I once mentioned (on the old forum, I think) the excellent Yuri Laniuk disc that was released by the Polish label CD Accord some years ago:
(http://www.cdaccord.com.pl/images/covers/054.jpg) (http://merlin.pl/Yuri-Laniuk-Chant-pour-un-Equinoxe_Jerzy-Artysz-Yuri-Laniuk-Lwowska-Sinfonietta/browse/product/4,189400.html;jsessionid=F3A7BF1E03E69D7311011B0EC4CA83BC.LB2)
Got no response back then, maybe now is a better time for Ukrainian composers on GMG?
(Also, there's this thread: Valentin Silvestrov, a genius or a lot of the same notes in different wraps? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,377.0.html))
I didn't notice this thread and posted about Boris Lyatoshinsky (a fine composer in my view) in the Russian/Soviet Composer thread..apologies.
Lyatoshinsky's brooding melancholy appeals to me :-[
Not to be forgotten: Sergei Bortkiewicz, whose works are in the vein of Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff, and our contemporary Valentin Silvestrov, whose meditative aspects are perhaps more necessary in a world that needs meditation.
Silvestrov! I knew I was forgetting someone! ::) (And Johan doesn't believe in my senior moments...)
I've added a link to the appropriate thread in my first post.
(Incidentally, the English Wikipedia has Szymanowski in the Ukrainian composers category... ::))
Quote from: Maciek on July 15, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
Silvestrov! I knew I was forgetting someone! ::) (And Johan doesn't believe in my senior moments...)
I've added a link to the appropriate thread in my first post.
(Incidentally, the English Wikipedia has Szymanowski in the Ukrainian composers category... ::))
Szymanowski was born in Tymoszowka which is in the Ukraine today. It is, of course, a tricky one. His parents were Polish but the estate was in what was then part of the Russian Empire. That, presumably, meant that he was born a Russian citizen. Vainberg/Weinberg-now is he Polish(born Warsaw, capital of independent Poland in 1919) or Russian? Poland-as you know well-did not exist as an independent country again until after World War One. Where does that place Polish composers born prior to 1919. Is nationality defined by language or by state boundaries?
Oh..by the way...just to avoid any doubt...Szymanowski was Polish :)
The problem with naming Ukrainian composers, like with other former soviet composers, is that we are belatedly calling them by their new identity in many cases. I see no person calling Stalin a Georgian, for instance, nor Richter as Ukrainian or German.
Anyway, the only one I am familiar with is Lyatoshinsky. He is indeed a wonderful composer. I am sure there are others I know and have in my collection who are of Ukrainian origin. But unless they are living composers, I don't necessarily think of them as Ukrainian.
Silvestrov is an interesting composer combining dissonance and serialism with an incredible melodiousness that cuts to the heart.
I have a recording of his 6th Symphony but I am told that the 5th is the one to hear being descrbed by one critic as the finest Russian (sic) symphony since Shostakovich.
Oh dear, we've been down this road so many times on this forum... ::) Here, let me go over the facts once more: The Soviet Union was not a homogeneous "country"! It was made up of republics. People born in the Ukrainian SSR were referred to as Ukrainians. People born in the Georgian SSR were referred to as Georgians. People born in the Lithuanian SSR were referred to as Lithuanians. Etc. Etc. Etc. ETC.
I don't quite see where Joseph Stalin fits into this. He was born in 1878 in fact, but none of the above would have any bearing on his case even if he had been born later: I have never encountered a source which would claim something contrary to the fact that Stalin was a Georgian. He may be referred to as a "Russian/Soviet ruler" but that does not contradict his Georgian birth. Clearly, the words are used in two different meanings.
As for Szymanowski, whether he was born on Tymoszówka or on Mars makes little difference. One of my grandfathers was born in Germany - so what? His (my grandfather's) parents were living and working there at the time. The Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania were all, for lack of a better word, "colonized" by Poland (incidentally, for a great part of history Lithuania and Belarus were one and the same "country" - here it was probably Lithuania who was the "colonizer"). There were thousands of Poles living there, Polish culture was the dominant one. (A bit off topic: Educated people in those countries did not usually know their "national" languages. Čiurlionis, the Lithuanian national composer, learned Lithuanian only as an adult! His first languages were Polish and Russian. There are lots and lots of similar examples. Incidentally, this also shows that one's language does not have to say anything about one's nationality.)
As for the non-existence of Poland for great periods of time in the past (the entire 19th century, for example), it is a non-issue.
And don't tell me to lighten up. I'm tired, I have work to do, I don't have time to lighten up! >:(
(And anyway, these issues are so often misconceived it won't hurt to restate how things stand just one more time. $:))
Quote from: Maciek on July 22, 2008, 10:33:51 AM
Oh dear, we've been down this road so many times on this forum... ::) Here, let me go over the facts once more: The Soviet Union was not a homogeneous "country"! It was made up of republics. People born in the Ukrainian SSR were referred to as Ukrainians. People born in the Georgian SSR were referred to as Georgians. People born in the Lithuanian SSR were referred to as Lithuanians. Etc. Etc. Etc. ETC.
I don't quite see where Joseph Stalin fits into this. He was born in 1878 in fact, but none of the above would have any bearing on his case even if he had been born later: I have never encountered a source which would claim something contrary to the fact that Stalin was a Georgian. He may be referred to as a "Russian/Soviet ruler" but that does not contradict his Georgian birth. Clearly, the words are used in two different meanings.
As for Szymanowski, whether he was born on Tymoszówka or on Mars makes little difference. One of my grandfathers was born in Germany - so what? His (my grandfather's) parents were living and working there at the time. The Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania were all, for lack of a better word, "colonized" by Poland (incidentally, for a great part of history Lithuania and Belarus were one and the same "country" - here it was probably Lithuania who was the "colonizer"). There were thousands of Poles living there, Polish culture was the dominant one. (A bit off topic: Educated people in those countries did not usually know their "national" languages. Čiurlionis, the Lithuanian national composer, learned Lithuanian only as an adult! His first languages were Polish and Russian. There are lots and lots of similar examples. Incidentally, this also shows that one's language does not have to say anything about one's nationality.)
As for the non-existence of Poland for great periods of time in the past (the entire 19th century, for example), it is a non-issue.
And don't tell me to lighten up. I'm tired, I have work to do, I don't have time to lighten up! >:(
(And anyway, these issues are so often misconceived it won't hurt to restate how things stand just one more time. $:))
Wouldn't dream of telling you "to lighten up" ;) These are interesting issues and you have made many perfectly valid points. You will-I hope and trust-concede that it is not always possible to keep oneself fully aware of all of the issues which have been discussed before on this forum. I apologise if I have entered territory which has already been fought over on many other occasions :-[
We can-at least-agree that Szymanowski was a great Polish composer and that he was definitely not born on Mars :)
Forgetting Stalin(one wishes that one could!), do you have an opinion on Vainberg/Weinberg? In most of my sources he is listed as a Russian composer yet he was, of course, born in Warsaw to a Jewish family, was educated in Poland and did not leave the country until he was 20.
Does it matter? No more than whether or not Szymanowski should be listed under 'Ukrainian Composers' :)
Sorry, I was feeling rather testy that day. ::) Had been recently reading a lot about the 1943 Volhynia massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Poles_in_Volhynia) (not on Wikipedia, but I'm giving the link so you can get some idea of what I'm talking about): people disemboweled and/or skinned alive (and salted!), little children (infants) torn apart or buried alive, or nailed to the ground, people cut into pieces with saws. Dear God, just making that list makes me feel paralyzed...
20% of the entire Polish population living in Ukraine at that time was killed. Of course, Polish-Ukrainian relations prior to that terrible genocide were uneasy to say the least, and neither side had a "clean slate". But, OTOH, can any "buildup of tension" justify such an atrocity? (Poles killed Ukrainians in that region too, and I don't see any justification for that either.) I don't see a problem with putting these matters aside when dealing with modern issues, but can't think of any reason why they should be forgotten. (Not discussing with anyone at GMG at the moment - these are just random thoughts about the predominant attitude in Poland, where everyone seems to be thinking that publishing books about the subject etc. might actually undermine Polish-Ukrainian relations ??? - which, incidentally, are today perhaps better than they ever were).
Anyway, if Szymanowski happened to still be alive and living in Volhynia at that time, I'm absolutely sure he wouldn't be spared. So calling him a "Ukrainian composer" seems... well, a bit inappropriate. Though maybe I have a stilted view of these things. I'm certainly no expert.
I think the discussions I mentioned earlier were mostly on the old (now defunct) forum, and even if it was here, they certainly took place quite a long time ago.
Anyway, re Weinberg, I really don't have a formed opinion. Of course, in Poland he's usually referred to as a Polish composer. ;D One of the arguments being that he went through a lot of pains to "get back" his original name: Mieczysław (and not Moishei). This, I understand, was quite a feat in Soviet Russia, and actually required a bit of courage (not sure why exactly - it probably wasn't "well seen" to be underlining one's "Polish background" when one was so lucky as to be a Soviet citizen!). He certainly never cut himself off from his Polish roots. But, unlike Tansman, for example, he didn't brag left and right about really being a Pole. But that may have been his prudence, not reluctance. I really don't know all that much about his personal life and opinions. His wife was Russian, so there was nothing "unnatural" in his choosing to live there. He was a fully grown man when he left Poland, so I guess it's reasonable to call him a Polish composer...?
Quote from: Maciek on July 26, 2008, 03:06:37 AM
Anyway, if Szymanowski happened to still be alive and living in Volhynia at that time, I'm absolutely sure he wouldn't be spared. So calling him a "Ukrainian composer" seems... well, a bit inappropriate.
Damn! I just realized how stupid that line of reasoning is. Not only did I vulgarly equate the UPA with all Ukrainians, but I also appropriated the UPA's preposterously "monochromatic" view of who was and wasn't a Ukrainian! I'm sorry if anyone got irritated by that. Obviously, there were millions of Ukrainians who did not take part in the Volhynia massacre, lots of Ukrainians probably helped Poles stay alive during that time. What's more, it is highly likely that many of the "Poles" killed then felt a sort of "double affinity" - to both Poland and Ukraine. In fact, it is not completely impossible that some of them felt Ukrainian and not Polish...
So, having acquired this new outlook, I now don't find it all that
preposterous to call Szymanowski a "Ukrainian" composer. I do still feel it is be stretching the term more than a bit, and simply is not true, but at least I don't find it as ridiculous. To my credit. ;D ;D ;D
(He did spend a significant portion of his life trying to develop a
Polish style of music. Don't think he ever was interested in Ukrainian folklore that way.)
Thank you very much for your extremely thoughtful and insightful responses!
I read the link to the Volhynia massacre with mounting horror and disgust :( I know that this is not the place to discuss these matters in depth much further but I can understand the depth of your feeling about what happened at that time. I am a History graduate and taught the subject in schools for over thirty years. The Second World War is a subject of particular interest to me and I have read a good deal about Eastern Europe during the war. What occurred is truly unimagineable but-and here I agree wholeheartedly with you-should never be forgotten. It was not the easiest thing that I ever did to take a party of awed, extremely subdued and, ultimately, shocked and upset school pupils to visit Auschwitz but I do not regret doing so.
Turning away from that, I am very interested in what you say about Weinberg. Arthur Benjamin and Malcolm Williamson were two Australian composers who settled in Great Britain, spent most of their lives here and died here. Yet both are still regarded as Australian
composers. Weinberg gets classified as Russian! Odd.
How to classify Igor Markevitch? He was Ukrainian, born in Kiev, but left for Switzerland at the age of 2, later lived in Paris then in Italy, took Italian citizenship and died at Antibes. His formative years were spent in France and what I heard of his music sounds mostly French.
Quote from: Drasko on July 26, 2008, 05:00:30 AM
How to classify Igor Markevitch? He was Ukrainian, born in Kiev, but left for Switzerland at the age of 2, later lived in Paris then in Italy, took Italian citizenship and died at Antibes. His formative years were spent in France and what I heard of his music sounds mostly French.
Pass :)
Quote from: Maciek on July 26, 2008, 03:43:06 AM
So, having acquired this new outlook, I now don't find it all that preposterous to call Szymanowski a "Ukrainian" composer. I do still feel it is be stretching the term more than a bit, and simply is not true, but at least I don't find it as ridiculous.
Well, I'm currently "parallel-reading" 2 relatively recent Szymanowski monographs (Zieliński's from 1997 and Chylińska's, which came out in November) and what I'm learning confirms my earlier impression that there's really no way Szymanowski can be considered a Ukrainian. In fact, my earlier reticence, caution, chariness, prudence, what have you about Szymanowski's nationality seems utterly silly to me now. Laudable in view of the fact that there were many things I didn't know about Szymanowski, his life, his views and his family back then. But silly when stood beside the information I now have. Calling Szymanowski a Ukrainian composer would be disingenuous, to put it extremely mildly. Frankly - it would be ridiculous. He came from an extremely patriotic Polish family and held similar views himself. There was't even the slightest hint of the "double affinity" I mentioned back in July.
Now, with that minor quibble settled, we could perhaps give this thread a new start and discuss the
real Ukrainian composers... ;D Anyone?
Quote from: Maciek on January 26, 2009, 12:15:20 PM
Now, with that minor quibble settled, we could perhaps give this thread a new start and discuss the real Ukrainian composers... ;D Anyone?
Coincidentally I listened to some Silvestrov last night: the Cello Sonata. (What a weird, surreal piece)
Quote from: Maciek on July 15, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
(Incidentally, the English Wikipedia has Szymanowski in the Ukrainian composers category... ::))
Sorry to come back to this, but the Wiki lists anyone who ever lived in Ukraine as Ukrainian, which casts the net very wide indeed. They list Prokofiev as a "Ukrainian composer" for example.
Prokofiev was born in the Ukraine, correct? We're both his parents Russian, though?
When I saw the last name Silvestrov, for a long time just seeing the name - I had initially thought that he was a Latin American composer. ;D
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 02, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
Prokofiev was born in the Ukraine, correct? We're both his parents Russian, though?
Well yeah - he was a Russian from Ukraine, like a lot of other people.
Lyatoshinsky. Correct me if I got the spelling wrong. Am I alone in feeling that it's about time his symphonies got some attention from a recording label in the West. Ok,they can be a bit loud and unsubtle at times,but theres a power and a feeling of melancholy there,which makes up for most of his shortcomings. Not a great composer,but he deserves to be better known.
Coming soon - all excellent in my opinion:
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Just been listening to 'Grazhyna' perhaps his masterpiece - a powerful, searching and eloquent score.
Here's another Ukrainian on the rise via Naxos:
[asin]B00NWZITA8[/asin]
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1520769966/image.jpg)
http://composers21.com/compdocs/stankovy.htm (http://composers21.com/compdocs/stankovy.htm)
I've listened to half the Lyatoshynsky series so far this week.
Symphony No 1: an enjoyable rehash of Gliere's Third, with lots of clear references to that work. Premiered by Lyatoshynsky's composition teacher...Gliere.
Grazhyna: interesting tone poem that starts and ends with Dies Irae reference by the violas.
Symphony No 2: moving into a more modern language, with crashing dark climaxes.
Quote from: Brian on October 21, 2014, 07:20:48 PM
I've listened to half the Lyatoshynsky series so far this week.
Symphony No 1: an enjoyable rehash of Gliere's Third, with lots of clear references to that work. Premiered by Lyatoshynsky's composition teacher...Gliere.
Grazhyna: interesting tone poem that starts and ends with Dies Irae reference by the violas.
Symphony No 2: moving into a more modern language, with crashing dark climaxes.
Interesting. No 3 is generally regarded as the best but I enjoy them all. I was on holiday in Wales in the summer and in a stately home shop they had the radio on and I was so much enjoying what was being broadcast that I stayed until the end to find out what it was - it was Grazhyna which I had on Marco Polo but had only played once and had not realised how good it is. Some say it is Lyatoshinsky's masterpiece. I have played it a lot since hearing it on the radio. The Naxos is the Marco Polo series reissued.
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 21, 2014, 05:54:47 PM
Here's another Ukrainian on the rise via Naxos:
[asin]B00NWZITA8[/asin]
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1520769966/image.jpg)
http://composers21.com/compdocs/stankovy.htm (http://composers21.com/compdocs/stankovy.htm)
John, I am very tempted by this - what is the style like please?
Quote from: vandermolen on October 22, 2014, 01:02:49 AM
John, I am very tempted by this - what is the style like please?
I couldn't tell you, Jeffrey. He's a new composer for me.
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 22, 2014, 05:56:04 AM
I couldn't tell you, Jeffrey. He's a new composer for me.
Ok thanks John. If you get the CD please let us know.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 22, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
Ok thanks John. If you get the CD please let us know.
I listened to his
Symphony No. 1 on YouTube a little while ago actually and thought very little of it. Reminds me too much Penderecki and, of course, I'm not a fan of his music. If he was closer to Schnittke, then I would be onboard with his style, but it's only one work I heard, so I can't really give a fair and accurate picture of the composer at the moment.
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 22, 2014, 06:28:45 PM
I listened to his Symphony No. 1 on YouTube a little while ago actually and thought very little of it. Reminds me too much Penderecki and, of course, I'm not a fan of his music. If he was closer to Schnittke, then I would be onboard with his style, but it's only one work I heard, so I can't really give a fair and accurate picture of the composer at the moment.
Very many thanks John. I partly expected that as I think that I did hear some of his music before and was rather disappointed. Maybe I should stick with Lyatoshinsky! :)
My daughter is working in the Ukraine for nine months so I thought I'd revive this thread. I have recently been enjoying Lyatoshinsky's (Lyatoshynsky's) Third Symphony and Grazhyna. I want to get to know Symphony 1 better as some sources consider that the best one. His style is a bit like Miaskovsky, Tubin and Ivanovs as rough guides.
Any views on Lyatoshinsky or other Ukrainian composers?
Quote from: vandermolen on January 09, 2017, 12:04:01 AM
My daughter is working in the Ukraine for nine months ....
Hopefully far to the west??
Quote from: Scion7 on January 09, 2017, 04:15:16 PM
Hopefully far to the west??
Kiev - thanks for asking.
A new BIS album may be of interest:
(http://ecstatic.textalk.se/shop/17115/art15/h5363/4985363-origpic-7ddc70.jpg)
From CEO Robert von Bahr:
This SACD is a very difficult one to easily categorize, since its programme is so diverse. The red thread is Ukrainian sorrow, something, with which, in the light of recent happenings, it is easy to identify.
I will take a rather big bet that the composers (with the possible exception of Silvestrov and Lyatoshinsky), are next to unknown and also the artists, albeit formidable, are not on everyone's lips. It all was the brainchild of Natalya Pasichnyk, piano, who then has gathered a number of young, extremely talented artists around her for these Ukrainian lamentations, and BIS was only too happy to become part of this. Listen in and you'll understand why.
Two more recent Ukrainian-themed albums:
Ukraine: Journey to Freedom
Solomiya Ivakhiv and Angelina Gadeliya
Labor Records?
(http://solomiyaivakhiv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Journey-to-Freedom_CD-Cover_Web.jpg)
Ukranian Moods
Violina Petrychenko
Ars Production
(http://www.europadisc.co.uk/images/products-190/1454930295_ARS38195.jpg)
Composers on the first album include:
- Kosenko, Viktor
- Lyatoshinsky, Boris
- Karabits, Ivan
- Kryvopust, Bohdan
- Shchetynsky, Alexander
- Silvestrov, Valentin
- Skoryk, Myroslav
- Stankovych, Yevhen
and on the second album:
- Revutsky, Levko
- Kosenko, Viktor
- Shamo, Ihor
- Kolessa, Mykola
I have and like both.
I wonder if Violina's parents were disappointed in her choice of musical instrument.
Quote from: Brian on January 10, 2017, 01:36:33 PM
I wonder if Violina's parents were disappointed in her choice of musical instrument.
Probably not as much as they would be if she had chosen viola!
Quote from: Brian on January 10, 2017, 11:21:35 AM
A new BIS album may be of interest:
(http://ecstatic.textalk.se/shop/17115/art15/h5363/4985363-origpic-7ddc70.jpg)
Listening to this album now. Very enjoyable. Right up my alley!
I have enjoyed some Karabits in the past
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Even though the instrumentations he uses in his concertos for orchestra incorporate quite a bit of percussion and instruments less commonly found in the orchestra, I think his orchestration doesn't really venture away from anything that isn't standard. Much of the orchestral colour is stuff that has been heard before.
Quote from: Judge Fish on January 10, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Two more recent Ukrainian-themed albums:
Ukraine: Journey to Freedom
Solomiya Ivakhiv and Angelina Gadeliya
Labor Records?
(http://solomiyaivakhiv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Journey-to-Freedom_CD-Cover_Web.jpg)
Ukranian Moods
Violina Petrychenko
Ars Production
(http://www.europadisc.co.uk/images/products-190/1454930295_ARS38195.jpg)
Composers on the first album include:
- Kosenko, Viktor
- Lyatoshinsky, Boris
- Karabits, Ivan
- Kryvopust, Bohdan
- Shchetynsky, Alexander
- Silvestrov, Valentin
- Skoryk, Myroslav
- Stankovych, Yevhen
and on the second album:
- Revutsky, Levko
- Kosenko, Viktor
- Shamo, Ihor
- Kolessa, Mykola
I have and like both.
Just ordered the top one - not too expensive (£7.00 for double album). The Lyatoshinsky sonata looks especially interesting. Thanks for alerting us to this release.
I think that Grazhyna (1955) is Lyatoshinsky's orchestral masterpiece. Been listening to it tonight. It is rather in the spirit of Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead and Miaskovsky's 'Silence':
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I like Lyatoshinsky's music. At least that which I have (symphonies 3 and 4 + assorted orchestral works/suites, on the Russian Disc label).
But TBH I have a feeling that Stankovych is a more individual composer. Not necessarily better (how can you tell when both are fine?), but I pull his discs off the shelves more often. This is one of my favourites, which I listened to last month:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9JUeHzfuTHE/VrJLnjiXgAI/AAAAAAAADrs/MsBXKv4Tdwo/s1600/Stankovich.jpg)
"Modern" music in a sense, "conventional" in the other. Stankovych deserves to be heard.
Quote from: André on January 11, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
I like Lyatoshinsky's music. At least that which I have (symphonies 3 and 4 + assorted orchestral works/suites, on the Russian Disc label).
But TBH I have a feeling that Stankovych is a more individual composer. Not necessarily better (how can you tell when both are fine?), but I pull his discs off the shelves more often. This is one of my favourites, which I listened to last month:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9JUeHzfuTHE/VrJLnjiXgAI/AAAAAAAADrs/MsBXKv4Tdwo/s1600/Stankovich.jpg)
"Modern" music in a sense, "conventional" in the other. Stankovych deserves to be heard.
I need to listen to more of Stankovych - I'm sure I have a CD or two of his music - somewhere ::)
Quote from: jessop on January 10, 2017, 09:14:32 PM
I have enjoyed some Karabits in the past
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Even though the instrumentations he uses in his concertos for orchestra incorporate quite a bit of percussion and instruments less commonly found in the orchestra, I think his orchestration doesn't really venture away from anything that isn't standard. Much of the orchestral colour is stuff that has been heard before.
That's an excellent disc. I especially like those Silvestrov works.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 11, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
That's an excellent disc. I especially like those Silvestrov works.
Yes the Silvestrov is nice here. I liked it when Karabits deviated from my expectations here...especially with the inclusion of harpsichord in one of the concertos for orchestra! But I feel like these deviations to things a little more interesting/unexpected were just a little too rare for me.
Listening to the Karabits disc now. This one belongs on this thread too....
Skoryk: Concerti & Orchestral Works
Odessa Philharmonic Orchestra, Hobart Earle
Naxos
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A real find!
So no love for Roslavets?
Well, maybe it's just the difficulty of establishing what "Ukrainian" means. Just as well that that kind of thing is difficult.
But the one who springs most readily to my mind, Kotra, was born in Kiev. So there's that.
Kotra is the nom de plume of Dmytro Fedorenko, who also runs two record labels in Ukraine, Kvitnu, which he founded, and Nexsound, which Andrey Kirichenko founded.
My first album of Kotra's was dissilient.
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Here's a track from that, with a colorful video to go along with it: https://vimeo.com/24862240
^ Hmmm. How to word this....
Those who like that kind of music might love it !!! To me, it sounds like something out of a sonic weapons lab. But I guess the intent is to shock, no?
Btw, I found 42 discs available for download on eMusic from the Kvitnu record label. So they're developing some international reach at least.
Quote from: Bubbles on May 30, 2018, 05:44:11 PM
I guess the intent is to shock, no?
No.
The intent of the composer is to write some interesting music. You know, like Palestrina did. And Mozart. And Chopin....
Even my intent, while certainly open to question, was no really to shock, but to widen the scope of "Ukrainian composer" just a bit. (I was feeling a bit claustrophobic, anyway, reading through this thread. Just a bit.)
Stanislav Lyudkevich 40° death
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Quote from: some guy on May 30, 2018, 11:38:14 AM
So no love for Roslavets?
Well, maybe it's just the difficulty of establishing what "Ukrainian" means. Just as well that that kind of thing is difficult.
But the one who springs most readily to my mind, Kotra, was born in Kiev. So there's that.
Kotra is the nom de plume of Dmytro Fedorenko, who also runs two record labels in Ukraine, Kvitnu, which he founded, and Nexsound, which Andrey Kirichenko founded.
My first album of Kotra's was dissilient.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61LaGSyil7L._SS500.jpg)
Here's a track from that, with a colorful video to go along with it: https://vimeo.com/24862240
I like the music of Roslavets, especially this CD:
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For fans of Roslavets this is a stunning CD featuring his piano trios, except the No. 1 which is lost.
(https://direct.rhapsody.com/imageserver/images/alb.54664433/600x600.jpg)
Gripping, tense, dramatic, dark and never dull. Nos. 2 and 4 are simply impressive, the No. 3 is less so but still very engaging. It's a mystery why they're not better known.
And this:
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I don't have strong memories of them right now, but I do remember them being supremely interesting.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 11, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
I need to listen to more of Stankovych - I'm sure I have a CD or two of his music - somewhere ::)
Found them ? Probably the Marco Polo disc of symphonies 1, 2 and 4
Remember this Jeffrey? :laugh:
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There is this:
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Quote from: André on December 19, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
Found them ? Probably the Marco Polo disc of symphonies 1, 2 and 4
Remember this Jeffrey? :laugh:
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Haha :)
Quote from: Roy Bland on December 18, 2019, 06:43:07 PM
Stanislav Lyudkevich 40° death
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Here it is:
https://www.discogs.com/it/it/release/14661022
Various choral works(Lyatoshinsky,Lysenko,Stogerenko,Revutsky) conducted by Muravsky:
http://pavlomuravskyi.com/pisennyj-kobzar-dyryguye-pavlo-muravskyj.html
http://pavlomuravskyi.com/pisennyj-kobzar-albom-2.html
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Maiboroda's Symphonic Poem
https://soundcloud.com/firmamelodia/pechenegi-1982?fbclid=IwAR2POnYqxoDCcG7gzgi_PBSr787Nh2I89NMA86O1bG_CN9KNeg7K2WuiqvQ
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http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/myroslav-skoryk-ukraines-cultural-icon-81/
Chamber music from Lvov
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Quote from: Roy Bland on January 03, 2021, 06:23:22 PM
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What's the music like?
Quote from: vandermolen on January 03, 2021, 11:03:33 PM
What's the music like?
It's tonal and cinematic, could be from a film score.
http://umka.com/sounds/nsounataliya1rozhko/nsounataliya1rozhko02.mp3 (http://umka.com/sounds/nsounataliya1rozhko/nsounataliya1rozhko02.mp3)
Some of her music is here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwzoGnSk9x40heVJ1aNuIRA
Quote from: relm1 on January 04, 2021, 05:57:55 AM
It's tonal and cinematic, could be from a film score.
http://umka.com/sounds/nsounataliya1rozhko/nsounataliya1rozhko02.mp3 (http://umka.com/sounds/nsounataliya1rozhko/nsounataliya1rozhko02.mp3)
Some of her music is here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwzoGnSk9x40heVJ1aNuIRA
Thanks very much.
Maiboroda's Opera "Yaroslav the wise"
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Quote from: Roy Bland on February 12, 2021, 05:49:45 PM
Maiboroda's Oratorio "Yaroslav the wise"
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What's it like Roy?
Quote from: vandermolen on February 13, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
What's it like Roy?
I Just listened to it. Composer was born 1913 and this opera (not oratorio) was composed in the early 1970's. More conservative than I thought it would be. There are near quotes of Mussorgsky, Borodin, Rimsky-korsakav so if you like the Russian tradition, you'll enjoy this. The language could be from 100 years earlier but lacking the originality. For example, Mussorgsky is a very original voice in the 1870's-80's but in 1970's, it's pastiche...an impersonation. Fortunately, I happen to love Russian music so enjoyed this but afterwords felt it didn't really have much to say except to imitate old Russian style. That is a contrast to Rachmaninoff who looked to the past but had something individual to say. For example, Rachmaninoff's operas are not particularly memorable or his best achievements but you hear his individual voice in those works which makes them worth hearing if you that composer. But here, you can remove that individual voice and you can see, the result is a bit...empty. If you compare him to contemporaneous Ukrainian composers like Epshai, there you find a lineage to the Ukrainian school such as Gliere, but here that line isn't noticed. It's a traditional, late romantic Russian opera written in the 1970s as if the 20th century didn't happen. If that's what you want, you'll enjoy it but I would say, it lacks the original voices of its predecessors. An imitation rather than the real thing.
Label
http://noni.org.ua/our-cd
Cd of the national project "Three" S ": Skorik - Stankovich - Silvestrov, in Kiev, November 10, 2017. On this day, a gala concert of the project" Three "S": Skorik - Stankovich - Silvestrov took place in Kiev. "Three" S "- these are three" whales "of modern Ukrainian classical music - legendary composers Miroslav Skorik, Yevgeny Stankovich and Valentin Silvestrov. The concert was attended by: Honored Academic Symphony Orchestra of Ukrainian Radio. Artistic Director and Chief Conductor: People's Art. Ukraine Volodymyr Sheiko. Municipal chamber choir "Kiev" Artistic director and conductor: w.d.m. Ukraine, laureate of the T. Shevchenko National Prize Nikolay Gobdich
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This CD with Ukrainian piano music caught my attention - admittedly also partly because the pianist's first name is ... Violina :)
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/ukrainian-moods-piano-miniatures/hnum/8419764
(I see though that it was mentioned some years ago, in post #32)
This seems like the right thread to bump for this...
Anyone familiar with the music of Dmitri Klebanov? I was going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole and it mentioned his name, and I've never heard of him until just now. Born 1907, died 1987, composer of 9 symphonies among other works in the usual genres. Amazon lists one recording available, and as it happens Chandos is releasing a disc of chamber music in a few weeks' time.
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 20, 2021, 05:43:28 AM
This seems like the right thread to bump for this...
Anyone familiar with the music of Dmitri Klebanov? I was going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole and it mentioned his name, and I've never heard of him until just now. Born 1907, died 1987, composer of 9 symphonies among other works in the usual genres. Amazon lists one recording available, and as it happens Chandos is releasing a disc of chamber music in a few weeks' time.
Here the First Symphony,Soviet music critic accused him to be not enough patriotic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh5q3mGLTj4
A festival and 3 cds for T.De Hartmann
https://portal.lviv.ua/news/2021/09/06/u-lvovi-vpershe-v-ukraini-vidbudetsia-festyval-tomasa-de-hartmana
new release
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Quote from: Maestro267 on September 20, 2021, 05:43:28 AM
This seems like the right thread to bump for this...
Anyone familiar with the music of Dmitri Klebanov? I was going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole and it mentioned his name, and I've never heard of him until just now. Born 1907, died 1987, composer of 9 symphonies among other works in the usual genres. Amazon lists one recording available, and as it happens Chandos is releasing a disc of chamber music in a few weeks' time.
I really like the new Chandos chamber music CD.
Quote from: vandermolen on December 09, 2021, 10:55:28 PM
I really like the new Chandos chamber music CD.
Happy to second that assessment - his SQ#4 is a lovely piece of music. The opening will be familiar to most people, I think, because it quotes a well-known piece whose identity I won't spoil the surprise. Also a fan of SQ#5, which seems to look over its shoulder less toward the past and is less likely to have been approved by the powers that be. It doesn't have the lyrical immediacy of #4, but that's not a criticism by any means. Reminiscent of Shostakovich, maybe? He does melody and Ukrainian folk tunes throughout, so that is never going to be anything other than a winner, for me.
I'm not a lover of piano music as a general principle and tend to avoid it until I'm in the right frame of mind, so haven't heard the Trio No.2. A friend of mine recommends it as being too good to miss, so I guess I will get there eventually.
I would also recommend the viola concerto from Japanese Silhouettes, released by ESSAY Recordings. The silhouettes themselves are quality.
There's a bit of Klebanov on YouTube, I see, including at least a couple of his early symphonies. I've only heard #3, which is a great listen even though the recording is from before Adam was a lad. I'd love to hear more from him, symphonically!
Anyway, count me in as a fan.
EDIT: Hurwitz has also commented on the new Chamber Music disc, but I don't often listen to those. I imagine he waxes lyrical about it too :)
Quote from: Roy Bland on December 09, 2021, 06:49:58 PM
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Thanks, Roy. I have some Stankovych works which I really enjoy. I'll try to locate this opera.
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 20, 2021, 05:43:28 AM
This seems like the right thread to bump for this...
Anyone familiar with the music of Dmitri Klebanov? I was going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole and it mentioned his name, and I've never heard of him until just now. Born 1907, died 1987, composer of 9 symphonies among other works in the usual genres. Amazon lists one recording available, and as it happens Chandos is releasing a disc of chamber music in a few weeks' time.
In addition to the Chandos disc, this is a lovely disc:
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https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-8240/
Modern composer
https://bezborodko.webs.com/bio.htm
IMHO an interesting release which contain Kolessa and Barvinsky Piano Concertos
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Maria Krushelnytska -Masterpieces of Galician Piano Music
Gal Records seeems to be existing yet however i asked to UMKA
https://yandex.ru/maps/org/gal_rekords/1177627050/?ll=23.956793%2C49.828231&z=18
Quote from: Roy Bland on January 04, 2022, 07:40:03 PM
IMHO an interesting release which contain Kolessa and Barvinsky Piano Concertos
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Maria Krushelnytska -Masterpieces of Galician Piano Music
Gal Records seeems to be existing yet however i asked to UMKA
https://yandex.ru/maps/org/gal_rekords/1177627050/?ll=23.956793%2C49.828231&z=18
From UMKA
http://umka.com/eng/catalogue/piano/mariya-krushelnytska-shedevry-halyts-koji-fortepiannoji-muzyky.html
Quote from: foxandpeng on December 10, 2021, 03:43:18 AM
Happy to second that assessment - his SQ#4 is a lovely piece of music. The opening will be familiar to most people, I think, because it quotes a well-known piece whose identity I won't spoil the surprise. Also a fan of SQ#5, which seems to look over its shoulder less toward the past and is less likely to have been approved by the powers that be. It doesn't have the lyrical immediacy of #4, but that's not a criticism by any means. Reminiscent of Shostakovich, maybe? He does melody and Ukrainian folk tunes throughout, so that is never going to be anything other than a winner, for me.
I'm not a lover of piano music as a general principle and tend to avoid it until I'm in the right frame of mind, so haven't heard the Trio No.2. A friend of mine recommends it as being too good to miss, so I guess I will get there eventually.
I would also recommend the viola concerto from Japanese Silhouettes, released by ESSAY Recordings. The silhouettes themselves are quality.
There's a bit of Klebanov on YouTube, I see, including at least a couple of his early symphonies. I've only heard #3, which is a great listen even though the recording is from before Adam was a lad. I'd love to hear more from him, symphonically!
Anyway, count me in as a fan.
EDIT: Hurwitz has also commented on the new Chamber Music disc, but I don't often listen to those. I imagine he waxes lyrical about it too :)
Good to know that you liked this CD as well Danny. I enjoyed your review.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 12, 2022, 10:30:18 PM
Good to know that you liked this CD as well Danny. I enjoyed your review.
Thank you. Great music, which is particularly welcome at this grey point in the calendar.
Quote from: relm1 on January 04, 2021, 05:57:55 AM
It's tonal and cinematic, could be from a film score.
http://umka.com/sounds/nsounataliya1rozhko/nsounataliya1rozhko02.mp3 (http://umka.com/sounds/nsounataliya1rozhko/nsounataliya1rozhko02.mp3)
Some of her music is here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwzoGnSk9x40heVJ1aNuIRA
I didn't khow that she has a webpage
http://rozhkonataliya.com/
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Revutsky Choir
http://revutsky.at.ua/english_media.html
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The Taras Shevchenko National Award Committee of Ukraine announced the nominees for 2023. Among the 27 shortlisted works of art is the joint work of the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance with the Khoreya Kozatska band and its leader Taras Kompanichenko: the audio album "Songs of the Ukrainian Revolution".
The project was nominated for the Shevchenko Prize for Musical Art.
The audio album "Songs of the Ukrainian Revolution" is dedicated to the 100th anniversary of the Ukrainian Revolution, published in 2019.
The authors of the songs included in the album are the classics of Ukrainian literature: Oleksandr Oles, Hrytsko Chuprinka, Mykola Voronyi, Hrystia Alchevska and others. Composers - Kyrylo Stetsenko, Mykola Leontovych, Oleksandr Koshyts, Yakiv Stepovy, Pavlo Sinitsa, Kostyantyn Boguslavskyi, Levko Revutskyi.
It seems to me that nobody until now has mentioned Roman Simovych, born in 1901 in Snyatyn (then in Galicia, Austria-Hungary, today in Ukraine) and died in Lviv in 1984. His style is somewhat reminiscent of Rachmaninoff.
I couldn't find a CD, but there are some works on Youtube, including this piano concerto :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lqy9rPL0Ic
A rather lovely string quartet by
Vasyl Barvinsky (1888-1963). I don't think commercially recorded, at least I don't think this performance is. Performed by the Lysenko String Quartet in 1978.
It is a short work, around 13.5 minutes, with the opening melancholic Theme and Variations movement lasting for over half the length of the quartet. I really enjoyed that and the highly folk music flavoured short Scherzo and Finale movements. Sound isn't the greatest, but not terrible either.
Quote from: joachim on February 20, 2023, 09:41:04 AMIt seems to me that nobody until now has mentioned Roman Simovych, born in 1901 in Snyatyn (then in Galicia, Austria-Hungary, today in Ukraine) and died in Lviv in 1984. His style is somewhat reminiscent of Rachmaninoff.
I couldn't find a CD, but there are some works on Youtube, including this piano concerto :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lqy9rPL0Ic
On him
https://ukrainianlive.org/simovych-roman
Sampling some beautiful music for violin and piano from Mykola Lysenko (1842-1912)
Lysenko - Violin and PIano music (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8056279--mykola-lysenko-complete-music-for-violin-and-piano)
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Some days ago I was impressed by de Hartmann's Symphonie-Poème No. 1 on the Toccata Classics recording and today it was this splendid CD. The Symphonie-Poème No. 3 sounds even more personal than his first effort in the form. The 1st movement is incredibly atmospheric and eloquent, like evoking some foggy landscape where suspense is the rule. The 2nd movement contrasts by presenting a little more of agitation, whilst the 3rd and final movement features festive and folk music. The last minutes with those tolling bells are really magical, like vanishing into nothingness. I think this is a fabulous work whose style sounds significantly unique.
The Piano Concerto is not far behind in remarkable ideas and shimmering orchestration, sounding fresh, poetic, inspired and inspiriting with some slight touches of Ravel in some sections. The Scherzo fantastique (as some other similar works by other composers) is imbued with wizardry-like gestures that make it quite enjoyable and energetic. All in all, this is a winning CD that shows a very talented composer who didn't intend to sound like anyone else.
Now I want to hear his Symphonie-Poème No. 2 (hopefully Toccata Classica will embrace this project soon), the No. 4 was already recorded but it's unfinished with only 5 or 6 minutes of it.
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Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 28, 2023, 08:50:56 PMSome days ago I was impressed by de Hartmann's Symphonie-Poème No. 1 on the Toccata Classics recording and today it was this splendid CD. The Symphonie-Poème No. 3 sounds even more personal than his first effort in the form. The 1st movement is incredibly atmospheric and eloquent, like evoking some foggy landscape where suspense is the rule. The 2nd movement contrasts by presenting a little more of agitation, whilst the 3rd and final movement features festive and folk music. The last minutes with those tolling bells are really magical, like vanishing into nothingness. I think this is a fabulous work whose style sounds significantly unique.
The Piano Concerto is not far behind in remarkable ideas and shimmering orchestration, sounding fresh, poetic, inspired and inspiriting with some slight touches of Ravel in some sections. The Scherzo fantastique (as some other similar works by other composers) is imbued with wizardry-like gestures that make it quite enjoyable and energetic. All in all, this is a winning CD that shows a very talented composer who didn't intend to sound like anyone else.
Now I want to hear his Symphonie-Poème No. 2 (hopefully Toccata Classica will embrace this project soon), the No. 4 was already recorded but it's unfinished with only 5 or 6 minutes of it.
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I also enjoyed the de Hartmann CD on Toccata Cesar (a recommendation of Harry's I think). This one looks most interesting.
Quote from: vandermolen on July 28, 2023, 11:02:06 PMI also enjoyed the de Hartmann CD on Toccata Cesar (a recommendation of Harry's I think). This one looks most interesting.
It certainly is, Jeffrey. I also saw you ordered a copy. I hope the music will be of your taste!
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 29, 2023, 10:53:16 AMIt certainly is, Jeffrey. I also saw you ordered a copy. I hope the music will be of your taste!
:)
Piano music of the period of the Ukrainian-Russian war (2023) by Valentin Silvestrov
Available on bandcamp.
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Quote from: AnotherSpin on July 30, 2023, 08:52:43 AMPiano music of the period of the Ukrainian-Russian war (2023) by Valentin Silvestrov
Available on bandcamp.
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I tried listening to some songs that you suggested; alas, I had no idea what they were about. Is there a good place to find translations of his songs?
PD
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on August 01, 2023, 10:01:46 AMI tried listening to some songs that you suggested; alas, I had no idea what they were about. Is there a good place to find translations of his songs?
PD
I don't know, unfortunately. Most of the songs in the cycle are on very famous poems. Maybe there are translations in the ECM CD booklet, not sure though.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on July 30, 2023, 08:52:43 AMPiano music of the period of the Ukrainian-Russian war (2023) by Valentin Silvestrov
Available on bandcamp.
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Oh wow! Will check this out hopefully tonight. I recall he was a refugee in his 80's...so, so sad. :(
Among the current Ukrainian compositions, I would like to recommend the Concerto No. 2 for violin and symphony orchestra (from 2006) by Yevhen Stankovych (born 1942).
The 2nd Violin Concerto was written at a time when Ukraine had become a separate state and a kind of new universalism became possible. For Stankovych, new universalism is the combination of the most effective techniques of 20th century music with the deep emotions of the music of past centuries. It is the bridge that connects the past, the present and the future of music. In this sense, Stankovych seeks to give musical expression to the most fundamental factors of the condition humaine as he experiences it.
For those interested, a listening guide can be found here:
https://unbekannte-violinkonzerte.jimdofree.com/e-5/stankovych/
Quote from: Toni Bernet on August 04, 2023, 01:30:27 AMAmong the current Ukrainian compositions, I would like to recommend the Concerto No. 2 for violin and symphony orchestra (from 2006) by Yevhen Stankovych (born 1942).
The 2nd Violin Concerto was written at a time when Ukraine had become a separate state and a kind of new universalism became possible. For Stankovych, new universalism is the combination of the most effective techniques of 20th century music with the deep emotions of the music of past centuries. It is the bridge that connects the past, the present and the future of music. In this sense, Stankovych seeks to give musical expression to the most fundamental factors of the condition humaine as he experiences it.
For those interested, a listening guide can be found here:
https://unbekannte-violinkonzerte.jimdofree.com/e-5/stankovych/
I know the work and find it very good. I like the composer's symphonies as well. Is he still alive and what are his whereabouts?
Quote from: relm1 on August 04, 2023, 06:13:31 AMI know the work and find it very good. I like the composer's symphonies as well. Is he still alive and what are his whereabouts?
He is 80 y.o. and he is probably in Ukraine now, but I do not know more.
I endorse the positive comments about Stankovych. I also recommend this fantastic Naxos disc and his Symphony No. 3:
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Greatly enjoying this CD. Thanks for the recommendation Cesar:
Quote from: vandermolen on August 05, 2023, 03:34:41 AMGreatly enjoying this CD. Thanks for the recommendation Cesar:
:)
Once again Thomas de Hartmann manages to impress with another of his works. On this occasion, his Cello Concerto, op. 57 from this recent release. A soulful, wistful slow movement is sandwiched between two big-boned and folksy ones respectively. The thematic material, the way the ideas are developed, the orchestration, everything sounds convincing and engaging. A pity this recording only includes the concerto which lasts almost 37 minutes long.
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He's actually not an ethnic Ukrainian:
Born in the Ukraine to a family of Russian aristocrats, ...
update 14-12-23 ... something has happened to this post - part of it is missing now? don't remember what the topic was
Quote from: Scion7 on October 13, 2023, 04:19:33 PMHe's actually not an ethnic Ukrainian:
Born in the Ukraine to a family of Russian aristocrats, ...
Tchaikovsky's family on his father's side was from Ukraine, his mother was of French and German descent. So what?
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 13, 2023, 03:03:37 PMOnce again Thomas de Hartmann manages to impress with another of his works. On this occasion, his Cello Concerto, op. 57 from this recent release. A soulful, wistful slow movement is sandwiched between two big-boned and folksy ones respectively. The thematic material, the way the ideas are developed, the orchestration, everything sounds convincing and engaging. A pity this recording only includes the concerto which lasts almost 37 minutes long.
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He's been a great discovery for me this year.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 13, 2023, 11:27:12 PMHe's been a great discovery for me this year.
I'm crossing my fingers so that the Symphonie-Poème No. 3 gets a first recording soon!
Quote from: AnotherSpin on October 13, 2023, 08:20:23 PMTchaikovsky's family on his father's side was from Ukraine, his mother was of French and German descent. So what?
So 'what' is that a fact was stated. No more, no less.
Quote from: Scion7 on October 14, 2023, 05:15:48 PMSo 'what' is that a fact was stated. No more, no less.
The so-called "Russians" (Muscovites) and their admirers in other countries consider everything that appeared on the territory of the former Russian Empire to be Russian. The fact is (if you are so concerned about the facts) that even the name does not belong to them, stolen from Kyivska Rus (Київська Русь).
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on composer Bilash
http://www.bilash.in.ua/?page_id=154
Quote from: Roy Bland on December 13, 2023, 07:47:24 PMon composer Bilash
http://www.bilash.in.ua/?page_id=154
Alexander Bilash was known as the author of immensely popular songs, including
Два кольори (Two Colours):
https://youtu.be/7-ml3FQhFv0?si=HldQdESqSNPTVUND
Lev Revutskyi (https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5C%5CR%5C%5CE%5C%5CRevutskyLev.htm) - Piano Concerto (first edition)
Roman Repka piano
National Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine
Volodymyr Sirenko conductor
Petro Tchaikovskyi National Music Academy of Ukraine (Vasyl Slipak Concert Hall)
Kyiv, Ukraine/ September 22, 2020
on Igor Shamo
http://www.igorshamo.de/rus/biogr.htm
Quote from: Roy Bland on January 08, 2024, 06:56:23 PMon Igor Shamo
http://www.igorshamo.de/rus/biogr.htm
Igor Shamo - author of the unofficial anthem of Kyiv, the song
How not to love you, My Kyiv, https://youtu.be/ld10dPBaFvs?si=Z67jQVksjkBwtGy3
Added: I googled some information about Igor Shamo. It turns out that he studied in a Kyiv school in the same class with the future composer Jan Frenkel, the author of the famous Soviet song Русское поле (Russian Field). Frenkel's song spawned a popular joke in the USSR that the most popular Russian songs were written by Kyiv Jews.
Dankevich Opera "Nazar Stoloya"
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and Bogdan Hilmetsky
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Quote from: Roy Bland on January 22, 2024, 07:00:08 PMDankevich Opera "Nazar Stoloya"
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YvcAAOSw5qdlEolL/s-l1600.jpg)
and Bogdan Hilmetsky
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Nazar Stodolya
Maiboroda's "Mylana" opera
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ukrainian opera "Forest song" (Vitaly Kyreiko composer) performed by Opera Studio of Kyiv'
about Skorik
https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5813&context=gradschool_dissertations
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