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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1480 on: January 10, 2018, 03:57:53 AM »
I heard it live in London as the other work was Miaskovsky's 6th Symphony (Jurowski) which was what I wanted to hear. The cellist broke a string in the middle of the work and had to disappear offstage. I'm not a great fan of the Symphony-Concerto either I'm sorry to say. The review of the concert by David Nice, of course, compared the brilliance of the Prokofiev work with the 'longuers' of the Miaskovsky which was exactly the opposite of my experience at the concert.

Very interesting!

To the Miaskovsky, I cannot speak.  I am alive to how a less-than-top-rate live experience can put one off even a great piece.

And, I'll repeat myself:  the Symphony-Concert is a great piece.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1481 on: January 10, 2018, 03:59:37 AM »
And, another excellent account of the Op.125 in this box:

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1482 on: January 10, 2018, 05:18:50 AM »
Very interesting!

To the Miaskovsky, I cannot speak.  I am alive to how a less-than-top-rate live experience can put one off even a great piece.

And, I'll repeat myself:  the Symphony-Concert is a great piece.

Ok thanks Karl - I will listen to it again on CD. You should investigate the Miaskovsky one day. He was a crucial link IMHO between the great Russian nationalist composers of the 19th Century, like Glazunov and RK and the great 20th century figures including his friend Prokofiev and Shostakovich.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1483 on: January 10, 2018, 05:35:46 AM »
I learnt that Miaskovsky and Prokofiev were great friends from Harlow Robinson's bio.  No doubt Miaskovsky was largely an unwitting tool, but he rather misled his friend on how great a deal returning to (what was now) the Soviet Union would be for him.

Of course, the person who really paid the price for that miscalculation, was Lina, poor woman.  So, overall, I am apt to entertain hard thoughts of Miaskovsky.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1484 on: January 10, 2018, 07:33:15 AM »
I learnt that Miaskovsky and Prokofiev were great friends from Harlow Robinson's bio.  No doubt Miaskovsky was largely an unwitting tool, but he rather misled his friend on how great a deal returning to (what was now) the Soviet Union would be for him.

Of course, the person who really paid the price for that miscalculation, was Lina, poor woman.  So, overall, I am apt to entertain hard thoughts of Miaskovsky.

Of course, we can’t put any kind of blame on Miaskovsky as he truly thought that good things were going to happen for Prokofiev. Remember the Soviets fooled a lot of people into believing it was something it never was.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1485 on: January 10, 2018, 09:54:12 AM »
Ivashkin, I tell you.  (And a cracking account of the d minor Symphony.)



I'll make sure to set aside some time today to listen to this, I promise! ;D Ivashkin is a very fine cellist if his recordings of Schnittke's cello works are anything to go by. And yes, that is a great account of the 2nd Symphony!

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1486 on: January 10, 2018, 12:34:26 PM »
Just listened to the Ivashkin/Polyansky recording of the Symphony-Concerto on Chandos. A fantastic performance, for sure, which has improved my opinion of the work. I still remain a bit unconvinced, though. There are several fine moments throughout, but the piece is simply too long and episodic, and lacks a clear and compelling narrative IMO. If the piece was 25 or 30 minutes long rather than 40 I would probably have a higher opinion of it.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1487 on: January 10, 2018, 01:00:48 PM »
Han-na Chang is also good.  And I'm interested in the Gebhardt on Hyperion, coupled with the original Cello Concerto.



Just listened to the Roatropovich/Sargent S-C for the first time in a long time.



I love this work! 

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1488 on: January 10, 2018, 04:27:34 PM »


Just listened to the Ivashkin/Polyansky recording of the Symphony-Concerto on Chandos. A fantastic performance, for sure, which has improved my opinion of the work. I still remain a bit unconvinced, though. There are several fine moments throughout, but the piece is simply too long and episodic, and lacks a clear and compelling narrative IMO. If the piece was 25 or 30 minutes long rather than 40 I would probably have a higher opinion of it.

Well, I shall be content at present with your much-improved estimation of the piece! Good sport

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1489 on: January 10, 2018, 10:36:39 PM »
Han-na Chang is also good.  And I'm interested in the Gebhardt on Hyperion, coupled with the original Cello Concerto.



Just listened to the Roatropovich/Sargent S-C for the first time in a long time.



I love this work!
That is also the best performance of the Miaskovsky Cello Concerto.
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