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Title: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:00:15 AM
Sibelius: Symphony 7
Robin Orr: Symphony in One Movement
Barber: Symphony 1
Miaskovsky: Symphony 21
Tubin: Symphony 10
Havergal Brian: Symphony 10
Roy Harris: Symphony 3
8)
Title: Re: Top six one movement symphonies
Post by: Karl Henning on June 04, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
What, no Harris Third?!  0:)  8)  :)
Title: Re: Top six one movement symphonies
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
Why six?
Title: Re: Top six one movement symphonies
Post by: Brian on June 04, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
Why six?
A lot of the persons guilty of spreading the "top five poll" craze also found it very hard to stop at five.
Title: Re: Top six one movement symphonies
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2015, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: Brian on June 04, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
A lot of the persons guilty of spreading the "top five poll" craze also found it very hard to stop at five.

But then a lot of the persons guilty of spreading the "top six poll" craze will find it very hard to stop at six.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Guys - you need to look again at the thread title.  ::)
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:28:54 AM
I got my dad to join the local record library so that I could use his tickets when I was in my 20s. You could take out 3 LPs hence I could now choose 6.  Karl's Roy Harris comment meant that I had to go for seven.  :)
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2015, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Guys - you need to look again at the thread title.  ::)

What, will the line stretch out to the crack of doom?
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: North Star on June 04, 2015, 11:36:55 AM
Google search 'one movement symphonies' yields e.g. this result 8)
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=14741.0
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2015, 11:29:19 AM
What, will the line stretch out to the crack of doom?
No, definitely will not go beyond seven.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: North Star on June 04, 2015, 11:36:55 AM
Google search 'one movement symphonies' yields e.g. this result 8)
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=14741.0
Amazing that I ended up choosing seven then - but not all the same ones. It was quite a few years back so I hope you'll forgive me for forgetting. Maybe I am caught in a time warp and doomed to repeat these threads forever.  ???
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Ken B on June 08, 2015, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 04, 2015, 11:00:15 AM
Sibelius: Symphony 7
Robin Orr: Symphony in One Movement
Barber: Symphony 1
Miaskovsky: Symphony 21
Tubin: Symphony 10
Havergal Brian: Symphony 10
Roy Harris: Symphony 3
8)

Clearly I need to seek out Robin Orr and that Brian person's 10th as this come close to being my list. I'd have Harris a bit higher.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Jo498 on June 09, 2015, 12:19:22 AM
There are only two one-movement-symphonies I am aware of having heard more than once: Sibelius 7 and Schoenberg's first chamber symphony (the second is in two). They are both very good but I cannot do a ranking, I am afraid, with only two.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Christo on June 09, 2015, 12:58:34 AM
Samuel Barber, Symphony No. 1
Lennox Berkeley, Symphony No. 3
Havergal Brian, Symphony No. 8
Vagn Holmboe, Symphony No. 7
John Kinsella, Symphony No. 7 for orchestra and wordless chorus
Léon Orthel, Symphony No. 2 'Piccola'
Eduard Tubin, Symphony No. 10
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: DaveF on June 09, 2015, 06:19:00 AM
What exactly is a one-movement symphony?  Immediately answering my own question, I'd say it's one which plays continuously (obviously) and, if the structure shows signs of being in a number of conjoined movements (which they nearly always are, even Sibelius 7 or Harris 3), one where the different movements aren't numbered I, II, III etc.  This would admit a clear 4-movement piece such as Nielsen 4 - which is a long way round of introducing my list:

Nielsen 4 (well, it's his birthday)
Sibelius 7
Tippett 4
Mozart 32
Brian 16
Schoenberg Op.9
Simpson 1

Once again, no place for the first true 4-in-1, Schumann 4.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Cato on June 09, 2015, 06:44:34 AM
Scriabin's Fourth and Fifth

Hartmann's Second

Schoenberg's Chamber Symphony I

Sibelius' Seventh

Harris' Third

Barber's  First
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Ken B on June 09, 2015, 07:35:57 AM
Quote from: Cato on June 09, 2015, 06:44:34 AM
Scriabin's Fourth and Fifth

Hartmann's Second

Schoenberg's Chamber Symphony I

Sibelius' Seventh

Harris' Third

Barber's  First

Well, that hero thing didn't last long.  >:D ;)
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Cato on June 09, 2015, 08:07:33 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 09, 2015, 07:35:57 AM
Well, that hero thing didn't last long.  >:D ;)

Which one(s) did me in?!   ;)
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: North Star on June 09, 2015, 08:14:02 AM
Quote from: Cato on June 09, 2015, 08:07:33 AM
Which one(s) did me in?!   ;)
Surely it's the Harris.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on June 09, 2015, 11:35:50 AM
Simpson 9
Harris 3
Schuman 6
Sibelius 7
Lutoslawski 4
Pettersson 6
Pettersson 7
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 09, 2015, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 08, 2015, 08:15:32 PM
Clearly I need to seek out Robin Orr and that Brian person's 10th as this come close to being my list. I'd have Harris a bit higher.
They're not really in order. The Orr and Brian works are terrific so do look them out. The Brian is on Dutton.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 09, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 09, 2015, 12:58:34 AM
Samuel Barber, Symphony No. 1
Lennox Berkeley, Symphony No. 3
Havergal Brian, Symphony No. 8
Vagn Holmboe, Symphony No. 7
John Kinsella, Symphony No. 7 for orchestra and wordless chorus
Léon Orthel, Symphony No. 2 'Piccola'
Eduard Tubin, Symphony No. 10

Great choices - must revisit the Orthel.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Christo on June 10, 2015, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 09, 2015, 01:24:31 PMGreat choices - must revisit the Orthel.

Must revisit the Orr.  ;) And oversaw that technically the Simpson Ninth is in one movement too (I think in his spoken explanation on the Hyperion CD he says he 'telescoped' the original second movement into the first and continued to expand it from there on).
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 10, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 10, 2015, 09:55:19 AM
Must revisit the Orr.  ;) And oversaw that technically the Simpson Ninth is in one movement too (I think in his spoken explanation on the Hyperion CD he says he 'telescoped' the original second movement into the first and continued to expand it from there on).
One of my aims is to get my head round Simpson's Ninth which I have never got on with so far - clearly I am missing out. I do like his First and Third symphonies however.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Ken B on June 10, 2015, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 10, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
One of my aims is to get my head round Simpson's Ninth which I have never got on with so far - clearly I am missing out. I do like his First and Third symphonies however.

If it really counts as 1 movement then my list is:
Sibelius 7
Simpson 9
Barber (only)
Harris 3

with a few contenders for the remaining spots, which have been mentioned by others, but these 4 are clear.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on June 11, 2015, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 10, 2015, 09:55:19 AM
Must revisit the Orr.  ;) And oversaw that technically the Simpson Ninth is in one movement too (I think in his spoken explanation on the Hyperion CD he says he 'telescoped' the original second movement into the first and continued to expand it from there on).
Yes, the Robin Orr work is very fine indeed on an interesting old EMI CD with Fricker's powerful Second Symphony ( the last few minutes are very exciting) and Simpson's Symphony 1 which is my favourite of his at the moment - although I will persevere with No. 9.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Christo on June 11, 2015, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 11, 2015, 11:42:09 AMYes, the Robin Orr work is very fine indeed on an interesting old EMI CD with Fricker's powerful Second Symphony ( the last few minutes are very exciting) and Simpson's Symphony 1 which is my favourite of his at the moment - although I will persevere with No. 9.

Have it, played it. #butnotoftenenough  :)
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: SymphonicAddict on April 01, 2019, 12:49:32 PM
Some of my choices are divided in sections, but not in movements as such:

Bantock A Celtic Symphony
Langgaard 4 (or the 6th)
Myaskovsky 22 Symphony-Ballad
Pettersson 6
Schmidt 4
Simpson 9
Vasks 2

I could have included Orthel 2 (recently discovered thank Christo), Schuman 6 (today I listened to it again and I was mightily impressed), Barber 1, Harris 3, or Vine 3.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on April 02, 2019, 05:22:45 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on April 01, 2019, 12:49:32 PM
Some of my choices are divided in sections, but not in movements as such:

Bantock A Celtic Symphony
Langgaard 4 (or the 6th)
Myaskovsky 22 Symphony-Ballad
Pettersson 6
Schmidt 4
Simpson 9
Vasks 2

I could have included Orthel 2 (recently discovered thank Christo), Schuman 6 (today I listened to it again and I was mightily impressed), Barber 1, Harris 3, or Vine 3.
Great choices Cesar ( mainly because I could have chosen the same ones  8)). I must listen again to the Simpson and the Orthel. Schuman's 6th is terrific, described somewhere as 'a Requiem for the 20th Century'.

I wonder if anyone will ever write a 'Brexit Symphony' with turbulent themes, going round and round in circles before crashing into chaos and ending with an extended mournful lament?
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Christo on April 02, 2019, 08:37:03 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 02, 2019, 05:22:45 AM
I wonder if anyone will ever write a 'Brexit Symphony' with turbulent themes, going round and round in circles before crashing into chaos and ending with an extended mournful lament?
Ah! Mahler did that one already, even a couple of times.  >:D
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: SymphonicAddict on April 02, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 02, 2019, 05:22:45 AM
Great choices Cesar ( mainly because I could have chosen the same ones  8)). I must listen again to the Simpson and the Orthel. Schuman's 6th is terrific, described somewhere as 'a Requiem for the 20th Century'.

I wonder if anyone will ever write a 'Brexit Symphony' with turbulent themes, going round and round in circles before crashing into chaos and ending with an extended mournful lament?

Thanks!

I'd be eager to hear that alluring prospect of symphony! Let's hope some modern composer will take the challenge ;D
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Maestro267 on April 04, 2019, 05:18:26 AM
Penderecki: Symphony No. 5
MacMillan: Symphony No. 3 ("Silence")
Lloyd: Symphony No. 12
Brian: Symphony No. 10
Tippett: Symphony No. 4
Strauss: Eine Alpensinfonie
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Roasted Swan on April 04, 2019, 05:27:26 AM
Haglund Symphony

Premiered by Royal Stockholm Philharmonic a week ago..... full concert streamed here:

https://sverigesradio.se/avsnitt/1258425https://sverigesradio.se/avsnitt/1258425

remarkable work.......

Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: Mirror Image on April 04, 2019, 06:25:40 AM
I don't listen to symphonies much these days and haven't for the past year, so I wouldn't know where to begin with my own list.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: André on April 04, 2019, 07:19:54 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 02, 2019, 05:22:45 AM
Great choices Cesar ( mainly because I could have chosen the same ones  8)). I must listen again to the Simpson and the Orthel. Schuman's 6th is terrific, described somewhere as 'a Requiem for the 20th Century'.

I wonder if anyone will ever write a 'Brexit Symphony' with turbulent themes, going round and round in circles before crashing into chaos and ending with an extended mournful lament?

The Brexit symphony is likely to be a multiple movement work, more like an extended Suite  :D.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: some guy on April 12, 2019, 08:42:51 AM
Just a mention of Webern and Zimmermann. And of Nørholm's ninth and Myaskovsky's tenth as well.

For the record.
Title: Re: Top seven one movement symphonies
Post by: vandermolen on April 13, 2019, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on April 04, 2019, 05:18:26 AM
Penderecki: Symphony No. 5
MacMillan: Symphony No. 3 ("Silence")
Lloyd: Symphony No. 12
Brian: Symphony No. 10
Tippett: Symphony No. 4
Strauss: Eine Alpensinfonie
Nice to see a plug for Lloyd's 12th Symphony which I also rate highly. I've just discovered, on the recommendation of a colleague, MacMillan's 4th Symphony which I thought was terrific so must investigate No.3 as well. Brian's 10th is one of his best I think.