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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2008, 02:15:45 PM »
What are people's thoughts on the 1951 Knappertsbusch recording of Parsifal? I have heard great things about this one.


Very good. You'll have to live with the sound though, which isn't very good. Great singing, and to this day I wonder whether this really was the perfect tempo for the piece as a whole.

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2008, 04:41:29 PM »

Very good. You'll have to live with the sound though, which isn't very good. Great singing, and to this day I wonder whether this really was the perfect tempo for the piece as a whole.

Agreed, the cast is excellent. It is regrettable the orchestra isn't caught with more fullness and clarity - it would really add to the urgency of the performance (constraints of the technology).

I still favor the relatively quicker pace and fuller sound of Kna's 1962. Interestingly, Kna is a full twenty minutes longer in 1951.


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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2008, 01:47:14 AM »
I'm fond of the '51 recording, mainly because of the cast (I'm not hot on Jess Thomas).

Any thoughts here on Kna '54?



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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2008, 07:41:14 PM »
I can't speak to the '54 set, but I can speak to the issue of Jess Thomas. I'm not a fan. He's not bad, but he's clearly the one point to be discussed in an otherwise flawless set. To my mind, that issue is solved by the 1964 set, which has Jon Vickers' only Parsifal. The problem with '64 is that it's mono, which, then, presents one point to be discussed.

I'll say this, in my view, Knappertsbusch's 1964 represents the perfect storm: a perfect cast, a band that knew the material, a conductor with a solid grasp on the score, and the Festspielhaus acoustic. Knappertsbusch had 12 years to work on Parsifal on the Green Hill (Krauss had it in 1953), and, accordingly, at least in my mind, the '64 recording represents the high point. 

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2008, 09:01:08 PM »
Has anyone had an opportunity to hear Levine's Parsifal recording from Bayreuth? Any thoughts?



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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2008, 09:49:14 PM »
Has anyone had an opportunity to hear Levine's Parsifal recording from Bayreuth? Any thoughts?


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Quite possibly the worst recording (of anything) in my collection.

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2008, 05:54:51 AM »
The discs make great drink coasters.


Not a bad assessment.
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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2008, 06:38:39 AM »
Has anyone had an opportunity to hear Levine's Parsifal recording from Bayreuth? Any thoughts?





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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2008, 06:43:53 AM »
Has anyone had an opportunity to hear Levine's Parsifal recording from Bayreuth? Any thoughts?

Haven't listened to it yet. When I have, I'm not sure that my opinion will count  8)

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2008, 04:53:09 PM »
Own it but haven't listened to it yet: At my age, I'm not sure I have enough time left to make it through to the end anyway  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2008, 04:54:48 PM »
Haven't listened to it yet. When I have, I'm not sure that my opinion will count  8)

Oh, but I'm sure it'd be one heck of a review! ;D



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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2008, 04:59:20 PM »
Oh, but I'm sure it'd be one heck of a review! ;D







I'd be very interested as well.

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2008, 05:46:41 PM »
I'd be very interested as well.

A review from Karl would be interesting, no doubt...but I'm not sure it would be palatable to many Wagnerians. ;D



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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2008, 09:42:55 PM »
Own it but haven't listened to it yet: At my age, I'm not sure I have enough time left to make it through to the end anyway  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2008, 09:59:09 PM »
A review from Karl would be interesting, no doubt...but I'm not sure it would be palatable to many Wagnerians. ;D

Anyone who thinks of Wagner as 46th on the list of composers, I would think not. If one would grant him as one of the top ten Karl would think of him as nothing but another vulgar Wagnerian!

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2008, 04:05:17 AM »
....that is, if God is on YOUR side!

There are reasons for me to worry about that  ;D

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2008, 04:17:57 AM »
Oh, but I'm sure it'd be one heck of a review! ;D

You are all (well, most of you, anyway) kind!  ;)

I may give it a shot soon.

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2008, 04:19:15 AM »
Anyone who thinks of Wagner as 46th on the list of composers, I would think not. If one would grant him as one of the top ten Karl would think of him as nothing but another vulgar Wagnerian!

Oh, not at all;  many people whose musical opinion I very much respect, rank Wagner thus highly.

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2008, 04:47:49 AM »
My contribution to this thread will be very slight.

I just realised yesterday that Wagner quotes the beautiful opening/close of the first movement of Mendelssohn's 'Reformation' Symphony (No. 5) in Parsifal. Forgive me, but not being an opera buff, I forget in which part. :-[ I'll have to look it up and report back.

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Re: Wagner's Parsifal
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2008, 05:53:35 AM »
My contribution to this thread will be very slight.

I just realised yesterday that Wagner quotes the beautiful opening/close of the first movement of Mendelssohn's 'Reformation' Symphony (No. 5) in Parsifal. Forgive me, but not being an opera buff, I forget in which part. :-[ I'll have to look it up and report back.

Actually, both Mendelssohn and Wagner are quoting the famous "Dresden Amen":  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_amen
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