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Title: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:30:10 PM
Jumping on the bandwagon - can't resist   ::)

Only one symphony allowed:

Symphony 6
Sancta Civitas
Job
The Pilgrim's Progress
Dona Nobis Pacem
Title: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 05, 2015, 12:33:56 PM
Hah!

Symphony N° 3 (A Pastoral Symphony)
Mass in g minor
Five Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme of Thos Tallis
Flos campi
Title: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 05, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
Not that there's aught wrong with your five! I wanted to avoid duplication.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
Only one symphony allowed:

PFFFTTTT!!!

Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Wanderer on May 05, 2015, 12:51:38 PM
A Sea Symphony
The Pilgrim's Progress
Scott of the Antarctic
Piano Concerto
Toward the Unknown Region

Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 12:54:34 PM
PFFFTTTT!!!

Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music

Yippeee!  Sgt. Rock - ya' gotta love him. 
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:55:33 PM
Hah!

Symphony N° 3 (A Pastoral Symphony)
Mass in g minor
Five Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme of Thos Tallis
Flos campi

Great list Karl.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:57:26 PM
A Sea Symphony
The Pilgrim's Progress
Scott of the Antarctic
Piano Concerto
Toward the Unknown Region


Do you mean the Scott film music or Sinfonia Antartica? Coincidentally was listening to the film score on my drive home from work today (Chandos/Rumon Gamba).
The Piano Concerto is very underrated - I prefer the two piano version.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:58:12 PM
Hah!

Symphony N° 3 (A Pastoral Symphony)
Mass in g minor
Five Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme of Thos Tallis
Flos campi

Yes, the Five Mystical Songs is wonderful - I could easily have included it too.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
PFFFTTTT!!!

Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music

Five Variants - a wonderful work which, in some ways it prefer to Tallis Fantasia, great as that is.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Serenade to Music
Symphony #5
Double Piano Concerto
Oboe Concerto
The Lark Ascending
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Serenade to Music
Symphony #5
Double Piano Concerto
Oboe Concerto
The Lark Ascending

Nice to see the double PC getting some support. It is not generally regarded very highly but I am very fond of its craggy appeal.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Jo498 on May 05, 2015, 01:04:08 PM
Tallis Fantasia
Songs of Travel
Hodie Christus natus est (Xmas cantata)
Phantasy (String) Quintet

(I have to re-listen to some symphonies to nominate one of those, emphatically NOT #2, though)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Wanderer on May 05, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Do you mean the Scott film music or Sinfonia Antartica? Coincidentally was listening to the film score on my drive home from work today (Chandos/Rumon Gamba).

The film music of course (as a work-around of the one-symphony rule? you'll never know;), which I love dearly (as well as Sinfonia antartica). And that Chandos recording is splendid, indeed.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 01:08:54 PM
The film music of course (as a work-around of the one-symphony rule? you'll never know;), which I love dearly (as well as Sinfonia antartica). And that Chandos recording is splendid, indeed.
Thanks - I agree.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2015, 01:16:32 PM
Yippeee!  Sgt. Rock - ya' gotta love him.

I am rather lovable  ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Wanderer on May 05, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
The Piano Concerto is very underrated.

It's a great favourite. I don't find the reworking for two pianos (which he did not do all by himself, by the way) as appealing.

Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
8)

In no particular order:

Symphony No. 8
Flos Campi
Job, A Masque for Dancing
The Lark Ascending
Partita for Double String Orchestra
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
8)

In no particular order:

Symphony No. 8
Flos Campi
Job, A Masque for Dancing
The Lark Ascending
Partita for Double String Orchestra

Nice list - second vote for Job.  :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 01:50:35 PM
Nice list - second vote for Job.  :)

Thanks, Jeffrey. Yeah, I've loved Job right from the opening measures. I just knew this was going to be a favorite right from the start. I picked Symphony No. 8 over other favorites like the 3rd through the 6th for the reason that I feel the 8th is not only neglected, but it's one of those symphonies that took me some time to connect with and once I did, it has remained a firm favorite. This work really blows me away.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 01:50:40 PM
Nice to see the double PC getting some support. It is not generally regarded very highly but I am very fond of its craggy appeal.

I think it's reasonable to say that the keyboard was not VW's strongest suit.  I never thought much of the Double either until I heard Menuhin with Broadway and Markham on keyboards (Virgin) - I think I'm virtually alone in liking the rarely heard extra cadenza.  VW was a more experimental composer than most listeners might think and I suspect his biggest fans might actually resent this aspect of him.  The Double is a good example, among other works, of VW "in his lab coat."  "Craggy" is a great way to describe it!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ken B on May 05, 2015, 01:53:20 PM
Flos Campi --- easy easy first choice

Symphony 5 -- not quite so easy second choice
Five Mystical Songs
Songs of Travel
Suite for viola and small orchestra

Might be a different list on another day. I like S4, Lark, Mass, Job quite a lot too.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 01:55:28 PM
I think it's reasonable to say that the keyboard was not VW's strongest suit.  I never thought much of the Double either until I heard Menuhin with Broadway and Markham on keyboards (Virgin) - I think I'm virtually alone in liking the rarely heard extra cadenza.  VW was a more experimental composer than most listeners might think and I suspect his biggest fans might actually resent this aspect of him.  The Double is a good example, among other works, of VW "in his lab coat."  "Craggy" is a great way to describe it!

I've always liked the Piano Concerto but I like it's cousin the Concerto for Two Pianos even more. So this went from a work I merely 'liked' to a work I ended up loving just by adding that extra dimension.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 05, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 05, 2015, 03:38:25 PM
Love that many members here are choosing Flos Campi. I mean this really is one of the most gorgeous works I've ever heard. Viola, orchestra, and a wordless choir plus its written under that stunning lyricism that RVW was known for, how could anyone in their right mind NOT like this work?

*Although James wouldn't like it because RVW isn't 'hip' enough or doesn't break stylistic borders.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ken B on May 05, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending

Doh! How could I forget the quintet!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 05, 2015, 07:50:33 PM
Doh! How could I forget the quintet!

I didn't forget it - it was a contender, for sure!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2015, 10:26:04 PM
Thanks, Jeffrey. Yeah, I've loved Job right from the opening measures. I just knew this was going to be a favorite right from the start. I picked Symphony No. 8 over other favorites like the 3rd through the 6th for the reason that I feel the 8th is not only neglected, but it's one of those symphonies that took me some time to connect with and once I did, it has remained a firm favorite. This work really blows me away.

I am increasingly appreciating No. 8 too, especially in Jurowski's new recording. I heard No.8 live for the first time on 12th October 1972, Vaughan Williams's 100th birthday (Boult conducting, Festival Hall. London).
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 06, 2015, 01:34:18 AM
Interesting, Jeffrey!  The Eighth was an early favorite of mine among the symphonies.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: springrite on May 06, 2015, 01:40:59 AM

Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
London Symphony
Symphony #4
Lark Ascending
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 06, 2015, 01:42:48 AM
A Sea Symphony
The Pilgrim's Progress
Scott of the Antarctic
Piano Concerto
Toward the Unknown Region



Big +1 for Toward the Unknown Region!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 06, 2015, 03:06:56 AM
I think it's reasonable to say that the keyboard was not VW's strongest suit.  I never thought much of the Double either until I heard Menuhin with Broadway and Markham on keyboards (Virgin)

That's a great recording. It's coupled with my favorite Fifth.

Sarge
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 06, 2015, 03:50:43 AM
Okay, I thought I must have the two-pf concerto, because Amazon calls this two-fer "Complete Concertos."  Amazon is simply purveying misinformation  8)

Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mr Bloom on May 06, 2015, 04:57:24 AM
Okay, I thought I must have the two-pf concerto, because Amazon calls this two-fer "Complete Concertos."  Amazon is simply purveying misinformation  8)
The two piano concerto is an adaptation of the piano concerto, which was thought at the time too difficult to play for a single pianist. It's pretty much the same work, so Amazon wasn't wrong.

A few months ago, I listened to pretty much everything RVW wrote in a short period of time. This is the 10 personal favorites that came out of it :

1.   Symphony n°6
2.   Four poems by Fredegond Shove
3.   Symphony n°9
4.   The lark’s ascending
5.   Symphony n°5
6.   Four last songs
7.   Piano concerto
8.   Symphony n°4
9.   Riders to the sea
10.   String quartet n°2

Flos Campi, Symphony n°8, Five Tudor portraits and the ten blake songs are right behind.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 06, 2015, 05:13:36 AM
The two piano concerto is an adaptation of the piano concerto, which was thought at the time too difficult to play for a single pianist. It's pretty much the same work, so Amazon wasn't wrong.

Most interesting, thanks.  Well, they weren't wrong, but they might have been clearer  :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 06, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
London Symphony
Symphony #4
Lark Ascending

You can only pick one symphony, Paul. :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 06, 2015, 06:24:15 AM
I am increasingly appreciating No. 8 too, especially in Jurowski's new recording. I heard No.8 live for the first time on 12th October 1972, Vaughan Williams's 100th birthday (Boult conducting, Festival Hall. London).

Very nice, Jeffrey. I'll have to check out Jurowski's recording.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: springrite on May 06, 2015, 06:25:31 AM
You can only pick one symphony, Paul. :)

That is easy.

Fiive Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Oboe Concerto
Symphony #4
Lark Ascending
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: North Star on May 06, 2015, 06:51:13 AM
Symphony no. 5
Tallis Fantasia
On Wenlock Edge
Flos campi
Toward the Unknown Region
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 06, 2015, 07:03:34 AM
Symphony no. 5
Tallis Fantasia
On Wenlock Edge
Flos campi
Toward the Unknown Region


Surely, an impeccable list!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 06, 2015, 10:47:47 AM
The two piano concerto is an adaptation of the piano concerto, which was thought at the time too difficult to play for a single pianist. It's pretty much the same work, so Amazon wasn't wrong.

A few months ago, I listened to pretty much everything RVW wrote in a short period of time. This is the 10 personal favorites that came out of it :

1.   Symphonie n°6
2.   Four poems by Fredegond Shove
3.   Symphony n°9
4.   The lark’s ascending
5.   Symphony n°5
6.   Four last songs
7.   Piano concerto
8.   Symphony n°4
9.   Riders to the sea
10.   String quartet n°2

Flos Campi, Symphony n°8, Five Tudor portraits and the ten blake songs are right behind.

I'm especially interested in your choice of Four Poems by Fredgond Shove. Having listed to Vaughan Williams's music for over forty years I only discovered them a couple of weeks ago when I impulse bought a cheap second hand CD of songs by Vaughan Williams and Rubbra on Amazon. I thought that the song 'Four Nights' from the Shove cycle was absolutely beautiful and haunting and was delighted to discover a new VW work of such appeal.
Riders to the Sea is another haunting and moving score. I am also a great admirer of the a String Quartet No.2 with its echoes of Symphony 6 - his greatest in my view.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mr Bloom on May 06, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
You can only pick one symphony, Paul. :)
This message wasn't for me, but I missed that rule  ;).
So, my choice of five would be :
Symphony n°6
Four poems by Fredegond Shove
The lark’s ascending
Piano concerto
Riders to the sea

I'm especially interested in your choice of Four Poems by Fredgond Shove. Having listed to Vaughan Williams's music for over forty years I only discovered them a couple of weeks ago when I impulse bought a cheap second hand CD of songs by Vaughan Williams and Rubbra on Amazon. I thought that the song 'Four Nights' from the Shove cycle was absolutely beautiful and haunting and was delighted to discover a new VW work of such appeal.
I've also discovered recently the Four poems by Fredegond Shove when I listened, in sequence, to everything RVW wrote. I think it's one of his most haunting and subtle piece. It's one of these pieces in which a lot is done with only a few chord sequences, a few notes and a simple melody, nothing fancy or spectacular. The first three songs are just dusky jewels to me.

I also agree on the echoes of symphony 6 in the second string quartet. A great piece, that deserve more acknowledgment than it gets.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 06, 2015, 01:42:26 PM
This message wasn't for me, but I missed that rule  ;).
So, my choice of five would be :
Symphony n°6
Four poems by Fredegond Shove
The lark’s ascending
Piano concerto
Riders to the sea
I've also discovered recently the Four poems by Fredegond Shove when I listened, in sequence, to everything RVW wrote. I think it's one of his most haunting and subtle piece. It's one of these pieces in which a lot is done with only a few chord sequences, a few notes and a simple melody, nothing fancy or spectacular. The first three songs are just dusky jewels to me.

I also agree on the echoes of symphony 6 in the second string quartet. A great piece, that deserve more acknowledgment than it gets.

Totally agree with you. The late, craggy Violin Sonata is another favourite as is the 'Fantasia on the Old 104th'.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on May 09, 2015, 03:07:33 AM
Ooff, have played his music for about 40 years - and love it all.  Noblesse oblige, as they say; and otherwise I feel obliged as well.  :) My desert island choice would be:

Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
A Pastoral Symphony (1916-21)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
Partita for Double String Orchestra (1948)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-57)

Edit: Sorry, missed the playing rules! With only one piece per category, I now opt for:

Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
Mass in g minor (1922)
Flos Campi for viola, wordless chorus, and small orchestra (1925)
Suite for Pipes (1939)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 09, 2015, 08:16:07 AM
Ooff, have played his music for about 40 years - and love it all.  Noblesse oblige, as they say; and otherwise I feel obliged as well.  :) My desert island choice would be:

Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
A Pastoral Symphony (1916-21)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)
Partita for Double String Orchestra (1948)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-57)

Edit: Sorry, missed the playing rules! With only one piece per category, I now opt for:

Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (1910)
Mass in g minor (1922)
Flos Campi for viola, wordless chorus, and small orchestra (1925)
Suite for Pipes (1939)
Symphony No. 6 (1944-47)

'Suite for Pipes' (1939)!! Never heard of it - panicky search of Amazon in process  :o


Had I been able to choose more that one Symphony I would definitely have chosen No.9 and the 1913 version of A London Symphony as well as No.6.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on May 09, 2015, 09:07:33 AM
'Suite for Pipes' (1939)!! Never heard of it - panicky search of Amazon in process  :o

Had I been able to choose more that one Symphony I would definitely have chosen No.9 and the 1913 version of A London Symphony as well as No.6.

There are two recordings of the Suite for Pipes available on CD. One with the Flanders Recorder Quartet - that I like most, but is hard to find nowadays - and one with the Swedish Recorder Quartet:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)(http://direct.rhapsody.com/imageserver/v2/albums/Alb.40598078/images/500x500.jpg)

There's also a less professional recording on Youtube (warning: not on an equal level at all, compared with the two above; but it offers an impression of the music);
https://www.youtube.com/v/K4rfvEmgsUM
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 09, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
There are two recordings of the Suite for Pipes available on CD. One with the Flanders Recorder Quartet - that I like most, but is hard to find nowadays - and one with the Swedish Recorder Quartet:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)(http://direct.rhapsody.com/imageserver/v2/albums/Alb.40598078/images/500x500.jpg)

There's also a less professional recording on Youtube (warning: not on an equal level at all, compared with the two above; but it offers an impression of the music);
https://www.youtube.com/v/K4rfvEmgsUM

Many thanks Johan  :)

I had already tracked down three movements of the four on You Tube played by the Swedish group and the complete work (which you kindly posted) which didn't sound too far removed from me playing the recorder at school  ???
It is a fine work, very 'Medieval England' in spirit. The second movement was especially lovely. Thanks for alerting me to it.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on May 13, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Another banchetto musicale, compositions from the second half of the 1950s, the composer as an octogenarian, remarkably fruitful years, more adventurous and exploring than ever:

Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-7)
Ten Blake Songs, song cycle for high voice and oboe (1957)
Variations for brass band (1957)
The First Nowell, nativity play (1958)


Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 14, 2015, 01:38:29 PM
Another banchetto musicale, compositions from the second half of the 1950s, the composer as an octogenarian, remarkably fruitful years, more adventurous and exploring than ever:

Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955)
Symphony No. 9 (1956-7)
Ten Blake Songs, song cycle for high voice and oboe (1957)
Variations for brass band (1957)
The First Nowell, nativity play (1958)

Yes, all great works. The late, craggy, Violin Sonata and the 'Fantasia on the Old 104th' are also favourites of mine.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on May 15, 2015, 03:16:26 AM
I had already tracked down three movements of the four on You Tube played by the Swedish group and the complete work (which you kindly posted) which didn't sound too far removed from me playing the recorder at school  ??? It is a fine work, very 'Medieval England' in spirit. The second movement was especially lovely. Thanks for alerting me to it.

I found the Flanders Recorder Quartet recording of the beautiful 'Intrada' from the Suite for Pipes as well, on Youtube:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com) https://www.youtube.com/v/wdS1Pf-5-vg
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on May 15, 2015, 08:27:21 AM
I found the Flanders Recorder Quartet recording of the beautiful 'Intrada' from the Suite for Pipes as well, on Youtube:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com) https://www.youtube.com/v/wdS1Pf-5-vg
thanks very much.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ken B on May 15, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
I found the Flanders Recorder Quartet recording of the beautiful 'Intrada' from the Suite for Pipes as well, on Youtube:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/153/MI0001153026.jpg?partner=allrovi.com) https://www.youtube.com/v/wdS1Pf-5-vg

Hey! That painting on the right looks very Group of 7, Franklin Carmichael in particular.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: North Star on May 15, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
Hey! That painting on the right looks very Group of 7, Franklin Carmichael in particular.
So it does! Can't say I noticed that before you said, though, as I haven't studied their works in any depth below the odd 10 minutes of looking at their works & bios online. The colours are very much what was used by them, perhaps Carmichael especially. Can't find the work now, though. There is Cezanne / 1900s Kandinsky-like look to the work (it certainly can't be confused as either artist's work, though), but definitely not the colours. Would be interesting if that work was identified, I didn't find it here (http://www.wikiart.org/en/artists-by-painting-school/group-of-seven).
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ken B on May 15, 2015, 05:05:29 PM
So it does! Can't say I noticed that before you said, though, as I haven't studied their works in any depth below the odd 10 minutes of looking at their works & bios online. The colours are very much what was used by them, perhaps Carmichael especially. Can't find the work now, though. There is Cezanne / 1900s Kandinsky-like look to the work (it certainly can't be confused as either artist's work, though), but definitely not the colours. Would be interesting if that work was identified, I didn't find it here (http://www.wikiart.org/en/artists-by-painting-school/group-of-seven).

I am 99% sure it's Carmichael and 100% astounded a Finn would recognize that!

Here's a review of a show by Brian Sewell. http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/exhibitions/painting-canada-tom-thomson-and-the-group-of-seven-dulwich-picture-gallery--review-7427192.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/exhibitions/painting-canada-tom-thomson-and-the-group-of-seven-dulwich-picture-gallery--review-7427192.html)

I watched Sewell's Grand Tour. After reeling across the room from accent-shock I eventually found him a congenial host. But his personality is so strong and marked I expect many would not. (I like "provocative old queens" in general.)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 25, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
8)

In no particular order:

Symphony No. 8
Flos Campi
Job, A Masque for Dancing
The Lark Ascending
Partita for Double String Orchestra

Wow...this is still a strong list. All of these works are favorites and I couldn't possibly add/subtract anything to it.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: opaquer on January 25, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
I'm not 100% but it includes:

Piano Concerto
London symphony
The Wasps
Sinfonia antartica
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 25, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
I'm not 100% but it includes:

Piano Concerto
London symphony
The Wasps
Sinfonia antartica

Have you explored much of RVW's music, Josh?
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: opaquer on January 25, 2017, 09:30:16 PM
Have you explored much of RVW's music, Josh?

I guess a fair bit :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 25, 2017, 09:35:15 PM
I guess a fair bit :)

I wish I knew what 'a fair bit' actually meant in your own terms. :-\
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: opaquer on January 25, 2017, 09:43:47 PM
I wish I knew what 'a fair bit' actually meant in your own terms. :-\

Most of the symphonies, one of the opera, most of the concerto-ish pieces, the mass, incidental/ballet music and the folk song suite/s
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 05:21:47 AM
Today's List:

Symphony 6
A London Symphony (1913 version)
Symphony 9
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 05:24:06 AM
Today's List:

Symphony 6
A London Symphony (1913 version)
Symphony 9
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos.
I broke my own rule - only one symphony allowed!  ::)

Ok, so here goes again:

Symphony 6
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos
Violin Sonata
Fantasia on the Old 104th
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 27, 2017, 06:11:51 AM
So, Jeffery, your favorites have changed in the last 20 months:

Symphony 6
The Pilgrim's Progress
Concerto for Two Pianos
Violin Sonata
Fantasia on the Old 104th

Jumping on the bandwagon - can't resist   ::)

Only one symphony allowed:

Symphony 6
Sancta Civitas
Job
The Pilgrim's Progress
Dona Nobis Pacem

That's okay. I'm reconsidering mine, too, but will, for now, stick with what I chose the last time you created this thread:


Symphony No.4
Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Fantasia on "Greensleeves"
Serenade to Music
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 11:03:21 AM
So, Jeffery, your favorites have changed in the last 20 months:

That's okay. I'm reconsidering mine, too, but will, for now, stick with what I chose the last time you created this thread:
I think that this is caused by the difference between 'favourite' and 'greatest'. 'Top...' Is a bit ambiguous but there are so many that I could have chosen. I love Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus - the composer had it played at his funeral.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: jessop on January 27, 2017, 02:22:41 PM
I haven't explored much Vaughan Williams beyond the symphonies, but here is a list in a rough order of preference

Symphony no. 4
Symphony no. 8
Serenade to Music
Symphony no. 7
Songs of Travel

I had to break the symphony rule because I don't know other works well enough just yet. In time I will update my list.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: North Star on January 27, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 27, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata

Outstanding (and balanced)  8)

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Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
I haven't explored much Vaughan Williams beyond the symphonies, but here is a list in a rough order of preference

Symphony no. 4
Symphony no. 8
Serenade to Music
Symphony no. 7
Songs of Travel

I had to break the symphony rule because I don't know other works well enough just yet. In time I will update my list.
I made the rule and then broke it myself! So no problem at all.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 27, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Nice to see another vote for the late, craggy Violin Sonata.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 27, 2017, 07:30:41 PM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata

Thumbs up. Great list, Karlo. 8)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 30, 2017, 12:21:24 AM
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Flos Campi
Mass in g minor
Symphony No.5
Violin Sonata
Yes, great list indeed. The Violin Sonata is doing well in this thread.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Wow...this is still a strong list. All of these works are favorites and I couldn't possibly add/subtract anything to it.

Okay, I lied...it's time for an update (in no particular order):

5 Mystical Songs
Flos Campi
A Pastoral Symphony (Symphony No. 3)
Job, A Masque for Dancing
String Quartet No. 2


It'll probably change again tomorrow...lol.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: jessop on January 30, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
Heaps of people are mentioning Flos Campi; I should check that one out.....

What recording is most recommended?
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2017, 03:18:41 PM
Heaps of people are mentioning Flos Campi; I should check that one out.....

What recording is most recommended?

Check out the Willcocks performance on EMI. I've heard almost all performances of the work and haven't really heard a bad one yet.

Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: jessop on January 30, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
Check out the Willcocks performance on EMI. I've heard almost all performances of the work and haven't really heard a bad one yet.



Thanks, MI. I haven't heard of Willcocks before...maybe a new discovery there for me as well!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2017, 03:25:35 PM
Thanks, MI. I haven't heard of Willcocks before...maybe a new discovery there for me as well!

No problem. Sir David Willcocks was one of the great British choral conductors. He passed away not too long ago (in 2015 I believe).

(https://dlynx.rhodes.edu/jspui/bitstream/10267/8837/1/Sir%20David%20Wilcocks.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: André on January 30, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending

Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel !  >:D )
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2017, 08:43:37 PM
- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending

Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel !  >:D )

Cruel indeed. :) The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains is next on my to-listen-to list. I've got the Matthew Best recording of it on Hyperion. This work must have really meant something to you for it to be considered for your own 'Top 5'.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: André on January 31, 2017, 05:17:43 AM
Cruel indeed. :) The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains is next on my to-listen-to list. I've got the Matthew Best recording of it on Hyperion. This work must have really meant something to you for it to be considered for your own 'Top 5'.

Indeed. I bought the Hyperion disc when it came out (nice cover, nice titles, varied program). It was my first non symphonic VW disc (symphonies, Job, Tallis Fantasia). What I like about it is the music of course, but also the compactness of the work: evry time I listen to it, it leaves me wanting for more.

If you know VW's Pilgrim's Progress, you'll know what to expect: Shepherds was composed first, then incorporated (Act IV, scene 2) into that opera.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 31, 2017, 06:15:45 AM
Indeed. I bought the Hyperion disc when it came out (nice cover, nice titles, varied program). It was my first non symphonic VW disc (symphonies, Job, Tallis Fantasia). What I like about it is the music of course, but also the compactness of the work: evry time I listen to it, it leaves me wanting for more.

If you know VW's Pilgrim's Progress, you'll know what to expect: Shepherds was composed first, then incorporated (Act IV, scene 2) into that opera.

Very nice! I've only heard The Pilgrim's Progress once, but I plan on listening to it again rather soon. Do you like the Boult on EMI or Hickox on Chandos or both? I'm probably going to listen to the Boult.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: André on January 31, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
I have the Boult - twice: it appears in 2 different big boxes  ::). VW has used and re-used both score and music in different works. I love the Bunyan Sequence (64 minutes). I actually listened to that a lot more often than the whole opera (or 'Morality Play', as VW called it).

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zd2aujH7L.jpg)


Apparently Amazon sells used copies for 0.01$ !


https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW (https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on January 31, 2017, 03:30:17 PM
I have the Boult - twice: it appears in 2 different big boxes  ::). VW has used and re-used both score and music in different works. I love the Bunyan Sequence (64 minutes). I actually listened to that a lot more often than the whole opera (or 'Morality Play', as VW called it).

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zd2aujH7L.jpg)


Apparently Amazon sells used copies for 0.01$ !


https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW (https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW)
Great CD.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 31, 2017, 07:51:49 PM
I have the Boult - twice: it appears in 2 different big boxes  ::). VW has used and re-used both score and music in different works. I love the Bunyan Sequence (64 minutes). I actually listened to that a lot more often than the whole opera (or 'Morality Play', as VW called it).

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51zd2aujH7L.jpg)


Apparently Amazon sells used copies for 0.01$ !


https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW (https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Pilgrims-Progress-Sequence/dp/B000002ZPW)

Yep, I own all of Matthew Best's RVW recordings, but I haven't listened to the one you posted above. Will have to check it out at some point, but I really want to hear the whole opera since it's been so long since I've last heard it.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 08, 2017, 07:28:11 AM
Time to change up my list a bit:

Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on February 11, 2017, 02:12:40 AM
Time to change up my list a bit:

Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis

I would very much agree but might substitute Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus for the Tallis Fantasia and might have to include the Pilgrim's Progress and the Violin Sonata somewhere.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 11, 2017, 06:48:16 AM
I would very much agree but might substitute Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus for the Tallis Fantasia and might have to include the Pilgrim's Progress and the Violin Sonata somewhere.

The thing about creating a RVW list, Jeffrey, is nothing is really set in stone, so there's no doubt these could change yet again and soon. :) I do love 5 Variants on 'Dives and Lazarus', although I might choose his Concerto Grosso or Partita (which coincidently I have chosen before), but the majestic quality of the Tallis Fantasia has more recently put me under it's spell.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Dee Sharp on February 11, 2017, 08:52:41 AM
Symphony No. 3
Serenade to Music
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Lark Ascending
Flos Campi
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 11, 2017, 09:00:10 AM
Symphony No. 3
Serenade to Music
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Lark Ascending
Flos Campi

A fine list full of ethereal beauty.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 11, 2017, 08:56:28 PM
Another little gem in RVW's oeuvre that seems to go unnoticed is Two Hymn-Tune Preludes, which is absolutely gorgeous in it's simplicity and directness.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on February 11, 2017, 11:31:14 PM
Another little gem in RVW's oeuvre that seems to go unnoticed is Two Hymn-Tune Preludes, which is absolutely gorgeous in it's simplicity and directness.
Even more so in the hands of Bryden Thomson (one of the many reasons his cycle for Chandos proved such a revelation when they appeared one by one in the 1980s):
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bziRSEChL._SS500.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on February 12, 2017, 04:25:15 AM
Another little gem in RVW's oeuvre that seems to go unnoticed is Two Hymn-Tune Preludes, which is absolutely gorgeous in it's simplicity and directness.
One of the Three Welsh Hymn Tune Preludes (Rhosymedre) was played at my wedding.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 07:09:58 AM
Even more so in the hands of Bryden Thomson (one of the many reasons his cycle for Chandos proved such a revelation when they appeared one by one in the 1980s):
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bziRSEChL._SS500.jpg)

Indeed, Johan. Thomson's cycle is still one of my favorites. Thomson had much command on the podium and the stunning sound from Chandos made this cycle a win/win for me. I wish I had bought his cycle individually looking back, but I own the set of symphonies and the companion set of concerti and other orchestral works. Hickox also recorded a gorgeous performance of Two Hymn-Tune Preludes.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 07:10:41 AM
One of the Three Welsh Hymn Tune Preludes (Rhosymedre) was played at my wedding.

Beautiful, Jeffrey. I love that work as well, which is subtitled "Household Music", correct?
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ghost Sonata on February 12, 2017, 07:29:50 AM
There's still VW that has not been recorded yet.  Maybe it's the best yet...

1.) Serenade to Music (to think that VW himself was at Cornell University and heard this work performed only 100 miles or so from where I used to live...too young to appreciate it anyway :'()
2.) Symphony #5
3.) Oboe Concerto
4.) Flos Campi
5.) Phantasy Quintet

With the Sea Symphony as my lagniappe.  Hey John, what think ye of Hickox's 5th?
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on February 12, 2017, 07:46:54 AM
One of the Three Welsh Hymn Tune Preludes (Rhosymedre) was played at my wedding.
:-[ I had it played at my wedding too.  :D
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on February 12, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
Beautiful, Jeffrey. I love that work as well, which is subtitled "Household Music", correct?

You're referring at Household Music: Three Preludes on Welsh Hymn Tunes for string quartet or other instruments (1941): 1. Fantasia, Crug-y-bar; 2. Scherzo, St. Denio; 3. Variation, Aberystwyth - which I prefer to hear in its version for string orchestra, recorded by Hickox for Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FQRD7118L._SX355_.jpg)

Rhosymedre, at the other hand, is one of the Three Preludes founded on Welsh Hymn Tunes (1920) for organ: 1. Bryn Calfaria, 2. Rhosymedre, 3. Hyfrydol; the two latter pieces also arranged for orchestra by Arnold Foster.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 07:54:50 AM
There's still VW that has not been recorded yet.  Maybe it's the best yet...

1.) Serenade to Music (to think that VW himself was at Cornell University and heard this work performed only 100 miles or so from where I used to live...too young to appreciate it anyway :'()
2.) Symphony #5
3.) Oboe Concerto
4.) Flos Campi
5.) Phantasy Quintet

With the Sea Symphony as my lagniappe.  Hey John, what think ye of Hickox's 5th?

I don't like Hickox's 5th --- it feels somehow rushed and he somehow feels detached from the musical proceedings. It's been several years since I've heard but those were my initial impressions. Maybe my opinion has changed? I still believe Previn and Thomson have the best Fifths, but there have been other great performances. Now, the question thrown back at you: what do you think of Hickox's 5th?

P.S. Great list!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 07:57:16 AM
You're referring at Household Music: Three Preludes on Welsh Hymn Tunes for string quartet or other instruments (1941): 1. Fantasia, Crug-y-bar; 2. Scherzo, St. Denio; 3. Variation, Aberystwyth - which I prefer to hear in its version for string orchestra, recorded by Hickox for Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FQRD7118L._SX355_.jpg)

Rhosymedre, at the other hand, is one of the Three Preludes founded on Welsh Hymn Tunes (1920) for organ: 1. Bryn Calfaria, 2. Rhosymedre, 3. Hyfrydol; the two latter pieces also arranged for orchestra by Arnold Foster.

Ah okay, sorry for the mix-up, which is easy to do given both titles have the words: three, preludes, Welsh, hymn, and tunes in their titles. ::) :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on February 12, 2017, 08:16:09 AM
Ah okay, sorry for the mix-up, which is easy to do given both titles have the words: three, preludes, Welsh, hymn, and tunes in their titles. ::) :)

Let's add the 1955 Prelude on Three Welsh Hymn Tunes for brass band (1. Ebenezer; 2. Calfaria; 3. Hyfrydol) to the confusion then.  ;)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 08:19:34 AM
Let's add the 1955 Prelude on Three Welsh Hymn Tunes for brass band (1. Ebenezer; 2. Calfaria; 3. Hyfrydol) to the confusion then.  ;)

;D
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ghost Sonata on February 13, 2017, 05:46:59 AM
I don't like Hickox's 5th --- it feels somehow rushed and he somehow feels detached from the musical proceedings. It's been several years since I've heard but those were my initial impressions. Maybe my opinion has changed? I still believe Previn and Thomson have the best Fifths, but there have been other great performances. Now, the question thrown back at you: what do you think of Hickox's 5th?...


I like it rather better than you seem to, John, but it is not a fave.  Chandos engineering excels brilliantly on that disc, but the reason I cherish it is for the other works on it. 
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2017, 07:22:13 AM
I like it rather better than you seem to, John, but it is not a fave.  Chandos engineering excels brilliantly on that disc, but the reason I cherish it is for the other works on it.

Yeah, I listened to Hickox's 5th yesterday and I wasn't really taken with the performance. A great performance, IMHO, is one that pulls you with it and you're left hanging on every measure. Needless to say, I didn't feel that way with the Hickox. The sound quality is excellent without a doubt, though.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Ghost Sonata on February 13, 2017, 10:29:53 AM
Yeah, I listened to Hickox's 5th yesterday and I wasn't really taken with the performance. A great performance, IMHO, is one that pulls you with it and you're left hanging on every measure. Needless to say, I didn't feel that way with the Hickox. The sound quality is excellent without a doubt, though.

I listened to it again as well and (your influence, no doubt!  :) ;D :laugh:) like it less than I did before.  It seems terribly self-conscious, deliberate, even forced in its dramatic effects. I was, yet again, thrilled with that Chandos sound, which - usually - I love anyway.  Moving to the other works on that disc and I think I may as well make it a VW day. 
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2017, 10:56:43 AM
I listened to it again as well and (your influence, no doubt!  :) ;D :laugh:) like it less than I did before.  It seems terribly self-conscious, deliberate, even forced in its dramatic effects. I was, yet again, thrilled with that Chandos sound, which - usually - I love anyway.  Moving to the other works on that disc and I think I may as well make it a VW day.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that about the Hickox. ;) Previn with the LSO is a performance of the 5th that grips me from the onset. RVW must be performed with a driven purpose in order for me to be fully convinced even it's in the more atmospheric works like A Pastoral Symphony or Flos Campi. These kind of works especially need a helping hand or in this case, a baton. :) A lot of the newer performances of RVW seem to be lacking a certain magic like, for example, Andrew Davis' newest recording on Chandos of Job and Symphony No. 9, which didn't displace any of my long-standing favorites.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: SymphonicAddict on August 11, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
A first listen to Dona nobis pacem. Viciously beautiful and epic

Dona nobis pacem
Symphony No. 2 (revised versión [unpopular opinion?])
Concerto grosso
Serenade to music (16 vocal soloists and orchestra)
Job

Some other fantastic alternatives:
-Symphony No. 4
-Phantasy String Quintet
-Towards the Unknown Region
-Flos campi
-Five variants of Dives and Lazarus
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on August 12, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
A first listen to Dona nobis pacem. Viciously beautiful and epic

Dona nobis pacem
Symphony No. 2 (revised versión [unpopular opinion?])
Concerto grosso
Serenade to music (16 vocal soloists and orchestra)
Job

Some other fantastic alternatives:
-Symphony No. 4
-Phantasy String Quintet
-Towards the Unknown Region
-Flos campi
-Five variants of Dives and Lazarus

Very interesting. I love many composers, but RVW holds a special place ever since I came under his spell when I was 14, 15. Of the ten compositions you mention, only the last two - Flos Campi and the Five Variants - would be among my absolute favourites, though, of course, love them all. ;) To illustrate these minors differences a bit:
- the London Symphony is for me not in the same league as Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; in short, not among my favourite symphonies, because I find the first and fourth movement less convincing (but love the two middle ones). As Vandermolen, I prefer the original, 1914 version, because that compensates for this structural weakness with an abundancy of colour. You are right.  :)
- As to Dona Nobis Pacem: I love it, and was lucky enough to hear it performed three times; and live it works best IMHO. Yet, RVW himself preferred Sancta Civitas (1925), as I do, and I also have a week spot for The Sons of Light (1950) and especially for the naive Christmas oratorio Hodie (1954) (all of his Christmas cantatas/similar are terrific, from the ballet On Christmas Night (1926) to his moving final work, the nativity play The First Nowell (1958).)
- Unlike Vandermolen, who will no doubt respond with appropriate horror  ;), I totally agree with you about the ethereal beauty of the Serenade to Music (1938). It's worth reminding that the poet held the same opinion:

The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved by this sweet serenade,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.  >:D
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 12, 2017, 02:44:34 AM
- the London Symphony is for me not in the same league as Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; in short, not among my favourite symphonies, because I find the first and fourth movement less convincing (but love the two middle ones). As Vandermolen, I prefer the original, 1914 version, because that compensates for this structural weakness with an abundancy of colour. You are right.  :)

Well, it does not necessarily mean that his is the unpopular opinion; only that at present, there are two votes against his one  0:)


(I do not as yet have a preference for one over the other.)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: SymphonicAddict on August 12, 2017, 04:30:02 PM
Very interesting. I love many composers, but RVW holds a special place ever since I came under his spell when I was 14, 15. Of the ten compositions you mention, only the last two - Flos Campi and the Five Variants - would be among my absolute favourites, though, of course, love them all. ;) To illustrate these minors differences a bit:
- the London Symphony is for me not in the same league as Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; in short, not among my favourite symphonies, because I find the first and fourth movement less convincing (but love the two middle ones). As Vandermolen, I prefer the original, 1914 version, because that compensates for this structural weakness with an abundancy of colour. You are right.  :)
- As to Dona Nobis Pacem: I love it, and was lucky enough to hear it performed three times; and live it works best IMHO. Yet, RVW himself preferred Sancta Civitas (1925), as I do, and I also have a week spot for The Sons of Light (1950) and especially for the naive Christmas oratorio Hodie (1954) (all of his Christmas cantatas/similar are terrific, from the ballet On Christmas Night (1926) to his moving final work, the nativity play The First Nowell (1958).)
- Unlike Vandermolen, who will no doubt respond with appropriate horror  ;), I totally agree with you about the ethereal beauty of the Serenade to Music (1938). It's worth reminding that the poet held the same opinion:

The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved by this sweet serenade,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.  >:D

Great illustration. What I have with the Nr. 2 is very emotional. It was the first work I heard of VW, since that moment I fell in love with his music, completely hooked, and I had to collect his other 8 magnific examples of the form. That situation happens with other composers and works, there are emotions in between. I think I haven't listened to something I didn't like of his vast output.

On the other hand, you are very lucky having attended several performances of Dona nobis pacem!  :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 12, 2017, 04:30:54 PM
On the other hand, you are very lucky having attended several performances of Dona nobis pacem!  :)

No kidding!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: SymphonicAddict on August 12, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
No kidding!

I'm somewhat jealous in a good way  :P
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 13, 2017, 06:07:18 AM
Sea Symphony
Serenade to Music
Flos Campi
Phantasy Quintet
The Lark Ascending

Going to have to replace one with RVW's 5th Symphony, been listening to it a lot the past year. And for a bonus, the Nashville Symphony is performing the 5th in early 2018, so I can add it to my list of RVW pieces I've seen live!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on August 13, 2017, 06:53:35 AM
Can't believe that Christo's still rambling on about 'Serenade to Music'  :o 8) ??? ;)

Today's favourites are or remain:

Symphony 6 (really look forward to hearing the Elder recording)
Symphony 9 (Stokowski)
Job (Boult EMI or either Decca version)
Dona Nobis Pacem (liked that old Ormandy recording)
Pilgrim's Progress

Alternative Five

Violin Sonata
Fantasia on the Old 104th
Violin Sonata
A London Symphony (1913 version or 1920 version - not 1936 version which IMHO does not include the best bit at the Epilogue)
Symphony 5 (Barbirolli/EMI).
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: kyjo on September 12, 2017, 03:40:46 PM
At the current moment, I'd have to go with:

A London Symphony (no. 2)
Symphony no. 6
Symphony no. 9
Job
Phantasy Quintet
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on September 13, 2017, 12:49:56 AM
At the current moment, I'd have to go with:

A London Symphony (no. 2)
Symphony no. 6
Symphony no. 9
Job
Phantasy Quintet
Great choices with which I largely agree. I would opt for the 1913 or 1920 version of A London Symphony (a new version of the 1920 is coming out on Hyperion soon). I can no longer listen to the 1936 version without being acutely aware of the missing section at the end which partially ruins it for me.
I'd also opt for the late, craggy Violin Sonata or SQ No.2 rather than the eloquent Phantasy Quintet. Totally agree on the symphonic choices.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: André on September 13, 2017, 05:12:41 AM
The Phantasy Quintet has been mentioned repeatedly. I know I have it, but when I went through the big VW box on EMI it didn't catch my attention (I see it's buried on disc 13). Time for a reassessment !
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on September 13, 2017, 05:39:41 AM
The Phantasy Quintet has been mentioned repeatedly. I know I have it, but when I went through the big VW box on EMI it didn't catch my attention (I see it's buried on disc 13). Time for a reassessment !
It's very good Andre.
 :)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Maestro267 on September 13, 2017, 06:18:17 AM
Thankfully I read the OP before posting this. Only one symphony allowed. Righty then...

Sinfonia antartica
Tallis Fantasia
Dona nobis pacem
Job
Piano Concerto
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: kyjo on September 13, 2017, 06:40:00 AM
Thankfully I read the OP before posting this. Only one symphony allowed. Righty then...

Oops...I completely missed that ::) Sorry, Jeffrey ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: André on September 13, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
- A Sea Symphony
- The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains
- Toward the Unknown Region
- Job
- The Lark Ascending

Also, the Tallis Fantasia of course (man, just 5 works: this is cruel !  >:D )

I haven't changed my list one bit, but submit the following as very acceptable substitutes:

- Symphony no 6
- Five Mystical Songs
- Five Tudor Portraits
- Hodie
- Serenade to Music

And Flos Campi of course !
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: SymphonicAddict on September 13, 2017, 08:19:31 PM
Thankfully I read the OP before posting this. Only one symphony allowed. Righty then...

Sinfonia antartica
Tallis Fantasia
Dona nobis pacem
Job
Piano Concerto

I've seen much support for Dona nobis pacem. Such an awesome setting of poignant texts.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on September 13, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
I've seen much support for Dona nobis pacem. Such an awesome setting of poignant texts.
What strikes me, is that so many different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia.  8)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: André on September 14, 2017, 07:01:59 AM
What strikes me, is that so many different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia.  8)

Hey, you bet ! Few XXth Century composers have run as diverse a workshop as RVW. Only the solo instrument medium seems to have escaped his protean interest. A  comprehensive yet still stingy list would contain a minimum of 15 items !
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 14, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
[...] apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia.  8)

But, that is indeed one exquisite score  0:)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: SymphonicAddict on September 14, 2017, 11:01:18 AM
What strikes me, is that so many different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia.  8)

Of course, His oeuvre is vast, including practically all forms. There is plenty to choose from. I like the Tallis Fantasia a lot, but I didn't include it in my list. BTW, Sancta Civitas may be in another new list. This guy was very talented, I'm more and more amazed. There is none composition I don't like.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 14, 2017, 11:33:21 AM
Time to change up my list a bit:

Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis


I’m still quite happy with this list of mine overall, but I’d probably substitute Symphony No. 6 with Symphony No. 5.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on September 14, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
Here is my 'alternative' top VW five list.

Fantasia on the Old 104th Psalm Tune - I've always loved craggy work for piano, choir and orchestra.
Pilgrim's Progress - possibly his masterpiece - I've been very lucky to see it live twice
String Quartet No.2 'For Jean on Her Birthday' - occupies the same sound world as Symphony 6
Scott of the Antarctic Film Music - just released in its entirety on Dutton for the first time - very atmospheric and I'm fascinated by Captain Scott's doomed expedition to the South Pole.
Epithalamion - a late neglected oratorio. I even had a nice exchange by letter with Ursula Vaughan Williams about it (she wrote the libretto). It's a really lovely, gentle work. Do listen to it if you like VW's music - I often play it.
If I exclude the Scott music I'd included 'An Oxford Elegy' for narrator and orchestra which I like very much. I've noticed that all the works I've chosen are comparatively late VW compositions.

Another great, lesser known, work is the short bleak but moving one act Opera 'Riders to the Sea'.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on September 14, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
Here is my 'alternative' top VW five list.
Another five 'great, but lesser-known':

Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955) - orchestra
The Bridal Day, a Masque (1938) - even finer in this original version IMO than the cantata Epithalamion that RVW made of it
Variations for Brass Band (1957)
Suite for Pipes (1939) - recorder quartet
Four Hymns for Tenor and Strings (1912)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: opaquer on September 14, 2017, 10:47:03 PM
THE WASPS
Piano Concerto
A Sea Symphony
Sinfonia Antartica
Dark Pastoral for Cello & Orchestra
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 15, 2017, 01:44:51 AM
No order:

The Lark Ascending
Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis
Symphony #8
Symphony #3, "A Pastoral Symphony"
Toward The Unknown Region
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 15, 2017, 06:04:14 AM
No order:

The Lark Ascending
Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis
Symphony #8
Symphony #3, "A Pastoral Symphony"
Toward The Unknown Region

A strong list!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 15, 2017, 06:13:51 AM
Epithalamion - a late neglected oratorio. I even had a nice exchange by letter with Ursula Vaughan Williams about it (she wrote the libretto). It's a really lovely, gentle work. Do listen to it if you like VW's music - I often play it.

I do need to revisit this.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:04:26 AM
I do need to revisit this.

Lovely gentle late night music Karl.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AM
Another five 'great, but lesser-known':

Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955) - orchestra
The Bridal Day, a Masque (1938) - even finer in this original version IMO than the cantata Epithalamion that RVW made of it
Variations for Brass Band (1957)
Suite for Pipes (1939) - recorder quartet
Four Hymns for Tenor and Strings (1912)
Great list. Must look out for 'The Bridal Day'. The Brass Band Variations is featured on the forthcoming CD of A London Symphony (1920 Version) on Hyperion. Another lesser-known work that I really like is the Concerto for Two Pianos.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 15, 2017, 07:13:01 AM
Lovely gentle late night music Karl.

I loaded all the RVW which I had converted to "soft copy" onto my phone, but I must not yet have converted this CD, Jeffrey!  Must remedy that this weekend!
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
Must look out for 'The Bridal Day'.
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).

The Brass Band Variations is featured on the forthcoming CD of A London Symphony (1920 Version) on Hyperion.
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)

Another lesser-known work that I really like is the Concerto for Two Pianos.
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/984/MI0000984306.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 15, 2017, 10:46:33 AM
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)

Damn. The Veranda remains a dangerous place.
Title: Re: Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.
Post by: vandermolen on September 16, 2017, 04:57:16 AM
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/984/MI0000984306.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Yes, I prefer the two piano version - probably because I came to know the work through the Vronsky/Babin/Boult LP coupled with Symphony 8 and featuring that wonderful late painting of VW by Sir Gerald Kelly (not completed until after the composer's death - in 1961). The painting is held by the National Portrait Gallery in London although not on display.  ::) :'( :(
I think that version more significantly emphasises the percussive qualities of the piano which are a characteristic feature of the work.
That Chandos CD is excellent in all respects as I love both works and it features a lesser-known photo of the composer in old age.