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Title: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 19, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
As someone fairly new to classical music who can be easily embarrassed by my ignorance, I'm wondering whether any of you seasoned listeners could provide a list of a dozen classical pieces that everyone is 'expected' to know?

All help is gratefully received. Thank you.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Mahlerian on August 19, 2017, 07:40:23 AM
Not necessarily the ones I think are the best, but certainly among the best-known.  Usually it's an excerpt or two from these that's really the "hit," but they're all better in full.

Bach: Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmHTJv5pjYo)
Handel: Messiah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqOTpD9yto)
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 in G minor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4xBJJqAweY)
Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C# minor "Moonlight" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj75TeQmSHA)
Mendelssohn: Midsummer Night's Dream Overture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0gHTNJVFtA)
Schumann: Kinderszenen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiMFICjD5Hg)
Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 in E minor "From the New World" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClX2s8A9IE)
Tchaikovsky: Swan Lake (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDhq70yrtiI)
Debussy: Suite Bergamasque (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYU99NjwYI)
Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwcUSshWhlw)
Ravel: Bolero (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_AjezOSKdk)
Prokofiev: Peter and the Wolf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfM7Y9Pcdzw)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 19, 2017, 08:01:07 AM
Delighted to help!

Mozart, Ave verum corpus, K.618

http://www.youtube.com/v/HXjn6srhAlY

JS Bach, Passacaglia & Fugue in c minor, BWV 582

http://www.youtube.com/v/HtFMxFQrKc4

Chopin, Prelude in e minor, Op.28 № 4

http://www.youtube.com/v/KHGHhYZCIQI

Beethoven, Symphony № 6 in F, Op.68, "Pastorale"

http://www.youtube.com/v/t2VY33VXnrQ

Vivaldi, Violin Concerto in E, "Spring" (from The Four Seasons)

http://www.youtube.com/v/RnwuF-MCRuo

Saint-Saëns, Danse macabre, Op.40

http://www.youtube.com/v/Qz7elksiFb4

Prokofiev, Symphony № 1 in D, Op.25, "Classical"

http://www.youtube.com/v/WLT55kPIFCo

Ives, The Unanswered Question

http://www.youtube.com/v/kkaOz48cq2g

Schubert, "Der Leiermann" (from Die Winterreise)

http://www.youtube.com/v/pze4NxCOjg0

Handel, Hornpipe (from Water Music)

http://www.youtube.com/v/6fa2wZEsRWM
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 19, 2017, 08:08:58 AM
Thank you, both - your replies are very helpful indeed.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 19, 2017, 08:29:41 AM
Let us know what you like, and what you like less . . . there are always more suggestions to be made  ;)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: North Star on August 19, 2017, 08:33:59 AM
Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition (there are also numerous orchestrations, most famously the one by Ravel)
Below are two recordings of the work, by Mikhail Pletnev and Leif-Ove Andsnes.
https://www.youtube.com/v/kxg2R0Pqb3c
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 19, 2017, 08:34:40 AM
Excellent add, Karlo!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Mahlerian on August 19, 2017, 08:38:18 AM
I'm ashamed to have forgotten Pictures.  I did vacillate about adding The Four Seasons or not...figured there was plenty more without it.  Now I've revealed my bias and will shut up.

There's nothing wrong with getting to know the warhorses and the the popular hits, so I wish you happy listening, Rosalba.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 19, 2017, 08:39:51 AM
That all comes under 'expected to know,' I think.  That said, I did not post any music to which I am not perfectly happy to listen, myself.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Spineur on August 19, 2017, 08:44:56 AM
Bach badinerie from orchestra suite no 2 2:20 of pure happiness

https://www.youtube.com/v/3jYxMlPm-_Y

Charles Gounod, Ave Maria

https://www.youtube.com/v/SMvldwLqe2U
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: North Star on August 19, 2017, 08:58:27 AM
I must say I wouldn't have thought of naming Passacaglia & Fugue in c minor, BWV 582 before Toccata & Fugue in d minor, BWV 565 - the former is clearly the (even) better piece, granted, but the latter is surely far more well-known.

Liszt: La campanella (Grandes études de Paganini, S. 141, No. 3)
https://www.youtube.com/v/-hCNkp97I30

Wagner - Ride of the Valkyries (an excerpt from the Ring cycle) [I resisted the temptation to post the Looney Tunes version..]
https://www.youtube.com/v/V92OBNsQgxU

And Sarasate's Fantasy is a handy way to hear the greatest hits from Bizet's Carmen.
https://www.youtube.com/v/iwo-vKPR4Lo
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 12:22:31 AM
Let us know what you like, and what you like less . . . there are always more suggestions to be made  ;)

I like the music of the eighteenth century - or anything with a strong or interesting rhythm.
Thanks for asking. And thanks again for your samples - I've started on them today, and so far, very nice indeed!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 12:24:46 AM
I'm ashamed to have forgotten Pictures.  I did vacillate about adding The Four Seasons or not...figured there was plenty more without it.  Now I've revealed my bias and will shut up.

There's nothing wrong with getting to know the warhorses and the the popular hits, so I wish you happy listening, Rosalba.

Thank you - I shall look up your suggestions, I know I shall enjoy myself.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 12:26:40 AM
Bach badinerie from orchestra suite no 2 2:20 of pure happiness

Thank you, Spineur.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: opaquer on August 20, 2017, 12:34:17 AM
What about modernism? have you heard any of that?  8)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 12:35:01 AM
I must say I wouldn't have thought of naming Passacaglia & Fugue in c minor, BWV 582 before Toccata & Fugue in d minor, BWV 565 - the former is clearly the (even) better piece, granted, but the latter is surely far more well-known...

Thank you for your examples, North Star - I am looking forward to listening to them.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 12:37:12 AM
What about modernism? have you heard any of that?  8)

Not much. Bits and pieces - always pleased to try things, so please suggest any works that I should know. Thank you.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: opaquer on August 20, 2017, 12:51:51 AM
Not much. Bits and pieces - always pleased to try things, so please suggest any works that I should know. Thank you.

Off the top of my head, these are essential works that haven't been mentioned yet:

Webern - Symphony op 21
Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
Stravinsky - Agon
Varese - Ameriques
Stockhausen - Gruppen
Xenakis - Jonchaies
Ligeti - Atmospheres
Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima


Hope you enjoy them, it provides a great contrast to many of the examples cited thus far too  8)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: opaquer on August 20, 2017, 12:57:22 AM
To pretty much sum up the entirety of classical music:

It covers the whole spectrum from the most light and fluffy stuff, to the most extreme, aggressive and overwhelming. Something for everyone  ;)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: nodogen on August 20, 2017, 01:17:51 AM
Ah, Yorkshire, home of Northern Monk. Excellent!

Slightly more tangential suggestions:

As a seasoned ignoramus, I found the book Classical Music by Jan Swafford to be useful to "get my bearings."

Put Radio 3 on, just as background music (sacrilege!).

Nothing is required or expected. I admit I've got stuff by the likes of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart, but my very favourite music is often by composers I hadn't even heard a note of just a few years ago (or even heard of).

Enjoy the journey. 👍😃

Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 20, 2017, 03:54:06 AM
Ah, Yorkshire, home of Northern Monk. Excellent!

Slightly more tangential suggestions:

As a seasoned ignoramus, I found the book Classical Music by Jan Swafford to be useful to "get my bearings."

Put Radio 3 on, just as background music (sacrilege!).

Nothing is required or expected. I admit I've got stuff by the likes of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart, but my very favourite music is often by composers I hadn't even heard a note of just a few years ago (or even heard of).

Enjoy the journey. 👍😃



You're being given pearls here  8)

Truly, two keys to the wonder of classical music are:  the literature is mind-bogglingly rich (breadth and depth), and to enjoy it is purely elective.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
Off the top of my head, these are essential works that haven't been mentioned yet:

Webern - Symphony op 21
Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
Stravinsky - Agon
Varese - Ameriques
Stockhausen - Gruppen
Xenakis - Jonchaies
Ligeti - Atmospheres
Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima


Hope you enjoy them, it provides a great contrast to many of the examples cited thus far too  8)

Thank you! I'm a methodical soul, so I'm working down the list, but I'm looking forward to listening to your suggestions, and appreciating the contrast.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 20, 2017, 08:17:31 AM
Ah, Yorkshire, home of Northern Monk. Excellent!

Slightly more tangential suggestions:

As a seasoned ignoramus, I found the book Classical Music by Jan Swafford to be useful to "get my bearings."

Put Radio 3 on, just as background music (sacrilege!).

Nothing is required or expected. I admit I've got stuff by the likes of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart, but my very favourite music is often by composers I hadn't even heard a note of just a few years ago (or even heard of).

Enjoy the journey. 👍😃

Thank you - I've googled the Swafford book and it looks good. I will definitely read it.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Wanderer on August 20, 2017, 01:07:45 PM
I like the music of the eighteenth century - or anything with a strong or interesting rhythm.

Some suggestions to get you started:

Haydn: Piano Concerto No. 11 in D, Hob. XVIII:11
Mozart: Symphony No. 38 "Prager"
Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 "Eroica"
Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5
Schubert: Symphony No. 9
Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique
Schumann: Piano Concerto
Brahms: Symphony No. 1
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 (and No. 2)
Alkan: 12 Études dans tous les tons mineurs, op. 39
Dvořák: Symphony No. 8
Nielsen: Symphony No. 3
Medtner: Piano Concerto No. 1
Ravel: Piano Concertos (both of them)
Liszt: Piano Concerto No. 1 (and Totentanz)
Stravinsky: Three Movements from Petrouchka
Walton: Belshazzar's Feast
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 21, 2017, 12:46:18 AM
Some suggestions to get you started:

Haydn: Piano Concerto No. 11 in D, Hob. XVIII:11
Mozart: Symphony No. 38 "Prager"
Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 "Eroica"
Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5
Schubert: Symphony No. 9
Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique
Schumann: Piano Concerto
Brahms: Symphony No. 1
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 (and No. 2)
Alkan: 12 Études dans tous les tons mineurs, op. 39
Dvořák: Symphony No. 8
Nielsen: Symphony No. 3
Medtner: Piano Concerto No. 1
Ravel: Piano Concertos (both of them)
Liszt: Piano Concerto No. 1 (and Totentanz)
Stravinsky: Three Movements from Petrouchka
Walton: Belshazzar's Feast

Thank you, Wanderer. The list looks very interesting - I hadn't even heard of Alkan and Medtner!!!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: pjme on August 21, 2017, 04:13:14 AM
Hi, I'm an old man who likes late Romantic music and early-twentieth century "modernism" ( ca 1910 -1950). I'm interested in lesser known composers.

Possibly you may enjoy:

Ottorino Respighi:

Antiche danze ed arie - https://youtu.be/3BPloCq3ODE

""Ancient Airs and Dances is a set of three orchestral suites by Italian composer Ottorino Respighi, freely transcribed from original pieces for lute. Very sweet and harmonious.

His violinconcerto "Concerto gregoriano" is a gem : https://youtu.be/bB5KRHTPTjA

However, Respighi can make a large orchestra glitter & shine : symphonic poems Fontane di Roma, I pini di Roma, Feste romane, Vetrate di chiesa, Impressione Braziliane. Some of the movements are delicate and impressionistic, others develop into loud, verry brassy and extatic climaxes.

From Feste romane: https://youtu.be/DKdfZLgiWJ0

British composer Ralph Vaughan Williams wrote some truly wonderful music.  Try:

The lark ascending: https://youtu.be/ZR2JlDnT2l8

Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis : https://youtu.be/GpwqZSp_CyM (performed and filmed in Gloucester cathedral!).

5 Mystical songs: https://youtu.be/6Wtus11fFJw

RVW'w output is large and diverse: 8 symphonies, cantatas, choral works and superb chamber music.

My favorite is symphony nr. 3 "Pastoral ": https://youtu.be/bAi65Fmbn0A

Claude Debussy: one of the great masters.

Danse sacrée et danse profane for harp and strings: https://youtu.be/G3UGewCinYw

Children's corner for piano: https://youtu.be/KVIYYQXNcVU

Iberia, for orchestra: https://youtu.be/Tg1w75c8Vc0

My compatriot Joseph Jongen is definitely lesser known, but he wrote often some quite elegant and refined music...albeit heavily influenced by Debussy.

Pièces en trio: https://youtu.be/sZBxAX8QCCk

Arthur Meulemans is a name you're unlikely to see on international concert programs ... He was an extremely prolific composer (15 symphonies, all kinds of concerti, stringquartets, choral works, Lieder, oratoria and cantatas...). Not all of his output is of the highest order, but as a youth (1910)  he already knew how to write for orchestra:

Maynight: https://youtu.be/IDfyBQSeav0

Looking forward to your comments.

Peter




Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 21, 2017, 05:27:00 AM
^^^^ Thank you, Peter. I am working my way through the suggestions and enjoying myself very much. It will take me some time to get on to your list - which looks fab, btw -  but when I do, I will post again to tell you what I thought of each piece.  :)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: pjme on August 21, 2017, 06:00:27 AM
Take your time!

P.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 21, 2017, 08:51:31 AM
All right then: my “second wave,” all 18th century.

JS Bach, Chaconne from the Partita in d minor for violin solo, BWV 1004

http://www.youtube.com/v/DBJPVnJ8m-Y

JS Bach, Brandenburg Concerto № 4 in G, BWV 1049

http://www.youtube.com/v/G6hQvvhqfJo

Haydn, Concerto for Trumpet in Eb

http://www.youtube.com/v/kCX_UXoHwyA

Haydn, String Quartet in d minor, Op.76 № 2

http://www.youtube.com/v/yXLbPL0lnus

Mozart, Symphony № 40 in g minor, K. 550 (Ah, I see Mahlerian listed this already!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/wqkXqpQMk2k

Mozart, Piano Concerto № 21 in C, K. 467

http://www.youtube.com/v/i2uYb6bMKyI

Mozart, Clarinet Quintet in A, K. 581

http://www.youtube.com/v/_8fX1LmqG8s

Beethoven, Piano Sonata № 8 in c minor, Op.13, “Pathétique (Most of the must-know Beethoven dates from the 19th century, of course; but this celebrated Sonata fits under the wire.)

http://www.youtube.com/v/qO8yfBLNVjU

François Couperin, Ordre 21ème de clavecin in E minor

http://www.youtube.com/v/uoYS-Ma6OHM

Zelenka, Missa votiva ZWV 18

http://www.youtube.com/v/RCL2CWQaH4A

Domenico Scarlatti, Sonata in d minor, K. 9

http://www.youtube.com/v/OwgxZ9Hf9kM

Gluck, Iphigénie en Tauride

http://www.youtube.com/v/q9wcmljqlKM
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Spineur on August 21, 2017, 10:13:37 AM
Kark certainly knows his classics.  I endorse completely his choices !  One cannot stress enough the importance of Bach Chaconne for solo violin as it inspired a number of famous composer through the 19th and 20th century to write their own transcription for the piano.  The most famous one is Busoni's which you can compare to the original here

https://www.youtube.com/v/kFCpFg6mjc4

The most famous melodie that Gluck wrote is from Orphée et Euridice, which did inspire a number of composers to write their own transcription.  Here is the one that Giovanni Sgambati wrote which capture fantastically well the beauty of this piece

https://www.youtube.com/v/q9FScP9GqlQ
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: North Star on August 21, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
Monteverdi - Zefiro torna
https://www.youtube.com/v/e6tJWY2Vaz4

Pergolesi - Stabat Mater
https://www.youtube.com/v/9a5wF5e7QiE

Rameau - Suite in G major
https://www.youtube.com/v/RAMX6ofEHtw

Biber - Violin Sonata No. 3 in F major
https://www.youtube.com/v/Dl9371sYxXo

Corelli - Violin Sonata Op. 5 No. 12
https://www.youtube.com/v/wiZjALaEb1M

Beethoven - Sonata for Violin & Piano No. 9
https://www.youtube.com/v/mUWcyDEvsYA

Rakhmaninov - Corelli Variations (the theme isn't actually by Corelli - La Follia is a much older tune and a popular choice for o
https://www.youtube.com/v/vZTSzvcW9q8

Albéniz - Iberia
https://www.youtube.com/v/ShXNe4kc6M8

Ravel - Tombeau de Couperin
https://www.youtube.com/v/Wz165MCij6c

Sibelius - The Tempest (highlights)
https://www.youtube.com/v/D4EsO47POQw

Bartók - Dance Suite
https://www.youtube.com/v/IBwmZSKaI0o

Pärt - Fratres
https://www.youtube.com/v/RNVoZVFpW58
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 21, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
Thumbs up, Spineur & Karlo!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Spineur on August 21, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Thumbs up, Spineur & Karlo!
Rosalba is getting spoiled !  I have to say that youtube is a fantastic library, but boy, is the sound awfull.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 21, 2017, 11:26:33 AM
Rosalba is getting spoiled !  I have to say that youtube is a fantastic library, but boy, is the sound awfull.
Even at best, rather a distance from ideal  8)

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Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: pjme on August 21, 2017, 11:44:36 AM
Don't forget Tsjaikovsky.

https://www.youtube.com/v/rIGyCuZ9V-w

Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 21, 2017, 11:45:59 AM
Rosalba is getting spoiled !...

I certainly am. Wow! - Thanks, Karl, Spineur & North Star - also Peter. You are very kind.
This should keep me busy for quite a while...
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 21, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
Even at best, rather a distance from ideal  8)

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

True, no doubt, but I'm not enough of a connoisseur (or not yet! :) ) for this to matter too much...
Very grateful to YouTube as it really is a short cut - and if I like something, I can always buy a cd (and ask you all for recommendations.)

Thanks, everyone.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 22, 2017, 02:53:33 AM
True in both considerations:  YouTube is a wonderful initial reference resource, but . . . less than adequate as a musical experience.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Monsieur Croche on August 22, 2017, 07:29:51 AM
These are all "very well known" works from the last century.
Be not afraid.  I imagine you might well enjoy them ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/v/kt5Eq317bX8

This for Petrushka but the later neoclassical style ballet, Orpheus, though in a very different style, is, imo, quite beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/v/cv-BOJLQMlc

A large-scale work for Chorus and large orchestra...
https://www.youtube.com/v/3wyftO6flX4
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ti_jRkf6NYA
https://www.youtube.com/v/bETU-8qa_g0

https://www.youtube.com/v/yRQw85LdRbI

Wishing you the most happy and many adventurous musical explorations...


Best regards.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 22, 2017, 07:36:08 AM
Thank you, Monsieur Croche. :)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Monsieur Croche on August 22, 2017, 06:44:35 PM
Thank you, Monsieur Croche. :)

You are welcome... I am sure that goes as well for all who have recommended pieces to you.

I recommend making a playlist of them all and then listening at your leisure. 

If something does not strike you as interesting, keep it, but move on to something else. 
There is always going back to any one piece later, and listening, casual or with full concentrated attention, either way, takes time.

I think you've already seen that if you have a particular interest or taste of the moment, that asking more about that piece, period or composer here will yield a number of well-directed responses.

Already you can see the variety of what people favor, tend to think of to recommend.  This site has a great, knowledgeable, friendly -- and 'mostly harmless' -- membership.  Enjoy the music, and your newfound GMG colleagues.


Best regards.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 24, 2017, 02:42:22 AM
Delighted to help!...
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Thanks, Karl - I've just polished off your listening list - started with yours because it was most convenient, but will now move back on to Mahlerian's links.

I knew some already - The Seasons and The Water Music - which are fab, and lovely to listen to again.

Surprise pick for me was the Schubert, "Der Leiermann" (from Die Winterreise) - I didn't think I liked that sort of song, but his voice was so beautiful and the musical accompaniment very evocative.

Hope you're having a nice day. :)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2017, 03:25:23 AM
You, as well!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Pat B on August 24, 2017, 02:12:31 PM
Some of the pieces above really don’t answer the question that was asked.

Mahlerian’s list was a good answer. Limiting it to 18th- and rhythmic early-19th century works, I’ll complement it with:

Vivaldi: The Four Seasons (technically 4 pieces but they are short)
Bach: Cello Suites, pick one or all
Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 (or all of them)
Bach: Mass in B Minor
Haydn: Symphony No. 94 “Surprise”
Mozart: Symphony No. 41 “Jupiter”
Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20
Mozart: Serenade “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik”
Mozart: Magic Flute
Beethoven: Symphony No. 5
Beethoven: Symphony No. 7
Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 32

Some of which I rarely listen to — I debated over “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” but I wanted to include some chamber music, and it is definitely one that everyone knows. The Haydn String Quartets are a fount of quality, but I don’t know if any individual one is so famous.

I started to add another list going further into the 19th century, but I know you’re already deluged with suggestions.

I second Mahlerian’s suggestion to listen to complete works, not just the most-famous bits. And youtube is okay for exploring, but you might find it worthwhile to subscribe to spotify or some other streaming service. (You can listen to spotify for free, but you have to pay to get rid of the ads.)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 25, 2017, 01:44:09 AM
I started to add another list going further into the 19th century, but I know you’re already deluged with suggestions.

This is true! Still, I remain grateful for all the recommendations.

I am listening to whole works but I'm afraid I can't manage them at a single sitting. Life gets in the way. Hence, I am in the middle of The Messiah at present, from Mahlerian's list. But I'm going to work through this thread diligently, because 'if a job is worth doing, it's worth doing well...' :)

Thank you very much, Pat B.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 25, 2017, 02:58:35 AM
There is life, and there is the sustained, attentive time-period required by a substantial piece of music.  It is a balance, a tension, yes; but I consider it a tension between two entirely worthy gravitational pulls.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: vandermolen on August 26, 2017, 05:11:10 AM
Beethoven: Symphony 7
Tchaikovsky: Pathetique Symphony
Schubert: Unfinished Symphony
Mozart: Clarinet Concerto
Bach: Brandenburg Concertos
Mahler: Symphony 1 'Titan'
Holst: The Planets
Vivaldi: The Four Seasons
Mendelssohn: 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'
Vaughan Williams: Tallis Fantasia
Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto 2 or 3

Just a random selection.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 26, 2017, 05:34:50 AM
Monteverdi - Zefiro torna
https://www.youtube.com/v/e6tJWY2Vaz4

This was one of the first items to seriously turn me on to Monteverdi.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 26, 2017, 06:07:04 AM
Some of the pieces above really don’t answer the question that was asked.

[snip]

... I debated over “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” but I wanted to include some chamber music, and it is definitely one that everyone knows. The Haydn String Quartets are a fount of quality, but I don’t know if any individual one is so famous.

Point very well taken, to be sure.  Without seriously contesting your point, I'll say that I snuck a Haydn quartet in, when for my second set I kept to the one century.  (Still, in strict compliance with the request, I agree that no chamber work . . . probably no 18th-c. symphony . . . of “Papa’s” really fits the request.)

To that point, though (and our Gurn has forborne to upbraid us for this lacuna, and his self-restraint is truly a marvel to contemplate):

In a list of a dozen classical pieces that everyone is ‘expected’ to know, who of us can deny that the below example ranks quite high?  Yet, we’ve all managed to omit it, somehow . . . .

http://www.youtube.com/v/lYbSNJDDAfk
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Mahlerian on August 26, 2017, 08:16:22 AM
In a list of a dozen classical pieces that everyone is ‘expected’ to know, who of us can deny that the below example ranks quite high?  Yet, we’ve all managed to omit it, somehow . . . .

For my part, I excluded it only because I was keeping to one piece per composer.  Going to two personal favorite composers...

Mahler: Symphony No. 1 in D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xO968YNrMs)
Schoenberg: Verklarte Nacht (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhT6afzke-c)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 26, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
For my part, I excluded it only because I was keeping to one piece per composer.

Likewise!  For, truly, one could list 12 LvB pieces which “a musically literate person” (as an earlier generation would see it) should be expected to know.

(I should be curious to see the old College of Wooster listening lists for music majors, from which material for the annual “drop the needle” tests would be selected.  There must indeed be 12 LvB works there . . . .)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on August 26, 2017, 11:27:06 PM
Thanks for the latest recommendations. There are a lot more than 12 'pieces which would embarrass me not to know', so plenty of room for a few each by the great composers.
I'm still working valiantly through the first page posts - valiantly but very enjoyably.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 27, 2017, 04:54:47 AM
Thanks for the latest recommendations. There are a lot more than 12 'pieces which would embarrass me not to know', so plenty of room for a few each by the great composers.
I'm still working valiantly through the first page posts - valiantly but very enjoyably.

There’s no rush, which is part of the beauty.

The enormous blessing is, there is such a wealth of good literature to hear.  We shan’t ever exhaust it.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Pat B on August 29, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
There’s no rush, which is part of the beauty.

The enormous blessing is, there is such a wealth of good literature to hear.  We shan’t ever exhaust it.

Excellent advice here. It’s not a race. Take your time and enjoy the journey.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 07, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
Not necessarily the ones I think are the best, but certainly among the best-known.  Usually it's an excerpt or two from these that's really the "hit," but they're all better in full.

Bach: Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmHTJv5pjYo)
Handel: Messiah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqOTpD9yto)
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 in G minor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4xBJJqAweY)
Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C# minor "Moonlight" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj75TeQmSHA)
Mendelssohn: Midsummer Night's Dream Overture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0gHTNJVFtA)
Schumann: Kinderszenen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiMFICjD5Hg)
Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 in E minor "From the New World" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClX2s8A9IE)
Tchaikovsky: Swan Lake (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDhq70yrtiI)
Debussy: Suite Bergamasque (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYU99NjwYI)
Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwcUSshWhlw)
Ravel: Bolero (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_AjezOSKdk)
Prokofiev: Peter and the Wolf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfM7Y9Pcdzw)

I didn't bother listening to Bolero as I know it well already - used to love it but have gone off it somewhat. Of the rest, there are quite a few I already knew, but who could object to listening to Messiah again? It remains wonderful no matter how many times. Ditto Swan Lake & 'Moonlight'.

Some things which I hadn't heard before - yes, blushing now - surprised me. I really loved the Schumann, and enjoyed the Debussy.

I had never before heard The Rite of Spring. I am not sure (totally) whether I like it, but it is arresting - impressive - stunningly original - though why they rioted, I still can't imagine. Maybe the suggestiveness of the dancing, maybe something febrile in the atmosphere, maybe just a good excuse for a rammy.

Thank you very much, Mahlerian, for taking this trouble on my behalf.

I have already listened to Karl's post, #2, and very enjoyable it was. Now for North Star and Spineur (rubs hands with glee...) :)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 07, 2017, 12:32:30 PM
Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition (there are also numerous orchestrations, most famously the one by Ravel)
Below are two recordings of the work, by Mikhail Pletnev and Leif-Ove Andsnes.

Have just finished listening to the Pletnev.
Wow - WOW!
It's 'dazzling' indeed - so clever, and such depth.

Thanks, North Star.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 07, 2017, 12:49:25 PM

Bach badinerie from orchestra suite no 2 2:20 of pure happiness

Charles Gounod, Ave Maria

Both lovely - thanks!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Spineur on September 07, 2017, 01:00:30 PM
Have just finished listening to the Pletnev.
Wow - WOW!
It's 'dazzling' indeed - so clever, and such depth.

Thanks, North Star.
Try it with the Ravel orchestration.  It becomes an altogether different piece.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 08, 2017, 01:16:11 AM
^^^^ Thanks for the suggestion - good to know! :)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 08, 2017, 01:16:56 AM

Liszt: La campanella (Grandes études de Paganini, S. 141, No. 3)

Wagner - Ride of the Valkyries (an excerpt from the Ring cycle) [I resisted the temptation to post the Looney Tunes version..]

And Sarasate's Fantasy is a handy way to hear the greatest hits from Bizet's Carmen.

I enjoyed all these - thank you, North Star.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Mahlerian on September 08, 2017, 08:49:50 AM
I didn't bother listening to Bolero as I know it well already - used to love it but have gone off it somewhat. Of the rest, there are quite a few I already knew, but who could object to listening to Messiah again? It remains wonderful no matter how many times. Ditto Swan Lake & 'Moonlight'.

Some things which I hadn't heard before - yes, blushing now - surprised me. I really loved the Schumann, and enjoyed the Debussy.

I had never before heard The Rite of Spring. I am not sure (totally) whether I like it, but it is arresting - impressive - stunningly original - though why they rioted, I still can't imagine. Maybe the suggestiveness of the dancing, maybe something febrile in the atmosphere, maybe just a good excuse for a rammy.

Thank you very much, Mahlerian, for taking this trouble on my behalf.

I have already listened to Karl's post, #2, and very enjoyable it was. Now for North Star and Spineur (rubs hands with glee...) :)

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: North Star on September 08, 2017, 08:54:34 AM
Have just finished listening to the Pletnev.
Wow - WOW!
It's 'dazzling' indeed - so clever, and such depth.

Thanks, North Star.
I enjoyed all these - thank you, North Star.
You're welcome, good to see you're enjoying the ride.
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Mirror Image on September 08, 2017, 05:47:39 PM
As someone fairly new to classical music who can be easily embarrassed by my ignorance, I'm wondering whether any of you seasoned listeners could provide a list of a dozen classical pieces that everyone is 'expected' to know?

All help is gratefully received. Thank you.

I’ll try and give a list, but please be aware that I only pursue music I’m interested in, so my list will pertain to works that I believe most listeners, myself excluded ( ;) ), should know and I’ll limit my list to 15 works (in no particular order):

Bach: Partitas for Solo Violin (all of them --- I believe there’s three of them)
Mozart: Requiem
Haydn: Die Schöpfung (The Creation)
Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 (Choral)
Schubert: Winterreise
Mendelssohn: The Hebrides - Overture
Schumann: Piano Concerto
Brahms: Ein Deutsches Requiem
Mahler: Rückert-Lieder
Debussy: Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun)
Ravel: Bolero
Stravinsky: The Firebird
Janáček: In the Mists
Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet Suite (you’ll know when you’re ready to hear the complete ballet)
Copland: Appalachian Spring
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Pat B on September 08, 2017, 09:51:23 PM
I had never before heard The Rite of Spring. I am not sure (totally) whether I like it, but it is arresting - impressive - stunningly original - though why they rioted, I still can't imagine. Maybe the suggestiveness of the dancing, maybe something febrile in the atmosphere, maybe just a good excuse for a rammy.

Supposedly it was the unconventional choreography more than the music.

To me, the music initially seemed sort of cacophonous. You may have liked it more than I did at first. But it grew on me in a big way, so you may want to give it a few more spins, as the mood strikes.

Glad to see your continuing reports!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 09, 2017, 12:32:44 AM
Thank you, Mirror Image & Pat B. :)
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Mirror Image on September 09, 2017, 06:31:04 AM
Thank you, Mirror Image & Pat B. :)

You’re quite welcome!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 13, 2017, 12:38:51 AM
Off the top of my head, these are essential works that haven't been mentioned yet:

Webern - Symphony op 21
Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
Stravinsky - Agon
Varese - Ameriques
Stockhausen - Gruppen
Xenakis - Jonchaies
Ligeti - Atmospheres
Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima


Hope you enjoy them, it provides a great contrast to many of the examples cited thus far too  8)

'Great contrast' - absolutely right!
Thanks for suggesting this list, α | ì Æ ñ.
It was very interesting to listen, and I'm glad to have done so, but to be honest, this sort of music turns out not to be my cup of tea.

I enjoyed and quite liked the Webern - was bored by the Bartok - could hardly stand listening to the Stockhausen :) - and admired the clever artistry of the Xenakis, Ligeti and Penderecki, but didn't enjoy the uneasiness they induced in me.

It all helps to give me a 'mind-map' of classical music - where it's been, and where it's going. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: nodogen on September 13, 2017, 01:00:08 AM
One of the great things about "classical" is that often composers write very different kinds of works (often over a life's changes in outlook). For example the unease of that Ligeti piece....listen to this short piece by Ligeti, it's a hoot!

https://youtu.be/txMWXvD8kL4

Of course, this means one might need to check out several pieces by a composer!!
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 13, 2017, 01:37:55 AM
One of the great things about "classical" is that often composers write very different kinds of works (often over a life's changes in outlook). For example the unease of that Ligeti piece....listen to this short piece by Ligeti, it's a hoot!

Of course, this means one might need to check out several pieces by a composer!!

You are right, of course. :)
I have just listened to Ligeti's Six Bagatelles (once I'd found it!!!) and this piece was playful and exuberant in a way that I found much more 'up my street'.
Thank you, nodogen.

Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: nodogen on September 13, 2017, 01:43:07 AM
You are right, of course. :)
I have just listened to Ligeti's Six Bagatelles, and they were playful and exuberant in a way that I found much more 'up my street'.
Thank you, nodogen.

You're welcome 😊

Nobody is going to be humming Threnody in the shower are they? (Well, alien might) 🙃
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2017, 03:23:09 AM
- was bored by the Bartok -

Aiyee!  It grieves my soul when someone finds Bartók boring!  (I am not angry, Rosalba, only hurt  8) )

I wanted to find a video of someone playing, but I found either the performance boring, or the performer too . . . showy.  So, this is just a performance which I like very well (and the score passing by . . . .)

http://www.youtube.com/v/lpIlo8tGbSo
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: North Star on September 13, 2017, 04:20:18 AM
Another Bartók 101 suggestion: the Rhapsodies.

https://www.youtube.com/v/KuGjucuowho

https://www.youtube.com/v/0rn0iC60j-0


And, dammit, I can't imagine anyone not enjoying the Romanian Folk Dances.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Wk7QAQEw4ZI
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: Rosalba on September 13, 2017, 04:26:00 AM
Aiyee!  It grieves my soul when someone finds Bartók boring!  (I am not angry, Rosalba, only hurt  8) )

I wanted to find a video of someone playing, but I found either the performance boring, or the performer too . . . showy.  So, this is just a performance which I like very well (and the score passing by . . . .)

Oh sorry!
Of course, I didn't mean that I found the whole of Bartok boring, just that particular one ('Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta').

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)

I am listening to the one you posted, Piano Sonata, Sz. 80, at the moment, and I like it - certainly not boring.

Aha - I see some fresh Bartok has arrived while I've been posting - thanks, North Star!
Will a subscription to the Bartok Fan Club Annual Ball repair the damage? 8)


 
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2017, 04:44:42 AM
Oh sorry!
Of course, I didn't mean that I found the whole of Bartok boring, just that particular one ('Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta').

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)

Of course!  and I was not really sore.  I know that a piece which you find boring today, you may listen to it again 10 years later, and you may find you love it.  Doth not the appetite alter?
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: nodogen on September 13, 2017, 05:41:00 AM

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)


Of course! Your opinion is as "valid" as anyone else's IMO, whatever one's knowledge level. My level is still on the ground floor of the knowledge building, and once I reach the revolving restaurant at the top I will still hate opera. 😈
Title: Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2017, 05:47:39 AM
Of course! Your opinion is as "valid" as anyone else's IMO

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