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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1420 on: September 06, 2016, 08:04:46 PM »
I've been falling in love all over again with Стальной скок (Le pas d’acier).

Certainly an easy thing to do when music is this good. One of my favorite ballets.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1421 on: January 24, 2017, 05:21:41 AM »
And this picks up just where we left off . . .

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I haven’t been reporting it, but some time every day for a week my ears have been living with this recording:

Сергей Сергеевич [ Sergei Sergeyevich (Prokofiev) ]
«Стальной скок», соч. 41 [ Le pas d’acier, Opus 41 ] (1925-26)
«Блудный сын», соч. 46 [ L’enfant prodigue, Opus 46 ] (1928-29)
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I have long been known here at GMG as a great fan of the Op.64, and that is unchangeable.  But what has changed is, I am come to the opinion that these two earlier ballets, musically, are in no way secondary to R & J.

As for narrative, the parable from the Gospel is as rich as the Shakespeare, in its scale;  the Step, well, so the story is not of the highest plane . . . boy-meets-girl-and-they-find-happiness-doing-their-part-for-the-5-year-plan . . . but what the four-number Suite from the Op.41 misses is many of the tender emotional notes which modulate the Modern Times mechanism which come first to mind.

This may sound a bit on the strange side, but I have been finding Le pas d’acier increasingly subtle with each listening.  (Which comes back to the question of listening to the full ballet rather than the brashness-heavy Suite, a brashness exaggerated, if anything, by the rushed tempi of, e.g., the Järvi recording, which do the music substantial disservice.)
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1422 on: January 24, 2017, 05:22:06 AM »
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Сергей Сергеевич [ Sergei Sergeyevich (Prokofiev) ]
«Стальной скок», симфоническая сюита из балета в 4 частях, соч. 41bis [ Suite from Le pas d’acier, Opus 41bis ] (1926)
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(Järvi & I have a bit of a history, so factor that into this tiff, if you like.)

This CD was my first encounter with Le pas d’acier;  I had just read Harlow Robinson’s biography of the composer (and was not yet aware of the degree to which a grain of salt was necessary in reading that bio), and I was keen to hear The Music Itself, even if only the Suite.  This recording was first issued in 1989, so it was fairly fresh when I listened to it in Rochester, NY, lo these long years ago, nor was I yet aware of how mixed Järvi’s Prokofiev recordings were, as he and Chandos were in a rush to get Prokofiev product out for the centenary (1991).

So:  listening to the Suite on this disc (in, I shall guess at this remove in time, 1990) was an epic let-down.  Listening to it again today, I might come close to discerning the why.  The combination of tubby sound, and taking intricately busy music a few clicks too fast, makes for muddle instead of music (you see what I did there).  Especially now, familiar as I am with the Rozhdestvensky & Jurowski recordings of the full ballet, Järvi’s tempi are insensitive, even indecent.  The conductor is showing off, he is showing off the band, too (a fine outfit);  it is only the composer and the music which suffer.

So, you understand that when I write:

This may sound a bit on the strange side, but I have been finding Le pas d’acier increasingly subtle with each listening.

. . . this is a long-term rehabilitation of the piece in my ear, redressing an injustice perpetrated by the Järvi recording.

Good God, this disc is a turkey (only half-kidding).

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1423 on: January 24, 2017, 05:33:56 AM »
Parenthetically, Harlow Robinson remains a fixture in Boston academia, and furnished program notes for the Op.25 in this past weekend’s BSO concerts.  Of course, with the “Classical” Symphony, there is not much damage his prejudices can do  8)
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1424 on: January 24, 2017, 08:13:07 AM »
Parenthetically, Harlow Robinson remains a fixture in Boston academia, and furnished program notes for the Op.25 in this past weekend’s BSO concerts.  Of course, with the “Classical” Symphony, there is not much damage his prejudices can do  8)

As a Russophile, what's your opinion of Richard Taruskin?
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1425 on: May 18, 2017, 03:31:21 AM »
I'm communing with Sergei today; time for all seven symphonies, barring interruptions. Don't call me. Unless there's an emergency (eg: someone has found a recording of his first wife, Leni).



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2292785/How-singer-Lina-Prokofiev-gave-dreams-success-losing-husband-liberty.html

A profoundly touching story, the most color I've read on Lina's ordeal after the composer (one hopes, more out of deer-in-the-headlamps naïveté than genuine caddishness) abandoned her.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1426 on: May 18, 2017, 03:32:10 AM »
As a Russophile, what's your opinion of Richard Taruskin?

Oh, I see I have neglected your question, Ben.  Let me mull.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1427 on: May 18, 2017, 05:11:51 AM »
Oh, I see I have neglected your question, Ben.  Let me mull.

I'm still interested in the answer, so that doesn't count as too late at all!
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon BEST NON-SONATA Piano Music????
« Reply #1428 on: June 19, 2017, 05:36:56 PM »
What can you recommend of the non-Sonata Piano Music? I used to have 'Visions Fugitives' (Mustonen), but don't recall how I liked the music..I just want some mind blowing, scintillating, magical, everything...

I like his 'Gothic' sounding Piano Concertos 1-2, singularly. 3 and 5 I find to Hollywood for me. No.4 is but quirky and interesting, and over.

Yes, Stravinsky has somewhat buried Prokofiev for me- Prokofiev can supplement IS with certain works, but, there is too much of the rush to Conservatism, whereas IS went boldly into the future...
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1429 on: June 20, 2017, 04:21:50 AM »
What can you recommend of the non-Sonata Piano Music? I used to have 'Visions Fugitives' (Mustonen), but don't recall how I liked the music..I just want some mind blowing, scintillating, magical, everything...

There is the obvious . . .

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/i6AhHBu_A_U" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/i6AhHBu_A_U</a>

I should also recommend the five Sarcasms Op.17, and the pair of Choses en soi, Op.45.  And, do revisit the Visions fugitives . . . I mean, we don’t know why you are drawing a blank  8)
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1430 on: June 20, 2017, 05:19:39 AM »
I'd like to make another obvious suggestion...
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3DX8uKqaRfU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3DX8uKqaRfU</a>
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1431 on: June 20, 2017, 05:55:49 AM »
There is the obvious . . .

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/i6AhHBu_A_U" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/i6AhHBu_A_U</a>

I should also recommend the five Sarcasms Op.17, and the pair of Choses en soi, Op.45.  And, do revisit the Visions fugitives . . . I mean, we don’t know why you are drawing a blank  8)

I'd like to make another obvious suggestion...
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3DX8uKqaRfU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3DX8uKqaRfU</a>

Yeeea,... stuff like that! ;) ok....
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1432 on: June 20, 2017, 06:11:05 AM »
I'd like to make another obvious suggestion...
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3DX8uKqaRfU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3DX8uKqaRfU</a>

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1433 on: August 13, 2017, 03:19:23 AM »
Sometimes, having read about a piece beforehand interferes with the listening. (And, that has happened more than once for me, with Prokofiev's music.)

When at last I first listened to the Quintet, Op.39, probably there had been too much pre-listening build-up, and I was underwhelmed.

Listening to the piece again, this weekend, I appreciate it as one of his very finest chamber works;  wonderful colors and textures.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1434 on: August 13, 2017, 04:28:52 AM »
I'm not sure I've ever heard the Quintet Op. 39 - must fix that soon.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1435 on: August 13, 2017, 04:34:46 AM »
And, who knows?—it may well be that listening to the Weinberg quartets was part of the reorientation my ears wanted, the better to appreciate the Prokofiev Op.39.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1436 on: August 13, 2017, 07:08:58 AM »
Like Tennyson's unredeemed nature, primal love is "red in tooth and claw."

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1437 on: August 13, 2017, 07:12:04 AM »
Très cool!
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1438 on: January 07, 2018, 01:21:00 PM »
One thing I find quite strange is that there’s not some kind of Prokofiev Edition floating around somewhere. I mean surely UMG could muster up a box set?
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1439 on: January 07, 2018, 03:22:03 PM »
One thing I find quite strange is that there’s not some kind of Prokofiev Edition floating around somewhere. I mean surely UMG could muster up a box set?

Maybe Brilliant will take it on.