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The people who keep saying classical music is dying probably want classical music to die.

or conversely, and I think much more the truth of the matter, it is those classical devotees who really really don't care for music post 1900, excepting a bit of Rachmaninoff, i.e. anything much past romantic or late romantic era rep is, to them, 'no longer music.'

Well, send them to the museum / hall for older rep, and don't let them know whats been going on in classical music for the last 100 years or so, and their comfort zone - gated community insular minds will be happy -- though they will also then be relieved of their pleasures of moaning about how classical music 'died.'
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: The Snyprrr Appreciation Thread.
« Last post by amw on Today at 05:30:10 PM »
My assumption has always been that it goes back to the French colonisation of West Africa, during which the French did some not very nice things, but I don't know for sure. There are no signs Wuorinen is aware of, or has ever acknowledged, the offensive nature of the word, which is the larger problem I was thinking of.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening to now?
« Last post by André on Today at 05:18:13 PM »


Cd 8, the piano concerto. This work has a slow movement to die for. I’ve had this set since the end of April (from JPC) and yet it is scheduled for issue at Amazon on June 29 only. I wonder why? The pics on the Amazon site are identical to what JPC sells.
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The Diner / Re: World Cup 2018
« Last post by springrite on Today at 05:05:58 PM »
England just pulled off a small miracle, so maybe they will be in the mix after all. Or have I jinxed it?! :)

I think you have grossly over-estimated your influence.  ;)
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Well, on the got better side the best example for me is a composer, Purcell. I avoided Purcell for thirty years, put off by a weak recording of Dido & Aeneas. Then 10 years ago I discovered him. He is a great composer.

As for one piece — The Saint Matthew Passion. I had the execrable Klemperer travesty, and while it has some fine moments it has dreadful quarter hours, to recycle Hanslick's quip. It was years before I rediscovered it.

I was also put off Messiah for decades, by the bloated, loose Huddersfield Choral Society, high vibrato soloist kind of performance, and excerpts in shopping malls at Christmas.
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I used to enjoy some minimalist 'process music' but now there are quite a few pieces where the pure process is interesting enough but barely anything more is done in the music to keep my interest beyond one or two listens.

I've had exactly the same experience with almost all minimalist rep I've heard.  Doesn't hold me, or hold up, after more than a few listens.  John Adams has avoided that by being less and less 'purely' minimalist; Steve Reich hasn't.  I have yet to be able to make it through to the end of any Philip Glass work I've listened to.
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. . . except for the title Grand Bamboula which is unbelievably offensive in French, bamboula being one of the most offensive racist insults in French.

Kind of what happens when your aesthetic position is completely "disinterested" from worldly concerns because you can afford to live with your cat and husband in a three-story semi-detached townhouse on one of the Upper West Side's most expensive streets. (And a country house in New Jersey, apparently.) That's probably a discussion for a different thread though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do either of you know when that usage developed?  The English language Wiki doesn't mention it until last year, which is over 30 years after Wuorinen wrote a piece using it in a title.  On the French Wiki, on the other hand, the page was created for the slur back in 2005, and only afterwards modified to show the origin of the term in a type of drum and dance.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: The Snyprrr Appreciation Thread.
« Last post by Ken B on Today at 04:50:23 PM »
I obviously haven't been here long enough.

His music posts are great, but I don't see the point in abusing freedom of speech to spread hateful sentiments.
An exercise is not an abuse. There is of course no point in exercising freedom of speech to spread hateful sentiments.
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The "Back Room" section has a small minus button over on the far right. If you click that, it collapses the section so that it no longer appears on the forum homepage.

Thanks.  A good idea.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: The Snyprrr Appreciation Thread.
« Last post by amw on Today at 04:48:24 PM »
How?
The "Back Room" section has a small minus button over on the far right. If you click that, it collapses the section so that it no longer appears on the forum homepage.
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