Jumping on the bandwagon - can't resist ::)
Only one symphony allowed:
Symphony 6
Sancta Civitas
Job
The Pilgrim's Progress
Dona Nobis Pacem
Hah!
Symphony N° 3 (A Pastoral Symphony)
Mass in g minor
Five Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme of Thos Tallis
Flos campi
Not that there's aught wrong with your five! I wanted to avoid duplication.
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:30:10 PM
Only one symphony allowed:
PFFFTTTT!!!
Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
A Sea Symphony
The Pilgrim's Progress
Scott of the Antarctic
Piano Concerto
Toward the Unknown Region
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
PFFFTTTT!!!
Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
Yippeee! Sgt. Rock - ya' gotta love him.
Quote from: karlhenning on May 05, 2015, 12:33:56 PM
Hah!
Symphony N° 3 (A Pastoral Symphony)
Mass in g minor
Five Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme of Thos Tallis
Flos campi
Great list
Karl.
Quote from: Wanderer on May 05, 2015, 12:51:38 PM
A Sea Symphony
The Pilgrim's Progress
Scott of the Antarctic
Piano Concerto
Toward the Unknown Region
Do you mean the Scott film music or Sinfonia Antartica? Coincidentally was listening to the film score on my drive home from work today (Chandos/Rumon Gamba).
The Piano Concerto is very underrated - I prefer the two piano version.
Quote from: karlhenning on May 05, 2015, 12:33:56 PM
Hah!
Symphony N° 3 (A Pastoral Symphony)
Mass in g minor
Five Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme of Thos Tallis
Flos campi
Yes, the Five Mystical Songs is wonderful - I could easily have included it too.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
PFFFTTTT!!!
Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
Five Variants - a wonderful work which, in some ways it prefer to Tallis Fantasia, great as that is.
Serenade to Music
Symphony #5
Double Piano Concerto
Oboe Concerto
The Lark Ascending
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Serenade to Music
Symphony #5
Double Piano Concerto
Oboe Concerto
The Lark Ascending
Nice to see the double PC getting some support. It is not generally regarded very highly but I am very fond of its craggy appeal.
Tallis Fantasia
Songs of Travel
Hodie Christus natus est (Xmas cantata)
Phantasy (String) Quintet
(I have to re-listen to some symphonies to nominate one of those, emphatically NOT #2, though)
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:57:26 PM
Do you mean the Scott film music or Sinfonia Antartica? Coincidentally was listening to the film score on my drive home from work today (Chandos/Rumon Gamba).
The film music of course (as a work-around of the one-symphony rule? you'll never know;), which I love dearly (as well as
Sinfonia antartica). And that Chandos recording is splendid, indeed.
Quote from: Wanderer on May 05, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
The film music of course (as a work-around of the one-symphony rule? you'll never know;), which I love dearly (as well as Sinfonia antartica). And that Chandos recording is splendid, indeed.
Thanks - I agree.
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 12:54:34 PM
Yippeee! Sgt. Rock - ya' gotta love him.
I am rather lovable ;)
Sarge
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:57:26 PM
The Piano Concerto is very underrated.
It's a great favourite. I don't find the reworking for two pianos (which he did not do all by himself, by the way) as appealing.
8)
In no particular order:
Symphony No. 8
Flos Campi
Job, A Masque for Dancing
The Lark Ascending
Partita for Double String Orchestra
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
8)
In no particular order:
Symphony No. 8
Flos Campi
Job, A Masque for Dancing
The Lark Ascending
Partita for Double String Orchestra
Nice list - second vote for Job. :)
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
Nice list - second vote for Job. :)
Thanks, Jeffrey. Yeah, I've loved
Job right from the opening measures. I just
knew this was going to be a favorite right from the start. I picked
Symphony No. 8 over other favorites like the 3rd through the 6th for the reason that I feel the 8th is not only neglected, but it's one of those symphonies that took me some time to connect with and once I did, it has remained a firm favorite. This work really blows me away.
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Nice to see the double PC getting some support. It is not generally regarded very highly but I am very fond of its craggy appeal.
I think it's reasonable to say that the keyboard was not VW's strongest suit. I never thought much of the
Double either until I heard Menuhin with Broadway and Markham on keyboards (Virgin) - I think I'm virtually alone in liking the rarely heard extra cadenza. VW was a more
experimental composer than most listeners might think and I suspect his biggest fans might actually resent this aspect of him. The
Double is a good example, among other works, of VW "in his lab coat." "Craggy" is a great way to describe it!
Flos Campi --- easy easy first choice
Symphony 5 -- not quite so easy second choice
Five Mystical Songs
Songs of Travel
Suite for viola and small orchestra
Might be a different list on another day. I like S4, Lark, Mass, Job quite a lot too.
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 01:50:40 PM
I think it's reasonable to say that the keyboard was not VW's strongest suit. I never thought much of the Double either until I heard Menuhin with Broadway and Markham on keyboards (Virgin) - I think I'm virtually alone in liking the rarely heard extra cadenza. VW was a more experimental composer than most listeners might think and I suspect his biggest fans might actually resent this aspect of him. The Double is a good example, among other works, of VW "in his lab coat." "Craggy" is a great way to describe it!
I've always liked the
Piano Concerto but I like it's cousin the
Concerto for Two Pianos even more. So this went from a work I merely 'liked' to a work I ended up loving just by adding that extra dimension.
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending
Love that many members here are choosing Flos Campi. I mean this really is one of the most gorgeous works I've ever heard. Viola, orchestra, and a wordless choir plus its written under that stunning lyricism that RVW was known for, how could anyone in their right mind NOT like this work?
*Although James wouldn't like it because RVW isn't 'hip' enough or doesn't break stylistic borders.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 05, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending
Doh! How could I forget the quintet!
Quote from: Ken B on May 05, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
Doh! How could I forget the quintet!
I didn't forget it - it was a contender, for sure!
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 01:50:35 PM
Thanks, Jeffrey. Yeah, I've loved Job right from the opening measures. I just knew this was going to be a favorite right from the start. I picked Symphony No. 8 over other favorites like the 3rd through the 6th for the reason that I feel the 8th is not only neglected, but it's one of those symphonies that took me some time to connect with and once I did, it has remained a firm favorite. This work really blows me away.
I am increasingly appreciating No. 8 too, especially in Jurowski's new recording. I heard No.8 live for the first time on 12th October 1972, Vaughan Williams's 100th birthday (Boult conducting, Festival Hall. London).
Interesting, Jeffrey! The Eighth was an early favorite of mine among the symphonies.
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
London Symphony
Symphony #4
Lark Ascending
Quote from: Wanderer on May 05, 2015, 12:51:38 PM
A Sea Symphony
The Pilgrim's Progress
Scott of the Antarctic
Piano Concerto
Toward the Unknown Region
Big +1 for
Toward the Unknown Region!
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 01:50:40 PM
I think it's reasonable to say that the keyboard was not VW's strongest suit. I never thought much of the Double either until I heard Menuhin with Broadway and Markham on keyboards (Virgin)
That's a great recording. It's coupled with my favorite Fifth.
Sarge
Okay, I thought I must have the two-pf concerto, because Amazon calls this two-fer "Complete Concertos." Amazon is simply purveying misinformation 8)
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Quote from: karlhenning on May 06, 2015, 03:50:43 AM
Okay, I thought I must have the two-pf concerto, because Amazon calls this two-fer "Complete Concertos." Amazon is simply purveying misinformation 8)
The two piano concerto is an adaptation of the piano concerto, which was thought at the time too difficult to play for a single pianist. It's pretty much the same work, so Amazon wasn't wrong.
A few months ago, I listened to pretty much everything RVW wrote in a short period of time. This is the 10 personal favorites that came out of it :
1. Symphony n°6
2. Four poems by Fredegond Shove
3. Symphony n°9
4. The lark's ascending
5. Symphony n°5
6. Four last songs
7. Piano concerto
8. Symphony n°4
9. Riders to the sea
10. String quartet n°2
Flos Campi, Symphony n°8, Five Tudor portraits and the ten blake songs are right behind.
Quote from: Mr Bloom on May 06, 2015, 04:57:24 AM
The two piano concerto is an adaptation of the piano concerto, which was thought at the time too difficult to play for a single pianist. It's pretty much the same work, so Amazon wasn't wrong.
Most interesting, thanks. Well, they weren't
wrong, but they might have been clearer :)
Quote from: springrite on May 06, 2015, 01:40:59 AM
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
London Symphony
Symphony #4
Lark Ascending
You can only pick one symphony, Paul. :)
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 10:26:04 PM
I am increasingly appreciating No. 8 too, especially in Jurowski's new recording. I heard No.8 live for the first time on 12th October 1972, Vaughan Williams's 100th birthday (Boult conducting, Festival Hall. London).
Very nice, Jeffrey. I'll have to check out Jurowski's recording.
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 06, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
You can only pick one symphony, Paul. :)
That is easy.
Fiive Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Oboe Concerto
Symphony #4
Lark Ascending
Symphony no. 5
Tallis Fantasia
On Wenlock Edge
Flos campi
Toward the Unknown Region
Quote from: North Star on May 06, 2015, 06:51:13 AM
Symphony no. 5
Tallis Fantasia
On Wenlock Edge
Flos campi
Toward the Unknown Region
Surely, an impeccable list!
Quote from: Mr Bloom on May 06, 2015, 04:57:24 AM
The two piano concerto is an adaptation of the piano concerto, which was thought at the time too difficult to play for a single pianist. It's pretty much the same work, so Amazon wasn't wrong.
A few months ago, I listened to pretty much everything RVW wrote in a short period of time. This is the 10 personal favorites that came out of it :
1. Symphonie n°6
2. Four poems by Fredegond Shove
3. Symphony n°9
4. The lark's ascending
5. Symphony n°5
6. Four last songs
7. Piano concerto
8. Symphony n°4
9. Riders to the sea
10. String quartet n°2
Flos Campi, Symphony n°8, Five Tudor portraits and the ten blake songs are right behind.
I'm especially interested in your choice of Four Poems by Fredgond Shove. Having listed to Vaughan Williams's music for over forty years I only discovered them a couple of weeks ago when I impulse bought a cheap second hand CD of songs by Vaughan Williams and Rubbra on Amazon. I thought that the song 'Four Nights' from the Shove cycle was absolutely beautiful and haunting and was delighted to discover a new VW work of such appeal.
Riders to the Sea is another haunting and moving score. I am also a great admirer of the a String Quartet No.2 with its echoes of Symphony 6 - his greatest in my view.
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 06, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
You can only pick one symphony, Paul. :)
This message wasn't for me, but I missed that rule ;).
So, my choice of five would be :
Symphony n°6
Four poems by Fredegond Shove
The lark's ascending
Piano concerto
Riders to the sea
Quote from: vandermolen on May 06, 2015, 10:47:47 AM
I'm especially interested in your choice of Four Poems by Fredgond Shove. Having listed to Vaughan Williams's music for over forty years I only discovered them a couple of weeks ago when I impulse bought a cheap second hand CD of songs by Vaughan Williams and Rubbra on Amazon. I thought that the song 'Four Nights' from the Shove cycle was absolutely beautiful and haunting and was delighted to discover a new VW work of such appeal.
I've also discovered recently the Four poems by Fredegond Shove when I listened, in sequence, to everything RVW wrote. I think it's one of his most haunting and subtle piece. It's one of these pieces in which a lot is done with only a few chord sequences, a few notes and a simple melody, nothing fancy or spectacular. The first three songs are just dusky jewels to me.
I also agree on the echoes of symphony 6 in the second string quartet. A great piece, that deserve more acknowledgment than it gets.
Quote from: Mr Bloom on May 06, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
This message wasn't for me, but I missed that rule ;).
So, my choice of five would be :
Symphony n°6
Four poems by Fredegond Shove
The lark's ascending
Piano concerto
Riders to the sea
I've also discovered recently the Four poems by Fredegond Shove when I listened, in sequence, to everything RVW wrote. I think it's one of his most haunting and subtle piece. It's one of these pieces in which a lot is done with only a few chord sequences, a few notes and a simple melody, nothing fancy or spectacular. The first three songs are just dusky jewels to me.
I also agree on the echoes of symphony 6 in the second string quartet. A great piece, that deserve more acknowledgment than it gets.
Totally agree with you. The late, craggy Violin Sonata is another favourite as is the 'Fantasia on the Old 104th'.
Ooff, have played his music for about 40 years - and love it all. Noblesse oblige, as they say; and otherwise I feel obliged as well. :) My desert island choice would be:
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
A Pastoral Symphony (1916-21)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
Partita for Double String Orchestra (1948)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-57)
Edit: Sorry, missed the playing rules! With only one piece per category, I now opt for:
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
Mass in g minor (1922)
Flos Campi for viola, wordless chorus, and small orchestra (1925)
Suite for Pipes (1939)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
Quote from: Christo on May 09, 2015, 03:07:33 AM
Ooff, have played his music for about 40 years - and love it all. Noblesse oblige, as they say; and otherwise I feel obliged as well. :) My desert island choice would be:
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
A Pastoral Symphony (1916-21)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
Partita for Double String Orchestra (1948)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-57)
Edit: Sorry, missed the playing rules! With only one piece per category, I now opt for:
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
Mass in g minor (1922)
Flos Campi for viola, wordless chorus, and small orchestra (1925)
Suite for Pipes (1939)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
'Suite for Pipes' (1939)!! Never heard of it - panicky search of Amazon in process :o
Had I been able to choose more that one Symphony I would definitely have chosen No.9 and the 1913 version of A London Symphony as well as No.6.
Quote from: vandermolen on May 09, 2015, 08:16:07 AM
'Suite for Pipes' (1939)!! Never heard of it - panicky search of Amazon in process :o
Had I been able to choose more that one Symphony I would definitely have chosen No.9 and the 1913 version of A London Symphony as well as No.6.
There are two recordings of the
Suite for Pipes available on CD. One with the Flanders Recorder Quartet - that I like most, but is hard to find nowadays - and one with the Swedish Recorder Quartet:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)(http://direct.rhapsody.com/imageserver/v2/albums/Alb.40598078/images/500x500.jpg)
There's also a less professional recording on Youtube (warning: not on an equal level at all, compared with the two above; but it offers an impression of the music);
https://www.youtube.com/v/K4rfvEmgsUM
Quote from: Christo on May 09, 2015, 09:07:33 AM
There are two recordings of the Suite for Pipes available on CD. One with the Flanders Recorder Quartet - that I like most, but is hard to find nowadays - and one with the Swedish Recorder Quartet:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)(http://direct.rhapsody.com/imageserver/v2/albums/Alb.40598078/images/500x500.jpg)
There's also a less professional recording on Youtube (warning: not on an equal level at all, compared with the two above; but it offers an impression of the music);
https://www.youtube.com/v/K4rfvEmgsUM
Many thanks Johan :)
I had already tracked down three movements of the four on You Tube played by the Swedish group and the complete work (which you kindly posted) which didn't sound too far removed from me playing the recorder at school ???
It is a fine work, very 'Medieval England' in spirit. The second movement was especially lovely. Thanks for alerting me to it.
Another banchetto musicale, compositions from the second half of the 1950s, the composer as an octogenarian, remarkably fruitful years, more adventurous and exploring than ever:
Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-7)
Ten Blake Songs, song cycle for high voice and oboe (1957)
Variations for brass band (1957)
The First Nowell, nativity play (1958)
Quote from: Christo on May 13, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Another banchetto musicale, compositions from the second half of the 1950s, the composer as an octogenarian, remarkably fruitful years, more adventurous and exploring than ever:
Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-7)
Ten Blake Songs, song cycle for high voice and oboe (1957)
Variations for brass band (1957)
The First Nowell, nativity play (1958)
Yes, all great works. The late, craggy, Violin Sonata and the 'Fantasia on the Old 104th' are also favourites of mine.
Quote from: vandermolen on May 09, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
I had already tracked down three movements of the four on You Tube played by the Swedish group and the complete work (which you kindly posted) which didn't sound too far removed from me playing the recorder at school ??? It is a fine work, very 'Medieval England' in spirit. The second movement was especially lovely. Thanks for alerting me to it.
I found the Flanders Recorder Quartet recording of the beautiful 'Intrada' from the
Suite for Pipes as well, on Youtube:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com) https://www.youtube.com/v/wdS1Pf-5-vg
Quote from: Christo on May 15, 2015, 03:16:26 AM
I found the Flanders Recorder Quartet recording of the beautiful 'Intrada' from the Suite for Pipes as well, on Youtube:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com) https://www.youtube.com/v/wdS1Pf-5-vg
thanks very much.
Quote from: Christo on May 15, 2015, 03:16:26 AM
I found the Flanders Recorder Quartet recording of the beautiful 'Intrada' from the Suite for Pipes as well, on Youtube:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com) https://www.youtube.com/v/wdS1Pf-5-vg
Hey! That painting on the right looks very Group of 7, Franklin Carmichael in particular.
Quote from: Ken B on May 15, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Hey! That painting on the right looks very Group of 7, Franklin Carmichael in particular.
So it does! Can't say I noticed that before you said, though, as I haven't studied their works in any depth below the odd 10 minutes of looking at their works & bios online. The colours are very much what was used by them, perhaps Carmichael especially. Can't find the work now, though. There is Cezanne / 1900s Kandinsky-like look to the work (it certainly can't be confused as either artist's work, though), but definitely not the colours. Would be interesting if that work was identified, I didn't find it here (http://www.wikiart.org/en/artists-by-painting-school/group-of-seven).
Quote from: North Star on May 15, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
So it does! Can't say I noticed that before you said, though, as I haven't studied their works in any depth below the odd 10 minutes of looking at their works & bios online. The colours are very much what was used by them, perhaps Carmichael especially. Can't find the work now, though. There is Cezanne / 1900s Kandinsky-like look to the work (it certainly can't be confused as either artist's work, though), but definitely not the colours. Would be interesting if that work was identified, I didn't find it here (http://www.wikiart.org/en/artists-by-painting-school/group-of-seven).
I am 99% sure it's Carmichael and 100% astounded a Finn would recognize that!
Here's a review of a show by Brian Sewell. http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/exhibitions/painting-canada-tom-thomson-and-the-group-of-seven-dulwich-picture-gallery--review-7427192.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/exhibitions/painting-canada-tom-thomson-and-the-group-of-seven-dulwich-picture-gallery--review-7427192.html)
I watched Sewell's Grand Tour. After reeling across the room from accent-shock I eventually found him a congenial host. But his personality is so strong and marked I expect many would not. (I like "provocative old queens" in general.)
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
8)
In no particular order:
Symphony No. 8
Flos Campi
Job, A Masque for Dancing
The Lark Ascending
Partita for Double String Orchestra
Wow...this is still a strong list. All of these works are favorites and I couldn't possibly add/subtract anything to it.
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on January 25, 2017, 08:09:56 PM
I'm not 100% but it includes:
Piano Concerto
London symphony
The Wasps
Sinfonia antartica
Have you explored much of RVW's music, Josh?
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on January 25, 2017, 08:30:16 PM
I guess a fair bit :)
I wish I knew what 'a fair bit' actually meant in your own terms. :-\
Today's List:
Symphony 6
A London Symphony (1913 version)
Symphony 9
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 04:21:47 AM
Today's List:
Symphony 6
A London Symphony (1913 version)
Symphony 9
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos.
I broke my own rule - only one symphony allowed! ::)
Ok, so here goes again:
Symphony 6
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos
Violin Sonata
Fantasia on the Old 104th
So, Jeffery, your favorites have changed in the last 20 months:
Quote from: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Symphony 6
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos
Violin Sonata
Fantasia on the Old 104th
Quote from: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:30:10 PM
Jumping on the bandwagon - can't resist ::)
Only one symphony allowed:
Symphony 6
Sancta Civitas
Job
The Pilgrim's Progress
Dona Nobis Pacem
That's okay. I'm reconsidering mine, too, but will, for now, stick with what I chose the last time you created this thread:
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 27, 2017, 05:11:51 AM
So, Jeffery, your favorites have changed in the last 20 months:
That's okay. I'm reconsidering mine, too, but will, for now, stick with what I chose the last time you created this thread:
I think that this is caused by the difference between 'favourite' and 'greatest'. 'Top...' Is a bit ambiguous but there are so many that I could have chosen. I love Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus - the composer had it played at his funeral.
I haven't explored much Vaughan Williams beyond the symphonies, but here is a list in a rough order of preference
Symphony no. 4
Symphony no. 8
Serenade to Music
Symphony no. 7
Songs of Travel
I had to break the symphony rule because I don't know other works well enough just yet. In time I will update my list.
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Quote from: North Star on January 27, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Outstanding (and balanced) 8)
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Quote from: jessop on January 27, 2017, 01:22:41 PM
I haven't explored much Vaughan Williams beyond the symphonies, but here is a list in a rough order of preference
Symphony no. 4
Symphony no. 8
Serenade to Music
Symphony no. 7
Songs of Travel
I had to break the symphony rule because I don't know other works well enough just yet. In time I will update my list.
I made the rule and then broke it myself! So no problem at all.
Quote from: North Star on January 27, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Nice to see another vote for the late, craggy Violin Sonata.
Quote from: North Star on January 27, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Thumbs up. Great list, Karlo. 8)
Quote from: North Star on January 27, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Yes, great list indeed. The Violin Sonata is doing well in this thread.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 25, 2017, 07:44:47 PM
Wow...this is still a strong list. All of these works are favorites and I couldn't possibly add/subtract anything to it.
Okay, I lied...it's time for an update (in no particular order):
5 Mystical Songs
Flos Campi
A Pastoral Symphony (Symphony No. 3)
Job, A Masque for Dancing
String Quartet No. 2It'll probably change again tomorrow...lol.
Heaps of people are mentioning Flos Campi; I should check that one out.....
What recording is most recommended?
Quote from: jessop on January 30, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
Heaps of people are mentioning Flos Campi; I should check that one out.....
What recording is most recommended?
Check out the Willcocks performance on EMI. I've heard almost all performances of the work and haven't really heard a
bad one yet.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2017, 02:18:41 PM
Check out the Willcocks performance on EMI. I've heard almost all performances of the work and haven't really heard a bad one yet.
Thanks, MI. I haven't heard of Willcocks before...maybe a new discovery there for me as well!
Quote from: jessop on January 30, 2017, 02:23:52 PM
Thanks, MI. I haven't heard of Willcocks before...maybe a new discovery there for me as well!
No problem. Sir David Willcocks was one of the great British choral conductors. He passed away not too long ago (in 2015 I believe).
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- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending
Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel ! >:D )
Quote from: André on January 30, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending
Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel ! >:D )
Cruel indeed. :)
The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains is next on my to-listen-to list. I've got the Matthew Best recording of it on Hyperion. This work must have really meant something to you for it to be considered for your own 'Top 5'.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2017, 07:43:37 PM
Cruel indeed. :) The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains is next on my to-listen-to list. I've got the Matthew Best recording of it on Hyperion. This work must have really meant something to you for it to be considered for your own 'Top 5'.
Indeed. I bought the Hyperion disc when it came out (nice cover, nice titles, varied program). It was my first non symphonic VW disc (symphonies, Job, Tallis Fantasia). What I like about it is the music of course, but also the compactness of the work: evry time I listen to it, it leaves me wanting for more.
If you know VW's Pilgrim's Progress, you'll know what to expect:
Shepherds was composed first, then incorporated (Act IV, scene 2) into that opera.
Quote from: André on January 31, 2017, 04:17:43 AM
Indeed. I bought the Hyperion disc when it came out (nice cover, nice titles, varied program). It was my first non symphonic VW disc (symphonies, Job, Tallis Fantasia). What I like about it is the music of course, but also the compactness of the work: evry time I listen to it, it leaves me wanting for more.
If you know VW's Pilgrim's Progress, you'll know what to expect: Shepherds was composed first, then incorporated (Act IV, scene 2) into that opera.
Very nice! I've only heard
The Pilgrim's Progress once, but I plan on listening to it again rather soon. Do you like the Boult on EMI or Hickox on Chandos or both? I'm probably going to listen to the Boult.
I have the Boult - twice: it appears in 2 different big boxes ::). VW has used and re-used both score and music in different works. I love the Bunyan Sequence (64 minutes). I actually listened to that a lot more often than the whole opera (or 'Morality Play', as VW called it).
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zd2aujH7L.jpg)
Apparently Amazon sells used copies for 0.01$ !
https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW (https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW)
Quote from: André on January 31, 2017, 09:28:05 AM
I have the Boult - twice: it appears in 2 different big boxes ::). VW has used and re-used both score and music in different works. I love the Bunyan Sequence (64 minutes). I actually listened to that a lot more often than the whole opera (or 'Morality Play', as VW called it).
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zd2aujH7L.jpg)
Apparently Amazon sells used copies for 0.01$ !
https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW (https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW)
Great CD.
Quote from: André on January 31, 2017, 09:28:05 AM
I have the Boult - twice: it appears in 2 different big boxes ::). VW has used and re-used both score and music in different works. I love the Bunyan Sequence (64 minutes). I actually listened to that a lot more often than the whole opera (or 'Morality Play', as VW called it).
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zd2aujH7L.jpg)
Apparently Amazon sells used copies for 0.01$ !
https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW (https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW)
Yep, I own all of Matthew Best's RVW recordings, but I haven't listened to the one you posted above. Will have to check it out at some point, but I really want to hear the whole opera since it's been so long since I've last heard it.
Time to change up my list a bit:
Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 08, 2017, 06:28:11 AM
Time to change up my list a bit:
Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
I would very much agree but might substitute Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus for the Tallis Fantasia and might have to include the Pilgrim's Progress and the Violin Sonata somewhere.
Quote from: vandermolen on February 11, 2017, 01:12:40 AM
I would very much agree but might substitute Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus for the Tallis Fantasia and might have to include the Pilgrim's Progress and the Violin Sonata somewhere.
The thing about creating a RVW list, Jeffrey, is nothing is really set in stone, so there's no doubt these could change yet again and soon. :) I do love
5 Variants on 'Dives and Lazarus', although I might choose his
Concerto Grosso or
Partita (which coincidently I have chosen before), but the majestic quality of the
Tallis Fantasia has more recently put me under it's spell.
Symphony No. 3
Serenade to Music
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Lark Ascending
Flos Campi
Quote from: Dee Sharp on February 11, 2017, 07:52:41 AM
Symphony No. 3
Serenade to Music
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Lark Ascending
Flos Campi
A fine list full of ethereal beauty.
Another little gem in RVW's oeuvre that seems to go unnoticed is Two Hymn-Tune Preludes, which is absolutely gorgeous in it's simplicity and directness.
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 11, 2017, 07:56:28 PMAnother little gem in RVW's oeuvre that seems to go unnoticed is Two Hymn-Tune Preludes, which is absolutely gorgeous in it's simplicity and directness.
Even more so in the hands of Bryden Thomson (one of the many reasons his cycle for Chandos proved such a revelation when they appeared one by one in the 1980s):
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Quote from: Mirror Image on February 11, 2017, 07:56:28 PM
Another little gem in RVW's oeuvre that seems to go unnoticed is Two Hymn-Tune Preludes, which is absolutely gorgeous in it's simplicity and directness.
One of the Three Welsh Hymn Tune Preludes (Rhosymedre) was played at my wedding.
Quote from: Christo on February 11, 2017, 10:31:14 PM
Even more so in the hands of Bryden Thomson (one of the many reasons his cycle for Chandos proved such a revelation when they appeared one by one in the 1980s):
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bziRSEChL._SS500.jpg)
Indeed, Johan. Thomson's cycle is still one of my favorites. Thomson had much command on the podium and the stunning sound from Chandos made this cycle a win/win for me. I wish I had bought his cycle individually looking back, but I own the set of symphonies and the companion set of concerti and other orchestral works. Hickox also recorded a gorgeous performance of
Two Hymn-Tune Preludes.
Quote from: vandermolen on February 12, 2017, 03:25:15 AM
One of the Three Welsh Hymn Tune Preludes (Rhosymedre) was played at my wedding.
Beautiful, Jeffrey. I love that work as well, which is subtitled
"Household Music", correct?
There's still VW that has not been recorded yet. Maybe it's the best yet...
1.) Serenade to Music (to think that VW himself was at Cornell University and heard this work performed only 100 miles or so from where I used to live...too young to appreciate it anyway :'()
2.) Symphony #5
3.) Oboe Concerto
4.) Flos Campi
5.) Phantasy Quintet
With the Sea Symphony as my lagniappe. Hey John, what think ye of Hickox's 5th?
Quote from: vandermolen on February 12, 2017, 03:25:15 AMOne of the Three Welsh Hymn Tune Preludes (Rhosymedre) was played at my wedding.
:-[ I had it played at my wedding too. :D
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 06:10:41 AM
Beautiful, Jeffrey. I love that work as well, which is subtitled "Household Music", correct?
You're referring at
Household Music: Three Preludes on Welsh Hymn Tunes for string quartet or other instruments (1941): 1. Fantasia, Crug-y-bar; 2. Scherzo, St. Denio; 3. Variation, Aberystwyth - which I prefer to hear in its version for string orchestra, recorded by Hickox for Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FQRD7118L._SX355_.jpg)
Rhosymedre, at the other hand, is one of the
Three Preludes founded on Welsh Hymn Tunes (1920) for organ: 1. Bryn Calfaria, 2. Rhosymedre, 3. Hyfrydol; the two latter pieces also arranged for orchestra by Arnold Foster.
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on February 12, 2017, 06:29:50 AM
There's still VW that has not been recorded yet. Maybe it's the best yet...
1.) Serenade to Music (to think that VW himself was at Cornell University and heard this work performed only 100 miles or so from where I used to live...too young to appreciate it anyway :'()
2.) Symphony #5
3.) Oboe Concerto
4.) Flos Campi
5.) Phantasy Quintet
With the Sea Symphony as my lagniappe. Hey John, what think ye of Hickox's 5th?
I don't like Hickox's 5th --- it feels somehow rushed and he somehow feels detached from the musical proceedings. It's been several years since I've heard but those were my initial impressions. Maybe my opinion has changed? I still believe Previn and Thomson have the best Fifths, but there have been other great performances. Now, the question thrown back at you: what do you think of Hickox's 5th?
P.S. Great list!
Quote from: Christo on February 12, 2017, 06:53:08 AM
You're referring at Household Music: Three Preludes on Welsh Hymn Tunes for string quartet or other instruments (1941): 1. Fantasia, Crug-y-bar; 2. Scherzo, St. Denio; 3. Variation, Aberystwyth - which I prefer to hear in its version for string orchestra, recorded by Hickox for Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FQRD7118L._SX355_.jpg)
Rhosymedre, at the other hand, is one of the Three Preludes founded on Welsh Hymn Tunes (1920) for organ: 1. Bryn Calfaria, 2. Rhosymedre, 3. Hyfrydol; the two latter pieces also arranged for orchestra by Arnold Foster.
Ah okay, sorry for the mix-up, which is easy to do given both titles have the words: three, preludes, Welsh, hymn, and tunes in their titles. ::) :)
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 06:57:16 AMAh okay, sorry for the mix-up, which is easy to do given both titles have the words: three, preludes, Welsh, hymn, and tunes in their titles. ::) :)
Let's add the 1955
Prelude on Three Welsh Hymn Tunes for brass band (1. Ebenezer; 2. Calfaria; 3. Hyfrydol) to the confusion then. ;)
Quote from: Christo on February 12, 2017, 07:16:09 AM
Let's add the 1955 Prelude on Three Welsh Hymn Tunes for brass band (1. Ebenezer; 2. Calfaria; 3. Hyfrydol) to the confusion then. ;)
;D
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 06:54:50 AM
I don't like Hickox's 5th --- it feels somehow rushed and he somehow feels detached from the musical proceedings. It's been several years since I've heard but those were my initial impressions. Maybe my opinion has changed? I still believe Previn and Thomson have the best Fifths, but there have been other great performances. Now, the question thrown back at you: what do you think of Hickox's 5th?...
I like it rather better than you seem to, John, but it is not a fave. Chandos engineering excels brilliantly on that disc, but the reason I cherish it is for the other works on it.
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on February 13, 2017, 04:46:59 AM
I like it rather better than you seem to, John, but it is not a fave. Chandos engineering excels brilliantly on that disc, but the reason I cherish it is for the other works on it.
Yeah, I listened to Hickox's 5th yesterday and I wasn't really taken with the performance. A great performance, IMHO, is one that pulls you with it and you're left hanging on every measure. Needless to say, I didn't feel that way with the Hickox. The sound quality is excellent without a doubt, though.
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2017, 06:22:13 AM
Yeah, I listened to Hickox's 5th yesterday and I wasn't really taken with the performance. A great performance, IMHO, is one that pulls you with it and you're left hanging on every measure. Needless to say, I didn't feel that way with the Hickox. The sound quality is excellent without a doubt, though.
I listened to it again as well and (your influence, no doubt! :) ;D :laugh:) like it less than I did before. It seems terribly self-conscious, deliberate, even forced in its dramatic effects. I was, yet again, thrilled with that Chandos sound, which - usually - I love anyway. Moving to the other works on that disc and I think I may as well make it a VW day.
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on February 13, 2017, 09:29:53 AM
I listened to it again as well and (your influence, no doubt! :) ;D :laugh:) like it less than I did before. It seems terribly self-conscious, deliberate, even forced in its dramatic effects. I was, yet again, thrilled with that Chandos sound, which - usually - I love anyway. Moving to the other works on that disc and I think I may as well make it a VW day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that about the Hickox. ;) Previn with the LSO is a performance of the 5th that grips me from the onset. RVW
must be performed with a driven purpose in order for me to be fully convinced even it's in the more atmospheric works like
A Pastoral Symphony or
Flos Campi. These kind of works especially need a helping hand or in this case, a baton. :) A lot of the newer performances of RVW seem to be lacking a certain magic like, for example, Andrew Davis' newest recording on Chandos of
Job and
Symphony No. 9, which didn't displace any of my long-standing favorites.
A first listen to Dona nobis pacem. Viciously beautiful and epic
Dona nobis pacem
Symphony No. 2 (revised versión [unpopular opinion?])
Concerto grosso
Serenade to music (16 vocal soloists and orchestra)
Job
Some other fantastic alternatives:
-Symphony No. 4
-Phantasy String Quintet
-Towards the Unknown Region
-Flos campi
-Five variants of Dives and Lazarus
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on August 11, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
A first listen to Dona nobis pacem. Viciously beautiful and epic
Dona nobis pacem
Symphony No. 2 (revised versión [unpopular opinion?])
Concerto grosso
Serenade to music (16 vocal soloists and orchestra)
Job
Some other fantastic alternatives:
-Symphony No. 4
-Phantasy String Quintet
-Towards the Unknown Region
-Flos campi
-Five variants of Dives and Lazarus
Very interesting. I love many composers, but RVW holds a special place ever since I came under his spell when I was 14, 15. Of the ten compositions you mention, only the last two -
Flos Campi and the
Five Variants - would be among my absolute favourites, though, of course, love them all. ;) To illustrate these minors differences a bit:
- the London Symphony is for me not in the same league as Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; in short, not among my favourite symphonies, because I find the first and fourth movement less convincing (but love the two middle ones). As Vandermolen, I prefer the original, 1914 version, because that compensates for this structural weakness with an abundancy of colour. You are right. :)
- As to
Dona Nobis Pacem: I love it, and was lucky enough to hear it performed three times; and live it works best IMHO. Yet, RVW himself preferred
Sancta Civitas (1925), as I do, and I also have a week spot for
The Sons of Light (1950) and especially for the naive Christmas oratorio
Hodie (1954) (all of his Christmas cantatas/similar are terrific, from the ballet
On Christmas Night (1926) to his moving final work, the nativity play
The First Nowell (1958).)
- Unlike Vandermolen, who will no doubt respond with appropriate horror ;), I totally agree with you about the ethereal beauty of the
Serenade to Music (1938). It's worth reminding that the poet held the same opinion:
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved by this sweet serenade,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted. >:D
Quote from: Christo on August 12, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
- the London Symphony is for me not in the same league as Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; in short, not among my favourite symphonies, because I find the first and fourth movement less convincing (but love the two middle ones). As Vandermolen, I prefer the original, 1914 version, because that compensates for this structural weakness with an abundancy of colour. You are right. :)
Well, it does not necessarily mean that his is the
unpopular opinion; only that at present, there are two votes against his one 0:)
(I do not as yet have a preference for one over the other.)
Quote from: Christo on August 12, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
Very interesting. I love many composers, but RVW holds a special place ever since I came under his spell when I was 14, 15. Of the ten compositions you mention, only the last two - Flos Campi and the Five Variants - would be among my absolute favourites, though, of course, love them all. ;) To illustrate these minors differences a bit:
- the London Symphony is for me not in the same league as Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; in short, not among my favourite symphonies, because I find the first and fourth movement less convincing (but love the two middle ones). As Vandermolen, I prefer the original, 1914 version, because that compensates for this structural weakness with an abundancy of colour. You are right. :)
- As to Dona Nobis Pacem: I love it, and was lucky enough to hear it performed three times; and live it works best IMHO. Yet, RVW himself preferred Sancta Civitas (1925), as I do, and I also have a week spot for The Sons of Light (1950) and especially for the naive Christmas oratorio Hodie (1954) (all of his Christmas cantatas/similar are terrific, from the ballet On Christmas Night (1926) to his moving final work, the nativity play The First Nowell (1958).)
- Unlike Vandermolen, who will no doubt respond with appropriate horror ;), I totally agree with you about the ethereal beauty of the Serenade to Music (1938). It's worth reminding that the poet held the same opinion:
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved by this sweet serenade,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted. >:D
Great illustration. What I have with the Nr. 2 is very emotional. It was the first work I heard of VW, since that moment I fell in love with his music, completely hooked, and I had to collect his other 8 magnific examples of the form. That situation happens with other composers and works, there are emotions in between. I think I haven't listened to something I didn't like of his vast output.
On the other hand, you are very lucky having attended several performances of
Dona nobis pacem! :)
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on August 12, 2017, 04:30:02 PM
On the other hand, you are very lucky having attended several performances of Dona nobis pacem! :)
No kidding!
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 05, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending
Going to have to replace one with RVW's 5th Symphony, been listening to it a lot the past year. And for a bonus, the Nashville Symphony is performing the 5th in early 2018, so I can add it to my list of RVW pieces I've seen live!
Can't believe that Christo's still rambling on about 'Serenade to Music' :o 8) ??? ;)
Today's favourites are or remain:
Symphony 6 (really look forward to hearing the Elder recording)
Symphony 9 (Stokowski)
Job (Boult EMI or either Decca version)
Dona Nobis Pacem (liked that old Ormandy recording)
Pilgrim's Progress
Alternative Five
Violin Sonata
Fantasia on the Old 104th
Violin Sonata
A London Symphony (1913 version or 1920 version - not 1936 version which IMHO does not include the best bit at the Epilogue)
Symphony 5 (Barbirolli/EMI).
At the current moment, I'd have to go with:
A London Symphony (no. 2)
Symphony no. 6
Symphony no. 9
Job
Phantasy Quintet
Quote from: kyjo on September 12, 2017, 03:40:46 PM
At the current moment, I'd have to go with:
A London Symphony (no. 2)
Symphony no. 6
Symphony no. 9
Job
Phantasy Quintet
Great choices with which I largely agree. I would opt for the 1913 or 1920 version of A London Symphony (a new version of the 1920 is coming out on Hyperion soon). I can no longer listen to the 1936 version without being acutely aware of the missing section at the end which partially ruins it for me.
I'd also opt for the late, craggy Violin Sonata or SQ No.2 rather than the eloquent Phantasy Quintet. Totally agree on the symphonic choices.
The Phantasy Quintet has been mentioned repeatedly. I know I have it, but when I went through the big VW box on EMI it didn't catch my attention (I see it's buried on disc 13). Time for a reassessment !
Quote from: André on September 13, 2017, 05:12:41 AM
The Phantasy Quintet has been mentioned repeatedly. I know I have it, but when I went through the big VW box on EMI it didn't catch my attention (I see it's buried on disc 13). Time for a reassessment !
It's very good Andre.
:)
Thankfully I read the OP before posting this. Only one symphony allowed. Righty then...
Sinfonia antartica
Tallis Fantasia
Dona nobis pacem
Job
Piano Concerto
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 13, 2017, 06:18:17 AM
Thankfully I read the OP before posting this. Only one symphony allowed. Righty then...
Oops...I completely missed that ::) Sorry, Jeffrey ;D
Quote from: André on January 30, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending
Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel ! >:D )
I haven't changed my list one bit, but submit the following as very acceptable substitutes:
- Symphony no 6
- Five Mystical Songs
- Five Tudor Portraits
- Hodie
- Serenade to Music
And Flos Campi of course !
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 13, 2017, 06:18:17 AM
Thankfully I read the OP before posting this. Only one symphony allowed. Righty then...
Sinfonia antartica
Tallis Fantasia
Dona nobis pacem
Job
Piano Concerto
I've seen much support for
Dona nobis pacem. Such an awesome setting of poignant texts.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on September 13, 2017, 08:19:31 PMI've seen much support for Dona nobis pacem. Such an awesome setting of poignant texts.
What strikes me, is that so many
different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia. 8)
Quote from: Christo on September 13, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
What strikes me, is that so many different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia. 8)
Hey, you bet ! Few XXth Century composers have run as diverse a workshop as RVW. Only the solo instrument medium seems to have escaped his protean interest. A comprehensive yet still stingy list would contain a minimum of 15 items !
Quote from: Christo on September 13, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
[...] apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia. 8)
But, that is indeed one exquisite score 0:)
Quote from: Christo on September 13, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
What strikes me, is that so many different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia. 8)
Of course, His
oeuvre is vast, including practically all forms. There is plenty to choose from. I like the
Tallis Fantasia a lot, but I didn't include it in my list. BTW,
Sancta Civitas may be in another new list. This guy was very talented, I'm more and more amazed. There is none composition I don't like.
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 08, 2017, 06:28:11 AM
Time to change up my list a bit:
Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
I'm still quite happy with this list of mine overall, but I'd probably substitute
Symphony No. 6 with
Symphony No. 5.
Here is my 'alternative' top VW five list.
Fantasia on the Old 104th Psalm Tune - I've always loved craggy work for piano, choir and orchestra.
Pilgrim's Progress - possibly his masterpiece - I've been very lucky to see it live twice
String Quartet No.2 'For Jean on Her Birthday' - occupies the same sound world as Symphony 6
Scott of the Antarctic Film Music - just released in its entirety on Dutton for the first time - very atmospheric and I'm fascinated by Captain Scott's doomed expedition to the South Pole.
Epithalamion - a late neglected oratorio. I even had a nice exchange by letter with Ursula Vaughan Williams about it (she wrote the libretto). It's a really lovely, gentle work. Do listen to it if you like VW's music - I often play it.
If I exclude the Scott music I'd included 'An Oxford Elegy' for narrator and orchestra which I like very much. I've noticed that all the works I've chosen are comparatively late VW compositions.
Another great, lesser known, work is the short bleak but moving one act Opera 'Riders to the Sea'.
Quote from: vandermolen on September 14, 2017, 05:06:57 PMHere is my 'alternative' top VW five list.
Another five 'great, but lesser-known':
Three Portraits from
The England of Elizabeth (1955) - orchestra
The Bridal Day, a Masque (1938) - even finer in this original version IMO than the cantata
Epithalamion that RVW made of it
Variations for Brass Band (1957)
Suite for Pipes (1939) - recorder quartet
Four Hymns for Tenor and Strings (1912)
No order:
The Lark Ascending
Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis
Symphony #8
Symphony #3, "A Pastoral Symphony"
Toward The Unknown Region
Quote from: Conor71 on September 15, 2017, 01:44:51 AM
No order:
The Lark Ascending
Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis
Symphony #8
Symphony #3, "A Pastoral Symphony"
Toward The Unknown Region
A strong list!
Quote from: vandermolen on September 14, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
Epithalamion - a late neglected oratorio. I even had a nice exchange by letter with Ursula Vaughan Williams about it (she wrote the libretto). It's a really lovely, gentle work. Do listen to it if you like VW's music - I often play it.
I do need to revisit this.
Quote from: Christo on September 14, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
Another five 'great, but lesser-known':
Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955) - orchestra
The Bridal Day, a Masque (1938) - even finer in this original version IMO than the cantata Epithalamion that RVW made of it
Variations for Brass Band (1957)
Suite for Pipes (1939) - recorder quartet
Four Hymns for Tenor and Strings (1912)
Great list. Must look out for 'The Bridal Day'. The Brass Band Variations is featured on the forthcoming CD of A London Symphony (1920 Version) on Hyperion. Another lesser-known work that I really like is the Concerto for Two Pianos.
Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:04:26 AM
Lovely gentle late night music Karl.
I loaded all the
RVW which I had converted to "soft copy" onto my phone, but I must not yet have converted this CD,
Jeffrey! Must remedy that this weekend!
Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AMMust look out for 'The Bridal Day'.
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of
Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of
An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that
Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard
The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the
Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also
Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).
Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AMThe Brass Band Variations is featured on the forthcoming CD of A London Symphony (1920 Version) on Hyperion.
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any
really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do. 8)
Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AMAnother lesser-known work that I really like is the Concerto for Two Pianos.
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/984/MI0000984306.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Quote from: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do. 8)
Damn. The
Veranda remains a dangerous place.
Quote from: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do. 8)
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/984/MI0000984306.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Yes, I prefer the two piano version - probably because I came to know the work through the Vronsky/Babin/Boult LP coupled with Symphony 8 and featuring that wonderful late painting of VW by Sir Gerald Kelly (not completed until after the composer's death - in 1961). The painting is held by the National Portrait Gallery in London although not on display. ::) :'( :(
I think that version more significantly emphasises the percussive qualities of the piano which are a characteristic feature of the work.
That Chandos CD is excellent in all respects as I love both works and it features a lesser-known photo of the composer in old age.
Today's list (and keeping with the one symphony per list rule) in no particular order -
Symphony No. 4
Flos campi
Sancta Civitas
Romance for viola & piano
On Wenlock Edge
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 24, 2019, 08:06:10 PM
Today's list (and keeping with the one symphony per list rule) in no particular order -
Symphony No. 4
Flos campi
Sancta Civitas
Romance for viola & piano
On Wenlock Edge
Ok here goes :):
Symphony 8 (I like this more and more)
Sancta Civitas
Epithalamion
Three Portraits from the England of Elizabeth
Job
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
Symphony 8 (I like this more and more)
Played it again yesterday and decided, once again, that I really cannot choose between symphonies Nos. 3, 5, 6, 8 and 9 - all staunch favourites as soon as I hear them. ;D
Quote from: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do. 8)
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/984/MI0000984306.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
I agree that the original Brass Band version of the Variations is the one to go for HOWEVER the recent Brabbins/Royal College of Music "Brass Band" in no way sounds like a proper brass band - very well played though it is. It sounds like orchestral players "playing" at brass band. For the authentic sound allied to supreme virtuosity in this work look no further than Black Dyke here.....
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available for pence 2nd hand and the whole programme is excellent not just the RVW. It really is a completely different league.........
EDIT: Something about this ensemble didn't sound right to me - when did a Conservatoire provide 'specialist' training for brass band?.... never when I was at one for sure!
So I checked out the RCM website and indeed they offer a plethora of ensembles and orchestras for their students to participate in..... but no brass band is listed - www.rcm.ac.uk/life/preparingforprofession/ensembles/ . So, as I thought, this is an ensemble of (very good) brass players from the College but in no way is it a brass band. You only need to listen to a minute of this performance to know that but it irks me a little that Hyperion have 'faked' a name. I guess it made for a cheap filler - I doubt they paid MU rates for that recording.......
For the moment -
A London Symphony (Final version)
Dona nobis pacem
Tallis Fantasia
The Pilgrim's Progress
Serenade to Music
Edit: Possibly replace the Serenade with Job; five is not enough
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
Ok here goes :):
Symphony 8 (I like this more and more)
Sancta Civitas
Epithalamion
Three Portraits from the England of Elizabeth
Job
Symphony No. 8 is an astonishing piece, Jeffrey. I remember reading that when RVW played it back for some friends on piano that one of them wondered if it would have been better suited to call the work a sinfonietta instead of a symphony to which RVW replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "I don't care what you say! This is a symphony!" It's an unusual work in the RVW canon and I wonder if people who don't like it, which I can't imagine many fans of his music disliking it, whether they've given the work the proper amount of time to sink in? It took me a bit of time to understand
Flos campi even though I was enchanted from start to finish.
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 25, 2019, 05:49:06 AM
Symphony No. 8 is an astonishing piece, Jeffrey. I remember reading that when RVW played it back for some friends on piano that one of them wondered if it would have been better suited to call the work a sinfonietta instead of a symphony to which RVW replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "I don't care what you say! This is a symphony!" It's an unusual work in the RVW canon and I wonder if people who don't like it, which I can't imagine many fans of his music disliking it, whether they've given the work the proper amount of time to sink in? It took me a bit of time to understand Flos campi even though I was enchanted from start to finish.
The Symphony I listen to least often and with least pleasure in the RVW canon. Too much "trying things out" - I'm not convinced by the wind-only/strings only movements. I still quite like it - but I find it the least impressive of an impressive cycle...... the work that engages RVW's head more than his heart.......
Quote from: Biffo on May 25, 2019, 01:33:43 AM
For the moment -
A London Symphony (Final version)
Dona nobis pacem
Tallis Fantasia
The Pilgrim's Progress
Serenade to Music
Edit: Possibly replace the Serenade with Job; five is not enough
You and I are in the immense minority in preferring the
London, and in its final version. I like that version the most for its succinctness (I haven't tried the 1920 version, though). In the 1913 version I felt the 4th movement was a bit overlong for its material. Your other choices can easily are on my list, except
The Pilgrim's Progress (not heard yet).
Quote from: André on January 30, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending
Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel ! >:D )
No change!
I would then add symphonies 3-6 for a full 10 best list.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on May 25, 2019, 06:03:33 PM
You and I are in the immense minority in preferring the London, and in its final version. I like that version the most for its succinctness (I haven't tried the 1920 version, though). In the 1913 version I felt the 4th movement was a bit overlong for its material. Your other choices can easily are on my list, except The Pilgrim's Progress (not heard yet).
I, too, like the revised
London even more than the original 1913. The 1920, however, is a great success in the hands of Brabbins. You definitely need to seek out his recording on Hyperion. It's coupled with fantastic performance of
Variations for brass band.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 05, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending
4 years later and still going strong. Although I would be willing to replace
Serenade with the
Thomas Tallis Fantasia. Can't deny the seductive power of the
Fantasia for too long.
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 26, 2019, 06:25:40 AM
I, too, like the revised London even more than the original 1913. The 1920, however, is a great success in the hands of Brabbins. You definitely need to seek out his recording on Hyperion. It's coupled with fantastic performance of Variations for brass band.
That idea has been around my head lately. Probably I'll succumb to the temptation.
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 26, 2019, 06:25:40 AM
I, too, like the revised London even more than the original 1913. The 1920, however, is a great success in the hands of Brabbins. You definitely need to seek out his recording on Hyperion. It's coupled with fantastic performance of Variations for brass band.
Very much my view on A London Symphony. I can't listen to the last movement of the 1936 version (much as I'm enjoying Bryden Thompson's recording of it at the moment) without being acutely aware of the poetic and very moving section that VW excised just before the end - one cut too many as far as I'm concerned. So I tend to stick with the 1920 version especially in Brabbins's recording.
Currently:
Symphony no. 2 A London Symphony
Piano Quintet
String Quartet no. 2
On Wenlock Edge
Five Mystical Songs
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
Symphony No.4
Tuba Concerto
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
Job
I don't often change my lists and, in fact, I still love the two Fantasias I crossed out, but the one is slight (and not wholly VW's) and the Tallis I've simply overdosed on in the half century I've known it. The F minor Tuba Concerto fits neatly with the F minor Symphony and Job, well, it's a balletic masterpiece.
Sarge
Quote from: kyjo on May 27, 2019, 12:51:27 PM
Currently:
Symphony no. 2 A London Symphony
Piano Quintet
String Quartet no. 2
On Wenlock Edge
Five Mystical Songs
All great choices Kyle - could have been my list as well!