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Offline Lethevich

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36540 on: December 06, 2008, 08:11:06 AM »
This is VERY interesting!! I had dismissed Nordgren as too much of a 'modernist' for my tastes but on what basis or what evidence I am blowed if I can remember ;D

Can you help me at all by comparing his music to that by any other composer-either Finnish or another nationality?  Thanks.

I really suck at this sort of thing, so I figure sounds may be better than words - this is the first movement of the 3rd. It IS atypical in its almost tonality/post-romanticism, but isn't out of place amongst the other movements either. I am not greatly familiar with the music of these countries, but at a stretch it could perhaps be said to resemble Pettersson by way of minimalist period Górecki, although a little more ritualistic and less traditionally tonal in sound. Here is the finale, which sounds a bit like like Pettersson paying a visit to Xenakis's house in the heavy use of militaristic drumming, tortured brass, several "unmusical" dissonances that Pettersson generally would not use*, and overall atmosphere of oppression. I find the ending quite satisfying too.

*Pettersson seems relatively single-minded in his use of dissonance to indicate struggle or oppression, and to build them on top of and integrate them into a basically tonal (but emotionally dark) structure. This Nordgren symphony uses dissonance it in a slightly more abstract manner, as well as percussion being used during the relatively serene moments that Pettersson would use to go all-out Romantic (soaring strings, woodwind solos, etc) in (the percussion is one area where Nordgren's Japanese influences do show through occasionally). The general Nordgren atmosphere is more ambiguous, despite occasional explosions.

Edit: This is all, of course, probably wrong - which is why I included the samples :D
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36541 on: December 06, 2008, 09:51:01 AM »
Those Nordgren covers alone would be enough to get me to explore his music.  I don't think I've heard any of his work. 

You are such a judge-a-book-by-its-cover guy, Bruce;D

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36542 on: December 06, 2008, 09:53:15 AM »
 :)

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36543 on: December 06, 2008, 10:08:38 AM »
I really suck at this sort of thing, so I figure sounds may be better than words - this is the first movement of the 3rd. It IS atypical in its almost tonality/post-romanticism, but isn't out of place amongst the other movements either. I am not greatly familiar with the music of these countries, but at a stretch it could perhaps be said to resemble Pettersson by way of minimalist period Górecki, although a little more ritualistic and less traditionally tonal in sound. Here is the finale, which sounds a bit like like Pettersson paying a visit to Xenakis's house in the heavy use of militaristic drumming, tortured brass, several "unmusical" dissonances that Pettersson generally would not use*, and overall atmosphere of oppression. I find the ending quite satisfying too.

*Pettersson seems relatively single-minded in his use of dissonance to indicate struggle or oppression, and to build them on top of and integrate them into a basically tonal (but emotionally dark) structure. This Nordgren symphony uses dissonance it in a slightly more abstract manner, as well as percussion being used during the relatively serene moments that Pettersson would use to go all-out Romantic (soaring strings, woodwind solos, etc) in (the percussion is one area where Nordgren's Japanese influences do show through occasionally). The general Nordgren atmosphere is more ambiguous, despite occasional explosions.

Edit: This is all, of course, probably wrong - which is why I included the samples :D

Thank you very much for all this! :) I shall listen with great interest and get back to you ;D I am currently on a Peter Mennin binge-quite a lot of dissonance here too-in order to tackle Karl's comparison of Mennin with Pettersson ;D

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36544 on: December 06, 2008, 10:10:43 AM »
Thank you very much for all this! :) I shall listen with great interest and get back to you ;D I am currently on a Peter Mennin binge-quite a lot of dissonance here too-in order to tackle Karl's comparison of Mennin with Pettersson ;D

Who's this Mennin fellow? Is there a composer one can compare to Pettersson????????????????????????????? ;D
What a sad notion! :o

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36545 on: December 06, 2008, 10:14:06 AM »
Not sad, mijn vriend; Mennin is better overall, I am feeling.

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36546 on: December 06, 2008, 10:17:56 AM »
Not sad, mijn vriend; Mennin is better overall, I am feeling.

Well well, really, gosh, now I have to check that out.
Could you give me some direction where to look for recordings of his Symphonies.

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36547 on: December 06, 2008, 10:27:02 AM »
Well well, really, gosh, now I have to check that out.
Could you give me some direction where to look for recordings of his Symphonies.

Not an easy matter;  I am not sure that all his symphonies have been recorded . . . wonder what Alun Francis is doing nowadays?  8)

I have this recording of the Fifth & Sixth Symphonies, and the Concertato, "Moby-Dick", which I think very good.

My favorite Mennin so far is the Symphony No. 7 (Variation Symphony), available from nwcri.

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36548 on: December 06, 2008, 10:30:12 AM »
Well well, really, gosh, now I have to check that out.
Could you give me some direction where to look for recordings of his Symphonies.

My dear Harry, I started a thread about Peter Mennin in the Composers' Forum. In that thread I listed all the cd versions of Mennin's symphonies!

Go visit ;D

but to assist you-

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,8478.0.html
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36549 on: December 06, 2008, 10:35:48 AM »
My dear Harry, I started a thread about Peter Mennin in the Composers' Forum. In that thread I listed all the cd versions of Mennin's symphonies!

Go visit ;D

but to assist you-

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,8478.0.html

Thankee! ;D

Harry

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36550 on: December 06, 2008, 10:36:13 AM »
Not an easy matter;  I am not sure that all his symphonies have been recorded . . . wonder what Alun Francis is doing nowadays?  8)

I have this recording of the Fifth & Sixth Symphonies, and the Concertato, "Moby-Dick", which I think very good.

My favorite Mennin so far is the Symphony No. 7 (Variation Symphony), available from nwcri.

I will act on that Karl, thank you!

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36551 on: December 06, 2008, 11:22:50 AM »
Joseph Jongen (1873-1953) String Quartets op. 7 & 50, Gong Quartet

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36552 on: December 06, 2008, 12:00:29 PM »
Doing some re-listening of several recent purchases this afternoon:

Bonis, Mel(anie) (1858-1937) - Piano Quartets w/ the Mozart Piano Quartet; ordered a disc of her flute works recently - should be on the way!

Dussek, Jan (1760-1812) - Piano Sonatas, Op. 77 & 9;1-3 w/ Markus Becker -  :D

 

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36553 on: December 06, 2008, 12:18:29 PM »
Played it for the first time, and that was quite a adventure, I tell you, wonderful stuff!

Harry

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36554 on: December 06, 2008, 12:19:27 PM »
And this is also a wonderful discovery!

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36555 on: December 06, 2008, 02:37:27 PM »
Played it for the first time, and that was quite a adventure, I tell you, wonderful stuff!

You see, Harry, we CAN agree ;D  A much better work than some recent reviews have indicated!

(I am sure that we do agree most of the time :))

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36556 on: December 06, 2008, 03:17:27 PM »
And this is also a wonderful discovery!

Harry - I've never heard of this Bulgarian composer! And w/ a first name of Pancho, sounds like a relative of a Mexican bandito of the early 20th century; but I was just reviewing his Wiki Bio, which is quite impressive - I've added this disc to my 'wish list' and hope that you and/or others might recommend some other of his works, e.g. any chamber or orchestral compositions of interest?  Thanks, as always -  :D

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36557 on: December 06, 2008, 03:29:04 PM »
Harry - I've never heard of this Bulgarian composer! And w/ a first name of Pancho, sounds like a relative of a Mexican bandito of the early 20th century; but I was just reviewing his Wiki Bio, which is quite impressive - I've added this disc to my 'wish list' and hope that you and/or others might recommend some other of his works, e.g. any chamber or orchestral compositions of interest?  Thanks, as always -  :D

May I assist by recommending this CPO disc of the Bulgarian Dances, the Bulgarian Rhapsody "Vardar" and the Traumspielsuite- all rich, colourful works played with great enthusiasm.

I should have added that Vladigerov was the Bulgarian Enescu but without the genius! Still...five piano concertos, two violin concertos, symphonies ;D
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36558 on: December 06, 2008, 03:38:59 PM »
May I assist by recommending this CPO disc of the Bulgarian Dances, the Bulgarian Rhapsody "Vardar" and the Traumspielsuite- all rich, colourful works played with great enthusiasm.

Boy, that's service w/ a smile -  ;D  Thanks - those were the very works that interested me from reading the Wiki article on this composer - guess that I'll be ordering 2 CDs!

Dinner music for us tonight - some wonderful clarinet music w/ Thea King on the budget Helios label (just $5 each from BRO):

Stanford, Charles & Finzi, Gerald - Clarinet Concertos w/ Alun Francis - in the Fanfare 'Hall of Fame'!

Tausch, Franz (1762-1817) - Concertos for Two Clarinets - King + Nicholas Bucknall w/ Hager & the English Chamber Orch -  :D

 

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #36559 on: December 06, 2008, 03:42:38 PM »
Janáček
Sinfonietta
LSO
Abbado


First movement is a little deliberate, a little 'solemn';  still, an excellent performance.