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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 04:26:29 PM »
Well, there seems to be some interest in South American wines, meaning mainly those from Chile & Argentina - tonight, I've been enjoying the Norton 2004 Malbec Reserva - about $14 in the USA (have a few extras in the basement cellar) - rated 91 in the Wine Spectator; the Malbec grape is one of the 'lesser' blending varietals used in Bordeaux (of course, the two main grapes there are Cabernet Sauvignon & Merlot), along w/ Cabernet Franc, Malbec, & Petit Verdot; however, this particular grape in the Mendoza Vly of Argentina seems to emerge on its own as an excellent red wine - these are well priced & worth exploring.


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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2007, 05:31:17 PM »
Tonight w/ dinner (chicken) had a Geyser Peak 2005 Sauvignon Blanc - quite inexpensive (about $9 or so) and just a CA blend, but received an */87 rating in Connoisseurs' Guide to California Wine - my rating would be a B/B+, i.e. pleasant wine & good value - worth a try if you like this grape.

Sauvignon Blanc is one of the classic 'white grapes' - origins are in France - the 'white' wines of Bordeaux are typically a combination of this grape w/ Semillon, depending on the region (e.g. more SB in the 'dry' white wine areas vs. more Semillon in the 'sweet' wine areas, such as Sauternes and Barsac); the other important French region is the Loire Vly, esp. in the Sancerre & Pouilly Fume regions - these latter wines can be quite enjoyable - I love the better ones, but just can't get much of a selection in North Carolina.

Of course, this grape has been grown well in the New World - great examples are in California, Washington State, South America (esp. Chile in the Casablanca Vly), New Zealand; and in addition, Australia & South Africa (just had one of the latter the other day, about $12, and excellent!).  But I must say that my 'favorite' present Sauvignon Blanc wines are emerging from New Zealand - these are absolutely delicious wines at great prices (plus shipped in HUGE volumes at least to the USA); these NZ SBs are different - fresh, tart (like green apples), and refreshing (well chilled) - not much aging potential (plus, remember that harvest time is in the spring, so many are released in the fall of the same year, e.g. I'm buying to '06 currently).

So, give these Sauvignon Blancs a try - cheaper than often 'boring' Chardonnay, and the types of wines made are quite variable - enjoy -  :D


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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2007, 03:52:20 AM »
I'm not a wine drinker (of course) but when we were in France last week, coming home from skiing in the Alps, we stopped over in Beaune - the heart of Burgundy wine.

My parents went to the Marché au Vins to do some wine tasting. I was allowed to do some too (they're more lenient in France). The two nicest wines were:

Chassagne Montrachet 2003 - generally held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of white wines.

Clos Vougeot Grand Crut - an exquisite red.

I'm not sure of the exact prices but the Chassagne Montrachet was at least £60 (we didn't buy any!). It was the most interesting wine I've ever tasted, it acquired an almost honey like taste after a while.


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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2007, 04:14:36 AM »
So, give these Sauvignon Blancs a try - cheaper than often 'boring' Chardonnay, and the types of wines made are quite variable - enjoy -  :D

I've discussed Sauvignon Blanc with you on the old forum. My opinion hasn't changed: I still love these wines. When I'm "home" (Ohio), I always order this grape with my fish. Dry Creek is a favorite (consistently good, and consistently cheap) but I'll splurge too on a really great bottle if I see one on a wine list (Cakebread, for example).

We got lucky recently: a new wine shop opened up in town that stocks quite a few reasonably-priced but domaine bottled Sauvignons from Sancerre and Pouilly-Fumé (12 to 15 Euro). Really good bottles of white Bordeaux (my favorite) are still hard to come by. Mrs. Rock is especially fond of a wine we buy during our annual vacation to the Allier region of the Auvergne (just west of Burgundy):





It's a blend unique to this appellation: Sauvignon blanc, Chardonnay, and Tressallier (a grape indiginous to the region, I think). No oak. This is an absolutely wonderful food wine.

Some German vintners, trying to be trendy, have planted "foreign" varietals in recent years (Cabernet, Merlot, Syrah, Chardonnay and Sauvignon blanc). So far I haven't been impressed with any of the Sauvignons; the wine either insipid or bitter. Riesling has nothing to worry about here ;D

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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2007, 04:38:07 AM »
My parents went to the Marché au Vins to do some wine tasting. I was allowed to do some too (they're more lenient in France). The two nicest wines were:

Chassagne Montrachet 2003 - generally held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of white wines.

Clos Vougeot Grand Crut - an exquisite red.

Wow...you're off to a good start with your wine education, dude. Most of us started with Mateus and jugs of Lambrusco! I just fear you'll never be happy with anything less than Grand Cru again ;D

The Germans are more lenient about underage drinking too, especially at wine fests. The vintners kids learn about wine very early. This girl, aged nine or ten, I'd guess, was serving wine at a fest in the great Rheinhessen wine village of Nierstein. That's not unusual but I really had to smile when the guy with the beard complained that his wine was corked and the girl poured herself a glass, took a swallow, pursed her lips and took in air, swirled and spit like a professional before declaring that, yes, it was indeed corked. She opened a new bottle. (I love the second pic; the guy waiting for her judgment call.)







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« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 04:43:32 AM by Sergeant Rock »
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2007, 05:01:33 AM »
Great pictures, Sergeant Rock!

To be honest, I don't see much wrong with drinking wine at an early-ish age (provided it's done in sensible amounts).

I'm not sure about not being happy with anything less than Grand Cru but it certainly makes a difference. People seem to think that expensive wine isn't as good as it's made out to be but the glass of Chassagne Montrachet that I had was the most special wine I've ever tasted - it tasted different to all the whites I'd had previously. Then again, in Burgundy there were some beautiful wines for about 15 euros.

My wine education (taste wise) is only very limited to the Côte de Beaune and Côte de Nuits. Right now, I'm just focussing on learning about the grapes etc.

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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2007, 05:12:57 AM »
To be honest, I don't see much wrong with drinking wine at an early-ish age (provided it's done in sensible amounts).

I don't either. When you're brought up with the sense that wine is simply part of the meal, there is less likelihood you'll overindulge or treat alcohol as a drug. And too, anytime you forbid something to a human being, they're more likely to rebel, sneak off and abuse it. When we have guests from the States, we take them to wine fests; the teens appreciate being treated as adults, i.e., they can have a glass of wine if they want. Very often, they choose not to!... or choose to have just one glass. I've never seen anyone drink too much.

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the phone rings and somebody says,
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2007, 06:46:42 AM »
May I ask: where do you live? Is it in Germany?

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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2007, 09:35:23 AM »
I'm not a wine drinker (of course) but when we were in France last week, coming home from skiing in the Alps, we stopped over in Beaune - the heart of Burgundy wine.

Chassagne Montrachet 2003 - generally held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of white wines.

Clos Vougeot Grand Crut - an exquisite red.


Don Giovanni - I'd have to agree w/ Sarge - tasting those wines might 'ruin' you for life!  ;D  When my wine cellar was at a larger capacity 15 yrs or so ago, and when 'white' & 'red' Burgundies (esp. the Premier Cru vineyards) were available here at decent prices, I did have a good collection of these wines, but cost for these better wines have escalated so much recently & the availability in my area remains poor, I've pretty much stopped buying them (indeed a loss for me).  However, I still love Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays, as discussed earlier in this thread.

Sarge - thanks again for the comments on the Sauvignon Blancs & the pics - drinking attitudes in the USA have always irritated me - I don't travel much to Europe anymore, but use to get over there every couple of years, and loved their more 'laid back' approaches to wine consumption, esp. at earlier ages; I remember taking our son to France when he was a young teenager (20 yrs or so ago) - one night in Paris, we went to the Moulin Rouge to see the show (which he thoroughly enjoyed); but we ordered a bottle of Champagne - the waiter brought 3 glasses, and he was able to share w/ us, I think he felt a foot taller when the show ended!  :D

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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2007, 10:14:41 AM »
May I ask: where do you live? Is it in Germany?

I'm an American but I married a German woman and we settled in Germany after I retired from the army. I live in the Rheinhessen wine region in a village on the Rhine River just north of Worms. We're about 30 minutes from the heart of the Pfalz (Deidesheim), 45 minutes from the Rheingau and Nahe, a little over an hour to the Mosel. We're close to France, too, and travel there often to buy wine.

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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2007, 11:55:35 AM »
I'm an American but I married a German woman and we settled in Germany after I retired from the army. I live in the Rheinhessen wine region in a village on the Rhine River just north of Worms. We're about 30 minutes from the heart of the Pfalz (Deidesheim), 45 minutes from the Rheingau and Nahe, a little over an hour to the Mosel. We're close to France, too, and travel there often to buy wine.

Sarge

Oh, so you were in the army! I just thought that that was a sort of persona you took on!

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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2007, 12:03:58 PM »
Oh, so you were in the army! I just thought that that was a sort of persona you took on!

It was a persona I took on...when I enlisted in 1969. It just lasted far longer than I originally thought it would: 22 years. Actually, the original plan was to enlist, go to Nam, get myself killed heroically in order to impress a girl who'd dumped me. That didn't work out ;D

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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2007, 12:06:01 PM »
It was a persona I took on...when I enlisted in 1969. It just lasted far longer than I originally thought it would: 22 years. Actually, the original plan was to enlist, go to Nam, get myself killed heroically in order to impress a girl who'd dumped me. That didn't work out ;D

Sarge

How romantic!  :D

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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2007, 12:12:14 PM »
How romantic!  :D

Romantic? Yes, exactly...a romantic fool. If the French Foreign Legion had been easier to get into, I would have ended up there (much better food and wine of course ;D ) The American army sufficed.

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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2007, 09:12:05 AM »
It was a persona I took on...when I enlisted in 1969. It just lasted far longer than I originally thought it would: 22 years. Actually, the original plan was to enlist, go to Nam, get myself killed heroically in order to impress a girl who'd dumped me. That didn't work out ;D

Sarge

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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2007, 10:48:35 AM »
Sarge - Those pictures of bottles of some of the finest dessert wine are making my mouth water!  I really need to set some money aside and get some older bottles so that I can enjoy them now, and actively buy more bottles of recent vintages so that I don't have to spend a fortune in the future to buy older ones.

Unfortunately, wine in Utah is a state-controlled monopoly, so if the state-owned stores don't have what I want, I'm out of luck unless I want to travel outside of the state.  Of course, it is seriously illegal to mail-order wine here.  On the bright side, however, the state-owned wine store in downtown Salt Lake is an excellent one.  Even if I didn't live here, I would go by that store when passing through because they often have something interesting, and the high-end wines are often reasonably priced.

Heather

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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2007, 12:11:07 PM »
Romantic? Yes, exactly...a romantic fool. If the French Foreign Legion had been easier to get into, I would have ended up there (much better food and wine of course ;D ) The American army sufficed.

Sarge
May I suggest a movie with perhaps Tom Cruise..playing you of course......

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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2007, 12:33:46 PM »
Sarge - Those pictures of bottles of some of the finest dessert wine are making my mouth water!  I really need to set some money aside and get some older bottles so that I can enjoy them now, and actively buy more bottles of recent vintages so that I don't have to spend a fortune in the future to buy older ones.

Unfortunately, wine in Utah is a state-controlled monopoly, so if the state-owned stores don't have what I want, I'm out of luck unless I want to travel outside of the state.  Of course, it is seriously illegal to mail-order wine here.  On the bright side, however, the state-owned wine store in downtown Salt Lake is an excellent one.  Even if I didn't live here, I would go by that store when passing through because they often have something interesting, and the high-end wines are often reasonably priced.

Heather

I read an article not too long ago about the sole person responsible for what gets to come into Utah.  I couldn't believe only one person was in charge of all that wine.

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2007, 04:21:21 AM »
I just had a wonderful glass of Schloss Vollrads 2003 Riesling Spätlese trocken (Rheingau).  :P

The weather has been so freakishly gorgeous here the last two weeks, we're planning a picnic in the Rheingau next Saturday. There's a table and bench high above Hallgarten, between the last row of vines in the Hendelberg and the Taunus forest, with a spectacular panoramic view of the heart of the Rheingau: the Rhine River, Erbach, Hattenheim, Oestrich/Winkel, the Steinberg vineyard, enclosed with that stone wall, Schloss Johannisberg. We picnic there several times a year and usually go to Schloss Vollrads first to taste the wines and pick a bottle to drink with the meal. We keep a few cases of Vollrads in the cellar too; it's one of our favorite German estates. Didn't you have your wedding reception at Vollrads, O?

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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2007, 05:42:07 AM »
Sauvignon Blanc is one of the classic 'white grapes'...I must say that my 'favorite' present Sauvignon Blanc wines are emerging from New Zealand

Ever since reading that I've been thnking about NZ Sauvignon. NZ bottles are easy to find here but mainly the cheaper examples. Nice but hardly compares to the local Riesling quality-wise. I'd never had a bottle demonstrating the greatness of NZ Sauvignon. A fortuitous set of circumstances changed that Saturday evening. Mrs. Rock wanted to check out a new restaurant in Mussbach (a wine village between Deidesheim and Neustadt on the Deutsche Weinstrasse in the Pfalz). It was a beautiful place with a Hof (a courtyard between the buildings); since the weather was perfect we chose to eat outside. The wine list was a surprise. It led off with two pages of Sauvignon blanc!!! Bottles from Australia, the Loire, Austria, Germany but mostly from New Zealand! I know next to nothing about these wines but decided on one of the more expensive NZ bottles that also happened to be young (I know the wines don't age well usually): a 2005 Highfield from the Marlborough region. Mrs. Rock ordered pork tenderloin and creamed spinach and I ordered Rotbarsch (ocean perch) cooked Mediterranean style with vegetables and spaghetti.

The wine came and the bottle had a screwcap (no longer a sure sign of cheap wine). Still, Mrs. Rock joked to the waiter that at least we could be sure the wine wasn't corked. I resisted sniffing the cap ;D  When I put my nose in the glass and took a deep whiff, I almost fell out of my chair. My god, it was tremendous; a huge explosion of tropical fruits, acid (I swear I can smell acid) and that smell peculiar to Sauvignon that I can only descirbe as "green". I pronounced the wine more than sound and told Mrs. Rock she was going to be happy! And indeed she was. She had an almost shocked expresson on her face when she tried it and said, This tastes exactly like what a Pfälzer Sauvignon should taste like. (For those unfamiliar with wines from the Pfalz, they are famous for their aromas and flavors of pineapple, oranges, mango, passion fruit). And she was right: I really enjoyed that bottle, almost as much as my beloved Pfälzer Riesling. And I had to smile smugly when I read the back of the bottle: recommended with Mediterranean cuisine. (Okay, so it was pure luck I picked a perfect match...nothing to be smug about  ;D )






After dinner we drove north on the Weinstrasse to Kallstadt and went to Weingut Stauch for cheese and more wine. We had a great Alsation Munster with a glass of dry Riesling Kabinett from the town's famous Saumagen (Sow's belly) vineyard. By the way, Dave, Stauch makes superb Pinot Noir. In 2003 and 2004 his Pinots came in first place in competition in Paris (against over 700 other Pinots).




His Hof was gorgeous, the roses in full bloom:




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the phone rings and somebody says,
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he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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