"Abandoning Islam for a life in porn." :-X
https://spectator.us/2018/08/abandoning-islam-for-a-life-in-porn/
Going the way of Evangelicalism, then.
An intelligent and interesting article.
I thought this was gonna be a lame atheistic anti-Islam rant but instead this was entertaining, thanks ;D
Quote from: Jackman on August 08, 2018, 01:58:10 AM
I thought this was gonna be a lame atheistic anti-Islam rant but instead this was entertaining, thanks ;D
I have to say that I don't buy the sex positive angle, it does not quite "entertain" and thus is lame. This leads me to question the reference to atheism, Jewish or not. I'll tell you what it looks like to me, a characteristic rebound from abuse.
Quote from: drogulus on August 08, 2018, 04:39:31 AM
I have to say that I don't buy the sex positive angle, it does not quite "entertain" and thus is lame. This leads me to question the reference to atheism, Jewish or not. I'll tell you what it looks like to me, a characteristic rebound from abuse.
Not religion-specific, you mean? Yes, you do have a good point.
Quote from: Jackman on August 08, 2018, 01:58:10 AM
I thought this was gonna be a lame atheistic anti-Islam rant but instead this was entertaining, thanks ;D
Yes, that was my thought as well.
Quote from: drogulus on August 08, 2018, 04:39:31 AM
I have to say that I don't buy the sex positive angle, it does not quite "entertain" and thus is lame. This leads me to question the reference to atheism, Jewish or not. I'll tell you what it looks like to me, a characteristic rebound from abuse.
Not to mention revenge against the parents! A great deal of anger in the young lady, I would say!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 08, 2018, 04:44:54 AM
Not religion-specific, you mean? Yes, you do have a good point.
I'm always religion specific when it's needed and appropriate, as you well know. My point was not that she didn't have the reasons she had to flee an abusive cult, I know where the burden of proof lies in such cases. My point is that the validity of the need to escape does not rationalize anything done after.
Quote from: drogulus on August 08, 2018, 05:22:28 AM
I'm always religion specific when it's needed and appropriate, as you well know. My point was not that she didn't have the reasons she had to flee an abusive cult, I know where the burden of proof lies in such cases. My point is that the validity of the need to escape does not rationalize anything done after.
That is
also a good point. Wish the Trumpkins understood that.
It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.
Quote from: André on August 08, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.
Precisely!
Quote from: André on August 08, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'.
My critique doesn't require this to be false. In fact I assume that it is true enough to be said, but that there is a larger context within which she has made an inferior choice.
It's just the usual strawman arguments.
I feel sorry for this woman and hope she comes to her senses that this is yet another form of debasement.
High cultures elevated the status of women and motherhood, honored and respected them.
In the West, the process of equality under the law has been long and difficult over 2000 years but the veneration of Mary and medieval courtly love helped to push it along.
Quote from: André on August 08, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.
Having thought more about it I largely agree with this exceptionally perceptive analysis.
Quote from: André on August 08, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.
Quote from: Cato on August 08, 2018, 07:31:12 AM
Precisely!
Quote from: vandermolen on August 09, 2018, 01:17:03 AM
Having thought more about it I largely agree with this exceptionally perceptive analysis.
I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.
Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.
Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.
Quote from: Ken B on August 09, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.
Quote from: Madiel on August 09, 2018, 07:06:59 AM
Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.
Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.
I think she predicted this reaction near the beginning of her article. For myself, I feel as though if she is doing what makes her happy, no matter what reaction anyone else might have about it, then I am pleased for her. Only she can know if she is truly happy. If she is, why judge that by any standard of happiness but her own? Or why judge it at all?
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Quote from: Ken B on August 09, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.
Quote from: Madiel on August 09, 2018, 07:06:59 AM
Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.
Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on August 09, 2018, 07:41:54 AM
I think she predicted this reaction near the beginning of her article. For myself, I feel as though if she is doing what makes her happy, no matter what reaction anyone else might have about it, then I am pleased for her. Only she can know if she is truly happy. If she is, why judge that by any standard of happiness but her own? Or why judge it at all?
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+3
I am not pro-religion nor anti-religion; not pro-porn nor anti-porn; I'm for freedom in all matters and liberty to live as we wish.
More power to her.
I think the purpose of starting a thread on this article was to invite comments. It is very successful.
Absolutely. It is interesting to see how opinions can be polar opposite, even among people with similar backgrounds and life experiences. Although I am never sure why Abe starts a thread, since he is always so provocative with his topics and titles... :)
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Quote from: Madiel on August 09, 2018, 07:06:59 AM
Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.
Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.
That's not my point. Someone might say that, though. My point is that if an action is free it doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with it. I also think that it would be strange to assert we should stop making judgments because we have made strong judgments in favor of an ideal of freedom.
Quote from: Ken B on August 09, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.
Ken B - good stuff. In fact, so good, that on behalf of that woman I'd like to buy you a drink - although truth be told I'd much prefer to buy her a drink. In any case, bravo.
Quote from: drogulus on August 09, 2018, 09:27:28 AM
That's not my point. Someone might say that, though. My point is that if an action is free it doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with it. I also think that it would be strange to assert we should stop making judgments because we have made strong judgments in favor of an ideal of freedom.
In this case, the rightness or wrongness of her choice is based on your own (doubtless well-considered) opinion of sex work as a profession. It isn't really germane to the discussion, since she clearly doesn't care what you think of her choice of a profession, only of the fact that she was able to make her own choice.
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In a religion where choice for women is severely limited, this woman has thrown off the shackles and is doing things her way. Her mind is now her own and she clearly states that. For any of us to surmise that she is psychologically flawed and that her decisions are flawed as a result is both insulting to her and presumptuous by us. Good on her I say.
The crux of the matter, which has not been addressed by anyone is, is she really free ? If you are a libertarian, real and absolute individual freedom of choice is essential.
She may write, tweet and sing 'I am free' all day long, nobody can validate that. Not that she needs any validation from anyone, that's really beside the point. The simple fact that she felt the need to go public makes me wonder « Why » ?
How do you know it hasn't been addressed by anyone? - you don't know that. But a clue might be that not everyone who has addressed any aspect of that article will then grasp any opportunity to show how much they love the sound of their own voice.
As for her own voice, her motive(s), here's my best guess - it's about publicity which will then lead to money. Along with whatever else she is, she's business woman. Some people will do and say just about anything for money.
e: I'd love to see any of you judge or even second guess a man in the same situation the same way. The irony is you wouldn't have the balls to do it.
You're the one playing Judge Judy, now ;).
How do we know she's free now? Well, she hasn't been stoned to death, but she would have been before. That's a clue. ::)
Seriously. What reason has anyone got, given, or imagined for doubting her word, or the sincerity implicit in the way she conducts her life. I need a bigger eye roll emoji!
Quote from: André on August 09, 2018, 01:04:14 PM
You're the one playing Judge Judy, now ;).
I'm not judging her. I'm not judging anyone. I'm pronouncing you and the others as being Internet dilettantes who arrogantly believe they have some insight into a person based on a click bait titled piece of fluff.
And that 'wink' emoticon? - I'd tell you to ram it up your arse, but there's obviously not enough room with your own head already residing up there.
On third thoughts I guess that if she is truly happy and fulfilled with her life that is the most important thing.
Quote from: André on August 09, 2018, 08:59:30 AM
I think the purpose of starting a thread on this article was to invite comments. It is very successful.
The heading of the thread was most definitely clickbait, and succeeded.
Quote from: André on August 09, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
The crux of the matter, which has not been addressed by anyone is, is she really free ?
Is that the crux of the matter?
I think the crux of the matter is that a woman who is into sex, pornography and BDSM gets these questions in a way that every other human being who is probably similarly influenced by their environment and upbringing isn't.
I think if she'd settled down with a nice accountant and become a housewife and soccer Mom, no-one would ask whether she made independent choices or was just reacting against her past, because then she would have fallen into the exact same kind of "normal" existence that you're all comfortable with.
I note that BDSM is reported to be a rather common kink in anonymous surveys. It's just that most people don't talk about it. Instead they go and make 50 Shades of Grey a massive best seller and hope that no-one finds out they're reading it.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on August 09, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
In this case, the rightness or wrongness of her choice is based on your own (doubtless well-considered) opinion of sex work as a profession. It isn't really germane to the discussion, since she clearly doesn't care what you think of her choice of a profession, only of the fact that she was able to make her own choice.
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What I'm reacting to is what I consider a false dichotomy of the kind often seen in conflicts of an ideological nature between absolutists.
An example would be "Islam is an evil dictatorship, evil dictatorships control people through sex prohibitions, a free society lets you be a porn star, a free society is good, therefore what it allows is good, especially since an evil dictatorship says it's bad."
My critique may have been prompted by happy porn star assertions, it's only related to that, not that. It's the reasoning I'm after. I'm not targeting the happy porn star life as much as I'm targeting the reactive thinking around the happy porn star assertion. I'm seeing odd defenses of her thoughts about her choice to defend the freedom of her choice, which I defend, too, without making the dubious assumption that what is free is good.
Quote from: drogulus on August 10, 2018, 05:43:18 AM
I'm not targeting the happy porn star life as much as I'm targeting the reactive thinking around the happy porn star assertion.
Your starting point was to say that it looked to you like a "characteristic rebound from abuse".
How is THAT not reactive thinking? It doesn't seem to be based on much evidence.
And what followed was not so much an assertion of knee-jerk positivity about porn, as a response to what seemed to be a knee-jerk negativity about it. In other words, what you're "targeting" only appeared in this thread as a way of questioning why you and several others immediately jumped the way that you did.
I'm not asserting that she must be happy. I'm questioning what basis you have to deny her own evidence that she is.
Quote from: Madiel on August 10, 2018, 05:47:31 AM
Your starting point was to say that it looked to you like a "characteristic rebound from abuse".
How is THAT not reactive thinking? It doesn't seem to be based on much evidence. And what followed was not so much an assertion of knee-jerk positivity about porn, as a response to what seemed to be a knee-jerk negativity about it.
I can defend freedom and say what a free choice looks like at the same time. People do bad free things all the time, we all do, and if living in a free society really did disable any independent thought about actions and justifications I seriously doubt any sane person would bother to write a Federalist paper.
If this is not geo-blocked (which it may be, let me know), people might be interested to watch the second half of this show. By sheer coincidence I watched it tonight. It was aired a few weeks ago. Australia's most award-winning porn star.
https://7plus.com.au/andrew-denton-interview?episode-id=IVEW01-014
Quote from: drogulus on August 10, 2018, 05:56:20 AM
I can defend freedom and say what a free choice looks like at the same time. People do bad free things all the time, we all do, and if living in a free society really did disable any independent thought about actions and justifications I seriously doubt any sane person would bother to write a Federalist paper.
So in essence this is not for you about whether you believe she's truly happy, but whether you believe she's doing something bad (despite being happy while doing it)?
I'm not sure exactly what your measure of "bad" is then. Bad for her? Or just bad according to your own moral code?
If it's the latter, then part of freedom would be that your opinion of her lifestyle would be of limited value. But if it's the former you'd need to explain what makes it bad, and a description of the circumstances that led her there doesn't qualify.
Quote from: Madiel on August 10, 2018, 05:59:07 AM
So in essence this is not for you about whether you believe she's truly happy, but whether you believe she's doing something bad (despite being happy while doing it)?
I'm not sure exactly what your measure of "bad" is then. Bad for her? Or just bad according to your own moral code?
I don't see what "truly happy" beliefs or "truly bad" actions have to do with my argument, which is about whether an action that might be judged harmful can't be judged at all if it's deemed free, as people here are trying to assume while at the same time critiquing my argument an principles they think they are denying.
I freely make an argument, and freely made it's beyond criticism because if you criticize it freedom is undermined. If so, what's the point of freedom?
Quote from: vandermolen on August 09, 2018, 11:57:43 PM
On third thoughts I guess that if she is truly happy and fulfilled with her life that is the most important thing.
As with smoking, we have been presented with mucho lies having to do with sexuality, like the Happy Hooker and Never on Sunday. The truth is more like the 2nd act of Traviata when the father tells Violetta that her looks are not going to last forever. I don't think most of you guys would like to marry a woman who has been passed around a lot or her body has been oogled at for a profession. It will be a sad day when she comes to the realization herself.
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on August 10, 2018, 06:28:06 AM
As with smoking, we have been presented with mucho lies having to do with sexuality, like the Happy Hooker and Never on Sunday. The truth is more like the 2nd act of Traviata when the father tells Violetta that her looks are not going to last forever. I don't think most of you guys would like to marry a woman who has been passed around a lot or her body has been oogled at for a profession. It will be a sad day when she comes to the realization herself.
I don't think any of the poor justifications made by people who take the stereotypical sides hold up all that well.
I said I thought Yasmeena Ali used a poor justification for her choice and I thought that would be the point to discuss. While I recognize and contributed to how the choice would be poor in itself this is so widely agreed to outside the present context as to be uninteresting.
I'm a little irked that the bad choice itself gets smuggled back into a discussion I thought was about the soundness of her justification for it.
Quote from: drogulus on August 10, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
I don't think any of the poor justifications made by people who take the stereotypical sides hold up all that well.
I said I thought Yasmeena Ali used a poor justification for her choice and I thought that would be the point to discuss. While I recognize and contributed to how the choice would be poor in itself this is so widely agreed to outside the present context as to be uninteresting.
I'm a little irked that the bad choice itself gets smuggled back into a discussion I thought was about the soundness of her justification for it.
What makes you think she was justifying her course to you?
I won't even ask why you think she has to.
Quote from: drogulus on August 10, 2018, 06:22:20 AM
I don't see what "truly happy" beliefs or "truly bad" actions have to do with my argument, which is about whether an action that might be judged harmful can't be judged at all if it's deemed free, as people here are trying to assume while at the same time critiquing my argument an principles they think they are denying.
I freely make an argument, and freely made it's beyond criticism because if you criticize it freedom is undermined. If so, what's the point of freedom?
As far as I can see you haven't made ANY argument about why you've judged an action harmful. You've just gone ahead and done it. For me to criticize your argument I'd have to have some notion that you had one rather than a bald assertion. It's in fact the LACK of an argument that I have the most problem with.
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on August 10, 2018, 06:28:06 AM
I don't think most of you guys would like to marry a woman who has been passed around a lot or her body has been oogled at for a profession.
Yes, because men like to buy new instead of second-hand. ::)
Women are people. Not objects that get "passed around a lot". You wouldn't describe a man who had sex with lots of women as being "passed around a lot".
12 Years A Slave by Solomon Northup
An escaped slave justifies his course. Really not much in the way of an argument, he just claims to so much happier free.
OOPS, thought this was the Reading Now thread.
Quote from: Madiel on August 10, 2018, 07:31:41 AM
Yes, because men like to buy new instead of second-hand. ::)
Women are people. Not objects that get "passed around a lot". You wouldn't describe a man who had sex with lots of women as being "passed around a lot".
Guess what? There are irreducible differences between the sexes, no matter what political correctness would like us to believe. I know this because of what my adult sons say, like what they suddenly blurt out with. It is not as though they were brought up conservatively. They had ample freedom to choose what they wanted to do or think. I still try not to interefere. Their thinking or perception about certain things is different from mine because they are men. Full stop.
I prefer my women to arrive vacuum packed and hermetically sealed with a legible 'Best Used Before' date. And while I'm fussy about the aesthetic of the packaging, allowances will be made if they're OEM.
As for women being ogled at for their looks, I've had relationships with and dated models, dancers and actresses, and all of them have benefitted from their appearance via men (or women) looking at them and feeling pleasure. Isn't nature wonderful?
Quote from: drogulus on August 10, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
I don't think any of the poor justifications made by people who take the stereotypical sides hold up all that well.
I said I thought Yasmeena Ali used a poor justification for her choice and I thought that would be the point to discuss. While I recognize and contributed to how the choice would be poor in itself this is so widely agreed to outside the present context as to be uninteresting.
I'm a little irked that the bad choice itself gets smuggled back into a discussion I thought was about the soundness of her justification for it.
Are you now or have you ever been a porn star? If not then everything you know about that lifestyle is hearsay, and not definitive.
I think it ought to be obvious that she is happy with her choice, to the point of questioning it to be uninteresting.
Quote from: NikF on August 10, 2018, 08:02:25 AM
I prefer my women to arrive vacuum packed and hermetically sealed with a legible 'Best Used Before' date. And while I'm fussy about the aesthetic of the packaging, allowances will be made if they're OEM.
As for women being ogled at for their looks, I've had relationships with and dated models, dancers and actresses, and all of them have benefitted from their appearance via men (or women) looking at them and feeling pleasure. Isn't nature wonderful?
30 years ago Christie Brinkley was begging me for it, begging, but I told her the ogling bothered me and she slunk off in shame.
Quote from: Ken B on August 10, 2018, 08:15:06 AM
30 years ago Christie Brinkley was begging me for it, begging, but I told her the ogling bothered me and she slunk off in shame.
;D
'Uptown Girl'? - yeah, right... >:(
Quote from: Ken B on August 10, 2018, 07:21:13 AM
What makes you think she was justifying her course to you?
I won't even ask why you think she has to.
I don't know who she had in mind. My concern is with kinds of arguments and reasons for making them.
Quote from: Madiel on August 10, 2018, 07:27:55 AM
As far as I can see you haven't made ANY argument about why you've judged an action harmful.
We weren't talking about that so I didn't feel like bringing it up. We could have a thread about substantive determinations of right and wrong and how it applies the way we use it in daily life. Mostly people would agree on basics, me too of course. Then people think they should get on a high horse and say their own determinations of right or wrong aren't grounded because something about democracy. Why the reversal? How can you know something in real life and undercut it in a debate?
This is stupid, the whole point is that she has the right to make choices, good or bad, something denied to her in traditional Islam
what would happen to an average woman in a Muslim country if it became publicly known that she became a porn star?
To be clear, I think it's more than justified that people make vigorous and even harsh judgements about the views I express, without prejudice to whether they are any good or not. It helps me make my point. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/tongue.gif)
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 10, 2018, 10:48:49 AM
This is stupid, the whole point is that she has the right to make choices, good or bad, something denied to her in traditional Islam
what would happen to an average woman in a Muslim country if it became publicly known that she became a porn star?
That's another good subject. We should fight for justice (see how judgmental I am!) without resort to stupid arguments about where we get ideas of right and wrong, even though we all know it's not a question put in doubt by a freedom concept. It won't stop you or me, so let's not pretend it does.
While we are disabling our own standards of right or wrong shouldn't we at least pause long enough to consider what will be left to fight for the rights of Muslim women, including the freedom to be a porn star, if we knock out our own judgments?
There are powerful judgments that need to be protected. I recommend doing that.
Check her credentials?! Hell, I'd allahu her akbar! 8)
"this is Christianity in a nutshell"
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Quote from: zamyrabyrd on August 10, 2018, 07:47:57 AM
Guess what? There are irreducible differences between the sexes, no matter what political correctness would like us to believe. I know this because of what my adult sons say, like what they suddenly blurt out with. It is not as though they were brought up conservatively. They had ample freedom to choose what they wanted to do or think. I still try not to interefere. Their thinking or perception about certain things is different from mine because they are men. Full stop.
Guess what?
This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the topic, unless you believe that women can't enjoy being porn stars but men can.
Also, I'm gay which much just blow your conception of the world to smithereens.
Check her credentials?! Hell, I'd open her sesame! 8)
Quote from: Madiel on August 10, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
Guess what?
This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the topic, unless you believe that women can't enjoy being porn stars but men can.
Also, I'm gay which much just blow your conception of the world to smithereens.
Sure, it's a great life parading around in one's birthday suits.
Air-conditioning should be a requirement with all that sweating, not to mention loads of perfume.
Honestly, this is mostly just sex industry propaganda. Being a hooker or a porn performer or a stripper or whatever isn't glamorous or liberating, it's mostly drudgery, like working in hospitality except with a lot more body maintenance and less free food. Don't believe the hype. >.> The main appeal of the job is that you can make a full day's salary in one or two hours, whereas minimum wage full time jobs like hospitality don't cover the cost of living in most of the world. Realistically though, you might not get that one or two hours every day—let alone more than that—and there are a lot of overheads. I imagine once she decides she has enough money, this person will either exit the industry and try to get a salaried job, or attempt to transition into the mainstream film industry, where the money is a lot bigger.
Check her credentials?! Hell, I'd omar her sharif! 8)