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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions
« Last post by Ken B on Today at 12:44:40 PM »
A semantic argument and a ridiculous one. If someone were to say, “The entirety of them are crooks, all of Trump, his cabinet, his family,…” you really parse that to mean only some unspecified part of Trump is a crook, and that some other unspecified part of Trump is not a crook?

He said “entirety,” and then he added two clauses of clarification, which he could have used to limit what he meant (as you infer), but instead he used those additional words to emphasize that he meant to “encompass all song-based popular/commercial music.” Unless he provided some other clarification that you omitted, then only someone who wants him to mean “some subset of the entirety” could interpret it as “some subset of the entirety.”

You are confused. If I say "all of the sciences owe a debt to the ancient Greeks" I am not saying "all of fluid mechanics, every last result of it, owes a debt to the ancient Greeks". I am saying that fluid mechanics, and biology, and optics, owes a debt to the ancient Greeks. If I say popular literature, all of sci-fi, detective fiction, horror, regency romance, techno-thrillers shows the influence of Edgar Alan Poe I might be right or wrong but I am not saying every page of every science fiction story owes a debt to Poe. Rather I am saying the genre as a whole does.

Oh, and a "semantic" argument about what words mean! Precious.
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Let's see: you labeled Trump's voters as being "ignorant, uncivilized, scientifically illiterate, dumb, greedy, nonhumane, uneducated" and "[g]ullible". It should be obvious to anyone that you did express utter contempt for them.


     I don't think you leave adequate room in your philosophy for the ignorant, uncivilized, scientifically illiterate, dumb, greedy, nonhumane, uneducated and gullible. Where are they supposed to go? I don't think they would cluster around people who differ from them, do you? I would almost believe you don't think there are such people, but then I know you do, you just think it's good to imagine them evenly spread, not like it's true, kind of a white lie.

     A little "tough love" might be salutary, I think, part of the educational process. Not from me, sadly, not my forte. I'm more the shock therapy type.

You're such a towering genius, I frequently ask myself how come you waste your time here instead of being awarded the Nobel Prize for some groundbreaking theory or experiment.

     Stop being so judgmental.

     No seriously (I hope) my maxim is Judge, and be prepared to be Judged.

   
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions
« Last post by Florestan on Today at 12:33:56 PM »
Whatever, it is historically not a question that a lot of what we take for granted as "standard morality" today was developed in exactly one region of the world (and so was modern experimental science, BTW), namely christian Europe, based on Christianity, Judaism and some select features of ancient schools like Stoicism.
Now one can of course claim that this was an accident and it is also true that some things had to be fought for against institutionalized religion. But this is missing the point because the secularized idea of "human rights" arose within the general culture of western christianity and did not really exist anywhere else. And in some cases one can directly show how a formerly christian notion was secularized to arrive at some universal unalienable right etc. Or to put it differently, ideas became so ingrained by centuries of a certain culture that people could (to some extent) just take the core ideas and remove the religious basis.
 
People should really read Nietzsche; he is entertainingly wicked and extremely smart. (Of course he is wrong about christian or later secularized morals being pernicious slave morality but he is correct about the historical and systematic connections and I think he also has a point that it is not obvious that one can remove the religious grounding without consequences in the long run. It's just that we still are in that running experiment and it might take another few decades to prove him right)

Vox clamantis in deserto.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions
« Last post by Pat B on Today at 12:31:11 PM »
Actually not. He actually said
"The entirety of black commercial pop music (I use that term in its most generic sense to encompass all song-based popular/commercial music), including all of jazz, blues, R&B, funk, hip-hop and everything else, ..." So he did not say "all jazz" he said "all of [a list]". The "all of" refers to the contents of the list, not the items in the list. Example: You decide to post "They're crooks, all of Trump, his cabinet, his family,..."  you are not calling Trump's left foot a crook, nor does his left foot need to be a crook for your statement to be true; if I could prove his left foot had an alibi at the time it wouldn't make you wrong.

A semantic argument and a ridiculous one. If someone were to say, “The entirety of them are crooks, all of Trump, his cabinet, his family,…” you really parse that to mean only some unspecified part of Trump is a crook, and that some other unspecified part of Trump is not a crook?

He said “entirety,” and then he added two clauses of clarification, which he could have used to limit what he meant (as you infer), but instead he used those additional words to emphasize that he meant to “encompass all song-based popular/commercial music.” Unless he provided some other clarification that you omitted, then only someone who wants him to mean “some subset of the entirety” could interpret it as “some subset of the entirety.”
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening to now?
« Last post by Todd on Today at 12:31:05 PM »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/8XXvjHY1uRc" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/8XXvjHY1uRc</a>


Might as well hear how Perianes handles Beethoven.  I've no time for pussyfooting.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions
« Last post by Florestan on Today at 12:30:20 PM »
...which is entirely the fault of white people

I was 200% sure that you will come up with this nonsense.

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The Diner / Re: What are you currently reading?
« Last post by Brian on Today at 12:27:28 PM »
Place is very different from the movie! I think the library has Expendable ....
Yep, read the book and was very surprised to say the least when I saw the movie!

Do as little research about Expendable Man as possible. There is a plot reveal about 50 pages in which still has the capacity to surprise readers!
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The Diner / Re: Michael Bond, creator of Paddington Bear dies aged 91.
« Last post by NikF on Today at 12:27:24 PM »
Yeah, I saw that. How sad. But 91 is a right good innings.
Hats (with a marmalade sandwich inside, of course) off to Michael Bond, purveyor of simple childhood pleasures.
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When I was told about evolution as a child, I found it one of the most rational and self-evident theories about the World I had heard.

You're such a towering genius, I frequently ask myself how come you waste your time here instead of being awarded the Nobel Prize for some groundbreaking theory or experiment.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions
« Last post by king ubu on Today at 12:22:47 PM »
You must be new here.  ::) Jazz gets a lot of respect here, and I have never seen it disparaged here either.

I didn't specifically point out this forum, but gave a couple of examples. But Florestan's post rubbed me the wrong way indeed and seemed in line with those examples, alas. That may have been even more so as I doreally  respect him in general (from what I have read here, have not been in touch beyond).
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