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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4300 on: October 10, 2019, 11:03:45 PM »
Listened to this last night with much pleasure. I've never heard of Mason Bates, who is apparently a DJ turned classical composer. I enjoyed his work and will look out to more of his music. Both works are united by settings of Walt Whitman. At first I thought the VW sounded a bit underpowered but I increasingly enjoyed it and was as moved by the end as after any other performance:

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4301 on: October 12, 2019, 02:07:53 AM »
VW's 147th birthday today:
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« Reply #4302 on: October 12, 2019, 11:20:46 AM »
Thanks for the reminder, Vandermolen.  I think I will listen to VW quite a bit today!  :)
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« Reply #4303 on: October 12, 2019, 03:26:43 PM »
Thanks for the reminder, Vandermolen.  I think I will listen to VW quite a bit today!  :)
Pleased to hear it  :)
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« Reply #4304 on: October 13, 2019, 02:58:16 AM »
VW's 147th birthday today:


Nice photo, Jeffrey. A statue of him resides at the entrance to Dorking Halls. As you know he had quite an attachment to Dorking.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4305 on: October 13, 2019, 10:28:26 AM »
Nice photo, Jeffrey. A statue of him resides at the entrance to Dorking Halls. As you know he had quite an attachment to Dorking.



Thanks Lol. I have to say that I find the Dorking sculpture a bit nondescript as I  do of the one on the Chelsea Embankment, where the composer lived at the early part of the last century. Neither of those were modelled from life. By far the best in my opinion is the bust made by David McFall (pictured below) in the composer's presence, whilst he was composing his Ninth Symphony. VW kept very busy as he didn't want the young man (McFall) to see him 'slacking'. The resulting sculpture, I think, is very moving:



See info below as well:
http://www.davidmcfall.co.uk/page90.html
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« Reply #4306 on: October 14, 2019, 12:05:15 AM »
Thanks Lol. I have to say that I find the Dorking sculpture a bit nondescript as I  do of the one on the Chelsea Embankment, where the composer lived at the early part of the last century. Neither of those were modelled from life. By far the best in my opinion is the bust made by David McFall (pictured below) in the composer's presence, whilst he was composing his Ninth Symphony. VW kept very busy as he didn't want the young man (McFall) to see him 'slacking'. The resulting sculpture, I think, is very moving:



See info below as well:
http://www.davidmcfall.co.uk/page90.html

Fascinating! Thank you very much for link. I didn't realise the significance of the LP cover image of RVW on the World Record Club issue of Boult's Everest recording of the 9th Symphony. Looking on back in small letters it does say - The bust of Vaughan Williams is reproduced by permission of Mrs Vaughan Williams and the sculptor.

The familiar rat-a-tat of enemy machine-guns joined the melee. It was like an orchestra from hell, it’s tune being played out by the instruments of death. - The Sun Will Always Shine, John R McKay.

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« Reply #4307 on: October 14, 2019, 01:48:43 AM »
RVW's concerto for two pianos from Russia. Good!

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4308 on: October 14, 2019, 05:20:38 AM »
Fascinating! Thank you very much for link. I didn't realise the significance of the LP cover image of RVW on the World Record Club issue of Boult's Everest recording of the 9th Symphony. Looking on back in small letters it does say - The bust of Vaughan Williams is reproduced by permission of Mrs Vaughan Williams and the sculptor.


I bought that LP a few years ago just for the cover. It appears on Boult's EMI LP boxed set of the symphonies too - the first time I encountered the portrait and it encouraged me to a lifelong interest in sculpture. For years it was situated on one of the staircases at the Royal Festival Hall. I always went to visit it whenever I attended a concert there.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4309 on: October 14, 2019, 05:33:27 AM »
RVW's concerto for two pianos from Russia. Good!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/56nIkeXIzb0" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/56nIkeXIzb0</a>

What an extraordinary performance! They make it sound like Shostakovich. I only heard the first few minutes as I have to go out (to a concert in London) but I really look forward to hearing the rest of it. Was this all in one concert? Thanks so much for posting such an interesting video. Great to hear RVW in Russia, although there is, amazingly, a Melodiya boxed set of the symphonies with Rozhdestvensky conducting.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4310 on: October 14, 2019, 03:00:49 PM »
There is a wonderful version conducted by the composer which only came to light a few years ago:


Vandermolen,

I was so excited by your pointer (a few posts ago) so I went ahead and got a copy of the historical recording you recommended and I'm NOT regretting it a bit.

Vaughan Williams
Symphony No. 5
London PO/Vaughan Williams


Definitely a powerful and immersive reading. Very beautiful recording. The sound is a little bit historical, but one forgives it easily and the music dominates. Lovely! The sound engineers did a fantastic job on Dona Nobis Pacem. I would never have guessed that it originated from the late 1930s (in contrast to the #5 from the 50s).  I think I will listen to it again it later this evening.  Thanks for the recommendation, Vandermolen! A keeper for sure!

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4311 on: October 14, 2019, 03:01:53 PM »
I bought that LP a few years ago just for the cover. It appears on Boult's EMI LP boxed set of the symphonies too - the first time I encountered the portrait and it encouraged me to a lifelong interest in sculpture. For years it was situated on one of the staircases at the Royal Festival Hall. I always went to visit it whenever I attended a concert there.


Love how you got the LP just to get the cover!    ::)
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #4312 on: Today at 12:13:22 AM »
Vandermolen,

I was so excited by your pointer (a few posts ago) so I went ahead and got a copy of the historical recording you recommended and I'm NOT regretting it a bit.

Vaughan Williams
Symphony No. 5
London PO/Vaughan Williams


Definitely a powerful and immersive reading. Very beautiful recording. The sound is a little bit historical, but one forgives it easily and the music dominates. Lovely! The sound engineers did a fantastic job on Dona Nobis Pacem. I would never have guessed that it originated from the late 1930s (in contrast to the #5 from the 50s).  I think I will listen to it again it later this evening.  Thanks for the recommendation, Vandermolen! A keeper for sure!



Moonfish,

I'm delighted that you enjoyed it so much! It's a remarkable performance of both works and one of the few CDs or LPs that I have purchased for the musical content rather than for the cover image  8). Having said that I do rather like the cover photo of a benevolent looking VW. To be frank I actually prefer VW's recording of his Fifth Symphony more than the fabled recording of him conducting his Fourth Symphony, which everyone raves about but it just sounds rushed to me. In terms of historical recordings I much prefer the one by Mitropolous of Symphony No.4. You are right that DNP (Dona Nobis Pacem) is also an excellent performance. I wish that there were more recordings of him conducting his own works. I'd loved to have heard him conducting A London Symphony or Symphony No.6 for example.
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