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Re: Xenakis's Xen THE THREE
« Reply #640 on: April 20, 2017, 06:10:32 PM »
Wait... Whaaat?

Of course there's only "one" 'Cendrees', the old Erato LP that is the viddie you're watching... I thought you'd heard it already? It's the only recording.

Yes, I didn't realize there was only one recording (which of course, I've got). But I did figure it out when they sounded EXACTLY the same, to what I've got  :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Xenakis's Xen THE THREE
« Reply #641 on: April 20, 2017, 06:18:23 PM »
Yes, I didn't realize there was only one recording (which of course, I've got). But I did figure it out when they sounded EXACTLY the same, to what I've got  :laugh: :laugh:

the big Xenakis boner fade :laugh:... yea, I've had that happen a few times :laugh:

You've heard the 'Xenakis in New York' CD? WOW- the actual worst recording in the history of music, but absolutely essential for the works contained. Oh how I wish 'Kai' and 'Kulieen'(?) had Boulez recordings.

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Re: Xenakis's Xen THE THREE
« Reply #642 on: April 20, 2017, 06:22:50 PM »
the big Xenakis boner fade :laugh:... yea, I've had that happen a few times :laugh:

You've heard the 'Xenakis in New York' CD? WOW- the actual worst recording in the history of music, but absolutely essential for the works contained. Oh how I wish 'Kai' and 'Kulieen'(?) had Boulez recordings.

still haven't made it out of my Igor/Craft brambles... coming soon...

Yes I've come across that CD once, it was one of the strangest moments in my life. Just look at the cover alone, lol:




 ??? ??? :-[ :-[ :blank: :blank: I repeat,  ??? ??? ??? ???



Btw, I lovey love the middle part of Cendrees with the flute solo that transitions into a Phlegra-esque wind section  ;D ;D
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Re: Xenakis's Xen THE THREE
« Reply #643 on: April 22, 2017, 06:34:25 AM »
Yes I've come across that CD once, it was one of the strangest moments in my life. Just look at the cover alone, lol:




 ??? ??? :-[ :-[ :blank: :blank: I repeat,  ??? ??? ??? ???



Btw, I lovey love the middle part of Cendrees with the flute solo that transitions into a Phlegra-esque wind section  ;D ;D


OH, THAT COVER :o ??? :o ???

he looks like... silly... Bornstein probably put him up to it.- standing in that window... oy vey!!


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Re: Xenakis's Xen ANTIKHTHON
« Reply #644 on: April 22, 2017, 09:51:11 AM »
Antikhthon

Yea, it's loud as fuuuu...

I've got a slight temple throb this morning, so... I was able to handle it... you really have to pay attention, some things just come and go, like those gyroscopic sounding up and down glisses in the strings- so I could "hear" the ballet action there...
it's quite the regimented piece, though... I've always maintained it's his simplest... well, don't want to say that,... but, along with 'Akrata', it's almost spare... but not...

I dunno, I find it unique in a way for him... this was the last work before he "matured" with 'Cendrees' and 'Evryali', into the 70s... 'Antikhthon' in my mind is the very last of the 60s works.- as evidenced by being on the Howarth album...


I hear the Sravinskian organizational principle at work, tho...


oh, it was just too loud for me today :(.. yea, I'm bein a puss :laugh:
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Re: Xenakis's Xen THE stravinsky influence
« Reply #645 on: May 09, 2017, 01:11:13 PM »
Yes, I didn't realize there was only one recording (which of course, I've got). But I did figure it out when they sounded EXACTLY the same, to what I've got  :laugh: :laugh:

Do you realize that almost all of Xenakis's late Percussion Music can be traced to the very last "drum roll" of 'Historie du Soldat'? Check it out, that whole piece is full of pre-Xenakis rolls. I'd say that 'O-MEGA's ending is based on '...Soldat'.



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Re: Xenakis's Xen THE stravinsky influence
« Reply #646 on: May 12, 2017, 07:04:39 PM »
Do you realize that almost all of Xenakis's late Percussion Music can be traced to the very last "drum roll" of 'Historie du Soldat'? Check it out, that whole piece is full of pre-Xenakis rolls. I'd say that 'O-MEGA's ending is based on '...Soldat'.

I definitely know what you mean and agree. One of my favorite Stravinsky pieces too btw  ;D

Don't forget Bartok too, who has pre-IX fragments scattered throughout works of all of his periods. Stravinksy though is obviously more directly connected to the ritualistic primitivism found in many of Xenakis' works, Bartok is still a huge thing.
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ANTIKHTHON
« Reply #647 on: May 12, 2017, 07:18:19 PM »
Antikhthon

Yea, it's loud as fuuuu...

I've got a slight temple throb this morning, so... I was able to handle it... you really have to pay attention, some things just come and go, like those gyroscopic sounding up and down glisses in the strings- so I could "hear" the ballet action there...
it's quite the regimented piece, though... I've always maintained it's his simplest... well, don't want to say that,... but, along with 'Akrata', it's almost spare... but not...

I dunno, I find it unique in a way for him... this was the last work before he "matured" with 'Cendrees' and 'Evryali', into the 70s... 'Antikhthon' in my mind is the very last of the 60s works.- as evidenced by being on the Howarth album...


I hear the Sravinskian organizational principle at work, tho...


oh, it was just too loud for me today :(.. yea, I'm bein a puss :laugh:

Hard for me to say, considering he wrote Orestia (well the bulk of the initial version) and Kraanerg first, as they are highly structured in segments and have an overwhelming theatrical presence.

The notion of continuity and discontinuity was frequently stated by Iannis throughout his whole career but I think by the time of Antikhithon, the compositions show a far more obvious use of contrasts (aka the famous Stravinskian block form).

Still, it took till the mid 70s till melodic phrases and the more harmonic use of pitch-collections (sieves) (in the more traditional use of the word) and the Bartokian emphasis on rhythm was fully established as his new more mature norm.


I also haven't been listening to much Xenakis in past weeks, my interests have tended to be outside of classical music lately.
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #648 on: May 14, 2017, 07:06:42 PM »
Snyprrr Have you read this?  :D




Great read, I've been going through it (even though my listening has been different lately), worth the read if you haven't. Not too much musical analysis/complexities, so it's easy to understand. It literally is a long conversation with him, he talks about lots of cool stuff (both personal and musical), fuck I love him  ;D
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Re: ANTIKHTHON
« Reply #649 on: May 15, 2017, 09:51:05 AM »
my interests have tended to be outside of classical music lately.

i'm m.i.a. too :(... you did hear about the iggy relic i was bequeathed? i promise pics soon... yea, i'm having an experience lately, is it the culmination of all things??? :o



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Re: ANTIKHTHON
« Reply #650 on: May 15, 2017, 10:33:17 AM »
i'm m.i.a. too :(... you did hear about the iggy relic i was bequeathed?

WHAT?!  IGGY POP died?!

I didn't even know he was sick! 0:)
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Re: ANTIKHTHON
« Reply #651 on: May 16, 2017, 10:57:29 PM »
i'm m.i.a. too :(... you did hear about the iggy relic i was bequeathed? i promise pics soon... yea, i'm having an experience lately, is it the culmination of all things??? :o



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No I haven't heard about your IS find, I'll go searching.


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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #652 on: May 17, 2017, 09:46:31 PM »
Snyprrr, you read Formalized Music?

I've always had a handy pdf copy of it with me on my computer & phone but I just got the physical book, it's wonderful (even if I don't understand the mathematics i :laugh: )
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Re: ANTIKHTHON
« Reply #653 on: May 17, 2017, 09:47:08 PM »
WHAT?!  IGGY POP died?!

I didn't even know he was sick! 0:)

I thought he died in the 80s  :laugh:
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #654 on: May 22, 2017, 07:09:31 PM »
Been listening to:.....

Noomena
Analogique A + B
Jalons
Khoai
Medea Sencae (got the score)
Dmaathen (got the score)
Voile

..lately on repeat, very great pieces. I've always been a big fan of Jalons and Dmaathen. Noomena was one of my favorite orchestral works when I got Volume one of the Timpani series at first. It has a certain grandness that comes off better on a stereo (which I don't have access to this year  :-[ )


Where the F*** are you Snyprrr?  :-\  :(
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #655 on: May 22, 2017, 07:56:34 PM »
Alien I am curious to know if you have analysed much Xenakis and if you could tell us about that, seeing that you are the Xenakis expert here. ^_^

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #656 on: May 22, 2017, 08:00:05 PM »
(even if I don't understand the mathematics i :laugh: )

In this interview he explains pretty straightforwardly his "probability approach" to composition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4nj2nklbts

Probably you already know that, but, in any case, I leave it as an addition to this Xen.  :)

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #657 on: May 22, 2017, 08:28:23 PM »
Alien I am curious to know if you have analysed much Xenakis and if you could tell us about that, seeing that you are the Xenakis expert here. ^_^

I haven't analysed it academically and I have no need to or deep clinical knowledge of (well with the early works it's formed around the notion of architectural shapes forming blocks, which are contrasted several times) BUT I know it how it functions from a musical and systematic way.

This will be a long post if you want me to break down all the ins and outs of his style, there are three periods where his style went through quite a few changes and took different premises with his works.


With the academic stuff, it's like Schoenberg or Webern in the way that I don't give a shit about tone rows and the analytical aspect of the way they are constructed, that aren't visible on the surface.
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #658 on: May 22, 2017, 08:37:03 PM »
Been listening to:.....

Noomena
Analogique A + B
Jalons
Khoai
Medea Sencae (got the score)
Dmaathen (got the score)
Voile


btw, all 7 of these pieces all are a good example of how his approach often changes piece to piece, they're all significantly different to eachother



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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #659 on: May 22, 2017, 08:40:05 PM »
Thanks so much Alien. It would be really interesting to hear about his works from your informed understanding of them.

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