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Title: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 23, 2007, 12:08:07 AM
I just realised that we have no thread to discuss recordings of, for instance, F. Couperin's Leçons de Ténèbres! :)

So, this new thread on all recordings of the music of French baroque composers.

Please post your favourite recordings, queries, discussions, etc!

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 23, 2007, 12:28:09 AM
I'll kick of with some recordings of my favourite French baroque composer: François Couperin.

For me his compositions for the harpsichord are marvelous. Goes right beside Bach and Scarlatti.
What I like about these works is their idiosyncratic nature and dreamy, otherworldly character. At least that is what I hear! 8)

I love my set of complete works by harpsichord giant Christophe Rousset to bits. Rousset is highly idiomatic in this, with a true instinct for Couperin's "poetry" He plays a superb, very sonorous and lush sounding harpsichord.
A cheap 2CD set with "highlights" is available, as is the stupendous "L'Apothéose de Lulli" for two harpsichords, played by Rousset and William Christie - extreme virtuosity and excitement!

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/8688008.jpg) (http://www.clubdial.fr/img/visuals/high/111617.jpg)


Another favourite is the already mentioned Leçons de Ténèbres. Very delicately played, perfect blending of the orchestra with the voices of Véronique Gens and Sandrine Piau! A dream cast.
Major vocal baroque works, which luckely enjoy an increasing number of recordings.

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/2181798.jpg)


Couperin's organ masses are perhaps a bit of an acquired taste - fascinating and full of character!
Especially when played on authentic, really adventurous sounding organs as here.

(http://pan.priceminister.com/photo/276648705_L.jpg)   (http://pan.priceminister.com/photo/80260530_L.jpg)

Q

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 03:28:37 AM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 12:08:07 AM
I just realised that we have no thread to discuss recordings of, for instance, F. Couperin's Leçons de Ténèbres! :)

Yeah, I love F. Couperin's "Leçons de Ténèbres" I have Concerto Vocale/René Jacobs on Harmonia Mundi (The Fortieth Anniversary Edition that looks just fantastic). Thanks Que for this much needed thread!

Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 12:08:07 AMSo, this new thread on all recordings of the music of French baroque composers.

Please post your favourite recordings, queries, discussions, etc!

Q

I am a Rameau nut. Opus Arte DVDs "Les Indes galantes" and "Les Boreades" are mindblowing! Minkowski's "Dardanus" on Archiv is superb. Just amazing sound! I also enjoy the Orchestral Suites and Harpsichord discs on Naxos.

M.-A. Charpentier is probably the greatest 17th century French baroque composer. There's many excellent discs on Naxos by Le Concert Spiritual/Hervé Niquet. I also have a stunning Gérard Lesne box of Charpentier's "Leçons de Ténèbres" (Il Seminario Musicale).

Jean-Baptiste Lully should not be ignored either. Lully is excellent on orchestral colours and textures. Again, fine discs available on Naxos, Le Concert Spiritual/Hervé Niquet again.

Louis-Nicolas Clérambault is one undervalued composer. His cantatas are excellent and full of nuances. My favorite disc is his 4 secular cantatas on Opus111 label (Ensemble Amalia).

Archiv has a nice disc of cantatas by Clérambault, Francois Collin de Blamont and Jean-Baptiste Stuck (Les Musiciens du Louvre/Minkowski). Stuck's cantata blew me away.

When it comes to Viola da Gamba music there is no way to ignore Marin Marais. Couple of Naxos discs is all I have thou.  :-\

Then there is Michel-Richard Delalande. I haven't explored him much.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on June 23, 2007, 03:30:34 AM
You people with your shiny new stereo recordings on CD! What a bunch of pussies!  :P

Go find Anton Heiller's recording of Rameau's harpsichord works on Vanguard (issued on CD recently, I believe)!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 23, 2007, 03:41:00 AM
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on June 23, 2007, 03:30:34 AM
You people with your shiny new stereo recordings on CD! What a bunch of pussies!  :P

Go find Anton Heiller's recording of Rameau's harpsichord works on Vanguard (issued on CD recently, I believe)!

Pussies or no pussies, I'm very satisfied with Rousset's superb renditions of Rameau!  ;D
Same qualities as his Couperin: very idomatic and imaginative playing - sparkling.

But judging from the online reviews, Anton Heiller seems to be an excellent harpsichordist, I'll try him some time.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/31NNKMJHZHL._AA240_.jpg)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2007, 05:27:46 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 03:28:37 AMWhen it comes to Viola da Gamba music there is no way to ignore Marin Marais. Couple of Naxos discs is all I have thou.  :-\

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/611X71ZGESL._AA240_.gif)

I have a few Marais discs. This is the finest one. :o Brings the music to life much more effectively than the Naxos  disc I have, though that is fine in its own way.

Quote from: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 03:28:37 AMThen there is Michel-Richard Delalande. I haven't explored him much.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/4139FHHCWFL._AA240_.jpg)

Explore this first. It initiated a whole new era in my own music appreciation when I first got it on a whim a few years ago. Not kidding! I find these Tenebres even more affecting than Couperin's. And the couplings on this CD are breathtaking.

Finally, this is an exquisite disc:

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M5ZSHHHYL._AA240_.jpg)

Not what Rebel is best known for, of course, but much more representative than his 'Chaos'. He's lucky to have Manze on the case, though...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 08:23:48 AM
For Rameau's harpsichord works I would recommend trying the less well known version by Noelle Spieth (Solstice) which seems a bit more spontaneous-sounding than the more methodological (imo) Rousset.  I have not heard Scott Ross's celebrated recording. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bwv 1080 on June 23, 2007, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 03:41:00 AM
Pussies or no pussies, I'm very satisfied with Rousset's superb renditions of Rameau!  ;D
....

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/31NNKMJHZHL._AA240_.jpg)

Q


Second the Rousset.  This is an excellent disc and one of the best sounding harpsichord recordings I have heard
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 08:33:43 AM
For instrumental and readily accessible Delalande, one may try Hugo Rene's recording of the Symphonies pour les Soupers du Roy as well, whether the complete 4-cd version or the highlight disc.    :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 08:33:43 AM
For instrumental and readily accessible Delalande, one may try Hugo Rene's recording of the Symphonies pour les Soupers du Roy as well, whether the complete 4-cd version or the highlight disc.    :)

I have a La SoloTheque disc.  ;)

(Reyne, not Rene)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 08:49:26 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on June 23, 2007, 08:28:39 AM

one of the best sounding harpsichord recordings I have heard


Do try out the Northwest Classics SACD of harpsichords/virginals in the Hans Ruckers tradition played by Jos van Immerseel when you can.  A very unfussy and yet totally realistic sound representation of the instrument.  Six of the selections are from the French Baroque repertory: Duphly, Forquery, and Armand-Louis Couperin.

SA-CD.net link (http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/13)



Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 08:51:10 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 08:42:47 AM
(Reyne, not Rene)

Pardon the misspelling as I wrote from memory.   ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 23, 2007, 09:02:51 AM
I'm very glad that this thread attracts so many interesting contributions!
I'm just starting to discover French baroque myself, so any help is welcome. :)


Quote from: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 03:28:37 AM
Louis-Nicolas Clérambault is one undervalued composer. His cantatas are excellent and full of nuances. My favorite disc is his 4 secular cantatas on Opus111 label (Ensemble Amalia).

Archiv has a nice disc of cantatas by Clérambault, Francois Collin de Blamont and Jean-Baptiste Stuck (Les Musiciens du Louvre/Minkowski). Stuck's cantata blew me away.

71 dB, thanks for that. I haven't heard anything by Clérambault and did not even know the names of de Blamont and Stuck!

(http://www.iclassics.com/content/assets/selection/16/15564E.jpg)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2007, 05:27:46 AM

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/4139FHHCWFL._AA240_.jpg)

Explore this first.
It initiated a whole new era in my own music appreciation when I first got it on a whim a few years ago. Not kidding! I find these Tenebres even more affecting than Couperin's. And the couplings on this CD are breathtaking.

Thanks, Luke. Since I like Couperin's "Leçons" so much, I certainly will! :)

Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 08:23:48 AM
For Rameau's harpsichord works I would recommend trying the less well known version by Noelle Spieth (Solstice) which seems a bit more spontaneous-sounding than the more methodological (imo) Rousset.
Yes, Rousset has a slight, just slight, academic touch - student of Leonhardt! ;D
Noelle Speith seems very popular amongst the French too - shall check her out!

Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 08:33:43 AM
For instrumental and readily accessible Delalande, one may try Hugo Rene's recording of the Symphonies pour les Soupers du Roy as well, whether the complete 4-cd version or the highlight disc.    :)

Wow, another Delalande recommendation! Masolino, is this the set?

(http://www.simphonie-du-marais.org/IMG/jpg/delalande.jpg)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on June 23, 2007, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 09:02:51 AM
71 dB, thanks for that. I haven't heard anything by Clérambault and did not even know the names of de Blamont and Stuck!

(http://www.iclassics.com/content/assets/selection/16/15564E.jpg)

No problem Que. That's the disc. Also available with different covers. Names de Blamont and Stuck where new to my too.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: E d o on June 23, 2007, 09:35:22 AM
After hearing some of Angela Hewitt's recent Rameau disc on the radio I've picked it up. I do like it but then I'm not familiar with Rameau. Can anyone that is say how she compares to the competion?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 23, 2007, 10:09:53 AM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 12:28:09 AM
I'll kick of with some recordings of my favourite French baroque composer: François Couperin.................


Q - good subject for a thread - I've been collecting this music for a while but could certainly expand & 'polish' my current ownings - also starting w/ Couperin, one of my first & still a favorite recordings is Les Nations w/ Jordi Savall (2-CD set on Astree) - may be OOP or possibly re-issued?

I really need to look into the keyboard works on harpsichord - own 3 CDs w/ Angela Hewitt (cheap BMG Club offerings) performing these works on the piano - not bad but no substitute; need to look into Rousset (have a great 4-CD set of him doing JS Bach); do have one disc w/ Cummings on the harpsichord, but the other performers mentioned so far in this thread seem to be a much better option!

A great bargin that I obtained earlier in the year is the Complete Chamber Music on the Brilliant label - 7 CDs of quite good to excellent performances - CLICK on the image for a review on Musicweb.

Finally, I have an interesting CD (below, bottom right) of Francois' first cousin, Marc Roger Normand Couperin (1663-1734) w/ Davitt Moroney on the harpsichord -  :D

(http://img.verycd.com/post_thumbs/0603/post-419818-1142673848_thumb.jpg)  (http://www.rondomagazin.de/klassik/c/couperin/cover/fc03.gif)

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Nov04/Couperin_92178-n.jpg) (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Nov04/Couperin_92178-n.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Nov04/Couperin_chamber.htm&h=278&w=275&sz=15&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=D28WJ8AUufFjrM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcouperin%2Bbrilliant%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den)  (http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/images/67164.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Florestan on June 23, 2007, 11:19:53 AM
I recommend you all this marvelous recording.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41PH9QC3D6L.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: knight66 on June 23, 2007, 11:25:16 AM
Luke, I see you mention Rebel and Chaos. I heard it at a friend's house and was taken aback. In terms of the context of his work and others at that time, did it simply emerge as a one off? Do we know how people reacted to the piece, as it strikes me as sounding quite revolutionary.

Mike
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 09:02:51 AM

Wow, another Delalande recommendation! Masolino, is this the set?

(http://www.simphonie-du-marais.org/IMG/jpg/delalande.jpg)

Q


No, it's the extracts disc but the integral set is probably OOP at this moment anyway.  :(
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 23, 2007, 09:04:17 PM
I second the recommendation for Clérambault cantatas (there are other recordings) and esp. the Campra Requiem. This, along with the Gilles Requiem is one of the high points of the French Baroque sacred repertoire. The Charpentier Te Deum is another incontournable. Don't miss out on Corrette either.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 09:32:20 PM
Thank you Masolino for the recommendation! :)
I do hope Hunt's and Padmore's French is OK? (I must confess to some bias against anglophone singers in this respect... :-\)


Lilas, could you mention some performers/recordings for those?

Q

I am no judge in French pronunciation myself (my French is awful as awful can be) but William Christie obviously thought both singers up to their task.  Christie himself speaks the language almost like a native, as his successful career as an operatic conductor in France suggests; the French are notoriously intolerant of people who dare to "disgrace" their language with any degree of mangling.

I am not Lilas, but I do want to recommend Minkowski's recording of Charpentier Te Deum (Archiv): he drives the music to such heights all other versions (eg. William Christie's) seem underpowered in comparison.  Another famous treat from Charpentier is his Leçons de Ténèbres: I have several incomplete collections of these and the most enduring (to my listening) of all is the Opus 111 selection disc conducted by Martin Gester (OPS55-9119).  The names of Veronique Gens and Noemi Rime should raise some expectations and those are amply fulfilled in my case.  What ravishingly beautiful singing! 

Goldberg blurb (http://www.goldbergweb.com/fr/discography/2004/18201.php)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 23, 2007, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
I am no judge in French pronunciation myself (my French is awful as awful can be) but William Christie obviously thought both singers up to their task.  Christie himself speaks the language almost like a native, as his successful career as an operatic conductor in France suggests; the French are notoriously intolerant of people who dare to "disgrace" their language with any degree of mangling.
My French is absolutely awful too! ;D

QuoteI am not Lilas, but I do want to recommend Minkowski's recording of Charpentier Te Deum (Archiv): he drives the music to such heights all other versions (eg. William Christie's) seem underpowered in comparison.
Have it and totally agree - Minkowksi's Te Deum swings.

QuoteAnother famous treat from Charpentier is his Leçons de Ténèbres: I have several incomplete collections of these and the most enduring (to my listening) of all is the Opus 111 selection disc conducted by Martin Gester (10-003).  The names of Veronique Gens and Noemi Rime should raise some expectations and those are amply fulfilled in my case.  What ravishingly beautiful singing!
Thanks, it's now on the list. :)

I saw this Boismortier in a bargain - do I need it?? 8)

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CAP09208L._AA240_.jpg)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 23, 2007, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 11:40:43 PM

I saw this Boismortier in a bargain - do I need it?? 8)

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CAP09208L._AA240_.jpg)

Q

If you don't have any Boismortier then why not?  It is positively beautiful if the not most inspired music that I have heard from this period.  Niquet also made a couple of Boismortier recordings for Naxos - I am happy to report that none is a dud. 

ps. A small snippet from the Gester Charpentier rec here: Incipit... (http://download.yousendit.com/888F118B561D509D)

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 24, 2007, 12:18:35 AM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 11:59:51 PM
A treat! And I'm very fond of recorders... :)

Q

This one is quite a bit longer with both dessus voices coming into play  :)  but no recorders until towards the end!
manum suam misit hostis... (http://download.yousendit.com/6016F7532E2FE41F)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 24, 2007, 09:06:07 AM
Indeed the Minkowski Te Deum really swings! This is a relatively new approach to that familiar music, though. It's been in the recorded repertoire for decades and a grander, statelier approach was the norm until Minkowski broke the mold. It's a work of stature and it thrives on many interpretive approaches.

Michel Corrette was a composer whose claim to fame in his own time was mostly as a pedagogue. He wrote many "méthodes" for various instruments. Upon reading some articles on the net it became clear there's quite a rift between anglo and franco authors on his credentials as a composer. The former focus on his numerous borrowings from popular tunes of the day and the many pastiches he made (for example, his 25 Concertos comiques). The latter properly see him as having understood and distilled the essence of the late French baroque style. Just compare the two wikipedia articles (English and French) and the difference is obvious. BTW the title "Concertos comiques" have nothing to do with their being funny, they refer to the fact that they were composed to be played during entr'actes at the Opéra Comique...

Anyhow, for the purpose of this thread, which I see as an introduction to one of the major byways of classical music, Corrette is just ideal. Note also that he lived to a ripe old age, and his production covers late Baroque and early Classical (roughly 1730-1790).

This link http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Namedrill?&name_id=2487&name_role=1   provides many sub links to individual discs. Apart from the Concertos comiques, his superb set of bass instrument sonatas (viol, gamba, bassoon, cello, solo, in pair or in trio) called Les Délices de la solitude presents a more serious, melancholy aspect that is a faithful reflection of a major current within the French baroque (also exemplified by the works of Marin Marais or his mentor Le Sieur de Sainte-Colombe. The superb Corneau film Tous les matins du monde with Depardieu père et fils portrays their life and deep love of music).

Corrette also used his talents to bring the French Noels tradition to larger audiences. Many composers wrote Noels for the organ, where were traditionally played in church on the organ (Nicolas de Grigny is the outstanding example). Corrette adapted them for instruments and stringed them in delightful suites. Those allergic to the pipe instrument can still sample the genre here.

I would recommend the following discs as excellent introductions to Corrette's music:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/5165Jcp5UAL._SS500_.jpg)  (http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/00/854400.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on June 24, 2007, 09:11:47 AM
BTW I find the composer presentation in the Directory of composers on this page

http://www.newolde.com/ (http://www.newolde.com/)

quite useful.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 24, 2007, 09:15:31 AM
Boismortier, Clérambault: cantatas. This is a real delight (http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/590/598157.jpg)
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6934288&style=classical

Corrette's most famous Concerto comique completes the disc.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 24, 2007, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 12:08:07 AM
I just realised that we have no thread to discuss recordings of, for instance, F. Couperin's Leçons de Ténèbres! :)

So, this new thread on all recordings of the music of French baroque composers.

Please post your favourite recordings, queries, discussions, etc!

Q

Sorry to be so late to the discussion!

For the Leçons, I love Rousset's recording with Sandrine Piau and Veronique Gens.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41MQSGAB0AL._AA240_.jpg)

I also have managed to get William Christie's recording of Charpentier's Te Deum and Grand Office des Morts

(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/14/602514.jpg)

Alas, I've not enough experience with the baroque operas to start posting intelligently although I did pick up René Jacob's recording of Gluck's Orfeo et Eurydice, which was excellent to my ears.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/4137F5H28EL._AA240_.jpg)

And I adore Veronique Gens album Tragedienne of great arias, but which I suspect falls into the category of French Baroque Opera-Lite
(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/30/893930.jpg)

I am looking forward to a lot of listening and new experiences. :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 25, 2007, 12:04:35 AM
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4681/41aetb2x95lss500vx7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Le Roi Danse [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] [Hybrid SACD]

Compositeur: Robert Cambert, Jacques Cordier, Michel Lambert, Jean-Baptiste Lully
Chef d'orchestre: Reinhard Goebel
Orchestre: Musica Antiqua Köln

It's a bit like Goebel's early recording of Couperin Les nations: French or not, it is intensely satisfying as a musical performance.

EDIT.  To Joan's reference above, I have not seen the film, although "over the top" seems to be quite consistent with what I have heard about it.   However I consider even Tous les matins du monde a bit over-the-top.  How do you say "your mileage may vary" in French?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 25, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
If we are doing soundtracks, then you have to consider Tous les Matins du Monde. 

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51F1XEA6FPL.jpg)


And while we are visiting Versailles, we may as well listen to Skip Sempé's excellent recording "Versailles - L'Île Enchantée," and Marc Minkowski's Symphonie Imaginaire. :)

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q8FGPJTFL.jpg) (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PYE83SVDL.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 25, 2007, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: masolino on June 25, 2007, 04:15:54 PM
Listening to the (French baroque) musical tragedies in their entireties can be a daunting experience, the genre itself being one of extreme formality and discursiveness (it is recitation-based).  So even many "complete" recordings are cut in places to save listeners from death from boredom.  Given a great voice and perfect diction selection albums like this one will not disappoint even if drama will inevitably get underplayed when all context is removed.  Gens's voice has matured over the years - hearing her more fresh-voiced in early recordings such as Minkowski's version of Marais Alcyone (recorded 1990) makes one realise that recordings are a bit like photographs...

After years of studying history, literature, and art, I had to admit that I really didn't get what the French Baroque was all about until I saw Rosellini's film, La Prise de Pouvoir par Louis XIV.  It's a great film, and something that I would recommend to anyone interested in this period.

(http://movie-chess.hemobile.de/6069/Prise%20du%20Pouvoir%20par%20Louis%20XIV.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 26, 2007, 01:25:33 AM
Quote from: Bunny on June 25, 2007, 09:17:50 PM
After years of studying history, literature, and art, I had to admit that I really didn't get what the French Baroque was all about until I saw Rosellini's film, La Prise de Pouvoir par Louis XIV.  It's a great film, and something that I would recommend to anyone interested in this period.

(http://movie-chess.hemobile.de/6069/Prise%20du%20Pouvoir%20par%20Louis%20XIV.jpg)

Dear Bunny

Thanks for the suggestion - the Rosselini film seems interesting and I will check it out when it is re-released for DVD!  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 26, 2007, 08:57:28 PM
Quote from: Bunny on June 25, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
Can anyone comment on the issue ictured below with Goebel? Not a French ensemble but the samples sound good and idiomatic. Looks like interesting programming too.

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/9905521.jpg)
Marche de triomphe, for instruments, H. 547
Messe pour plusieurs instruments au lieu des orgues, for orchestra, H. 513
Fanfare à 2 trompettes, H. deest
Offerte pour l'orgue, for 2 flutes, 2 oboes, strings & continuo, H. 514
Pour un reposoir, for strings, H. 508
Ouverture poue l'église, for strings & continuo, H. 524
Symphonies pour un reposoir, for strings & continuo, H. 515
Offerte non encore exécutée, for 2 flutes, 2 oboes, strings & bassoon, H. 522
Concert pour quatre parties des violes, for strings, H. 545
Pour un reposoir, for 3 flutes, strings & continuo, H. 523
Marche de triomphe, for instruments, H. 547


Comes with a bonus CD with Bach, Händel, Vivaldi and Heinichen!

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 26, 2007, 09:57:00 PM
I have that also, and enjoy it very much. :)

If it's of any help, it received the 10/10 from ClassicsToday (and not Hurwitz). 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on June 27, 2007, 02:06:01 AM
Quote from: Que on June 26, 2007, 08:57:28 PM

Can anyone comment on the issue pictured below with Goebel? Not a French ensemble but the samples sound good and idiomatic. Looks like interesting programming too.

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/9905521.jpg)
Marche de triomphe, for instruments, H. 547
Messe pour plusieurs instruments au lieu des orgues, for orchestra, H. 513
Fanfare à 2 trompettes, H. deest
Offerte pour l'orgue, for 2 flutes, 2 oboes, strings & continuo, H. 514
Pour un reposoir, for strings, H. 508
Ouverture poue l'église, for strings & continuo, H. 524
Symphonies pour un reposoir, for strings & continuo, H. 515
Offerte non encore exécutée, for 2 flutes, 2 oboes, strings & bassoon, H. 522
Concert pour quatre parties des violes, for strings, H. 545
Pour un reposoir, for 3 flutes, strings & continuo, H. 523
Marche de triomphe, for instruments, H. 547


Comes with a bonus CD with Bach, Händel, Vivaldi and Heinichen!

Q

Charpentier never wrote any independent instrumental work, so all the pieces
included in this disc are in a sense "extracts" from larger vocal works - remember
the term ritornello from earlier discussion on Vivaldi?  :)  So while the music
itself is beautiful, do not expect to hear the same level of coherence and continuity
of a suite by Couperin or Marais or Rebel.  In this aspect, it's quite like the "Roi danse"
OST recording he did earlier from the oevure of Lully (who similarly never wrote
purely instrumental music), and there are actully more vocal selections in the Lully
recordings.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 28, 2007, 06:23:40 AM
When I was a young child, a beautiful 78 rpm record (it was a translucent dark red color) was sent to my father by a drug company.  On one side was a dull (to me, anyway) lecture on a new drug for treating gall stones or some stomach problem; the other side had Marin Marais' "Le tableau de l'operation de la taille" in English.  I suppose that was the first work of the French Baroque that I ever listened to.  And I listened to it over and over and over.  I was fascinated by the language "they have bound him with silken ties," "Rejoice - the patient liveth!" etc. as much as by the music which I'm sure was the opposite of HIP.  A few years ago, I awoke abruptly on a Sunday morning to hear that same voice saying those same words.  My radio alarm had gone on and Peter Schikele's program was playing on NPR.  I wrote to Schikele about getting a copy of the piece, but never received any response.

Does anyone at all know of an English recording of this work?  I know it won't be the same one, but I would love to get this.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 28, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
I've been doing some internet searching since remembering about this recording, and have found out a little about it's history.  First, it was an early HIP recording!  No wonder I was so fascinated.

It was issued by Norgine, and below is a picture of the cover.  The viol da gamba was played by Carel Boomkamp, who was one of Anner Bijlma's teachers, and accompanied by the French harpsichordist, Denyse Gouarne.  No comments about how musical preferences can be set so early in childhood, please! ;)

For those interested, it can be heard at this website: http://www.wfmu.org/365/2007/097.shtml (http://www.wfmu.org/365/2007/097.shtml)

If anyone can tell me how to make a download of quicktime streaming audio, I'd greatly appreciate it. 

(http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/DP/2007/04/images/097_img_1.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Florestan on June 28, 2007, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: Bunny on June 28, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
For those interested, it can be heard at this website: http://www.wfmu.org/365/2007/097.shtml (http://www.wfmu.org/365/2007/097.shtml)

If anyone can tell me how to make a download of quicktime streaming audio, I'd greatly appreciate it. 


Do you want to download the file from that site?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 28, 2007, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 28, 2007, 11:40:47 AM
Do you want to download the file from that site?

That's the only place I ever saw the recording listed, so yes!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Florestan on June 28, 2007, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: Bunny on June 28, 2007, 12:11:02 PM
That's the only place I ever saw the recording listed, so yes!

Check PM.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 29, 2007, 09:27:08 AM
An old dream revived and come true. This is the stuff reality shows are made of! :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on June 29, 2007, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: Que on June 29, 2007, 09:39:53 AM
Saw this bargain box - is this a good idea? (would set me back 25 euros)
Need some input! :)

Thanks, Q                                             Content (4 discs):

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41A49P1HNAL._AA240_.jpg)         


I bought that one Que, and its absolutely fabulous.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Justin Ignaz Franz Bieber on June 29, 2007, 02:42:52 PM
i like this thread. i want just about every album mentioned so far lol :P
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: yashin on June 30, 2007, 04:24:55 AM
What of the new DVD from OPUSARTE 'Zoroastre'?  Is this DVD any good?  Anyone had a chance to look at it yet?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Joan on July 04, 2007, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: yashin on June 30, 2007, 04:24:55 AM
What of the new DVD from OPUSARTE 'Zoroastre'?  Is this DVD any good?  Anyone had a chance to look at it yet?

There's a review of it in this thread:   http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,797.0.html (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,797.0.html)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 08, 2007, 10:24:51 PM
Dear French baroque lovers - still need more Charpentier recommendations!
(Just bought the Christie box set above, btw)

And maybe we could talk some Marin Marais, a composer I'm quite fond of.
I don't have that much by him yet, but I believe these are great performances.

This cross section of Marais' music by Italian gambist Paolo Pandolfo (http://www.paolopandolfo.com/) is smashing.
A good choice for an introduction into Marais I think.

               (http://www.paolopandolfo.com/images/Marais_front_0001.jpg)
                                samples here (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1098770&style=classical&cart=565536322)

Another issue I've enjoyed greatly is this 2nd recording with Savall on Alia Vox (http://www.alia-vox.com/).

             (http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia//images_produits/ZoomPE/8/1/5/7619986398518.jpg)
                                 samples here (http://www.amazon.com/Marin-Marais-Suitte-Etranger-Hybrid/dp/B000GLKRVU/ref=sr_1_3/102-7436378-6676904?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1183961892&sr=1-3)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 15, 2007, 01:20:09 AM
Bought this 5CD set a week ago as a (further) introduction into French baroque music.
It contains choral pieces of major composers of the period in superb HIP performances, previously issued on Virgin Veritas - also pictured, click pics for their details! For the price of close to two discs (19 euros) you get these repackaged with a booklet containing a short introduction and track listings - unfortunately not the (Latin) texts! :-\


(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/6326478.jpg) (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZN4Y3ZP6L._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Du-Mont-Motets-Chapelle-Schneebeli/dp/B00002CF2E/ref=sr_1_1/102-9722213-5398506?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184508273&sr=1-1) (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41N154KJ5TL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Campra-Requiem-Miserere-Harvey-Malgoire/dp/B00000IG3I/ref=sr_1_1/102-9722213-5398506?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184508372&sr=1-1)
                    SAMPLES (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/6326478/rk/classic/rsk/hitlist)

Well, buying this turned out to be a very smart move. Great music by great performers.
I was already familiar with Rousset and Niquet, but Malgoire, Mandrin and especially Schneebeli and their ensembles are also top notch. Other familiar names are Véronique Gens (Rameau), Sandrine Piau (Couperin), Jean Paul Fouchécourt, and others.
Generally I was impressed by the quality of the music and the diversity between composers - no, it does not sound all the same! ;D
Henry Du Mont (Disc 1) is a new composer to me - and the earliest of these five - makes a very favourable impression: quite dramatic and gutsy, with vivid and inventive instrumentation. Certainly a composer to explore further. Olivier Schneebeli does the rhetorical side of the music full justice. Boy sopranos are used in the chorus - which makes for a beautiful ethereal and transparant choral sound - and they occasionally sing short solos. Nice!
André Campra's Requiem (Disc 2) is a stunning (and very touching) piece. It has a very intimate, chamber music feel to it - beautiful use of woodwinds. Countertenor Dominique Visse has a very characteristical voice that is maybe not to each taste. Also here boy sopranos in the chorus, with some small solos. As I said in an earlier post: those who like Fauré's (and Duruflé's) Requiem and want to know where it came from, are kindly directed to the choral music of the French baroque.
I was already familiar with François Couperin (Disc 3) and his detached, ethereal and intoxicating style. Those who are familiar with his Leçons de Ténèbres know what to expect! Smashing performance under conductor Rousset.
From Nicolas Clérambault (Dics 4) we get chants and motets in French baroque plainchant style (an adaptation of Gregorian chant). Beautifully done btw, but I'm not hot on plainchant! So this is up to personal tastes.
Impressive Grand Motets by Jean-Philippe Rameau (Disc 5). Interestingly these pieces are very much in the "galant" style of secular music written for the theatre!  :) Very colourful instrumentation to boot.

You've gathered by now: strongly recommended.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DP3X94VYL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Couperin-Fouch%C3%A9court-Corr%C3%A9as-lyriques-Rousset/dp/B00000IG3J/ref=sr_1_7/102-9722213-5398506?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184508499&sr=1-7)  (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41W85QAJKFL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Clerambault-Chants-Mandrin-Demoiselles-Saint-Cyr/dp/B00000IG3F/ref=sr_1_2/102-9722213-5398506?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184508553&sr=1-2)  (http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B4E3J3VHL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Rameau-Desrochers-Fouch%C3%A9court-Loureiro-Spirituel/dp/B00000IG3E/ref=sr_1_2/102-9722213-5398506?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184508602&sr=1-2)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on July 15, 2007, 05:41:07 AM
Thanks for the posts and the links, Que!
I have another Du Mont disc of Grands Motets. His music is indeed quite grand and complex.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Tancata on July 15, 2007, 07:57:54 AM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on July 15, 2007, 05:41:07 AM
Thanks for the posts and the links, Que!
I have another Du Mont disc of Grands Motets. His music is indeed quite grand and complex.

Oooh...mouth-watering program. Thanks for pointing this out!  :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 17, 2007, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: Heather Harrison on July 15, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
I have been meaning to get into this thread, but I have been exploring so much of the French Baroque that it is hard to know where to start. 

Heather, thanks for posting! The opera's of the French baroque are quite interesting and very distinctive, and judging from the reactions there is quite a lot of interest in them here.

And indeed there is so much to discuss.
But we have all the time in the world: this thread could be a 100 pages (or more) as far as I am concerned... ;D Please don't feel restricted to what's currently discussed - if it's French baroque: just pitch in!

I'll continue to post impressions on my new recordings.
A new Charpentier, Naïve has "repackaged" (just a cardboard slipcase with a different cover) some earlier issues and is selling them at midprice. So I got this Charpentier issue, the actual CD cover is shown next to it.

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia//images_produits/ZoomPE/5/2/1/0822186089125.jpg)  (http://www.cdmail.fr/jaquettes/cd/recto/3298490085981xr.gif)
          Sound clips here (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/2931430/rk/classic/rsk/hitlist)                    REVIEW HERE (http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2007/Nov07/Charpentier_e8912.htm)

So, this is quite different from the Charpentier I've heard so far. And this is confirmed in the booklet: this is Charpentier at his most austere. We have just an organ - a beautiful historical instrument from 1735 which is superbly played by Michel Chapuis - a continuo (basse de viole) and a female chorus conducted by Emanuel Mandrin. I think those of us who are familiar with "early music" and/or into choral singing, will maybe easier connect to this than others. So, soberness and restraint, but also some brilliant and very touching choral music. Like I said, Chapuis does a great job and the singing is very strong and full of character. Oh, this is no plainchant BTW. I'll happily return to it once in a while. :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on July 17, 2007, 12:25:44 AM
Have most of the recordings you posted Que, and love to read about it.
You have a way with words my friend, and your English is far better than mine, so I meander in your stream, without participating, if you don't mind.
Keep this thing afloat, I learn and learn about your collection. :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: MishaK on July 17, 2007, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Heather Harrison on July 15, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
time; it has been neglected far too long.  And it is nice to have such expert interpreters as William Christie and Marc Minkowski; so far I have not found a single dud in all of their output.

Ditto as to Christie. Haven't heard much Minkowski.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on September 08, 2007, 06:07:31 AM
Hopefully Drasko doesn't mind if I repost on this thread the interesting recommendation he made earlier. :)
(I have linked the picture)

Q

Quote from: Drasko on August 27, 2007, 04:54:52 AM
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/417KQXRC3RL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/4955771?rk=classic&rsk=hitlist)

Excellent! Definitely recommended as introduction to Lully as the selection of scenes and airs spans his entire career, from early collaborations with Moliere (plays with music) to his operas (tragedies liriques) of later period (Isis, Roland, Armide) and nicely presents his development (and that of French music of late 17th century at the same time). Performances are uniformly brilliant and so is the recording.
 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on September 08, 2007, 08:02:44 AM
This is a real treat!  :)
Erato has repackaged 4 issues with music of Marc-Antoine Charpentier with William Christie in a cardboard slipcase (1st picture) at less than half of the original price!  :o - and even less from Amazon Market sellers ... ;D (only available at the European Amazons).
You get the original issues - so they have full texts. And that is important because three of them are with theatre music, and it is essential for their enjoyment to be able to follow the text.
All pictures are linked

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TZHHS5JXL._SS500_.jpg)  (http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Christie-conducts-Charpentier-Agnew/dp/B0002ZBSGS/ref=sr_1_1/202-6589375-1069409?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189241042&sr=1-1)           (http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/4138461.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/4138461?rk=classic&rsk=hitlist)
Amazon.de (http://www.amazon.de/Charpentier-UK-Arts-Florissants-Christie/dp/B0002ZBSGS)   Amazon.fr (http://www.amazon.fr/florissants-marc-antoine-charpentier-William-Christie/dp/B0002ZBSGS)

One disc does not contain theatre music but the "In Nativitatem Domini Canticum", a small and beautiful Christmas oratorio, and the "Messe de Minuit pour Noël". The Christmas oratorio begins with a solemn tenor recitative and chorus, and a quiet, introvert interlude for strings which mysteriously forbodes the birth of Christ (complete with soft sound of a bell at the conclusion), followed with elegant and more joyous recitatives and choruses. The approach by Christie in the "Messe de Minuit" is more expansive - especially in the instrumental interludes - and less urgently than by Minkowski. I prefer the latter.

Divertissements, Airs et Concerts is absolutely packed with small but delightfull goodies. It starts with a short (8 minutes) "musique en scène" (two choirs, two arias, a duet and and instrumental interlude) for the comedy "La Pierre Philosophale" (The Philosopher's Stone) by Pierre Corneille. Then are several airs sérieux - accompanied dramatic songs ("arias"), followed by a few lively chansonettes and airs à boire with dance rhythms. The disc concludes with a pastoral chamber opera "Il Faut Rire et Chanter: Dispute de Bergers" (Quarrel of the shepherds). What strikes me is the consistent high quality of the music: never a dull moment, always very entertaining or touching. Imaginative and varied instrumentations - organ or harpsichord as continuo, theorbo's, a guitar, recorders (! :)), oboe and bassoon - yummy yummy...  8) I think the connection with the text is important, because Charpentier attunes the music perfectly to the words. The comical elements are very real and convincing IMO! Superb musical execution by Christie and party - excellent singers like Patricia Petitbon, Sophie Daneman, Paul Agnew, etc.

"Les Plaisirs de Versailles" is an allegorical chamber "opera" or "operatic divertissement". Possibly written to be performed for Louis XIV, who is directly addressed in the piece. The story is the classic theme of the competition between music ("La Musique") and words ("La Conversation"). Comus, patron of feasts, and "Le Jeu", patron of gaming, join in. Terribly witty stuff - convincingly projected by the excellent singers (Sophie Daneman, Patricia Petitbon, Katalin Károlyi, et al.) who very much have to act at the same time. Gorgeous instrumentation with flutes. What follows are three airs sérieux composed for Pierre Corneille's play "Le Cid" - plangent and dramatic. The disc concludes with a "pastoraletta" - a pastoral cantata - called "Amor vince ogni Cosa" (Love conquers all.. ;)). Of course the plot includes shepherds and shepherdesses, their patron the god Pan, a wolf and a lamb, and lots of love! ;D A very cute piece with some exquisite arias.

Finally the pièce de résistance: "La Descente d'Orphée aux Enfers" - a real chamber opera.
A very dramatic and eloquent piece with ample musical and emotional depth. Save it for last - all the qualities mentioned in the two other discs with theatre music, culminate here.

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/8826431.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/8826431?rk=classic&rsk=hitlist) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nrSn9XHNL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/7946835?rk=classic&rsk=hitlist) (http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/7606876.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/7606876?rk=classic&rsk=hitlist)

All in all this is an exciting set, hearing this music settled with me Charpentier's status as a major (French) baroque composer. The disc with the Christmas music is very enjoyable, though the "Messe de Minuit" is not my preferred recording. The three discs with theatre music are all superb, must-haves for those who are into the genre.
Clearly this amounts to a strong recommendation!

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on September 08, 2007, 08:14:19 AM
That is why I bought it the moment it was on the market my friend, and I posted that to, to alert all on the board, but you are the only one that has reacted, if not to my call, than by own accord.
Anyway its the deal of the month. I will start listening to it soon.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 13, 2007, 01:14:37 AM
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I have now gone through a substantial part of this set, and my impressions of it have settled.
This is my second complete Couperin harpsichord music set, the other being by Christophe Rousset (HM).
The newly set with Noëlle Spieth on the small French label Solstice (http://www.solstice-music.com/index.php?), quite different from the Rousset.

In harpsichord music, the recording and the instrument play an important role. The recording was at first a big change to get used to: not the bright, crystal clear and in-your-face sound of the Rousset, but more mellow and sonorous - more "woolly" so to speak. Spieth uses different five French harpsichords.
What I don't like is that the recorded "ordres" of Couperin's œuvre are presented on the discs in order of recording! ::) May the heavens protect us from these "brilliant" ideas of music producers..... :P

The interpretation. Noëlle Spieth approaches these works from a modest point of view as a performer. Whilst Rousset is the genius on the harpsichord and showcases his brilliant technique and imposes his highly individual and slightly idiosyncratic interpretation on the music, Spieth IMO lets the music more "speak for itself" - maybe a platitude but true. Rousset indulges in the exotic qualities of the music and focuses on very twist and turn, which leads to intriguing brilliancy but also emotional detachment. The image of the music can appear rather static at times.
Spieth is much more flowing and sober, she draws longer lines and this gives more focus on the proportions of the individual movements and puts them better in perspective in relation to each other. Spieth's Couperin's is more human in scale and touching.

Very satisfactory! :)

Q


PS A comparative review of available Couperin sets to be found HERE (http://www.musebaroque.fr/Critiques/couperin_integrale_clavecin.htm) (in French).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on October 13, 2007, 04:30:09 AM
Que, thanks for this interesting comparation. I wonder, if the music gets "better" with Spieths reflective approach, or if Rousset´s brilliance is necessary for the music to shine.
My considerations reflect of course the fact, that I never felt much attraction to the music, even if I have made quite an effort to get to know it better.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on October 13, 2007, 05:58:05 AM
Quote from: premont on October 13, 2007, 04:30:09 AM
Que, thanks for this interesting comparation. I wonder, if the music gets "better" with Spieths reflective approach, or if Rousset´s brilliance is necessary for the music to shine.
My considerations reflect of course the fact, that I never felt much attraction to the music, even if I have made quite an effort to get to know it better.

If Leonhardt had recorded an integral set I would get it in a heartbeat but alas that is unlikely.  In my opinion Couperin's clavecin music becomes shallow if overwrought, and that is something Leonhardt never does in the several recital discs I have heard.  To me Couperin's music is just about human as Debussy's, both requiring that one "feels" rather than "be impressed by" it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 13, 2007, 06:54:06 AM
Quote from: premont on October 13, 2007, 04:30:09 AM
Que, thanks for this interesting comparation. I wonder, if the music gets "better" with Spieths reflective approach, or if Rousset´s brilliance is necessary for the music to shine.

Indeed, for now I feel that both approaches have their attractive sides.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on October 13, 2007, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: masolino on October 13, 2007, 05:58:05 AM
If Leonhardt had recorded an integral set I would get it in a heartbeat but alas that is unlikely.  In my opinion Couperin's clavecin music becomes shallow if overwrought, and that is something Leonhardt never does in the several recital discs I have heard.  To me Couperin's music is just about human as Debussy's, both requiring that one "feels" rather than "be impressed by" it.

I read this as 1 - 0 in Spieth´s favour.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on October 13, 2007, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: Que on October 13, 2007, 06:54:06 AM
Indeed, for now I feel that both approaches have their attractive sides.

Q

Not unlike the situation with Rübsams two Bach cycles ´
or
Pieter-Jan Belder´s / Scott Ross´  Scarlatti ??
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on October 13, 2007, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: premont on October 13, 2007, 10:10:09 AM
I read this as 1 - 0 in Spieth´s favour.

Bingo. ;D 

"J'aime mieux ce qui me touche que ce qui me surprend." - F. Couperin
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on October 14, 2007, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: Que on October 14, 2007, 12:29:43 AM
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I think that Hugo Reyne will update on this one in due time.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on October 25, 2007, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: Bunny on June 25, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
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Quote from: Que on June 26, 2007, 08:57:28 PM
I'm considering that Minkowski/Rameau!

It has to be the most purely enjoyable disc I got this year. Since is basically cut 'n' paste assemblage don't know how would it fare on some deep & profound scale but also can't say that I care one bit.   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on October 26, 2007, 11:15:26 AM
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Celine Frisch's recording of D'Anglebert's clavecin music contains about half of the composer's entire output in this genre.  Some of these pieces are actually transcriptions of Lully's operatic works (selections, of course), and in a separate second disc, the harpsichordist decides to give us the originals for them as well.  Cafe Zimmermann, led by violinist Pablo Valetti, here plays most stylishly and beautifully.  A great opportunity to appreciate the art of Baroque keyboard transcription firsthand via direct comparisons.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Josquin des Prez on October 26, 2007, 12:59:25 PM
Scott Ross is my personal benchmark for both Couperin and Rameau and i never encountered his match.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on October 26, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on October 26, 2007, 12:59:25 PM
Scott Ross is my personal benchmark for both Couperin and Rameau and i never encountered his match.

Others surely did.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on October 26, 2007, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: premont on October 26, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
Others surely did.

Yes we all have our personal benchmarks.  Scott Ross probably did, too. :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Josquin des Prez on October 26, 2007, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: premont on October 26, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
Others surely did.

Considering his name is never mentioned in this boards (except when it comes to Scarlatti, and that only grudgingly) i'd be surprised if anybody actually heard his recordings.

And of course, the fact it is I who likes him lessens his reputability a notch or two, right?   ;D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on October 26, 2007, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on October 26, 2007, 02:45:06 PM
Considering his name is never mentioned in this boards (except when it comes to Scarlatti, and that only grudgingly) i'd be surprised if anybody actually heard his recordings.

Que will tell you that you are wrong in this account.   :)
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg95292.html#msg95292 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg95292.html#msg95292)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 08, 2007, 11:56:32 PM
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click picture for more samples

Another valuable addition to my Charpentier collection! :)
I got on the trail of conductor Olivier Schneebeli with his recordings of the Du Mont motets, discussed earlier (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg56266.html#msg56266). He shows here the same qualities as before: a master of a natural blending the choruses, solo voices and instrumental accompaniment, whilst maintaining absolute clarity in musical lines. Schneebeli creates an subtle, open en natural effect of the music organically unfolding - he does not go for the "big" effects. So, quite different from Minkowski (or Niquet?) The result is intimate yet very expressive and lively. I like it, especially in sacred music of this nature.
On the recording is a construction of a Vespers service as would be assembled at the period, consisting of various smaller vocal works. Here we have a collection of psalms and motets by Charpentier and three organ preludes written by French composer-organist Guillame-Gabriel Nivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume-Gabriel_Nivers), played at the marvelous sounding organ of the Chapelle Royale at Versailles. Choral singing is superb, boys choir included! Really excellent soloist - no quibbles whatsoever- in the persons of Robert Getchell (counter-tenor), Hervé Lamy (tenor), and Alain Buet (basso)
As far as I'm concerned: a top recommendation.

REVIEW in English (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=7615) & REVIEW in French (http://www.forumopera.com/critiques/charpentier_vepres.htm)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on November 09, 2007, 12:23:06 AM
What energy Que, but agree with you, exhilarating no less......
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 11, 2007, 01:28:41 AM
I've posted a lot on my new discoveries lately, I'll do just one more for this weekend.  :)

This is my first proper encounter with Louis Couperin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Couperin) (c1626-1661), uncle of famous François Couperin "Le Grand". I recognised some characteristics of the style of Froberger here. And indeed, as it turns out the two men knew each other and Louis Couperin was influenced by Froberger. But Louis Couperin has an individual style and sounds preminiscent of later French harpsichord music. I'm very impressed, he writes in a more "gallant" style with more decorum than Froberger, it's less idiosyncratic and but is as reflective in nature and full of inventiveness.
An excellent discography for Louis Couperin can be found HERE (http://www.newolde.com/couperin_louis.htm).

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                   click picture for more samples

Skip Sempé, (http://www.stravagante.com/skipsempe.html) and I very impressed by him. He strikes the right balance between profundity and vividness - probing but with a strong "pulse" and fine articulation. He has exceptional technique. It seems now my "Rousset infatuation"  ;D is fading, I've come to like several French harpsichordists: Noëlle Spieth, Céline Frisch, Blandine Rannou, Yves Rechsteiner, and now Skip Sempé. I'll definitely seek out more by him (discography (http://stravagante.com/discography.html)), maybe some on his new private label Paradizo (http://www.paradizo.org/).
Sempé plays a harpsichord built by Bruce Kenny after a French model: a very deep, "dark wood" sound. Unfortunately that's all the information provided on the instrument, but it sounds very impressive. As always with Alpha outstandingly recorded.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 18, 2007, 03:06:43 AM
According to amazon this was released two days ago but fnac says october, anyone heard it?
Looks interesting.

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http://www.amazon.de/Pieces-Clavecin-Pierre-Hantai/dp/tracks/B000VIFMJA (http://www.amazon.de/Pieces-Clavecin-Pierre-Hantai/dp/tracks/B000VIFMJA)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 21, 2007, 11:16:34 AM
Quote from: Drasko on November 18, 2007, 03:06:43 AM
According to amazon this was released two days ago but fnac says october, anyone heard it?
Looks interesting.

Drasko, interesting indeed! Will check that out.  :)


I had this recording with music by De Lalande, conducted by Olivier Schneebeli on my iPod the last few days. De Lalande's music - he was a contemporary of Charpentier - is wonderfully delicate and sweet. Textures are light as a feather and transparent, the music joyous and dancing. I found this very attractive indeed!
The performance is really excellent and expressive. I don't agree with the comments - in the otherwise very positive review below - about occasional overstatement. IMO Schneebeli is a conductor who strikes the balance between expressiveness and an unforced development of the music just right.

The review (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Dec02/DeLalande.htm) on Musicweb.

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                 click on picture for samples

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on November 23, 2007, 11:56:50 PM
So that it doesn't get buried in the long "listening" thread, here it is again:

Jacques Champion de Chambonnieres. Pieces de clavecin: Suites, Pavannes & Preludes. dhm 05472 77210 2 (1 CD 1993). Skip Sempe plays an antique Flemish harpsichord. John Wall at newolde.com: "The best harpsichord recording I've heard."  I, too, think it's smashing!  :)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on November 24, 2007, 12:19:23 AM
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La Rhétorique des Dieux
von Lutz Kirchhof (Künstler), Gaultier/Visee/Gallot/Reusner (Komponist)

Lute compositions must be my favourite genre in French baroque music and Lutz Kirchhof has made a credible summary of it in this recording.  The recorded sound is not foggy nor twang-y and his playing is beautifully incisive with a vitality in rhythms that seems to be lost in the performances of some (notably French) musicians in this repertory. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 24, 2007, 12:27:11 AM
Quote from: fl.traverso on November 24, 2007, 12:19:23 AM
La Rhétorique des Dieux
von Lutz Kirchhof (Künstler), Gaultier/Visee/Gallot/Reusner (Komponist)

Lute compositions must be my favourite genre in French baroque music and Lutz Kirchhof has made a credible summary of it in this recording.  The recorded sound is not foggy nor twang-y and his playing is beautifully incisive with a vitality in rhythms that seems to be lost in the performances of some (notably French) musicians in this repertory. 

I've enjoyed Kirchhof's Bach recordings very much - which composers are in this recording?

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on November 24, 2007, 02:45:51 AM
Quote from: Que on November 24, 2007, 12:27:11 AM
I've enjoyed Kirchhof's Bach recordings very much - which composers are in this recording?

Q


Gaultier (both Ennemond and Dennis)/Visee/Gallot/Reusner
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on December 25, 2007, 02:46:08 AM
French baroque lovers!  :)
I'm just dropping a short note on an interesting bargain box set "200 years of Music at Versailles" that has just been released. It contains 20 CD's and a CD-ROM with liner notes, for about €50, with top performers from various labels, like Rousset, Minkowski, Niquet, Schneebeli, Christie, etc.

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click on picture for a presentation of the content with samples

On Amazon: FR (http://www.amazon.fr/200-Musique-Versailles-Coffret-baroque/dp/B000X37J6M/ref=pd_sbs_m_img_2).

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bassio on December 29, 2007, 05:15:27 PM
Wow, all your suggestions made me rethink why I have not explored this area of the repertoire.
I am always cautious with vocal repertoire however.

As for Rameau's suites: I will go for Scott Ross any day.

But (being an amateur pianist), I also like Hewitt's recording on Hyperion,
but I guess that most of you here won't appreciate Rameau on the piano.
You can check my review here if you are interested:
http://www.allaboutclassical.com/latestreviews

I hope to listen to Ross again and review his marvellous account too. I have not listened to it in a while.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 01, 2008, 12:00:25 AM
Recommended posts.

Q

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Quote from: Drasko on December 17, 2007, 11:17:37 AM

Very nice music, I quite like it. French baroque, late XVII century, consists of seven suites of variable lengths, mostly dance movements. Stylistically most reminiscent of Louis Couperin, to my not so finely atuned ear at least.
There seems to be very little known on Le Roux and even those suites aren't decidedly for harpsicord (though they certainly sound very right on it). Meyerson and Crawford play two harpsicord version and play it very nicely on two fine french instruments (Taskin 1769, Goermans 1764).
I'd definitely recommend hearing Le Roux.
This disc is pretty much oop, Rousset plays solo on L'Oiseau Lyre, there is Naxos disc (mix of one and two harpsicords), and there is one disc on some small french label which I can't quite figure out.
Maybe our resident french baroque expert could add more, if those Corsican fishermen haven't caught up with him.

Here is Gramophone review, first two paragraphs are ok, third is usual superfluous flowery galanterie.

"Gaspard Le Roux was active in Paris as a composer during the later years of the seventeenth and first decade of the eighteenth centuries. Apart from his music, of which the little that is known was printed, we know hardly anything about this shadowy figure in French musical life. But in his own time Le Roux was evidently quite a prominent musician, and the fact that Bach's pupil, Krebs, had copied one of Le Roux's suites – Bruce Gustafson mentions this in his informative note – is some indication of his standing further afield.

Le Roux's suites – there are seven of them – were published in Paris in 1705, and were not exclusively designed as harpsichord music. In fact Le Roux wrote out the parts in such a way that the pieces could be played by two melody instruments and figured bass, by a solo harpsichord or by two harpsichords. It is this last realization that has been chosen by Mitzi Meyerson and Lisa Crawford, who play two mid-eighteenth-century French harpsichords. These highly adaptable Pieces de clavessin offer in such performances wonderful opportunities for resonant sonority and imaginative elaboration, over and above the specified ornaments that are such a distinctive feature of harpsichord music of the grand siecle. None of this is lost on Meyerson and Crawford, whose rhythmic playing and vital responses to Le Roux's inventive talent make for engaging entertainment.

Each suite contains the three basic ingredients of allemande, courante and sarabande; thereafter a profusion of preludes, menuets, gavottes and other galanteries provide the complement. There are many splendid pieces here, ranging from noble allemandes and sprightly courantes, to sarabandes whose expressive puissance and often melancholy inflexions make them among the most rewarding of all the assembled dances. Two of them seem to me worthy of special mention, that belonging to the Sixth Suite, variously recalling both Couperin and Rameau, and another belonging to the Third Suite, eloquent, flowing, and with some deliciously dissonant moments, highlighted by the equally delicious, but astringent tuning that gives a bite to much else in the programme. A stylish performance, with supple body, though in no way lacking in sensibility. Recommended." 
Nicholas Anderson


Quote from: Lilas Pastia on December 17, 2007, 04:00:59 PM

I have another recording of Le Roux' Pièces de clavessin (on Arkadia), and the notes have a rather interesting story about his life: apparently not a single record of the so-called Le Roux exists apart from that score. No concert attendance (very publicized and mundane events), no address, no house, no nothing. The author goes on to mention the strong stylistic affinity between D'Anglebert's harpsichord works and Le Roux' style and further conjectures that he was actually D'Anglebert's own son. Widely known as one of France's foremost harpsichord virtuosos, D'Anglebert Jr was loathed by Couperin because of his court positions (he was "Claveciniste du Roy"). In turn, he was very much in awe of his famous father's renown as a composer and might not have dared publish anything under his own name for fear of comparison. 

I'm not sure about that scenario. Both recordings date from 1993.  Given that the above story is player Iakovos Pappas' own conjecturing, it's very possible that Rousset was unaware or just uninterested in participating in it. But the thesis of a pseudonym seems very logical.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 08, 2008, 01:00:24 AM
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In reply to my query, Harmonia mundi informed me that they plan to reissue this 4CD-set of the complete symphonies at end of this year!  :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on January 08, 2008, 01:02:46 AM
Quote from: Que on January 08, 2008, 01:00:24 AM
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In reply to my query, Harmonia mundi informed me that they plan to reissue this 4CD-set of the complete symphonies at end of this year!  :)

Q

That is good news indeed. It was for long on my list!
Thank you for all the trouble Que.
:)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on January 08, 2008, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Que on January 08, 2008, 01:16:14 AM
I'm very much looking forward to it as well - beats paying outrageous prices for old copies. ;D

Q

Mine wasn't outrageously priced - and came with the notes!  ;)

Seriously, Reyne is all he is cracked up to be - second to none in interpretation of Lully (on Accord) and other French music of his time (imo).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on January 08, 2008, 04:27:00 AM
Quote from: fl.traverso on January 08, 2008, 04:25:49 AM
Mine wasn't outrageously priced - and came with the notes!  ;)

Well give us a link then, and we may profit also.... :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on January 08, 2008, 04:32:02 AM
Quote from: Harry on January 08, 2008, 04:27:00 AM
Well give us a link then, and we may profit also.... :)

Alas it was ebay...  But there is no doubt that the performance will sound beautiful, be it original or reissue.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on January 08, 2008, 04:42:33 AM
Quote from: fl.traverso on January 08, 2008, 04:32:02 AM
Alas it was ebay...  But there is no doubt that the performance will sound beautiful, be it original or reissue.  :)

Well its reissue for us then......that means waiting! :P
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on January 08, 2008, 05:39:33 AM
Quote from: Harry on January 08, 2008, 04:42:33 AM
Well its reissue for us then......that means waiting! :P

Wait until you hear the xylophones and cymbals (a la gamelan) in the Airs des Siamois... worth every penny!  :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on January 11, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
Need bit help. I'm trying to figure out how much of various Couperins' harpsicord music Gustav Leonhardt did record (or at least what is on CD).

- Louis Couperin disc on DHM ( Suites in a-minor, F major, C major & F sharp minor Pavane)
- Francois Couperin disc on DHM (ordres 5 & 7)
- Francois Couperin disc on Philips (ordres 2, 17, 21)
- Couperin Family mixed disc on Philips (including Francois' 15 ordre)
- Frescobaldi / Louis Couperin mixed disc on Alpha

Have I missed any?   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on January 11, 2008, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: Drasko on January 11, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
Have I missed any?   

I believe Leonhardt's Alpha organ disc includes some selections from F Couperin's Organ Masses also.  It's not exactly "harpsichord music" though.  ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Rod Corkin on January 13, 2008, 01:57:08 AM
I would say Rameau is easily the best of the French, producing some superior quality material. But this quality is not so consistent over his output from what I've heard, so he's not quite in Handel's league. But he is capable of some nice melodic touches.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on January 15, 2008, 08:20:46 AM
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Michel Alabau
Lully, Rameau: Scènes d'opéras en forme de suites

Organ transcriptions of course were not a nineteenth-century invention, and here the historical JE Isnard (1774) organ is put to superb use presenting some most glorious moments from operas by both Lully and Rameau, with colourful registration and stylish playing to boot.  Pierre Bardon wrote an informative note about the instrument also.  A very good £2 spent (off ebay) as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 18, 2008, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: fl.traverso on January 15, 2008, 08:20:46 AM
Michel Alabau
Lully, Rameau: Scènes d'opéras en forme de suites

Organ transcriptions of course were not a  invention, and here the historical JE Isnard (1774) organ is put to superb use presenting some most glorious moments from operas by both Lully and Rameau, with colourful registration and stylish playing to boot.  Pierre Bardon wrote an informative note about the instrument also.  A very good £2 spent (off ebay) as far as I am concerned.

I really should visit ebay more!
Looks like a very nice disc - French organ music - and French organs (!) are growing on me. So, I definitely keep this in mind. :)


Got this Le Roux disc recently, spurred by Drasko's earlier post on him.

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Gaspard Le Roux wrote alternative "concert" versions for his "Pièces de Clavessin", to be performed by wind or string instruments and continuo or, alternatively, on two harpsichords. Presented here are performances with violin, traverse flute, viola da gamba, theorbe and harpsicord. The préludes were only written in a version for one harpsichord and are played by Olivier Baumont.
I was impressed by the music - they are a match for Couperin's Concert Royaux - very charming and catchy. Expertly done by Baumont c.s. Recommended.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 18, 2008, 05:21:37 PM
Thanks, Mr. Q, this is right down my alley  :D. Now, I only have to locate a copy.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on January 19, 2008, 04:58:46 AM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on January 18, 2008, 05:21:37 PM
Thanks, Mr. Q, this is right down my alley  :D. Now, I only have to locate a copy.

http://www.amazon.com/Roux-Concerts-Pour-Dessus-Basse-Ensemble-Va/dp/B0002SZVW2

http://www.amazon.ca/Concerts-Pour-Dessus-Ensemble-Variations/dp/B0002SZVW2
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 19, 2008, 07:16:45 AM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on January 18, 2008, 05:21:37 PM
Thanks, Mr. Q, this is right down my alley  :D. Now, I only have to locate a copy.

Thanks, it is my first encounter with the label "Accord Baroque" - which is issued by Universal France.

How is for instance that Gilles Motets disc, Drakso? :)
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Other items that caught my interest are: the other disc with choral music by Gilles , Jacquet de la Guerre's accompanied violin sonatas, two volumes of Louis Couperin's "Pièces de Clavecin" by Noëlle Spieth, Leclair's violin concertos, the Rebel disc, and many more... 8)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 20, 2008, 12:53:32 AM
My other purchase on Accord Baroque is my first acquaintance with composer Joseph Bodin de Boismortier.

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Boismortier was apparently a prolific composer but wrote very little religious works. This disc contains them all. Firstly a colourfull seven part "grand motet" with all trappings: first and second violins and oboes, recorders, trumpets and kettledrums. Secondly six motets with soprano, here exquisitely sung by Véronique Gens (!). This disc is recommendable for these beautiful motets with Véronique alone.
Performances are top-notch, we also have counter-tenor Fouchécourt and the ensemble "Le Concert Spirituel" under Hervé Niquet leaves nothing to be desired. Boismortier's style is colourful in the motet and has a certain light, uplifting, "Handelian" quality overall. Not the seriousness and solemnity of the religious works by Campra, Charpentier, etc.

One caveat: even with all religious works by Boismortier, playing time is still rather short measured with 45 minutes. But luckily this is not full price.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on January 20, 2008, 02:07:13 AM
Quote from: pjme on January 19, 2008, 06:48:00 AM

But of course!

Here's more from the Royaumont site :http://www.royaumont.com

I visited the Abbey last year. A magical place! Take the virtual tour ..or go there ,sooner or later.

Lully/Quinault : Cadmus et Hermione



An operatic training and performance workshop
Production project from Théâtre National de l'Opéra-Comique, in coproduction with le Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles and Royaumont Foundation.


(snipped for brevity)

11 soloist singers
15 chorus and coryphei singers 
8 dancers.



I have the DVD of Lully/Moliere "Le bourgeois gentilhomme" from Dumestre and al. and it has been one of the best experience I have ever enjoyed in classical music theatre.  I will look out for the Lully with avid anticipation.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on January 20, 2008, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Que on January 19, 2008, 07:16:45 AM

How is for instance that Gilles Motets disc, Drasko? :)
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It might be quite some time until that one gets serious listening time, pretty swamped these days. From initial spin I can tell you that there is one motet and three lamentations. Motet is very nice but didn't quite make me go "Wow!" (what Delalande's Confitebor Tibi Domine and Super Filumina Babylonis did big time), Lamentationes are very good, toned down ornamentation, solemn but not dreary.

Can give you few words on composer - born in 1668 in Provence in poor family, become choirboy at chatedral of Aix-en-Provance and raised to choirmaster by 1693, held that position for two years and then just took off and wandered around for the next ten years, died quite young age 37 in 1705. Had one smashing hit in Requiem, perfomed at funerals of Rameau and Louis XV.

Performers are the same bunch as on that Boismortier disc - Gens, Fouchecourt et al - Le Concert Spirituel under Niquet, so you already know how they sound, recording is from 1988.

I've uploaded you opening movement of the Motet and one randomly chosen from Lamentations:
http://rapidshare.com/files/85299435/Gilles_Niquet_samples.zip.html
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 20, 2008, 07:18:13 PM
Gilles' religious music is very nice. But for a bit more flamboyance try his contemporary Campra. He, too, wrote a Te Deum, a Requiem and assorted Grands motets.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on February 17, 2008, 12:36:18 AM
Time to get back to business. 8)

I got myself a LOT of French Baroque music lately!  :o
Most items are on the Accord Baroque series from French Universal, it contains items from the
high quality catalogue of the (former) small French label Accord.

A trio of chamber music for this post. I've uploaded some good quality, sizeable samples.
See also my earlier comment on the disc with music by Gaspard Le Roux HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg131620.html#msg131620).

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I knew composer/violinist Jean-Ferry (Jean-Féry) Rebel (http://www.early-music.com/view.asp?ID=1136), by name only. Here is a recording of his complete Trio Sonatas, based on an Italian model, but adapted to French style and taste. The resulting synthesis of Italian form and French sonorities and rhythms is nice and entertaining, though the emotional expressiveness is modest. Performance is excellent - Noëlle Spieth on harpsichord.

The "Concerts en Sextuors" are basically adaptations for string sextet of Jean-Philippe Rameau's "Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts". They might be by Rameau himself, but that is not certain. The adaptations date probably from the end of his life or shortly thereafter. I found them fascinating and think they definitely have a (pre)Classical feel to them. Beautifully performed by Daniel Cuiller (1st violin) et al. Strongly recommended!

Élizabeth Jacquet de la Guerre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Jacquet_de_la_Guerre) was another unknown to me. These Duo and Trio Sonatas are also written in an hybrid, "Italianate" style, which is quite interesting. On first impression I found them a tad Academic, but found out that they contain some nice, inventive and virtuosic writing for the violin. This gives these works an edge for me personally. Excellent performance by the Ensemble Variations.

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To some up: the Rameau is the pick of the bunch here, but for lovers of the baroque violin Jacquet de la Guerre might be attractive. The Rebel makes for some introvert atmospheric French sonorities.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on February 17, 2008, 07:05:56 AM
Quote from: Que on February 17, 2008, 12:36:18 AM


I knew composer/violinist Jean-Ferry (Jean-Féry) Rebel (http://www.early-music.com/view.asp?ID=1136), by name only. Here is a recording of his complete Trio Sonatas, based on an Italian model, but adapted to French style and taste. T

Manze did a recording of Rebel sonatas and Goebel and Minkowski (and Hogwood) all did a wonderful recording of Rebel's ballet music Les Elements, famous for its opening dissonance, played as a tutti chord that sounds like an explosion even by today's standards.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on February 17, 2008, 07:25:08 AM
Quote from: fl.traverso on February 17, 2008, 07:05:56 AM
... Goebel and Minkowski (and Hogwood) all did a wonderful recording of Rebel's ballet music Les Elements, famous for its opening dissonance, played as a tutti chord that sounds like an explosion even by today's standards.

Thanks, sounds good. Which one would you (or anyone) recommend?
Were I to buy blindly/on instinct, I would opt for Minkowski.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bptKZz9ZL._SS500_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lDMNd%2BLyL._SS500_.jpg) (http://cover6.cduniverse.com/msiart/large/0000167/0000167867.jpg)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on February 17, 2008, 07:42:01 AM
Quote from: Que on February 17, 2008, 07:25:08 AM
Were I to buy blindly/on instinct, I would opt for Minkowski.

Minkowski probably has the loudest 'blowup' and does dances with unmatched élan and rigour.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 17, 2008, 07:53:41 AM
Quote from: Que on February 17, 2008, 12:36:18 AM
Time to get back to business. 8)

I got myself a LOT of French Baroque music lately!  :o
Élizabeth Jacquet de la Guerre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Jacquet_de_la_Guerre) was another unknown to me. These Duo and Trio Sonatas are also written in an hybrid, "Italianate" style, which is quite interesting. On first impression I found them a tad Academic, but found out that they contain some very nice, inventive and virtuosic writing for the violin. This gives these works an edge for me. Excellent performance by the Ensemble Variations.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z5FTQW3WL._AA240_.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/247429125-M.jpg)

To some up: the Rameau is the pick of the bunch here, but for lovers of the baroque violin Jacquet de la Guerre will be attractive. The Rebel makes for some introvert atmospheric French sonorities.


Que - thanks for the recommendations - will need to check to see if that label is available easily 'across the pond'!  :D  At the end of last month, I put a post in the listening thread (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg134928.html#msg134928) on la Guerre - a disc (inserted above; and my first experience w/ this composer) that I acquired at the Arkiv Music Hungaroton sale - really enjoyable, and would be quite interested in obtaining more of her works.  Dave  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Ten thumbs on February 17, 2008, 12:56:11 PM
There is a wealth of interesting material on this thread that I will be returning to. One question though: the harp was very popular amongst the aristocracy. Was music written specifically for this instrument or did performers arrange other music, say that for harpsichord? Are there any recordings of French Baroque music played on solo harp?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: rubio on February 21, 2008, 08:17:17 PM
Anybody here know this disc?

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on February 21, 2008, 10:37:11 PM
Superb sound, colorful music, beautiful melodies, foot-tapping rhytms, a perfect one-disc introduction to Lully. A favorite disc for this baroque freak.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: rubio on February 21, 2008, 10:49:56 PM
Quote from: erato on February 21, 2008, 10:37:11 PM
Superb sound, colorful music, beuatiful melodies, foot-tapping rhytms, a perfect one-disc introduction to Lully. A favorite disc for this baroque freak.

The Norwegian Chamber Orchestra performed the Le bourgeois Gentilhomme yesterday, and I found it very entertaining. I would expect Savall to be even better in this music, so this disc will be ordered promptly! Any suggestions for Baroque music in the same category as the piece mentioned?
It could be expensive to delve deeper into this area, which is quite unfamiliar territory for me (except for the big names like Bach, Vivaldi, Handel etc.)... ::)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Morigan on February 22, 2008, 06:01:17 AM
My introduction to Lully's music was the soundtrack to the French film Le Roi danse. It's a great sampling of his music and it's performed by the now disbanded Musica Antiqua Köln w/ Goebel. I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on February 22, 2008, 06:21:55 AM
Quote from: Figaro on February 22, 2008, 06:01:17 AM
My introduction to Lully's music was the soundtrack to the French film Le Roi danse. It's a great sampling of his music and it's performed by the now disbanded Musica Antiqua Köln w/ Goebel. I highly recommend it.

I did not know that Musica Antiqua Koln was disbanded. :P
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 22, 2008, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: rubio on February 21, 2008, 08:17:17 PM
Anybody here know this disc?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SF5PQQ6WL._AA240_.jpg)

Sure, I purchased that disc last April (some great comments from the Amazonians (http://www.amazon.com/Jean-Baptiste-Lully-LOrchestre-Roi-Soleil/dp/B000031WY0/ref=sr_1_1/103-4191504-6570256?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1175903111&sr=1-1)); Savall seems always great in this genre - agree completely Erato's comments!  :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on February 23, 2008, 04:35:19 AM
A Charpentier post today. With two quite different sides of his choral music.

The first disc conducted by Schneebeli contains four elaborate "Grand Motets" that Charpentier wrote in the late 1670's/ early 1680's. Charpentier was influenced by the Italian oratorio style which he encountered when visiting Rome in the mid 1660's. As the name suggests these are performed by large forces with a double choir, each including four solo parts, and a double orchestra. This is mature Charpentier - expect no shock and awe, but highly eloquent, beautifully balanced and very sophisticated choral singing. What is special for a sacred piece of the time is the combination of the choral singing with quite extensive instrumental scoring - played by the Czech ensemble Musica Florea. As Bill remarked, an harpsichord is at times used as continuo, alternated with a chamber organ. Performances are superb - on the instrumental as well as the choral side. Recordings were made during two live performances at Versailles - this is not noticeable except for the more "blended" / diffuse sound that Harry noticed.
It's a beauty, and an excellent companion to Schneebeli's recording of the "Vêspres pour Saint Louis" (Alpha).

(http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/accueil/disques_k617/catalogue/les_raretes_de_k617/grands_motets_a_double_chaeur/3069-1-fre-FR/grands_motets_a_double_chaeur_full.jpg)   (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511SCUyIiuL._SS400_.jpg)

The second disc contains funeral music, "Messe pour les tréspassés" and "Motet pour les tréspassés", that the young Charpentier wrote a few years after his return from Italy on commission from the Guise family. Again double choirs, but with modest though gorgeous (recorders!) instrumentation. The mood is solemn yet expressive, very powerful and touching music. These pieces are accompanied on this disc with a much later work (1685 and reworked in the 1690's): "Miserere des Jésuites" - sober, ethereal and imaginative.
This is a very nice disc, showing off alternative aspects of Charpentier's art. Recommended.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 08, 2008, 01:56:22 AM
For me one of the French Baroque discoveries for quite some time!
I had never heard of the composer, Jean-François Dandrieu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Dandrieu), but got this on account of the performance by French harpsichordist Olivier Baumont. Stylistically I would place Dandrieu right between Jean-Philippe Rameau and François Couperin. And these harpsichord pieces are IMO of excellent musical quality - it's music with a strong individual character and very catchy. Great stuff IMO and I can't think of any reason why there are no recordings of all of his harpsichord works - this is only a selection. Anyway, I guess we'll have to make do with this incomplete but superb performance by Baumont. :)

As you've guessed by now: interested in French Baroque harpsichord music? - this is a must-buy!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on March 10, 2008, 08:49:29 AM
Thanks Que for the Dandrieu introduction and clip. Nice music indeed!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on April 17, 2008, 12:22:37 AM
A post on two sets containing a mix of instrumental music and songs or cantatas today.

A gorgeous sounding collection of viol music, purely instrumental or as accompaniment in songs, from the early French Baroque (during the reign of Louis XIII).  Instrumental works by: Louis Couperin, Du Mont, Métru, Moulinié, Vallet, Le Jeune, Du Caurroy and Roberday. Songs by: Boesset, Guédron, Thibaud de Courville, Cadéac, Le Jeune and Du Mont.

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This disc - that I got as a bargain - pleasantly surprised me. I'm somewhat prejudiced against "hotchpotch" programming, but in this case it is a major strength of the recording. A superb disc for which I have nothing but praise. The ensemble L' Amoroso, consisting of three viols and a violin, accompanied by a theorbo, lute, harpsichord or organ is topnotch - what exquisite music making! And beautifully recorded. More praise for soprano Caroline Pelon: beautiful voice and very idiomatic singing - she effectively projects the emotions in the texts (which are fortunately provided with translations). Music is of excellent quality and here plays the intelligent programming a major role: the mix of instrumental music and songs of different but related composers makes for very varied and interesting listening. Add to that superb performances and we have a winner. Strongly recommended.  :)



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Center stage on this disc take three cantatas by Jean-Baptiste Stuck(1680-1755): L'Impatience, Mars Jaloux and Héraclite & Démocrite. Between the cantatas are two pieces of chamber music by Michele Mascitti and François Duval. Beautiful performances, beautifully recorded. Great packaging and interesting liner notes, full texts with translations. But all in all, I was somewhat disappointed in the musical inspiration of Monsieur Stuck - nice, maybe quite nice even, but not more than that. The absence of female singers doesn't help either. A bit on the dutiful side, I would say. Though I can imagine those into this repertoire, having a great time with this disc.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 09, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
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Very impressive, though he could relax a bit in simpler pieces.

Here are few samples:
F.Couperin - L'Amphibie (24e ordre) - Pierre Hantai (http://www.mediafire.com/?tjdwdkrvtma)
F.Couperin - La Flore (5e ordre) - Pierre Hantai (http://www.mediafire.com/?1ljgwkznx9n)

and for comparison:
F.Couperin - La Flore (5e ordre) - Gustav Leonhardt ('71) (http://www.mediafire.com/?qgzgmm5yvvm)

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 10, 2008, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Drasko on May 09, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760127220275.jpg)

Very impressive, though he could relax a bit in simpler pieces.

Drasko, thanks for posting the samples. :)
I discovered that I keep having issues with Hantaï's style. His L'Amphibie (a brilliant piece, good choice!) sounds decidedly... quirky and heavy accented next to Rousset's elegant brilliance and Spieth's moving and poetic light touch...
I like Hantaï's La flore better, but there more to get out of the piece IMO. And Leonhardt is being his wise, contemplative and a bit stoic self.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 10, 2008, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: Que on May 10, 2008, 12:01:25 AM

I like Hantaï's La flore better, but there is more to get out of the piece IMO. And Leonhardt is being his wise, contemplative and a bit stoic self.

Or it might be put this way - maybe there should be less got out of the piece, since Hantai is bordering on overwrought. But I do find his playing very interesting, unexpected inner voices, lots of color. Maybe not for everyday choice but tasty alternative.

I don't really like Rousset, brilliant playing, amazing shaping of phrases (at that speed) but that is not even close to Gracieusement marking. He sounds as if he has a bus to catch. Spieth is interesting, would like to hear more of her.

My favorite is still Leonhardt, though.

Maybe someone could upload STIL ;D I mean Scott Ross, his Rameau is amazing, would love to hear his Couperin but availability is almost non-existant.

I'm also curious of Rannou double on Zig-Zag.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 10, 2008, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Drasko on May 10, 2008, 11:28:51 AM
Spieth is interesting, would like to hear more of her.

QuoteMaybe someone could upload STIL ;D I mean Scott Ross, his Rameau is amazing, would love to hear his Couperin but availability is almost non-existant.

I'm also curious of Rannou double on Zig-Zag.

Don't forget Olivier Baumont (Erato)! :)

Some extra Spieth. :)

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/3/3/0/3279792102033.jpg) (http://www.solstice-music.com/caddie/detail_article.php?id_art=164)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on May 11, 2008, 12:54:13 AM
Quote from: Que on April 17, 2008, 12:22:37 AMBut all in all, I was somewhat disappointed in the musical inspiration of Monsieur Stuck

Interesting because the only work by him I have (Héraclite et Démocrite) blew me away. Perhaps it's Monsieur Stuck's best effort?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 11, 2008, 07:06:28 AM
Quote from: Que on May 10, 2008, 10:56:30 PM

Don't forget Olivier Baumont (Erato)! :)

Some extra Spieth. :)

Thanks! Spieth box has been tempting me for some time now, but the price is not much of a bargain. The Baumont set is four times (!) cheaper at the moment:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Couperin-Complete-Works-Harpsichord-Francois/dp/B000OCZ7WK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Couperin-Complete-Works-Harpsichord-Francois/dp/B000OCZ7WK)
Haven't heard his Couperin but do have his complete Rameau on Adda, very good, mostly straightforward playing with nice rhythmic assertiveness.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 12, 2008, 12:44:02 AM
Quote from: Drasko on May 11, 2008, 07:06:28 AM
Thanks! Spieth box has been tempting me for some time now, but the price is not much of a bargain. The Baumont set is four times (!) cheaper at the moment:

Spieth is indeed distastefully expensive. I got lucky: just at the moment my interest was raised in the set, I discovered SOLSTICE (http://www.solstice-music.com/index.php?) had it in a temporal offer: 40% off. So I took my chances immediately.. :) Check their site now and then.
One caveat: the set was produced before the advent of slim cardboard boxes, so it is (like my Rousset set) HUGE..

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on May 12, 2008, 06:37:48 AM
There is also a brilliant box set of Couperin by Michael Borgstede.  Does anyone know anything about that?  I have the Rousset (purchased when it was first released), and have tried in vain to obtain the Scott Ross set as well.  The Spieth set is so tempting, but at today's rate of exchange, prohibitively expensive!


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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on May 12, 2008, 07:06:23 AM
Quote from: Bunny on May 12, 2008, 06:37:48 AM
There is also a brilliant box set of Couperin by Michael Borgstede.  Does anyone know anything about that?  I have the Rousset (purchased when it was first released), and have tried in vain to obtain the Scott Ross set as well.  The Spieth set is so tempting, but at today's rate of exchange, prohibitively expensive!


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You can buy this set without any doubt about the quality Bunny.
Recordings and instruments are fine, and the performances better as any that I heard, graceful, almost royal renderings.
Scott Ross is fine to, but a bit to racy for my taste, they make me very nervous.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on May 12, 2008, 07:37:51 AM
I like it as well. Very graceful (as Harry says) and sensual performances.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on May 12, 2008, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: Bunny on May 12, 2008, 06:37:48 AM
There is also a brilliant box set of Couperin by Michael Borgstede.  Does anyone know anything about that?  I have the Rousset (purchased when it was first released), and have tried in vain to obtain the Scott Ross set as well.  The Spieth set is so tempting, but at today's rate of exchange, prohibitively expensive!


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Honestly I like the sound on the Olivier Baumont set better (a Radio France production).  Baumont's
interpretation may strike some as being plain but I think it is subtle.  (Brilliance suits Chopin better
than it does Couperin as far as I am concerned.)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 04, 2008, 07:51:49 AM
For all still interested:  Olivier Baumont's Couperin (Warner) is now in stock at BRO. :D

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 04, 2008, 08:14:18 AM
For those still interested: Noëlle Spieth's Couperin is available at DiscoveryRecords.com for £82.99 (~$162.00). Shipping to USA is £2.00 (cheaper than Amazon UK!).  That's the best price I've been able to findl; Solstice lists it at €125 ($193.00).

(https://www.discovery-records.com/csp/dis/discovery/large/SOCD210-9.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: rubio on June 07, 2008, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Que on December 25, 2007, 02:46:08 AM
French baroque lovers!  :)
I'm just dropping a short note on an interesting bargain box set "200 years of Music at Versailles" that has just been released. It contains 20 CD's and a CD-ROM with liner notes, for about €50, with top performers from various labels, like Rousset, Minkowski, Niquet, Schneebeli, Christie, etc.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515DsQ6cdJL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.coffretbaroque.com/parcourir.html)
click on picture for a presentation (in French) of the content with samples

A review on classiquenews.com (//http://) (in French)

On Amazon: FR (http://www.amazon.fr/200-Musique-Versailles-Coffret-baroque/dp/B000X37J6M/ref=pd_sbs_m_img_2).

Q

Has anybody here listened to this set now? How is the repertoire? A lot of fanfares?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on June 11, 2008, 10:08:37 AM
Very enjoyable, although singing of Aix-en-Provance group is occasionally touch less polished than under usual suspects (Christie, Minkowski or Schneebeli for instance)

(http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/accueil/disques_k617/catalogue/les_raretes_de_k617/grands_et_petits_motets/2737-1-fre-FR/grands_et_petits_motets_full.jpg)

Two samples (whole motets):

Grand Motet Paratum cor meum (http://www.mediafire.com/?ikejitej1ex)
Laure Bonnaure (Dessus), Jean-François Lombard (Haute-Contre), Jean-François Novelli (Taille)
Vincent Deliau (Baryton), René Linnenbank (Basse)
Chœur & Ensemble instrumental des Festes d’Orphée
Direction : Guy Laurent

Petit Motet Afferte Domino (http://www.mediafire.com/?gzmybvuz2mj)
Laure Bonnaure (Dessus), Brigitte Tramier (orgue historique de l’église de Cucuron)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 11, 2008, 09:04:47 PM
Quote from: Drasko on June 11, 2008, 10:08:37 AM
Very enjoyable, although singing of Aix-en-Provance group is occasionally touch less polished than under usual suspects (Christie, Minkowski or Schneebeli for instance)

(http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/accueil/disques_k617/catalogue/les_raretes_de_k617/grands_et_petits_motets/2737-1-fre-FR/grands_et_petits_motets_full.jpg)

Two samples (whole motets)

Drasko, many thanks for the samples! :) Sounds indeed like nice "earthy" performances. Like the music as well, maybe Gilles was not the brightest light of the French Baroque but this is very enjoyable.

Quote from: Bunny on June 11, 2008, 03:20:40 PM
I have ordered this set, and the price including shipping came to about $150 which really is a bargain if you consider the price at Solstice and the state of the American dollar. :D

Great that you could get it at an afforable price!
Will be most curious what you make of the music making on that set. :)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on June 12, 2008, 05:40:55 AM
Even better, I was able to pick up the Baumont set at Berkshire Records for a mere $49.90 (plus BRO's extremely low shipping charges).  That is actually better than the prices I saw for the Brilliant Classics set.  Unfortunately, that one is still on the unopened stack, but I hope to be able to listen to it very soon. :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on July 07, 2008, 06:20:12 AM
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I've been looking for some reading material on the matter of this thread, is this one recommendable? Anyone familiar with it? This should be latest (2nd) revision mounting to about 600 pages.
I'm guessing there is much wider selection of books in French but unfortunately can't read French.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on October 17, 2008, 12:14:19 AM
While exploring new composer of classical music I am constantly surprised how my "early" favorites keep kicking ass. I loved M.-A. Charpentier's music the first time I heard it on radio and I still do. He is definitely my favorite French composer of 17th century. I have 5 discs of his music on Naxos (excellent value, recommended!), La Descente... opera (William Christie) and 3 CDs of Lecons de Ténèbres on Virgin (Il Seminario musicale/Lesne) which is just mindblowing. Why explore inferior composers when I can explore superior composers like Charpentier? Then there is of course Rameau, the greatest French composer of 18th century.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lethevich on October 21, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
Who are the best composers of "grands motets", and which are the preferred recordings of them? I recently heard De Mondonville's and was very impressed, and from a quick Amazon scan, I see that composers in this style include Rameau, Campra, Lully, De Lalande, Desmarest, Du Mont, which is a lot to buy without any guidance... 0:)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on October 22, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
Meanwhile, Arkivmusic.com just sent out an ad for this "new," "latest and greatest" box set: 200 Ans de Musique à Versailles
All for the bargain (?!) price of $99.99. 

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Label:  MBF   Catalog #: MBF1108

Partial Description:

Composer:   Antoine Boësset,  Robert Ballard,  Anonymous,  Jacques Chambonnieres,  François Richard,
Jean Lacquemant,  Ennemond Gaultier,  François De Chancy,  Etienne Moulinie,  Michel Lambert,
Jean-Baptiste Lully,  Andre Destouches,  Pascal Colasse,  Marin Marais,  Marc-Antoine Charpentier,
François Couperin,  Michel Richard Delalande,  Jean-Baptiste Lully II,  Henry Dumont,  Henry Desmarets,
Sébastien de Brossard,  Jean-Philippe Rameau,  François Francoeur,  Franç. Collin de Blamont,  Jean-Joseph Cassanéa de Mondonville,
André Campra,  Claude-Béninge Balbastre,  Michel Corrette,  Louis-Claude Daquin,  Antonio Sacchini,
Niccolò Piccinni,  Rodolphe Kreutzer,  Pierre-Alexandr Monsigny,  Jean-François Lesueur,  François Joseph Gossec,
François-André Danican Philidor,  André Modeste Grétry,  Simon Leduc,  Henri-Joseph Rigel,  Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart,
Hyacinthe Jadin,  François Devienne,  Pierre Vachon,  Giuseppe Maria Cambini,  Luigi Boccherini,
François Giroust,  Nicolas Séjean,  Guillaume Lasceux
Performer:  Monique Zanetti,  Claire Antonini,  Barbara Kusa,  Marc Mauillon,  Jean-François Lombard,
Edwin Crossley-Mercer,  Véronique Gens,  Benoît Porcherot,  David Witczak,  Stéphanie D'Oustrac,
Patricia Petitbon,  Sophie Daneman,  Sabine Garrone,  Edwige Parat,  Anne Magouët,
François-Nicolas Geslot,  Hervé Lamy,  Jean-Claude Sarragosse,  Céline Scheen,  Mathias Vidal,
Hanna Bayodi,  Lluis Vilamajó,  Stephan Macleod,  Amel Brahim-Djelloul,  Damien Guillon,
Howard Crook,  Arnaud Marzoratti,  Sébastien Droy,  Stéphanie Révidat,  Olivier Lallouette,
Jean-Paul Fauchécourt,  Delphine Collot,  Catherine Padaut,  Gilles Ragon,  Jérôme Corréas,
Paul Agnew,  Rebecca Ockenden,  Laurent Slaars,  Jean-Louis Meunier,  Luc Coadou,
Russel Smythe,  Jean-Paul Fouchécourt,  Bernarda Fink,  Laurent Naouri,  Jean-Louis Georgel,
Jacques Des Longchamps,  Arnaud Richard,  Bénédicte Tauran,  Aurore Bucher,  Caroline Mutel,
Virginie Pochon,  Jean-Sébastien Bou,  Maarten Koningsberger,  François Piolino,  Maryseult Wieczorek,
François Bazola,  Nicolas Rivenq,  Isabelle Poulenard,  Romain Champion,  Robert Getchell,
Christophe Grapperon,  Olivier Latry,  Roberta Invernizzi,  Pierre-Yves Pruvot,  Andreas Staier,
Atsushi Sakai,  Karine Crocquenoy,  Julien Chauvin,  Cécile Brossard,  Alexis Kossenko,
Alain Buet,  Cyril Auvity,  James Oxley,  Kareen Durand,  Philippe Do
Conductor:  Gérard Lesne,  Olivier Schneebeli,  Alice Piérot,  Patrick Cohën-Akenine,  Marek Stryncl,
William Christie,  Joel Suhubiette,  Philippe Pierlot,  Hervé Niquet,  Christophe Coin,
Marc Minkowski,  Christophe Rousset,  Frederick Haas,  Mira Glodeanu,  Sébastien D'Hérin,
Louis Castelain,  Antonio Florio,  Guy Van Waas,  Jérôme Corréas,  Jérémie Rhorer,
Jean-Claude Malgoire
Orchestra/Ensemble:  Seminario Musicale,  Musica Florea,  Les Pages et Les Chantres de Versailles,
Le Concert Spirituel,  Les Folies Françoises,  Les Arts Florissants,
Jacques Moderne Ensemble,  Ricercar Consort,  Collegium Vocale Gent,
Limoges Baroque Ensemble,  Accentus Chamber Choir,  Les Musiciens du Louvre,
Les Talens Lyriques,  Ausonia,  Les Nouveaux Caractères,
Le Parnasse Français,  Cappella della Pietà de' Turchini,  Les Agrémens,
Les Paladins,  Le Cercle de l'Harmonie,  Cambini Quartet,
Namur Chamber Choir,  Les Chantres du Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles

Number of Discs: 20
Recorded in: Stereo
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on October 22, 2008, 07:03:11 AM
Quote from: Lethe on October 21, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
Who are the best composers of "grands motets", and which are the preferred recordings of them? I recently heard De Mondonville's and was very impressed, and from a quick Amazon scan, I see that composers in this style include Rameau, Campra, Lully, De Lalande, Desmarest, Du Mont, which is a lot to buy without any guidance... 0:)

I enjoy much the three Naxos discs of Lully's Grands Motets performed excelently by Le Concert Spirituel/Hervé Niquet.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 22, 2008, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Bunny on October 22, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
Meanwhile, Arkivmusic.com just sent out an ad for this "new," "latest and greatest" box set: 200 Ans de Musique à Versailles
All for the bargain (?!) price of $99.99. 

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/features/largecovers/207482_large.gif)

See my earlier post (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg122043.html#msg122043) on page 7 of this thread for more details - €45 at Amazon.fr! :)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on October 22, 2008, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lethe on October 21, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
Who are the best composers of "grands motets", and which are the preferred recordings of them? I recently heard De Mondonville's and was very impressed, and from a quick Amazon scan, I see that composers in this style include Rameau, Campra, Lully, De Lalande, Desmarest, Du Mont, which is a lot to buy without any guidance... 0:)

Good choice. In my humble opinion Grand Motet is one of the defining genres of French baroque and it's development folllows that of the entire period. They are also very nice entry point into vocal music of the period being less long-winded than operas and less pious than masses or requiems.
Classic model, as sort of extended cantata for 4-5 solo voices, chorus and orchestra on latin texts was created by Henry Du Mont, and that model basically never changed but styles, harmonies, influences, use of instruments most certainly did so choosing the best composer of Grand Motets isn't that easy since comparing Du Mont on one end and Mondonville on the other is pretty pointless. But if I had to chose one name it would be Delalande, he is simply the most convincing in molding all different elements, courtly galant airs, supportive and independent orchestral parts, polyphony and big monophonic battle choruses, into unified whole. His melodic invention is first rate and feeling for mixing intimate and dramatic unfailing.
So if you want one name disregarding the changes in idiom over the years that would be, in my mind undoubtedly, Delalande but if you'd want to explore the genre more or less chronologically then these would be the most essential names: Du Mont and Lully in the first generation, Delalande and Charpentier in the next, followed by Desmarest, Gilles (with some local influences and in case of Desmarest wide range of influences picked along his travels) then Francois Couperin and Campra (more and more of Italian style) and ending with Rameau and Mondonville. That is about hundred years worth, by the time of French revolution genre went out of fashion, from the period before 1660 little is preserved but you could try Bouzignac, not exactly grand motets, far closer to medieval style (I personally couldn't get into it but you like medieval).   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on October 22, 2008, 12:22:55 PM
And yes, the recordings (most already mentioned along this thread)

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/3381442.jpg)
Du Mont, Couperin, Rameau
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/5455312.jpg) (http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/HMA1951351.jpg)
De Lalande
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P3ZNWQEJL._SL500_AA240_.jpg) or (http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/accueil/disques_k617/catalogue/memoire_musicale_de_lorraine/quatre_motets_lorrains/4346-3-fre-FR/quatre_motets_lorrains_full.jpg)
Desmarest
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/5456182.jpg)
Campra
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/619AFFZJVML._SL500_AA240_.gif)
Mondonville
(http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/accueil/disques_k617/catalogue/les_raretes_de_k617/grands_et_petits_motets/2737-1-fre-FR/grands_et_petits_motets_full.jpg)
Gilles

Maybe someone else could cover Lully and Charpentier, I'm less familiar with their output of Grand Motets.

There is Rameau's In Convertendo on DVD but also on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLcuRfJzetI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3emeg3Y8Rfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHHCxpgpc2E
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lethevich on October 22, 2008, 05:41:32 PM
Yay, thanks. Lots to get :D You are right about their accessability, in the size of the sound created, at least in the recording I heard, they can sound like mini oratorios, and tend to end more quickly than I wish - which I suppose is a good thing ;D

Quote from: Drasko on October 22, 2008, 12:22:55 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/619AFFZJVML._SL500_AA240_.gif)
Mondonville

This is the one I heard - very well performed, it made a real impact.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 22, 2008, 05:55:53 PM
Excellent post, Milos! Thanks for the succinct appreciation of the genre.

Meanwhile, I'll try to see if there's place on my shelves for this mammoth box of "Versailles" music. I tend to listen less when it's not offered singly. I found that out with the Vivaldi box, the Couperin ones (harpsichord and chamber music) and a couple others. But if there's enough in there I don't already know, it might be worth it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 12, 2008, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: Que on June 24, 2008, 09:24:50 PM
I'm delighted to see this new issue by Rousset. I never got to his previous recording as a youngster on L'Oiseau Lyre, which has been OOP for a long, long time now.

Anyone heard it yet? :)

(http://store.limewire.com/covers/f/5/cf/3746/49cc/a98b/ab72/7bcf/f66d/71e5/7df8/e065/cover500.jpg)

Q

I have, and I'm very impressed with his playing nowdays (Bach French Suites also). It sounds to me there is more rhythmic and dynamic* shadings in his playing than before, of course with his ability of mellifluous legato phrasing at any given speed untouched. Hear for yourself, two pieces:

La Majestueuse**
http://www.mediafire.com/?zymkmmkdnkd
Le Vertigo
http://www.mediafire.com/?iuoknmjjwdu

He plays this beauty;
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7866/clavecingoujonswanenbm1.jpg)
Clavecin fait par Goujon(1749) et ravalé par Swanen (1784)



* Swanen ravalement includes knee lever diminuendo mechanism
** New tracks uploaded, link on next page
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: ezodisy on November 12, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: Drasko on November 12, 2008, 11:34:49 AM
Le Vertigo
http://www.mediafire.com/?iuoknmjjwdu

You've got ears of steel Drasko. I'm going in for surgery after that one. This is like some kind of early heavy metal.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 12, 2008, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on November 12, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
You've got ears of steel Drasko. I'm going in for surgery after that one.

Try to hold on till Covent Garden Elektra, that way you won't have to go twice, fluffy bunny ears.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: ezodisy on November 12, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
heh I nearly went tonight, just couldn't muster the energy to go out. I need some absinthe after that piece.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 12, 2008, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on November 12, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
You've got ears of steel Drasko. I'm going in for surgery after that one. This is like some kind of early heavy metal.

Oh great! :) I dote on extravagances like this - anyone thinks French Baroque is boring? ;D
A smashing instrument indeed, and Rousset is just the man for this.


PS Off topic - but Drasko, do try that Della Ciaja on Accord Baroque!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 13, 2008, 02:41:20 AM
REPOST:

Quote from: Que on November 10, 2008, 11:07:37 PM

BTW There is currently a special offer on this label "Accord" - whith many interesting recordings of French and Italian Baroque music - at MDT (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/search/Special%20Offers/SO_Accord/Accord1008/).

Quote from: Drasko on November 12, 2008, 05:55:23 AM
What would be your top 3-5 picks for the French stuff?

I haven't tried everything in that Accord Baroque (http://www.amazon.fr/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_41762765_13?ie=UTF8&docId=1000095703&pf_rd_m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=1G0M85W1MSRGD8BFTW45&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=150017591&pf_rd_i=13296551) series, but my top picks would be:

For the French baroque: definitely the Dandrieu by Olivier Baumont, closely followed by the two volumes of harpsichord music of Louis Couperin by Noëlle Spieth. Not to be missed is, also on account of the participation by Véronique Gens, the Boismortier motets - very colourful. Oops, that's four already!  ::) In chamber music I liked the Rameau Concerts en Sextuor very much indeed. But your money is also well spent on the Le Roux. Personally I wouldn't be without the Leclair violin concerts. Maybe not the most profound masterpieces but with a special, unique flavour and very inventive. And I cannot resist the top shelf violin playing by Daniel Cuillier.

I know - it's a bit much... ::) 8)

PS I have previously commented on several of these recordings on this very thread.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 27, 2008, 10:17:12 AM
Whilst trying to get some order in my rather messy mediafire account I accidentally deleted the two Royer pieces featuring few posts above ::)
So, if anyone wants to hear them in future do PM me and I'll re-upload them.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 29, 2008, 12:51:07 AM
(http://www.alapage.com/resize.php?&ref=327739&type=2&r=0&s=0&m=r)

Nice disc. Mondonville was apparently in the business of writing "pretty" music, pleasing to the ear and mind. He uses various "theatrical" effects in his music in connection to the text. The clarity and pretty smoothness has a pre-Mozartian feel to it. Stylistically very clear Italian influences. A very nice "different" flavour in the rich pallet of French Grands Motets, but other composers offer perhaps more emotional (and musical) profundity.
Performance is gorgeous: soft edged & delicate singing - real French subtlety.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 29, 2008, 12:59:10 AM
Quote from: Drasko on November 12, 2008, 11:34:49 AM
(http://store.limewire.com/covers/f/5/cf/3746/49cc/a98b/ab72/7bcf/f66d/71e5/7df8/e065/cover500.jpg)

I have, and I'm very impressed with his playing nowdays (Bach French Suites also). It sounds to me there is more rhythmic and dynamic shadings in his playing than before, of course with his ability of mellifluous legato phrasing at any given speed untouched.

I also got this disc and let me add my recommendation - a great disc of French harpsichord music. Rousset uncovers all the complexities in this music, indeed - terrific phrasing. The instrument sounds gorgeous: very rich, but still crystall clear - pretty much an ideal harpsichord for French music.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 29, 2008, 08:25:15 AM
Quote from: Que on November 29, 2008, 12:51:07 AM
Nice disc. Mondonville was apparently in the business of writing "pretty" music, pleasing to the ear and mind. He uses various "theatrical" effects in his music in connection to the text. The clarity and pretty smoothness has a pre-Mozartian feel to it. Stylistically very clear Italian influences. A very nice "different" flavour in the rich pallet of French Grands Motets, but other composers offer perhaps more emotional (and musical) profundity.
Performance is gorgeous: soft edged & delicate singing - real French subtlety.

Yes, Mondonville had been accused of being trite even in his time, Marmontel wrote something along that setting texts of David to pretty tunes and light choruses denigrates them, but I have to say I hardly give a damn. Seeking some psychological or philosophical profundity in Mondonville's music is certainly futile but I'd argue that craft and that hard to define concept of Bon Goût are the essence in his case, style is content here and I have no problems enjoying it.

As for pre-Mozartian feel, it is there with Mondonville but not quite yet. If you'd like to explore the real endgame of french Grands Motets, where late baroque morphs into classicism, this would be the disc to go for (two thirds of this disc are included in the big Versailles box as well):
(http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/modules/catalogue/les_raretes_de_k617/grands_motets/2881-1-fre-FR/grands_motets_full.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on December 04, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Que on November 29, 2008, 12:59:10 AM
I also got this disc and let me add my recommendation - a great disc of French harpsichord music. Rousset uncovers all the complexities in this music, indeed - terrific phrasing. The instrument sounds gorgeous: very rich, but still crystall clear - pretty much an ideal harpsichord for French music.

Q

Any ideas as to how this recording compares with his previous 1993 Royer excursion, which had a transcription in addition to all the same pieces? Besides the harpsichord (the one he used in the earlier recording was a 1751 Hemsch), are there any differences in interpretation, tempi, ornamentation etc.?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on December 05, 2008, 06:57:54 AM
Quote from: james66 on December 04, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
Any ideas as to how this recording compares with his previous 1993 Royer excursion, which had a transcription in addition to all the same pieces? Besides the harpsichord (the one he used in the earlier recording was a 1751 Hemsch), are there any differences in interpretation, tempi, ornamentation etc.?

I have the older recording but I've been considering the newer recording for a while; here's what I've learned about it: They are not the same recording; the the newer release does not include the transcription for harpsichord of La Chasse de Zäide (1739).  They are both available from amazon as mp3 downloads so you can sample the tracks for comparison.  It appears from the track samples that Rousset exercised more restraint in the ornamentation in the later recording which was made at the Musée de la Musique, Paris and it also has a drier accoustic.  Rousset used a Jean-Claude Goujon harpsichord modified by Jacques Joachim Swanen in 1784 from the collection of the Musée for the newer recording.  If I buy the second recording, it will be because of the instrument. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ClavecinGoujonSwanen.jpg/449px-ClavecinGoujonSwanen.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on December 06, 2008, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Bunny on December 05, 2008, 06:57:54 AM
Rousset used a Jean-Claude Goujon harpsichord modified by Jacques Joachim Swanen in 1784 from the collection of the Musée for the newer recording.  If I buy the second recording, it will be because of the instrument. 

Bunny, that would be an excellent reason because that harpsichord (more a piece of art in itself, really) sounds terrific. :)


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TD4WBKPFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Sébastien de Brossard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9bastien_de_Brossard) was a contemporary of Charpentier, and indeed competitor - he was passed over in favour of Charpentier for the job of maître de musique des enfants at the Sainte Chapelle in 1698. He was also a musicologist. Maybe technically less accomplished than Charpentier but it his highly individual emotional, rich and pungent style does it for me!  I consider this a great new find in the French Baroque. I'll definitely get more by him - on to his grands motets! :)

This disc contains a very touching 1mvt (18 mnts) Stabat Mater, a large motet and a Christmas Mass. The performance is superlative: the sound of the choir Les Pages et les Chantres de la Chapelle (http://www.cmbv.fr/index.php?ID=1010600), which includes young boys and girls, is marvelous and crystall clear - including great solos.

Five star review at Goldbergweb (http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/discography/1996/4078.php)

Samples at Amazon.fr
(http://www.amazon.fr/Stabat-Mater/dp/B000024ZAD)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on December 06, 2008, 01:35:40 AM
I have one Brossard discs (Lecons des morts, Véronique Gens/Gérard Lesne/Il Seminario musicale), part of a 5 CD boxset. I haven't warmed up to Brossard that much and I think this disc is enough for me. I prefer Charpentier and Clérambault much more.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 06, 2008, 07:01:35 AM
Well, I've obtain a surfeit of French harpsichord music lately -  :o

The 2 tops discs added recently to my collection after reading excellent reviews in Fanfare - both can be recommended; the 11-CD Couperin box discussed in this thread (and elsewhere) is in the mail!  8)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/431261538_DYu85-S.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/431261535_CzULG-S.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DEJBFC8PL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 07, 2008, 08:49:21 AM
Michael Borgstede's Brilliant Boxes of the Harpsichord Works of Couperin & Handel arrived in the mail yesterday afternoon - giving both a listening on Sunday morn - just want to put the post here for the Couperin - a couple of links provided to some good reviews; plus, I did just order the book mentioned in the edit from Amazon - looking forward to reading along on a future listening; obviously will take me a number of days to get through all of these discs! -  :D

QuoteWell, I'm in for some harpsichord music - Brilliant box arrivals yesterday in the late afternoon mail:

Couperin & Handel - both w/ Michael Borgstede, 11 & 4 discs, respectively - this will take me a while!  ;D

The Couperin booklet is good but too brief - the names for many of these orders are somewhat mysterious and Borgstede relates some of his own interpretations which are quite enjoyable - a short book on these works would be interesting!  Unfortunately, the Handel booklet offers NO text - somewhat disappointing, but for the ridiculously low prices paid of these sets and the quality of the playing, worth the 'entrance fee' -  :D

Both boxes have received excellent comments in our pages; plus, CLICK on the images for some other reviews.

EDIT:  Another excellent review of the Couperin Box HERE (http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/b/brl93082a.php) - also mentioned was the book - The Mirror of Human Life: Reflections on Francois Couperin's "Pieces De Clavecin" by Clark & Conon published in 2002 (128 pgs) - will need to get my hands on a copy!  :D

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2006/Dec06/Couperin_harpsichord_93082.jpg) (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2007/Feb07/Couperin_Harpsichord_93082.htm)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MXbvqNY9L._SL500_AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Handel-Complete-Harpsichord-Suites/dp/B001AZU0CW)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on December 07, 2008, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on December 06, 2008, 07:01:35 AM
Well, I've obtain a surfeit of French harpsichord music lately -  :o

[snip]
(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/431261535_CzULG-S.jpg)


A Pierre Hantaï recording is always attractive, and a new foray into the music of Couperin definitely merits attention!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 07, 2008, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: Bunny on December 07, 2008, 11:20:15 AM
A Pierre Hantaï recording is always attractive, and a new foray into the music of Couperin definitely merits attention!

Hi Bunny - I've listened to this disc a couple of times so far, excellent performance & sound - Jerry Dubins of Fanfare raved about this recording HERE (http://www.fanfarearchive.com/articles/atop/31_6/3160960.az_F_COUPERIN_Les_La.html?) - recommended as a great 'single disc' choice, if desired -  :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on December 08, 2008, 05:46:26 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on December 07, 2008, 01:58:15 PM
Hi Bunny - I've listened to this disc a couple of times so far, excellent performance & sound - Jerry Dubins of Fanfare raved about this recording HERE (http://www.fanfarearchive.com/articles/atop/31_6/3160960.az_F_COUPERIN_Les_La.html?) - recommended as a great 'single disc' choice, if desired -  :D

Thanks for the link, but as I am not a subscriber to Fanfare it is not accessible to me.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 08, 2008, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: Bunny on December 08, 2008, 05:46:26 AM
Thanks for the link, but as I am not a subscriber to Fanfare it is not accessible to me.

Sorry about that - must have linked from a computer that had my login info in a 'cookie' -  :-\

The Fanfare Review is reprinted on the ArkivMusic Site HERE (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=179042) - Dave  :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on December 08, 2008, 08:56:47 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on December 07, 2008, 01:58:15 PM
Hi Bunny - I've listened to this disc a couple of times so far, excellent performance & sound - Jerry Dubins of Fanfare raved about this recording HERE (http://www.fanfarearchive.com/articles/atop/31_6/3160960.az_F_COUPERIN_Les_La.html?) - recommended as a great 'single disc' choice, if desired -  :D

Thanks for the review!  Of course I am very interested in anything that Hantaï plays especially Couperin, however I believe the reviewer is overly sanguine if he expects more than 2 or 3 discs in the series.  Hantaï's Scarlatti series has languished after 3 releases which are now "discontinued by the manufacturer" so I am not overly optimistic about the scope of this latest project.  If (more likely when) I obtain this, it will be as a stand alone disc with no expectation of a complete set.  Thankfully, for complete sets I already have Rousset, Spieth, Borgstede and Baumont.

Meanwhile, I am reminded of another "stand alone" recording that is quite admirable by Mitzi Meyerson, an American living in Berlin.  A review from MusicWeb can be found at Arkivmusic (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=93806).

Mitzi Meyerson gives splendid performances. She is well aware of the character of every single piece and expresses their character eloquently. The use of 'notes inégales' is very subtle, as it should be, and accelerandos and rallentandos, which - according to Pierre Mamou in the programme notes - are features of the French taste, are used as means of expression. I wonder, though, why Ms Meyerson uses them in 'Les Tambourins' from Ordre 20, which Couperin specifically requires to be played "with even notes".

This is an exemplary production: some of the finest music Couperin has ever written, excellent performance and recording, a beautiful instrument - a harpsichord by Keith Hill, a copy of a Taskin from 1769 - and a booklet with informative programme notes. Every reason to recommend this disc.

-- Johan van Veen, MusicWeb International


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ECDR01ZML._SS400_.jpg)

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on December 09, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: Bunny on December 08, 2008, 08:56:47 AM
Thanks for the review!  Of course I am very interested in anything that Hantaï plays especially Couperin,

Then you could go back this thread a few pages. Hantai's Couperin disc was briefly discussed by Que and me some time ago, I was enthusiastic he was less so, but you'll find there links for two pieces from that disc that I've uploaded for sampling, so you don't really need reviews, just download and listen for yourself, much better way of deciding whether you want to invest in buying a CD or not.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on December 09, 2008, 01:15:46 PM
Drasko, thank you for bringing those files to my attention!  :-*

I believe I had listened to them when you first posted them but had forgotten them in the interim. I have also dragged out my recordings of Angela Hewitt's Couperin as well for comparison to Tharaud's Tic toc choc (delightful, btw!).  In fact, I am literally swimming in Couperin these days, with just a toe occasionally into l'eaux de Rameau. ;D

Apologies to all for my poor attempt at humor en français.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on December 09, 2008, 07:31:57 PM
Quote from: Bunny on December 05, 2008, 06:57:54 AM
I have the older recording but I've been considering the newer recording for a while; here's what I've learned about it: They are not the same recording; the the newer release does not include the transcription for harpsichord of La Chasse de Zäide (1739).  They are both available from amazon as mp3 downloads so you can sample the tracks for comparison.  It appears from the track samples that Rousset exercised more restraint in the ornamentation in the later recording which was made at the Musée de la Musique, Paris and it also has a drier accoustic.  Rousset used a Jean-Claude Goujon harpsichord modified by Jacques Joachim Swanen in 1784 from the collection of the Musée for the newer recording.  If I buy the second recording, it will be because of the instrument. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ClavecinGoujonSwanen.jpg/449px-ClavecinGoujonSwanen.jpg)

Thanks Bunny,

Sampling the tracks on Amazon are somewhat inconclusive (the clips are less than 30 seconds, they seem to have deleted their older (and better) 1-minute clips). Jpc offers better samples of the new recording but not of the 1993 one. Nevertheless, the newer Royer seems to have slightly brisker speeds for the fast pieces (the less pacy tracks are conversely played slower) and the harpsichord sounds more resonant. BTW, the harpsichord is an absolute beauty and would also be the primary reason I get the new recording.

Would also be very interested on how you rate the various Couperin integrales that you have Rousset, Baumont, Borgstede, Spieth. Although I have quite a few discs of Couperin's harpsichord music, the only complete set I have at present is the Spieth, which is absolutely magnificent. The Rousset 2-cd set is also delightful (the man is technically immaculate, even in his younger days!). I am much less convinced by the Baumont, which has a very lugubrious feel to it. Also technically, both Spieth and Rousset are much better. If only Skip Sempe would release a Couperin compilation on his new label...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on December 12, 2008, 06:15:04 AM
Quote from: Drasko on November 27, 2008, 10:17:12 AM
Whilst trying to get some order in my rather messy mediafire account I accidentally deleted the two Royer pieces featuring few posts above ::)
So, if anyone wants to hear them in future do PM me and I'll re-upload them.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=32f6b0385ab93f8d91b20cc0d07ba4d2850f8a529799f174
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on December 22, 2008, 02:54:25 PM
(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/57/598157.jpg)

I'm not particularly versed in French baroque cantatas, but nevertheless that won't stop me in thinking that Clerambault Orphee has to be one of the finest. Wonderfully expressive and dramatic piece for solo voice, violin, flute and continuo devided in four airs and four recitatives varing from lovely lyricism to contrasting heroic declamation. Unbelievably rich and evocative for under 20 minutes piece on what is quite hackneyed subject by now.
Coupled cantata L'Hyver by Boismortier is charming, tuneful and highly enjoyable piece though lighter in weight than Orphee despite its longer timing, rounding the disc are two instrumental pieces: one of Corrette's Concertos Comique (including his take on Les Sauvages) and short colorful suite from Boismortier's comedy-ballet Don Quichotte chez la Duchesse.
Gauvin and orchestra are both superb, and so is the recording. No idea how it compares with Piau's Orphee on Naxos but I'd still recommend it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on December 23, 2008, 07:29:40 AM
Re-post from listening thread:

Quote from: Drasko on December 23, 2008, 06:57:39 AM
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6872/alcouperinhb4.jpg)

The whole disc (which is very much out of print) seems available on youtube, though it sounds like LP sourced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6KC_EarlQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHwWDf7U1Jg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcgtFxNuQdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy9BXjdc7Lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR5-BZsx5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47u0pWxbsxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIEYsIfjI8o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsSU2dRgu-o

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 17, 2009, 03:14:52 AM
Spent some time lately with this new purchase, a 2CD set with all published harpsichord works:

(http://www.abeillemusique.com/images/references/asm001.jpg)

Samples HERE (http://www.abeillemusique.com/CD/Classique/ASM001/3760098120017/AS-Musique/Jacques-Champion-de-Chambonnieres/Les-Pieces-de-Clavessin/cleart-9350.html) (scroll down).

Earlier comment by Drasko:

Quote from: Drasko on January 14, 2009, 02:43:13 PM
de Chambonnieres is the first important french composer for harpsichord, granddaddy of french harpsichord music and at the same time scarcity of recordings is hard to believe. There are only three all Chambonneres discs that I heard of: that one, available only from french retailers for over 30 euros (for most people) and two out of print discs: Sempe on DHM (going for silly prices on amazon) and some female harpsicordist whose name escapes me now on some never heard of label.

Indeed, the music by Jacques Champion de Chambonnières (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Champion_de_Chambonni%C3%A8res) shows the origins of the great French harpsichord tradition. Champion worked during the reign of Louis XIII and thereafter, contemporary of Lully. He introduced Louis Couperin to the French court. As I understand it, musically the roots are to be found in the the French Lute tradition. And this is clearly felt in this music, which has a light, delicate and very flowing character. Also, in several instances in this set Olivier Baumont is accompanied by Claire Antonini on a theorbo or a lute.
Champion's music is more modest and perhaps less demanding than the works of the brilliant harpsichordist-composers that succeeded him, but very attractive in its own right and quite innovative for its age (the Livre Premier was published in 1670). Befriended Dutch poet, composer, scientist and diplomat Constantijn Huygens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantijn_Huygens) passed Champion's works to my beloved German composer Johann Jakob Froberger, and so all the pieces of the musical puzzle of Baroque harpsichord music fit together. :)

Oh, about the performance! :) Olivier Baumont does a wonderful job in the light, flowing approach this music needs. He plays an unidentified (marked "D.F." from the Collection Yannick Gaillou) late 17th century French harpsichord which is bright, but not too much and has a fresh, light clear sound. Beautifully recorded.

(http://homepage.mac.com/cyclopes1/images/df.jpg)

So all in all, for those with a particular interest in the French Baroque harpsichord tradition: strongly recommended! :)

(For whom am I writing this anyway? ::) Drasko is already au courant on this!  ;D Bunny, perhaps something for you? :) )

Q

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on January 17, 2009, 03:26:22 AM
Quote from: Que on January 17, 2009, 03:14:52 AM


(For whom am I writing this anyway? ::) Drasko is already au courant on this!  ;D Bunny, perhaps something for you? :) )

Q


You should know I'm in (even though I'm more into French baroque opera). But what's the label, and where to get it?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 17, 2009, 04:00:50 AM
Quote from: erato on January 17, 2009, 03:26:22 AM
You should know I'm in (even though I'm more into French baroque opera). But what's the label, and where to get it?

Ah! :) Yes, of course erato :D My apologies! - perhaps our numbers are fortunately not as insignificant as I imagined.  ;D

The label is tiny (know only of three issues) - AS Musique.
Availble at AbeilleMusique (see samples-link above), but also all other French sources including French Amazon (http://www.amazon.fr/Jacques-Champion-Chambonni%C3%A8res-Pi%C3%A8ces-clavessin/dp/B00015EL7M).

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 23, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
Anyone has listened to Elizabeth Jacquet de la Guerre? I bought a disc of some of her music (2 cantatas and a harpsichord suite). She was a favourite of King Louis XIV (Le Roi Soleil).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 23, 2009, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on January 23, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
Anyone has listened to Elizabeth Jacquet de la Guerre? I bought a disc of some of her music (2 cantatas and a harpsichord suite). She was a favourite of King Louis XIV (Le Roi Soleil).

Evening André - only have one disc of that composer (shown below), but quite good! Dave  :D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/247429125_XQLTt-M.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 23, 2009, 06:32:23 PM
Thanks, Dave! This is the disc I have:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61opSIm815L._SS500_.jpg)

Very flowery cover art - not exactly my type of artwork, but so what? This was part of a 3 for 10$ sale of ATMA discs. Other french baroque titles were on offer as well.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on January 23, 2009, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on January 23, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
Anyone has listened to Elizabeth Jacquet de la Guerre? I bought a disc of some of her music (2 cantatas and a harpsichord suite). She was a favourite of King Louis XIV (Le Roi Soleil).
If that is the disc on Alpha Productions, I have it and remember it to be good. Haven't played it for some time, though.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on February 17, 2009, 10:13:42 AM
Yesterday I read in IMDB the sad news about death of Guillaume Depardieu, son of Gérard Depardieu, who played the young Marin Marais in the French movie Tous les matins du monde (1991), mentioned many times in this forum.

Here a note from IMDB about his turbulent life:

Guillaume Jean Maxime Antoine Depardieu (7 April 1971, Paris, France-13 October 2008, Garches, France)

Brother of Julie Depardieu.

Son of Gérard Depardieu and Elisabeth Depardieu.

Father with his wife, actress Elise, of a daughter - Louise (b. January 2001).

16 September 2003 - Received a suspended 9-month prison sentence and a $9000 fine for threatening a man with a gun in Trouville, France.

Contracted an infection while being treated in an hospital for a leg-wound following a motorbike accident. The infection proved to be extremely resistant to antibiotics and, after almost 2 years in and out of treatment and a great deal of pain with no end in sight, he decided to have his leg amputated.

Died at the Garches hospital, France, on October 13 2008 (aged 37), after contracting severe pneumonia whilst filming on location in Romania.

Separated from his wife Elise in 2001.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on February 22, 2009, 12:43:43 AM
So, why do I like French harpsichord music so much? :o :D

I don't know where this addiction came from, but maybe it's the quirky, mysterious quality of it and the sophisticated dash that attracts me. A bit of otherworldliness.

Anyway, yet another composer came on my path: Nicolas Siret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Siret).

(http://www.qobuz.com/images/jaquettes/0002/0002894762542_600.jpg)

Siret was a contemporary, friend and admirer of François Couperin. And indeed his work is easily to relate to the work of Couperin. But more introvert and more traditional, still he has his own voice and the music has a "clean" freshness. Surprise here was Davitt Moroney, a harpsichordist that till now failed to convince me (in German repertoire - Bach). But this a very fine achievement indeed.

Samples HERE (http://musique.fnac.com/a1585635/Nicolas-Siret-Suites-de-clavecin-du-Second-Livre-CD-album) (Do not try the samples at Amazon, they sound horrendous!)

Maybe not a first priority when venturing into French harpsichord music, but a nice extra taste for the veterans amongst us - recommended! :)

The only nag is that this is only a selection from a previous issue of the complete keyboard works for harpsichord an organ (the last track here is on organ). After hearing this, I'd love to have that... :-\

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on February 22, 2009, 08:44:23 AM
"Otherworldliness"... probably it is the voice of a world condemned to disappear with the French Revolution. No more harpsichords, violas da gamba and all of these aristocratic things.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on February 22, 2009, 09:31:53 AM
Quote from: Antoine Marchand on February 22, 2009, 08:44:23 AM
"Otherworldliness"... probably it is the voice of a world condemned to disappear with the French Revolution. No more harpsichords, violas da gamba and all of these aristocratic things.
You're not related to Toon Koopman , are you? ;D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on February 22, 2009, 10:07:07 AM
Yes, I changed my name running away from Erato, dear erato  ;D.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on February 22, 2009, 12:01:09 PM
I have been working toward collecting the recordings of works by LeClair.  I probably have most of the CD's released by Chandos ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on March 25, 2009, 08:24:27 PM

Olivier Baumont's Dandrieu CD on Accord seems unavailable again. Browsing around, came across another Dandrieu recording by Betty Bruylants. Does anyone have an opinion on whether it's any good?

http://www.amazon.com/Dandrieu-Pi%C3%A8ces-pour-Clavecin-Jean-Francois/dp/B00008ZL7C

Also came across this set by Scott Ross.

http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Scarlatti-Danglebert-Scott-Ross/dp/B00006IWQB/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1238041156&sr=1-1

Of primary interest is his D'anglebert. I have Rousset's Decca integral and consider it exquisite. How does Scott Ross compare to him?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 25, 2009, 11:13:19 PM
Quote from: james66 on March 25, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
Olivier Baumont's Dandrieu CD on Accord seems unavailable again. Browsing around, came across another Dandrieu recording by Betty Bruylants. Does anyone have an opinion on whether it's any good?

Don't know Bruylants, but get the superb Baumont that is still available on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Pieces-de-Clavecin-Baumont/dp/B0002SZVVS). :)

QuoteAlso came across this set by Scott Ross.

Of primary interest is his D'anglebert. I have Rousset's Decca integral and consider it exquisite. How does Scott Ross compare to him?

Indeed a box set, and not a single disc as indicated by Amazon. I share your enthusiasm for Rousset's D'Anglebert and I prefer it to Ross', so would stick to that. :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on March 25, 2009, 11:45:54 PM

Thanks, Que.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on March 26, 2009, 01:38:17 AM

Que, the following link has two samples from Bruylants' Dandrieu.

http://www.coindumusicien.com/Lecoin/Coeur03/bruylants_anglais.html

Comparing them to the same pieces by Baumont (jpc), I find Bruylants the superior interpreter. Slower, more languid, more nuanced phrasing and the harpsichord more luscious sounding. Of course, this is only from samples lasting less than a minute.

Reviews are mixed, this site obviously giving a glowing one, but American Record Guide considered it very average, saying, from what I gathered, her playing lacked fluency and character. I think Repertoire gave it a 2 out of 10! Whereas Baumont's Dandrieu is considered a reference and was awarded some Choc Monde accolade.

What do you think?

Also, running time is 68 mins, while Baumont's is about 50 mins.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 26, 2009, 10:33:24 AM
Quote from: james66 on March 25, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
Of primary interest is his D'anglebert. I have Rousset's Decca integral and consider it exquisite. How does Scott Ross compare to him?


Hello James - just starting to add more harpsichord music to my collection in the last year or so, including the French composers; don't know if you already own or have heard the 2-CD set below of D'Anglebert w/ Elizabeth Farr; I've had this set for a while, but cannot compare to the other artists you list above - Fanfare had a great review (reason for my purchase) which is Reprinted HERE (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=205631&source=CLOFO); and of course the great Naxos savings!  :)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CeP2KOmuL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on March 26, 2009, 06:23:44 PM

Hi, and, yep, I purchased Farr's D'anglebert a few months ago on the strength of her superb 3-cd Byrd set (also on Naxos) and the exceptional price. I tried very much to like it but did not really succeed, and gave the set to a friend. She plays much too slow and, at least for me, the momentum is lost. Worse still, the lute harpsichord does not really suit D'anglebert's profusely ornamented music, making the pieces sound almost annoying (an example of a good lute harpsichord recording is Robert Hill's Bach transcriptions double CD). The minor suites played on harpsichord are better, but nowhere near the superb standard set by Rousset in his recording. Maybe that's why I didn't fancy Farr, because of comparison with Rousset.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a good and extremely value-for-money set, and the Fanfare review has great things to say about it. And quite a few reviews have criticised Rousset's D'anglebert as being too fast, clinical and relentless. I guess it's just a matter of taste and preference. On my part, I find Rousset, who always gives great importance to the tempo of the music while respecting the composer's intentions (sometimes too much), the more convincing interpreter. And he plays a glorious Rucker's original.

There are other recordings: Celine Frisch, I feel also fails to convince but it gets a superb recommendation from ClassicsToday; a 1990 recording by Arthur Haas which is greatly admired; Hank Knox, from the jpc samples I've heard, also seems very idiomatic.

And Farr's Byrd set is a definite must-have. Her use of the lute harpsichord in this recording, which suits these pieces very well, is exemplary and fully convincing.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 28, 2009, 12:09:44 AM
Quote from: james66 on March 26, 2009, 01:38:17 AM
Que, the following link has two samples from Bruylants' Dandrieu.

http://www.coindumusicien.com/Lecoin/Coeur03/bruylants_anglais.html

Comparing them to the same pieces by Baumont (jpc), I find Bruylants the superior interpreter. Slower, more languid, more nuanced phrasing and the harpsichord more luscious sounding. Of course, this is only from samples lasting less than a minute.

Reviews are mixed, this site obviously giving a glowing one, but American Record Guide considered it very average, saying, from what I gathered, her playing lacked fluency and character. I think Repertoire gave it a 2 out of 10! Whereas Baumont's Dandrieu is considered a reference and was awarded some Choc Monde accolade.

What do you think?

Also, running time is 68 mins, while Baumont's is about 50 mins.

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/4/8/3/0028947625384.jpg)  (http://www.coindumusicien.com/Lecoin/Coeur03/bruylants_cd.JPG)

Regarding the sound of the instruments, I think jpc's inferior sounds samples might have done injustice to the Baumont recording. His Benoist Stehlin harpsichord from 1750 sounds very fine to me: bright, deep and firm. Judged from the samples, I personally prefer Baumont's fleeter and stronger characterised playing.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on March 29, 2009, 07:15:36 AM
After seeing (and hearing) Tafelmusik in concert (Händel's Water Music and selections from Rameau's Dardanus) I picked up their recording of Dardanus which is excellent.  Anyone who is also a movie buff will recall the third track whose music, Tambourins I/II from Dardanus was used so effectively for the soundtrack of the Heath Ledger vehicle, Casanova

(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/55/505755.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on March 29, 2009, 08:52:01 AM
For French baroque music, I have recordings by Corrette, Rameau, Couperin and LeClair.  I also have no more than one or two CD's each by Marais and Lully.  Any suggestions as to what other French baroque composers I should be adding to my collection? 

This wiki link is pretty useful ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_composers
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on March 29, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Charpentier. Get the Naxos dics with Niquet for a cheap introduction, though there's plenty of essential discs on Erato/Warner, Glossa, Naive...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on March 29, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: erato on March 29, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Charpentier. Get the Naxos dics with Niquet for a cheap introduction, though there's plenty of essential discs on Erato/Warner, Glossa, Naive...

I actually do have a few CD's of Charpentier's works, which I forgot to mention.
Here is one I picked up last year ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6127TAKT8YL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on March 30, 2009, 02:26:44 AM
Quote from: Que on March 28, 2009, 12:09:44 AM
(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/4/8/3/0028947625384.jpg)  (http://www.coindumusicien.com/Lecoin/Coeur03/bruylants_cd.JPG)

Regarding the sound of the instruments, I think jpc's inferior sounds samples might have done injustice to the Baumont recording. His Benoist Stehlin harpsichord from 1750 sounds very fine to me: bright, deep and firm. Judged from the samples, I personally prefer Baumont's fleeter and stronger characterised playing.

Q

Thanks for the samples, Que. I listened to them repeatedly and concur with your assessment fully. What sounded harsh in the jpc samples sounds deep and resonant in the samples you provided, and the phrasing sounds much smoother as a result. Bruylants, however, comes of sounding diffuse and indistinct, and what seemed languid and nuanced now seems hesitatingly uncertain. Comparing La Plaintive, Baumont is actually fractionally slower, but his fluid playing gives the impression of speed without sacrificing poignancy.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bunny on March 30, 2009, 06:29:00 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on March 29, 2009, 10:03:06 AM
BTW, has Naxos completely stopped releasing SACD's?

Naxos announced that they were not releasing more SACDs a few years ago.  I believe it was shortly after the release of the Chants d'Auvergne by Veronique Gens.  The first volume is available as a hybrid but the second volume more recently released is only available in stereo.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 30, 2009, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: james66 on March 30, 2009, 02:26:44 AM
Thanks for the samples, Que. I listened to them repeatedly and concur with your assessment fully. What sounded harsh in the jpc samples sounds deep and resonant in the samples you provided, and the phrasing sounds much smoother as a result. Bruylants, however, comes of sounding diffuse and indistinct, and what seemed languid and nuanced now seems hesitatingly uncertain. Comparing La Plaintive, Baumont is actually fractionally slower, but his fluid playing gives the impression of speed without sacrificing poignancy.


My pleasure! :)
For some mysterious reason harpsichord music does very bad in ripped sound - my clips where in 320kbps/ 48,000 kHz.

Hope you'll enjoy the Baumont. :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: james66 on March 30, 2009, 08:31:30 PM

320kbps certainly explains the clarity, resonance and depth missing in the jpc samples. Even Amazon downloads are only 256kbps, I think. Baumont's playing has certainly grown on me, and I've been thinking of getting his Chambonnieres integral, possibly through Amazon downloads. I've also begun to appreciate his Couperin more, his somewhat Rococo approach giving a different dimension to the music. Hope to add the Dandrieu soon. Thanks again, Que.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on April 16, 2009, 01:13:12 AM
Couperin comes up quite a lot in this thread, but I haven't found yet any reference to this recording:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512DCZ8A3PL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

This basically instigated the Baroque avalanche that swept me away last year, via the 3rd Leçons de ténèbres, which recording by Sophie Daneman, Patricia Petibon, William Christie and Les Arts Florissants was included in that amazing box of golden treasure called 200 Years of music at Versailles. Hearing the third Leçons made me anxious to discover the first and third, and so I bought this disc.

The highlight remains the third, for me - where they sing together, those lovely voices entwining around each other. Beautiful though the first and second are, they don't quite reach those heights, I think.

After that, there was no stopping me. These two, Daneman and Petibon, became my keys to the Baroque doors, I suppose, and after that I just hunted around for anything they'd done in this line - a process which has continued and broadened in scope up to now.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on April 30, 2009, 12:57:09 PM
New issue!  :) (Original harpsichord transcriptions)

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/3/2/5/0822186001523.jpg) (http://musique.fnac.com/a2607257/Jean-Philippe-Rameau-Les-Indes-galantes-CD-album?Mn=-1&Ra=-29&To=0&Nu=2&Fr=0)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 02, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Another new issue that goes on the list! :)
It got highest ratings by Diapason and Télérama.
Mandrin and Les Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr have been previously recorded on Astrée.

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/7/8/1/3760135100187.jpg)

Read a "sort of translation" of the review by Télérama HERE (http://nl.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telerama.fr%2Fmusiques%2Flecons-de-tenebres-du-premier-jour-les-demoiselles-de-saint-cyr-dir-emmanuel-mandrin%2C41431.php&lp=fr_en&btnTrUrl=Vertalen).

A review on ClassiqueNews.com HERE (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classiquenews.com%2Fecouter%2Flire_article.aspx%3Farticle%3D2804%26identifiant%3D2009412BI6YW1YN0GUYBY4XCGATTZ6WF&lp=fr_en&btnTrUrl=Translate).

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 02, 2009, 05:37:20 AM
Quote from: Que on April 30, 2009, 12:57:09 PM
New issue!  :) (Original harpsichord transcriptions)

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/3/2/5/0822186001523.jpg) (http://musique.fnac.com/a2607257/Jean-Philippe-Rameau-Les-Indes-galantes-CD-album?Mn=-1&Ra=-29&To=0&Nu=2&Fr=0)

Q

Christophe Rousset made a number of recordings with Christopher Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music as well.  He is an excellent harpsichordist who once studied under Bob van Asperen.  A have a number of CD's by him, though they are not French baroque music ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on May 02, 2009, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: Que on May 02, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Another new issue that goes on the list! :)
It got highest ratings by Diapason and Télérama.
Mandrin and Les Demoiselles de Saint-Cyr have been previously recorded on Astrée.

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/7/8/1/3760135100187.jpg)

Read a "sort of translation" of the review by Télérama HERE (http://nl.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telerama.fr%2Fmusiques%2Flecons-de-tenebres-du-premier-jour-les-demoiselles-de-saint-cyr-dir-emmanuel-mandrin%2C41431.php&lp=fr_en&btnTrUrl=Vertalen).

A review on ClassiqueNews.com HERE (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classiquenews.com%2Fecouter%2Flire_article.aspx%3Farticle%3D2804%26identifiant%3D2009412BI6YW1YN0GUYBY4XCGATTZ6WF&lp=fr_en&btnTrUrl=Translate).

Les Demoiselles de St Cyr made a Clerambault CD that's included in the Chapelle Royale/Versailles 5 CD bargain box, in which they sing like angels. So this new one is definitely one to put on the list. Thanks for this, Que.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on May 02, 2009, 11:27:05 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61orgoKl17L._SS500_.jpg)

Davitt Moroney has made several French Baroque albums on his (own?) label Plectra Music, and this is just one of them. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 02, 2009, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: traverso on May 02, 2009, 11:27:05 AM
Davitt Moroney has made several French Baroque albums on his (own?) label Plectra Music, and this is just one of them. 

I have to admit to my regret that I was never aware of Plectra Music (http://www.plectra.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1) before! :o

Thanks! :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 02, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: traverso on May 02, 2009, 11:27:05 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61orgoKl17L._SS500_.jpg)

Davitt Moroney has made several French Baroque albums on his (own?) label Plectra Music, and this is just one of them. 

Just bookmarked this CD.  I need to significantly boost my collection of French baroque recordings ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 15, 2009, 06:51:29 PM
Here are a few of my recently purchased French baroque works ...

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 22, 2009, 04:59:24 AM
I have these Couperin'w keyboard works performed by Angela Hewitt on piano and they are quite nice ...

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 22, 2009, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 22, 2009, 04:59:24 AM
I have these Couperin'w keyboard works performed by Angela Hewitt on piano and they are quite nice ...

Hello Stuart - I also own those Hewitt discs and enjoy each; she seems to do quite well in this repertoire on the piano - and pretty much well received in the reviews, although some may quibble?  :D

More recently, I became interested in hearing these Couperin works on the harpsichord and picked up the Brilliant box set shown below w/ Michael Borgstede on the keyboard; 11 CDs by as usual a 'brilliant bargain'!

At the same time, I purchased a 'short' book (below, right) - The mirror of human life:  Reflections on Francois Couperin's Pieces de Clavecin by Jane Clark & Derek Connon (2002), which is delightful to read while listening to these works (did not do a thorough comparison but worth another attempt!); apparently, many of these pieces were portrayals of Couperin's times and the people he knew and pictured aurally in his works - not a great description but an inkling of 'bringing to life' these compositions!  Dave  :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/436292149_RgPxh-M.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/435176558_CDRz8-M.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 22, 2009, 03:48:45 PM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 22, 2009, 03:21:20 PM

More recently, I became interested in hearing these Couperin works on the harpsichord and picked up the Brilliant box set shown below w/ Michael Borgstede on the keyboard; 11 CDs by as usual a 'brilliant bargain'!

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/436292149_RgPxh-M.jpg)

I bought the same 11-CD Couperin harpsichord works set last year.  It was a delightful set, though I really did not know anything about Borgstede.  A gem that I really ran across is the following 40-CD set which includes probably all the Bach keyboard works recorded by the late Christiane Joccottet.  Most of her oirginal recordings are now OOP.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p63cCYYLL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Josquin des Prez on May 22, 2009, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 22, 2009, 03:21:20 PM
More recently, I became interested in hearing these Couperin works on the harpsichord and picked up the Brilliant box set shown below w/ Michael Borgstede on the keyboard; 11 CDs by as usual a 'brilliant bargain'!

If i were you i'd try looking for a copy of the Scott Ross recordings. Get the Rameau to since your at it. First rate french harpsichord playing.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 22, 2009, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 22, 2009, 05:22:01 PM
If i were you i'd try looking for a copy of the Scott Ross recordings. Get the Rameau to since your at it. First rate french harpsichord playing.

Thanks for the recommendations - pleased w/ the Couperin harpsichord recordings on Brilliant - great bargain, excellent performances, and great review on MusicWeb (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2007/Feb07/Couperin_Harpsichord_93082.htm); however, my Rameau harpsichord ownings are scant, so will certainly explore that area - not sure how available Scott Ross recordings are @ the moment, but would certainly be interested in his or others' suggestions - Dave  :)

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2006/Dec06/Couperin_harpsichord_93082.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 23, 2009, 01:56:15 AM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 22, 2009, 05:22:01 PM
If i were you i'd try looking for a copy of the Scott Ross recordings. Get the Rameau to since your at it. First rate french harpsichord playing.

One can always try but both sets are very much OOP.

Dave, for Rameau you need to look no further than Christophe Rousset.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 02:51:27 AM
Quote from: Que on May 23, 2009, 01:56:15 AM
One can always try but both sets are very much OOP.

Dave, for Rameau you need to look no further than Christophe Rousset.

Q

Indeed, I first came across Christophe Rousset on a CD where he played harpsichord with Christopher Hogwood (Bach Concertos for 4 Harpsichords) and went on to get a few more of his solo CD's.  He is an excellent harpsichordist ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 23, 2009, 08:35:05 AM
Quote from: Que on May 23, 2009, 01:56:15 AM
One can always try but both sets are very much OOP.

Dave, for Rameau you need to look no further than Christophe Rousset.


Q - thanks for the recommendation of Rousset in the Rameau works; I have this performer on a number of harpsichord discs (mainly JS Bach) and do enjoy him; will do some searching but not sure 'how' available this recording may be @ the moment?  :-\

But, in searching for Rameau on harpsichord (now & in the past), I've looked @ the 2 discs on Naxos w/ Rowland - great price and generally good reviews; more recently, I've also been reviewing the two recordings by Sohpie Yates on Chandos (one of the discs shown below); the Amazonians like both of her recordings of this music, the MusicWeb Reviewer (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Aug04/Rameau_CHAN0708.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Dec04/Rameau2.htm&usg=__JY0gJoz4mSeQh4JckVRVJDjxlKo=&h=298&w=300&sz=18&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=weQ7oduYWpp6RM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drameau%2Byates%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4DMUS_enUS315US204%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1) seems to prefer her playing & interpretations over those of Rousset, and Tom Moore from Fanfare makes the same preference (quoted below).

So, who is it to be?  Rousset, Rowland, or Yates (or someone else)?  Would appreciate any thoughts and opinions from all - thanks.  Dave  :D

QuoteI have had the pleasure of reviewing a string of discs from Sophie Yates here, and, like those with uniformly high marks, her Rameau is also a palpable hit. Elliott S. Hurwitt waxed enthusiastic about Gilbert Rowland's Rameau (for Naxos), but Rowland's efforts are not on Yates's level; too prosaic to my ears, not sufficiently French, and with ornaments from Rowland that sound unidiomatic. Rousset's set for Oiseau-Lyre (1991 ) is recommendable, but to my ears Yates is still preferable. Her tempos are well chosen, the music sings, the phrases breathe, there is poetry in the rise and fall, there is agogic emphasis, but within the context of an organic rhythm, her technique in the quicker movements is impeccable. The sound of her Goujon harpsichord ( 1749, in the Conservatoire National de Musique, Paris) is luscious. Would that some enterprising impresario would bring Yates to our shores on tour! Barring that, we can look forward to more inspired and inspiring discs. Warmly recommended.   Tom Moore

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Aug04/Rameau_CHAN0708.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on May 23, 2009, 08:51:10 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 23, 2009, 08:35:05 AMBut, in searching for Rameau on harpsichord (now & in the past), I've looked @ the 2 discs on Naxos w/ Rowland - great price and generally good reviews;

I have those two discs. I enjoy them a lot.  

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 23, 2009, 08:35:05 AM
Q - thanks for the recommendation of Rousset in the Rameau works; I have this performer on a number of harpsichord discs (mainly JS Bach) and do enjoy him; will do some searching but not sure 'how' available this recording may be @ the moment?  :-\

But, in searching for Rameau on harpsichord (now & in the past), I've looked @ the 2 discs on Naxos w/ Rowland - great price and generally good reviews; more recently, I've also been reviewing the two recordings by Sohpie Yates on Chandos (one of the discs shown below); the Amazonians like both of her recordings of this music, the MusicWeb Reviewer (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Aug04/Rameau_CHAN0708.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Dec04/Rameau2.htm&usg=__JY0gJoz4mSeQh4JckVRVJDjxlKo=&h=298&w=300&sz=18&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=weQ7oduYWpp6RM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drameau%2Byates%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4DMUS_enUS315US204%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1) seems to prefer her playing & interpretations over those of Rousset, and Tom Moore from Fanfare makes the same preference (quoted below).

So, who is it to be?  Rousset, Rowland, or Yates (or someone else)?  Would appreciate any thoughts and opinions from all - thanks.  Dave  :D

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Aug04/Rameau_CHAN0708.jpg)



I will get all of them.  I never limit myself to just a small handful of artists ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 23, 2009, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on May 23, 2009, 08:51:10 AM
I have those two discs. I enjoy them a lot.  


Poju - thanks for the comments on the Rowland discs - great price and some excellent reviews; sure that the recordings would please me; however, those Yates discs look enticing to me, despite their higher cost - hoping others will 'chime in' w/ some personal aural opinions on the latter - Dave  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 26, 2009, 03:07:50 AM
Quote from: Que on April 30, 2009, 12:57:09 PM
New issue!  :) (Original harpsichord transcriptions)

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Q

I have that transcription played by Beaumont on Adda (don't think it made to reisssue on Accord). If I'd to be nice I'd say that music is intermittently interesting, really dull to be frank. Nowhere near Rameau's dedicated clavecin output, there are many better ways to spend listening to hour of harpsichord music. Beaumont is admittedly not the most flamboyant of players (though I'm sure he does his best) so if anyone could put this tedium across it's Rousset with his bludgeoning flair, but it won't be going on my shopping list anyhow, to many more interesting stuff around.   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 26, 2009, 06:15:29 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 23, 2009, 08:35:05 AM
But, in searching for Rameau on harpsichord (now & in the past), I've looked @ the 2 discs on Naxos w/ Rowland - great price and generally good reviews;

As to Rowland´s two Rameau CDs I too enjoy them much. I find that he plays with a certain reflective "heavyness", not resulting in ponderousness but in more substantiality and interest.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Bulldog on May 26, 2009, 08:03:14 AM
My most recent acquisition of French harpsichord music comes from Skip Sempe on his very own Paradizo label.  It's a recital of music by Royer, Marchand, Duphly, Armand-Louis Couperin, Balbastre and Corrette.  Excellent disc.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 26, 2009, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 26, 2009, 08:03:14 AM
My most recent acquisition of French harpsichord music comes from Skip Sempe on his very own Paradizo label.  It's a recital of music by Royer, Marchand, Duphly, Armand-Louis Couperin, Balbastre and Corrette.  Excellent disc.

I have this nice CD but it is OOP ...



Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on May 29, 2009, 08:12:41 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 26, 2009, 05:30:36 PM
I have this nice CD but it is OOP ...

John Wall of the newolde fame is a fan of Skip Sempe.   At his webpage for Louis Couperin I found this miniature image of the first release of the cd above.  He calls it the best hpd recording he has heard.  Our premont has found this to be an odd bit of description though.  Nice Poussin on the original cover, in any case.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 31, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
Rameau, Jean-Phillipe - Harpsichord Pieces w/ Sophie Yates on 2 discs - these arrived several days ago, so now giving each a second listen this Sunday morning; and doing a little comparison w/ the only other disc of some of these works, i.e. Albert Fuller (1926-2007) on the Helicon label; unfortunately, I do not have recordings of some of the other considerations posted a page or so back in this thread.

Ms. Yates certainly meets the expectations of the reviews (links given previously; more short comments HERE (http://www.theclassicalshop.net/CD_Notes.asp?CNumber=CHAN%200659)) that I read before ordering these two discs.  First, I love the harpsichord that she is using, a copy by Andrew Garlick of a Goujon instrument dating from 1749; the sound is 'lighter' and just more delicate, not that she can't pound some dynamic playing on those strings when needed.  Her playing is assured, light and flowing when needed especially in the faster movements of these remarkably varied compositions.  The Chandos sound as expected is well done & 'up front' -  :D

Robert Fuller was an American pioneer in the early music movement and his credentials are impeccable; this is an older recording from 1987 (vs. 1999/2003 for Yates); Fuller's harpsichord was built by William Hyman and was designed after Francois Blanchet, a Parisian instrument builder around Rameau's period.  This harpsichord sounds different w/ fuller sonics and played beautifully by Fuller w/ great dynamics, but Yates 'keeps up' in that area - I was going to 'cull out' this disc from my collection, but after listening and also reviewing Fuller's story and that of the tragically 'short-lived' Hyman, a definite keeper for me.

Now I have not heard the other 'contenders' posted earlier in these works, i.e. Rousset or Rowland, and I'm sure their sounds & performances will similarly be different - I've really enjoyed Rousset in other performances that I own, so probably would in Rameau; the bottom line seems to be that there is some good Rameau harpsichord recordings from which to choose, and one recording or set may not be enough!  ;D


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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 31, 2009, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 31, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
Rameau, Jean-Phillipe - Harpsichord Pieces w/ Sophie Yates on 2 discs - these arrived several days ago, so now giving each a second listen this Sunday morning; and doing a little comparison w/ the only other disc of some of these works, i.e. Albert Fuller (1926-2007) on the Helicon label; unfortunately, I do not have recordings of some of the other considerations posted a page or so back in this thread.

Ms. Yates certainly meets the expectations of the reviews (links given previously; more short comments HERE (http://www.theclassicalshop.net/CD_Notes.asp?CNumber=CHAN%200659)) that I read before ordering these two discs.  First, I love the harpsichord that she is using, a copy by Andrew Garlick of a Goujon instrument dating from 1749; the sound is 'lighter' and just more delicate, not that she can't pound some dynamic playing on those strings when needed.  Her playing is assured, light and flowing when needed especially in the faster movements of these remarkably varied compositions.  The Chandos sound as expected is well done & 'up front' -  :D

Robert Fuller was an American pioneer in the early music movement and his credentials are impeccable; this is an older recording from 1987 (vs. 1999/2003 for Yates); Fuller's harpsichord was built by William Hyman and was designed after Francois Blanchet, a Parisian instrument builder around Rameau's period.  This harpsichord sounds different w/ fuller sonics and played beautifully by Fuller w/ great dynamics, but Yates 'keeps up' in that area - I was going to 'cull out' this disc from my collection, but after listening and also reviewing Fuller's story and that of the tragically 'short-lived' Hyman, a definite keeper for me.

Now I have not heard the other 'contenders' posted earlier in these works, i.e. Rousset or Rowland, and I'm sure their sounds & performances will similarly be different - I've really enjoyed Rousset in other performances that I own, so probably would in Rameau; the bottom line seems to be that there is some good Rameau harpsichord recordings from which to choose, and one recording or set may not be enough!  ;D


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Dave,  Very informative first review.  I am not familiar with Robert Fuller but really enjoy the few Christophe Rousset CD's I have.  As you probably know, Rousset was an associate of Christopher Hogwood and they performed in a number of recordings together ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on June 03, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
Quote from: SonicMan on May 22, 2009, 03:21:20 PM
At the same time, I purchased a 'short' book (below, right) - The mirror of human life:  Reflections on Francois Couperin's Pieces de Clavecin by Jane Clark & Derek Connon (2002), which is delightful to read while listening to these works (did not do a thorough comparison but worth another attempt!); apparently, many of these pieces were portrayals of Couperin's times and the people he knew and pictured aurally in his works - not a great description but an inkling of 'bringing to life' these compositions!  Dave  :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/435176558_CDRz8-M.jpg)

Dave, where did you find that book? I'd love to read it but it seems to be out of print everywhere I tried looking for it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 03, 2009, 03:54:37 PM
Quote from: Drasko on June 03, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
Dave, where did you find that book? I'd love to read it but it seems to be out of print everywhere I tried looking for it.

Hi Milos - glad that you returned!  :D

Below is my receipt for the book (still store in my Yahoo account) - Amazon Marketplace - not sure if the book is still available from them but has been just 6 months?  I need to do a complete 're-listening' in stages to try to better appreciate these pieces - hope that you can find it!  Dave   :)

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           Amazon Marketplace Receipt

Date:                07-December-2008

Order #:             058-2868525-4413157

        1 of The Mirror of Human Life: Reflections on Francois Couperin's
"Pieces De... $20.00
         
Seller:              rhinebeckrecords@frontiernet.net
Shipping & Handling: $3.99
Your Total:          $23.99
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on June 03, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
Thanks, Dave.

Unfortunately there are no more used copies offered through amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Human-Life-Reflections-Couperins/dp/1871775108

Managed to find publisher's website though, they publish mostly facsimil scores and the book isn't listed anywhere but I will try e-mailing them anyhow:
http://www.kings-music.co.uk/index.htm
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 03, 2009, 05:31:57 PM
Coop, what do you think of the Corrette Mass ?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on June 03, 2009, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on June 03, 2009, 05:31:57 PM
Coop, what do you think of the Corrette Mass ?

Are you referring to this CD I played last week?

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 03, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Yes, exactly! Any good?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on June 03, 2009, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on June 03, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Yes, exactly! Any good?

It is generally delightful organ works, though I found the organ works by Michel Corrette, Gaspard's son, are better.  BTW, some male vocalist, singing in the Gregorian chants fashion, accompanied the organ music ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Henk on June 04, 2009, 04:01:52 AM
Don't know if someone mentioned it yet but this 20-cd-box has been released recently:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kQEhha%2BIL.jpg)

A special website has been made for this set: http://www.baroqueboxset.com/
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on June 04, 2009, 06:29:14 AM
Quote from: Henk on June 04, 2009, 04:01:52 AM
Don't know if someone mentioned it yet but this 20-cd-box has been released recently:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kQEhha%2BIL.jpg)

A special website has been made for this set: http://www.baroqueboxset.com/

Singlehandedly, that box set turned me from being someone with no interest in Baroque music to someone whose passion for it can't be satisfied. It was the most rewarding CD box purchase I've made in the last ten years.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on June 04, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: Henk on June 04, 2009, 04:01:52 AM
Don't know if someone mentioned it yet but this 20-cd-box has been released recently:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kQEhha%2BIL.jpg)

A special website has been made for this set: http://www.baroqueboxset.com/

Does any GMG member currently own this set?  At $79, this set seems to offer excellent values if only the shipping from Europe to the US does not cost a fortune.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 04, 2009, 10:01:55 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on June 04, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Does any GMG member currently own this set?  At $79, this set seems to offer excellent values if only the shipping from Europe to the US does not cost a fortune.

If I were you I would go through the last couple pages of this thread.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on June 04, 2009, 11:42:02 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kQEhha%2BIL.jpg)

Quote from: Coopmv on June 04, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Does any GMG member currently own this set?

Yes (see the post before yours, above).

I've written something about it here in this forum:
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,4431.120.html (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,4431.120.html) (scroll down to post #133);

and also, very extensively, on another forum here:
http://www.talkclassical.com/3934-200-years-music-versailles.html (http://www.talkclassical.com/3934-200-years-music-versailles.html)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 09, 2009, 11:02:28 PM
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Though comparisons as these are tricky, conceptually this set of suites for viol (viola da gamba) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viol) by Sainte Colombe le Fils (http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/history/composers/11993.php) ("the younger") is similar to Bach's suites for cello: six unaccompanied solo suites, with movements based on dances. And it is wonderfull, very worthy, inward looking but inventive and touching music. Though Sainte Colombe had moved to England, this is very French music. Hard to describe - give it a listen (http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Sainte-Colombe-Fils-Pi%C3%A8ces/dp/B00009OOI9)! :)
As to the performace - thumbs up for Savall. Unlike in Marais there is no trace of the theatrics and aplomb he displays there. Here his approach is that of intense sobriety, this is the best Savall as a gambist I've heard - outclassing his Marais.

So, seriously recommended.
I believe this could/should be the cornerstone of any collection of gamba music.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: sTisTi on July 11, 2009, 06:21:33 AM
Quote from: Que on July 09, 2009, 11:02:28 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Xuj8AFBvL._SS500_.jpg)

Though comparisons as these are tricky, conceptually this set of suites for viol (viola da gamba) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viol) by Sainte Colombe le Fils (http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/history/composers/11993.php) ("the younger") is similar to Bach's suites for cello: six unaccompanied solo suites, with movements based on dances. And it is wonderfull, very worthy, inward looking but inventive and touching music. Though Sainte Colombe had moved to England, this is very French music. Hard to describe - give it a listen (http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Sainte-Colombe-Fils-Pi%C3%A8ces/dp/B00009OOI9)! :)
As to the performace - thumbs up for Savall. Unlike in Marais there is no trace of the theatrics and aplomb he displays there. Here his approach is that of intense sobriety, this is the best Savall as a gambist I've heard - outclassing his Marais.

So, seriously recommended.
I believe this could/should be the cornerstone of any collection of gamba music.

Thanks for the recommendation! Here's another serious contender in this repertoire that I enjoy very much: Paolo Pandolfo.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512K2D45WKL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on July 11, 2009, 06:23:27 AM
Quote from: Que on July 09, 2009, 11:02:28 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Xuj8AFBvL._SS500_.jpg)

Though comparisons as these are tricky, conceptually this set of suites for viol (viola da gamba) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viol) by Sainte Colombe le Fils (http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/history/composers/11993.php) ("the younger") is similar to Bach's suites for cello: six unaccompanied solo suites, with movements based on dances. And it is wonderfull, very worthy, inward looking but inventive and touching music. Though Sainte Colombe had moved to England, this is very French music. Hard to describe - give it a listen (http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Sainte-Colombe-Fils-Pi%C3%A8ces/dp/B00009OOI9)! :)
As to the performace - thumbs up for Savall. Unlike in Marais there is no trace of the theatrics and aplomb he displays there. Here his approach is that of intense sobriety, this is the best Savall as a gambist I've heard - outclassing his Marais.

So, seriously recommended.
I believe this could/should be the cornerstone of any collection of gamba music.

This has to be on my shopping list ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 11, 2009, 06:53:51 AM
Quote from: Que on July 09, 2009, 11:02:28 PM
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Que - I've had that recording for a while, and it is listed in my 'classical music' database printout, but I can't find it!   :o  Will keep lookin' this weekend & give it a spin - Dave  ;D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on July 11, 2009, 07:27:25 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on July 11, 2009, 06:53:51 AM
Que - I've had that recording for a while, and it is listed in my 'classical music' database printout, but I can't find it!   :o  Will keep lookin' this weekend & give it a spin - Dave  ;D

Dave, maybe you have it as part of this triple CD set with some Marais, and thus placed somewhere else on the shelves?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/AV9829.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 11, 2009, 07:41:12 AM
Quote from: sTisTi on July 11, 2009, 06:21:33 AM
Thanks for the recommendation! Here's another serious contender in this repertoire that I enjoy very much: Paolo Pandolfo.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512K2D45WKL._SS500_.jpg)

Did not know of that issue - looks great! :) Pandolfo is a super gamba player.
BTW is that Sainte Colombe sr.?


Quote from: Drasko on July 11, 2009, 07:27:25 AM
Dave, maybe you have it as part of this triple CD set with some Marais, and thus placed somewhere else on the shelves?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/AV9829.jpg)

I got it like that as well - great bargain!  :)  And just took out the Marais & Sainte Colombe (jr.) items, which are separately packaged like the regular issues.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on July 11, 2009, 07:53:57 AM
Quote from: Que on July 11, 2009, 07:41:12 AM
BTW is that Sainte Colombe sr.?

Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe in wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsieur_de_Sainte-Colombe)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on July 11, 2009, 09:27:52 AM
Another cornerstone in the Sainte-Colombe's discography are the 67 Concerts a deux violes esgales, contained in 4 double-CDs recorded on Atma and performed by "Les Voix Humaines" (Margaret Little and Susie Napper, bass viols).

"A natural son of Sainte-Colombe related that when his father played a Sarabande on his own fashion for a man who had come to hear him, the man was so moved that he fell in a swoon" (Pierre-Louis d'Aquin de Château-Lyon, Le Siecle Littéraire de Louis XV, 1754).

:)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on July 11, 2009, 09:49:42 AM
Georges de la Tour (1593-1652)

The Cheat with the Ace of Diamonds
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Fr.: Le Tricheur à l'as de carreau


Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 11, 2009, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Drasko on July 11, 2009, 07:27:25 AM
Dave, maybe you have it as part of this triple CD set with some Marais, and thus placed somewhere else on the shelves?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/AV9829.jpg)

Hi Milos - found the Sainte Colombe et Fils - mixed up in my 'small box sets' which need to be better organized; but thanks for the reminder on Marais - have yet to explore that composer!  :-\   Dave
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 11, 2009, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: masolino on July 11, 2009, 07:53:57 AM
Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe in wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsieur_de_Sainte-Colombe)

That's senior: Sainte Colombe "Le Père" (the father/ the elder).

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: FideLeo on July 11, 2009, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Que on July 11, 2009, 02:37:37 PM
That's senior: Sainte Colombe "Le Père" (the father/ the elder).

Q

That's right: "M. de Sainte-Colombe" refers only to the father.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on July 29, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
(http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/jpegs/034571174471.png)

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67447 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67447)

Don't miss this (extensive samples at the link above). If you don't act quickly it'll be gone. It's in Hyperion's 'Bottom Ten' sale, for £4.80 post free, and my guess is it won't be there after Friday, when they're likely to post another different ten.

It's Rameau, it's Carolyn Sampson, and it's gorgeous. I'm already impatient for my copy to arrive.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on July 30, 2009, 07:03:12 AM
Quote from: Elgarian on July 29, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
(http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/jpegs/034571174471.png)

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67447 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67447)

Don't miss this (extensive samples at the link above). If you don't act quickly it'll be gone. It's in Hyperion's 'Bottom Ten' sale, for £4.80 post free, and my guess is it won't be there after Friday, when they're likely to post another different ten.

It's Rameau, it's Carolyn Sampson, and it's gorgeous. I'm already impatient for my copy to arrive.

Thanks for the tip, ordered it. I've noticed the disc before but at full price wasn't really interested.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on July 30, 2009, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: Drasko on July 30, 2009, 07:03:12 AM
Thanks for the tip, ordered it. I've noticed the disc before but at full price wasn't really interested.

At half the list price, many me-too recordings will suddenly become attractive ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on August 07, 2009, 12:48:25 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I tell you now: if you missed this when it was at bargain price a few days ago, you've missed a treat. Now I know it exists, and now that I've listened to it, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one at full price. She sings ravishingly well. Heck, I'm not a Rameau expert, nor an expert on the French language, but she sings these wonderfully tuneful plums of Rameau's with total conviction and wonderful sensitivity. I'd never have thought she wasn't French just by listening - this recording simply oozes eighteenth-century Frenchness. Hard to say for sure after just one listening, but this could easily become a favourite collection.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 07, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: Elgarian on August 07, 2009, 12:48:25 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, I tell you now: if you missed this when it was at bargain price a few days ago, you've missed a treat. Now I know it exists, and now that I've listened to it, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one at full price. She sings ravishingly well. Heck, I'm not a Rameau expert, nor an expert on the French language, but she sings these wonderfully tuneful plums of Rameau's with total conviction and wonderful sensitivity. I'd never have thought she wasn't French just by listening - this recording simply oozes eighteenth-century Frenchness. Hard to say for sure after just one listening, but this could easily become a favourite collection.

Elgarian, this is something that might interest you:

Quote from: Que on April 17, 2008, 12:22:37 AM
A gorgeous sounding collection of viol music, purely instrumental or as accompaniment in songs, from the early French Baroque (during the reign of Louis XIII).  Instrumental works by: Louis Couperin, Du Mont, Métru, Moulinié, Vallet, Le Jeune, Du Caurroy and Roberday. Songs by: Boesset, Guédron, Thibaud de Courville, Cadéac, Le Jeune and Du Mont.

(http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/7/1/6/3760009290617.jpg) (http://www.aeolus-music.com/var/shop_site/storage/images/more/awards/diapason_d_or/481-4-eng-GB/diapason_d_or_small.gif)

This disc - that I got as a bargain - pleasantly surprised me. I'm somewhat prejudiced against "hotchpotch" programming, but in this case it is a major strength of the recording. A superb disc for which I have nothing but praise. The ensemble L' Amoroso, consisting of three viols and a violin, accompanied by a theorbo, lute, harpsichord or organ is topnotch - what exquisite music making! And beautifully recorded. More praise for soprano Caroline Pelon: beautiful voice and very idiomatic singing - she effectively projects the emotions in the texts (which are fortunately provided with translations). Music is of excellent quality and here plays the intelligent programming a major role: the mix of instrumental music and songs of different but related composers makes for very varied and interesting listening. Add to that superb performances and we have a winner. Strongly recommended.  :)


Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on August 08, 2009, 12:08:53 AM
Thanks for this Que. Speaking purely of personal preference this is a little early for me (I'm more of a Francois Couperin fan than a Louis), but those extracts do sound very lovely. I'll keep an eye open for a bargain copy.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on September 10, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: Drasko on September 10, 2009, 06:41:54 AM
In which case don't miss Armide, still my favorite Lully tragedie en musique. But avoid the truncated Naxos recording, Herreweghe on HM is the way to go.
Thanks for this - recommendation noted and added to my list.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on September 12, 2009, 09:32:43 AM
Quoting this here for safe keeping - many thanks to Drasko for his elaborate review/response!! :)

Q

Quote from: Drasko on September 12, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
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It's very good. Main item on the menu is Lisle de Delos, half an hour long full blown Regency Italianate cantata on Arcadian themes with arias being da capo, richly scored orchestral interludes, one bouncy Muzette being quite catchy, and often obbligato accompaniment to the arias (particularly beautiful Simphonie de Rossignol where obbligato flute is imitating nightingale in aria about Philomela). Maybe not tremendously profound but very beautiful piece definitely worth of repeated attention.
Second piece on the disc is the least interesting. Harpsichord suite is from much earlier period in Mlle La Guerre career (1687 as opposed to 1716 for Lisle de Delos) and it is in style of Chambonnieres and Louis Couperin, comprised of standard dance movements but seriously lacking in memorability, or maybe it's Mlle Soly's playing, or probably both.
Third piece, Jonas, is something of curiosity - a sacred cantata, rara avis in french baroque, Mlle La Guerre wrote a dozen around beginning of 18th century and this is one of them. Symphonie is more moderate (violin, bass viol, harpsichord and positiv organ) and it's almost half shorter than Lisle. This one is in standard Recitatif-Air (x4) form with instumental prelude and one interlude depicting the tempest. Less melodic and overtly beautiful than secular one but far more dramatic and narrative driven, makes very good contrast to the main course.
With high lying soprano of Isabelle Desrorchers you're probably familiar, at least from Delalande's Lecons des Tenebres. Orchestral playing is excellent, especially flute in Lisle and violin in Jonas. Recording quality is good, booklet gives full texts and english translation, article on mlle La Guerre but nothing on the music itself.
   

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on September 12, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
This is still on my shopping list and should be in my collection by the end of this year.  While the set is now available stateside, I will buy it from MDT, which has better price even after shipping ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kQEhha%2BIL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on September 15, 2009, 08:11:37 AM
This year is 30th anniversary of Les Arts Florissants and their discography is large enough that hoping French baroque fan could have expected some serious goodness (nicely boxed, at reduced prices naturally).
And here is with what Virgin has treated us ...

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/6871920.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6871920.htm

... single disc of excerpts :P

Not to look stupid next to competition Warner/Erato comes up with 6 CD box set, of bloody excerpts :o Who on earth is going to buy that?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/2564686863.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//2564686863.htm

Harmonia Mundi is at least reissuing some classic recordings as Lully's Atys or some Monteverdi and Gesualdo, few more wouldn't hurt though.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Elgarian on September 15, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Drasko on September 15, 2009, 08:11:37 AM
This year is 30th anniversary of Les Arts Florissants and their discography is large enough that hoping French baroque fan could have expected some serious goodness (nicely boxed, at reduced prices naturally) ...
Not to look stupid next to competition Warner/Erato comes up with 6 CD box set, of bloody excerpts :o Who on earth is going to buy that?

Oh, how disappointing. I agree, Drasko - what is the point of this? Who's going to be interested in buying large quantities of bits like this?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on September 15, 2009, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Drasko on September 15, 2009, 08:11:37 AM
This year is 30th anniversary of Les Arts Florissants and their discography is large enough that hoping French baroque fan could have expected some serious goodness (nicely boxed, at reduced prices naturally).
And here is with what Virgin has treated us ...

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/6871920.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6871920.htm

... single disc of excerpts :P

Not to look stupid next to competition Warner/Erato comes up with 6 CD box set, of bloody excerpts :o Who on earth is going to buy that?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/2564686863.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//2564686863.htm

Harmonia Mundi is at least reissuing some classic recordings as Lully's Atys or some Monteverdi and Gesualdo, few more wouldn't hurt though.

I only bought excerpts when I first got into classical music and did not know any better - remember those favorite tunes?  I only buy the whole works and in fact do not even like CD's that feature works of more than one composer ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 14, 2009, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: Harry on October 13, 2009, 12:41:02 AM
And to make matters even more difficult for Que, I am now playing the fourth disc of this set, and what can I say, I am salivating..... ;D Don't even look further if you desire works from Marais, this is the set to have to hold to cherish, no doubt about it.

(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9.0;attach=21285;image)

Yes, you're making it very hard to resist, Harry! :)

It was fl.traverso who had put me on the trail of these performances. Jean-Louis Charbonnier and his Ensemble Marin Marais (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/fmad/marin-marais.htm) have just completed a series of all of Marais' viol music (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/fmad/disques_ebmm.htm) - a huge project amounting to 21 discs!  :o - with a new issue on the French label Ligia. I believe he continued the series there after Pierre Verany became temporarily defunct, after which it was revived by being taken over by Arion.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Harry on October 14, 2009, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Que on October 14, 2009, 12:22:21 AM
Yes, you're making it very hard to resist, Harry! :)

It was fl.traverso who had put me on the trail of these performances. Jean-Louis Charbonnier and his Ensemble Marin Marais (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/fmad/marin-marais.htm) have just completed a series of all of Marais' viol music (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/fmad/disques_ebmm.htm) - a huge project amounting to 21 discs!  :o - with a new issue on the French label Ligia. I believe he continued the series there after Pierre Verany became temporarily defunct, after which it was revived by being taken over by Arion.

Q

Well I have to save my pennies, for I certainly am going to order all the missing cd's of his music.
Thank you for the link Que. I cannot resist!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 14, 2009, 02:16:09 AM
Quote from: Harry on October 14, 2009, 12:35:24 AM
Well I have to save my pennies, for I certainly am going to order all the missing cd's of his music.
Thank you for the link Que. I cannot resist!


My hope is that Pierre Verany will reissue some more as a box set. Or that both companies will cooperate in issuing a complete set - now, that would be someting! :)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DC3ptGqpL.jpg)

Bought this set of Sainte-Colombe Sr. (le Père) a while ago. (See my comments on Savall's set of music by Sainte-Colombe Jr. (le Fils) HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg330953.html#msg330953)). Another recommendation of fl.traverso. This is a marvelous disc. This has not the late-Baroque sophistication and the infusion of non-French stylistics of his son's music or the introvert poetry of Marais. But it has something else: an appealing, upbeat freshness and simple elegance with some clear reminiscent-Rennaissance flavours. Sainte-Colombe proofs himself an heir to the French lute tradition, which made a transition into viol music. Very nice accompaniment by Thomas Boysen on theorbo and baroque guitar. Paolo Pandolfo is one of my favourite gamba players: sober and focused, but quite expressive without overstating - something which Savall is occasionally prone to, though I'd recommend his Sainte-Colombe Jr. set unreservedly: Savall's finest achievement as a gambist from what I've heard so far.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: cmbvjc on November 02, 2009, 04:55:56 AM
The Editions du Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles have just published another musical work of Nicolas Bernier, one of the most important composers of the French Court at the end of the 17th and the beginning of the 18th century, along with Lalande and Campra. This new publication is part of a project for the reconstitution and the publication of the 18th grands motets of the composer already preserved.

Written in the beginning of the 18th century, the music of Benedic anima mea Domino, from psalm 103, is incompletely preserved: we only know the parts for the dessus (violins and woodwinds), the basses, the choir and the vocal soloists. The Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles began the large task of restoring the lost inner parts of the orchestra, beginning with a study of the style of the composer, the knowledge of practices current in the period and analysis of the scores. Then, the majestic French grand motet finds again its characteristic colour of the five part orchestra. This beautiful motet, composed on the model established by Lalande, linking short musical passages of symphonies, solo, duets and choirs to be as near as possible to the feeling of the text.

See extracts and details at: http://editions.cmbv.fr/achat/produit_details.php?id=873&langue=en (http://editions.cmbv.fr/achat/produit_details.php?id=873&langue=en)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on December 23, 2009, 02:49:35 AM
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/08/ciu/90/a8/73c9c27a02a0e892f6f99110.L.jpg)

This was a recent amazing bargain at jpc, the special offer was unfortunately shortlived...

Since this is my first recording of this music, little did I know why the cover only says "Forqueray", no surname. These are adaptations by Jean-Baptiste Forqueray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Forqueray) of viol music by his father, Antoine Forqueray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Forqueray). Here is the story, quoted from "La folia" (http://www.lafolia.com/archive/covell/covell200807pieces3.html) (reviews the set by Blandine Rannou).

There's a fascinating story behind these Forqueray Pièces. The father, "the world's greatest viol player," so feared his son's abilities that he had him imprisoned and briefly exiled! Two years after le Père's death, le Fils published a handful of his father's pieces scored for viol and continuo and a parallel collection arranged for clavecin alone. Forqueray Jr. slipped in a few of his own and though we know which ones, stylistically the generations are indistinguishable. Typical of the day, many honor colleagues: La Rameau, La Forqueray, La Couperin, La Leclair, La Laborde, La du Breüil, La Marella, etc., whereas other titles remain obscure. Betraying their viol origins, these pièces de clavecin hug the harpsichord's tenor region, the high tones of the Second suite's Italianate La Leclair a sparkling exception.

This is interesting music, sounding nicely dark - probably due to use of the lower register - and unconventional, wayward. As far as I can judge from this one recording, the music suits Le Gaillard's steady, robust, appropriately "digging" approach. This is also a first for me as far as Le Gaillard is concerned: a good, solid harpsichordist, who seems to play it "as it is". Reminds me a bit of the style of Noelle Spieth, though more (also figuratively  8)) masculine.

Le Gallaird plays no less than three harpsichords: a Goujon-Swanen, a Ruckers-Taskin and a Ruckers-Dubois. Although the recording from 1982 lacks the sonic "bloom" of harpsichord recordings from the late '90s onwards, it's very nice: rich but not too spacious.

I'm curious what Blandine Rannou (Zig Zag) and Christophe Rousset (Decca) make of this music! :o Any comments? :) (Some comments seem to suggest that Rousset went over the top a bit on that issue - see HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Feb02/Forquerey.htm))

Q



Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on December 26, 2009, 08:09:29 AM
Quote from: Que on December 23, 2009, 02:49:35 AM

I'm curious what Blandine Rannou (Zig Zag) and Christophe Rousset (Decca) make of this music! :o Any comments? :) (Some comments seem to suggest that Rousset went over the top a bit on that issue - see HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Feb02/Forquerey.htm))


Haven't heard Rannou disc so I don't know how she sounds in studio on Ruckers-Hemsch but I have heard her play Forqueray live (on new local made instrument) and she was wonderful, rich, beautifully shaped on the languid side. Try clips on Zig-Zag site.

Not familiar with Rousset, but am fond of Leonhardt's disc on Sony Vivarte, which is somewhat of a surprise because generally I'm not so keen on Leonhardt in french repertoire post Couperin. I guess relative lack of theatricality in Forqueray transcriptions, usually inherent to a some degree in french mid 18th century harpsichord music, works into Leonhardt's strengths. Here is one piece for sample (Suite in D, La Régent):
http://www.mediafire.com/?lngjng4qztl
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 31, 2010, 01:10:34 AM
Bump! 8)

(http://www.cd-baroque.com/var/cdbaroque/storage/images/accueil/disques_k617/catalogue/les_raretes_de_k617/grands_et_petits_motets/2738-1-fre-FR/grands_et_petits_motets.jpg)

A nice disc of music by Jean Gilles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Gilles_(composer)). Gilles was based in Aix-en-Provence and not a court composer. His style reflects that IMO, less polished and technically elaborate, more straightforward. It's original (in instrumentation for instance) and refreshing. A Drasko recommendation.  :) The perfomance by Les Festes d'Orphée - from what I gather from the booklet an ad hoc ensemble - is less polished as well and I'm sorry to say that the solos in the petits motets are taxing the soprano - a choir member - somewhat beyond her capabilities. ::)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on January 31, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: Que on January 31, 2010, 01:10:34 AM
A nice disc of music by Jean Gilles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Gilles_(composer)) ....

Yes, nice. If I recall my impressions were similar to yours.

These days I've been listening to Niquet's disc of Campra grand motets, fine stuff, and which mostly confirms my previous view of Campra. Highly skilled and polished composer, superbly virtuosic writing, no rough edges. Probably with most acute feel for color among preramiste composers, and most adventurous use of it - interplay between haute-contre and bassoons in Vinete et videte of Deus Noster Refugium is nothing short of genius. But exactly there lies slight problem I have with Campra, his timbrally oriented style isn't that strong on melody and even after more than half dozen plays during last few days I can't really hum anything ( for instance with that Gilles disc above I was singing along Qui percussit ... Et occidit reges fortes before motet (Laudate nomen domini) was even over). Same lack of memorability with Campra I experienced with Christie disc of motets and to a lesser degree with opera-ballet L'Europe Galante, which almost paradoxically contains one of my absolute favorite french baroque arias Paisibles lieux, but which was actually written by Campra's student Andre Destouches. But then again Campra's motets are extremely fine music, not everything has to be hummable. Performance on Niquet disc is first rate - Gens, Fouchecourt, Lamy, Harvey all excellent, sound is fine but I wouldn't mind stronger presence in choral passages.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JQH83M5VL.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on February 01, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
Long-time experience with french music publications has led me to expect exactly what Drasko is getting at: Campra is a 'learned' composer, whereas Gilles is an 'instinctive' one. Of course, Campra also has sensitivity (affect), but that doesn't readily translate into a readily recognizable idiom. Conversely, Gilles is no slouch in terms of savoir-faire and sophistication, but his music is immediate in musical appeal and emotionally heartfelt. Kind of a 40/60 vs 60/40 situation. The difference is objectively apparent, but subjectively conducive of personal preferences.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 13, 2010, 10:28:10 AM
François Couperin – 4 Livres de pièces de clavecin. Complete Harpsichord Music
Michael Borgstede (harpsichord)
Brilliant Classics

This 11-CD set has been a delightful surprise. I was waiting "competent" performances of these works, but IMO Borgstede is among the best interpreters of Couperin.

I know some people will prefer a more intimate, melancholic or disenchanted Couperin -like Baumont, for instance-, but these performances are absolutely first-rate, being a perfect demonstration of Borgstede's ideas as a performer: "He always strives for an interpretation full of contrast and drama which does justice to the rhetoric and affect of baroque music".

Listened to the first three discs (all played on his own big, red, heavy and very beautiful harpsichord built by Titus Crijnen in 1998, after an instrument from 1638), I'm pleased not just for the variety of every piece, but also for certain sensuality, even some drowsy frivolity evocative of worldly pleasures, so closely related in my mind to the French Baroque. 

From the tiny, but interesting booklet by Borgstede himself:

[The titles (of the different pieces)]
"... Couperin is a sharp observer of his time, and a sometimes critical, but more often fondly amused, portraitist of the foibles of his contemporaries... he was not always the grumpy hypochondriac of the late orders, venting his misanthropy through introverted and melancholy music. In fact, refreshing sense of humor is to be found throughout his earlier work; without it falling into the merely trivial. The following examples offer a peek into this fascinating world of hidden meanings
...
"In La Bourbonnoise (1ére Ordre) the Duchese de Bourbon is portrayed with her customary joie de vivre. She could drink any man under the table, and wrote amusing and naughty verses.
...
"The amazing La Ménetou (7iéme Ordre) conceals a further surprise. It is a portrait of Charlotte de Ménethoud, who featured in many satirical poems, such as the one which ends: at fourteen she is more of a whore than her mother was".

:)

Here a review on MUSICWEB (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2007/Feb07/Couperin_Harpsichord_93082.htm) by Johan van Veen.

Here SOME SAMPLES (http://www.michaelborgstede.com/pageID_2080828.html).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on March 13, 2010, 10:34:33 AM
This set is a beauty, and one of the best of Brilliant's own efforts. I particularly love the instrument and the beautiful, mellow sound.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 13, 2010, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: erato on March 13, 2010, 10:34:33 AM
This set is a beauty, and one of the best of Brilliant's own efforts. I particularly love the instrument and the beautiful, mellow sound.

My own feelings until now... those two harpsichords are really beautiful.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 13, 2010, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: Antoine Marchand on March 13, 2010, 10:28:10 AM
François Couperin – 4 Livres de pièces de clavecin. Complete Harpsichord Music
Michael Borgstede (harpsichord)
Brilliant Classics


Antoine - I bought that set a year or so ago and can only agree w/ the comments offered - excellent!

In addition, I was able to find a copy of the 'little' book pictured below (can't remember where at the moment) - but contains a nice introduction to Couperin, and brief essays on each of the pieces - meanings, jokes, portrayals of people, etc. - I did not go through EVERY one while listening to the CDs but many were quite instructive and comical - Dave  :D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/CouperinBook/435176558_CDRz8-M.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on March 13, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: erato on March 13, 2010, 10:34:33 AM
This set is a beauty, and one of the best of Brilliant's own efforts. I particularly love the instrument and the beautiful, mellow sound.

I bought this 11-CD Couperin set a few years ago.  It is excellent value for the price ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 13, 2010, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on March 13, 2010, 10:59:05 AM
In addition, I was able to find a copy of the 'little' book pictured below (can't remember where at the moment) - but contains a nice introduction to Couperin, and brief essays on each of the pieces - meanings, jokes, portrayals of people, etc. - I did not go through EVERY one while listening to the CDs but many were quite instructive and comical - Dave  :D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/CouperinBook/435176558_CDRz8-M.jpg)

Excellent info, Dave. That book is quoted by Borgstede in his liner notes and it seems an excellent complement to the music. I will see if I am able to find a copy.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on March 13, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
Quote from: Antoine Marchand on March 13, 2010, 11:06:15 AM
Excellent info, Dave. That book is quoted by Borgstede in his liner notes and it seems an excellent complement to the music. I will see if I am able to find a copy.  :)

I was looking for that book when Dave first mentioned it but it was unavailable from all online sources I tried. Finally I managed to buy a copy directly from publisher (10 pounds was the price I think). I'm not sure even if that publishing company exists anymore but I'll try to dig out the email address for you if you want.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 13, 2010, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: Drasko on March 13, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
I was looking for that book when Dave first mentioned it but it was unavailable from all online sources I tried. Finally I managed to buy a copy directly from publisher (10 pounds was the price I think). I'm not sure even if that publishing company exists anymore but I'll try to dig out the email address for you if you want.

Hello Milos - yes, I did mention the book last year when I acquired both it & the CD box set - from the inside of the book, this LINK (http://www.janiculum.co.uk/books/books.html) may be of help for those interested?  Dave  :D

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on March 13, 2010, 01:49:11 PM
Quote from: SonicMan on March 13, 2010, 01:17:47 PM
Hello Milos - yes, I did mention the book last year when I acquired both it & the CD box set - from the inside of the book, this LINK (http://www.janiculum.co.uk/books/books.html) may be of help for those interested?  Dave  :D

Yes, he can use that site (www.kings-music.co.uk) to contact them. I sent email to contact address given by that site, then got reply days later from some completely different guy (to whom they probably forwarded my inquiry) saying they have only few copies left and that price is £10 + postage, then I passed his email address to a friend in England who made the actual purchase for me (because £10 is under some minimal limit for bank transfers from out of Serbia, or something like that). Whew, that seems complicated.

Anyway, Antoine you can use contact address given there and if you don't get response from them I'll give you email address of the actual guy who replied to me.     
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on April 21, 2010, 06:12:19 AM
Does anyone have an opinion/preference for any of the available recordings of Francois Couperin's Pieces de Violes. Savall on Astree is out of print, but there are at least five available recordings out there:

Philippe Pierlot on Mirare (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00166GMI6)

Nima Ben David on Alpha (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Alpha/ALPHA007)

Mieneke van der Velden on Channel Classics (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Channel/CCS18398)

Lorenz Duftschmid on Pan (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00068B8N4)

Markku Luolajan-Mikkola on Avie (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000XJ144E)

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: sTisTi on April 21, 2010, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: Drasko on April 21, 2010, 06:12:19 AM
Does anyone have an opinion/preference for any of the available recordings of Francois Couperin's Pieces de Violes. Savall on Astree is out of print, but there are at least five available recordings out there:

Philippe Pierlot on Mirare (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00166GMI6)

Nima Ben David on Alpha (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Alpha/ALPHA007)

Mieneke van der Velden on Channel Classics (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Channel/CCS18398)

Lorenz Duftschmid on Pan (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00068B8N4)

Markku Luolajan-Mikkola on Avie (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000XJ144E)

Any thoughts?
I asked myself the same question a few months ago and ended up with Nima Ben David on Alpha. I listened to lots of samples on Amazon and jpc and found the harpsichord continuo too intrusive on some of the other CDs you mentioned (can't remember on which, sorry), sometimes drowning the Viola da Gamba. Nima Ben David's players employ the theorbe and baroque guitar instead of the harpsichord in some movements and I found that preferable.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on April 21, 2010, 11:48:53 AM
Quote from: sTisTi on April 21, 2010, 09:38:21 AM
I asked myself the same question a few months ago and ended up with Nima Ben David on Alpha. I listened to lots of samples on Amazon and jpc and found the harpsichord continuo too intrusive on some of the other CDs you mentioned (can't remember on which, sorry), sometimes drowning the Viola da Gamba. Nima Ben David's players employ the theorbe and baroque guitar instead of the harpsichord in some movements and I found that preferable.

Très interesting, thanks! I just spent some time on jpc.de comparing clips (before reading your post) and came to similar conclusion.
Didn't like the sound of Finn's instrument, van der Velden is the one I thought drowning in sound of harpsichord. Kuijken on Accent seems fine but somewhat business-like and under inflected.
The ones I liked were Duftschmid, bit heavy, nicely shaped with particularly dark sounding gamba, but availability and full price pretty much rules it out.
So my choice will be probably between Pierlot (touch fast, but mostly very fine) and Ben David whose phrasing I really liked, especially that opening of Allemande legere, only thing about which I'm not sure about Ben David is I felt she is bit too bouncy, her rhythms seem very sprung in what is predominantly melancholic music, but that is difficult to judge from short clips. Anyhow, I too am leaning toward Ben David.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on July 01, 2010, 12:41:06 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41MiCpL4roL.jpg)

One of the discs can be streamed here (for about a week I think):

http://www.radio4.nl/page/plaatpaal
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 15, 2010, 02:05:01 AM
A French composer new to me! :) François D'Agincour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_d'Agincourt) (1684-1758) was a pupil of Nicolas-Antoine Lebègue, who was also François Couperin's teacher, and of Jacques Boyvin. D'Agincour in his turn taught one of the last French harpsichord composers, Jacques Duphly. This listing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_baroque_harpsichordists) of the composers of the French harpsichord tradition might be helpfull. Hervé Niquet laments in the booklets the neglect for D'Agincour's music, being pigeon holed in musical history as conservative and an insignificant transitional figure. Niquet finds D'Agincour's music of great quality and indeed sees innovations, be it more subtle and perhaps less apparent, despite the adherence to tradition. I'm inclined to agree with Niquet: D'Agincour write in a traditional frames but innovates by ways of added virtuosic elaborations, rhythmic diversity and a more lightweight forward flow in the music. This is music of excellent quality, too good to be overlooked.

(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005BF6L.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

This disc with pièces d'orgue actually contains a French organ mass - organ pieces alternated with plainchant - after the model created by Guillaume-Gabriel Nivers, founding father of the French organ tradition. Most of the used plainchant is by Nivers himself, next to some of later anonymous origin and the plainchant for the Offertoire is by Jean-François Dandrieu. The organ pieces are delightfully crisp and virtuosic with a light touch, played on the magnificent organ of the church in Seurre, built in 1699 by Tribuot. Superb, nuanced and articulate playing by Niquet. Loads of character in the instrument, and beautifully recorded. The plainchant is sung absolutely ravishingly by Les Dames de Saint-Jean.

Full marks for this recording - must-have if you are into the genre of the French organ mass! :) A review on Classicstoday (10/10). (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=3694)


(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005R2KX.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

D'Agincour was François Couperin's junior by 16 years and a openly declared admirer. The music of D'Agincour's first three ordres and an excerpt of his 4th as recorded here, do indeed breath the spirit of Le Grand. Not as enigmatic as his great example, and original, one might add, in a more fleet, lightweight and virtuosic style. An impression which might be emphasized by Niquet harpsichord playing, which quite reminds of Christophe Rousset's ways. Some might find things rushed a bit. In some pieces the galant style of contemporary Rameau et al clearly comes through, especially in the instances where guitare accompaniment is added - a very nice refreshing touch.

Perhaps not indispensable but very enjoyable. :) In the booklet a future recording by Niquet of the 4th Ordre is announced.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 15, 2010, 05:52:04 AM
Quote from: Que on August 15, 2010, 02:05:01 AM
A French composer new to me! :) François D'Agincour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_d'Agincourt) (1684-1758) was a pupil of Nicolas-Antoine Lebègue, who was also François Couperin's teacher, and of Jacques Boyvin. D'Agincour in his turn taught one of the last French harpsichord composers, Jacques Duphly. This listing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_baroque_harpsichordists) of the composers of the French harpsichord tradition might be helpfull. Hervé Niquet laments in the booklets the neglect for D'Agincour's music, being pigeon holed in musical history as conservative and an insignificant transitional figure. Niquet finds D'Agincour's music of great quality and indeed sees innovations, be it more subtle and perhaps less apparent, despite the adherence to tradition. I'm inclined to agree with Niquet: D'Agincour write in a traditional frames but innovates by ways of added virtuosic elaborations, rhythmic diversity and a more lightweight forward flow in the music. This is music of excellent quality, too good to be overlooked.

(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005BF6L.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)(http://seurre-21.voila.net/eglise/seurre_orgue.jpg)

This disc with pièces d'orgue actually contains a French organ mass - organ pieces alternated with plainchant - after the model created by Guillaume-Gabriel Nivers, founding father of the French organ tradition. Most of the used plainchant is by Nivers himself, next to some of later anonymous origin and the plainchant for the Offertoire is by Jean-François Dandrieu. The organ pieces are delightfully crisp and virtuosic with a light touch, played on the magnificent organ of the church in Seurre, built in 1699 by Tribuot. Superb, nuanced and articulate playing by Niquet. Loads of character in the instrument, and beautifully recorded. The plainchant is sung absolutely ravishingly by Les Dames de Saint-Jean.

Full marks for this recording - must-have if you are into the genre of the French organ mass! :) A review on Classicstoday (10/10). (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=3694)


(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005R2KX.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/v/E6ZwGntPOQw

D'Agincour was François Couperin's junior by 16 years and a openly declared admirer. The music of D'Agincour's first three ordres and an excerpt of his 4th as recorded here, do indeed breath the spirit of Le Grand. Not as enigmatic as his great example, and original, one might add, in a more fleet, lightweight and virtuosic style. An impression which might be emphasized by Niquet harpsichord playing, which quite reminds of Christophe Rousset's ways. Some might find things rushed a bit. In some pieces the galant style of contemporary Rameau et al clearly comes through, especially in the instances where guitare accompaniment is added - a very nice refreshing touch.

Perhaps not indispensable but very enjoyable. :) In the booklet a future recording by Niquet of the 4th Ordre is announced.

Q

Q,  Thanks for posting your recommendation.  I have been eyeing these CD's since I last saw them in the Glossa catalog but they have not gone up high on my priority list yet.  I believe they may be available at BRO at great discount ...   ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 15, 2010, 06:23:54 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on August 15, 2010, 05:52:04 AM
Q,  Thanks for posting your recommendation.  I have been eyeing these CD's since I last saw them in the Glossa catalog but they have not gone up high on my priority list yet.  I believe they may be available at BRO at great discount ...   ;)

Stuart - Yep, I have a small order from BRO in the mail which includes the disc below - $8 only; believe that there was another one by the same computer, so assume the other one shown by Q - Dave  :D

(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005R2KX.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 15, 2010, 06:49:17 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on August 15, 2010, 06:23:54 AM
Stuart - Yep, I have a small order from BRO in the mail which includes the disc below - $8 only; believe that there was another one by the same computer, so assume the other one shown by Q - Dave  :D

(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005R2KX.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

Yeah, there are still so many interesting recordings on my shopping list which are not available from BRO.  For now, I need to whittle down that list before I turn my attention to BRO and I am getting there ...   ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 07:30:20 AM
Need... more... Duphly!

I have just spent a wonderful time with the disc containing "masterpieces of French harpsichord music (http://www.amazon.com/Masterpieces-French-Harpsichord-Music-Leonhardt/dp/B000001TZW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1282317188&sr=1-5)," played by Gustav Leonhardt, containing music by Rameau, Royer, Le Roux and Duphly. (CD No. 9 in the 80th Anniversary box (http://www.amazon.com/Gustav-Leonhardt-Jubilee-Box-Set/dp/B00186JBT6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1282317205&sr=1-5).) It was not the first time I listened to the disc; however, during the last hour I was smitten with the music, especially those by Royer and Duphly. Let anyone who thinks Baroque repertoire is only good for being wallpaper music listen to these pieces, which are filled with more than mere twanging of the harpsichord. I think I'll be listening to this disc like I do to Schubert's impromptus.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on August 20, 2010, 09:16:06 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 07:30:20 AM
Need... more... Duphly!

Warmly recommended:

(http://www.outhere-music.com/data/cds/2067/BIG.JPG)

Some samples HERE (http://www.outhere-music.com/store-Alpha_150).

I would also recommend the American harpsichordist Katherine Roberts Perl (Dorian), but her disc is almost unfindable.  :)

BTW, talking about Roberts Perl, did you listen to her superb Bach on MAGNATUNE (http://my.magnatune.com/search?w=perl&t=m&x=0&y=0)? You can listen to on-line every disc of their catalogue.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 09:40:58 AM
Muchly* appreciated. :)   I have also noted that the harpsichordist Mitzi Meyerson, who has been praised quite a few times in the forum in the past few weeks for her recording of Böhm's works, has recorded the works of Duphly on MDG.




*Cato, if you're reading this, don't take it seriously. ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 20, 2010, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 07:30:20 AM
[...]however, during the last hour I was smitten with the music, especially those by Royer and Duphly.

Great, another French harpsichord music fan!  :D

For a smashing Royer recital, turn to Rousset - it will blow your socks off! :o  8)

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Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 10:49:31 AM
Thanks, Que. :) [Spinning some Louis Couperin, right now.]
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on August 20, 2010, 11:51:37 AM
You could also try Skip Sempe's A French Collection. It's very good cross-section of French post Rameau harpsichord music: Duphly, Balbastre, Royer, Armand-Louis Couperin. There are few videos of him playing that repertoire on youtube (from DVD I think). He is fantastic player but one thing to note is that his tempi tend to be faster than most.

(http://www.paradizo.org/img/cover_PA0007.jpg)
http://www.paradizo.org/?page=catalog&disc=7&task=program
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 12:02:40 PM
That is one disc that pops up in almost every search I do for this repertoire, for obvious reasons. Thanks for the rec., Drasko; Don (Bulldog) had good things to say about it as well. :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: George on December 17, 2010, 08:25:14 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51i8DNesZvL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5124LyCIMJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Good Afternoon! :wave:

This is the only Couperin on my shelf. I hadn't heard it yet and decided to put it on. As with everything else in this box, the music, performance and sound are superb! I forget who recommended this to me (and at a cheap price to boot), but I am grateful they did.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 02, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: Que on December 23, 2009, 02:49:35 AM
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/08/ciu/90/a8/73c9c27a02a0e892f6f99110.L.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ForquerayRannou/1172062190_dMFaS-O.jpg)

This was a recent amazing bargain at jpc, the special offer was unfortunately shortlived...

Since this is my first recording of this music, little did I know why the cover only says "Forqueray", no surname. These are adaptations by Jean-Baptiste Forqueray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Forqueray) of viol music by his father, Antoine Forqueray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Forqueray). Here is the story, quoted from "La folia" (http://www.lafolia.com/archive/covell/covell200807pieces3.html) (reviews the set by Blandine Rannou).

There's a fascinating story behind these Forqueray Pièces. The father, "the world's greatest viol player," so feared his son's abilities that he had him imprisoned and briefly exiled! Two years after le Père's death, le Fils published a handful of his father's pieces scored for viol and continuo and a parallel collection arranged for clavecin alone. Forqueray Jr. slipped in a few of his own and though we know which ones, stylistically the generations are indistinguishable. Typical of the day, many honor colleagues: La Rameau, La Forqueray, La Couperin, La Leclair, La Laborde, La du Breüil, La Marella, etc., whereas other titles remain obscure. Betraying their viol origins, these pièces de clavecin hug the harpsichord's tenor region, the high tones of the Second suite's Italianate La Leclair a sparkling exception.

This is interesting music, sounding nicely dark - probably due to use of the lower register - and unconventional, wayward. As far as I can judge from this one recording, the music suits Le Gaillard's steady, robust, appropriately "digging" approach. This is also a first for me as far as Le Gaillard is concerned: a good, solid harpsichordist, who seems to play it "as it is". Reminds me a bit of the style of Noelle Spieth, though more (also figuratively  8)) masculine.

Le Gallaird plays no less than three harpsichords: a Goujon-Swanen, a Ruckers-Taskin and a Ruckers-Dubois. Although the recording from 1982 lacks the sonic "bloom" of harpsichord recordings from the late '90s onwards, it's very nice: rich but not too spacious.

I'm curious what Blandine Rannou (Zig Zag) and Christophe Rousset (Decca) make of this music! :o Any comments? :) (Some comments seem to suggest that Rousset went over the top a bit on that issue - see HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Feb02/Forquerey.htm))

A BLAST from the PAST! I've recently acquired the Rannou 2-CD set (added above, right), and also own the other posted by Q, believe both purchased cheaply from BRO - recording dates are respectively, 1982 & 2007; Rannou is playing on a copy of a Ruckers harpsichord - now listening to just the first disc and am enjoying her interpretations (Q had already give excellent background information in his post) - like the sound of this instrument; I've not listened to the other recording recently so cannot make any comparative statements at the moment; BUT, not sure that I need 2 recordings of these works and will probably keep the Zig-Zag production - have recently become enamored w/ this label.

However, I would be curious in this time interval, if anyone may have heard both of these performances and have any comments?  I tried to search for a review of Rannou but came up w/ nothing - BUT the night is late & I'm working early in the morning -  :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on February 03, 2011, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on February 02, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
However, I would be curious in this time interval, if anyone may have heard both of these performances and have any comments?  I tried to search for a review of Rannou but came up w/ nothing - BUT the night is late & I'm working early in the morning -  :D

Shouldn't really comment, haven't heard either, but here is a review of Rannou (in French) and it's pretty much a rave. Other than that it mentions that Rannou did some tweaking of her own to the transcriptions.

http://www.musebaroque.fr/Critiques/forqueray_rannou.htm

Could probably venture a guess, after hearing Rannou play Forqueray live, and hearing her in some other stuff that playing is probably languid, broad paced and beautiful.
Don't know anything about Le Gaillard.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 03, 2011, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Drasko on February 03, 2011, 07:08:40 AM
Shouldn't really comment, haven't heard either, but here is a review of Rannou (in French) and it's pretty much a rave. Other than that it mentions that Rannou did some tweaking of her own to the transcriptions.

http://www.musebaroque.fr/Critiques/forqueray_rannou.htm

Could probably venture a guess, after hearing Rannou play Forqueray live, and hearing her in some other stuff that playing is probably languid, broad paced and beautiful.   Don't know anything about Le Gaillard.

Hi Milos - yes, I found that review, and although I cannot read French fluently, could pick out some words and ! marks that implied a GOOD review; the first disc was excellent (and I do own some other CDs w/ her, also great!) - I'll do a little comparison listening this weekend but will likely keep Rannou - Dave  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 15, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
Chambonnieres, Jacques Champion de (1601/2-1672) - 'father' of 17th century harpsichord music, according to references that I've read - probably close to the truth.  Well, I now own the 3 recordings shown below, do I need all of them?  All are quite good and several are still available from BRO for bargain prices!  So, pertinent to this thread, I'd (and likely others) might be interested in member opinions of these various interpretations?  Thanks all -  :D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresBaumont/1217612904_APofn-S.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresFlint/1061244704_Pc5GF-S.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresLengelle/1046847519_RnWYw-S.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 15, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: SonicMan on March 15, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
Chambonnieres, Jacques Champion de (1601/2-1672) - 'father' of 17th century harpsichord music, according to references that I've read - probably close to the truth.  Well, I now own the 3 recordings shown below, do I need all of them?  All are quite good and several are still available from BRO for bargain prices!  So, pertinent to this thread, I'd (and likely others) might be interested in member opinions of these various interpretations?  Thanks all -  :D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresBaumont/1217612904_APofn-S.jpg) 

Hi Dave, I have only the Baumont 2CD-set, so can't offer a comparison. But I find it really impeccable: in performance, recording, instrument and completeness.  :) So I've never felt the urge to look any further. My previous comments HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg264613.html#msg264613) (But you've read them probably before). I still take it from the shelves now and then, which is considering the growing size of my collection, definitely a good sign. I remember Drasko liking it as well. :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 16, 2011, 08:06:12 AM
Quote from: Que on March 15, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
... So I've never felt the urge to look any further.

Are you not a completist, Q? Just one version, if it is satisfactory. You and your eccentric ideas!   :P :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 16, 2011, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: Antoine Marchand on March 16, 2011, 08:06:12 AM
Are you not a completist, Q? Just one version, if it is satisfactory. You and your eccentric ideas!   :P :D

Que & Antoine - believe that I acquired all of these versions because each was available at BRO for a steal!  :D 8)

Just finished listening to the 2nd disc of Baumont - excellent performance & great liner notes - definitely a 'keeper' for me (and especially recommended to those interested in this pioneering 17th French keyboard player/composer and at the BRO pricing).

However, am now listening to Karen Flint - single CD but nearly 77 mins and also w/ excellent liner notes; the harpsichord used is a Ruckers (Antwerp, 1635); restored a number of times, the last being to its mid-18th century state by John Philips in 2005 - will keep that disc, also.

Now the other recording w/ Francoise Lengelle was performed recently (2003) on a harpsichord made by Vincent Tibaut (Toulouse, 1681) - does not appear to have had a major restoration?  Full description of the instrument in the excellent liner notes - need to at least give this another listen!  Dave   :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on March 18, 2011, 06:20:46 PM
Just purchased this set at a great price from an Amazon MP vendor over a week ago ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5182mN-xxiL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

and this set should complement the following set I bought early last year ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kQEhha%2BIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 18, 2011, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Antoine Marchand on March 16, 2011, 08:06:12 AM
Are you not a completist, Q? Just one version, if it is satisfactory. You and your eccentric ideas!   :P :D

Completist? Yes!  ;D But in terms of interesting repertoire and covering different styles - I choose to focus my limited resources on expanding my musical horizon first and foremost. Of course there are (many) exeptions: in cases that I'm highly fascinated by specific music and I feel that a different angle might provide a new or better experience. :)

Baumont's Cambonnières set, whether true or not (I would have to spend much time and money just to verify), left the strong feeling of satisfaction that it can hardly be bettered upon! :D

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on March 19, 2011, 06:55:43 AM
Quote from: Que on March 18, 2011, 11:59:42 PM
Completist? Yes!  ;D But in terms of interesting repertoire and covering different styles - I choose to focus my limited resources on expanding my musical horizon first and foremost. Of course there are (many) exeptions: in cases that I'm highly fascinated by specific music and I feel that a different angle might provide a new or better experience. :)

Baumont's Cambonnières set, whether true or not (I would have to spend much time and money just to verify), left the strong feeling of satisfaction that it can hardly be bettered upon! :D

Q

Q,  You are one of the very few people on this forum whose recommendations I follow ...     :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Sylph on March 19, 2011, 07:26:11 AM
Any recommended recordings of André Campra's music? 8)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on March 19, 2011, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: Sylph on March 19, 2011, 07:26:11 AM
Any recommended recordings of André Campra's music? 8)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on April 16, 2011, 07:32:28 AM
Quote from: milk on April 16, 2011, 06:25:56 AM
I did get this recording by the way. I like the sound quality but I don't know what I think of the interpretations yet. Itunes has every track mis-labelled! This recording does remind me how much I love the plectra recording![asin] B00285QBXK[/asin]

Here is one of the several Plextra recordings I purchased a few weeks ago.  The SQ is quite good for this little known label ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x%2Bqfzs-sL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on April 16, 2011, 04:18:46 PM
Here is one of the several Plextra recordings I purchased a few weeks ago.  The SQ is quite good for this little known label ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x%2Bqfzs-sL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Oh No! Another one for my to-buy list!!!!!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on April 16, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: milk on April 16, 2011, 04:18:46 PM
Here is one of the several Plextra recordings I purchased a few weeks ago.  The SQ is quite good for this little known label ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x%2Bqfzs-sL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)



Oh No! Another one for my to-buy list!!!!!

I also bought this twofer, which I have yet to play ...

(http://ec5.images-amazon.com/images/I/61gJquyB6TL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on April 16, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: milk on April 16, 2011, 04:18:46 PM
Here is one of the several Plextra recordings I purchased a few weeks ago.  The SQ is quite good for this little known label ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x%2Bqfzs-sL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)



Oh No! Another one for my to-buy list!!!!!

For Chambonnières, also keep Olivier Baumont in mind. :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresBaumont/1217612904_APofn-S.jpg)


See comments HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg264613/topicseen.html#msg264613),  HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg459820/topicseen.html#msg459820) and HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg498157.html#msg498157).

Q

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on April 17, 2011, 04:02:28 AM
Quote from: Que on April 16, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
For Chambonnières, also keep Olivier Baumont in mind. :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresBaumont/1217612904_APofn-S.jpg)


See comments HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg264613/topicseen.html#msg264613),  HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg459820/topicseen.html#msg459820) and HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg498157.html#msg498157).

Q

Whatever the comments. This Baumont recording is outstanding, I think he is much underrated. Everybody who has heard his Couperin or Händel or this Chambonnières recordings knows.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on April 17, 2011, 05:04:30 AM
Quote from: Que on April 16, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
For Chambonnières, also keep Olivier Baumont in mind. :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/ChambonnieresBaumont/1217612904_APofn-S.jpg)


See comments HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg264613/topicseen.html#msg264613),  HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg459820/topicseen.html#msg459820) and HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg498157.html#msg498157).

Q

I am having problems locating this CD on Amazon US ...   :(
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on April 17, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on April 17, 2011, 05:04:30 AM
I am having problems locating this CD on Amazon US ...   :(

Try Berkshire (http://www2.broinc.com/search.php?row=0&brocode=142981&stocknum=&submit=Find+Item&text=&filter=all). :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on April 17, 2011, 01:11:24 PM
Quote from: Que on April 17, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
Try Berkshire (http://www2.broinc.com/search.php?row=0&brocode=142981&stocknum=&submit=Find+Item&text=&filter=all). :)

Q

Thanks Q.  It is a twofer at an excellent price.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on June 15, 2011, 07:59:38 AM
What is van Immerseel's stand in Baroque music?
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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on June 15, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
I've just had a revelation hearing a single disc of Blandine Rannou playing Rameau on Zig-Zag. Now I desperately need to get the whole 4 disc shenanigan.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 25, 2011, 03:42:01 AM
Quote from: The new erato on June 15, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
I've just had a revelation hearing a single disc of Blandine Rannou playing Rameau on Zig-Zag. Now I desperately need to get the whole 4 disc shenanigan.

It indeed is a revelation! :) Rannou's Rameau is on par with Rousset's, but quite different: more sensuous and lyrical against Rousset's probing virtuosic brilliance. And with Rannou you get the Pièces de clavecin en concerts as an extra in comparison.

Highly recommended. :)

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Q

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on June 25, 2011, 11:34:33 PM
(http://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/27/61/0794881346127_600.jpg) (http://organiste.blogs.lalibre.be/media/00/01/2114977848.jpg)

A 3-CD set with the complete organ music of Louis Couperin (1626-1661). Davitt Moroney plays the organ of the Abbaye de Saint-Michel-en-Thiérache, built by Jean Boizard in 1714.

I hate to recommend hard-to-find items, but this issue on Tempéraments (TEM 316001/3 (1995) is really something.... In 1957 a private collector rediscovered 68 unknown organ compositions by Louis Couperin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Couperin), uncle of François. Only in the early nineties a publication of the works was prepared by Davitt Moroney and in these recordings from 1995 he also premiered the music on recording.

And what wonderful music and what wonderful recording it is!  :o :)I'm still discovering the French organ school, but this is surely the best I've heard so far. Louis Couperin emerges as a tremendous organ composer. Pride of place take the two stunning Cycles de Fugues et Fantaisies that take over half of the three disc. They are preceded by just over one disc of more traditional styled music, mostly in plein jeu. These cycles of fugues outshine even any of his efforts for the harpsichord that I have heard. It seems that before it was a similar, smaller cycle of Fugues et caprices by François Roberday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Roberday) was pointed out of being the equivalent from the French baroque of later examples by Bach. However fine that cycle is (more about it later), Louis Couperin is the real thing. Beautiful are these fugues: subtle, inventive, expressive, delectable and very touching. Couperin was befriended with Froberger and was through him exposed to Italian influences which are clearly noticeable in these cycles.
Amazing how a rediscovery of lost music can change the outlook of a composer and of a whole era. :o

Anyway: all organ buffs take heed if this set happens to come your way!

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on June 27, 2011, 08:16:36 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on June 25, 2011, 11:34:33 PM
(http://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/27/61/0794881346127_600.jpg) (http://organiste.blogs.lalibre.be/media/00/01/2114977848.jpg)

A 3-CD set with the complete organ music of Louis Couperin (1626-1661). Davitt Moroney plays the organ of the Abbaye de Saint-Michel-en-Thiérache, built by Jean Boizard in 1714.

I hate to recommend hard-to-find items, but this issue on Tempéraments (TEM 316001/3 (1995) is really something.... In 1957 a private collector rediscovered 68 unknown organ compositions by Louis Couperin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Couperin), uncle of François. Only in the early nineties a publication of the works was prepared by Davitt Moroney and in these recordings from 1995 he also premiered the music on recording.

And what wonderful music and what wonderful recording it is!  :o :)I'm still discovering the French organ school, but this is surely the best I've heard so far. Louis Couperin emerges as a tremendous organ composer. Pride of place take the two stunning Cycles de Fugues et Fantaisies that take over half of the three disc. They are preceded by just over one disc of more traditional styled music, mostly in plein jeu. These cycles of fugues outshine even any of his efforts for the harpsichord that I have heard. It seems that before it was a similar, smaller cycle of Fugues et caprices by François Roberday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Roberday) was pointed out of being the equivalent from the French baroque of later examples by Bach. However fine that cycle is (more about it later), Louis Couperin is the real thing. Beautiful are these fugues: subtle, inventive, expressive, delectable and very touching. Couperin was befriended with Froberger and was through him exposed to Italian influences which are clearly noticeable in these cycles.
Amazing how a rediscovery of lost music can change the outlook of a composer and of a whole era. :o

Anyway: all organ buffs take heed if this set happens to come your way!

Q

Since you mention LC: I've really been in love with this recording (harpsichord) for a long time. I'm a fan of Rousset, but after purchasing his recent Louis Couperin recording I realized I couldn't listen to it much. Sempe really delivers magic on this one and I come back to it again and again. I'm trying to overcome an organ allergy!
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xUGui4pBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on July 05, 2011, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on July 04, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Npbv5ry2L._SS500_.jpg)

Continuing my French harpsichord adventure. :)

Q

Just bookmarked this composer on Amazon to get ready for the next conquest ...   ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 05, 2011, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on July 05, 2011, 06:42:40 PM
Just bookmarked this composer on Amazon to get ready for the next conquest ...   ;)

Jacques Duphly was one of the last in the line of the great French harpsichord tradition, together with Armand-Louis Coperin and Claude-Bénigne Balbastre. It is actually my recent acquintance with Balbastre's music (set by Mitzi Meyerson) that has lead me to Duphly.

He gets a mixed press - he is  by some considered a minor, less insprired composer. He is totally new to me, but the samples sounded interesting enough (bright, lively music) to give it a try.

We'll see! :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: PaulSC on July 06, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on July 05, 2011, 09:24:15 PM
Jacques Duphly was one of the last in the line of the great French harpsichord tradition, together with Armand-Louis Coperin and Claude-Bénigne Balbastre. It is actually my recent acquintance with Balbastre's music (set by Mitzi Meyerson) that has lead me to Duphly.

He gets a mixed press - he is  by some considered a minor, less insprired composer. He is totally new to me, but the samples sounded interesting enough (bright, lively music) to give it a try.

We'll see! :)

Q

I hope you enjoy this music as much as I do, Q. Duphly was certainly uneven, and the later livres in particular get a bit shallow, relying on devices like Alberti bass that must have seemed novel once but now seem cliché. But there's no shortage of inspiration in his best work. Overall, I prefer his exquisite lyricism to the flash and pomp of Balbastre.

I'd say without hesitation that the D minor Allemande from Duphly's première livre is as charming a work as any the great clavicenistes ever wrote. Brosse is very good in this repertoire, but my favorite Duphly disc comes from his labelmate Mario Raskin.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WWLiLMAaL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

http://amzn.com/B004EXHNHW (http://amzn.com/B004EXHNHW)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on July 06, 2011, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on July 04, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Npbv5ry2L._SS500_.jpg)

Continuing my French harpsichord adventure. :)

Q

This is another excellent disc devoted to Duphly:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41751Z199ZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.de/Cembalomusik-Roberts-Perl/dp/B00000HYTI/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1310008443&sr=1-3

... beautifully played by the American harpsichordist Kathy Roberts Perl.

http://www.kathyrobertsperl.com/index.php

:)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 06, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: PaulSC on July 06, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
I hope you enjoy this music as much as I do, Q. Duphly was certainly uneven, and the later livres in particular get a bit shallow, relying on devices like Alberti bass that must have seemed novel once but now seem cliché. But there's no shortage of inspiration in his best work. Overall, I prefer his exquisite lyricism to the flash and pomp of Balbastre.

I'd say without hesitation that the D minor Allemande from Duphly's première livre is as charming a work as any the great clavicenistes ever wrote. Brosse is very good in this repertoire, but my favorite Duphly disc comes from his labelmate Mario Raskin.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WWLiLMAaL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

http://amzn.com/B004EXHNHW (http://amzn.com/B004EXHNHW)
Quote from: toñito on July 06, 2011, 07:22:31 PM
This is another excellent disc devoted to Duphly:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41751Z199ZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)


Thank you both! :) Having rather completist tendencies  ;D I looked firstly at what complete series were available. As far as I know, Jean-Patrice Brosse is the only show in town and it was a good occasion to try him out. A previous complete Dulphy cycle by Yannick Le Gaillard is OP - I have his Forqueray which is quite nice, the Gramophone review of the Dulphy set (http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page/February%201993/55/747429/DUPHLY.+Pieces+de+clavecin.+Yannick+Le+Gail+lard+(hpd)+Ryo+Terakado+(vn).+Adda+%C2%AE+(D+581097100+(four+discs%3A+221+minutes%3A+DDD).) shows reservations.

But yes, I'll gladly take some recitals into consideration as well. :) I also spotted a disc by Mitzi Meyerson (MDG) and Elisabeth Joyé (Alpha).

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on July 07, 2011, 04:39:26 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on July 06, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
But yes, I'll gladly take some recitals into consideration as well. :) I also spotted a disc by Mitzi Meyerson (MDG) and Elisabeth Joyé (Alpha).

I forget Elisabeth Joyé, which is quite incredible because her disc is one of my favorite discs of French Baroque on harpsichord... As a harpsichordist she has one of the most beautiful and subtle "touch" in town.

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http://www.outhere-music.com/store-Alpha_150

:)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on July 08, 2011, 06:17:07 AM
Allright so what do people think of Couperin's Concerts royaux? I'm a big fan of Rameau's Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts and of course the Brandenburgs. I'm looking at several different recordings of Concerts Royaux. I'm trying to avoid versions that favor the flute as I lately have a low tolerance for the flute. My questions are, 1. do people here think these works rival the Rameau works? What do people think of these pieces? And 2. What recordings do people favor? Savall? Thanks!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on July 08, 2011, 07:29:26 AM
Quote from: milk on July 08, 2011, 06:17:07 AM
Allright so what do people think of Couperin's Concerts royaux? I'm a big fan of Rameau's Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts and of course the Brandenburgs. I'm looking at several different recordings of Concerts Royaux. I'm trying to avoid versions that favor the flute as I lately have a low tolerance for the flute. My questions are, 1. do people here think these works rival the Rameau works? What do people think of these pieces? And 2. What recordings do people favor? Savall? Thanks!

I tend to favor this old version:

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The sound quality is excellent (as usual with Wolff Erichson productions).

Have you thought to try Les Nations, a collection intimately related to the Concerts royaux? I mean it's possible to find some extra instrumental variety there. The Kuijkens have a beautiful and highly recommendable version:

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ac/ee/ad6cc6da8da04b79c2442110.L.jpg) 

:)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: PaulSC on July 08, 2011, 07:53:19 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on July 06, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
Having rather completist tendencies  ;D I looked firstly at what complete series were available. As far as I know, Jean-Patrice Brosse is the only show in town and it was a good occasion to try him out.
Ah, I know that sentiment well. (But sometimes I try to resist!) In this case Brosse is well worth having and will help you decide how far you want to go with other interpreters.

Speaking of completism  ;D I'm about to spring for Olivier Baumont's Chambonnières set, based in part on your endorsement IIRC.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FiaOW-9zL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on July 09, 2011, 07:50:45 AM
Quote from: toñito on July 08, 2011, 07:29:26 AM
I tend to favor this old version:

[asin]B000009MN4[/asin]

The sound quality is excellent (as usual with Wolff Erichson productions).

Have you thought to try Les Nations, a collection intimately related to the Concerts royaux? I mean it's possible to find some extra instrumental variety there. The Kuijkens have a beautiful and highly recommendable version:

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ac/ee/ad6cc6da8da04b79c2442110.L.jpg) 

:)

How do you rate these compositions? I love Rameau's Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts. I cherish the version by Sonnerie. I also quite like the Kuijken version. How do Couperin's chamber pieces stand up to Rameau's? I see a version Savall did with Gamba, Therbo, guitar and other instruments. It seems also to be recommended. I'm curious what kind of guitar ends up on a period recording (a baroque guitar?). I also see that Rinaldo Alessandrini has an acclaimed version with gamba. Lately I've been very interested in Gamba recordings. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 07, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: PaulSC on July 08, 2011, 07:53:19 AM
I'm about to spring for Olivier Baumont's Chambonnières set, based in part on your endorsement IIRC.
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Did you get it? I hope you like it! :)


Anyway,  I've been occupied with a (for me) new French Baroque composer, Nicolas (Antoine) Lebègue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Leb%C3%A8gue) (c. 1631 – 1702). To place Lebègue in the French harpsichord lineage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_harpsichordists): he came after Jacques Champion de Chambonnières and Louis Couperin, and his collection of harpsichord was the first to be published after that of De Chambonnières. Students of Lebègue include François d'Agincour (previously discussed HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg440842.html#msg440842)) and Nicolas Grigny. I also got a recording of Lebègue's 1st organ book (he was a celebrated organist), on which later. But it helped me to form an image of this composer.

Lebègue has not the frivolity of his teacher Chambonnières, pieces have no mysterious nicknames but formal names like Prelude, Allemande, Courante, etc. The music also sounds more formal in a way - I hear some Italian influence here and there (Frescobaldi?) - though Lebègue seems less focused on intellectual rigour than Louis Couperin but more on longer melodic lines and harmonic treatment. The end result is are sober but bright and melodic pieces, expressively played. Though Lebègue's music may not reach the heights of either De Chambonnières or Louis Couperin, I enjoyed this disc very much and would recommend it to those who want to delve deeper into the French harpsichord tradition - like me. :)

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The disc contains the complete works for harpsichord in two Books, the 1st from 1677 and the 2nd from 1687. They were published in Amsterdam and were known throughout Europe.

Canadian Bibiane Lapointe studied with Scott Ross and Ton Koopman. She is part of the French Baroque ensemble "Les Cyclopes" and sounds like an excellent harpsichordist. She plays here a double-manual harpschord by Bruce Kennedy after French 17th c. models.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 07, 2011, 06:53:26 AM
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I've really been enjoying this recording a lot lately. Wonderful music and wonderful performances!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on August 07, 2011, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: milk on July 09, 2011, 07:50:45 AM
How do you rate these compositions? I love Rameau's Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts. I cherish the version by Sonnerie. I also quite like the Kuijken version. How do Couperin's chamber pieces stand up to Rameau's? I see a version Savall did with Gamba, Therbo, guitar and other instruments. It seems also to be recommended. I'm curious what kind of guitar ends up on a period recording (a baroque guitar?). I also see that Rinaldo Alessandrini has an acclaimed version with gamba. Lately I've been very interested in Gamba recordings.

Sorry, milk, I didn't see your message before. I think Couperin was a great composer, too. All these works are excellent and a formidable demonstration of the composer's stylistic concerns, but the comparison with Rameau's Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts is difficult to me because this is the French Baroque music that I enjoy the most. I don't own the Sonnerie, but it sounds like a great recommendation. My favourite version is Rousset/Terakado/Uemura (HM); I also like very much the Kuijkens and Rannou.     

BTW, did you purchase Savall's Concert Royaux? I considered this disc many times, but I never pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 08, 2011, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: toñito on August 07, 2011, 09:02:57 AM
Sorry, milk, I didn't see your message before. I think Couperin was a great composer, too. All these works are excellent and a formidable demonstration of the composer's stylistic concerns, but the comparison with Rameau's Pièces de Clavecin en Concerts is difficult to me because this is the French Baroque music that I enjoy the most. I don't own the Sonnerie, but it sounds like a great recommendation. My favourite version is Rousset/Terakado/Uemura (HM); I also like very much the Kuijkens and Rannou.     

BTW, did you purchase Savall's Concert Royaux? I considered this disc many times, but I never pulled the trigger.

I haven't purchased Savall's Concert Royaux yet. I guess it's next on my list. I've been really into Gamba lately - I probably should get the Savall. I also have the Kuijken Rameau. I like it. It has more variety in instrumentation than the Sonnerie (the Sonnerie recording doesn't change up with Flute). But I love the Sonnerie recording. Being into Gamba lately I've been buying Pandolfo's Marais recordings. These are also quite nice. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: PaulSC on August 10, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on August 07, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Did you get [Baumont's Chambonnières set]? I hope you like it! :)

Today, I finally bought that Chambonnières recording, along with two recordings of Lebègue (Lapointe playing the harpsichord works and Thierry Maeder playing selected organ works) and a recording of the two organ masses of François Couperin performed by Philippe Lefebvre. All but the last of these purchases were influenced by you. And now, I have a lot of pleasurable listening to look forward to.

Cheers!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 12, 2011, 12:58:07 AM
Quote from: PaulSC on August 10, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
Today, I finally bought that Chambonnières recording, along with two recordings of Lebègue (Lapointe playing the harpsichord works and Thierry Maeder playing selected organ works) and a recording of the two organ masses of François Couperin performed by Philippe Lefebvre. All but the last of these purchases were influenced by you. And now, I have a lot of pleasurable listening to look forward to.

Cheers!

Quote from: PaulSC on August 11, 2011, 02:57:49 PM
I do often buy in MP3 format. I'm happy with the sound quality, and I have physical disabilities that make it harder for me to handle CDs and other physical media. When I buy downloads, the whole process of shopping, buying, and listening is something I can do without needing the help of an assistant.

I gave about half of the Baumont/Chambonnières a first listen earlier today and am very pleased. There's a lot of compositional variety — pieces with long, spun-out phrases; pseudo-imitative textures; low-register writing that suggests a gamba consort... Baumont's ornamentation is graceful and well controlled.

Happy you like the Chambonnières! :) The recitation - or eulogy - at the start of the 1st disc is maybe a bit startling! :D (I recall it caught our Harry off guard!  ;D) At first the earlier, less elaborate music of Chambonnières seemed a step back but I must say it kind of grew on me. It's has a sobriety in the mould of the French gamba tradition, milk just referred to. Baumont indeed does a superb job in tastefull phrasing and ornamentation.

So you went for the "other" Lebègue organ disc on Arion  8) - the single disc with the selections by Maeder (The Brosse is a double disc with the complete 1st book) Maeder's got a Diapson d'or and rather good press - I'm keen to hear what you think. :)

That Couperin Organ Masses issue with Lefèbre looks damn tasty! They must sound quite grand, considering the organs? I have the recordings by Jean- Charles Ablitzer (Harmonic), recorded on smaller, rather rustic sounding organs (love the character of it!) and plain chant with the Ensemble Organum in the Paroisses mass

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 12, 2011, 04:42:25 AM
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Once in a while, I stumble upon an extra-special. And getting to know these six harpsichord suites by the London based French composer Charles (François) Dieupart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dieupart) is one of those happy moments! :) The assumption is that Bach was influenced by this collection that was published in 1701 in Amsterdam. These suites were also published in a version for a basso continuo and a treble instrument (recorder). Bach and Johann Gottfried Walther are known to have copied out several compositions by Dieupart. This possible connection might also explain the "Englishness" of Bach's English Suites, that sound not very English at all.

Well, after hearing this, I'm pretty much convinced that Bach indeed was inspired by these compositions. These compositions are formally structured in the same way as Bach's suites. They have a French foundation with clear Italian and English influences - very fleet yet with an airy and dreamy quality to them. The result is more than the sum of the parts - a beautiful and intriguing synthesis with no lack of invention or originality! :)

Because of this I think this music has/should have a much wider appeal than just French Baroque enthusiasts. Huguette Grémy-Chauliac, who once taught Scott Ross, plays a harpsichord by William Dowd after Pascal Taskin 1770. She is mainly a teacher but I was very impressed by the quality of the performance that sounds idiomatically French in its roots, without overstating.

A pity there are only two versions of the harpsichord version around - this and one by Joseph Payne (Centaur) - both on tiny labels. These works deserve much more exposure!

Strongly recommended. :)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 12, 2011, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on August 12, 2011, 04:42:25 AM
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Once in a while, I stumble upon an extra-special. And getting to know these six harpsichord suites by the London based French composer Charles (François) Dieupart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dieupart) is one of those happy moments! :) The assumption is that Bach was influenced by this collection that was published in 1701 in Amsterdam. These suites were also published in a version for a basso continuo and a treble instrument (recorder). Bach and Johann Gottfried Walther are known to have copied out several compositions by Dieupart. This possible connection might also explain the "Englishness" of Bach's English Suites, that sound not very English at all.

Well, after hearing this, I'm pretty much convinced that Bach indeed was inspired by these compositions. These compositions are formally structured in the same way as Bach's suites. They have a French foundation with clear Italian and English influences - very fleet yet with an airy and dreamy quality to them. The result is more than the sum of the parts - a beautiful end intriguing synthesis with no lack of invention or originality! :)

Because of this I think this music has/should have a much wider appeal than just French Baroque enthusiasts. Huguette Grémy-Chauliac, who once taught Scott Ross, plays a harpsichord by William Dowd after Pascal Taskin 1770. She is mainly a teacher but I was very impressed by the quality of the performance that sounds idiomatically French in its roots, without overstating.

Strongly recommended. A pity there are only two versions of the harpsichord version around - this and one by Joseph Payne (Centaur) - both on tiny labels. These works deserve much more exposure!

Strongly recommended. :)

Q

Thanks Q.  Just bookmarked this recording ...   :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: PaulSC on August 12, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on August 12, 2011, 12:58:07 AM
Happy you like the Chambonnières! :) The recitation - or eulogy - at the start of the 1st disc is maybe a bit startling! :D (I recall it caught our Harry off guard!  ;D)

Yes, the recitation was a bit of a surprise — brought to mind Van Asperen's Froberger disc, "Pour passer la mélancolie"!

QuoteThat Couperin Organ Masses issue with Lefèbre looks damn tasty! They must sound quite grand, considering the organs? I have the recordings by Jean- Charles Ablitzer (Harmonic), recorded on smaller, rather rustic sounding organs (love the character of it!) and plain chant with the Ensemble Organum in the Paroisses mass

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I like what I've heard of the Lefebvre, but would like to hear the Ablitzer to get a sense of how the instruments compare. The music itself doesn't strike me as grand, not like what I hear in Buxtehude and J.S. Bach. I will say this: the Lefebvre recording is colorful! The titles of these pieces, at least as they are given in the  Lefebvre recording, indicate a lot of diverse solo registration. The "Dialogue sur la voix humaine" is particularly charming.

That Dieupart disc, meanwhile, goes on my wish list; I'll park it in the spot previously occupied by the Chambonnieres! :-)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 12, 2011, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: PaulSC on August 12, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
I like what I've heard of the Lefebvre, but would like to hear the Ablitzer to get a sense of how the instruments compare. The music itself doesn't strike me as grand, not like what I hear in Buxtehude and J.S. Bach.

You're right about the music and Ablitzer's organs suit it fine IMO.  :) The discs have been OOP forever but can be sampled and purchased as a download at itunes and HERE (http://www.micmacmusic.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&inc_subcat=1&keywords=ablitzer+couperin&x=0&y=0&osCsid=fa76f4b57754487bda63329abe21241e).

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 29, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
Marais, Marin (1656-1728) - Viol Pieces - 5 disc set of previously released recordings (I had just one of the CDs, so a nice acquisition); Jordi Savall on the bass viol - others depending on the disc/book include Christophe Coin (on the first book of 'double viol' compositions), Ton Koopman, Hopkinson Smith, Anne Gallet (harpsichord on the 2nd book/disc), and Jean-Michel Damian.  These recordings date from 1975 to 1992 (3 discs are from the '70s) - the sound engineering is superb and the package is labeled as a 'hybrid SACD' - don't own the latter equipment to comment.

Marais studied w/ Lully & Sainte-Colombe - a Wiki Bio HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Marais).  For those interested in a film and one that started my interest in this composer/violist, then try Tous les matins du monde (1991) w/ Gérard Depardieu as the older Marais (and his son playing the younger man).  :)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on October 02, 2011, 12:25:06 AM
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This is one of the very best recordings that I own.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on October 15, 2011, 07:56:30 AM
I wonder: Do these compositions get the acclaim that they deserve? I have no idea in what regard they are held. I happen to love them. This recording by Sonnerie is quite good! I think these works are next after the Brandenburg concertos if one is considering great baroque music of this sort. Anyone care to disagree?
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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 15, 2011, 10:13:53 AM
Quote from: milk on October 15, 2011, 07:56:30 AM
I wonder: Do these compositions get the acclaim that they deserve? I have no idea in what regard they are held. I happen to love them. This recording by Sonnerie is quite good! I think these works are next after the Brandenburg concertos if one is considering great baroque music of this sort. Anyone care to disagree?
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I'm not going to compare it with anything, but I will agree that this disc is wonderful.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on October 22, 2011, 04:29:41 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 15, 2011, 10:13:53 AM
I'm not going to compare it with anything, but I will agree that this disc is wonderful.

I have the Kuijken brother's recording as well as the Podger/Pinnock but I end up back with the Sonnerie/Meyerson recording as my favorite. If anyone has another recommendation I'd love to hear it.
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Skip Sempé and Olivier Fortin perform a few of these pieces (double harpsichord). It's nicely done! 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on October 22, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: milk on October 15, 2011, 07:56:30 AM
I wonder: Do these compositions get the acclaim that they deserve? I have no idea in what regard they are held. I happen to love them. This recording by Sonnerie is quite good! I think these works are next after the Brandenburg concertos if one is considering great baroque music of this sort. Anyone care to disagree?
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I have this twofer as well.  It is very delightful music for sure ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 04, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
Just a technical question.

Is there a reason why Couperin's harpsichord is particularly hard to transpose to a modern piano? I know it was often written for an instrument with two manuals, and that may make simple music on the harpsichord into a technical challenge on a single manual instrument. But wan't a lot of Bach written for a two manual harpsichord too? Anyway pianists can rise to virtuoso music.

I find myself with mixed views about the Couperin piano I've heard -- Cziffra, Sokolov and Tharaud. The piano seems to trivialise the music a bit, over sweeten it, compared with the two harpsichordists I've heard play it (Verlet and Landowska)

But that may be to do with the pianists rather than transcription problems.

What do you think of Hewitt's Couperin CD?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on November 04, 2011, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 04, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
Just a technical question.

Is there a reason why Couperin's harpsichord is particularly hard to transpose to a modern piano? I know it was often written for an instrument with two manuals, and that may make simple music on the harpsichord into a technical challenge on a single manual instrument. But wan't a lot of Bach written for a two manual harpsichord too? Anyway pianists can rise to virtuoso music.

I find myself with mixed views about the Couperin piano I've heard -- Cziffra, Sokolov and Tharaud. The piano seems to trivialise the music a bit, over sweeten it, compared with the two harpsichordists I've heard play it (Verlet and Landowska)

But that may be to do with the pianists rather than transcription problems.

What do you think of Hewitt's Couperin CD?

Have you heard any of the three volumes of Couperin keyboard works performed by Angela Hewitt on Hyperion?  I have all 3 volumes, though I have not listened to them since they first came into my collection ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 04, 2011, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on November 04, 2011, 12:56:10 PM
Have you heard any of the three volumes of Couperin keyboard works performed by Angela Hewitt on Hyperion?  I have all 3 volumes, though I have not listened to them since they first came into my collection ...

I've just downloaded Vol 3
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Karl Henning on November 05, 2011, 04:36:54 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 04, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
Just a technical question.

Is there a reason why Couperin's harpsichord is particularly hard to transpose to a modern piano? I know it was often written for an instrument with two manuals, and that may make simple music on the harpsichord into a technical challenge on a single manual instrument. But wan't a lot of Bach written for a two manual harpsichord too? Anyway pianists can rise to virtuoso music.

I don't think the problem is any matter of virtuosity, though. I'm still relatively new to immersion in this lit (do you mean François?), still making my way through the Olivier Baumont box, so I don't pretend to be able to speak thoroughly to the question, but I've heard many a piece in the course of the Ordres which had me thinking, This texture just wouldn't play the same on the piano.  And that, apart from the matter of the harpsichordist employing the lute stop for a change in timbre.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on November 05, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 04, 2011, 11:30:30 PM
I've just downloaded Vol 3

IIRC, there are not many versions of these Couperin keyboard works performed on piano out there ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on November 05, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
I'm a big fan of this Rannou (harpsichord) recording:
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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 05, 2011, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on November 05, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
IIRC, there are not many versions of these Couperin keyboard works performed on piano out there ...

Have you heard the Sokolov? And the Cziffra?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on November 05, 2011, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 05, 2011, 09:37:21 AM
Have you heard the Sokolov? And the Cziffra?

I have a box set and a few singles by Sokolov.  I am not sure if there are any Couperin tracks in that box set ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 05, 2011, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on November 05, 2011, 09:46:17 AM
I have a box set and a few singles by Sokolov.  I am not sure if there are any Couperin tracks in that box set ...

No it won't be it's a concert bootleg with very good sound (2001 I think, from memory) Let me know if you want a link to it. I listened to it last night and I like it. He's a good pianist!

I'll try to listen to the Hewitt this weekend.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 09, 2011, 03:43:11 AM
Here's Wanda Landowska playing Couperin's Les Dominos

http://www.youtube.com/v/G-wu93K1QGg

Her harpsichord was a two manual instrument, and Couperin wrote for a two manual instrument I think. So no transposing would have been done, I guess. She's playing the notes that FC wrote.

So how authentic is this? Were registrations like Landowska's possible on authentic instruments? Were dynamic changes like Landowska's possible? Is it that old instruments are monochromatic and incapable of dynamic variation, or is it a matter of degree?

And how is it stylistically?  I think she uses style  brisé, but I'm not a performer so I don't entirely trust my own ears.  Are there other aspects of French baroque keyboeard style I should be aware of?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on November 09, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 09, 2011, 03:43:11 AM
Here's Wanda Landowska playing Couperin's Les Dominos
Her harpsichord was a two manual instrument, and Couperin wrote for a two manual instrument I think. So no transposing would have been done, I guess. She's playing the notes that FC wrote.
So how authentic is this? Were registrations like Landowska's possible on authentic instruments? Were dynamic changes like Landowska's possible? Is it that old instruments are monochromatic and incapable of dynamic variation, or is it a matter of degree?
Harpsichords are incapable of any other dynamic variation than the one resulting from the change of registration. To my knowledge no French baroque harpsichord with 16F stop is known, but apart from that, I think all the stop changes Landowska made in this recording were possible on a large two manual French baroque harpsichord. But the general sound of her instrument would probably not have been to Couperins taste (too thin and metallic compared to the full sounding instruments he knew), and my idea of his style convinces me, that he never would have made so many changes of registration other than using a few echo effects.

Quote from: Mandryka
And how is it stylistically?  I think she uses style  brisé, but I'm not a performer so I don't entirely trust my own ears.  Are there other aspects of French baroque keyboeard style I should be aware of?
Style brisé is rather a way of composing than a way of playing. And I do not think she arpeggiates that much. Stylistically I would like fewer stop changes and a less ponderous  " to the letter" approach as well as a more pointed articulation - more elegance. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 09, 2011, 11:45:47 AM
Thanks. Give me a few days to reflect on what you've said. Elegance is one way with Les Dominos, for sure.

I've been listening to a lot of Couperin recently: Blandine Verlet and some pianists too. There's a piece that Verlet plays called Musette de Choisy from the 15th Order which has gotten inder my skin.

Here's a recital that Sokolov gane in 2001 dedicated to Couperin, including Les Dominos. I think it's wonderful -- but then I would  ;)

   http://www.sendspace.com/folder/vflepq

I'm interested in Sokolov's baroque reordings: he dedicated himself pretty well to Baroque music for quite  a few years.  There are recordings not just of Bach and Couperin, but also Froeberger, Byrde and Rameau.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on November 09, 2011, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 09, 2011, 11:45:47 AM
Thanks. Give me a few days to reflect on what you've said. Elegance is one way with Les Dominos, for sure.

I've been listening to a lot of Couperin recently: Blandine Verlet and some pianists too. There's a piece that Verlet plays called Musette de Choisy from the 15th Order which has gotten inder my skin.

Here's a recital that Sokolov gane in 2001 dedicated to Couperin, including Les Dominos. I think it's wonderful -- but then I would  ;)

   http://www.sendspace.com/folder/vflepq

I'm interested in Sokolov's baroque reordings: he dedicated himself pretty well to Baroque music for quite  a few years.  There are recordings not just of Bach and Couperin, but also Froeberger, Byrde and Rameau.

I like both Blandine Rannou and Blandine Verlet.  BTW, the late Christiane Jaccottet was a superb harpsichordist as well.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on November 09, 2011, 11:33:55 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on November 09, 2011, 10:00:01 PM
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First listen, but immediately becomes apparent is that Guillaume Bouzignac (1690?-1743?) was a one of a kind, who stood outside the mainstream musical tradition.

Q
This disc astounded reviewers when it was released, I still remember the Gramophone review. Parts of it could nearly be from Rachmaninov's vespers. Shows what happens when a talented composer is isolated in a regional marginal town (Grenoble IIRC) with little access to the hip trends of the court.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 13, 2011, 12:10:23 AM
Quote from: The new erato on November 09, 2011, 11:33:55 PM
This disc astounded reviewers when it was released, I still remember the Gramophone review. Parts of it could nearly be from Rachmaninov's vespers. Shows what happens when a talented composer is isolated in a regional marginal town (Grenoble IIRC) with little access to the hip trends of the court.

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As erato noted, Guillaume Bouzignac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Bouzignac) is a special case.

It took a few listening to decide what to make of this recording. His approach is very much his own: a mixture of a retro late 16th century style, hightend by a dramatic emphasis on the text - an influence of the Italian madraglism - and other techniques like the dialogue form, pitting two singers or a singer and a chorus against each other and sudden shifts in musical textures and tempo. The main issue, for me is musical fragmentation. Many raving reviewers call it a mosaique approach. I think it does not always work, sometimes it sounds forced and disconnected, sometimes the special effect Bouzignax seeked works. It's different and refreshing, sounding very modern at times. But his music can also sound erratic and incohesive, with musical ideas unsufficiently crafted and shortlived. A recording with many highs and some lows. A beautiful performance by Christie and Schneebeli who refrain from making this music sound more polished than it is and give way to the dramatic effects Bouzignac wanted. Boy sopranos are used, always a nice touch.

A fragment of Bruno Giordano's comments:

QuoteThe works described as "dialogue motets" in the program notes could just as easily be considered "call and response." The "lack of homogeneity" and the "text fragmentation" discussed in those program notes sound to me extremely prophetic of the directions taken by 20th C composers of choral music. In effect, I'm hearing Bouzignac as a composer so far outside his own era in style that by serendipity he speaks eloquently to our modern sensibilities.

Whether you buy my notions or not, this is an exciting and unique CD. William Christie, the most insightful of French Baroque advocates, has combined his own Les Arts Florissantes ensemble with the viola da gamba ensemble Orlando Gibbons and the choir Les Pages de la Chapelle for this recording, in which the choir is predominant but the soloists essential at expressive moments. The gamba pieces sound quite squarely in the tradition of gamba quintets dating back to the English gentry composers of the 17th C, but the choral music is wildly different from baroque genres - highly dramatic, pictorial, not at all symmetrical or repetitive. If you have any lurking prejudices to the effect that all baroque music sounds the same, Bouzignac will jostle your taste.

Full review HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Bouzignac-Te-Deum-Motets-Guillaume/product-reviews/B000FDFO12/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending).

The Gramophone review:

QuoteIf, by any chance, you should think that with another disc of French seventeenth-century church music from Les Arts Florissants you know what to expect, think again. Bouzignac is quite definitely, quite splendidly, different. Try Units ex vobis on your friends and see if they can tell what century it comes from, let alone what country (its lugubrious dialogue between Christ and his disciples actually sounds more like something from the Russian Orthodox Church). This is music that abandons itself to its text in as absolute and direct a way as you are ever likely to encounter in the baroque period, and the results are sometimes gripping, sometimes haunting, and sometimes both. I, for one, will find it hard to forget the extraordinary sound of a solo tenor calling out as Pilate, "Ecco homo"—"Behold the man! Shall I crucify your king?"—and the starkly chordal answer of the chorus: "Crucify him!". The means of expression are boldly simple, their effect (especially when Pilate makes his final pianissimo enquiry, "What evil has he done?") devastating. But that is not all. Bouzignac knew his counterpoint; he could write in joyous, celebratory vein, rather like a lightfooted Gabrieli (Jubilate Deo); and there is also music of aching beauty—In pace in idipsum should be enough to melt anyone into their chair.

If the music comes as a surprise, the performances, too, are different from what you might have expected. Predictable, of course, is the way Christie marries an acute sense of drama to a sensitivity to words and to the music's lyrical qualities that few of today's baroque conductors can match. What is unusual for him, though, is that (for the first time, I think) he uses boy sopranos; their singing is hardly in the polished Arts Florissants mould, but it does square nicely with this music's straightforward mode of communication. I could write a lot more on the merits of this disc, but actually a much better idea would be for you to go out and buy it for yourself.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 14, 2011, 09:13:37 AM
Just listen to this wonderful Couperin from Madeleine de Valmalète.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BLBP-294JP0



and here

http://www.youtube.com/v/frMwVnh40eg



and elsewhere. From a Tahra CD which I guess I'll have to buy now:

(http://images.productserve.com/preview/205/33871982.jpg)

French articulation is great in Baroque music. There's also this Marcel Meyer, maybe a bit less inspired, but I haven't given it the attention it deserves, maybe.



http://www.youtube.com/v/1nIFs1R-6CY
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 15, 2011, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 09, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
. . .  and my idea of his style convinces me, that he never would have made so many changes of registration other than using a few echo effects.

I wonder if stylish ( ;)) Couperin gives the performer more leeway about things like registration than other baroque composers. In L'art de Toucher he writes 'C'est que nous écrivons différemment de ce que nous exécutons  and il y en a aussi une infinie entre la tablature et la façon de bien-jouer "what we write isn't the same as what we play" and  "there is an infinite distance between scores and good playing"


It's quite striking how differently Landowska sounds from Verlet, and how each of those sound so different from Egida Giodani Sartori.

Of course you may say that there is an infinate distance between scores and good playing in Bach. Infinite is vague.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 27, 2011, 04:40:17 AM
Any opinions on Elizabeth Farr? She has Balbastre, D'Anglebert and de La Guerre discs at MDT Naxos clearance sale. I'm mostly interested in Balbastre.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 27, 2011, 05:04:00 AM
Quote from: Drasko on November 27, 2011, 04:40:17 AM
Any opinions on Elizabeth Farr? She has Balbastre, D'Anglebert and de La Guerre discs at MDT Naxos clearance sale. I'm mostly interested in Balbastre.

Not familiar with Farr, though sofar when sampling she never sounded quite mandatory to me.

On the Balbastre I could recommend Meyerson's mixed harpsichord/fortepiano set - still a steal at jpc (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Claude-Balbastre-1727-1799-St%FCcke-f%FCr-Klavier-Cembalo/hnum/8760921)!

On my wish list are also the two single discs on harpsichord by Jean Patrice Brosse (Pierre Vérany) - they sounded interesting to me.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 27, 2011, 08:08:04 AM
Quote from: Drasko on November 27, 2011, 04:40:17 AM
Any opinions on Elizabeth Farr? She has Balbastre, D'Anglebert and de La Guerre discs at MDT Naxos clearance sale. I'm mostly interested in Balbastre.

Well, I own the Balbastre & D'Anglebert 2-discs sets w/ Farr - no complaints and purchases based on some great reviews - I thought I also had the de La Guerre, but only a single disc by another performer; might have to add to my 'wish list' - Farr seems to do well in this French genre, although I must say that her 3-CD Byrd offering is just superb.

She does not seem to do as well or receive the universal praise w/ her Bach - will be interested in others' opinions!  Dave :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on November 27, 2011, 08:16:39 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on November 27, 2011, 08:08:04 AM
Well, I own the Balbastre & D'Anglebert 2-discs sets w/ Farr - no complaints and purchases based on some great reviews - I thought I also had the de La Guerre, but only a single disc by another performer; might have to add to my 'wish list' - Farr seems to do well in this French genre, although I must say that her 3-CD Byrd offering is just superb.

She does not seem to do as well or receive the universal praise w/ her Bach - will be interested in others' opinions!  Dave :)

Dave,   Does Elizabeth Farr only record for Naxos?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 27, 2011, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on November 27, 2011, 08:16:39 AM
Dave,   Does Elizabeth Farr only record for Naxos?

Hi Stuart - well, if you search on her in Amazon, the Naxos label seems to be about it for recent recordings - maybe she has some older releases on other labels?  Not sure, plus don't know if she has (or chooses) an exclusive contract w/ that company at the moment.

Her bio HERE (http://music.colorado.edu/faculty/elizabeth-farr/) from the University of Coloradoi], where she is professor of Early Music (organ/harpsichord) - Dave :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on November 27, 2011, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on November 27, 2011, 08:27:14 AM
Hi Stuart - well, if you search on her in Amazon, the Naxos label seems to be about it for recent recordings - maybe she has some older releases on other labels?  Not sure, plus don't know if she has (or chooses) an exclusive contract w/ that company at the moment.

Her bio HERE (http://music.colorado.edu/faculty/elizabeth-farr/) from the University of Colorad, where she is professor of Early Music (organ/harpsichord) - Dave :)

I also have a few of her CD's on keyboard works by French composers ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on December 28, 2011, 03:28:16 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xYTvfM6nL._SS500_.jpg)  (http://www.paolaerdas.it/grafica/denis.jpg)

A new 2CD set of harpsichord music by Louis Couperin, uncle of François. Christophe Rousset plays a Louis Denis, Paris, 1658. The composition of the suites has puzzled me before. In the booklet it is explained how this comes about: at the time for a performance various separate movements could be interchangeably put together to form a suite, even music by different composers! There are three sources of Louis Couperin's harpsichord music. The Bauyn manuscript is the most authoritative, because it is the oldest and most inclusive. Rousset followed the alternative arrangements of the suites in the later Parville manuscript, naturally replacing the mvts by other composers.

How does it sound. Well, it's a huge success, really. :) Though Rousset shows his usual strong rhythmic pulse and controle, this is not played in a "flashy" way, but in a more grand, stately manner, adhering to the more "formal" nature of the early French Baroque. The sound of the instrument is focused and firm, "woody" yet bright. Rousset's approach is strong and probing and very expressive - yet he never overdoes it and it sounds all perfectly natural. I compared with Noëlle Spieth's recordings - I own two discs with reissues on Accord/Universal France of her complete survey on former Addès, a subsidiary of then still independent Accord. Spieth's interpretations are more gentile, more flowing with a brighter mood to it. Her instrument's sound is more plush, less focused. So is the recording, which is more recessed. All in all Spieth's Louis Couperin sounds more generic. Rousset gives the music it's own individual face - and it is an portrayal the concurs with my impression of Louis Couperin that I got from Davitt Moroney's recording of the organ works. I still need to find Morney's recording of the complete harpsichord music...

Strongly recommended - a truly superb set. My only regret is that Rousset instead of six suites didn't record eight suites, like there are on the two Spieth discs I have, or ther complete works...

BTW listening to Rousset's recording I (again) realized that Louis was a real genius - the uncrowned king of early French Baroque, as far as I am concerned.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: TheGSMoeller on December 28, 2011, 04:36:59 AM
. [asin]B005R48VVE[/asin]


Rameau on accordion, it's delicious. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Karl Henning on December 28, 2011, 05:31:24 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on December 28, 2011, 03:28:16 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xYTvfM6nL._SS500_.jpg) (http://www.janas-ensemble.it/grafica/denis.jpg)

A new 2CD set of harpsichord music by Louis Couperin, uncle of François. Christophe Rousset plays a Louis Denis, Paris, 1658. The composition of the suites has puzzled me before. In the booklet it is explained how this comes about: at the time for a performance various separate movements could be interchangeably put together to form a suite, even music by different composers! There are three sources of Louis Couperin's harpsichord music. The Bauyn manuscript is the most authoritative, because it is the oldest and most inclusive. Rousset followed the alternative arrangements of the suites in the later Parville manuscript, naturally replacing the mvts by other composers.

How does it sound. Well, it's a huge success, really. :) Though Rousset shows his usual strong rhythmic pulse and controle, this is not played in a "flashy" way, but in a more grand, stately manner, adhering to the more "formal" nature of the early French Baroque. The sound of the instrument is focused and firm, "woody" yet bright. Rousset's approach is strong and probing and very expressive - yet he never overdoes it and it sounds all perfectly natural. I compared with Noëlle Spieth's recordings - I own two discs with reissues on Accord/Universal France of her complete survey on former Addès, a subsidiary of then still independent Accord. Spieth's interpretations are more gentile, more flowing with a brighter mood to it. Her instrument's sound is more plush, less focused. So is the recording, which is more recessed. All in all Spieth's Louis Couperin sounds more generic. Rousset gives the music it's own individual face - and it is an portrayal the concurs with my impression of Louis Couperin that I got from Davitt Moroney's recording of the organ works. I still need to find Morney's recording of the complete harpsichord music...

Strongly recommended - a truly superb set. My only regret is that Rousset instead of six suites didn't record eight suites, like there are on the two Spieth discs I have, or ther complete works...

BTW listening to Rousset's recording I (again) realized that Louis was a real genius - the uncrowned king of early French Baroque, as far as I am concerned.

Q

My buddy Paul played (IIRC) a Passecaille by Louis, which is splendid.  At some point I need to fetch this in . . . .
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Karl Henning on December 28, 2011, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 28, 2011, 05:31:24 AM
My buddy Paul played (IIRC) a Passecaille by Louis, which is splendid.  At some point I need to fetch this in . . . .

Two Passacailles, in fact. (http://www.godoymusic.com/images/frenchbaroquerecorderprogram.pdf)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on December 28, 2011, 03:12:39 PM
The recording that made me an instant Louis Couperin fan was Leonhardt's DHM recital, still one of my favorite harpsichord discs. It's been reissued recently:

[asin]B0030BYU5W[/asin]

That said, above mentioned Rousset set is on very top of my purchase list.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on December 29, 2011, 01:11:44 AM
And then there is this new kid on the block. I noticed it on premont's exceptionally long purchases list...  8) For some reason I never warmed up to Richard Egarr - I'm very curious how he does here.

[asin]B00506PH9S[/asin]

Q

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on December 29, 2011, 07:34:32 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on December 28, 2011, 03:28:16 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xYTvfM6nL._SS500_.jpg) (http://www.janas-ensemble.it/grafica/denis.jpg)

A new 2CD set of harpsichord music by Louis Couperin, uncle of François. Christophe Rousset plays a Louis Denis, Paris, 1658. The composition of the suites has puzzled me before. In the booklet it is explained how this comes about: at the time for a performance various separate movements could be interchangeably put together to form a suite, even music by different composers! There are three sources of Louis Couperin's harpsichord music. The Bauyn manuscript is the most authoritative, because it is the oldest and most inclusive. Rousset followed the alternative arrangements of the suites in the later Parville manuscript, naturally replacing the mvts by other composers.

How does it sound. Well, it's a huge success, really. :) Though Rousset shows his usual strong rhythmic pulse and controle, this is not played in a "flashy" way, but in a more grand, stately manner, adhering to the more "formal" nature of the early French Baroque. The sound of the instrument is focused and firm, "woody" yet bright. Rousset's approach is strong and probing and very expressive - yet he never overdoes it and it sounds all perfectly natural. I compared with Noëlle Spieth's recordings - I own two discs with reissues on Accord/Universal France of her complete survey on former Addès, a subsidiary of then still independent Accord. Spieth's interpretations are more gentile, more flowing with a brighter mood to it. Her instrument's sound is more plush, less focused. So is the recording, which is more recessed. All in all Spieth's Louis Couperin sounds more generic. Rousset gives the music it's own individual face - and it is an portrayal the concurs with my impression of Louis Couperin that I got from Davitt Moroney's recording of the organ works. I still need to find Morney's recording of the complete harpsichord music...

Strongly recommended - a truly superb set. My only regret is that Rousset instead of six suites didn't record eight suites, like there are on the two Spieth discs I have, or ther complete works...

BTW listening to Rousset's recording I (again) realized that Louis was a real genius - the uncrowned king of early French Baroque, as far as I am concerned.

Q

I'm just a huge fan of the Skip Sempe recording:
(http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/fa/bc/0010bcfa_medium.jpeg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on December 30, 2011, 12:16:20 AM
Quote from: milk on December 29, 2011, 07:34:32 AM
I'm just a huge fan of the Skip Sempe recording:
(http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/fa/bc/0010bcfa_medium.jpeg)

I have that recording too, and it is a fantastic one. Anyone seeking a single disc does not have to look further. Sempé's playing is in fact how I expected Rousset's to be. And indeed their respective approaches are very similar. Yet Sempé is more rich and indulgent, with a corespondent soundstage provided by the harpsichord he uses, a copy after a French model by Bruce Kennedy. More leisurely, more embellished - a kind of Louis Couperin de luxe. Rousset is, relatively speaking, more sober and pronounced, has a stronger rhythmic pulse and focuses a bit more on the longer lines. The music comes across as with a stronger emotional effect - at least to me. Whether this is Rousset maturing as an artist or his response to L. Couperin's musical world of the early Baroque, I don't know.

Meanwhile I went through the samples of the Richard Egarr set. With four disc, clicking "play all" at Amazon provides some idea about the recording. It does not sound entirely steeped in the French harpsichord traditon, in the way he uses hesitations, the way he deals with the dance rhythms. Stylistically it sounds to my ears neither here nor there. :o As someone's view from outside the tradition. Quite laboreous and fussy. Impressive instrument(s) BTW, similar soundstage to Rousset. Of course, these are just impressions based on the samples - I will await premont's verdict with eagerness! :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on December 31, 2011, 12:20:20 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on December 30, 2011, 12:16:20 AM
I have that recording too, and it is a fantastic one. Anyone seeking a single disc does not have to look further. Sempé's playing is in fact how I expected Rousset's to be. And indeed their respective approaches are very similar. Yet Sempé is more rich and indulgent, with a corespondent soundstage provided by the harpsichord he uses, a copy after a French model by Bruce Kennedy. More leisurely, more embellished - a kind of Louis Couperin de luxe. Rousset is, relatively speaking, more sober and pronounced, has a stronger rhythmic pulse and focuses a bit more on the longer lines. The music comes across as with a stronger emotional effect - at least to me. Whether this is Rousset maturing as an artist or his response to L. Couperin's musical world of the early Baroque, I don't know.

Meanwhile I went through the samples of the Richard Egarr set. With four disc, clicking "play all" at Amazon provides some idea about the recording. It does not sound entirely steeped in the French harpsichord traditon, in the way he uses hesitations, the way he deals with the dance rhythms. Stylistically it sounds to my ears neither here nor there. :o As someone's view from outside the tradition. Quite laboreous and fussy. Impressive instrument(s) BTW, similar soundstage to Rousset. Of course, these are just impressions based on the samples - I will await premont's verdict with eagerness! :)

Q
I've never been able to get into Egarr's recordings - though I'm not as musically astute as you are so I can't say exactly why. I'm so attached to the Sempe recording that I haven't been able to open my ears to Rousset. Maybe it's something I can remedy in the new year. I wonder why Sempe hasn't released more solo harpsichord recordings - and never a recording of any of Bach's complete sets. I guess he's focused on his chamber groups. Anyway, I have to say that I'm really enthralled with L. Couperin. F is the more accomplished composer I suppose, but I don't feel the same connection with him as I do to Louis. Anyway, there's been no mention of Van Asperen yet. I bought this recording to complement the Sempe. I have enjoyed it a lot.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eTOV9KvAL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on December 31, 2011, 12:26:52 AM
I'm a real layman when it comes to music. Is it correct to say that French music is atmospheric, from Gaultier and Gallot and L. Couperin right through to Debussy? Is this a French trait? Or am I overstating it?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on December 31, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
Depends upon what you mean by athmospheric....

I find almost all French music to focus more on the pure sensuousness of sound and joy in the small details, than on the public declaration of Italian music or sheer rigour and structure of German music. All music to some degree follows one of these three "schools"

Extremely simply put of course. And easy to shoot down with counterexamples, but as broad generalisations, 40 years of listening has convinced me this is generally true.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on December 31, 2011, 01:27:59 AM
Quote from: The new erato on December 31, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
Depends upon what you mean by athmospheric....

I find almost all French music to focus more on the pure sensuousness of sound and joy in the small details, than on the public declaration of Italian music or sheer rigour and structure of German music. All music to some degree follows one of these three "schools"

Extremely simply put of course. And easy to shoot down with counterexamples, but as broad generalisations, 40 years of listening has convinced me this is generally true.
"Simply put" maybe...but better than I could have.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 07, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dmoNJCt0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

This Clerambault recording is simply ravishing! :o



Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 12, 2012, 10:45:41 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on December 29, 2011, 01:11:44 AM
And then there is this new kid on the block. I noticed it on premont's exceptionally long purchases list...  8) For some reason I never warmed up to Richard Egarr - I'm very curious how he does here.

[asin]B00506PH9S[/asin]

Q

This recording is sublime. I am new to Louis Couperin. Wow, these pieces for harpsichord are a wonder to  behold.

I am fast becoming a fan of Richard Egarr. I love, LOVE the sound of his harpsichord/s in these recordings.  The warm, resonate beauty of clarity and atmosphere takes me away. I also love his account of the Goldberg Variations.

8)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 13, 2012, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: Leo K on January 12, 2012, 10:45:41 AM
This recording is sublime. I am new to Louis Couperin. Wow, these pieces for harpsichord are a wonder to  behold.

I am fast becoming a fan of Richard Egarr. I love, LOVE the sound of his harpsichord/s in these recordings.  The warm, resonate beauty of clarity and atmosphere takes me away. I also love his account of the Goldberg Variations.

8)

Again, today, I am so impressed over this recording. The music is so detailed, delicate, and dreamy. I am transfixed.

8)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on January 15, 2012, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on December 29, 2011, 01:11:44 AM
And then there is this new kid on the block. I noticed it on premont's exceptionally long purchases list...  8) For some reason I never warmed up to Richard Egarr - I'm very curious how he does here.

[asin]B00506PH9S[/asin]

Q

I have not been a convinced Egarr fan until now, but this L.Couperin set will probably change that. I have listened to vol.4, and this is outstanding and more than enough to convince me of Egarr´s virtues. He has got the full control of the noble introvertness of the music and he has excellent nimble "embellishment-fingers", so vital in this music. He plays a harpsichord by Joel Katzman after an anonymous French instrument from 1652, probably by Jacquet. This instrument has a very clear and crisp sound, somewhat on the metallic side, and the meantone tuning a´= 392 adds very much to the interest. You may imagine, that the f sharp minor pavane sounds very special. The recorded sound is very present and engaging. So I am beginning to consider a purchase of his Froberger set on Globe.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on January 15, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
I have quite a number of recordings by Egarr, though none is solo performance.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 15, 2012, 10:32:41 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on January 15, 2012, 09:48:49 AM
I have not been a convinced Egarr fan until now, but this L.Couperin set will probably change that. I have listened to vol.4, and this is outstanding and more than enough to convince me of Egarr´s virtues. He has got the full control of the noble introvertness of the music and he has excellent nimble "embellishment-fingers", so vital in this music. He plays a harpsichord by Joel Katzman after an anonymous French instrument from 1652, probably by Jacquet. This instrument has a very clear and crisp sound, somewhat on the metallic side, and the meantone tuning a´= 392 adds very much to the interest. You may imagine, that the f sharp minor pavane sounds very special. The recorded sound is very present and engaging. So I am beginning to consider a purchase of his Froberger set on Globe.

Thanks for your thoughts Premont, I am currently enjoying Egarr's Froberger series, and it has similiar sensibilities with two wonderful sounding harpsichords, the back of the CD shows what he's playing:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uOwV-xxLL._SS400_.jpg)

I really appreciate that his harpsichord's are fitted with bird quills.

8)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 20, 2012, 03:23:56 PM
I'm really enjoying Scott Ross's Rameau set right now.

(http://www.clapia.com/sub/prodimg/9-16-zzs%20290.jpg)





Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on January 20, 2012, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: Leo K on January 15, 2012, 10:32:41 AM
Thanks for your thoughts Premont, I am currently enjoying Egarr's Froberger series, and it has similiar sensibilities with two wonderful sounding harpsichords, the back of the CD shows what he's playing:

I really appreciate that his harpsichord's are fitted with bird quills.

I have already taken the step to order Egarr´s Froberger set. It is in backorder, so I do not know, when I get it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on January 21, 2012, 05:17:21 AM
Continuing my listening to Richard Egarr´s Louis Couperin set with vol. 1. This confirms my former positive impression. Some may find Egarr a little laid back, but I recognize his interpretation as being meditative and thoughtful. A must for every lover of French baroQUE harpsichord music.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on January 21, 2012, 07:19:54 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on January 21, 2012, 05:17:21 AM
Continuing my listening to Richard Egarr´s Louis Couperin set with vol. 1. This confirms my former positive impression. Some may find Egarr a little laid back, but I recognize his interpretation as being meditative and thoughtful. A must for every lover of French baroQUE harpsichord music.
Well, maybe I'll have to get my hands on this. I would like to, once again, put in my vote for Van Asperen's and Skip Sempé's respective Couperin discs.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 22, 2012, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on August 07, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Did you get it? I hope you like it! :)


Anyway,  I've been occupied with a (for me) new French Baroque composer, Nicolas (Antoine) Lebègue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Leb%C3%A8gue) (c. 1631 – 1702). To place Lebègue in the French harpsichord lineage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_harpsichordists): he came after Jacques Champion de Chambonnières and Louis Couperin, and his collection of harpsichord was the first to be published after that of De Chambonnières. Students of Lebègue include François d'Agincour (previously discussed HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg440842.html#msg440842)) and Nicolas Grigny. I also got a recording of Lebègue's 1st organ book (he was a celebrated organist), on which later. But it helped me to form an image of this composer.

Lebègue has not the frivolity of his teacher Chambonnières, pieces have no mysterious nicknames but formal names like Prelude, Allemande, Courante, etc. The music also sounds more formal in a way - I hear some Italian influence here and there (Frescobaldi?) - though Lebègue seems less focused on intellectual rigour than Louis Couperin but more on longer melodic lines and harmonic treatment. The end result is are sober but bright and melodic pieces, expressively played. Though Lebègue's music may not reach the heights of either De Chambonnières or Louis Couperin, I enjoyed this disc very much and would recommend it to those who want to delve deeper into the French harpsichord tradition - like me. :)

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The disc contains the complete works for harpsichord in two Books, the 1st from 1677 and the 2nd from 1687. They were published in Amsterdam and were known throughout Europe.

Canadian Bibiane Lapointe studied with Scott Ross and Ton Koopman. She is part of the French Baroque ensemble "Les Cyclopes" and sounds like an excellent harpsichordist. She plays here a double-manual harpschord by Bruce Kennedy after French 17th c. models.

Q

Que, thanks so much for this recommendation. This Lebeque disk is ravishing with evocative music and performance! Love the sound of the harpsichord too!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on January 22, 2012, 12:09:25 PM
Quote from: milk on January 21, 2012, 07:19:54 AMI would like to, once again, put in my vote for Van Asperen's and Skip Sempé's respective Couperin discs.

Seconded.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on January 22, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
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Has anyone heard this amazing recording? I am struck by the solemn beauty of this work, with fine, nuanced singing and playing, captured in excellant sound quality.

Some more info...

QuotePierre Bouteiller (c.1655 - 1717), a French composer. Little is known of this composer: born around 1655, he began as a maître de chapelle in Troyes before moving on to Paris as "a player of the viol and other musical instruments." He left only thirteen petits motets and a requiem mass, collected by Sébastien de Brossard. The traditional, sober and sometimes austere polyphonic writing of the masses by Cosset and Bouteiller contrast nicely with both the plainsong and the enticing, occasionally Italianate inflections found in the petits motets by French musicians of the time.

Missa pro defunctis: Requiem pour voix d'hommes was preserved after his death by the composer Sébastien de Brossard, whose Italianate Stabat Mater, along with various instrumental Méditations and an improvised Elévation for organ, completes Hervé Niquet's reconstructed Requiem Mass.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/reviews/album-pierre-bouteiller-requie

Requiem pour Voix d'Hommes contains:
1. Prélude
2. Requiem Aeternam
3. Te Decet Hymnus
4. Requiem Aeternam
5. Méditation
6. Kyrie 1
7. Christe
8. Kyrie 2
9. Si Ambulem
10. Virga Tua
11. Offertorium
12. Offertoire
13. Méditation
14. Sanctus
15. Élévation
16. Elevatio: Pie Jesu
17. Élévation
18. Agnus Dei
19. Méditation
20. Postcommunio: Lux Aeterna
Source: booklet of cd Glossa GCD 921621 




Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Antoine Marchand on January 22, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: milk on January 21, 2012, 07:19:54 AM
Well, maybe I'll have to get my hands on this. I would like to, once again, put in my vote for Van Asperen's and Skip Sempé's respective Couperin discs.

The day when I knew about the death of Gustav Leonhardt, I listened to several discs by him. One specially moving was his Louis Couperin's disc Suites & Pavane (DHM) which ends with the great funeral piece "Tombeau de Monsieur Blancrocher". It's included in the Sony Jubilee Edition.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 03, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
Quote from: Antoine Marchand on January 22, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
The day when I knew about the death of Gustav Leonhardt, I listened to several discs by him. One specially moving was his Louis Couperin's disc Suites & Pavane (DHM) which ends with the great funeral piece "Tombeau de Monsieur Blancrocher". It's included in the Sony Jubilee Edition.

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I'm going to have to listen to the above recording ASAP.

I am currently listening to this disk of the Couperin's:

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This recording is a wonder of insightful performances, with nuance that explores the whole spectrum of thought and musical development, with poise, diginity, and drive.


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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 05, 2012, 10:09:22 AM
Currently exploring Jacques Duphly's work, and totally enchanted. The set I own is from the mid 90s, played by Yannick Le Gaillard and he is more than capaple of giving us a taste of the riches of Duphly. This set is very OOP and I can't even find a picture of the cover.

Anyways, the French Harpsichord school is so rewarding as to defy description.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 05, 2012, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on August 20, 2010, 07:30:20 AM
Need... more... Duphly!

I have just spent a wonderful time with the disc containing "masterpieces of French harpsichord music (http://www.amazon.com/Masterpieces-French-Harpsichord-Music-Leonhardt/dp/B000001TZW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1282317188&sr=1-5)," played by Gustav Leonhardt, containing music by Rameau, Royer, Le Roux and Duphly. (CD No. 9 in the 80th Anniversary box (http://www.amazon.com/Gustav-Leonhardt-Jubilee-Box-Set/dp/B00186JBT6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1282317205&sr=1-5).) It was not the first time I listened to the disc; however, during the last hour I was smitten with the music, especially those by Royer and Duphly. Let anyone who thinks Baroque repertoire is only good for being wallpaper music listen to these pieces, which are filled with more than mere twanging of the harpsichord. I think I'll be listening to this disc like I do to Schubert's impromptus.

Wowza...your comments on this disk is right on.

I love Leonhardt's treatment of Rameau too!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on February 10, 2012, 02:58:05 AM
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I've just acquired this recording. So far so good.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 14, 2012, 01:55:06 PM
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Wow! I'm flabbergasted over Lully's music, especially his opera. The contrast between early French opera and Italian operia seria is fascinating. It's going to be a French baroque year!

I need more!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on February 15, 2012, 02:59:06 AM
Quote from: Leo K on February 14, 2012, 01:55:06 PM
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Wow! I'm flabbergasted over Lully's music, especially his opera. The contrast between early French opera and Italian operia seria is fascinating. It's going to be a French baroque year!

I need more!

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Two great recordings. I have a very sweet spot for Lully. See if you can dig up Minkowski's Acis e Galate on Archiv and the other Stubbs disc on cpo, too. There's a Hugo Reyne box set of 5 operas as well (on Accent????); used to be cheaply available, and Niquets Proserpine on Glossa is very worthwhile also.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on February 15, 2012, 03:00:49 AM
And how could I forget this great recording:

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Now, run!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on February 15, 2012, 03:55:38 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 15, 2012, 02:59:06 AM
There's a Hugo Reyne box set of 5 operas as well (on Accent????); used to be cheaply available

Accord (4 works - 2 operas strictly speaking), not so cheap anymore but still quite affordable at about 40 euros, I believe.

It is excellent time for discovering Lully, as with Bellerophon all of his operas had been recorded. Some of the best are out of the print at the moment unfortunately (Roland and Herreweghe's Armide, also Phaeton, Alceste), but there is still huge wealth to explore.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 18, 2012, 05:55:47 AM
Thanks Erato and Drasko for the Lully recommends! I have aquired Thesee and will have my first listen this afternoon  8)

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 18, 2012, 06:09:31 AM
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I'd like to mention this amazing 2 disk set, which I bought on iTunes (the recording appears unavailable on US Amazon).

I've never heard of Louis-Claude Daquin (1694-1772), but his music is Rococco at it's best! The recording is the complete works for keyboard. The fourth suite includes a divertissement entitled "Les Plaisirs de la chasse" and the keyboard is accompanied by chamber instruments. Some of the organ Noels include orchestral accompaniment. The harpsichord suites are dreamy and full of charm, the organ works are incredible in virtuosity and beauty. Olivier Baumont has absolutely wonderful technique on the keyboard. I see why he is so highly praised around these parts.

A search in this board shows Daquin is mentioned by Que in an organ masters thread. Perhaps others have heard the above recording. Highly recommended if you have an iTunes gift card to use (like I did) or are serious about the smaller masters of the French harpsichord school!


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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Geo Dude on February 19, 2012, 01:07:26 AM
Discobole:  Welcome to the forum and thank you for that post.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 19, 2012, 05:57:09 AM
Quote from: Geo Dude on February 19, 2012, 01:07:26 AM
Discobole:  Welcome to the forum and thank you for that post.

I second that...and welcome Discobole!

I agree on Sophie Watillon's Marais recording, a truly stunning recording. I had not heard she has passed prematurely. Very sad to hear.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on February 20, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: Discobole on February 18, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
- For Louis Couperin, Leonhardt has already been discussed in this thread. My favorite CD is the following, one of his most recent (and last ones). The Passacaille is one absolute moment of grace in music. Then I would recommend Skip Sempé's latest CD on L.C., on alpha too.

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Welcome Discobole.

Your comment made me play the Sempe's CD today. There's  a lovely thing called "Prélude à l'imitation de M. Froberger" which actually really got under my skin. A lovely performance of some very haunting and beautiful  music.

Anyway, I enjoyed the Sempe CD a lot -- more that I'd expected to. Apart from his work on transferring Landowska's recordings,  I only knew him before from the Scarlatti  CD (the one called Duende) , and a CD of Bach's music, But I enjoyed that Couperin CD rather more than either of those, so thanks for drawing my attention to it.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 25, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Starting on Lully's Thesee (on CPO) this afternoon. I continue to be impressed with Lully.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on February 25, 2012, 11:25:37 AM
I also want to highlight this magnificant recording:

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Harpsichord suites of Charles Noblet (1715-1759) played by Charlotte Mattox Moersch (harpsichord after Nicholas Blanchet, Paris ca.1720 by Willard Martin).




Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on March 10, 2012, 07:41:43 AM
Les Demoiselles de Saint Cyr have made a very good record of Francois Couperin's Leçons de ténèbres which I've been enjoying. One thing they do very well is make the words sound meaningful: they're good with words. The Hebrew letters are sung with great purity -- but lots of people do that bit well. These demoiselles do a particularly good job in the texts from Jeremiah.

Another one I've liked a lot is an ancient one (from the 30s) with Hugues Cuénod -- just Leçon III. (he made a later recording which I've never gotten into.)  Cuénod's pre war record had a big impact on Stravinsky, and in fact prompted him to write a cantata for him.

Anyway I doubt anyone will regret checking out the Demoiselles singing Couperin. Or indeed Cuénod's pre war one.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 13, 2012, 12:06:45 AM
People who like Francois Couperin's harpsichord music -- have you tried Frédérick Haas's recordings? I found them on spotify and, quite frankly, they have been a major revelation. One reason is that he uses a wonderful sounding instrument with very full sound  and with a very firm bass. The result is that the lower voices become much more clear than normal and -- pow! you can hear FC's counterpoint -- lines of music weaving around each other causing incredible dissonances and rhythmic complexities. I really didn't know that FC's music is as good as this.

His website describes the instrument, a Hemsch of 1751. I'm tempted to get his Goldbergs, which are played on the same harpsichord.

In some ways he reminds me of Verlet, but I only know her FC from a recording of selections called "Les Barricades Mystérieuses" But I notice that more of her FC records are due to be republished next month through a label called Pid. I believe the 2 CD set will include Ordres 7, 8, 25, 26 and 27 (it's listed for pre-order on amazon)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 13, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 10, 2012, 07:41:43 AM
Les Demoiselles de Saint Cyr have made a very good record of Francois Couperin's Leçons de ténèbres which I've been enjoying.

If you like Les Demoiselles de Saint Cyr they have recorded beautiful disc of Nicolas Clerambault's chants and motets for Virgin.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on May 13, 2012, 05:06:11 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 13, 2012, 12:06:45 AM
People who like Francois Couperin's harpsichord music -- have you tried Frédérick Haas's recordings? I found them on spotify and, quite frankly, they have been a major revelation. One reason is that he uses a wonderful sounding instrument with very full sound  and with a very firm bass. The result is that the lower voices become much more clear than normal and -- pow! you can hear FC's counterpoint -- lines of music weaving around each other causing incredible dissonances and rhythmic complexities. I really didn't know that FC's music is as good as this.

His website describes the instrument, a Hemsch of 1751. I'm tempted to get his Goldbergs, which are played on the same harpsichord.

In some ways he reminds me of Verlet, but I only know her FC from a recording of selections called "Les Barricades Mystérieuses" But I notice that more of her FC records are due to be republished next month through a label called Pid. I believe the 2 CD set will include Ordres 7, 8, 25, 26 and 27 (it's listed for pre-order on amazon)
Thanks for your post. After reading it, I realized I had it but hadn't listened to it. Now I'm doing so. Yes, I'm moved by his performance. And the instrument sounds beautiful.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on May 13, 2012, 06:39:22 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 13, 2012, 12:06:45 AM
People who like Francois Couperin's harpsichord music -- have you tried Frédérick Haas's recordings? I found them on spotify and, quite frankly, they have been a major revelation. One reason is that he uses a wonderful sounding instrument with very full sound  and with a very firm bass. The result is that the lower voices become much more clear than normal and -- pow! you can hear FC's counterpoint -- lines of music weaving around each other causing incredible dissonances and rhythmic complexities. I really didn't know that FC's music is as good as this.

His website describes the instrument, a Hemsch of 1751. I'm tempted to get his Goldbergs, which are played on the same harpsichord.

In some ways he reminds me of Verlet, but I only know her FC from a recording of selections called "Les Barricades Mystérieuses" But I notice that more of her FC records are due to be republished next month through a label called Pid. I believe the 2 CD set will include Ordres 7, 8, 25, 26 and 27 (it's listed for pre-order on amazon)

I also thank you for your post, this is a Couperin recording I didn't know about. I will check this out!

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Discobole on May 13, 2012, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 13, 2012, 12:06:45 AM
People who like Francois Couperin's harpsichord music -- have you tried Frédérick Haas's recordings? I found them on spotify and, quite frankly, they have been a major revelation. One reason is that he uses a wonderful sounding instrument with very full sound  and with a very firm bass. The result is that the lower voices become much more clear than normal and -- pow! you can hear FC's counterpoint -- lines of music weaving around each other causing incredible dissonances and rhythmic complexities. I really didn't know that FC's music is as good as this.

His website describes the instrument, a Hemsch of 1751. I'm tempted to get his Goldbergs, which are played on the same harpsichord.

In some ways he reminds me of Verlet, but I only know her FC from a recording of selections called "Les Barricades Mystérieuses" But I notice that more of her FC records are due to be republished next month through a label called Pid. I believe the 2 CD set will include Ordres 7, 8, 25, 26 and 27 (it's listed for pre-order on amazon)

Yes, this instrument is THE Hemsch 1751 Frédérick Haas owns. Actually, his recordings are more interesting for this instrument than for Haas"s playing.
This harpsichord is a wonder. Its very particular sound is perfect for French music and comes from a pinch point situated unusually far. Hence this very soft and rich sonority.

You can find the same harpsichord played by Leonhardt on his very last CD (Forqueray) made available online (http://soundcloud.com/dvfilm/sets/gustav-leonhardt-the-bliss-and), and by Frisch on her Rameau album. These 2 albums are actually better recorded than the ones by Haas.
Haas plays the Hemsch 1751 on his new Goldbergs too.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 13, 2012, 07:18:15 AM
The Frisch Rameau CD is also on spotify so it's easy for me to listen to it : thanks for mentioning it. I have Leonhardt's Forqueray's CD.

Just  listening to Haas's Couperin has made me very interested in FC, and I have people coming at me left right and centre saying that I must, absolutely must,  listen to Noelle Spieth's Couperin CDs. But that's impossible -- as far as I can see they are only reasonably available in the UK through an amazon download, which I don't like. French people can download at a high quality through qobuz, but not UK people. Anyway, if anyone sees a way to get good quality files in the UK please let me know.

Has anyone heard Haas's Goldbergs CD?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 15, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: Discobole on May 13, 2012, 06:51:39 AM
Yes, this instrument is THE Hemsch 1751 Frédérick Haas owns. Actually, his recordings are more interesting for this instrument than for Haas"s playing.
This harpsichord is a wonder. Its very particular sound is perfect for French music and comes from a pinch point situated unusually far. Hence this very soft and rich sonority.

You can find the same harpsichord played by Leonhardt on his very last CD (Forqueray) made available online (http://soundcloud.com/dvfilm/sets/gustav-leonhardt-the-bliss-and), and by Frisch on her Rameau album. These 2 albums are actually better recorded than the ones by Haas.
Haas plays the Hemsch 1751 on his new Goldbergs too.

Thanks for mentioning Frisch's Rameau CD. I've listened to it a couple of times and I think it's well worth hearing. What do you think of the way she plays L'enharmonique -- so slowly and introspectively?  At first I thought that it was even slower than Sokolov takes it -- but I'm not sure. For me it's extremely beautiful, maybe too beautiful.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on May 16, 2012, 12:43:05 AM
For Lullistas out there, I strongly recommend this set:

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: chasmaniac on May 17, 2012, 02:22:45 AM
The sound alone of 2 bass viols playing together is worth the price of admission. Les Voix Humaines, Concerts a Deux Violes Esgales

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 17, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: chasmaniac on May 17, 2012, 02:22:45 AM
The sound alone of 2 bass viols playing together is worth the price of admission. Les Voix Humaines, Concerts a Deux Violes Esgales

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Yes I agree it's wonderful. I like Vol 3 most. I prefer it to Savall's record of Saint Colombe.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 17, 2012, 07:20:08 AM
I wonder if anyone shares my enthisiasm for this. Fuller, along with Gilbert, is probably my favourite Rameau player.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bumtz on May 17, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
Blandine Rannou playing Rameau is among my favorite harpsichord recordings! It is avaialble as a part of a budget Zig-Zag 5-CD box: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Celebration-10-Years-Zig-Zag/dp/B000WPJ7ES/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337284220&sr=1-1

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 17, 2012, 05:45:29 PM
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Just received this disc of Hewitt performing Rameau on piano, very exquisite sound and refined playing. Contrasts nicely with my Pinnock recording on harpsichord.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 17, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
Quote from: bumtz on May 17, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
Blandine Rannou playing Rameau is among my favorite harpsichord recordings! It is avaialble as a part of a budget Zig-Zag 5-CD box:

I very much agree, but that must be a single disc?  :) Here is the complete set of 4 discs:

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Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on May 18, 2012, 03:51:06 AM
Quote from: Que on May 17, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
I very much agree, but that must be a single disc?  :) Here is the complete set of 4 discs:

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Q
Her Pièces de clavecin en concerts (with ensemble) shown here is interesting. It has really grown on me after a few years of being stuck on Sonnierie. I'm still working on the solo harpsichord stuff. I first experienced these pieces through Kenneth Gilbert. Her's is so different. And the sound quality on the Gilbert recording is not fantastic, although I love his feel for the music. Rannou's harpsichord sounds brilliant.   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bumtz on May 18, 2012, 06:09:19 AM
Quote from: Que on May 17, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
I very much agree, but that must be a single disc?  :) Here is the complete set of 4 discs:

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Q

Well, I guess I now know what CD I'll be buying next.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 18, 2012, 07:43:05 AM
Quote from: milk on May 18, 2012, 03:51:06 AM
Her Pièces de clavecin en concerts (with ensemble) shown here is interesting. It has really grown on me after a few years of being stuck on Sonnierie. I'm still working on the solo harpsichord stuff. I first experienced these pieces through Kenneth Gilbert. Her's is so different. And the sound quality on the Gilbert recording is not fantastic, although I love his feel for the music. Rannou's harpsichord sounds brilliant.   


Somethimes I feel that the problem with Rameau performance has to do with being too beautiful. Compare Rannou and Leonhardt in L'enharmonique or the sarabande from the A minor Nouvelle Suite (pieces  which I'm very much intersted in.) Leonhardt  is much more meaningful for me, because there's more pain there,  less lyrical  beauty.

I feel quite strongly that the few pieces of solo Rameau that GL left are some of his most exciting contributions.

There's also an issue about flow in these slow pieces of music. In Leonhardt you don't hear the music as sewn together.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on May 18, 2012, 05:37:42 PM
Quote from: Que on May 17, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
I very much agree, but that must be a single disc?  :) Here is the complete set of 4 discs:

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Q

Q,  Thanks for the heads up on this set, which I bought last year at a great price ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on May 18, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2012, 07:43:05 AM

Somethimes I feel that the problem with Rameau performance has to do with being too beautiful. Compare Rannou and Leonhardt in L'enharmonique or the sarabande from the A minor Nouvelle Suite (pieces  which I'm very much intersted in.) Leonhardt  is much more meaningful for me, because there's more pain there,  less lyrical  beauty.

I feel quite strongly that the few pieces of solo Rameau that GL left are some of his most exciting contributions.

There's also an issue about flow in these slow pieces of music. In Leonhardt you don't hear the music as sewn together.
Thanks. I'm downloading these tracks per your recommendation.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 18, 2012, 10:37:47 PM
I hope you like it. Another piece by GL which I love is L'entretien des Muses.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on May 20, 2012, 05:39:27 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2012, 10:37:47 PM
I hope you like it. Another piece by GL which I love is L'entretien des Muses.
Yes, just comparing him to the Rannou (which I like), I feel there's an expansiveness to the Leonhardt. Leonhardt says what he wants to so succinctly (an objective comment?). I'm hearing rays of afternoon sunlight in Leonhardt (a subjective comment?). 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 20, 2012, 08:22:40 AM
Which version of L'entrtien des muses are you listening to? I have it by GL twice, once from 1962 (Teldec)  on a wonderful twangy instrument, and one from 1991 on DHM. The latter is more explansive -- over two minutes longer that the former. I like both.

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8e/5e/45f951c88da0dcaa7416e110.L._AA300_.jpg) (http://image.allmusic.com/00/acg/cov200/cm600/m682/m68230jifd6.jpg)

The harpsichord on the Teldec is just unbelievably gorgeous. The booklet says it's W. Rück Nürnberg 1956-1957 after Karl August Gräbner, Dresden 1782. If anyone knows more recordings on a similar sunding instrument please let me know  -- French, German, Italian, Spanish, British baroque, Poulenc . . .  I don't care.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on May 20, 2012, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2012, 07:43:05 AM

Somethimes I feel that the problem with Rameau performance has to do with being too beautiful. Compare Rannou and Leonhardt in L'enharmonique or the sarabande from the A minor Nouvelle Suite (pieces  which I'm very much intersted in.) Leonhardt  is much more meaningful for me, because there's more pain there,  less lyrical  beauty.

I feel quite strongly that the few pieces of solo Rameau that GL left are some of his most exciting contributions.

There's also an issue about flow in these slow pieces of music. In Leonhardt you don't hear the music as sewn together.

This is right on, and I agree wholeheartedly.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on May 21, 2012, 01:02:51 AM
Quote from: Leo K on May 20, 2012, 08:38:14 AM
This is right on, and I agree wholeheartedly.
I downloaded mine from the 80th Jubilee release. I wonder which it is. Maybe the newer one? Lately I've also been comparing Rannou to Gilbert. I really like the Gilbert a lot. I guess others can explain - if you know these recordings. Is it the singing quality of Gilbert's playing? It's quite an old recording: on "Archiv." His Gigues en Rondeau in D minor, La Follette, and Les Niais de Sologne are stirring. I've also been listening to Skip Sempe's Rameau (Rameau: La Pantomime - Pièces de clavecin). He does La Triomphante at breakneck speed. His performances with Olivier Fortin (two harpsichords) are a lot of fun, especially La Livri, La Cupis and La Coulicam (that is, if you want to be ensconced in harpsichords).   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 21, 2012, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: milk on May 21, 2012, 01:02:51 AM
I downloaded mine from the 80th Jubilee release. I wonder which it is. Maybe the newer one? Lately I've also been comparing Rannou to Gilbert. I really like the Gilbert a lot. I guess others can explain - if you know these recordings. Is it the singing quality of Gilbert's playing? It's quite an old recording: on "Archiv." His Gigues en Rondeau in D minor, La Follette, and Les Niais de Sologne are stirring. I've also been listening to Skip Sempe's Rameau (Rameau: La Pantomime - Pièces de clavecin). He does La Triomphante at breakneck speed. His performances with Olivier Fortin (two harpsichords) are a lot of fun, especially La Livri, La Cupis and La Coulicam (that is, if you want to be ensconced in harpsichords).

No it's the earlier one, the  one the twangy harpsichord. I like both the GL Rameau recordings but I think that the second one -- the one you don't have unfortunately -- is deeper, more probing, more revealing. 

There's some very good F. Couperin on that Teldec disc, preludes. I think I prefer F Couperin to Rameau. I'm not sure.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 24, 2012, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: milk on May 13, 2012, 05:06:11 AM
Thanks for your post. After reading it, I realized I had it but hadn't listened to it. Now I'm doing so. Yes, I'm moved by his performance. And the instrument sounds beautiful.

I've been listening to some records of Les Pavots, from the 27th order. I heard Scott Ross, Kenneth Gilbert, Olivier Beaumont and Angela Hewitt and Frederick  Haas. Haas seemed to be way way deeper than all the rest, very moving and really capturing something of the dreaminess you would want from a piece of music about opium.

I'm very interested in these late pieces by F. Couperin. If anyone has some suggestions for good records I'd be keen to follow them through. I still haven't heard Spieth: I'm going to try to download it when I'm next in France. Also Blandine Verlet's record of the 27th order should be available next month -- an essential purchase for me:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lK2T13EeL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on June 15, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
I wonder if someone can help me out.

I want to find the texts -- in Latin though preferably with a translation into either English or French -- of the selections from Lamentations which Couperin used in the  Leçons de ténèbres. But I just can't find this on line.

I've just downloaded the Rousset record with Gens and Piau and I want to start to listen. But one thing I've learned is that, for me, in baroque music, it really helps to follow the text.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: DieNacht on June 16, 2012, 12:33:25 AM
This one ?

http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Le%C3%A7ons_de_t%C3%A9n%C3%A8bres_(Fran%C3%A7ois_Couperin)


http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Lamentations_of_Jeremiah

The article on Couperin´s "Lecons" there
(link, apparently can´t be copied to here) specifies the selections he used.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on June 16, 2012, 03:19:26 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 15, 2012, 11:24:37 PM
I want to find the texts -- in Latin though preferably with a translation into either English or French -- of the selections from Lamentations which Couperin used in the  Leçons de ténèbres. But I just can't find this on line.

Get Hyperion's sleeve notes (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/cf1233aeeebf0444/66474-B.pdf) [direct link] to their recording of this work.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on June 16, 2012, 05:20:55 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on June 16, 2012, 03:19:26 AM
Get Hyperion's sleeve notes (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/cf1233aeeebf0444/66474-B.pdf) [direct link] to their recording of this work.

That looks promising but I can't see how to get to it. If I click on the link it just says that I have to navigate directly, and the same if I try to follow the link you used. I can't see where to click to get to their notes!

This is very tantalising.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on June 16, 2012, 05:26:50 AM
Quote from: DieNacht on June 16, 2012, 12:33:25 AM
This one ?

http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Le%C3%A7ons_de_t%C3%A9n%C3%A8bres_(Fran%C3%A7ois_Couperin)


http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Lamentations_of_Jeremiah

The article on Couperin´s "Lecons" there
(link, apparently can´t be copied to here) specifies the selections he used.

So he used Lamentations of Jeremiah. 1:1-5; 1:6-9; 1:10-13

That must be

Day 1

1:1 ALEPH. Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo! Facta est quasi vidua domina gentium; princeps provinciarum facta est sub tributo.
1:2 BETH. Plorans ploravit in nocte, et lacrimæ ejus in maxillis ejus: non est qui consoletur eam, ex omnibus caris ejus; omnes amici ejus spreverunt eam, et facti sunt ei inimici.
1:3 GHIMEL. Migravit Judas propter afflictionem, et multitudinem servitutis; habitavit inter gentes, nec invenit requiem: omnes persecutores ejus apprehenderunt eam inter angustias.
1:4 DALETH. Viæ Sion lugent, eo quod non sint qui veniant ad solemnitatem: omnes portæ ejus destructæ, sacerdotes ejus gementes; virgines ejus squalidæ, et ipsa oppressa amaritudine.
1:5 HE. Facti sunt hostes ejus in capite; inimici ejus locupletati sunt: quia Dominus locutus est super eam propter multitudinem iniquitatum ejus. Parvuli ejus ducti sunt in captivitatem ante faciem tribulantis.

Day 2

1:6 VAU. Et egressus est a filia Sion omnis decor ejus; facti sunt principes ejus velut arietes non invenientes pascua, et abierunt absque fortitudine ante faciem subsequentis.
1:7 ZAIN. Recordata est Jerusalem dierum afflictionis suæ, et prævaricationis, omnium desiderabilium suorum, quæ habuerat a diebus antiquis, cum caderet populus ejus in manu hostili, et non esset auxiliator: viderunt eam hostes, et deriserunt sabbata ejus.
1:8 HETH. Peccatum peccavit Hierusalem, propterea instabilis facta est: omnes qui glorificabant eam spreverunt illam: quia viderunt ignominiam eius: ipsa autem gemens et conversa retrorsum.
1:9 TETH. Sordes eius in pedibus eius: nec recordata est finis sui. Deposita est vehementer: non habens consolatorem. Vide Domine afflictionem meam: quoniam erectus est inimicus.

Day 3

1:10 IOD. Manum suam misit hostis ad omnia desiderabilia ejus, quia vidit gentes ingressas sanctuarium suum, de quibus præceperas ne intrarent in ecclesiam tuam.
1:11 CAPH. Omnis populus ejus gemens, et quærens panem; dederunt pretiosa quæque pro cibo ad refocillandam animam. Vide, Domine, et considera quoniam facta sum vilis!
1:12 LAMED. O vos omnes qui transitis per viam, attendite, et videte si est dolor sicut dolor meus! quoniam vindemiavit me, ut locutus est Dominus, in die iræ furoris sui.
1:13 MEM. De excelso misit ignem in ossibus meis et erudivit me: expandit rete pedibus meis: convertit me retrorsum: posuit me desolatam tota die maerore confectam.

Or in English

Day 1

1:1 ALEPH. How lonely sits the city that was full of people! How like a widow has she become, she that was great among the nations! She that was a princess among the cities has become a vassal.
1:2 BETH. She weeps bitterly in the night, tears on her cheeks; among all her lovers she has none to comfort her; all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they have become her enemies.
1:3 GHIMEL. Judah has gone into exile because of affliction and hard servitude; she dwells now among the nations, but finds no resting place; her pursuers have all overtaken her in the midst of her distress.
1:4 DALETH. The roads to Zion mourn, for none come to the appointed feasts; all her gates are desolate, her priests groan; her maidens have been dragged away, and she herself suffers bitterly.
1:5 HE. Her foes have become the head, her enemies prosper, because the LORD has made her suffer for the multitude of her transgressions; her children have gone away, captives before the foe.

Day 2

1:6 VAU. From the daughter of Zion has departed all her majesty. Her princes have become like harts that find no pasture; they fled without strength before the pursuer.
1:7 ZAIN. Jerusalem remembers in the days of her affliction and bitterness all the precious things that were hers from days of old. When her people fell into the hand of the foe, and there was none to help her, the foe gloated over her, mocking at her downfall.
1:8 HETH. Jerusalem sinned grievously, therefore she became filthy; all who honored her despise her, for they have seen her nakedness; yea, she herself groans, and turns her face away.
1:9 Her uncleanness was in her skirts; she took no thought of her doom; therefore her fall is terrible, she has no comforter. "O LORD, behold my affliction, for the enemy has triumphed!"

Day 3

1:10 IOD. The enemy has stretched out his hands over all her precious things; yea, she has seen the nations invade her sanctuary, those whom thou didst forbid to enter thy congregation.
1:11 CAPH. All her people groan as they search for bread; they trade their treasures for food to revive their strength. "Look, O LORD, and behold, for I am despised."
1:12 LAMED. "Is it nothing to you, all you who pass by? Look and see if there is any sorrow like my sorrow which was brought upon me, which the LORD inflicted on the day of his fierce anger."
1:13 MEM. "From on high he sent fire; into my bones he made it descend; he spread a net for my feet; he turned me back; he has left me stunned, faint all the day long.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: nico1616 on June 16, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
I do not find many opera recommendations here.

No one is better than Minkowski as conductor of French Baroque opera.
My favorites are
1. Platée - Rameau: one of the best opera recordings ever made and yes, opera can be funny :)
2. Dardanus - Rameau: a famous composer said there was enough music in this one for 10 operas
3. Mouret - Les Amours de Ragonde: don't let the cover put you off :D

Nico
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on June 16, 2012, 06:34:44 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 16, 2012, 05:20:55 AM
That looks promising but I can't see how to get to it. If I click on the link it just says that I have to navigate directly, and the same if I try to follow the link you used. I can't see where to click to get to their notes!

This is very tantalising.

I'm sorry, I forgot Hyperion's stringent policy on hot-linking to stuff on their servers. You can get it from the CD's page (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA66474).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on June 19, 2012, 11:54:35 AM
As far as Couperin's Leçons are concerned, what has been nice is that one recording from those I've heard really does shine out, and that's Deller's first with Harry Gabb. His voice is very beautiful and fresh   much more so than in the later record with Chapuis. The timbre is alien, other worldly, again more so than on Deller2. . It's a very spiritual, reflective interpretation, and his attention to the text is astonishing and very revealing. It really is a help to have the text so thanks for all the links posted here. Making the text meaningful  matters most to me so if you have other priorities then maybe Deller1 won't be for you. I can certainly imagine that some will find the slow tempos too much.

I should add that I've certainly not heard all recordings of it -- I have Leppard, Rousset, Les Demoiselles de Saint Cyr, all the records Cuenod made of it, two records with Deller. I've ordered Jacobs' record. I'm curious about Lesne (who seems to have recorded it twice -- I'm downloading both right now) and Kirkby/Hogwood.  I'm interested in this music.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on June 29, 2012, 06:15:50 AM
I wonder if anyone has checked this out:
(http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/005/277/0000527718_350.jpg)
I think it's a wonderful performance. And the instrument and sound quality are extraordinary!   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on July 05, 2012, 07:21:35 AM
Hantaï looks old!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2012, 12:28:30 AM
Blandine Verlet recorded the complete F Couperin harpsichord pieces for Astree in the mid to late 1080s. I only know it through the compilation CDs called Les barricades mystérieuses.
She's just published, over 25 years after, a new recording of five suites, mostly from very late works, but including a record of the 8th suite from Book 2.

What is interesting is the way her style has changed -- she now presents us with an F Couperin who seems  more reflective and introvert. Tempos are sometimes much are slower. The amount of variety she finds in the expression of the music -- in the 8th suite for example -- is astonishing. I don't like the new recording more than the parts of the old that I've heard. On the contrary,  it's made me feel inspired enough to  think I should start to collect all the 1980s F Couperin records she made. But I do think that this new record is really very interesting.



Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on July 05, 2012, 07:21:35 AM
Hantaï looks old!

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He looks like how he looked in when I saw him in Paris in April.

What do you think of Hantai?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on July 06, 2012, 01:21:52 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on July 06, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
What do you think of Hantai?

Haven't heard him. I know his GV is regarded highly in some quarters, and my image of him comes from that (Mirare) album's cover. Guess I misjudged his age. Anway, the CD posted above is soon to be released, and I thought it would interest the regulars of this thread. I'm slowly making my way through the French hpsd repertoire.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: TheGSMoeller on July 06, 2012, 02:48:33 AM
Quote from: nico1616 on June 16, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
I do not find many opera recommendations here.

No one is better than Minkowski as conductor of French Baroque opera.
My favorites are
1. Platée - Rameau: one of the best opera recordings ever made and yes, opera can be funny :)
2. Dardanus - Rameau: a famous composer said there was enough music in this one for 10 operas
3. Mouret - Les Amours de Ragonde: don't let the cover put you off :D

Nico

Good ones, Nico. That Platée recording is one of my most played Rameau discs. The Castor et Pollux recording on Naxos is also a good one, and if you don't have it yet, I recommend getting the aria disc with Jean-Paul Fouchecourt, also on Naxos.

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[asin]B000U7V9F8[/asin]
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2012, 03:55:54 AM
Which are the best records of L'apothéose de Lully? I'm enjoying London Baroque, partly because it comes with the descriptions of what the music represents before each piece and that seems to really add to the experience. Also when Apollo comes onto the scene I think their performances sound really noble.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: nico1616 on July 06, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 06, 2012, 02:48:33 AM
Good ones, Nico. That Platée recording is one of my most played Rameau discs. The Castor et Pollux recording on Naxos is also a good one, and if you don't have it yet, I recommend getting the aria disc with Jean-Paul Fouchecourt, also on Naxos.

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[asin]B000U7V9F8[/asin]

I have the Fouchécourt disc, a great souvenir to his performance as Platée in the Flemish opera in 1999 :)
I only own the Castor et Pollux recording of William Christie and I find it rather dull, maybe it is time to try another since I love Rameau ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on July 06, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: nico1616 on June 16, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
I do not find many opera recommendations here.

There is a separate thread on French baroque opera.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,7641.0.html
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on July 12, 2012, 06:32:48 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on July 05, 2012, 07:21:35 AM
Hantaï looks old!

[asin]B00865P3CG[/asin]
I noticed an entire two hour concert on youtube of Sempe and Hantai performing this material:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy1_4pBag_8
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on July 12, 2012, 06:59:59 AM
Quote from: milk on July 12, 2012, 06:32:48 AM
I noticed an entire two hour concert on youtube of Sempe and Hantai performing this material:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy1_4pBag_8

Thanks for the find! :)

EDIT: Skip directly to 11:40 to hear something other than murmurs, sounds of feet shuffling and people coughing.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 12, 2012, 07:07:33 AM
How sober and square and old fashioned these guys look. Like two crusty university university types. I like baroque music more and more -- I much prefer it to contemporary classical music. But I really don't want to be associated with that look.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on July 12, 2012, 07:19:46 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on July 12, 2012, 07:07:33 AM
How sober and square and old fashioned these guys look. Like two crusty university university types. I like baroque music more and more -- I much prefer it to contemporary classical music. But I really don't want to be associated with that look.

My thoughts, exactly! I notice this particularly when watching HIP/PI concerts (on YouTube only, sadly :(), when the image of the performer(s) sometimes starkly contrasts the (spirit of the) music. Of course, I also realise that at the time when the chambers within the palaces of Europe were full of this music, people were a tad OTT with their formal attire. ;D It's just our mental associations, I suppose.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on July 22, 2012, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 04, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
Just a technical question.

Is there a reason why Couperin's harpsichord is particularly hard to transpose to a modern piano? I know it was often written for an instrument with two manuals, and that may make simple music on the harpsichord into a technical challenge on a single manual instrument. But wan't a lot of Bach written for a two manual harpsichord too? Anyway pianists can rise to virtuoso music.

I find myself with mixed views about the Couperin piano I've heard -- Cziffra, Sokolov and Tharaud. The piano seems to trivialise the music a bit, over sweeten it, compared with the two harpsichordists I've heard play it (Verlet and Landowska)

But that may be to do with the pianists rather than transcription problems.

What do you think of Hewitt's Couperin CD?

I have to admit being enchanted with Tharaud's Couperin disk this weekend, my first hearing of Couperin on piano.

For me, Couperin's sound is not sweetened but rather, given a different mood that shifts my point of view of the music, in a good way.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on July 22, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Leo K on July 22, 2012, 08:18:40 AM
I have to admit being enchanted with Tharaud's Couperin disk this weekend, my first hearing of Couperin on piano.

For me, Couperin's sound is not sweetened but rather, given a different mood that shifts my point of view of the music, in a good way.

I have Couperin's works performed on piano in three volumes by Angela Hewitt.  But it has been a long time since I last listened to those CD's.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 22, 2012, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on July 22, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
I have Couperin's works performed on piano in three volumes by Angela Hewitt.  But it has been a long time since I last listened to those CD's.

Well I just listened to her play the 26th order,  Hewitt doesn't use much rubato. So you don't get that slightly disorienting mannerist  effect that you get in the same music played by (e.g.) Blandine Verlet. And  she uses warm colour and dynamics a lot -- Verlet uses colour a lot too, but not as much as Hewitt. The result is that Hewitt sounds refined and beautiful  to me.  Hewitt seemed less sincere than Verlet -- it was as if I was conscious of her showing off the piano, what she can do with the piano, colour, dynamics etc. But Verlet seems a more authentic  and uncalculated outpouring of feeling. L'epineuse is a good example of all of this. Verlet's more soulful and more expressive.

I really wanted to hear Hewitt play the 3rd order, just because I've been enjoying Sempe play it so much and I was wondering how the piano would handle such strange dark music. But as far as I can see she didn't do that one. Is that right?

Have any pianists recorded the preludes?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 19, 2012, 01:05:03 PM
(http://www.resmusica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/couperin_verlet_aparte-362x322.jpg)
I thought it my duty to add this new release to the thread.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Wakefield on August 19, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: milk on August 19, 2012, 01:05:03 PM
(http://www.resmusica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/couperin_verlet_aparte-362x322.jpg)
I thought it my duty to add this new release to the thread.

Of course, nice addition.

But... is that Couperin or Verlet on the cover?  :P
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 19, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on August 19, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
Of course, nice addition.

But... is that Couperin or Verlet on the cover?  :P
Yes! That was also my question when I saw it! It's Verlet!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 19, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
Question: What is your favorite recording of the complete set of Rameau's keyboard works? 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
Quote from: milk on August 19, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Yes! That was also my question when I saw it! It's Verlet!

She's getting older like all of us. It's a wonderful pair of CDs I think, the more I listen to it them more I like them.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Wakefield on August 20, 2012, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
She's getting older like all of us...
Yes, it's right, but that fact doesn't nothing to do with the quality of this portrait: not particularly successful as a faithful representation of Verlet, IMO. If the painter pretended a sort of "hybridization" between Verlet and Couperin, well... it could be considered quite more successful.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
Here's a photo
(http://www.concertclassic.com/photos/portrait/Blandine_Verlet_gd.gif)

By the way a glass of kümmel for the first person who can identify my new avatar. I certainly would be very surprised and pleased to meet someone who knows who that man is.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Wakefield on August 20, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: milk on August 19, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
Question: What is your favorite recording of the complete set of Rameau's keyboard works?

I have this set on Brilliant Classics, but it was a bit a disappointment:

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I'm quite a fan of Belder; I like a lot his Bach, Scarlatti and Soler, but not this Rameau which, I believe, doesn't have the refinement required by this music.

Currently, I'm waiting for the Rannou set, ordered from Italy and very well recommended on this board by Que. I want to get the solo harpsichord works because regarding the Pièces de clavecin en concerts, I'm quite well served by my favorite version, performed by Rousset, Terakado & Uemura (I also have the single disc by Rannou and her people, but I prefer Rousset et al.). So I will comment when my set arrives from Italy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoqQ_qgrmMQ

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on August 20, 2012, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
Here's a photo
(http://www.concertclassic.com/photos/portrait/Blandine_Verlet_gd.gif)

By the way a glass of kümmel for the first person who can identify my new avatar. I certainly would be very surprised and pleased to meet someone who knows who that man is.

I think I've read that portrait of Verlet is just a portrait she likes very much and they've decided to use it for the disc cover, nothing to do with Couperin particularly.

The avatar is I believe Günter Lamprecht as Franz Biberkopf in Fassbinder's TV adaptation of Döblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 20, 2012, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
Here's a photo
(http://www.concertclassic.com/photos/portrait/Blandine_Verlet_gd.gif)

By the way a glass of kümmel for the first person who can identify my new avatar. I certainly would be very surprised and pleased to meet someone who knows who that man is.

I first heard of Blandine Verlet on this CD, which I treasure even if it is not HIP.  This recording was made probably close to 50 years ago ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HKdqNu5YL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 20, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on August 20, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
I have this set on Brilliant Classics, but it was a bit a disappointment:

[asin]B0037YHOUA[/asin]

I'm quite a fan of Belder; I like a lot his Bach, Scarlatti and Soler, but not this Rameau which, I believe, doesn't have the refinement required by this music.

Currently, I'm waiting for the Rannou set, ordered from Italy and very well recommended on this board by Que. I want to get the solo harpsichord works because regarding the Pièces de clavecin en concerts, I'm quite well served by my favorite version, performed by Rousset, Terakado & Uemura (I also have the single disc by Rannou and her people, but I prefer Rousset et al.). So I will comment when my set arrives from Italy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoqQ_qgrmMQ


I just recently purchased Vinikour's new Rameau disc and it's superb. Very tame on many of the tempos, although the Les Cyclopes will have you jumping out of your seat, but beautifully recorded and technically stunning.
Unlike the Belder, the Vinikour omits the Pieces de clavecin en concerts, but I already owned three quality recording of them so I didn't feel as if I was missing out.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: Drasko on August 20, 2012, 09:23:31 AM
I think I've read that portrait of Verlet is just a portrait she likes very much and they've decided to use it for the disc cover, nothing to do with Couperin particularly.

The avatar is I believe Günter Lamprecht as Franz Biberkopf in Fassbinder's TV adaptation of Döblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/89001288_0a12a873f4.jpg)

Help yourself to a glass -- I might have  known it would be you.

I liked the film a lot but the translation in English had a very bad reputation   so I never tried it, and I can't read German. But then someone put me onto a French translation, a new one, and my god, it's a very good book, and Fassbinder is pretty faithful to it (except in the last episode of course)

The scene in that clip is one of my favourite bits of anything, where Franz is talking to the beer and the schnapps.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on August 20, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
The more I listen to Angela Hewitt’s Rameau on the modern grand, the more I fall in love with the sound. So I decided to explore more Rameau on piano, starting with a broadcast concert of Sokolov.

What other pianist should I seek to hear Rameau played on the piano?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: Leo K on August 20, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
The more I listen to Angela Hewitt's Rameau on the modern grand, the more I fall in love with the sound. So I decided to explore more Rameau on piano, starting with a broadcast concert of Sokolov.

What other pianist should I seek to hear Rameau played on the piano?

Cziffra and Meyer certainly, Tharaud by all means. Barto at your own risk.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 20, 2012, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: Leo K on August 20, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
The more I listen to Angela Hewitt's Rameau on the modern grand, the more I fall in love with the sound. So I decided to explore more Rameau on piano, starting with a broadcast concert of Sokolov.

What other pianist should I seek to hear Rameau played on the piano?

I have all three volumes of Couperin on piano by Angela Hewitt.  You may want to check them out as well ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 20, 2012, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
Cziffra and Meyer certainly, Tharaud by all means. Barto at your own risk.

I have the following CD by Barto and it actually is not bad ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IEExd3ZtL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 20, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on August 20, 2012, 09:32:54 AM
I first heard of Blandine Verlet on this CD, which I treasure even if it is not HIP.  This recording was made probably close to 50 years ago ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HKdqNu5YL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

What is most interesting about this CD is Blandine Verlet was the only woman on harpsichord - back in those good old days.  The other harpsichordists were Raymond Leppard, Philip Ledger and Andrew Davis, who were conductors but could play harpsichord ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on August 20, 2012, 01:13:35 PM
Uh...oh....Wanda Landowska?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 20, 2012, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: Leo K on August 20, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
The more I listen to Angela Hewitt's Rameau on the modern grand, the more I fall in love with the sound. So I decided to explore more Rameau on piano, starting with a broadcast concert of Sokolov.

What other pianist should I seek to hear Rameau played on the piano?

You said it, Leo. Hewitt's account is lovely. My only other piano Rameau is by Mordecai Shehori, a little more demonic in tone, but highly enjoyable.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 20, 2012, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on August 20, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
I have this set on Brilliant Classics, but it was a bit a disappointment:

[asin]B0037YHOUA[/asin]

I'm quite a fan of Belder; I like a lot his Bach, Scarlatti and Soler, but not this Rameau which, I believe, doesn't have the refinement required by this music.

Currently, I'm waiting for the Rannou set, ordered from Italy and very well recommended on this board by Que. I want to get the solo harpsichord works because regarding the Pièces de clavecin en concerts, I'm quite well served by my favorite version, performed by Rousset, Terakado & Uemura (I also have the single disc by Rannou and her people, but I prefer Rousset et al.). So I will comment when my set arrives from Italy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoqQ_qgrmMQ
I was also disappointed. But it may be because I just don't like the sound of the instrument for these works.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 20, 2012, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 20, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
She's getting older like all of us. It's a wonderful pair of CDs I think, the more I listen to it them more I like them.
I also quite like them. By the way, the series by Violaine Cochard is also wonderful.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 20, 2012, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: Drasko on August 20, 2012, 09:23:31 AM
I think I've read that portrait of Verlet is just a portrait she likes very much and they've decided to use it for the disc cover, nothing to do with Couperin particularly.

The avatar is I believe Günter Lamprecht as Franz Biberkopf in Fassbinder's TV adaptation of Döblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz.
Well, one of you French speakers can explain it if you watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEsBslBWTqE
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on August 21, 2012, 06:22:23 AM
Thanks for the recommends regarding Rameau on the piano! Looking forward to searching those names out.

On Spotify I've found a stunning disk of Rameau played by Celine Frisch on the harpsichord, wow what a sound she has!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leon on August 21, 2012, 06:39:29 AM
Re: Rameau keyboard music -

This is one I enjoy that I don't think has been mentioned as of yet:

[asin]B00000E46C[/asin]
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 21, 2012, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: Leo K on August 21, 2012, 06:22:23 AM
Thanks for the recommends regarding Rameau on the piano! Looking forward to searching those names out.

On Spotify I've found a stunning disk of Rameau played by Celine Frisch on the harpsichord, wow what a sound she has!

Yes that's very good, I agree. As is the Rameau from Sempe.

We've discussed Celine Frisch's harpsichord somewhere in this thread. 

As far as complete keyboard collections go, I  only have Rannou,  which some people seem to  like a lot.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Wakefield on August 21, 2012, 09:34:39 AM
BTW, regarding Couperin (these days discussed regarding the new recording of Verlet), Noëlle Spieth is an excellent choice.

Although her complete collection is sadly OOP, the MP3 downloads are offered by Amazon for mere $19.98:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SYvrhU3OL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

Here: http://www.amazon.com/Couperin-L-uvre-pour-clavecin/dp/B002UYG940/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345569732&sr=8-1&keywords=noelle+spieth
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on August 21, 2012, 02:53:38 PM
re: rameau keyboard music

On harpsichord my favorite is without much doubt Scott Ross, terribly out of print but plenty can be sampled on youtube (complete first three suites I think)

http://www.youtube.com/v/segCBE0oX9Q

On piano, what is there of Sokolov bootlegs (two suites), and for complete set Marcelle Meyer

http://www.youtube.com/v/pPl4jbfPSc4
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on August 21, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
The complete sets I have are the Ross and Rousset sets, both very good indeed.

I wish I had more Rameau from Leonhardt. He has that certain something in his Rameau that uplifts me like no other.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 21, 2012, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: Arnold on August 21, 2012, 06:39:29 AM
Re: Rameau keyboard music -

This is one I enjoy that I don't think has been mentioned as of yet:

[asin]B00000E46C[/asin]

and I am the proud owner of this twofer ...     ;D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 22, 2012, 05:52:02 AM
Quote from: Drasko on August 21, 2012, 02:53:38 PM
re: rameau keyboard music

On harpsichord my favorite is without much doubt Scott Ross, terribly out of print but plenty can be sampled on youtube (complete first three suites I think)

http://www.youtube.com/v/segCBE0oX9Q

On piano, what is there of Sokolov bootlegs (two suites), and for complete set Marcelle Meyer

http://www.youtube.com/v/pPl4jbfPSc4
This is really wonderful! I can't understand why they don't rerelease more of Ross. This is really what I'm looking for. I find it frustrating
because I don't get this same spirit from Yates, Belder or Rannou. The closest for me is Gilbert. I can't explain what it is. Maybe someone else can. Perhaps it's that singing quality?   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on August 22, 2012, 06:13:36 AM
I also am amazed by Scott Ross's Couperin box, on my, what a set!!!

The singing quality is there in spades :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leon on August 22, 2012, 06:47:58 AM
Olivier Baumont has recorded some lesser known (at least to me) French baroque composer's keyboard works:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X7VpDkLiL._SL500_.jpg)

Several of these sets are on Spotify and I am enjoying this one right now.  He plays a variety of keyboards: harpsichord, fortepiano and organ.  Here's some info from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Balbastre) on Claude Balbastre:

QuoteBalbastre settled in Paris in 1750 and studied there with Pierre Février, whom he succeeded as organist of the Saint Roch church. Jean-Philippe Rameau helped and protected Balbastre when he settled in the city, so Balbastre was quickly and efficiently introduced to the Parisian musical circles and high society, and made a brilliant career: he played at the Concert Spirituel until 1782[2], became organist of the Notre-Dame cathedral and of the Chapelle Royale, became harpsichordist to the French royal court where he taught queen Marie-Antoinette, and became organist for Louis-Stanislas-Xavier, Count of Provence, who later became Louis XVIII, King of France. Balbastre's fame was so great that the archbishop of Paris had to forbid him to play at Saint Roch during some of the services, because the churches were always crowded when Balbastre played.

He was reportedly a very good friend of Couperin.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 22, 2012, 07:09:15 AM
Quote from: Leo K on August 22, 2012, 06:13:36 AM
I also am amazed by Scott Ross's Couperin box, on my, what a set!!!

The singing quality is there in spades :)

The Couperin set which I listen to with most pleasure is Gilbert's. It's very different from Ross's.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on August 22, 2012, 07:46:02 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 22, 2012, 07:09:15 AM
The Couperin set which I listen to with most pleasure is Gilbert's. It's very different from Ross's.

Is this Kenneth Gilbert?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on August 22, 2012, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: Leo K on August 22, 2012, 07:46:02 AM
Is this Kenneth Gilbert?

Probably.  I have the Rameau' s set by Gilbert, though I do not have any Scott Ross' recordings ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 22, 2012, 08:21:51 AM
Quote from: Leo K on August 22, 2012, 07:46:02 AM
Is this Kenneth Gilbert?

Yes, that's the one.

Gilbert is everything you would expect: rather contemplative, rarely playing for excitement. If you want thrills then you may be more happy with someone else. But I think he's deep, and I like that.

I have Gilbert's Rameau too, which I like. I think he was at his best in French music. I prefer his Rameau to Spieth's  , though I would be tempted to hear Spieth's F Couperin if I could find it at a decent quality bitrate in the UK. amazon's is low bitrate, and I've learned to avoid that.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 22, 2012, 08:29:09 PM
I'm not sure what's allowed on this forum but I found a link to a download of the Ross Mpeg files of the first book and Pieces. I suppose anyone can send me a message for the link - if that's not braking any rules.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on August 23, 2012, 04:43:34 PM
Quote from: Drasko on August 20, 2012, 09:23:31 AM


The avatar is I believe Günter Lamprecht as Franz Biberkopf in Fassbinder's TV adaptation of Döblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz.

Sometimes you just scare me... :o
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on August 24, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: André on August 23, 2012, 04:43:34 PM
Sometimes you just scare me... :o

hahahaha, didn't know I had it in me ;D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Leo K. on August 25, 2012, 07:47:40 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 22, 2012, 08:21:51 AM
Yes, that's the one.

Gilbert is everything you would expect: rather contemplative, rarely playing for excitement. If you want thrills then you may be more happy with someone else. But I think he's deep, and I like that.

I have Gilbert's Rameau too, which I like. I think he was at his best in French music. I prefer his Rameau to Spieth's  , though I would be tempted to hear Spieth's F Couperin if I could find it at a decent quality bitrate in the UK. amazon's is low bitrate, and I've learned to avoid that.

I am very keen on listening to Gilbert's Rameau, which I see is on Spotify. Good!

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 27, 2012, 06:50:54 AM
Quote from: Leo K on August 25, 2012, 07:47:40 AM
I am very keen on listening to Gilbert's Rameau, which I see is on Spotify. Good!
Getting over my initial excitement about Ross's Rameau, I still feel most deeply moved by Gilbert. I wonder if Andre would agree?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on September 01, 2012, 12:52:04 PM
Anyone familiar with the Te Deum of Joseph-Antoine-Esprit Blanchard (b. 1696) ? According to some it's a very rewarding work. Curio: one of the work's themes has 11/13 notes from Beethoven' Ode to Joy, whatever that's supposed to mean. Haven't heard it yet. An old Erato disc with the cream of french soloists and instrumentalists in 1957 is circulating in mp3 download format (legal). Recorded in the flattering acoustics of Paris' Notre-Dame du Liban.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on September 01, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: André on September 01, 2012, 12:52:04 PM
Anyone familiar with the Te Deum of Joseph-Antoine-Esprit Blanchard (b. 1696) ? According to some it's a very rewarding work. Curio: one of the work's themes has 11/13 notes from Beethoven' Ode to Joy, whatever that's supposed to mean. Haven't heard it yet. An old Erato disc with the cream of french soloists and instrumentalists in 1957 is circulating in mp3 download format (legal). Recorded in the flattering acoustics of Paris' Notre-Dame du Liban.

I've heard of Blanchard, but nothing by Blanchard. He was relatively well regarded mid 18th century composer of generation of Rameau, Boismortier or Madin. Mostly wrote sacred music (grands motets) as far as I know, with that 1745 Te Deum as his best known piece.

He just hasn't been recorded much this far. I didn't know of that 50s recording, there is one more recent (2004) which I haven't heard. Here, with short clip:

http://jubilateversailles.wifeo.com/presentation.php
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on September 01, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
There is actually one other recording of Blanchard's Te Deum -  on Adda label from 1992, by Chœur et Orchestre de Paris - Sorbonne under Jacques Grimbert, with respectable line up of soloists from that period - Gerard Lesne, Peter Harvey ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515U7UnTJ2L.jpg)
http://www.amazon.fr/Te-deum-Misericordias-Antoine-Blanchard/dp/B00004ULCL

Very much out of print unfortunately, but available complete on yotube, in three parts:

http://www.youtube.com/v/1-GicptcURo
http://www.youtube.com/v/m4SC4D73ZKg
http://www.youtube.com/v/2ZwJcSGVduo
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Lilas Pastia on September 01, 2012, 04:32:27 PM
Thanks Milos! The 1957 recording, no doubt drastically different stylistically can be found on René Gagnaux' website. Just type www.renegagnaux.ch

René nas many interesting items on his website. Since his offerings are strictly legal, nothing more recent than the last 50 years will be found on his site.

I'll listen to that ADDA performance and compare to the older one.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on September 01, 2012, 10:42:19 PM
Quote from: Drasko on September 01, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
There is actually one other recording of Blanchard's Te Deum -  on Adda label from 1992, by Chœur et Orchestre de Paris - Sorbonne under Jacques Grimbert, with respectable line up of soloists from that period - Gerard Lesne, Peter Harvey ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515U7UnTJ2L.jpg)
http://www.amazon.fr/Te-deum-Misericordias-Antoine-Blanchard/dp/B00004ULCL

Very much out of print unfortunately, but available complete on yotube, in three parts:

The music sounds wonderful! :)

The performance is a bit so so, would be an excellent choice for a new recording by Schneebeli or Niquet. 8)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on September 05, 2012, 03:46:07 AM
Quote from: Que on September 04, 2012, 09:45:40 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61y0WsJaFiL.jpg)

Like a said before: Charpentier's Te Deum has an elegant and beautiful sister. And, dare I say, she is even prettier! :D

Definitely my purchase of the month. 8)

Q

If I had to chose one favorite composer of sacred music from French baroque period it would be Delalande (and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion). And if I had to chose one single disc to represent the entire era it would be that one.

What is complete shame, and is utterly baffling, is to what extent is Delalande unrecorded and what is recorded is unavailable. Currently you can probably find in print two Christie discs on HM and Lecons de Tenebres on Naive and that's it. Herreweghe disc of motets is out of print, same with Schneebeli, same with Gester on op.111, same with Skidmore on Gaudeamus, same with complete Symphonies pour les Soupers du Roy by Reyne on HM, same with couple old Erato recordings ...

It seems that after 2005 there was just one single new Delalande release (partial Lecons with Kirkby on BIS) and no reissues at all. Looks absurd since in recent years we had lots of recordings of composers of much lesser importance than Delalande.

Now this is complete speculation, I know very little about facts and consequences, but it seems that 2005 lawsuit which Lionel Sawkins, a scholar and editor of Delaland's complete oeuvre, cleanly won against Hyperion and HM over Skidmore and Herreweghe Delalande recordings (he argued that preparing performing editions of baroque music is much more the simple editing, and that he should get some sort of royalties or was it just much more money, can't really remember) resulted in fact that nobody in recording business won't touch Dellalande music with ten foot pole. If that is the case than it is so very sad.
Again, I'm just speculating, all this might not be the reason at all. 

 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on September 05, 2012, 03:53:48 AM
Pity for Delalande, but that Sawkins ass definitively deserves to shoot himself in the foot which he may seem to have done.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on September 05, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: Drasko on September 05, 2012, 03:46:07 AM
If I had to chose one favorite composer of sacred music from French baroque period it would be Delalande (and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion). And if I had to chose one single disc to represent the entire era it would be that one.

What is complete shame, and is utterly baffling, is to what extent is Delalande unrecorded and what is recorded is unavailable. Currently you can probably find in print two Christie discs on HM and Lecons de Tenebres on Naive and that's it. Herreweghe disc of motets is out of print, same with Schneebeli, same with Gester on op.111, same with Skidmore on Gaudeamus, same with complete Symphonies pour les Soupers du Roy by Reyne on HM, same with couple old Erato recordings ...

It seems that after 2005 there was just one single new Delalande release (partial Lecons with Kirkby on BIS) and no reissues at all. Looks absurd since in recent years we had lots of recordings of composers of much lesser importance than Delalande.

I couldn't agree with you more! :) It's absolutely gorgeous music. Fortunately I gathered quite a few of the recordings you mention. It's a pity that there is so little on offer. I emailed Harmonia Mundi once about the complete Symphonies pour les Soupers du Roy by Reyne, and the reply was that a reissue was planned within a year. But it never materialised... :'(

For those interested - a good listing of CDs is to be found HERE (http://www.newolde.com/delalande.htm).

QuoteNow this is complete speculation, I know very little about facts and consequences, but it seems that 2005 lawsuit which Lionel Sawkins, a scholar and editor of Delaland's complete oeuvre, cleanly won against Hyperion and HM over Skidmore and Herreweghe Delalande recordings (he argued that preparing performing editions of baroque music is much more the simple editing, and that he should get some sort of royalties or was it just much more money, can't really remember) resulted in fact that nobody in recording business won't touch Dellalande music with ten foot pole. If that is the case than it is so very sad.
Again, I'm just speculating, all this might not be the reason at all. 

I hope you are wrong, it would be a terrible waste! :(  :-\


Anyway, just a quick question: is this worthwhile - having already the Leçons by Desrochers et al on Naïve? :)

[asin]B00006RNHS[/asin]

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Opus106 on October 11, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
In Amazon's list of future releases...

[asin]B0090OPC50[/asin]
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: petrarch on October 11, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: Que on September 05, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
Anyway, just a quick question: is this worthwhile - having already the Leçons by Desrochers et al on Naïve? :)

[asin]B00006RNHS[/asin]

I think it is, but then I am partial to Le Poème Harmonique and to Alpha, so this is kind of a double whammy. That said, there are other CDs on the same label and by that ensemble that are more 'solid'.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: PaulSC on October 11, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
Quote from: Opus106 on October 11, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
In Amazon's list of future releases...

[asin]B0090OPC50[/asin]
Thanks for the heads up! I'm tempted, despite being in the middle of a Chopin kick...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 11, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: PaulSC on October 11, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
Thanks for the heads up! I'm tempted, despite being in the middle of a Chopin kick...

Me too!! :) Though I already have the complete Duphly (4 books, on 3 discs) by Jean-Patrice Brosse (Pierre Vérany/Arion).
Those are solid, sensitive and idiomatic performances, but Rousset always takes things to another level or in a different direction. And, like with his awesome Louis Couperin set, he seems to go for a selection instead of "complete". So the two seem complementary to each other.


Quote from: petrarch on October 11, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
I think it is, but then I am partial to Le Poème Harmonique and to Alpha, so this is kind of a double whammy. That said, there are other CDs on the same label and by that ensemble that are more 'solid'.

Thanks! :) Could you point me into the direction of some of the must-haves by Dumestre and his ensemble? :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: PaulSC on October 12, 2012, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: Que on October 11, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
Me too!! :) Though I already have the complete Duphly (4 books, on 3 discs) by Jean-Patrice Brosse (Pierre Vérany/Arion).
Those are solid, sensitive and idiomatic performances, but Rousset always takes things to another level or in a different direction. And, like with his awesome Louis Couperin set, he seems to go for a selection instead of "complete". So the two seem complementary to each other.
Q, I trust you are me-too-ing the Duphly and not the Chopin — or else, we have to talk! Anyway, I agree Rousset always manages to add his own flair without getting away from the core of the music. I mostly know the first two Livres — my possibly ill-informed impression is that the later books show more Galante/Pre-Classical elements?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: petrarch on October 12, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: Que on October 11, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
Thanks! :) Could you point me into the direction of some of the must-haves by Dumestre and his ensemble? :)

Actually, I was thinking of another CD when I said the Lalande you mentioned wasn't to my complete enjoyment, simply because the singer uses far too much vibrato and doesn't sound that well integrated:

[asin]B00004VL20[/asin]

The following are quite good (chosen for variety from the ~15 I have, all worthy of digging into):

[asin]B00005J7UX[/asin] [asin]B000A0HFU8[/asin] [asin]B000069KJZ[/asin] [asin]B0002J5978[/asin] [asin]B000A0HFZ8[/asin] [asin]B00005KJEP[/asin]
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 13, 2012, 02:41:17 AM
Quote from: petrarch on October 12, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
Actually, I was thinking of another CD when I said the Lalande you mentioned wasn't to my complete enjoyment, simply because the singer uses far too much vibrato and doesn't sound that well integrated:

The following are quite good (chosen for variety from the ~15 I have, all worthy of digging into):

Wow! :D That's quite an intriguing list! :o Thanks, much appreciated. :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on October 14, 2012, 05:21:48 AM
The Cavalieri disc of lamentations are one of my favorite early baroque discs ever.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Brian on November 25, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
On period instruments in January:

(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8570944.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Wakefield on November 25, 2012, 06:45:34 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 25, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
On period instruments in January:

(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8570944.jpg)

Excellent! Those two guys are some of the best Baroque performers recording on Naxos.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: petrarch on November 25, 2012, 06:48:32 AM
Speaking of Couperin, this one is also in the pipeline for January:

[asin]B009CATSSE[/asin]
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on November 25, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 25, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
On period instruments in January:

(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8570944.jpg)

Oh my God, that seems delicious!  :P
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 25, 2012, 12:38:39 PM
While we are at Francois Couperin's Pieces de Violes Alia Vox seems to be reissuing Savall's seminal recording with Koopman. Performances are fantastic, both played and recorded. CD is bit on short side at about 45 minutes, but I honestly don't mind since Couperin wrote only two suites and they happen to be so superb that any make-weight seemed always unnecessary to me.

It's already listed at UK vendors, at lower price than Alia Vox usual (probably because of CD length) but it seems they have not yet decided on cover art.

(http://www.alia-vox.com/img/_cd/AVSA9893.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/A/V/AVSA9893.jpg)

http://www.mdt.co.uk/couperin-pieces-de-violes-1728-jordi-savall-alia-vox-sacd.html
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Alia%2BVox/AVSA9893
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 26, 2012, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Drasko on November 25, 2012, 12:38:39 PM
While we are at Francois Couperin's Pieces de Violes Alia Vox seems to be reissuing Savall's seminal recording with Koopman. Performances are fantastic, both played and recorded. CD is bit on short side at about 45 minutes, but I honestly don't mind since Couperin wrote only two suites and they happen to be so superb that any make-weight seemed always unnecessary to me.

It's already listed at UK vendors, at lower price than Alia Vox usual (probably because of CD length) but it seems they have not yet decided on cover art.

(http://www.alia-vox.com/img/_cd/AVSA9893.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/A/V/AVSA9893.jpg)

http://www.mdt.co.uk/couperin-pieces-de-violes-1728-jordi-savall-alia-vox-sacd.html
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Alia%2BVox/AVSA9893


I too am very fond of the Couperin suites, as I am of all his late music. But somehow  Savall/Koopman has never become a favourite, I just think they're too melancholy. I honestly feel that, from the point of view of the poetry, they have been outplayed since they made that record in 1975, by Meneke van der Velden with Glen Wilson, for example. And me, I prefer the record with Jay Betnfield and Skip Sempe, though I appreciate that this is an aquired taste maybe.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on November 28, 2012, 08:25:43 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 26, 2012, 09:00:12 AM

I too am very fond of the Couperin suites, as I am of all his late music. But somehow  Savall/Koopman has never become a favourite, I just think they're too melancholy. I honestly feel that, from the point of view of the poetry, they have been outplayed since they made that record in 1975, by Meneke van der Velden with Glen Wilson, for example. And me, I prefer the record with Jay Betnfield and Skip Sempe, though I appreciate that this is an aquired taste maybe.

Melancholy works for me. I faintly remember disliking van der Velden recording because of balance between gamba and continuo which I thought unduly dominated. Betnfield haven't heard. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:57 AM
Boy, I've not posted in this thread for over a year, but just received the 2-CD set below from BRO ($14):

Marais, Marin - Second Livre (Suites IV, V, VI, VII) w/ Charbonnier, Rousseau, et al on the French label, Ligia Digital - liner notes are in French only - ughh!  This group seems to have made about 20 or more CDs of Marais' music!  My first experience and on the initial listening quite excellent performances; my only comparison (not yet done back to back) is w/ Savall on the Suites IV & VI.

Just curious if others here interested in this music can provide some more insight into these Ligia offerings?  Not much available on Amazon USA except for some MP3 downloads or new/used offerings at exorbitant prices - thanks for any information - Dave :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-r3jphbH/0/O/MaraisTombeaux.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Coopmv on December 22, 2012, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:57 AM
Boy, I've not posted in this thread for over a year, but just received the 2-CD set below from BRO ($14):

Marais, Marin - Second Livre (Suites IV, V, VI, VII) w/ Charbonnier, Rousseau, et al on the French label, Ligia Digital - liner notes are in French only - ughh!  This group seems to have made about 20 or more CDs of Marais' music!  My first experience and on the initial listening quite excellent performances; my only comparison (not yet done back to back) is w/ Savall on the Suites IV & VI.

Just curious if others here interested in this music can provide some more insight into these Ligia offerings?  Not much available on Amazon USA except for some MP3 downloads or new/used offerings at exorbitant prices - thanks for any information - Dave :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-r3jphbH/0/O/MaraisTombeaux.jpg)


BRO is superb for these somewhat obscure but nice recordings ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Sammy on December 23, 2012, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 25, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
On period instruments in January:

(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8570944.jpg)

Should be an excellent disc.  Hakkinen impressed me greatly with his Bach Goldbergs on Alba.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Ralf Hutter on December 23, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:57 AM
Boy, I've not posted in this thread for over a year, but just received the 2-CD set below from BRO ($14):


Just curious if others here interested in this music can provide some more insight into these Ligia offerings?  Not much available on Amazon USA except for some MP3 downloads or new/used offerings at exorbitant prices - thanks for any information - Dave :)

Charbonnier has recorded material from all five of Marais' VdG books. Books 3, 4 and 5 were released on the Pierre Verany label in the 1990s with the remaining two being released on Ligia Digital over the past 10 years. Each book is represented by 4 discs, except for the fourth book, which is 5 discs and the second book, which contains 6 discs.

All are recorded in glorious, glorious sound, with the PV being credited as "24 bit Nagra Digital" and the Ligia as "24-96". Performances are all exemplary. I enjoy them more than the series of recordings by my long-time hero, Savall.

The Ligia are all still in print but are difficult to find. I was quite surprised to see that one set show up at BRO a few weeks back. The PV are long gone and command fairly lofty prices when they do show up.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 23, 2012, 08:09:15 PM
Quote from: Ralf Hutter on December 23, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
Charbonnier has recorded material from all five of Marais' VdG books. Books 3, 4 and 5 were released on the Pierre Verany label in the 1990s with the remaining two being released on Ligia Digital over the past 10 years. Each book is represented by 4 discs, except for the fourth book, which is 5 discs and the second book, which contains 6 discs.

All are recorded in glorious, glorious sound, with the PV being credited as "24 bit Nagra Digital" and the Ligia as "24-96". Performances are all exemplary. I enjoy them more than the series of recordings by my long-time hero, Savall.

The Ligia are all still in print but are difficult to find. I was quite surprised to see that one set show up at BRO a few weeks back. The PV are long gone and command fairly lofty prices when they do show up.

Hi Ralf Hutter - welcome to the forum! :)

Thanks for your comments above - you seem to know this material well; I re-listened to those 2 discs today and really enjoyed (have not made any direct comparisons w/ my Savall recordings but cannot imagine them being better, as you already have noted); still a little irritated about the liner notes being in French only - Dave
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on September 12, 2013, 04:00:14 AM
What are the best examples of French baroque variations?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on September 14, 2013, 02:42:02 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on September 12, 2013, 04:00:14 AM
What are the best examples of French baroque variations?

Probably Rameau's Gavotte et 6 Doubles from a minor Suite, or Les Niais de Sologne et 2 Doubles from D Major Suite.

French didn't seem to were into melodic variations that much. On the other hand Passacaille and Chaconne were abundant, as forms of what's it called ... chromatic variation? There you have Lully's Passacaille from Armide, from Phaeton, Chaconne from Roland, Couperin's La Favorite ...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on October 06, 2013, 12:59:03 PM
Absolutely outstanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pekZPcODgdw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pekZPcODgdw)

Go to 1:24:20 and see if you aren't captivated!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on March 02, 2014, 12:37:45 AM
Coincidentally, the last page of this thread does contain some posts about Jean-Louis Charbonnier's Marais series (http://fmad.pagesperso-orange.fr/disques_ebmm.htm) -  which are on Ligia and Pierre Vérany! :D

Let's add my praise to that of Dave's, and reiterate what Harry already told us (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg362570.html#msg362570) many, many moons ago...  :)

[asin]B0000YRJJQ[/asin]

This is in short a magnificent set. I would say this is a one stop for anyone seeking Marais playing in a natural, idiomatic way, which shows all facets of Marin Marais' art.
The fact this in a "book" of viol music, Marais 4th of five books, the music included is very varied in form and style. It contains three parts.
First 6 suites in French style (d'un Goût français ) which are typical French viol music in a simple, introverted, melodic style. Then the suites in "foreign" style (d'un Goût étranger) in which Marias shows of his ability to incorporate non-French influences as well as his ability to write in a virtuosic style. - the result is exhilarating. Two highly expressive, "wiry" suites for 3 viols conclude the set.

Playing is beyond reproach. Like I said natural and idiomatic. If I compare with other Marias recordings I have on the shelf - Savall and Pandolfo - Charbonnier is less theatrical without added "oomph" (Savall) and has a more playful, dance like approach then Pandolfo et all. who more explicitly look for "inner depth" wit slow tempi and the break up of rhythmic lines.
I would say this is Marais as he is, in his simplicity as well in his complexity, if that makes any sense at all... ::)

Perhaps better to give it a listen yourselves! :)

Q

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on March 27, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
Interesting artlicle by Glen Wilson here, where he casts doubt on the quality and authenticity of some of the organ music attributed to Louis Couperin.

http://www.glenwilson.eu/article1.html

QuoteI have had serious doubts about Louis' monopoly on the family business since the disappointing day when I first read through Guy Oldham's long-anticipated edition of the pièces d'orgue, which he discovered in London in 1958. These are in many cases signed and dated - in a handwriting which is under dispute - and are undoubtedly the work of the first of the Couperins to establish himself in Paris. It struck me very forcibly then that this was not the same composer as the beloved author of most of the harpsichord pieces that Landowska was playing by 1910 (she writes about them in a letter to Saint-Saens in 1914), and which Paul Brunold published in 1932 under Louis' name. I know I will anger many people with this assessment, but the composer of the organ pieces is in every way less competent than that of the harpsichord works. They are the work of someone solemnly going through the motions of contrapuntal manipulation; langueurs abound; a sense of forced improvisation prevails. The extraordinary sequence of pieces in what is loosely called the Phrygian mode - almost half the total number - shows a composer grappling, unsuccessfully, for mastery. They are certainly full of "doctes recherches" and "belles dissonnances", and there is a good moment or two in every piece, but these qualities only serve to mask a general poverty of invention. Some of the duos and bass récits are more interesting, and there is one really fine piece: the Prelude in the first ton, nr. 46. Couperin must have thought highly of it, for he designates it for an "autre livre grand livre d'Orgue"; either that, or his copyist extracted it from another book.

The Phrygian sequence, does that include all the First sequence of fugues and fantasies? (My guess is, yes it does.) I wonder if this sort of doubt is at the bottom of why organists seem to have not taken up Louis Couperin's music very enthusiastically.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Geo Dude on June 22, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: The new erato on May 16, 2012, 12:43:05 AM
For Lullistas out there, I strongly recommend this set:

[asin]B005DUE3MS[/asin]

I see that this one escaped the opera thread purgatory. 8)  I haven't heard this one yet, but it's in the mail.  I discovered it by accident while looking for a book on the Carnival of Venice at Amazon and immediately ordered it after checking out a few reviews.

Quote from: Mandryka on July 12, 2012, 07:07:33 AM
How sober and square and old fashioned these guys [Hantai & Sempe] look. Like two crusty university university types. I like baroque music more and more -- I much prefer it to contemporary classical music. But I really don't want to be associated with that look.

You have a point there.  Scott Ross had the right idea... ;D

(http://intoclassics.net/_nw/194/55000829.jpg)


This is a great disc:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51d-CFzN%2BCL._SY300_.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Geo Dude on July 01, 2014, 07:42:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHF6GkfqWPY

Someone was kind enough to put Baumont's first book of (F) Couperin up on YouTube.  Perfect, as usual*, though perhaps lacking just a bit for those who like their French baroque with an extra "punch" to it.



*To be fair, I haven't heard Gilbert yet.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 19, 2014, 12:56:14 AM
Quote from: Geo Dude on July 01, 2014, 07:42:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHF6GkfqWPY

Someone was kind enough to put Baumont's first book of (F) Couperin up on YouTube.  Perfect, as usual*, though perhaps lacking just a bit for those who like their French baroque with an extra "punch" to it.

*To be fair, I haven't heard Gilbert yet.

Neither have I, but I think for real punch Christophe Rousset would be the most likely candidate - pretty dashing and virtuosic.
Let us hope that that set will be reissued soon! :) It is a disgrace that most of he greatest F. Couperin sets are currently unavailable: Rousset, Spieth (both of which I luckily managed to obtain) and Scott Ross....the big absentee on my shelves....

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 19, 2014, 02:44:07 AM
A short not on this disc, I believe that at least drasko was interested to hear about it.

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/671/MI0003671697.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Henry Madin was originally a provincial composer (Verdun, Tours) who came to Paris later in life (which might account for his status as a relatively unkown?), who wrote in the traditional French motets style. Though Madin generally wrote reperoire on a grander scale, the idea here is to apply the tradition of drawing a "petit motet" from a work for a larger setting.This involves transfering instrumental lines to the solo voices. The result is pretty, but there defintely is something bothering me here.... First, it seems there were not that many suitable works, resulting in a rather meagre offering of just over 35 minutes of singing. This is topped up two rather random instrumental interludes, though these pieces by Clerambault are perfectly performed by Helene Schmitt et al. Secondly, why not record some of the four masses and thirthy (!) grand motets that Madin left us?  ??? Because -and I guess there is the upside - I would definitely want to hear some... :)

Review by Johan van Veen: http://www.musica-dei-donum.org/cd_reviews/K617_K617184.html

Like him, I am giving this recording a qualified recommendation for the French motets enthusiast.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on July 19, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
Quote from: Que on July 19, 2014, 02:44:07 AM
A short note on this disc, I believe that at least drasko was interested to hear about it.

Thanks for the write up. :)

Have to say I'm intrigued to hear the result of deriving petit motet out of grand one, can't remember if there is any other recording of that practice.

But seems like big missed opportunity to record both, the grand motet and the petit one derived from it, especially if latter is but 35 minutes long. That would be really interesting to hear.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 19, 2014, 11:32:41 PM
What do you guys think of Louis Marchand's keyboard music?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on August 20, 2014, 01:02:08 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 19, 2014, 11:32:41 PM
What do you guys think of Louis Marchand's keyboard music?

Finding his organ music rather bland, I haven´t explored his harpsichord music that much, and what I have heard didn´t prompt me to continue.
Have you got any recommendations?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on August 20, 2014, 03:24:12 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 19, 2014, 11:32:41 PM
What do you guys think of Louis Marchand's keyboard music?

I've heard only one or two harpsichord pieces included on Sempe's mixed French recital. Not particularly memorable, but anyhow far too little to have an opinion of any sort. As I understand he was more important and rated as organist and composer for that instrument.   
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on August 20, 2014, 04:19:12 AM
This sounds pretty decent actually

http://www.youtube.com/v/oepgNWOk-Gg
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on August 20, 2014, 05:51:23 AM
Quote from: Drasko on August 20, 2014, 03:24:12 AM
I've heard only one or two harpsichord pieces included on Sempe's mixed French recital. Not particularly memorable, but anyhow far too little to have an opinion of any sort. As I understand he was more important and rated as organist and composer for that instrument.
I quite like this, though it's a while since I've spent time with it:
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/846/MI0002846939.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 20, 2014, 07:12:17 AM
I don't have any enthusiastic suggestions for Marchand unfortnately. I noticed he's been quite frequently recorded but somehow nothing I've heard has ever caught my imagination. I was hoping that smeone would talk him up a bit.

Gillian Weir maybe is the best I can come up with. She's the best I've heard do an extended selection.  She uses an interesting and clourful organ (St Maximin Thionville, which had been restored to something like 18th century style)

On harpsichord I've got nowhere with his music - maybe Haugsand is the most memorable I've heard but still . . .
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 20, 2014, 08:29:07 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 20, 2014, 07:12:17 AM
I don't have any enthusiastic suggestions for Marchand unfortnately, certainly not on harpsichord,  I noticed he's been quite frequently recorded but somehow nothing I've heard has ever caught my imagination. I was hoping that smeone would talk him up a bit.

Gillian Weir maybe is the best I can come up with. She's the best I've heard do an extended selection.  She uses an interesting and clourful organ (St Maximin Thionville, which had been restored to something like 18th century style)

On harpsichord I've got nowhere with his music - maybe Haugsand is the most memorable I've heard but still . . .
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on October 24, 2014, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: JCBuckley on October 24, 2014, 09:27:42 AM
I wish I'd thought of that - brilliantly put, PPP.

Thanks.

Quote from: JCBuckley on October 24, 2014, 09:27:42 AMI was sent a review copy of Les Fêtes de Paphos when it was released, but failed to appreciate it at the time. Now, approaching Mondonville after immersion in Rameau and his precursors, I can only wonder why I was so obtuse.

The first time I heard Les Fêtes de Paphos I was annoyed, and kept thinking, "Hey, this sounds just like Rameau. What a rip-off!" But then after I got used to it I realised that throughout history there must have been plenty of second-tier composers, doing their best to write in the style of the most successful composers of the day, probably because they were asked to. After that I cut Mondonville some slack, and viewed him more with sympathy than irritation.

Quote from: JCBuckley on October 24, 2014, 09:27:42 AMYou have his Grands Motets, I assume?

I do.

I'm listening to them now (I'd heard them only once before, and had forgotten them), and I must admit I prefer them to Rameau's. To me, they're more... solemn. I think they're more in keeping with how a motet should be (to my ears, anyway). When I'm listening to Rameau's motets I always get the feeling that the motet form was uncomfortable for him, and that he'd rather be off writing another opera or tinkering with his treatise on harmony.

One thing I like very much about this disc is that William Christie's conducting is more relaxed here than in a lot of his Rameau recordings (he's a bit too hard-driven in Rameau for my liking). I think it's one of William Christie's best CDs.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ufyBN2BrL.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Mondonville-Wieczorek-Konigsberger-Florissants-Christie/dp/B000005E5D)

http://www.youtube.com/v/E2jNjb7p4wc



Update: I just discovered there's another disc of the Grands Motets. This one's conducted by Christophe Coin (http://www.amazon.com/Mondonville-Grands-Motets-Jean-Joseph-Cassan%C3%A9a/dp/B0000017OU). Time to investigate.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418AAVSC5EL.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Mondonville-Grands-Motets-Jean-Joseph-Cassan%C3%A9a/dp/B0000017OU)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on October 27, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
It is one of Christie's best recordings. He did a lot of them though :D
Unfortunately, after listening to these Mondonville motets many times, I grew a little tired of them. They are really lovely but Mondonville was no Rameau :(
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on October 27, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: Discobolus on October 27, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
It is one of Christie's best recordings. He did a lot of them though :D

Yep. Ol' Baroque Bill sure is a productive chap. ("Quick, let's record another album before the record company's finished releasing the last one.")

Quote from: Discobolus on October 27, 2014, 11:15:05 AMUnfortunately, after listening to these Mondonville motets many times, I grew a little tired of them. ...

Fair enough.

Quote from: Discobolus on October 27, 2014, 11:15:05 AM... They are really lovely but Mondonville was no Rameau :(

No, but I reckon Monsieur M got awfully close with Les Fêtes de Paphos (http://youtu.be/Z3Ylx6fxcCU).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Moonfish on October 27, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: Peter Power Pop on October 27, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
Yep. Ol' Baroque Bill sure is a productive chap. ("Quick, let's record another album before the record company's finished releasing the last one.")

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: king ubu on October 28, 2014, 02:50:56 AM
Not opera, but I love all those other Christie recordings ... Mondonville, Lully, Charpentier, whatever. Since the thread is derailing anyway, let me add an urgent recommendation for this, before we return to opera:
http://www.analekta.com/en/album/?beausejour-luc-mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violon-opus-5.1444.html
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on October 28, 2014, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: king ubu on October 28, 2014, 02:50:56 AM
Not opera, but I love all those other Christie recordings ... Mondonville, Lully, Charpentier, whatever. Since the thread is derailing anyway, ...

Oops. I forgot that's what this thread is about. (Note to self: It's right there in the title, Peter.)

Sorry about that.

I'll try to stay on topic.

Quote from: king ubu on October 28, 2014, 02:50:56 AM... let me add an urgent recommendation for this, before we return to opera:
http://www.analekta.com/en/album/?beausejour-luc-mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violon-opus-5.1444.html

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_1080/MI0002/991/MI0002991461.jpg) (http://www.analekta.com/en/album/?beausejour-luc-mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violon-opus-5.1444.html)

I haven't heard that CD. Actually, come to think of it I haven't heard any of Mondonville's Pièces de clavecin avec voix au violon at all, so I've no idea how good/bad/yay!/ewww! that album is.

At least someone on YouTube has uploaded a Pièce so I can have a listen. (Thank you, someone on YouTube.)

It isn't from that new album. This is from the first recording of the Pièces (http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-12279/), with Edit Károly (http://karoly-edit.eu/en/) (soprano), Balázs Bozzai (http://hu.linkedin.com/pub/balazs-bozzai/20/420/185) (violin), and Miklós Spányi (http://miklosspanyi.de/) (harpsichord):

http://www.youtube.com/v/bVF474gSpik

That's a busy harpsichord.

Anyway, the Pièces de clavecin avec voix au violon is a rubbish French Baroque opera. The orchestra is tiny, there aren't any arias, and I can't follow the story at all.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: king ubu on October 28, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
I have the Spanyi recording as well ... love those pieces - actually they can be played by harpsichord only or with added violin and/or voice - the voice being wordless which makes for an eerie effect ... fun stuff, but I guess I like Mondonville somewhat better than many/most.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on October 28, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: king ubu on October 28, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
I have the Spanyi recording as well ... love those pieces - actually they can be played by harpsichord only or with added violin and/or voice - the voice being wordless which makes for an eerie effect ... fun stuff, but I guess I like Mondonville somewhat better than many/most.

I liked what I heard in that YouTube video. I wonder if eBay has that CD nice 'n' cheap...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on October 28, 2014, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: king ubu on October 28, 2014, 02:50:56 AM
Not opera, but I love all those other Christie recordings ... Mondonville, Lully, Charpentier, whatever. Since the thread is derailing anyway, let me add an urgent recommendation for this, before we return to opera:
http://www.analekta.com/en/album/?beausejour-luc-mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violon-opus-5.1444.html

Wow. In addition to the new Analekta CD (http://www.analekta.com/en/album/?beausejour-luc-mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violon-opus-5.1444.html) and the earlier one featuring Edit Károly (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=94292), I just found this on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERILLO-SOP-WEISS-HPSCHD-MONDONVILLE-PIECES-DE-CLAVECI-CD-2009-/381000338489):

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDQ5OQ==/z/cf0AAOSwEK9UGdVo/$_57.JPG) (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERILLO-SOP-WEISS-HPSCHD-MONDONVILLE-PIECES-DE-CLAVECI-CD-2009-/381000338489)

Who knew there'd be three versions of Mondonville's Pièces de clavecin avec voix ou violon available on CD?

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_1080/MI0002/991/MI0002991461.jpg) (http://www.analekta.com/en/album/?beausejour-luc-mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violon-opus-5.1444.html)

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/100/MI0001100107.jpg) (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=94292)



Update: And another one. This time it's William Christie and co. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nelson-Chrstie-Ritchie-Mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violin-/331330713543):

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/159/MI0001159502.jpg) (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nelson-Chrstie-Ritchie-Mondonville-pieces-de-clavecin-avec-voix-ou-violin-/331330713543)

So that makes four.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on October 28, 2014, 11:37:03 PM
Hang on a minute - wasn't this thread called "French Baroque Opera"?

Has the name changed?

Am I posting in the wrong place?

Is my memory even worse than I thought?

What's going on here?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: king ubu on October 29, 2014, 01:04:31 AM
Thanks Que for cleaning up the mess we made here!
Actually shouldn't you also move the posts on the "grand motets" and other non-operatic (or operatic in gesture but not in form) music as well? Or is the split between vocal and instrumental?

As for Mondonville, part of the Christie recording is in the Lumières box and that is how I found out about the music in the first place! I grabbed the Spányi and Beauséjour discs as a consequence (and they're both good enough that I never felt I need the entire thing from Christie as well, even though I'm generally a fan of his).
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 02:58:24 AM
Yesterday was made the special William Christie day on french radio France Musique  $:)

A few very nice videos were posted after that !

Gaspard Leroux, Pièces pour clavecin : Suite en ré (Sarabande, Menuet et Passepied)
http://dai.ly/x28upg9

Lambert : « Iris n'est plus, mon Iris m'est ravie » (Paul Agnew)
http://dai.ly/x28vxh7

Lambert : « Vos mépris » (Paul Agnew)
http://dai.ly/x28vxyc

Nicolas Bernier : Diane et Endymion, duo « O nuit c'est à tes voiles sombres » (Elodie Fonnard, Marc Mauillon)
http://dai.ly/x28vxe4

Campra : Le Triomphe de la Folie, « Que vois-je ? Quel objet ? » (Elodie Fonnard, Marc Mauillon)
http://dai.ly/x28v7zy
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: The new erato on October 31, 2014, 03:19:17 AM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 02:58:24 AM
Le Triomphe de la Folie
I thought I had copyrighted this title for mye future autobiography? (c)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 31, 2014, 10:40:42 AM
New issue! :)

(https://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760014199578.jpg)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 31, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
And...

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Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 01:13:03 PM
I'm wondering if that would not have been better in this topic :

Quote from: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 02:58:24 AM
Yesterday was made the special William Christie day on french radio France Musique  $:)

A few very nice videos were posted after that !

Gaspard Leroux, Pièces pour clavecin : Suite en ré (Sarabande, Menuet et Passepied)
http://dai.ly/x28upg9

Lambert : « Iris n'est plus, mon Iris m'est ravie » (Paul Agnew)
http://dai.ly/x28vxh7

Lambert : « Vos mépris » (Paul Agnew)
http://dai.ly/x28vxyc

Nicolas Bernier : Diane et Endymion, duo « O nuit c'est à tes voiles sombres » (Elodie Fonnard, Marc Mauillon)
http://dai.ly/x28vxe4

Campra : Le Triomphe de la Folie, « Que vois-je ? Quel objet ? » (Elodie Fonnard, Marc Mauillon)
http://dai.ly/x28v7zy
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: Que on October 31, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
And...

(https://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5028421949994.jpg)

Q

Do you like Duphly ? How is Belder in this ? I don't like him much in anything usually...

My favourite Duphly recording is by Elisabeth Joyé. On the harpsichord of the Château d'Assas (the one Scott Ross played and recorded on) :

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/841/MI0002841345.jpg)

Also, the complete set by Rousset is impressing (a little too fast for my taste but still magnificent). The harpsichord is the Kroll 1776 restored by Ducornet :

(http://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/25/44/3149028024425_600.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on October 31, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 01:16:36 PM
Do you like Duphly ? How is Belder in this ? I don't like him much in anything usually...

I do, like Duphly, I mean. :) Belder, it totally depends what he plays. His C.Ph.E. Bach is terrific, as is his Soler.

This Duphly set is brand new, haven't heard it. But I don't know if French harpsichord music, its quite up Belder's alley... ::) I did not like his Rameau, for instance.


QuoteMy favourite Duphly recording is by Elisabeth Joyé. On the harpsichord of the Château d'Assas (the one Scott Ross played and recorded on) :

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/841/MI0002841345.jpg)

Also, the complete set by Rousset is impressing (a little too fast for my taste but still magnificent). The harpsichord is the Kroll 1776 restored by Ducornet :

(http://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/25/44/3149028024425_600.jpg)


I have the series by Jean-Patrice Brosse (Pierre Vérany):

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81WN%2B1sYM6L._SL1440_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81UBxK%2BQytL._SL1440_.jpg) (http://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/16/03/3325487040316_600.jpg)

Love it (also plays a Kroll), but both items you mention are on the shopping list. :) (I am a long-standing Rousset fan).

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 03:45:09 PM
Brosse... Hem... I'd be afraid even to try it ???
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 08, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 03:45:09 PM
Brosse... Hem... I'd be afraid even to try it ???

No fear.  :D His recordings served me well in Duphly and Balbastre.
Sure, he is neither technically nor intellectually a high flyer like Rousset et al. But not as self imposing either! :)
Good, genuin, solid and idiomatically French playing. But, fom what I've heard he is rather unimaginative at the organ, well, so be it.  8)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 09, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
Well, I just listened to a few pieces from his Duphly albums, on musicme.com.
My only commentary is : please listen to someone else. I wouldn't call it idiomatic at all, rather unidiomatic (and unimaginative, spot-on).

I admit, though, that Duphly is difficult and that there are dozens of worst renditions than Brosse, but it is no excuse. The bare score has more eloquence.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 09, 2014, 04:23:20 AM
If it's the slow tempos which people are attracted to, then they may enjoy Yannick le Gaillard. In Duphly I mean.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 09, 2014, 05:56:50 AM
It's not the slow tempo. Joyé is (very) slow. Rousset fast (sometimes too fast). But both are excellent.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 09, 2014, 07:08:11 AM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on October 31, 2014, 01:16:36 PM
Do you like Duphly ? How is Belder in this ? I don't like him much in anything usually...

My favourite Duphly recording is by Elisabeth Joyé. On the harpsichord of the Château d'Assas (the one Scott Ross played and recorded on) :

Also, the complete set by Rousset is impressing (a little too fast for my taste but still magnificent). The harpsichord is the Kroll 1776 restored by Ducornet :

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/841/MI0002841345.jpg)  (http://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/25/44/3149028024425_600.jpg)

Well, I just own the Rousset 2-CD set, but will be interested what others mentioned seem to 'surface' as favorites - not sure how much music Duphly wrote but is there a lot of overlap on the recordings presented - curious?  Dave :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 09, 2014, 07:22:07 AM
About Rousset, actually, what I called a complete set is probably not. I didn't really check, I think it's a large selection but there's really a bunch of pieces on these 2 CDs as he always takes brisk tempos :D
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 09, 2014, 08:17:11 AM
So there's a piece by Duphly called La Forqueray which I like, I particularly like to hear Skip Sempé play it, because he maked it exciting sounding, especially towards the end.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 09, 2014, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 09, 2014, 08:17:11 AM
So there's a piece by Duphly called La Forqueray which I like, I particularly like to hear Skip Sempé play it, because he maked it exciting sounding, especially towards the end.

I share your taste for this piece. A while ago I had compared a few versions of this piece and Sempé actually came on top, ex aequo with Leonhardt (who played it on his late Forqueray album) :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 09, 2014, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on November 09, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
My only commentary is : please listen to someone else. I wouldn't call it idiomatic at all, rather unidiomatic (and unimaginative, spot-on).

Rousset is on the shopping list,  so I guess I will see.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 10, 2014, 07:29:05 AM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on November 09, 2014, 10:49:16 AM
I share your taste for this piece. A while ago I had compared a few versions of this piece and Sempé actually came on top, ex aequo with Leonhardt (who played it on his late Forqueray album) :)

If you hear of him playing in Paris please let me know. It's not easy for me to get to know about baroque cooncerts in France, which can happen in small venues (the last time I heard Sempé was in a little freezing cold church with terrible acoustics in the Marais.)

Same for Hantai, Frisch, Cuiller etc. I get the impression that the early music scene in Paris is much more active than in London.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 10, 2014, 07:40:13 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 10, 2014, 07:29:05 AM
If you hear of him playing in Paris please let me know. It's not easy for me to get to know about baroque cooncerts in France, which can happen in small venues (the last time I heard Sempé was in a little freezing cold church with terrible acoustics in the Marais.)

Same for Hantai, Frisch, Cuiller etc. I get the impression that the early music scene in Paris is much more active than in London.

Well... It should be but most French or French-based artists actually play more in other cities than in Paris. Baroque music, as an economic sector, is actually in France on the verge of a major crisis I think. The only ones who will be able to really resist are those who have sufficient funding from the private sector (Rousset, Haïm) and not necessarily the better ones (thinking about the latter...).
Of course it is still better than in London. HIP revolution has never deeply spread in England, besides "institutions" like the AAM.

Still you should check out programs at Cité de la musique/Philharmonie 2, and sometimes at the Collège des Bernardins. And around Paris the Festival de Pontoise and the Abbaye de Royaumont. And of course Benjamin Alard's free concerts in Saint-Louis-en-l'Île...

When was this Sempé concert in the Marais ? I think I was there too...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on November 10, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
Quote from: Cosi bel do on November 10, 2014, 07:40:13 AM
Well... It should be but most French or French-based artists actually play more in other cities than in Paris. Baroque music, as an economic sector, is actually in France on the verge of a major crisis I think. The only ones who will be able to really resist are those who have sufficient funding from the private sector (Rousset, Haïm) and not necessarily the better ones (thinking about the latter...).
Of course it is still better than in London. HIP revolution has never deeply spread in England, besides "institutions" like the AAM.

Still you should check out programs at Cité de la musique/Philharmonie 2, and sometimes at the Collège des Bernardins. And around Paris the Festival de Pontoise and the Abbaye de Royaumont. And of course Benjamin Alard's free concerts in Saint-Louis-en-l'Île...

When was this Sempé concert in the Marais ? I think I was there too...

I saw Sempé at l'église des billettes, about two years ago. I was at a couple of the Bach concerts at the big festival in cité de la musique earlier this year - Hantai and Asperen/Baumont. Apart from that I've seen some excellent concerts with Frisch at the Theâtre des Abbesses. And I've seen Hantai quite a few times in Salle Gaveau over the past couple of years.

I've never heard any organ music in Paris - and I'm starting to get more interested in late Messiaen so I occasionally check to see if there's anything on. But it's not easy to find out. I've had more luck with organ concerts out of Paris - I was once in the Var a couple of years ago when there was, by coincidence, an organ festival with some major players like Claudio Astrionio. That was fun because it gave me the excuse to go to some little places in Provence which I wouldn't have otherwise seen.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 10, 2014, 09:09:53 AM
I still feel that this baroque scene in Paris is not a good reflection of the richness of the population of musicians here.

You can hear organ concerts in Paris every weekend, mostly for free. If you like Messiaen you have to hear his organ of La Trinité...
To select concerts the most practical guide is this : http://www.france-orgue.fr/disque/index.php?zpg=dsq.con
Also it will probably be more comfortable (but more expensive too) next season, when there are 2 fine concert organs at La Philharmonie and the Auditorium de Radio-France... I'm quite impatient actually.

It's just a shame that so many other organs are falling into ruin because nobody is interested. The organ of La Sorbonne, or the Clicquot of Saint-Nicolas-des-Champs...
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Cosi bel do on November 10, 2014, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 09, 2014, 04:23:20 AM
If it's the slow tempos which people are attracted to, then they may enjoy Yannick le Gaillard. In Duphly I mean.

I didn't remember at all what Le Gaillard sounded like. So, I listened to a Youtube video featuring Rameau, Couperin and Duphly's La Forqueray. His phrasing is much more satisfying than Brosse's. But there are many small imperfections. And the ornamentation in Rameau is uninspired and quite ridiculous actually. Still, the Duphly is quite pleasing actually, not the best, but better than many others.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on February 08, 2015, 10:18:32 PM
Good paper on Style brisé here

https://www.academia.edu/7011303/Style_bris%C3%A9_Style_luth%C3%A9_and_the_Choses_luth%C3%A9es
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on February 27, 2015, 08:54:56 AM
Not much remains of music by Jacques Hardel, a disciple of D'Anglebert, but the suite in D minor is a top quality piece of music, and it has been recorded several times - Jane Chapman, Byron Schenkman and Linda Burman Hall with Catherin Liddel. There may well be others.

The latter pair up harpsichord and lute, the result is a bit of colourful sensuality, a bit of luxe, calm et volupté which reminds me more of high French classisism, Rameau and François Couperin. Somehow  Chapman makes the music sound full of sweet  poetry and earlier, I can hear an affinity to Gibbons, for example. Her ability to move the music forward, and to tell a good story, are really impressive. Shenkman is the most austere, the toughest. No sweet poetry or sensuality for him.

The whole thing raises questions about how to play D'Anglebert, Chambonnières, Louis Couperin, Froberger etc - just how lyrical, colourful and sensual to make the music.

The pairing up of harpsichord and lute is a ravishing sound, you have to admit that even if you think the sensual approach is a bit kitsch. Something similar happens in Sempé's Chambonnières CD. I hope I don't sound too puritan.

Jane Chapman's ideas are interesting, and quite disorientating in a good way - she makes you think. I recommend everything that this harpsichordist has done, she's got some convincing new ideas about how to play early French music.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on April 11, 2015, 06:29:10 AM
A brief mention in the listening thread of Noëlle Spieth's recording of Rameau's 1741 transcriptions of his own Pièces en concerts set me off on a search for other recordings. There haven't been many, this is what I've managed to find so far:

1. The aforementioned Noëlle Spieth. As far as I can see she's the only one to have recorded the lot.
2. Kenneth Gilbert recorded 5 of them.
3. Scott Ross recorded some of them in his debut recording of Rameau. There's some on his live recording from Saint Guihem le Desert.
4. Trevor Pinnock recorded four of them.
5. Bertrand Cuiller included three of them in Rameau selection

There are odd things based on the Picèces en concerts  by Sempe and Fortin, and Sempe and Hantai, but I don't think these are by Rameau himself. So they don't count.

Reviewing these wonderful transcriptions has been a pleasure. A particular pleasure to discover the ones from Trevor Pinnock. But the greatest treat was from finding the transcriptions in Kenneth Gilbert's Rameau, which in some pieces (L'indiscrète for example, and Le Livri) show him at his imaginative and inspired and bold best.

Please say if you know of other recordings. Has anyone got Mahan Esfahani's Rameau?

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Florestan on May 13, 2015, 06:06:00 AM
Yesterday I´ve been listening to Jean Marie Leclair´s Violin Concertos op. 10 while driving for 2 hours. I would not be surprised if I drived faster than usual. Raw energy and unbound passion is Leclair´s middle name.  8)


Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 15, 2015, 11:22:48 PM
Quote from: Que on November 08, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
No fear.  :D His recordings served me well in Duphly and Balbastre.
Sure, he is neither technically nor intellectually a high flyer like Rousset et al. But not as self imposing either! :)
Good, genuin, solid and idiomatically French playing. But, fom what I've heard he is rather unimaginative at the organ, well, so be it.  8)

Q

When you said that, que, what organ pieces were you talking about? I'm rather enjoying his recording of Lebègue Bk 1, which I appreciate for the accuracy and focus and colour and contrast.

I haven't checked his Duphly yet.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on December 18, 2015, 10:07:56 PM
(http://d250ptlkmugbjz.cloudfront.net/images/covers/30/41/0884463784130_300.jpg)

A new release by Ludger Rémy, dominated by some D minor music by Louis Couperin and D'Anglebert's 2nd G minor suite. I've only had a chance to listen to the D'Anglebert and I was struck by the complete independence of the voices. This is D'Anglebert à la Elliott Carter. Is that a problem?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: HIPster on January 23, 2016, 10:07:59 AM
I have been playing this recording quite a lot lately ~
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Thanks to Gordo for the recommendation! :)

A very coherent and compelling program on this release.  Recommended.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on April 30, 2016, 10:49:47 PM
Harmonia Mundi has reissued some very interesting French Baroque recordings by William Christie and his Les Arts Florissants!  :) :)

new erato pointed out a production issue with the Moulinié, which is being resolved by HM.
So perhaps wait a little before purchasing that one....

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on April 30, 2016, 11:07:20 PM
Some Charpentier suggestions - for HIPster, and anyone else interested. :)

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A box set with individual original issues with full liner notes etc - a steal! ???
See my earlier comments HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg78534.html#msg78534).

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I'd wish I had more to recommend, but my Charpentier collection is far from completion.... ::)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 01, 2016, 02:34:31 AM
Quote from: Que on April 30, 2016, 11:07:20 PM
I'd wish I had more to recommend, but my Charpentier collection is far from completion.... ::)

Q

Médée is essential. Possibly his greatest work, secular definitely.

There are two recordings by Christie, both good but second one with Lorraine Hunt is probably preferable, and easier to find.

And try to get the original release, the reissue doesn't come with libretto, but has the same album art so it can get confusing online.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 01, 2016, 02:51:48 AM
Quote from: Draško on May 01, 2016, 02:34:31 AM
Médée is essential. Possibly his greatest work, secular definitely.

There are two recordings by Christie, both good but second one with Lorraine Hunt is probably preferable, and easier to find.

And try to get the original release, the reissue doesn't come with libretto, but has the same album art so it can get confusing online.

Medée is actually on the very top of my shopping list....thanks so much for the very helpful advice!  :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: HIPster on May 02, 2016, 05:35:48 PM
Thank you very much Que and Drasko!   :)

I'm currently listening to this beautiful Lully recording ~

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 07, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
On Amazon's UK site there are some pretty informed reviews of Francesco Cera's D'Anglebert, which prompted me to listen to it again.

His harpsichord style is too uniform. There just is not enough variety of touch, colour and texture. But where he is outstanding is in feeling - the emotional life of the music,  particularly in the melancholy and noble allemandes and sarabandes.

There is no satisfying complete D'Anglebert. Rousset is shallow emotionally, Frisch is shallow and boring, Willi is great, but not a deep poet. Scott Ross seems just inconsistent - inspired  in the first suite but less so elsewhere.

The bar has been set very high by single discs, which show that this is intersting music - especially Frederick Haas's and Arthur Haas (presumably no relation!)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 07, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 07, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
There is no satisfying complete D'Anglebert.

You could be onto something there. I have Rousset and Frisch and music (or their interpretation possibly) never really made much of an impression. I'll try to give them few more spins.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 07, 2016, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Draško on May 07, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
You could be onto something there. I have Rousset and Frisch and music (or their interpretation possibly) never really made much of an impression. I'll try to give them few more spins.

Or better, try one of these, the one by Frederick contains more suites, the one by Arthur contains one suite and some transcriptions

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 07, 2016, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 07, 2016, 09:45:53 AM

There is no satisfying complete D'Anglebert. Rousset is shallow emotionally, Frisch is shallow and boring, Willi is great, but not a deep poet. Scott Ross seems just inconsistent - inspired  in the first suite but less so elsewhere.

The bar has been set very high by single discs, which show that this is intersting music - especially Frederick Haas's and Arthur Haas (presumably no relation!)

You have got a point there.

I own some D'Angelbert recordings (Cera, Ross, Willi, Knox, Stewart, Erdas, Tramier, having parted with Farr). Of these Stewart and Erdas appeal the most to me. On your recommendation I have now ordered the Frederick Haas. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 08, 2016, 04:34:13 AM
Let me draw the attention of the club mordus de d'Anglebert to this recording which I discovered today, released at the end of last year, played on a mean-tone tuned ( :)  - though I didn't notice until  I read it on the cover!) modern harpsichord based on an old one by Blanchet. It appears to have the requisite combination of melancholy in the allemandes and sarabandes, pervasive nobility, a winning way with that ubiquitous ornamentation and some variety of texture and touch.

I also listened to some of Laurent Stewwart's CD but I thought it was just a bit too vulgar -- the way he milks all the foot tapping tunes.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 08, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 08, 2016, 04:34:13 AM
Let me draw the attention of the club mordus de d'Anglebert to this recording which I discovered today, released at the end of last year, played on a mean-tone tuned ( :)  - though I didn't notice until  I read it on the cover!) modern harpsichord based on an old one by Blanchet. It appears to have the requisite combination of melancholy in the allemandes and sarabandes, pervasive nobility, a winning way with that ubiquitous ornamentation and some variety of texture and touch.

She [Mattax] is on my radar too, and now even more.

Quote from: Mandryka
I also listened to some of Laurent Stewwart's CD but I thought it was just a bit too vulgar -- the way he milks all the foot tapping tunes.

I never thought of his interpretation as being vulgar.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 10, 2016, 10:06:54 AM
I've been listening to Louis Couperin's F minor Pavanne. I heard

Moroney
Jane Chapman
Leonhardt (Alpha)
Leonhardt (DHM)
Skip Sempe
Asperen (EMI)
Richard Egarr
Rousset
Charivari Agreable
Kenneth Gilbert

Are there any others?

Rousset plays it like an aria from a tragic opera, there were times when he made time stand still.

Leonhardt (DHM) is like a long meditation on deep and abstract things.

Jane Chapman and Kenneth Gilbert both play it in a rather matter of fact way. They reminded me of Gulda's Beethoven.

Asperen (EMI) is mesmeric because he projects a sense of someone very intensely determined to get to the bottom of the music. Did he record it a second time?

Leonhardt (Alpha) is nonchalant and he plays with a great sense of swing. Colourful and full of amazing textures and voicings.

Richard Egarr made me appreciate the contrapuntal ingenuity of the music.

Moroney pounds his way through the music gracelessly.

By this time I'd had quite enough of the music for one day, so Skip Sempe may have been under-appreciated.

Charivari Agreable  have transposed  it for a little band of viols .

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 11, 2016, 03:12:32 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 10, 2016, 10:06:54 AM
I've been listening to Louis Couperin's F minor Pavanne. I heard

Moroney
Jane Chapman
Leonhardt (Alpha)
Leonhardt (DHM)
Skip Sempe
Asperen (EMI)
Richard Egarr
Rousset
Charivari Agreable
Kenneth Gilbert

Are there any others?

Yes, Wilson (Naxos) and Ogg (Globe).
Van Asperen has not yet recorded it in his ongoing Aeolus set.

BTW:  f-sharp minor pavane, not f-minor!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 11, 2016, 03:50:33 AM
Also, Blandine Verlet (Astree), and there might be a recording by Noëlle Spieth, she recorded two discs of Louis Couperin for Accord but I don't know if they include the Pavanne.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 11, 2016, 04:20:07 AM
Quote from: Draško on May 11, 2016, 03:50:33 AM
Also, Blandine Verlet (Astree), and there might be a recording by Noëlle Spieth, she recorded two discs of Louis Couperin for Accord but I don't know if they include the Pavanne.

Noelle Spieth's recording (2CD Accord) does not include the pavane.

I did not know the Verlet, my fault.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 11, 2016, 05:02:26 AM
Quote from: Draško on May 11, 2016, 03:50:33 AM
Also, Blandine Verlet (Astree)

Ah yes I listened to that, but I forgot to write it up. My notes say I found it unnatural and contrived, full of voicings and hesitations which I didn't understand or appreciate. I'll go back to it in a few months I think.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Jo498 on May 12, 2016, 01:21:47 AM
While I found some mentions of the composer Michel Corrette, I did not find anything specific about the 6? organ concertos. Any comments and/or recommendations?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 12, 2016, 02:38:13 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 11, 2016, 03:12:32 AM
Yes, Wilson (Naxos) and Ogg (Globe).
Van Asperen has not yet recorded it in his ongoing Aeolus set.

BTW:  f-sharp minor pavane, not f-minor!

Cheers, and Brigitte Haudebourg, who's not to be sneezed at (I know her through her Dandrieu, and just found her Louis C. She specialises in later music as far as I can see, and I think she's bringing that sensibility to the performance (a sort of naive joy.) The Ruckers she uses is fabulous.)

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 12, 2016, 05:22:51 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 12, 2016, 02:38:13 AM
Cheers, and Brigitte Haudebourg, who's not to be sneezed at (I know her through her Dandrieu, and just found her Louis C. She specialises in later music as far as I can see, and I think she's bringing that sensibility to the performance (a sort of naive joy.) The Ruckers she uses is fabulous.)

Yes, I got her somewhat older L.C. recording two months ago and listened to it then, but forgot about the pavane.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on July 09, 2016, 12:30:33 AM
New issue reviewed by Johan van Veen:

[asin]B01CPQM1ZI[/asin]

"Let us hope that more from Madin's oeuvre will appear on CD. For the time being we should enjoy this splendid disc."

http://www.musica-dei-donum.org/cd_reviews/Alpha_963.html

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Peter Power Pop on July 12, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: Que on July 09, 2016, 12:30:33 AM
New issue reviewed by Johan van Veen:

[asin]B01CPQM1ZI[/asin]

"Let us hope that more from Madin's oeuvre will appear on CD. For the time being we should enjoy this splendid disc."

http://www.musica-dei-donum.org/cd_reviews/Alpha_963.html

Q

https://www.youtube.com/v/zcasEmykEhQ
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on January 30, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 10, 2016, 10:06:54 AM
I've been listening to Louis Couperin's F minor Pavanne. I heard

Moroney
Jane Chapman
Leonhardt (Alpha)
Leonhardt (DHM)
Skip Sempe
Asperen (EMI)
Richard Egarr
Rousset
Charivari Agreable
Kenneth Gilbert

Are there any others?

Rousset plays it like an aria from a tragic opera, there were times when he made time stand still.

Leonhardt (DHM) is like a long meditation on deep and abstract things.

Jane Chapman and Kenneth Gilbert both play it in a rather matter of fact way. They reminded me of Gulda's Beethoven.

Asperen (EMI) is mesmeric because he projects a sense of someone very intensely determined to get to the bottom of the music. Did he record it a second time?

Leonhardt (Alpha) is nonchalant and he plays with a great sense of swing. Colourful and full of amazing textures and voicings.

Richard Egarr made me appreciate the contrapuntal ingenuity of the music.

Moroney pounds his way through the music gracelessly.

By this time I'd had quite enough of the music for one day, so Skip Sempe may have been under-appreciated.

Charivari Agreable  have transposed  it for a little band of viols .

This might have been from a while ago, but I've just gone on a similar romp through all the recordings of this pavan.
Some general impressions of this pavan - If Tombeau de Blancrocher is about bittersweet comfort and coming-to-terms in the face of death, and hope (but not without doubt) for better times, the Pavan is the utter opposite. It's dark and philosophical, indecisive and restless, with a sense of intense compassion to suffering, but also deep despair in the human condition (whatever that means).

Well, with that in mind...

Glenn Wilson (Naxos) - He starts the piece like a great orator, florid and noble. The playing is dignified and grandiose, but doesn't lose a sense of intimacy, like someone talking to you on personal terms. It's with a great sense of direction, but is very nicely paced. "Stoic" (as in Stoicism) is another word that comes to mind. I'll say that it's like reading Montaigne and learning how he comes to terms with his own mortality in his essay "To philosophize is to learn to die." Harpsichord sounds like a Ruckers-type - decadent, rubbery, but not without some "dryness," recorded somewhat far away

Moroney - Just like Mandryka says, it's quite a Brutalist-architecture type of recording. Not much humanity, just grandiose crash-crash. The probably fine, but tubby sounding harpsichord (Probably a non-Ruckers 18th century French - someone tell me) doesn't really help either. But later on the recording, some nuances and light-and-dark - even some charming ornaments - appear. Not as bad as what Mandryka thinks of it, but it definitely won't be anywhere near my shelves.

Brosse (Le clavecin au siecle des Louis XIV) - Tinny, metallic sounding harpsichord sort of spoils the recording. But if we can look past that, there's quite a cool sense of inégale to the playing. Still, it's too matter-of-fact for my taste, and sometimes tends to get a bit listless.

Ogg ("L. Couperin/ D'Anglebert Harpsichord works") - A nicely twangy 17th-century French harpsichord (or probably a copy of), but too remote of a recording for me. Not bad playing but it's still rather lackluster and a bit too shallow for my likes.

Leonhardt (alpha) - Seems like a 17th-century harpsichord, but thankfully it sounds more like a cross between a Ruckers and Grimaldi than a twangy mess. Intensely personal - no blinding epiphanies here, just someone at the end of their life (just like Leonhardt here) humbly relating to you their hopes and disappointments.

Leonhardt (DHM) - A Ruckers (if I remember correctly, it's the Ruckers in Castle Velen which Leonhardt made his extraordinary Froberger on.) that is nicely captured. I really like this recording, just because it's quiet, reserved, and deeply meditative, just like a 17th-century man brooding over a mememto-mori - not sad, happy, or anything, just deep in thought. The major part comes a quite a comfort and almost like a foil to the minor (which it probably is) here - the descending notes are like some dawning realization.

Verlet (Couperin vol. 2) - Hmmm... I don't know. It's the Colmar Ruckers again, gloriously recorded although rather close-sounding. The playing is gentle and lyrical, just typical of Verlet's style, and the cute meantone tuning allows for some delicious dissonances. But I'll have to agree that there's something missing here - and I can't put a finger down on what.

Stewart (vernay label) - The cover proudly declares that this is recording on a 1681 Tibaut harpsichord made in Toulouse, and it sounds quite marvelous - pearly, lean, even a bit (but not too) twangy. I think the playing reminds me of Leonhardt on alpha - unpretentious, not too emotional, but graceful and beautiful. I'll have to listen to it more times in order to say more, though...

Rousset - Twangy, dry sounding harpsichord - usually, the sound might sound distracting, but here it fits the pathos of the piece perfectly. The decay of the harpsichord makes it almost sound like it's weeping: I love the moment, around 50 seconds into the piece, where everything suddenly stops and two C's just cry out de profundis. It's hesitant and despairing, without any promise of comfort or salvation. This is the Shakespeare (probably most specifically Hamlet) of the interpretations - it constantly asks "Whither shall we fly from this reproach?" or "To be or not to be?"

Egarr - Again, a lean-sounding 17th century French harpsichord, although not as twangy as Rousset's and with an organ-like sustaining power. Quite a theatrical sort of grief - doesn't mean that it has to be un-genuine or shallow, just that it's quite grandiose and showman-like.

... to be continued
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on January 30, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
Hayashi ("Ascents of soul") - A plucky sounding harpsichord, probably a late 17th century French one. Meditative, thinking, inquiring, not really sorrowful (which is ok). Has a nice sense of rhythm. But lacks a sense of humble magnificence, I guess. Still, rather nice.

Sempe - A soft-spoken Ruckers. Actually reminds me quite a lot of van Asperen, but rather more hesitant and delicate. Humble, beautiful, full of humanistic compassion, like a father whose arms you cry into when you're sad. I can't say much more, but this recording is just lovely in a special way.

van Asperen - I'll admit, this was one of my my absolute favorite recordings, but it just tasted sorta bland after Sempe. Still, while not delicate as Sempe, it's still powerful, moving, and profound. van Asperen has a queer way of phrasing of little pauses that remind me of how some people speak which I really like. I love how everything just opens up in the middle section here.

So, in the manner of blind comparisons, here are them from least favorite to favorite.
Ogg+Brosse+Moroney (hard to rank the least-likes)
Verlet
Hayashi
Egarr
Stewart
(I would gladly own anything after this)
Leonhardt (Alpha)
Leonhardt (DHM)
Rousset
van Asperen
Wilson
Sempe
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Jo498 on May 20, 2017, 01:42:52 AM
I got Anton Heiller's (rather short 47 min, it probably was just one LP) Rameau disk some time ago but in the last few weeks it has become one of my favorites. The instrument might not be a historic one but except for a few tracks it sounds very nice to me (especiall the lute stops?) and the playing is quite infectious. I orderered and will hopefully receive soon his Couperin disc:

[asin]B0000257WO[/asin] [asin]B0000257WQ[/asin]

What are other great French harpsichord recitals out there? I have two discs each with Couperin on Naive (Verlet and Cochard), another with with Baumont (Erato/Warner). For Rameau the Heiller, one with Baumont and one with Rannou (in the Zigzag anniversary) and probably a few more in boxes or mixed recitals.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 20, 2017, 02:02:55 AM
A mixed French harpsichord  recital?  :)

This set by Davitt Moroney with music from the Borel manuscript is absolutely awesome (exclamation mark...):

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Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 20, 2017, 05:14:30 AM
Can't think of that many mixed French harpsichord recitals. Leonhardt's Couperin family recital on Philips and Skip Sempe's A French Collection on Paradizo first come to mind. Also Staier's ...pour passeur la melancolie even though it's not all French.

Some of my favorite non-mixed French harpsichord recordings

Leonhardt's Francois Couperin on DHM
Leonhardt's Louis Couperin on DHM
Sempe's Chambonnieres on DHM
Scott Ross complete Francois Couperin on STIL
Scott Ross complete Rameau on STIL
Leonhardt's Forqueray on Sony
Rousset's complete Louis Couperin on Aparte
Bertrand Cuiller's complete Rameau on Mirare
Rousset's Royer on Ambroisie
Blandine Rannou's complete Rameau on ZigZag
Christie/Fuller Armand Louis Couperin on HM
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: HIPster on May 20, 2017, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: Que on May 20, 2017, 02:02:55 AM
A mixed French harpsichord  recital?  :)

This set by Davitt Moroney with music from the Borel manuscript is absolutely awesome (exclamation mark...):

[asin]B001IYB5JC[/asin]
Q

Noted.  Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Jo498 on May 20, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
I only wrote that I am not aware of everything I might already have in artist-centered discs (e.g. the more recent Leonhardt Couperin that was collected in the "Decca" box) and with recitals I meant that I don't want "all of Couperin" or so. I do not especially want discs with more than one composer. But the Moroney recital looks certainly interesting.

Two weeks ago or so I thought about the "alpha" discs by Frisch and Rannou. They are at the same price (re-issue?) so Rannou is the better deal, only I have one of her Rameau discs already... But two discs cannot be "complete", can it?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 20, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 20, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
I only wrote that I am not aware of everything I might already have in artist-centered discs (e.g. the more recent Leonhardt Couperin that was collected in the "Decca" box) and with recitals I meant that I don't want "all of Couperin" or so. I do not especially want discs with more than one composer. But the Moroney recital looks certainly interesting.

I see....  :)

QuoteTwo weeks ago or so I thought about the "alpha" discs by Frisch and Rannou. They are at the same price (re-issue?) so Rannou is the better deal, only I have one of her Rameau discs already... But two discs cannot be "complete", can it?

This was the complete 4CD set:

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Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 20, 2017, 11:41:09 PM
My own French harpsichord short list, hopefully of any help:

D'Anglebert - Rousset (Decca) (Céline Frisch on Aplha is also very nice)
Champion de Chambonnières - Baumont  (AS Musique)
Louis Couperin - Rousset (Aparté)
François Couperin - Rousset (Harmonia Mundi, OOP) (Love to hear Scott Ross on STIL, which is also OOP)
Dandrieu - Baumont  (Accord)
Dieupart - Grémy-Chaulliac (Pierre Vérany)
Forqueray - Rousset (Decca)
Rameau - Rousset (Decca) or Rannou (Zig Zag)
Royer - Rousset (Ambroisie)
Marchand/Clérambault - Moroney (Plectra)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 21, 2017, 12:15:18 AM
Quote from: Que on May 20, 2017, 11:41:09 PM
My own French harpsichord shirt list, hopefully of any help:

D'Anglebert - Rousset (Decca) (Céline Frisch on Aplha is also very nice)
Champion de Chambonnières - Moroney  (AS Musique)
Louis Couperin - Rousset (Aparté)
François Couperin - Rousset (Harmonia Mundi, OOP) (Love to hear Scott Ross on STIL, which is also OOP)
Dandrieu - Baumont  (Accord)
Dieupart - Grémy-Chaulliac (Pierre Vérany)
Forqueray - Rousset (Decca)
Rameau - Rousset (Decca) or Rannou (Zig Zag)
Royer - Rousset (Ambroisie)
Marchand/Clérambault - Moroney (Plectra)

Q

Scott Ross's FC is not as good as his Rameau.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 21, 2017, 01:58:43 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 21, 2017, 12:15:18 AM
Scott Ross's FC is not as good as his Rameau.

Good to know!  :)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Jo498 on May 21, 2017, 02:02:58 AM
I checked again what I have, unless otherwise noted, single disc recitals. Nothing "complete" but considerably more than I remembered...

d'Agincour: Niquet/Glossa (I had totally forgotten about that one)
Clérambault: Gilbert/Archiv (two suites coupled with cantatas)
Louis Couperin: Curtis/Archiv, Haudebourg/Arion, Leonhardt (less than half a disc in "Legend")
Francois Couperin: Heiller/Vanguard, Baumont/Erato, Verlet/Naive (2 discs), Cochard/Ambroisie (2 discs; ordres 1,3,6,7), two discs with Leonhardt in "Legend", Christie/Rousset with works for 2 harpsichords/hm, Meyer (piano, half a disc in EMI box)
Forqueray (arrangements of gamba pieces by the younger Forqueray): Rannou/Zigzag
Rameau: Heiller/Vanguard, Baumont/Accord, Rannou/Zigzag (the 3rd disc of the 4-disc set that was included in a bargain Zigzag box, and is again included in the more recent 2-disc box, that's why the latter is not that attractive to me and the full set does look attractive but is oop and/or expensive), Spieth (pièces de clavecin en concert in solo versions) Meyer/EMI (piano, two disks)

I also thought about getting a version of the "concertant" version of the pièces de clavecin, either Rousset et al. or the more recent one with Ensemble Fleury (dhm)



Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 21, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
Quote from: Que on May 20, 2017, 11:41:09 PM

Champion de Chambonnières - Moroney  (AS Musique)


Baumont!!
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 21, 2017, 02:07:30 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 21, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
Beaumont!!

Baumont, indeed... :D

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on May 21, 2017, 02:08:58 AM
Quote from: Que on May 21, 2017, 02:07:30 AM
Baumont, indeed... :D

Q

You are very quick, I saw it within a few seconds (no edit notification in the post) , but did not manage to correct it, before you stepped in.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 21, 2017, 02:51:26 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 21, 2017, 02:02:58 AM

Clérambault: Gilbert/Archiv (two suites coupled with cantatas)

He is good at Clerambault, the second suite there is one of my favourites. His organ recording of Clerambault is also worth seeking out.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 21, 2017, 03:27:08 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 20, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
I only wrote that I am not aware of everything I might already have in artist-centered discs (e.g. the more recent Leonhardt Couperin that was collected in the "Decca" box) and with recitals I meant that I don't want "all of Couperin" or so. I do not especially want discs with more than one composer. But the Moroney recital looks certainly interesting.

Two weeks ago or so I thought about the "alpha" discs by Frisch and Rannou. They are at the same price (re-issue?) so Rannou is the better deal, only I have one of her Rameau discs already... But two discs cannot be "complete", can it?

Rannou's two disc reissue is not complete, originally on ZigZag it was four CD set though one disc was chamber music and one was very short (the reissue drops those two, chamber stuff and earliest solo pieces from 1706).

Complete Rameau can fit on two discs, excellent Bertrand Cuiller on Mirare does. Rannou is bit leisurely with her tempos.

In general "complete" sets with French harpsichord composers is not that daunting prospect, except for Francois Couperin most fit on two respective CDs - Louis Couperin, Chambonnieres, d'Anglebert, Forqueray (transciptions). Some take even less: Royer, Marchand, Clerambault. 
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on May 21, 2017, 04:40:23 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 21, 2017, 02:02:58 AM
Clérambault: Gilbert/Archiv (two suites coupled with cantatas)

I have that recording, only re-issued by Brilliant Classics!  :o

Haven't listened to it recently. I remember it being disappointing. I also have the three Clérambault discs on Naxos (all pretty good imo) + a SUPERB Opus 111 disc of four cantatas and a GREAT motet disc (Il Seminario Musicale/Lesne). Some other Clerambault on discs of French baroque.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Spineur on May 21, 2017, 05:15:53 AM
In addition to the excellent suggestions in this thread, I would recommend Gaspard le Roux harpsicord piece preferably played by Christophe Rousset

(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/92/32/0002894433292_300.jpg)

It is presently  OOP but it is downloadable on qobuz for 15€.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Jo498 on May 22, 2017, 10:46:27 AM
Quote from: Draško on May 21, 2017, 03:27:08 AM
Rannou's two disc reissue is not complete, originally on ZigZag it was four CD set though one disc was chamber music and one was very short (the reissue drops those two, chamber stuff and earliest solo pieces from 1706).

Complete Rameau can fit on two discs, excellent Bertrand Cuiller on Mirare does. Rannou is bit leisurely with her tempos.

In general "complete" sets with French harpsichord composers is not that daunting prospect, except for Francois Couperin most fit on two respective CDs - Louis Couperin, Chambonnieres, d'Anglebert, Forqueray (transciptions). Some take even less: Royer, Marchand, Clerambault.
Thanks! I figured out that I seem to have Rameau reasonably complete; Baumont with the 1706 and 1724 pieces, Rannou with the later ones. Do you prefer Cuiller's recording? Cuiller or Vinikour would be reasonably priced two-disc-sets, if I wanted to get an alternative. But I should probably try another lesser known composer first.

Does anyone know the contents of this CD below? The two Clérambault suites I have (on another issue, Collectio Argentea) but as it is a re-issue the rest must come from a different (or more than one). Kenneth Gilbert's Rameau has apparently not been re-issued since an early 2-CD-set around 1990.

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Drasko on May 22, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 22, 2017, 10:46:27 AM
Thanks! I figured out that I seem to have Rameau reasonably complete; Baumont with the 1706 and 1724 pieces, Rannou with the later ones. Do you prefer Cuiller's recording? Cuiller or Vinikour would be reasonably priced two-disc-sets, if I wanted to get an alternative. But I should probably try another lesser known composer first.

I prefer Cuiller to Baumont, and possibly to Rannou but they are pretty different in approach. But I agree that you don't really need the third set at this point. Better to spend on some other composers. My favorite is Louis Couperin, either Leonhardt (https://www.amazon.com/Couperin-Suites-Pavane-GUSTAV-LEONHARDT/dp/B0030BYU5W) or Rousset (https://www.amazon.com/Couperin-L-Suites-Christophe-Rousset/dp/B003EN2SAK).

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on May 22, 2017, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 22, 2017, 10:46:27 AM
Thanks! I figured out that I seem to have Rameau reasonably complete; Baumont with the 1706 and 1724 pieces, Rannou with the later ones. Do you prefer Cuiller's recording? Cuiller or Vinikour would be reasonably priced two-disc-sets, if I wanted to get an alternative. But I should probably try another lesser known composer first.

Does anyone know the contents of this CD below? The two Clérambault suites I have (on another issue, Collectio Argentea) but as it is a re-issue the rest must come from a different (or more than one). Kenneth Gilbert's Rameau has apparently not been re-issued since an early 2-CD-set around 1990.

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I think the Rannou reissue (sans in concerts) is good enough - there are better recordings of the in concert elsewhere (I like Bernolet/apotheosis, Procopio/Bismuth, Fortin/Masques, Pinnock/Podger) But the rest of Rannou is excellent, albeit on the characteristic slower, more meditative side (which I like, reminds me of Froberger and L. Couperin).

I also liked Belder. The in concerts included within the set is also quite good. It's on Brilliant so it's very economically priced.
Other recommends: Cuiller (mirare), Frisch (alpha; not complete), Latzarus (Out of print); of course, the much-hyped Rondeau's Vertigo is also excellent
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on May 22, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: bioluminescentsquid on May 22, 2017, 01:52:19 PM
I think the Rannou reissue (sans in concerts) is good enough - there are better recordings of the in concert elsewhere (I like Bernolet/apotheosis, Procopio/Bismuth, Fortin/Masques, Pinnock/Podger) But the rest of Rannou is excellent, albeit on the characteristic slower, more meditative side (which I like, reminds me of Froberger and L. Couperin).

I also liked Belder. The in concerts included within the set is also quite good. It's on Brilliant so it's very economically priced.
Other recommends: Cuiller (mirare), Frisch (alpha; not complete), Latzarus (Out of print); of course, the much-hyped Rondeau's Vertigo is also excellent

Some other great French Baroque
Chambonnieres - Lengelle 2nd recording (OOP, sound samples here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHsLZTLA0eM)
Chambonnieres - Skip Sempe
Leonhardt's recordings, of course
Skip Sempe Louis Couperin
Bob van Asperen Louis Couperin
Hogwood Louis Couperin
Wilson Louis Couperin
parts of Verlet's Louis Couperin....
Verlet's and Karen Flint's de la Guerre
Leonhardt's Forqueray, especially the last recording on the Hemsch
Koopman's Forqueray
Paolo Erdas D'Anglebert
Frisch D'Anglebert
Couture "La Belle Homicide"
Gluxam Duphly

Tentative rec. for Justin Taylor's Forqueray?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: king ubu on May 22, 2017, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 21, 2017, 02:02:58 AM
Francois Couperin: ... Cochard/Ambroisie (2 discs; ordres 1,3,6,7) ...

Just in case, there's a second one - I think these are excellent!

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 23, 2017, 01:10:36 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 22, 2017, 10:46:27 AM

Does anyone know the contents of this CD below? The two Clérambault suites I have (on another issue, Collectio Argentea) but as it is a re-issue the rest must come from a different (or more than one). Kenneth Gilbert's Rameau has apparently not been re-issued since an early 2-CD-set around 1990.

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It contains the two Clérambault suites, two C major pieces by D'Anglebert, the Louis Couperin Pavan, a couple of short pieces by Marais and Lebegue, and a suite (#5) by Le Roux. He uses the Vaudry at the Victoria and Albert, for once adequately recorded.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on May 23, 2017, 01:15:59 AM
Here's a French baroque CD which I think is pretty good

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71YPvGv4fcL._SL1216_.jpg)

And here's another

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/711/MI0003711378.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

And a third, though this one is a bit challenging, but people who like Webern and Cage may respond to her style

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/988/MI0000988754.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

This is special for the rarity of the music and the beauty of the duos with lute and harpsichord

(http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/music/939/1276939.jpg)

And if you're in the right mood, sun shining and slightly drunk, this can be most satisfying. Not great music maybe, but it would be churlish to deny it a place in life I think

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519lEREdmoL._SS500.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on June 18, 2017, 03:27:59 AM
(https://galatea-music.com/media/photos/img_actu/CYP1672_cover_low.jpg)

Gorgeous new recording from Béatrice Martin, this, made up of over familiar French classic pops mostly, but what she does which makes it stand out and makes it worth a listen, is capture a real sense of dream, fantasy. Oneiric. I can't remember anyone who does it so well in this music, I bet her approach is original and seems right on the money. You can tell I'm seduced by it.

The title's totally misleading, there's nothing savage about the way she plays, you couldn't imagine more refined and nuanced music making.


Nice old French harpsichord well recorded IMO. .

http://www.beatricemartinclavecin.com/
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on June 18, 2017, 07:32:07 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 18, 2017, 03:27:59 AM
(https://galatea-music.com/media/photos/img_actu/CYP1672_cover_low.jpg)

Gorgeous new recording from Béatrice Martin, this, made up of over familiar French classic pops mostly, but what she does which makes it stand out and makes it worth a listen, is capture a real sense of dream, fantasy. Oneiric. I can't remember anyone who does it so well in this music, I bet her approach is original and seems right on the money. You can tell I'm seduced by it.

The title's totally misleading, there's nothing savage about the way she plays, you couldn't imagine more refined and nuanced music making.


Nice old French harpsichord well recorded IMO. .

http://www.beatricemartinclavecin.com/

I remember that this one's been out for a while. Excellent disc, although I can't stop thinking that it's a clone of Jean Rondeau's Vertigo (or, more accurately, Vertigo is a clone of it) - even the harpsicords sound similar, although Rondeau's is a more Italianate/17th-century French style and Martin's is a Couchet. Of course, their playing styles vary - Martin's more introverted and "galant" in a way, Rondeau more extrovert and theatrical, but the repertoire and the style of playing are unmistakably similar.

Her Bach is excellent too.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on June 18, 2017, 08:49:07 AM
Yes I can see that, and clearly Rondeau has an excellent instrument. I haven't managed to get into Vertigo - nothing follows of course. With Béatrice it was love at first sight, metaphorically speaking.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 08, 2017, 10:59:50 AM
Karen Flint's recent second volume of music by Chambonnières, From Manuscript Sources, which so much impressed me, and continues to impress me, is now available as a stream in Tidal.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on July 23, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Beautiful Rameau suites by Fredrick Haas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn6n5VDVlxw&feature=share
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on July 24, 2017, 05:40:55 AM
Quote from: bioluminescentsquid on July 23, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Beautiful Rameau suites by Fredrick Haas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn6n5VDVlxw&feature=share

I didn't know that recording existed. Rameau's a bit off radar for me.

I just noticed a CD of music by Scarlatti by him on Tidal and Qobuz, he's playing his Hemsch,  initial impressions are that it's not  fast and furious. Scarlatti-arthratti. It's his second Scarlatti, the first, which I have, is on the harpsichord at Arras.

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: milk on November 28, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
I'm on this piano kick lately. Sokolov playing F. Couperin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBB3mhPXshY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBB3mhPXshY)

Sokolov gets points for adventure.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: bioluminescentsquid on December 27, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
(https://img.israbox.com/uploads/posts/2017-10/1508470610_magdalena-malec-christoph-urbanetz-the-forqueray-family_2009.jpg)

Oh yes. Some swashbuckling, fearless, swaggering Forqueray con cojones. Koopman has some competition. Fine original 18th-century Collesse harpsichord to boot.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 28, 2018, 12:22:05 AM
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Quote from: André on January 27, 2018, 11:16:43 AM
For the past 25 years I've been perfectly content to listen to the Hervé Niquet discs. But my little finger is itching to tell me it might be time for another take on these marvelous works. Thanks for this, I wasn't aware of these discs' existence. And Harry's endorsement is, of course, a further incentive to be serious about it  ;).

Quote from: André on January 27, 2018, 12:38:14 PM
Good evening, Que!

I have the Adda discs (as well as the same team's Campra works, another font of musical greatness). They are indeed excellent, but since they were recorded 30 years ago, I guesss things have changed - maybe substantially. Can you elaborate on the musical and technical aspects of these versions by Les Passions ?

Hi André, happy to oblige!  :) Though my means of comparison are limited: I have one of the Niquet  (reissued on Accord) and
Herreweghe's recording of the Requiem. What I know is that Andrieu prepared a revised edition for these recordings and that the Requiem is performed without later alterations. He uses a small choir of around 10, plus soloists. Important point is probably the low tuning at 392 Hz, which gives the music a deep, mellow glow. The Niquet sounds definitely brighter (and quicker). No big names amongst the soloists expect for Bruno Boterf, but they are uniformly good and quite up to their task.The performances I would describe, for lack of more precise terms, as very natural and flowing with measured tempi, spirited but never hard pressed.

Recordings are made in 2008, 2010 and 2012 in the St. Pierre des Chartres, Toulouse. The sound stage is very natural with church ambiance in moderation. Choir and orchestra sound very much integrated, less highlighted/ separated than in some other recordings. Perhaps less than some would prefer.

Most online reviews are in French, but naturally is no problem for you... (For me it's hard work, I use Google translate if I'm lazy... ;))

http://cmsdt-spectacles.blogspot.nl/2017/07/jean-gilles-musique-sacree-les-passions.html

http://www.musebaroque.fr/eh-bien-elle-ne-sera-executee-pour-personne-et-jen-veux-avoir-letrenne/

http://www.musebaroque.fr/jerusalem-convertere-ad-dominum-dem-tuum/

http://www.musebaroque.fr/aix-vaut-bien-une-messe/

In English:

http://www.saladelcembalo.org/cdreviews/gilles.html

https://www.amazon.com/Requiem-Jean-Gilles/dp/B002ZXZJ0G#customerReviews

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: André on January 28, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Great, thanks very much, Que !

Getting the french reviews is a labour of love for which I'm very grateful. They are extremely well-written and informative. I've noted a couple of reservations concerning what the reviewer deems a less than optimal energy level in some of the works, but from what I read it seems consistent with Andrieu's POV. He seems to have attempted to revert to Gilles' original intention in terms of the works' conceptions. The Requiem in particular has been subjected to numerous 'graffiti' in the XVIIIth century, adding an introductory march on the timpani, as well as adding clarinets and other instruments. That's how it was performed for the funeral services of Rameau, king Louis XV, etc. In Gilles' time church music was more devotional than ceremonial. That inevitably colours the concept quite differently.

Since I have the Niquet discs (which suffer from a certain 'dryness', again according to the reviewer), then Andrieu should prove a nice foil. I also have a K617 disc of petits et grands motets with the ensemble Les Festes d'Orphée under Guy Laurent, so that, too, will serve as a comparison to the new set. I have ordered it from Amazon, but it's 'back order' right now. Hopefully I will get it.

Thanks again, I really appreciate !!  ;)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: André on January 28, 2018, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: Que on January 28, 2018, 12:22:05 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71lEg01ZiFL._SX550_.jpg)

Hi André, happy to oblige!  :) Though my means of comparison are limited: I have one of the Niquet  (reissued on Accord) and
Herreweghe's recording of the Requiem. What I know is that Andrieu prepared a revised edition for these recordings and that the Requiem is performed without later alterations. He uses a small choir of around 10, plus soloists. Important point is probably the low tuning at 392 Hz, which gives the music a deep, mellow glow. The Niquet sounds definitely brighter (and quicker). No big names amongst the soloists expect for Bruno Boterf, but they are uniformly good and quite up to their task.The performances I would describe, for lack of more precise terms, as very natural and flowing with measured tempi, spirited but never hard pressed.

Recordings are made in 2008, 2010 and 2012 in the St. Pierre des Chartres, Toulouse. The sound stage is very natural with church ambiance in moderation. Choir and orchestra sound very much integrated, less highlighted/ separated than in some other recordings. Perhaps less than some would prefer.

Most online reviews are in French, but naturally is no problem for you... (For me it's hard work, I use Google translate if I'm lazy... ;))

http://cmsdt-spectacles.blogspot.nl/2017/07/jean-gilles-musique-sacree-les-passions.html

http://www.musebaroque.fr/eh-bien-elle-ne-sera-executee-pour-personne-et-jen-veux-avoir-letrenne/

http://www.musebaroque.fr/jerusalem-convertere-ad-dominum-dem-tuum/

http://www.musebaroque.fr/aix-vaut-bien-une-messe/

In English:

http://www.saladelcembalo.org/cdreviews/gilles.html

https://www.amazon.com/Requiem-Jean-Gilles/dp/B002ZXZJ0G#customerReviews

Q

Thanks a million !

Check my post in that French Baroque thread (I didn't know there was one  :-X).

André
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on January 28, 2018, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: André on January 28, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Great, thanks very much, Que !

Getting the french reviews is a labour of love for which I'm very grateful. They are extremely well-written and informative. I've noted a couple of reservations concerning what the reviewer deems a less than optimal energy level in some of the works, but from what I read it seems consistent with Andrieu's POV. He seems to have attempted to revert to Gilles' original intention in terms of the works' conceptions. The Requiem in particular has been subjected to numerous 'graffiti' in the XVIIIth century, adding an introductory march on the timpani, as well as adding clarinets and other instruments. That's how it was performed for the funeral services of Rameau, king Louis XV, etc. In Gilles' time church music was more devotional than ceremonial. That inevitably colours the concept quite differently.

Since I have the Niquet discs (which suffer from a certain 'dryness', again according to the reviewer), then Andrieu should prove a nice foil. I also have a K617 disc of petits et grands motets with the ensemble Les Festes d'Orphée under Guy Laurent, so that, too, will serve as a comparison to the new set. I have ordered it from Amazon, but it's 'back order' right now. Hopefully I will get it.

Thanks again, I really appreciate !!  ;)

André,  I can confirm the relatively lower level of energy. I think Andrieu does that as part of a purposely reverential aporoach.
Personally I'd preferred a little bit more zest...

I have the K617 disc with the ensemble Les Festes d'Orphée and I think it is the recording that comes actually the closest in approach I can think of.

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on February 08, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
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Blandine Verlet's 2018 recording of François Couperin's Dominos and other pieces. Serious and noble, surprisingly so in this music, and very expressive too - slow and pained -  in my opinion the music thrives under this sort of treatment and she makes it sound very interesting indeed. I think this is one to hear if you've got an open mind, even those who are normally allergic to François Couperin.

Great harpsichord, a copy of a Ruckers/Hemsch, outstanding sound engineering.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: premont on February 09, 2018, 06:00:56 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 08, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
.....this is one to hear if you've got an open mind, even those who are normally allergic to François Couperin.

You got me there.  :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on February 09, 2018, 07:49:09 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 09, 2018, 06:00:56 AM
You got me there.  :)
Well I knew that! I feel much the same, but nevertheless I found myself affected by Verlet in this recording. I can't say any more than that.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Draško on March 20, 2018, 06:01:42 AM
It seems 2018 will be a good year for Michel-Richard Delalande fans. Two new recordings of Grands Motets are forthcoming, I believe including four previously unrecorded pieces.

Schneebeli on K617 in September:
QuoteGRANDS MOTETS de MICHEL - RICHARD DE LALANDE Venite exultemus & Dominus regnavit (inédits, premier enregistrement) et De profundis LES PAGES & CHANTRES DU CMBV / COLLEGIUM MARIANUM (dir. Jana Semeradova) Direction : Olivier SCHNEEBELI  1CD disponible août / septembre 2018 4)

Dumestre with Le Poeme harmonique on Alpha next month:

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:D :D :D

Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Vinbrulé on April 02, 2018, 08:33:52 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 08, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/18/83/98/54/couper10.jpg)

Blandine Verlet's 2018 recording of François Couperin's Dominos and other pieces. Serious and noble, surprisingly so in this music, and very expressive too - slow and pained -  in my opinion the music thrives under this sort of treatment and she makes it sound very interesting indeed. I think this is one to hear if you've got an open mind, even those who are normally allergic to François Couperin.

Great harpsichord, a copy of a Ruckers/Hemsch, outstanding sound engineering.
I'm fairly satisfied with the Baumont complete recording of Couperin's harpsichord music, but ..... much more satisfied with this Verlet single disc.   Deeply involving , and gorgeous sound quality.   Pity it's so difficult, or impossible, to find the other Verlet recordings ( Couperin, Bach, De la Guerre, Froberger ..... and her old Philips recordings are never been transported on CD !! )
I will keep it as a treasure, besides my other favorites Pierre Hantai and Skip Sempè : three single CDs that are worth as much as a complete recording, obviously IMHO . 
I'm seriously tempted to buy the Violaine Cochard on Ambroisie label .  The trailers I've heard on Amazon seem to me very good. 
Has anyone tried the Moroney's Francois Couperin recordings on Plectra label ?
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Vinbrulé on April 18, 2018, 02:29:13 AM
These days I have added this lady composer to my list of friends   :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on April 18, 2018, 06:53:25 AM
Quote from: Vinbrulé on April 18, 2018, 02:29:13 AM
These days I have added this lady composer to my list of friends   :)

Yes very good, though I've not had a chance to get into either of those recordings. The ones I've been listening to most have been Blandine Verlet and Karen Flint -- solo music only, I don't know the chamber music at all.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Vinbrulé on April 28, 2018, 10:03:01 AM
Quote from: king ubu on May 22, 2017, 09:32:12 PM
Just in case, there's a second one - I think these are excellent!

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Magical playing from Cochard, this is the second double Couperin she did , I'm going to dive into the first .
I think she is not going to record the complete Couperin keyboard opus. She stopped here.
Pity. But this is really outstanding. 
Brava Violaine !!!   

UP TO DATE :  Another listening session to these CDs convinced me to put them in the recent Desert Island List , together with William Waters' Reusner and Alina Rotaru's Froberger.        :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Moonfish on May 27, 2018, 01:18:03 AM
This looks interesting!

Splendeurs de Versailles

I found a review for Splendeurs de Versailles on MusicWeb!   :)
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Mar/Splendeurs_Versailles_260.htm

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Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Moonfish on May 27, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
I'm a great admirer of Marin Marais. His compositions are truly mesmerizing. Any other Marias fans here at GMG?

Marin Marais: Intégrale du 4ème livre de pièces de viole
Six suites d'un goût français
Suites IV - II - III

Charbonnier, Rousseau, Buraglia, Trocelier



(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518mT2aJTaL._SL500_.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dNkAjSLuL.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Moonfish on May 27, 2018, 10:37:55 PM
Les menus plaisirs de Louis XIV de Paris à Versailles

Veronique Gens (soprano), Guillemette Laurens (mezzo-soprano), Christophe Rousset (harpsichord/conductor), Jaap ter Linden (cello), Concerto Palatino, Ensemble Correspondances, London Oboe Band, Trio Sonnerie, La Chapelle Royale, Les Arts Florissants, Cantus Cölln, La Simphonie du Marais, Gli Incogniti, Philippe Herreweghe, William Christie, Konrad Junghänel, Hugo Reyne, Amandine Beyer.

Samples via Harmonia Mundi: http://www.harmoniamundi.com/#!/albums/2118

Review on MusicWeb: http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2016/Jan/Plaisirs_Louis_HMX2908717.htm

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Ad from Harmonia Mundi
https://www.youtube.com/v/FNPR5i6yUBY
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on May 27, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on May 27, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
I'm a great admirer of Marin Marais. His compositions are truly mesmerizing. Any other Marias fans here at GMG?

Marin Marais: Intégrale du 4ème livre de pièces de viole
Six suites d'un goût français
Suites IV - II - III

Charbonnier, Rousseau, Buraglia, Trocelier



(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518mT2aJTaL._SL500_.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dNkAjSLuL.jpg)

Oh yes, and preferably by Charbonnier et al!  :)

It is a real pity that the reissue of the complete 4th Book was a one off, due to the demise of the French company that ran Pierre Vérany... ::)

Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on October 07, 2018, 09:51:20 PM
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I'm listening to Antoine's second and third suites in Deverite's Complete Forqueray. Dévérité's position is made clear in the booklet - he believes that Antoine Forqueray achieved a synthesis of Italian and French styles - lots of emotion (France) expressed ardently and extrovertly (Italy).  I'm not sure how well Dévérité can walk the walk, but I do think that his approach seems to make the music sound a bit like François Couperin.

In the pursuit of expressiveness Dévérité sometimes slows things right down so that we can really savour the way the music moves us, this is something that Blandine Rannou tried in her Forqueray recording too.

There's an aspect of Dévérité's harpsichord style which I think is important for assessing his success: he is lyrical, with phrases tending to be long and running smoothly into each other,  and he's flat  - there's not a great sense of relief, or of one voice interrupting another. Put another way, there is no quirky gnarled crotchetiness - Antoine Forqueray was reputed to be a bit of a bugger in real life and I guess some performers have made his music sound tough and bad tempered and quirky too. But not Dévérité.

So does Dévérité's  combination of long phrases, flatness and slow tempos produce something which is a bit too bland to be interesting to hear? I leave the question unanswered.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on September 22, 2019, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: bioluminescentsquid on January 30, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
Hayashi ("Ascents of soul") - A plucky sounding harpsichord, probably a late 17th century French one. Meditative, thinking, inquiring, not really sorrowful (which is ok). Has a nice sense of rhythm. But lacks a sense of humble magnificence, I guess. Still, rather nice.

Sempe - A soft-spoken Ruckers. Actually reminds me quite a lot of van Asperen, but rather more hesitant and delicate. Humble, beautiful, full of humanistic compassion, like a father whose arms you cry into when you're sad. I can't say much more, but this recording is just lovely in a special way.

van Asperen - I'll admit, this was one of my my absolute favorite recordings, but it just tasted sorta bland after Sempe. Still, while not delicate as Sempe, it's still powerful, moving, and profound. van Asperen has a queer way of phrasing of little pauses that remind me of how some people speak which I really like. I love how everything just opens up in the middle section here.

So, in the manner of blind comparisons, here are them from least favorite to favorite.
Ogg+Brosse+Moroney (hard to rank the least-likes)
Verlet
Hayashi
Egarr
Stewart
(I would gladly own anything after this)
Leonhardt (Alpha)
Leonhardt (DHM)
Rousset
van Asperen
Wilson
Sempe

I searched for the name Hayashi and this was the only reference I found. She's based in York, is active now and has a few recordings to her name. This was released earlier this year, and for me it's been one of the most rewarding releases of 2019 to date

(https://www.resonusclassics.com/freedownload/RES10236_cover_300dpi.jpg)

Hayashi does for Royer what Cuiller did for Rameau. Subjective, passionate, elegant, expressive. It's a radical, and I mean radical, reassessment of the music and I think that what she does is much more interesting than more theatrical, virtuoso approaches.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on November 02, 2019, 02:23:52 AM
Quote from: San Antone on November 01, 2019, 04:13:04 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81LxxfEviCL._SX522_.jpg)

Lambert : Leçons de Ténèbres
Marc Mauillon

Excerpt from Amazon reviewer Stephen Midgley (https://www.amazon.com/Lambert-Le%C3%A7ons-T%C3%A9n%C3%A8bres-Marc-Mauillon/dp/B0791ZXWDX/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=lambert+tenebres+de+lalande&qid=1572653289&s=music&sr=1-1-fkmr0):

Thanks for posting!  :) I don't have a recording of these Leçons... yet... :)

I know the comper from his (famous) airs de cour, some are which are included in the fabulous recording below:

[asin]B00004YZ10[/asin]
Q
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 01, 2020, 09:01:32 AM
At the moment, I'm listening to my modest Leclair collection - his works are listed in the quote below (Source) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Leclair) - from my count adds up to about 90 works, virtually all related to the violin; however, at least 8 of these compositions were written were a flute(s) could be substituted, hence the two 2-disc sets of 'Flute Music', one PI and one MI (note the * indicates the flute works from the Naxos set below).

Now, I've not perused the 30+ pages of this thread, so not sure how much has been discussed about Leclair - also, I've not updated this collection in years, so would be curious about other more recent offerings from this seminal French violinist - Dave :)

Leclair, Jean-Marie - "Jean-Marie Leclair, the Elder, (born 1697, Lyon - 1764, Paris), French violinist, composer, and dancing master who established the French school of violin playing. In 1722 Leclair was principal dancer and ballet master at Turin. After finishing his violin studies, he went to Paris and began in 1728 a brilliant career as a violinist-composer. He later became a musician of the royal chamber. Leclair, whose last years were clouded by despair and distrust, was murdered, possibly by his estranged wife or nephew. He published four books of sonatas for violin and continuo, two books of sonatas for two unaccompanied violins, five sets of Récréations for two violins and continuo, and two sets of string concerti. He also wrote an opera, Scylla et Glaucus. (edited - Source (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jean-Marie-Leclair-the-Elder))"

QuoteOp. 1 Nos. 1-12 Violin Sonatas*(2)
Op. 2 Nos. 1-12 Violin Sonatas*(5)
Op. 3 Nos. 1-6 Sonatas Two Violins
Op. 4 Nos. 1-6 Trios Two Violins + BC
Op. 5 Nos. 1-12 Violin Sonatas
Op. 6 Recreation de musique D Major
Op. 7 Nos. 1-6 Violin Concertos
Op. 8 Recreation de musique G Minor*(1)
Op. 9 Nos. 1-12 Violin Sonatas*(2)
Op.10 Nos. 1-6 Violin Concertos
Op. 11 Scylia de Glaucus, Tragedy Opera
Op. 12 Nos. 1-6 Sonatas Two Violins
Op. 13 Nos. 1-6 Overtures/Trios 2 Violins+BC
Op. 14 Trio Two Violins + BD
Op. 15 Violin Sonata  TOTAL (Op. 1 to 15) = 90
Divertissement for Le danger des epreuves
Apollon et Climene etc (lost)
Incidental airs and dances (lost)
*9 Flute Works in Naxos 2-CD set

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzkyOTMyMC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE1NjUwMDc0MDd9)  (https://img.cdandlp.com/2018/10/imgL/119315018.jpg)  (https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiODAyNDU5NS4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE1NDY0MzI5NzV9)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41TEEDCX2NL.jpg)  (https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzk1OTU1MC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0MDE5ODI1NTd9)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on April 01, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
Looks like I have exactly ONE work by Leclair: Sonata à trois Op. 2, No. 8 on an ONDINE disc that was given to me some years ago.

:P
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 01, 2020, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on April 01, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
Looks like I have exactly ONE work by Leclair: Sonata à trois Op. 2, No. 8 on an ONDINE disc that was given to me some years ago.

:P

Hi Pujo - well, I listened to those half dozen or so discs today and enjoyed; if you're into the flute, both of the double sets are quite good - my preference is for the period instrument recording on Accent - Barthold Kuijken uses an original (probably repaired) 1745 flute - for those who may be interested, a review of that recording is attached.  Also, Leclair is arguably considered the 'Father of French Violin Playing' and developed a number of innovations for the instrument, so the violin recordings are worth exploring - the first two images I showed above have Monica Huggett & Elizabeth Wallfisch respectively on period violins.  Dave :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: 71 dB on April 02, 2020, 06:49:20 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 01, 2020, 01:14:39 PM
Hi Pujo - well, I listened to those half dozen or so discs today and enjoyed; if you're into the flute, both of the double sets are quite good - my preference is for the period instrument recording on Accent - Barthold Kuijken uses an original (probably repaired) 1745 flute - for those who may be interested, a review of that recording is attached.  Also, Leclair is arguably considered the 'Father of French Violin Playing' and developed a number of innovations for the instrument, so the violin recordings are worth exploring - the first two images I showed above have Monica Huggett & Elizabeth Wallfisch respectively on period violins.  Dave :)

Thanks Dave for this info. Good to know there's so many good discs out there of Leclair, a composer who has remained under my radar for some unknown reason...  :P That one work I have is pretty nice stuff, so this a clearly a composer worth exploring.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Carlo Gesualdo on January 14, 2021, 10:36:35 PM
I am not the most devoted fan of Baroque, but sometime ago I purchased a wonderful album Featuring: Lully, a certain de Delalande I was not familiar whit and another name Guilian. The CD is called Messe du Roi Soleil, under direction of Margerite Louise, Géantan Jarry, the sleeve pretty so is the music, Label Château de Versaille.

You wont be disappointed, It made me like Lully and Jump in the past Motets CD on naxos volume 1-3, to rediscover Lully Motets.


I buy this whit a blindfold on, trust me...  8)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Carlo Gesualdo on May 19, 2021, 11:43:50 PM
Hello ghet this album fast, soon, someday

[asin]B07GVXBQC8[/asin]
Michel-Richard de Lalande on glossa is awesome perfert rendition, production, presentation


8)

Greetings folks
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 20, 2022, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on March 15, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
Chambonnieres, Jacques Champion de (1601/2-1672) - 'father' of 17th century harpsichord music, according to references that I've read - probably close to the truth.  Well, I now own the 3 recordings shown below, do I need all of them?  All are quite good and several are still available from BRO for bargain prices!  So, pertinent to this thread, I'd (and likely others) might be interested in member opinions of these various interpretations?  Thanks all -  :D

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41SNXMHZS4L.jpg)  (https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81G-H33HrlL._SL1500_.jpg)  (https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41k8DwaZ8XL.jpg)

LOL  :laugh:!  Post of mine above from 2011, and I still have the same 3 recordings - up to the 'C's now in a perusal of my classical collection - still wondering 'how much' duplication is in my Chambonnieres discs, so attached is an edited chart w/ a list of his compositions - I've tried to match them up as best as I can mainly using the keys and matching dance movements - the Baumont's w/ ? marks are ones w/ the same name, key and close together, i.e. don't know which one?  BUT, appears that Baumont duplicates all of the Flint disk I own (NOTE - on Amazon USA, Flint now has 5 discs listed in 2 packages); as to Lengellé, 3 pieces are not covered by Baumont.  Comments and recommendations appreciated - I've listened to each harpsichordist and prefer Baumont but the gals are good too!  Dave :)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on March 20, 2022, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on March 20, 2022, 10:23:21 AM
LOL  :laugh:!  Post of mine above from 2011, and I still have the same 3 recordings - up to the 'C's now in a perusal of my classical collection - still wondering 'how much' duplication is in my Chambonnieres discs, so attached is an edited chart w/ a list of his compositions - I've tried to match them up as best as I can mainly using the keys and matching dance movements - the Baumont's w/ ? marks are ones w/ the same name, key and close together, i.e. don't know which one?  BUT, appears that Baumont duplicates all of the Flint disk I own (NOTE - on Amazon USA, Flint now has 5 discs listed in 2 packages); as to Lengellé, 3 pieces are not covered by Baumont.  Comments and recommendations appreciated - I've listened to each harpsichordist and prefer Baumont but the gals are good too!  Dave :)

I have both the Flint sets. When I first got it I thought that Vol 2 was a real ear opener, that was the recording which started to make me think that Chambonnières was an interesting composer, for more than historical reasons. Particularly the D major pieces there. I like Baumont when he plays with with Claire Antonini , just because I like the combination of lute and harpsichord.

You're not going to pursue this, but the elephant in the room with Chambonnières is Jane Chapman - you'll find her on Spotify. It is a mini- Bauyn Manuscript revolution, a paradigm change.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 20, 2022, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 20, 2022, 11:27:45 AM
I have both the Flint sets. When I first got it I thought that Vol 2 was a real ear opener, that was the recording which started to make me think that Chambonnières was an interesting composer, for more than historical reasons. Particularly the D major pieces there. I like Baumont when he plays with with Claire Antonini , just because I like the combination of lute and harpsichord.

You're not going to pursue this, but the elephant in the room with Chambonnières is Jane Chapman - you'll find her on Spotify. It is a mini- Bauyn Manuscript revolution, a paradigm change.

Thanks - I'll take a look at the Flint sets (my recording is just a single disc), but I still like Baumont - had not heard of Jane Chapman, so did a little looking around on her website (quote from there) and at the 'meaning' of the Bauyn Manuscript, so I did some 'initial pursuit' -  ;)  Also, will look on Spotify and see what recordings of hers may be available there - not much on Amazon USA.  Dave :)

QuoteDescribed as "Britain's most progressive harpsichordist", and in the Guardian as "a fearless contemporary music performer" Jane Chapman is at the forefront of creating and inspiring new music for harpsichord. She has premiered over 200 solo, chamber and electroacoustic works for the instrument worldwide. Equally passionate about baroque and contemporary music, she has collaborated with ground-breaking composers, artists and dancers, working with musicians from the worlds of Indian music, jazz, and the avant-garde. ...her recordings and recitals reveal both a scholarly and inventive approach to the baroque repertoire. Her CDs of 18th-century English music, 'The Lady's Banquet', and of the 17th-century French Bauyn Manuscript, offered the first extensive overviews of important sources previously unexplored on disc and were both highly acclaimed.. (Source (https://www.janechapman.com))

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/816VUzzhuGL._SS500_.jpg)  (https://www.brunel.ac.uk/life/get-involved/brunel-arts/Concerts-and-performances/images/201718-Lunchtime-concerts/Jane-Chapman.jpg)
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Mandryka on August 01, 2022, 11:27:13 PM
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b2736e43ddfc496ad40e3efa2bec)

A very clear anticipation of Rubsam's lute harpsichord style. Rübsam produced the recording, clearly something was cooking up between them.
Title: Re: French Baroque Music
Post by: Que on August 02, 2022, 01:11:34 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 01, 2022, 11:27:13 PM
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b2736e43ddfc496ad40e3efa2bec)

A very clear anticipation of Rubsam's lute harpsichord style. Rübsam produced the recording, clearly something was cooking up between them.

It's a pity that I'm not keen on either of them, because I would love more lute-harpsichord recordings.