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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #580 on: December 16, 2017, 11:12:27 AM »
My vote goes to the Adolf Busch Players, recorded in 1935-6 - with Rudolf Serkin splendidly vivacious in the fifth concerto (a Desert Island Discs choice for me).

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« Reply #581 on: December 17, 2017, 03:23:56 AM »
My vote goes to the Adolf Busch Players, recorded in 1935-6 - with Rudolf Serkin splendidly vivacious in the fifth concerto (a Desert Island Discs choice for me).

Envigourating and joyful performances indeed.
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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #583 on: January 11, 2018, 10:28:09 PM »
I was comparing Alessandrini today with Suzuki, Zimmerman and the last Kuijken. I can't say I've been able to warm to Kuijken: very slow, pastoral, and much reverberation in the sound. Actually, I found I enjoyed Alessandrini the most today - although I haven't been listening from beginning to end. He's very warm and graceful.
Reminds me, has anyone listened to this:

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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #584 on: January 12, 2018, 05:49:25 AM »
It's eye-opening for me to understand how a direction for a performance or recording is established. Rinaldo Alessandrini's ideas about Bach and his relation to Italian music (and his music in general) are also interesting. 
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/me-7nes9CEg&amp;t=541s" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/me-7nes9CEg&amp;t=541s</a>

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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #585 on: January 12, 2018, 06:22:12 AM »

Reminds me, has anyone listened to this:

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Yes.



#morninglistening to #Bach w/concertoItaliano & RinaldoAlessandrini on @naiverecords

http://a-fwd.to/6nyG7iI

#GoldbergVariations for small ensemble. #HIP -yet- totally unorthodox + #Passacaglia

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I thought it was a LOT of fun, but not perhaps so outstanding as to merit a review (from my perspective). A good GoldbergVariationVariation; a bit more HIP-esque in sound (if not conception) than the Sitkovetsky version.

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« Reply #586 on: January 12, 2018, 06:31:40 AM »
Yes.



#morninglistening to #Bach w/concertoItaliano & RinaldoAlessandrini on @naiverecords

http://a-fwd.to/6nyG7iI

#GoldbergVariations for small ensemble. #HIP -yet- totally unorthodox + #Passacaglia

♡♡♡ #classicalmusic #classicalmusiccollection


I thought it was a LOT of fun, but not perhaps so outstanding as to merit a review (from my perspective). A good GoldbergVariationVariation; a bit more HIP-esque in sound (if not conception) than the Sitkovetsky version.
Thanks. I'm trying to keep my wallet glued shut for a little while longer.

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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #587 on: March 11, 2018, 10:17:33 PM »
plus two more volumes

The sound quality of these  recordings  from Hakkinen (helped out by Hantai) is wonderful.

16' harpsichord, 1 to a part ensemble.

971 (sounding very good to me!) and 1057, but no 1049!
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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #588 on: May 07, 2018, 12:00:31 AM »

Maybe I'm getting soft. I like this version even though it's fairly straightforward. I like the tastefulness of the strings here as well as the "sizing." What's out there for competition on the piano besides Gould. Other more recent offerings I mean. 

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« Reply #589 on: May 07, 2018, 12:39:07 AM »
plus two more volumes


971 (sounding very good to me!) and 1057, but no 1049!

1059??

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« Reply #590 on: May 07, 2018, 12:49:53 AM »
Maybe I'm getting soft. I like this version even though it's fairly straightforward. I like the tastefulness of the strings here as well as the "sizing." What's out there for competition on the piano besides Gould. Other more recent offerings I mean.


If you look here, you will find a handful. I have not heard them.

https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/works/21352--bach-j-s-keyboard-concerto-no-1-in-d-minor-bwv1052/browse?size=10&view=large
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« Reply #592 on: May 07, 2018, 03:36:44 AM »
Thanks. I didn’t realize Hewitt did them.

I've considerably cooled on Hewitt over the years, but those recordings are still very much top-notch, to my ears! Helps to have the Australian CO, for sure:

http://ionarts.blogspot.co.at/2005/07/dip-your-ears-no-39.html

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« Reply #593 on: May 07, 2018, 05:58:28 AM »
I've considerably cooled on Hewitt over the years, but those recordings are still very much top-notch, to my ears! Helps to have the Australian CO, for sure:

http://ionarts.blogspot.co.at/2005/07/dip-your-ears-no-39.html
I don't listen to her much anymore either but I'm going to get this.

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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #594 on: May 07, 2018, 09:39:53 AM »
What's out there for competition on the piano besides Gould. Other more recent offerings I mean.

Zoltan Kocsis/Albert Simon/Franz Liszt Music Academy.

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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #595 on: May 07, 2018, 01:13:14 PM »
I've considerably cooled on Hewitt over the years, but those recordings are still very much top-notch, to my ears! Helps to have the Australian CO, for sure:

http://ionarts.blogspot.co.at/2005/07/dip-your-ears-no-39.html
What annoys me about Hewitt’s concertos is how much she plays with dynamics. Tristano really resists that. Bravo for Tristano. Maybe many pianists cannot resist the temptation. I can’t take the Hewitt.

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« Reply #596 on: May 07, 2018, 01:19:24 PM »
I've considerably cooled on Hewitt over the years, but those recordings are still very much top-notch, to my ears! Helps to have the Australian CO, for sure:

Hewitt holding steady for me.

For the concerti, I also like Garilov



Didn't like Schiff/Decca.


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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #597 on: May 07, 2018, 01:20:18 PM »
Zoltan Kocsis/Albert Simon/Franz Liszt Music Academy.
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« Reply #598 on: May 07, 2018, 04:00:02 PM »
1. David Fray's single CD is very recommendable, and easily my current favorite among piano recordings (but unfortunately he hasn't recorded all of the concertos):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyLYtBLIOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STlfXWKfVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxBQwwiBu1Q



Among complete sets, Andrei Gavrilov's set is brilliant, but more on the romantic side than either Fray or Tristano.

Andrea Bacchetti's recent set is worthwhile too, but I'd advise you to sample it first, to see how you feel about his ornamentation:



Gould is Gould, and his playing is wonderful, but the orchestra sounds like they're playing Vaughn Williams in the slow movements.  Gould was keenly interested in the period movement in the years before he died, and IMO would have recorded these concertos differently, if he'd had another go at them.

2. On harpsichord, I'd recommend the following complete set, played on antique harpsichords, with a reduced ensemble: which is ideal, as the harpsichord part doesn't get drowned out in the mix:



Among larger ensemble recordings (with the harpsichord closely miked so it can be heard), Ton Koopman's set with the Amsterdam Baroque Soloists is excellent.

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Re: Bach's Orchestral Music (Brandenburgs, Suites & Concertos)
« Reply #599 on: May 07, 2018, 06:35:09 PM »
1. David Fray's single CD is very recommendable, and easily my current favorite among piano recordings (but unfortunately he hasn't recorded all of the concertos):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyLYtBLIOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STlfXWKfVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxBQwwiBu1Q



Among complete sets, Andrei Gavrilov's set is brilliant, but more on the romantic side than either Fray or Tristano.

Andrea Bacchetti's recent set is worthwhile too, but I'd advise you to sample it first, to see how you feel about his ornamentation:



Gould is Gould, and his playing is wonderful, but the orchestra sounds like they're playing Vaughn Williams in the slow movements.  Gould was keenly interested in the period movement in the years before he died, and IMO would have recorded these concertos differently, if he'd had another go at them.

2. On harpsichord, I'd recommend the following complete set, played on antique harpsichords, with a reduced ensemble: which is ideal, as the harpsichord part doesn't get drowned out in the mix:



Among larger ensemble recordings (with the harpsichord closely miked so it can be heard), Ton Koopman's set with the Amsterdam Baroque Soloists is excellent.
I will check out Frey. I like the Plectrum in addition to Cuiller, Dantone, Sponseller and Beatrice Martin. E.T.A.: Fray is compelling stuff! thanks!!!
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