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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #900 on: June 29, 2011, 04:40:31 AM »
Your replies are crystal clear, Premont, but this question was about Wilson and Leonhardt:

Sorry I got you wrong, because I did not read the former posts before answering, and perhaps also because I did not in my wildest fantasies suppose, that you meant to ask me if I think Wilson and Leonhardt should be avoided.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #901 on: June 29, 2011, 09:48:45 AM »
Sorry I got you wrong, because I did not read the former posts before answering, and perhaps also because I did not in my wildest fantasies suppose, that you meant to ask me if I think Wilson and Leonhardt should be avoided.

Yes, it was exactly my reaction when I did read: "No unanimity on my part" on your Reply #893.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #902 on: June 29, 2011, 08:25:54 PM »
No, I do not think Watchorn´s book I should be avoided - and certainly not by a completist. But it is too leaden and special to deserve the rank of a first choice...

BTW, I emphatically disagree about this, but I prefer to listen to again this Bk. 1 before posting any more detailed comment. I have not listened to Watchorn's WTC for some months, but I recall his Bk. 1 as deeply musical, with a wide range of affetti superbly expressed, well recorded on a beautiful instrument and with a very pleasant use of Lehman's tuning. 

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #903 on: July 01, 2011, 07:03:54 AM »
Yes, it was exactly my reaction when I did read: "No unanimity on my part" on your Reply #893.

My fault. :-[ I misinterpreted the word unanimity, thinking it meant un-animity (disagreement) instead of un(a)-animity (agreement).
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #904 on: July 01, 2011, 07:05:30 AM »
... I prefer to listen to again this Bk. 1 before posting any more detailed comment...

So do I.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #905 on: July 12, 2011, 01:15:46 PM »
For 5 bones, could not resist getting this set:


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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #906 on: July 12, 2011, 01:17:30 PM »
For 5 bones, could not resist getting this set:

I just hope they weren't yours! The bones I mean!  ;D
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #907 on: July 12, 2011, 01:19:52 PM »
I just hope they weren't yours! The bones I mean!  ;D

May just be worth the real ones....I'll let you know. :)

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #908 on: July 20, 2011, 12:20:38 PM »
A bit late I realize, but I'm currently listening to Gieseking's WTC, Book 1.  I was catching up on this thread and saw it mentioned, and then remembered that I had found a copy at my library last year and ripped it to MP3 along with a bunch of other stuff. 

Overall this is better than I was expecting -- after one spin it's not breaking in among my favorites by any stretch, but I'm glad I've finally given it a listen.  It has lousy sound quality (most likely due to excessive noise reduction, as I think George mentioned), and his speeds are a bit fast for me at times, although not universally so (I'm hearing BWV 849 now, and it's rather leisurely). 
 
 



By the by, there also seems to be another Gieseking WTC out now, recorded for Saar Radio according to Amazon...

The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #909 on: July 22, 2011, 02:20:24 PM »
A bit late I realize, but I'm currently listening to Gieseking's WTC, Book 1.  I was catching up on this thread and saw it mentioned, and then remembered that I had found a copy at my library last year and ripped it to MP3 along with a bunch of other stuff. 

Overall this is better than I was expecting --

Unfortunately, I was very disappointed in the Gieseking set.  Yes, the sound is poor, but I think Gieseking does nothing to rise above it.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #910 on: July 22, 2011, 08:56:12 PM »
For 5 bones, could not resist getting this set:



Part of the problem there, for me, is that it's quite closely miked and for me that almost kills the music making -- it makes her instrument sound too powerful. All her later harpsichord recordings are like this and for me they are awful to listen to. The Playel she used was a quiet instrument and I guess her producers thought that the public demanded something more in your face. Interpretively the WTC is very interesting and she has a tremendous rhythmic facility. But if you want to hear her at her best you need to go to earlier recordings -- the first A minor English suite (not the second), the Rameau E minor suite. for example.

Still  she is a genius and I'm glad to have her WTC


By the by, there also seems to be another Gieseking WTC out now, recorded for Saar Radio according to Amazon...


I think they are the same performance. Gieseking was on a performance treadmill after the war and some of his records show this.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #911 on: November 22, 2011, 10:41:46 AM »
I acquired this set about 2 weeks ago.  I'm finding it very rewarding although I'm not sold yet on how she plays Bach's "dark" pieces.



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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #912 on: February 07, 2012, 07:17:06 AM »
Beyond Robert Levin's are there recordings of the pairs from the WTK -- one, two, many or the whole lot -- played on an organ?


EDIT: All right, I see that Lagacé and one Frederic Desenclos are mentioned already in this thread. If there are others, please let me know. :)
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #913 on: February 07, 2012, 07:44:33 AM »
Beyond Robert Levin's are there recordings of the pairs from the WTK -- one, two, many or the whole lot -- played on an organ?

Yes, the whole shebang here:



Extra info and samples: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Das-Wohltemperierte-Klavier-1-2/hnum/7556747

The complete WTC also was recorded by Bernard Lagacé on Analekta (1965 Rudolph von Beckerath organ at the Église Immaculée-Conception, Montreal), as invividual CDs and as a part of his integral recording of Bach's organ works.

Daniel Chorzempa also recorded the two books using different instruments (harpsichord, organ, clavichord & fortepiano), as Levin, but his complete set is sadly OOP.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #914 on: February 07, 2012, 10:02:35 AM »
Yes, the whole shebang here:



Extra info and samples: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Das-Wohltemperierte-Klavier-1-2/hnum/7556747

The complete WTC also was recorded by Bernard Lagacé on Analekta (1965 Rudolph von Beckerath organ at the Église Immaculée-Conception, Montreal), as invividual CDs and as a part of his integral recording of Bach's organ works.

Daniel Chorzempa also recorded the two books using different instruments (harpsichord, organ, clavichord & fortepiano), as Levin, but his complete set is sadly OOP.

 :)

There is another (or third) version af WTC book II by Christoph Bossert:

Johann Sebastian Bach: Das wohltemperierte Clavier, 2. Teil
24 Präludien und Fugen BWV 870–893
Christoph Bossert, Orgel. Aufgenommen 1998 an der Ehrlich-Orgel der Evangelischen Stadtkirche zu Bad Wimpfen (Deutschland). Ars Musici 1257-2. 3 CD.


It is about five years since I last listened to it. Compared to Desenclos I remember Bossert as being a bit unimaginative, - or maybe I did not listen enough to his interpretation  ;).

http://www.amazon.de/Das-Wohltemperierte-Clavier-Christoph-Bossert/dp/B000023ZTA/ref=sr_1_256?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1328638575&sr=1-256
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #915 on: February 07, 2012, 10:07:53 AM »
Thanks, gentlemen.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #916 on: February 07, 2012, 11:18:50 AM »
Now that Schornsheim's WTC has been out for a bit, I'm curious to know what the general consensus on the recording is.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #917 on: February 07, 2012, 11:57:28 AM »
There is another (or third) version af WTC book II by Christoph Bossert:

Johann Sebastian Bach: Das wohltemperierte Clavier, 2. Teil
24 Präludien und Fugen BWV 870–893
Christoph Bossert, Orgel. Aufgenommen 1998 an der Ehrlich-Orgel der Evangelischen Stadtkirche zu Bad Wimpfen (Deutschland). Ars Musici 1257-2. 3 CD.


It is about five years since I last listened to it. Compared to Desenclos I remember Bossert as being a bit unimaginative, - or maybe I did not listen enough to his interpretation ;).

http://www.amazon.de/Das-Wohltemperierte-Clavier-Christoph-Bossert/dp/B000023ZTA/ref=sr_1_256?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1328638575&sr=1-256

Yes, who knows, maybe he was interesting, but you weren't interested. ;D

Just for the record: Joseph Payne also plays some multi-instrumental proto-WTC in his recording of the Clavier-Büchlein für Wilhelm Friedemann Bach. But there just one of the eleven Praeludium is played on organ, the others on harpsichord and clavichord.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #918 on: February 07, 2012, 01:42:02 PM »


I'm continually returning to Egarr's account of WTC book 2. It's making me love Book 2, whereas before I only respected it. I've never heard any Bach like Egarr's book 1 and 2. Incredible.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #919 on: February 07, 2012, 02:07:42 PM »
Yes, who knows, maybe he was interesting, but you weren't interested. ;D

Wonder if I get the time to listen to it again. There is too much else waiting for me to listen to.

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Just for the record: Joseph Payne also plays some multi-instrumental proto-WTC in his recording of the Clavier-Büchlein für Wilhelm Friedemann Bach. But there just one of the eleven Praeludium is played on organ, the others on harpsichord and clavichord.

One more: I used to own a recording (on LP) by Anthony Newman of book II, where he used organ, harpsichord and clavichord. However I parted with it, as I could not stand his superficial style in the long run.
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