Part II of "The Greatest" polls.
Pick your top 10 choices for greatest concertos, any era, any instrument, with your top choice receiving 10 points, and your tenth choice receiving 1 point.
For those new to this, it's very similar to the symphony poll I just completed...
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27326.0.html
After a week or so I'll tally up the top choices. Let's Go!
Lots of D minor, as god intended 8)
10 (points) Beethoven Piano Concerto 5 "Emperor"
9 Elgar Violin Concerto
8 Berg Violin Concerto
7 Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor
6 Mozart Piano Concerto 20 D minor
5 Dvorak Cello Concerto
4 Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto 3 D minor
3 Bach Keyboard Concerto 1 D minor
2 Schoenberg Piano Concerto
1 Mendelssohn Violin Concerto E minor
1. Prokofiev - Piano Concerto No. 2 (10 pts)
2. Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 (9)
3. Elgar - Cello Concerto (eight)*
4. Elgar - Violin Concerto (7)
5. Britten - Piano Concerto (6)
6. Daugherty - UFO (for percussion) (5)
7. Ginastera - Piano Concerto No. 2 (4)
8. Lutoslawski - Cello Concerto (3)
9. Tishchenko - Violin Concerto No. 2 (2)
10. Maw - Violin Concerto (1)
*Just realised, several days after posting this, that 8 followed by a close bracket ) = 8). Hence, the word eight will have to do.
10 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595
9 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 17 K. 453
8 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 15 K. 450
7 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491
6 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488
5 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 25 K. 503
4 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 21 K. 467
3 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466
2 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 9 K. 271
1 - Mozart Piano Concerto No. 18 K. 456
No particular theme for this list.
10 - Ravel – Concerto for the Left Hand
9 - Ravel – Piano Concerto in G major
8 - Prokofiev – Piano Concerto No. 2
7 - Bartók – Piano Concerto no. 2
6 - Dvorak – Cello Concerto
5 - Sibelius – Violin Concerto
4 - Nielsen – Flute Concerto
3 - Mozart – Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595
2 - Alkan – Concerto for Solo Piano
1 - Berg - Violin Concerto
10 - Carter: Piano Concerto
9 - Ferneyhough: La Chute d'Icare
8 - Ferneyhough: Terrain
7 - Carter: Violin Concerto
6 - Ferneyhough: Les Froissements des Ailes de Gabriel
5 - Lutoslawski: Piano Concerto
4 - Ligeti: Cello Concerto
3 - Schnittke: Piano Concerto
2 - Dutilleux: Cello Concerto
1 - Carter: Cello Concerto
reserving a spot
10 beethoven pc 4
9 mozart sinfonia concertante k364
8 shostakovich cello 2
7 mozart pc 23
6 mozart pc 24
5 brahms pc 2
4 bartok pc 2
3 prokofiev violin 2
2 glass tympani
(10) Medtner: Piano Concerto No. 3
(9) Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4
(8 ) Dvořák: Piano Concerto
(7) Skalkottas: Piano Concerto No. 2
(6) Henselt: Piano Concerto
(5) Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2
(4) Sibelius: Violin Concerto
(3) Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20
(2) Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2
(1) Ravel: Piano Concerto in D (for the left hand)
Pièce de résistance:
(11) Foulds: Dynamic Triptych
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 12, 2017, 05:26:23 AM
Lots of D minor, as god intended 8)
10 (points) Beethoven Piano Concerto 5 "Emperor"
9 Elgar Violin Concerto
7 Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor
3 Bach Keyboard Concerto 1 D minor
1 Mendelssohn Violin Concerto E minor
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 12, 2017, 05:32:18 AM
5. Britten - Piano Concerto (6)
Quote from: North Star on September 12, 2017, 05:58:52 AM
9 - Ravel – Piano Concerto in G major
7 - Bartók – Piano Concerto no. 2
2 - Alkan – Concerto for Solo Piano
Quote from: Ken B on September 12, 2017, 06:22:53 AM
9 mozart sinfonia concertante k364
7 mozart pc 23
6 mozart pc 24
Loving these!
Points, not rankings. There's a trio of 1930s violin concertos all clustered together for some reason...
10 - Mozart Piano Concerto 23
9 - Schoenberg Violin Concerto
8 - Stravinsky Violin Concerto
7 - Berg Violin Concerto
6 - Mozart Piano Concerto 9
5 - Bartok Piano Concerto 2
4 - Carter Clarinet Concerto
3 - Brahms Piano Concerto 2
2 - Ligeti Violin Concerto
1 - Beethoven Piano Concerto 4
0 - Mahler Violin Concerto
Because the symphonies list wasn't difficult enough ... :-\
10. Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto
9. Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 2 in G major
8. Poulenc: Concerto pour deux pianos, FP 61
7. Sibelius: Violin Concerto
6. Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2
5. Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 3
4. Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur
3. Martinů: Concerto for two pianos & orchestra, H. 292
2. Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 18
1. Glière: Harp Concerto
Allan Pettersson: Violin Concerto 2 (10)
Shostakovich: Violin Concerto 1 (9)
Beethoven: Violin Concerto (8)
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto 2 (7)
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto 4 (6)
Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand (5)
Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 (4)
Bridge: Oration (3)
Barber: Violin Concerto (2)
Moeran: Cello Concerto (1)
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 12, 2017, 08:15:17 AM
0 - Mahler Violin Concerto
This may very well be the dark horse of the poll.
Wild guess: only Barber will make it to the finals; but hey, why not the terrific Martinů, or Nasidze? ;D
10. Bohuslav Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani (1938)
9. Samuel Barber: Violin Concerto (1939)
8. Lennox Berkeley: Concerto for two pianos and orchestra (1948)
7. Sulkhan Nasidze: Concerto for Violin, Cello and Chamber Orchestra (1982)
6. Manuel de Falla: Noches en los jardines de España (1915)
5. Malcolm Arnold: Guitar Concerto (1959)
4. Alberto Ginastera: Concierto para arpa y orquesta (1956)
3. Pēteris Vasks: Violin Concerto 'Tālā gaisma' (1997)
2. Germaine Tailleferre: Concertino pour harpe et orchestra (1928)
1. Frank Bridge: Oration: concerto elegiaco (1931)
It's definitely a harder poll:
10 - Shostakovich Cello concerto 1
9 - Alwyn Lyra Angelica
8 - Tchaikovsky Piano concerto 1
7 - Dvorák Cello concerto
6 - Nielsen Flute concerto
5 - Lutoslawski Cello concerto
4 - Bach Double concerto in D minor
3 - Sibelius Violin concerto
2 - Korngold Violin concerto
1 - Rachmaninov Piano concerto 3
10 - Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur
9 - Alwyn: Lyra Angelica
8 - Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)"
7 - Schoenberg: Violin Concerto
6 - Berg: Violin Concerto
5 - Sibelius: Violin Concerto
4 - Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 3
3 - Mozart: Clarinet Concerto
2 - Ligeti: Violin Concerto
1 - Furrer: Piano Concerto
This should do... :-\
10: Schmitt: Symphonie concertante
9: Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2
8: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur
7: Schoenberg: Piano Concerto
6: Shostakovich: Cello Concerto 1
5: Jongen: Symphonie Concertante
4: Tveitt: Piano Concerto 4
3: Sibelius: Violin Concerto
2: Korngold: Violin Cocerto
1: Jolivet: Concerto for ondes Martenot and Orchestra
Quote from: schnittkease on September 12, 2017, 04:55:31 PM
This should do... :-\
10: Schmitt: Symphonie concertante
9: Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2
8: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur
7: Schoenberg: Piano Concerto
6: Shostakovich: Cello Concerto 1
5: Jongen: Symphonie Concertante
4: Tveitt: Piano Concerto 4
3: Sibelius: Violin Concerto
2: Korngold: Violin Cocerto
1: Jolivet: Concerto for ondes Martenot and Orchestra
Great list (but no Schnittke :o)! Love seeing some admiration for the Jongen and Tveitt especially.
Quote from: vandermolen on September 12, 2017, 01:23:02 PM
Beethoven: Violin Concerto (8) eight)
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14 lists, 91 different concertos listed. Quite a variety so far. :)
Quote from: kyjo on September 12, 2017, 05:22:28 PM
Great list (but no Schnittke :o)! Love seeing some admiration for the Jongen and Tveitt especially.
:-[ I always have a guilty conscience when I exclude Schnittke, but methinks shedding some light on lesser-known works is just as important.
Quote from: schnittkease on September 12, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
:-[ I always have a guilty conscience when I exclude Schnittke, but methinks shedding some light on lesser-known works is just as important.
No need to feel bad ;D It's very important indeed; most of my lists for these polls are skewed towards lesser-known works not because I actually prefer them to better-known pieces (well, in some cases, I do), but because I want to introduce them to those who may not be familiar with them :)
I've changed my original list having read Christo's. I should never have left out 'Oration' by Frank Bridge and Barber's VC is one of the greatest I think.
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Thanks! That issue has dogged me for years.
:)
Quote from: vandermolen on September 12, 2017, 10:50:33 PMI've changed my original list having read Christo's. I should never have left out 'Oration' by Frank Bridge and Barber's VC is one of the greatest I think.
But I left out the Ravel and Shostakovich, just because. :D Would we be allowed another ten, doi you think? ::)
Quote from: Christo on September 13, 2017, 12:22:31 AM
But I left out the Ravel and Shostakovich, just because. :D Would we be allowed another ten, doi you think? ::)
We can only hope and 0:)
Also, I left out the Berkeley L. Double PC - your favourite.
8)
Ten ordered how they came to mind ..
Bach - Brandenburg Cto 2 (10)
Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3
Bach - Brandenburg Cto 5
Bartok - Pno Cto 1
Bartok - Pno Cto 2
Bartok - Pno Cto 3
Berg - Vln Cto
Gubaidulina - Offertorium (Vln Cto)
Tippett - Pno Cto
Shostakovich - Vln Cto 1 (1)
10 - Chopin: Piano Concerto #1 In E Minor, Op. 11
09 - Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23
08 - Elgar: Violin Concerto In B Minor, Op. 61
07 - Bruch: Violin Concerto #1 In G Minor, Op. 26
06 - Brahms: Violin Concerto In D, Op. 77
05 - Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #2 In G, Op. 44
04 - Sibelius: Violin Concerto In D Minor, Op. 47
03 - Prokofiev: Piano Concerto #2 In G Minor, Op. 16
02 - Prokofiev: Symphony-Concerto For Cello & Orchestra In E Minor, Op. 125
01 - Shostakovich: Violin Concerto #1 In A Minor, Op. 99
10 Beethoven 4th piano concerto
9 Brahms: Violin concerto
8 Prokofieff: 2nd Piano concerto
7 Mozart: 24th Piano concerto c minor K 491
6 Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto
5 Brahms: 2nd Piano concerto
4 Shostakovich 1st Violin concerto
3 Dvorak: Cello concerto
2 Bach: Brandenburg Concerto #5 [if this is not allowed because it is a triple concerto, I'll take Bach's E major violin concerto]
1 Mozart: Clarinet concerto
Quote from: vandermolen on September 13, 2017, 12:36:20 AMAlso, I left out the Berkeley L. Double PC - your favourite. 8)
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10 Mozart: Piano Concerto in C minor KV 491
09 Bach: Concerto for Violin and Oboe in C minor, BWV 1060R
08 Bach: Concerto for 2 Violins in D minor, BWV 1043
07 Corelli: Concerto grosso in G minor op. 6 no. 8 "Fatto per la notte di Natale"
06 Vivaldi: Violin Concerto in E major "L'amoroso" RV 271
05 Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 4 in G major, BWV 1049
04 Mozart: Piano Concerto in A major KV 488
03 Händel: Concerto Grosso in B flat major HWV 312
02 Bach: Violin Concerto in E major, BWV 1042
01 Vivaldi: Concerto for 2 Violins in A minor, RV 522
Quote from: schnittkease on September 12, 2017, 04:55:31 PM
This should do... :-\
10: Schmitt: Symphonie concertante
9: Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2
8: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur
7: Schoenberg: Piano Concerto
6: Shostakovich: Cello Concerto 1
5: Jongen: Symphonie Concertante
4: Tveitt: Piano Concerto 4
3: Sibelius: Violin Concerto
2: Korngold: Violin Cocerto
1: Jolivet: Concerto for ondes Martenot and Orchestra
No Schnittke! Man, you're doing a disservice to your avatar. ;)
My picks (one per composer):
+10 Shostakovich:
Violin Concerto No. 1+9 Ravel:
Piano Concerto in G major+8 Bartók:
Violin Concerto No. 2+7 Berg:
Violin Concerto+6 Dvořák:
Cello Concerto+5 Prokofiev:
Piano Concerto No. 2+4 Schnittke:
Cello Concerto No. 1+3 Martinů:
Concerto for Double String Orchestra, Piano, and Timpani+2 Takemitsu:
Viola Concerto, "A String Around Autumn"+1 Stravinsky:
Violin Concerto
Quote from: bwv 1080 on September 12, 2017, 06:14:56 AM
3 - Schnittke: Piano Concerto
Which one? :) The
Concerto for Piano & Strings? More than likely.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 14, 2017, 05:56:47 PM
Which one? :) The Concerto for Piano & Strings? More than likely.
yes
WARNING: Please do not make anymore changes unless you keep your old list posted as well, as I've now compiled the scores from the posted lists. I have no problem updating any edits, but it helps to know your previous scores so I can make proper adjustments.
Thank you all for participating!!! Maybe we can get 10-12 more?? And I started my personal of concertos list after compiling the scores but I was heavily influenced by all the pieces and scores so I stopped, will revisit later this weekend once I get what I saw/know about the list out of my mind.
:) :)
10 points Mozart PC 22
9 points Vivaldi - Oboe Concerto RV 454
8 points Mozart PC 27
7 points Mozart PC 23
6 points Mozart PC 20
5 points Mozart PC 21
4 points Shostakovich Violin Concerto
3 points Vivaldi – Concerto for Mandolin, RV 425
2 points Vivaldi - Alla Rustica, RV 151
1 point Vivaldi - In Tromba Marina RV 558
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 15, 2017, 07:12:30 AM
WARNING: Please do not make anymore changes unless you keep your old list posted as well, as I've now compiled the scores from the posted lists. I have no problem updating any edits, but it helps to know your previous scores so I can make proper adjustments.
Did you reflect the edit that I made yesterday? I had actually always meant Mozart 23 rather than 24, but forgot the number temporarily.
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 15, 2017, 01:17:01 PM
Did you reflect the edit that I made yesterday? I had actually always meant Mozart 23 rather than 24, but forgot the number temporarily.
I got it,
Mahlerian! Thanks. :)
Quote from: Jay F on September 15, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
9 points Vivaldi - Oboe Concerto RV 454
3 points Vivaldi – Concerto for Mandolin, RV 425
2 points Vivaldi - Alla Rustica, RV 151
1 point Vivaldi - In Tromba Marina RV 558
Nice list,
Jay. Mine is also going to include at least 2 Vivaldi concertos.
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 15, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
I'll try but it's gonna be hard ???
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Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 15, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
Other pieces like Sibelius' Violin Concerto or Bartok's 1st piano concerto, Ligeti's Chamber Concerto etc haven't made it but would be close.
Did I do the format properly? Keqrops is at the top with the most points 8)
Interesting list,
Alien. I will need to explore many of these pieces. Thanks!
1) Dvorak Cello concerto 10 point
2) Ravel Left hand concerto 9 point
3) Mozart no 20 D minor 8 point
4) Brahms double concerto 7 point
5) Bartok Concerto for strings percussions and Celesta 6 points
6) Haydn D minor cello concerto 5 points
7) Prokofiev violin concerto no 1 4 points
8) Rachmaninov piano concerto no 2 3 points
9) Schumann piano concerto 2 points
10) Elgar cello concerto 1 point
I should have included Bartok PC 3. Ho hum ::)
Quote from: vandermolen on September 16, 2017, 01:34:55 AMI should have included Bartok PC 3. Ho hum ::)
'L'Hongrie zéro points, Hungary, no points' :laugh:
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 15, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
Nice list, Jay. Mine is also going to include at least 2 Vivaldi concertos.
Once was a time the only classical music I listened to was what I heard in movies. I loved Vivaldi's RV 425 when I first heard it in
Kramer v. Kramer. I didn't know anything about the various numbering systems in 1979, though, and when I went to buy the record it was on, the woman who owned the record store, who hadn't seen the movie, told me I'd probably find it on this record:
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It turned out not to have the
Kramer v. Kramer theme, but I loved it anyway. I've played it hundreds of times. It never had a CD release of its own, and instead was spread across three different Bernstein Edition CDs. Now I have them all assembled together on iTunes, and I can play them digitally in just the order I remember them. It's still one of my favorite records.
Quote from: schnittkease on September 16, 2017, 06:35:37 AM
Damn, no love for Kapustin? :o
Now there's indeed a surprise! Never thought his name would show up in this thread..
Is he the Russian jazz musician? If so my old school friend bought me a CD of him playing for my birthday. I really enjoyed it.
Quote from: schnittkease on September 16, 2017, 06:35:37 AM
Damn, no love for Kapustin Tartini, Locatelli, Handel, Haydn, Viotti, Weber, Paganini, Chopin, Mendelssohn, Schumann, Liszt, Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Wieniawski, Vieutemps and Saint-Saens ? :o
FTFY.
It's as if some truly great and popular concertos were never written, and as if whole chapters in the history of music suddenly turned into mere negligible footnotes. It must be some sort of conspiracy. ;D
Quote from: schnittkease on September 16, 2017, 06:35:37 AM
Damn, no love for Kapustin? :o
The same thing I was wondering when you excluded Schnittke from your list. ;)
But my thoughts were
"Damn, no love Schnittke?" ;D
I secretly hope Shostakovich sweeps the board after all is said and, in this case, voted for. :)
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 16, 2017, 07:22:45 AM
I secretly hope Shostakovich sweeps the board after all is said and, in this case, voted for. :)
There is a piece from a Russian composer that has a comfortable 20pt lead for the top spot. :-X
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 16, 2017, 07:33:27 AM
There is a piece from a Russian composer that has a comfortable 20pt lead for the top spot. :-X
Can't wait to see the results, Greg. How much more time will you allow to elapse before tallying up everything and making the votes official?
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 16, 2017, 07:39:04 AM
Can't wait to see the results, Greg. How much more time will you allow to elapse before tallying up everything and making the votes official?
I've got 22 lists, I would like to hit at least 30, so I will probably let it run through the rest of the weekend before I post results.
Y'all are killing me here with choosing 10!!
Given the vast array of solo instruments represented, would honestly be interested in another version of this where we could list twenty just to see how that would shake out ;D
(10 pt) Shostakovich Piano Concerto No. 1
(9 pt) Stravinsky Violin Concerto
(8 pt) Mendelssohn Violin Concerto
(7 pt) Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto
(6 pt) Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue
(5 pt) Lutoslawski Cello Concerto
(4 pt) Adams Dharma at Big Sur
(3 pt) Salonen Violin Concerto
(2 pt) Lindberg Clarinet Concerto
(1 pt) Korngold Violin Concerto
I'm so bummed I couldn't include these, but some already were well spoken for anyway:
Ravel Piano Concerto in G
Sibelius Violin Concerto
Elgar Cello Concerto
Rouse Flute Concerto
Shocked and saddened no one else has listed DSCH PC 1!! What the heck y'all! :o
Otherwise, great lists everyone ;)
Quote from: Senta on September 16, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
Shocked and saddened no one else has listed DSCH PC 1!! What the heck y'all! :o
Otherwise, great lists everyone ;)
Thanks,
Senta! And I agree, DSCH's 1st Piano Concerto is the bomb! Would be the one concerto I would choose from his collection of great concertos.
Yes! Shostakovich's PC1 is glorious, but so is the 2nd.
I must be the only member here who believes that Saint-saens 2nd and 5th (Egyptian) piano concertos are the best piano concertos of the romantic era fullstop!
nobodys mentioned them...
marvin
Quote from: marvinbrown on September 16, 2017, 09:42:00 AM
I must be the only member here who believes that Saint-saens 2nd and 5th (Egyptian) piano concertos are the best piano concertos of the romantic era fullstop!
nobodys mentioned them...
marvin
You can do so in your list,
Marvin. :)
Somebody had to do it*
10 pts - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") in E-flat major, K. 271
09 pts - Mozart - Concerto for Flute, Harp, and Orchestra in C major, K. 299/297c
08 pts - Mozart - Violin Concerto No.4 in D major, K.218
07 pts - Mozart - Clarinet Concerto in A major, K.622
06 pts - Haydn - Trumpet Concerto in E-flat major, Hob.VIIe:1
05 pts - Handel - Organ Concerto in G minor op. 7 No 5
04 pts - Boccherini - Cello Concerto in D major, G. 479
03 pts - Vivaldi - Flute Concerto in D major, RV 428 "Il gardellino"
02 pts - Mercadante - Flute Concerto No. 2 in E minor, Op. 57
01 pts - Somervell - Violin Concerto in G minor
* ie, trying in vain to revert the balance from doom & gloom, dark & bark to light & bright, sunny & funny! You know, ladies and gentlemen, humor, laughter and merriment are just as humane and legitimate as tragedy, weep and mourning. :laugh:
Quote from: marvinbrown on September 16, 2017, 09:42:00 AMI must be the only member here who believes that Saint-saens 2nd and 5th (Egyptian) piano concertos are the best piano concertos of the romantic era fullstop!
nobodys mentioned them...
marvin
I didn't mention any romantic concerto, but among them Saint-Saëns'
Egyptian is one of my absolute favourites; another is his late
Morceau de concert for harp and orchestra
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
Somebody had to do it*
10 pts - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") in E-flat major, K. 271
09 pts - Mozart - Concerto for Flute, Harp, and Orchestra in C major, K. 299/297c
08 pts - Mozart - Violin Concerto No.4 in D major, K.218
07 pts - Mozart - Clarinet Concerto in A major, K.622
06 pts - Haydn - Trumpet Concerto in E-flat major, Hob.VIIe:1
05 pts - Handel - Organ Concerto in G minor op. 7 No 5
04 pts - Boccherini - Cello Concerto in D major, G. 479
03 pts - Vivaldi - Flute Concerto in D major, RV 428 "Il gardellino"
02 pts - Mercadante - Flute Concerto No. 2 in E minor, Op. 57
01 pts - Somervell - Violin Concerto in G minor
* ie, trying in vain to revert the balance from doom & gloom, dark & bark to light & bright, sunny & funny! You know, ladies and gentlemen, humor, laughter and merriment are just as humane and legitimate as tragedy, weep and mourning. :laugh:
Well, I think we're the only two who've voted for Mozart's early masterpiece.
Whoops, I forgot AMW's all-Mozart vote. Richly deserved, at that.
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 16, 2017, 10:31:37 AM
Well, I think we're the only two who've voted for Mozart's early masterpiece.
True, but
una hirundo non facit ver. Compare everything else we've voted for. ;D :P
And amw voted for No. 9 too.
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 16, 2017, 10:31:37 AM
Well, I think we're the only two who've voted for Mozart's early masterpiece.
Whoops, I forgot AMW's all-Mozart vote. Richly deserved, at that.
The problem with Mozart is that there isn't one head and shoulders above the others. They are only head and shoulders (and navel) above the Doom And Gloom brigade.
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2017, 10:38:33 AM
True, but una hirundo non facit ver. Compare everything else we've voted for. ;D :P
What about them? I don't consider any of the pieces on my list as representing doom and gloom. Some of them have dark moments, like the Mozart on top of my list, but none of them are pessimistic.
Here goes... :)
Beethoven PC No. 4 in G major op. 38 (10 points)
Ravel Concerto for the Left Hand (9 points)
Mozart VC No. 3 in G major K216 (8 points)
Schoenberg PC op. 42 (7 points)
Carter Oboe Concerto (6 points)
Maderna VC (5 points)
Busoni PC in C major op. 39 (4 points)
Ginastera Harp Concerto(3 points)
Walton Viola Concerto (2 points)
Falla Noches en los jardines de España (1 point)
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
10 pts - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy"
just noting my appreciation of the correct dedicatee's name in this post (also, good list)
I share the concerns, too many great works are left out. An insurrection against the arbitrary 10 limit and an expanded vote for 20 or 30 works might be in order. >:D
As is evident, "top-10" is far too restrictive, and really only suitable to pop charts and, concerning classical music, people who don't really listen to, like or are familiar with classical like we all here are.
Or else, you know, accept "the rulez" and stop whining. $:) ;) :o
Quote from: Ken B on September 16, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
The problem with Mozart is that there isn't one head and shoulders above the others. They are only head and shoulders (and navel) above the Doom And Gloom brigade.
Hah! >:D ;D :P
Über-cool lists, Andrei and Rafael. 8)
Beethoven 4 for the win!
Quote from: Wanderer on September 16, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
As is evident, "top-10" is far too restrictive, and really only suitable to pop charts
Like the Eurovision of Classical Music Concertos --- ten points go to... Lithuania! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 16, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
What about them? I don't consider any of the pieces on my list as representing doom and gloom. Some of them have dark moments, like the Mozart on top of my list, but none of them are pessimistic.
I hope you'll give me that
Vivaldi or
Boccherini have a diferent way of not being pessimistic than
Schoenberg or
Berg.
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
I hope you'll give me that Vivaldi or Boccherini have a diferent way of not being pessimistic than Schoenberg or Berg.
Sure. But Schoenberg and Berg are closer to Mozart in the range and kind of expression than Mozart is to Vivaldi or Boccherini.
Quote from: Wanderer on September 16, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
Über-cool lists, Andrei and Rafael. 8)
Beethoven 4 for the win!
That was my top pick.
Andrei can still change his vote!
I kept one spot in reserve. So Monkey Greg I cast a 1 point vote for Walton Viola
Quote from: marvinbrown on September 16, 2017, 09:42:00 AM
I must be the only member here who believes that Saint-saens 2nd and 5th (Egyptian) piano concertos are the best piano concertos of the romantic era fullstop!
nobodys mentioned them...
marvin
I love all the Saint-Saëns piano concertos nearly equally. Such tuneful, uplifting, and inventive works.
Quote from: Wanderer on September 16, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
Über-cool lists, Andrei and Rafael. 8)
Thanks! Your
Skalkottas could easily have been on my list as well... ;)
N.B.: I changed the
Ginastera from his
VC to the
Harp Concerto, which I actually like even more... :)
Quote from: Ken B on September 16, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
....
I kept one spot in reserve. So Monkey Greg I cast a 1 point vote for Walton Viola
Go,
Walton, go!!! :) That last movement of the
Viola Concerto, allegro moderato, is quite something!
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 16, 2017, 11:33:46 AM
Schoenberg and Berg are closer to Mozart in the range and kind of expression than Mozart is to Vivaldi or Boccherini.
I respectfully beg to differ.
Ceteris paribus, the range and kind of expression is the same in all five cases.
Quote from: Ken B on September 16, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Andrei can still change his vote!
Given the context I won't, not even at a gunpoint!
Let me clearly and proudly come out of the closet:
Mozart über alles!
Quote from: schnittkease on September 16, 2017, 11:37:04 AM
...and I'm never doing that again.
Do as you wish, my friend. It's your list, not mine. I'm just busting your chops. We all have our favorites. 8)
Ok, just for fun, one per composer:
10. Mozart: Sinfonia Concertante for Violin, Viola and Orchestra in E-flat major, K364
9. Berg: Violin Concerto
8. Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No.3 in G major, BWV1048
7. Schumann: Piano Concerto in A minor, Op.54
6. Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.4 in G major, Op.58
5. Brahms: Piano Concerto No.1 in D minor, Op.15
4. Ligeti: Violin Concerto
3. Maderna: Grande Aulodia, for Flute, Oboe and Orchestra
2. Dutilleux: Tout un monde lointain... (Cello and Orchestra)
1. Vivaldi: Concerto No.4 in F minor, Op.8, RV297, "Winter"
Quote from: Spineur on September 15, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
5) Bartok Concerto for strings percussions and Celesta 6 points
The
music for strings, percussions and celesta is hardly a concerto.
Points, not rank.
10. Brett Dean - The lost art of letter writing (violin concerto) (2006)
9. Karol Szymanowski - Violin concerto n°2 (1933)
8. Alfred Schnittke - Cello concerto n.1 (1986)
7. Dmitry Shostakovich - Violin concerto n.1 (1948)
6. Jan Erik Mikalsen - Clarinet concerto (2010)
5. Lasse Thoresen - To the brother peoples (concerto for hardingfele, nyckelharpa and orchestra) (2005)
4. Arnold Schoenberg - Violin concerto (1936)
3. Ernst Toch - Piano concerto (1926)
2. Iannis Xenakis – Keqrops (piano concerto) (1986)
1. Unsuk Chin - Cello concerto (2008)
I'm sorry, but the romantic in me has died a long time ago.
I compiled my list offline, and (it being early in the day) I unwittingly mistook the thread as Greatest 20th-c. Concertos. Which, of course, even with that restriction, is impossible.
But I shall let it stand. Here goes nothing!
Nielsen, Clarinet Concerto (10 pts)
Carter, Double Concerto for Harpsichord, Piano & Two Chamber Orchestras (9 pts)
Prokofiev, Violin Concerto № 2 in g minor (8 pts)
Elgar, Cello Concerto in e minor (7 pts)
Schnittke, Concerto for Three (6 pts)
Shostakovich, Violin Concerto № 1 in a minor (5 pts)
Wuorinen, Piano Concerto № 3 (4 pts)
Wuorinen, Five: Concerto for Amplified Cello and Orchestra (3 pts)
Mennin, Flute Concerto (2 pts)
Rakhmaninov, Piano Concerto № 2 (1 pt)
Bumping for possibility of any more lists. Will post scores tomorrow!
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 19, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
Bumping for possibility of any more lists. Will post scores tomorrow!
I'm Ben K. Ken lent me his password to vote. My votes are the same as his. Coincidence.
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2017, 07:08:47 AM
FTFY.
It's as if some truly great and popular concertos were never written, and as if whole chapters in the history of music suddenly turned into mere negligible footnotes. It must be some sort of conspiracy. ;D
Some posters have freely admitted that they are using this as a forum to put out a few names who may normally not get recognition. Others have limited their lists in some way (one nomination per composer for example). Thus, the result here simply will not be a list of 'greatest' concertos.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 19, 2017, 05:50:43 PM
Thus, the result here simply will not be a list of 'greatest' concertos.
Well darn, and here I was hoping that the final list would be looked upon throughout the classical music world as the one true list of the greatest concertos ever.
+10: Sibelius, Violin Concerto
+9: Mendelssohn, Violin Concerto
+8: Lindberg, Clarinet Concerto
+7: Walton, Viola Concerto
+6: Elgar, Cello Concerto
+5: Prokofiev, Violin Concerto No. 1
+4: Shostakovich, Piano Concerto No. 1
+3: Mozart, Piano Concerto No. 20
+2: Gubaidulina, Viola Concerto
+1: Goldmark, Violin Concerto
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 19, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
Well darn, and here I was hoping that the final list would be looked upon throughout the classical music world as the one true list of the greatest concertos ever.
In certain circles . . . .
Quote from: Mr Bloom on September 17, 2017, 12:11:44 AM
Points, not rank.
10. Brett Dean - The lost art of letter writing (violin concerto) (2006)
9. Karol Szymanowski - Violin concerto n°2 (1933)
8. Alfred Schnittke - Cello concerto n.1 (1986)
7. Dmitry Shostakovich - Violin concerto n.1 (1948)
6. Jan Erik Mikalsen - Clarinet concerto (2010)
5. Lasse Thoresen - To the brother peoples (concerto for hardingfele, nyckelharpa and orchestra) (2005)
4. Arnold Schoenberg - Violin concerto (1936)
3. Ernst Toch - Piano concerto (1926)
2. Iannis Xenakis – Keqrops (piano concerto) (1986)
1. Unsuk Chin - Cello concerto (2008)
I'm sorry, but the romantic in me has died a long time ago.
Not necessarily. You still have Shostakovich, Szymanowski, Schnittke, and Schoenberg on your list. They're pretty 'Romantic' to me. Perhaps not in the presentation of the music, but their expression and general feeling sounds quite Romantic. Of course, there's also the possibility that I've gone out of my mind. ;)
It's been 6 days since I first began to compile scores, but stopped so I wasn't influenced on my own personal list since I didn't make one when I first created the thread, and I have about 10 more lists to add. So here's mine, and shortly I'll post the top 25 or 30 concertos and their scores...
Brahms Violin - 10
Strauss duet-concertino for Clarinet and Bassoon - 9
Mozart Piano No. 22 - 8
Vivaldi Four Seasons Winter - 7
Telemann Concerto E Minor for Recorder and Flute TWV 52 - 6
Poulenc Concerto for organ, timpani and strings - 5
Vasks Violin Concerto Distant Light - 4
Glass Violin No. 2 -3
RachmaninovPiano 3 -2
Schoenfield Vaudeville Concerto for Piccolo Trumpet -1
Made a quick adjustment, had to add Vasks!
Completed list! Let the discussions begin!
1: Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 52
2: Berg: Violin Concerto - 42
t3: Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 - 41; Sibelius: Violin Concerto - 41
5: Dvorak: Cello concerto - 37
6: Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 - 36
7: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488 - 34
8: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491 - 30
9: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466 - 29
t10: Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto - 28; Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto - 28
t12: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur - 26; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23 - 26
t14: Brahms: Violin concerto - 25; Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand - 25
16: Elgar : Violin Concerto - 24
17: Elgar - Cello Concerto - 22
18: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595 - 21
19: Alwyn Lyra Angelica - 18
t20: Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") - 18; Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 - 18; Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major - 18
23: Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3 - 17
t24: Schoenberg: Violin Concerto - 16; Shostakovich Cello concerto 1 - 16
t26: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 15; Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)" - 15
t28: Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani - 13; Lutoslawski: Cello concerto - 13; Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 - 13
t31: Schnittke: Cello Concerto No. 1 - 12; Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor - 12
Seems like a fine list to me, and I'm happy to see the Schoenberg Violin Concerto sneak in there. Even if Mozart didn't take the top spot, there are several of his concertos on the list.
I just wish I had boosted one of the Carter Concertos up there by working with someone else's vote...
These are decidedly "coalition" polls 8)
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 19, 2017, 05:50:43 PM
Thus, the result here simply will not be a list of 'greatest' concertos.
Because that is completely and utterly impossible to create. I just posted 10 of my favourites (note,
not my all-time top 10-in-that-order, again, another thing impossible to do). I absolutely loathe the use of the term "greatest" as it is so often used in classical music circles. It implies that this is a closed club that no one outside of it has any chance of entering whatsoever. The thread title should really be done for Trades Descriptions.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 04:14:13 AM
Completed list! Let the discussions begin!
1: Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 52
2: Berg: Violin Concerto - 42
t3: Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 - 41; Sibelius: Violin Concerto - 41
5: Dvorak: Cello concerto - 37
6: Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 - 36
7: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488 - 34
8: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491 - 30
9: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466 - 29
t10: Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto - 28; Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto - 28
t12: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur - 26; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23 - 26
t14: Brahms: Violin concerto - 25; Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand - 25
16: Elgar : Violin Concerto - 24
17: Elgar - Cello Concerto - 22
18: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595 - 21
19: Alwyn Lyra Angelica - 18
t20: Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") - 18; Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 - 18; Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major - 18
23: Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3 - 17
t24: Schoenberg: Violin Concerto - 16; Shostakovich Cello concerto 1 - 16
t26: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 15; Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)" - 15
t28: Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani - 13; Lutoslawski: Cello concerto - 13; Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 - 13
t31: Schnittke: Cello Concerto No. 1 - 12; Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor - 12
Prokofiev, Berg, Shostakovich, and Sibelius all in the top spots? Hell yeah! Great to see. 8)
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 21, 2017, 05:49:30 AM
Because that is completely and utterly impossible to create. I just posted 10 of my favourites (note, not my all-time top 10-in-that-order, again, another thing impossible to do). I absolutely loathe the use of the term "greatest" as it is so often used in classical music circles. It implies that this is a closed club that no one outside of it has any chance of entering whatsoever. The thread title should really be done for Trades Descriptions.
I'm sorry you didn't like my thread title,
Maestro, but I do appreciate you participating! Thank you! ;D
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 06:50:21 AM
I'm sorry you didn't like my thread title, Maestro, but I do appreciate you participating! Thank you! ;D
I count 20 points for the Schoenberg Violin Concerto: 9 from me (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27381.msg1089279.html#msg1089279), 7 from Trout (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27381.msg1089414.html#msg1089414), and 4 from Mr. Bloom (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27381.msg1090640.html#msg1090640). Did you forget to count the last one?
Quote from: Mahlerian on September 21, 2017, 06:59:53 AM
I count 20 points for the Schoenberg Violin Concerto: 9 from me (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27381.msg1089279.html#msg1089279), 7 from Trout (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27381.msg1089414.html#msg1089414), and 4 from Mr. Bloom (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27381.msg1090640.html#msg1090640). Did you forget to count the last one?
You're right,
Mahlerian! For some reason when I transferred it to the thread I didn't change the Schoenberg.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 08:06:31 AM
You're right, Mahlerian! For some reason when I transferred it to the thread I didn't change the Schoenberg.
Just an honest mistake. Thanks for running these polls!
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 04:14:13 AM
Completed list! Let the discussions begin!
1: Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 52
2: Berg: Violin Concerto - 42
t3: Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 - 41; Sibelius: Violin Concerto - 41
5: Dvorak: Cello concerto - 37
6: Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 - 36
7: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488 - 34
8: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491 - 30
9: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466 - 29
t10: Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto - 28; Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto - 28
t12: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur - 26; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23 - 26
t14: Brahms: Violin concerto - 25; Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand - 25
16: Elgar : Violin Concerto - 24
17: Elgar - Cello Concerto - 22
18: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595 - 21
19: Alwyn Lyra Angelica - 18
t20: Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") - 18; Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 - 18; Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major - 18
23: Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3 - 17
t24: Schoenberg: Violin Concerto - 16; Shostakovich Cello concerto 1 - 16
t26: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 15; Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)" - 15
t28: Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani - 13; Lutoslawski: Cello concerto - 13; Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 - 13
t31: Schnittke: Cello Concerto No. 1 - 12; Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor - 12
Many fans of Berg's concerto, it's quite popular. And now, what will be the next poll
TheGSMoeller?
It's beyond me that K 466 should lose from 488 and 491. :-[
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on September 21, 2017, 01:23:50 PM
And now, what will be the next poll TheGSMoeller?
Great question. Opera? Chamber music? Piano? 8)
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 04:14:13 AM
Completed list! Let the discussions begin!
1: Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 52
2: Berg: Violin Concerto - 42
t3: Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 - 41; Sibelius: Violin Concerto - 41
5: Dvorak: Cello concerto - 37
6: Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 - 36
7: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488 - 34
8: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491 - 30
9: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466 - 29
t10: Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto - 28; Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto - 28
t12: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur - 26; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23 - 26
t14: Brahms: Violin concerto - 25; Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand - 25
16: Elgar : Violin Concerto - 24
17: Elgar - Cello Concerto - 22
18: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595 - 21
19: Alwyn Lyra Angelica - 18
t20: Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") - 18; Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 - 18; Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major - 18
23: Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3 - 17
t24: Schoenberg: Violin Concerto - 16; Shostakovich Cello concerto 1 - 16
t26: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 15; Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)" - 15
t28: Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani - 13; Lutoslawski: Cello concerto - 13; Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 - 13
t31: Schnittke: Cello Concerto No. 1 - 12; Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor - 12
Less embarrassing than I feared. I still will deny membership in GMG if this poll is leaked to the media!
The Mozart fanciers were clearly above such sordid trickery as strategic voting and log-rolling.
Quote from: Ken B on September 21, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
I still will deny membership in GMG if this poll is leaked to the media!
Fake News!
Wow, I never knew how popular Prokofiev's 2nd Piano Concerto was... in fact, I'm not sure if I even know the piece. Will listen immediately.
Quote from: musicrom on September 21, 2017, 07:09:32 PM
Wow, I never knew how popular Prokofiev's 2nd Piano Concerto was... in fact, I'm not sure if I even know the piece. Will listen immediately.
Yes! You must remedy that ASAP! It's a marvelous work. Certainly one of the greatest Russian piano concertos of all-time.
Quote from: Ken B on September 21, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
Less embarrassing than I feared. I still will deny membership in GMG if this poll is leaked to the media!
The Mozart fanciers were clearly above such sordid trickery as strategic voting and log-rolling.
+ 1 on both accounts. :)
Quote from: Christo on September 21, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
It's beyond me that K 466 should lose from 488 and 491. :-[
The middle movement drags it down compared to these two.
But I am actually surprised that the Mozart concerti got in at all. The problem here is usually that the votes tend to be dispersed among too many great works, so none gets enough. A surprise is also that Prokofiev's 2nd piano concerto easily dominates. And that Brahms does comparably poor; I would have expected the violin or the 2nd piano concerto among the top 5.
(The positioning of Elgar, Adams, Alwyn must be another very special GMG oddity....)
Quote from: Jo498 on September 22, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
(The positioning of Elgar, Adams, Alwyn must be another very special GMG oddity....)
Oh, not the
Elgar, which concerti earn their place here easily.
What really surprises me is that Liszt wasn't mentioned at all. At all.
Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 02:57:37 AM
What really surprises me is that Liszt wasn't mentioned at all. At all.
Andrei your inbox in full, so my reaction to your birthday wishes is still waiting :)
Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 02:57:37 AM
What really surprises me is that Liszt wasn't mentioned at all. At all.
It does not surprise me, given the comparative obscurity (as standard rep goes, I mean) of these.
No, the
real surprise is the absence of
Rakhmaninov. This is a snub! 0:)
Snub is not the right word:
six Mozart concerti appear here, but neither the
Rakhmaninov Second or
Third? Rank fetishism! ::) 8) :)
Quote from: Harry's corner on September 22, 2017, 03:17:18 AM
Andrei your inbox in full, so my reaction to your birthday wishes is still waiting :)
Problem solved.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 22, 2017, 03:42:25 AM
It does not surprise me, given the comparative obscurity (as standard rep goes, I mean) of these.
I beg your pardon,
Karl? Do you mean that
Liszt's concertos are not standard repertoire? If you do, I'm greatly puzzled. ???
Quote
No, the real surprise is the absence of Rakhmaninov.
I missed that, here you are absolutely right. :o
And the
shocking surprise is that there's no love at all for
Schumann or
Grieg. ::)
Otoh, let's not take the whole thing too seriously. :laugh:
Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 03:59:56 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 22, 2017, 03:42:25 AM
No, the real surprise is the absence of Rakhmaninov. This is a snub! 0:)
I missed that, here you are absolutely right. :o
And the shocking surprise is that there's no love at all for Schumann or Grieg. ::)
Well, democracy is always right....until it goes against what one thinks, that is ;D
Good day, gentlemen.
Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 03:59:56 AM
I beg your pardon, Karl? Do you mean that Liszt's concertos are not standard repertoire? If you do, I'm greatly puzzled. ???
What I meant was that, within the grand bucket of Standard Rep, the
Liszt concerti are programmed less frequently than many. (Less frequently than any of the
Mozart concerti which made the list? Probably not.)
QuoteOtoh, let's not take the whole thing too seriously. :laugh:
Quite right! :)
Quote
Good day, gentlemen.
Good day, don Rafael!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 22, 2017, 04:22:23 AM
What I meant was that, within the grand bucket of Standard Rep, the Liszt concerti are programmed less frequently than many. (Less frequently than any of the Mozart concerti which made the list? Probably not.)
Quite right! :)
What gets programmed and what doesn't has been an interest of mine for some time; the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, bless their melodious souls, keeps track, annually, of the musical offerings of 89 major American orchestras. Not a surprise - Rachmaninoff fares better on their list than on ours. https://www.bsomusic.org/stories/a-look-at-the-most-performed-works-of-the-2015-2016-season.aspx (Something of a surprise: I was completely unaware that Petrushka was so popularly popular...that is not wrong.)
would be interesting to do this by period. Would Liszt make a poll of greatest Romantic concertos? would Prokofiev's 2nd win a poll of early 20th century concertos? (Hard to imagine that anyone thinks Prokofiev > Bartok). Or John Adams winning a post-war concerto poll?
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 22, 2017, 05:35:39 AM
What gets programmed and what doesn't has been an interest of mine for some time; the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, bless their melodious souls, keeps track, annually, of the musical offerings of 89 major American orchestras. Not a surprise - Rachmaninoff fares better on their list than on ours. https://www.bsomusic.org/stories/a-look-at-the-most-performed-works-of-the-2015-2016-season.aspx (Something of a surprise: I was completely unaware that Petrushka was so popularly popular...that is not wrong.)
Most interesting, thanks!
Quote from: bwv 1080 on September 22, 2017, 05:49:07 AM
(Hard to imagine that anyone thinks Prokofiev > Bartok)
Well, but the g minor piano concerto is mighty strong.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 02:06:18 PM
Great question. Opera? Chamber music? Piano? 8)
The crowd is waiting, as the silence grows so thick that you could slice it with a knife... 0:)
Quote from: North Star on September 28, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
The crowd is waiting, as the silence grows so thick that you could slice it with a knife... 0:)
Thanks for the wake up call,
Karlo!
I'd say a greatest ballet poll wouldn't be a bad idea. :)
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 28, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
I'd say a greatest ballet poll wouldn't be a bad idea. :)
Ah, just started an opera poll, but ballet is a good one and might be a future poll for sure,
John!
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 28, 2017, 06:16:41 PM
Ah, just started an opera poll, but ballet is a good one and might be a future poll for sure, John!
Looking forward to that one for sure! 8)
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 21, 2017, 07:36:06 PM
Yes! You must remedy that ASAP! It's a marvelous work. Certainly one of the greatest Russian piano concertos of all-time.
Listened to Prokofiev's 2nd PC last week, it definitely sounded interesting, but I will need to revisit before it joins my favorite concerti. It took me multiple listens to get his 3rd PC to click, so I'm sure it will be the same here.
Quote from: musicrom on September 29, 2017, 03:29:28 PM
Listened to Prokofiev's 2nd PC last week, it definitely sounded interesting, but I will need to revisit before it joins my favorite concerti. It took me multiple listens to get his 3rd PC to click, so I'm sure it will be the same here.
Excellent! Yes, do keep trying as it's a brilliant work.