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Title: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 02, 2010, 02:23:36 PM
On another thread recently I noted a reference to someone's record collection numbering several thousand CDs and still growing rapidly.  Among other things, it made me wonder how often one might listen to individual records in a collection so large.  Even in my own comparatively meager collection there are dozens or even hundreds of CDs that I've not heard in years.

Running some numbers, I calculated that if I owned 1000 CDs and listened actively for 3 hours every day, it would take about a year to hear each of them once.  Yet there are many pieces that I would rather hear two or three times a month than hear certain others once every two or three years.  Just what are those most beloved pieces, I wondered...and don't they make up 80% or more of all my listening?  Could I be fairly well satisfied with only a hundred or so records?  And if I chose only 100 CDs (discs, not sets!), which would they be?

That reminded me of MNDave's tongue-in-cheek "100 Greatest Piccolo Concerti" threads.  I know similar things have been done before, here and elsewhere, but still I thought it might be a service to the Classical Newbies who stumble onto our forum to find the current members' ideas about what, for each of us, constitutes the core repertoire for which--if necessary--we would happily forsake all others, keeping ourselves only unto the chosen 100. 

And then I thought (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRes5sscnHmlNTk8p8OeK6mUSwvPcuSBzRhWq4r_UyLf4dmU6c&t=1&usg=__QqqBKZazWzWpdwW6TqyMfz8rvWw=)) "Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute!  What if each of us were to nominate just one disc, and so build an idiosyncratic recommended list that would truly reflect the tastes of our membership while offering newbies interested in building their own collections a list they're unlikely to find duplicated anywhere else?!"

If the idea intrigues you--or even if it doesn't but you want to participate anyway!--please add your candidate to the list started below.  The rules are simple: each of us may add only one CD--or, in the case of single works spanning multiple CDs, such as most operas--then only one work.  No box sets of symphony or sonata cycles, for instance.  For grey areas, such as Bach's Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin, customarily packaged as a single extended work spanning two CDs, please use your own discretion.  If you would like to include a recommended recording, please do so, but feel free to list only the composer and work if you prefer.

The GMG Essential Collection

1. Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia

It took several pages to arrive at the list of 100 reproduced below:
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 07:09:44 AM
The GMG Essential 100

1   Anonymous   Ludus Danielis     Estampie-Munich Ensemble      
2   Bach            Cello Suites           Fournier      
3   Bach                   Sonatas & Partitas for Violin    Enescu      
4   Bach            Goldberg Variations           Hantai/Mirare      
5   Bach                   St Matthew Passion    Fink/Goerne/Harnoncourt (2001)      
6   Bach                   Well-Tempered Clavier   Tureck/DG      
7      Bartόk           Wooden Prince           Boulez/CSO      
8   Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7    Kleiber/WP      
9   Beethoven   Piano Cto #5           Kempff/van Kempen/BP      
10   Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec      
11   Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet      
12   Beethoven   Missa Solemnis         
13   Beethoven    Symphony #9           Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)      
14   Berlioz           Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO      
15   Berg                   Chamber Cto     Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman      
16   Bloch           Evocations     Sedares/NZSO      
17   Brahms           Symphony #4     Reiner/RPO      
18   Brahms           Piano Cto #1     Gilels/Jochum/BP      
19   Brahms           Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114       Beaux Arts Trio /Pieterson      
20   Brahms           String Sextets      Amadeus Quartet et al      
21   Brahms           German Requiem      Kempe/Gruemmer/Fischer-Dieskau      
22   Bruckner           Symphony #7     Karajan/WP      
23   Chopin           Études             Pollini      
24   Chopin           Nocturnes     Arrau      
25   Copland           Appalachian Spring        Orpheus Chamber orch      
26   Debussy           Chamber Music for Woodwinds (+ Saint-Saens)   Bennett/Gough/et al      
27   Debussy           Preludes Bks 1 & 2        Michelangeli      
28   Debussy           Prélude...faune, Jeux, Images, Danses       Baudo/Czech Phil      
29   Dufay           Isorhythmic Motets       Huelgas Ensemble      
30   Dvořák           Symphonies 8 & 9       Mackerras/Prague      
31   Dvořák           Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)           Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP      
32   Dvořák           Symphony 7 / The Water Goblin   Belohlavek/Czech Phil      
33   Durufle            Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)           Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO      
34   Gluck           Orfeo & Euridice        Jacobs      
35   Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin      
36   Grainger           Country Gardens (+ works by Coates)       Fennell/Eastman-Rochester Pops      
37   Handel           Messiah           Christie      
38   Handel           Heroic Arias   Bowman/King      
39   Haydn          11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel      
40   Haydn          String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques      
41   Hildegard          A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns       Kirkby, et al      
42   Janáček          Cunning Little Vixen     Mackerras/WP      
43   Ligeti          Etudes, bks 1-3          Aimard      
44    Liszt                Favourite Piano Works     Bolet
45   Mahler          Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer      
46   Mahler           Symphony #5          Dohnanyi/CO      
47   Mahler          Symphony #9          Bernstein/RCO      
48   Martin          Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek      
49   Martinu          Symphony #4/Piano Cto #4/Tre ricercari        Turnovsky      
50   Massenet          Mélodies         Kruysen/Lee      
51   Medtner          Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"         
52   Mendelssohn  Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)     Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic      
53   Monteverdi      L'Orfeo           Pickett      
54   Monteverdi      Vespers           Bernius      
55   Mozart             Don Giovanni   Jacobs      
56   Mozart           Cosi fan tutte   Böhm (1953)      
57   Mozart            Late Symphonies          Harnoncourt/RCO      
58   Mozart           Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)      
59   Mozart           Requiem            Böhm/WP      
60   Mozart           Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet     Frost/Oundjian/Amsterdam Sinf
61    Mussorgsky   Boris Gudunov       Abbado/BP
62   Pärt                   Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus      Kremer/Jarrett/Sondeckis      
63   Pärt                   Kanon Pokajanen            
64   Pergolesi           Stabat Mater    Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano      
65   Prokofiev           Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO      
66   Prokofiev           War Sonatas           Richter      
67   Puccini           Turandot           Pavarotti/Sutherland/Mehta      
68   Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)      Richter      
69   Rachmaninov   Vespers           Svechnikov/USSR Nat'l Choir      
70   Rameau           Keyboard Works   Tharaud      
71   Ravel           Piano Trio            Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller      
72   Ravel           Daphnis et Chloe   Dutoit/Montreal      
73   Satie           Selected piano compositions       Aldo      
74   Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)        Levine/BP      
75   Schubert           String Quintet in C major          Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich      
76   Schubert           Sonata in G, D.894       Richter      
77   Schubert           Schwanengesang       Munteanu      
78   Schumann   Kinderszenen/Kreisleriana/Carnaval   Cortot      
79   Schumann   Symphony #4               Furtwängler/BP      
80   Schumann   Dichterliebe               Wächter/Brendel      
81   Shostakovich   String Quartet #8       Emerson or Borodin SQ      
82   Shostakovich   Symphony #7 "Leningrad"   Ančerl/Czech Phil      
83   Sibelius           Symphony #5/Violin Cto           Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth      
84   Sibelius           Symphony #4 & #7/Tapiola   Maazel/WP      
85   Strauss           Four Last Songs          Janowitz/Karajan/BP      
86   Stravinsky   Rite of Spring                  Bernstein/NYPO (1958)      
87   Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)          Bernstein/LSO/NYPO      
88   Stravinsky   L'oiseu de feu (complete)            Rattle/CBSO      
89   Suppe           Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO      
90   Tallis                   Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata      
91   Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO      
92   Tchaikovsky   Swan Lake      Svetlanov      
93   Tchaikovsky   Piano Trio op 50 (+ Shostakovich Piano Trio #2 op 67)    Argerich/Kremer/Maisky      
94   Vaughan Wms   Symphony #5      Previn/RPO      
95   Verdi           Requiem              Toscanini/NBC (1951)      
96   Victoria           Requiem 1605      Christophers/The Sixteen      
97   Vivaldi           Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine      Alessandrini      
98   Wagner           Tristan und Isolde               Böhm (1966)      
99   Wagner           Der Ring des Nibelungen       Solti/WP      
100   Weber           Der Freischütz       Keilberth

Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Philoctetes on September 02, 2010, 02:28:10 PM
The GMG Essential Collection

1. Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
2. Bach's Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 02, 2010, 02:46:22 PM
Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: drogulus on September 02, 2010, 02:47:24 PM


     Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 02, 2010, 02:50:10 PM
So far, so good--thanks, guys!

The GMG Essential Collection

1.  Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
2.  Bach's Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.  Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
4.  Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Verena on September 02, 2010, 03:00:10 PM
Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 02, 2010, 03:32:03 PM
Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 02, 2010, 03:54:15 PM
Grofé - Orchestral Works (Stromberg, Bournemouth SO, Naxos)

Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Conor71 on September 02, 2010, 04:09:17 PM
Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 02, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2010, 05:36:06 PM
The Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 02, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
The GMG Essential Collection

1.  Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
2.  Bach's Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.  Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
4.  Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
5.  Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
6.  Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
7.  Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
8.  Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
9.  Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
10.The Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.
11.Schubert - Sonata in G, D. 894 - Sviatoslav Richter
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: kishnevi on September 02, 2010, 07:18:56 PM
So many possibilities!
So far, no one has suggested chamber music, opera or violin concertos.  And very little solo piano music. 

And no one has proposed something by Shostakovich.

So, while I'd dearly love to propose Shostakovich's VC 1 (Mullova) or Beethoven's Late Quartets (just about anyone) or his late piano sonatas (Serkin),  or Falstaff,  I'll go with

--- Shostakovich's SQ 8, by either the Borodins or Emersons
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Air on September 02, 2010, 09:43:22 PM
Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: The new erato on September 02, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
Frank Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Marjana Lipovsek. ORF-Symphonieorchester / Lothar Zagrosek. Orfeo
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Papy Oli on September 02, 2010, 10:27:48 PM
Tallis - Spem In Alium / Salve Intemerata (Oxford Camerata - Jeremy Summerly / Naxos)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Franco on September 03, 2010, 02:37:06 AM
Durufle & Faure Requiems
Stephen Cleobury, ECO & Choir of King's College Cambridge; Peter Barley, Olaf Bar, Ann Murray
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 03, 2010, 05:07:31 AM
Quote from: RexRichter on September 02, 2010, 09:43:22 PM
Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard

Nice pick!

Hope someone chooses the string quartets as well.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: springrite on September 03, 2010, 05:12:35 AM
Quote from: erato on September 02, 2010, 09:54:12 PM
Frank Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Marjana Lipovsek. ORF-Symphonieorchester / Lothar Zagrosek. Orfeo

Now, that is one fine pick!!!

I am sure this brief case will never be a carry-on.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 03, 2010, 05:23:29 AM
The GMG Essential Collection

1.   Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
2.   Bach's Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.   Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
4.   Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
5.   Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
6.   Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
7.   Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
8.   Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
9.   Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
10. The Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.
11. Schubert - Sonata in G, D. 894 - Sviatoslav Richter
12. Shostakovich's SQ 8, by either the Borodins or Emersons
13. Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard
14. Frank Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek Orfeo
15. Tallis - Spem In Alium / Salve Intemerata (Oxford Camerata - Jeremy Summerly / Naxos)
16. Durufle & Faure Requiems- Cleobury/ECO & Choir of KCC/Barley/Bar/Murray
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 03, 2010, 05:49:13 AM
Schubert - String Quintet in C major (Emerson SQ or Melos Qt w/Rostropovich)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Drasko on September 03, 2010, 06:08:27 AM
Ravel - Piano Trio - Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller (Erato)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mark4mich on September 03, 2010, 04:11:29 PM
Beethoven Symphonies 5 and 7--Carlos Kleiber/Vienna Philharmonic
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Mirror Image on September 03, 2010, 06:41:19 PM
So hard, so hard!  :'(

Okay, here is mine and this may be an obscure choice or not even a good choice, but...

Bloch: Evocations, James Sedares, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, Koch

I could listen to this performance over and over and over again. I have never tired of this work. I could have went with a more popular composer, but where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 04, 2010, 05:16:06 AM
Twenty so far--hmmm, had I asked for five suggestions from each of us, we'd be done already!  ;D

The GMG Essential Collection

1.   Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
2.   Bach's Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.   Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
4.   Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
5.   Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
6.   Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
7.   Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
8.   Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
9.   Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
10. The Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.
11. Schubert - Sonata in G, D. 894 - Sviatoslav Richter
12. Shostakovich's SQ 8, by either the Borodins or Emersons
13. Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard
14. Frank Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek Orfeo
15. Tallis - Spem In Alium / Salve Intemerata (Oxford Camerata - Jeremy Summerly / Naxos)
16. Durufle & Faure Requiems- Cleobury/ECO & Choir of KCC/Barley/Bar/Murray
17. Schubert - String Quintet in C major (Emerson SQ or Melos Qt w/Rostropovich)
18. Ravel - Piano Trio - Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller (Erato)
19. Beethoven Symphonies 5 and 7--Carlos Kleiber/Vienna Philharmonic
20. Bloch: Evocations, James Sedares, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, Koch

Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 04, 2010, 06:19:54 AM
I could cheat and add one more...  :-[

Wagner - Tristan und Isolde (Bohm 1966/DG)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 04, 2010, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 04, 2010, 06:19:54 AM
I could cheat and add one more...  :-[

Wagner - Tristan und Isolde (Bohm 1966/DG)

Ooh, good one Sarah!  :)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 04, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
David, are you going up to the first 100 suggested recordings?  I like this idea, as you said, it is a list that could never be duplicated anywhere else, and is based on all our own individual picks!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 04, 2010, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 04, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
David, are you going up to the first 100 suggested recordings?  I like this idea, as you said, it is a list that could never be duplicated anywhere else, and is based on all our own individual picks!
It seemed worth a try, Ray.  So far I'm surprised by a few of the picks members deem essential for newbies, but that's partly the point of such a list, right?  And I had thought more members might wish to participate, but perhaps I misjudged the number posting regularly these days.  Guess I should have made it another "Mahler v. Bruckner:  Deathmatch!" poll if I really wanted more to join in.  ;)

So perhaps we should follow Sarah's lead and each nominate a second choice to see where that takes us...?  So far we have (alphabetized):

1.   Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
2.   Bach Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.   Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
4.   Beethoven Symphonies 5 and 7--Carlos Kleiber/Vienna Philharmonic
5.   Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
6.   Bloch: Evocations, James Sedares, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, Koch
7.   Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
8.   Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
9.   Durufle & Faure Requiems- Cleobury/ECO & Choir of KCC/Barley/Bar/Murray
10. Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard
11. Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
12. Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek Orfeo
13. Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
14. Ravel - Piano Trio - Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller (Erato)
15. Schubert - String Quintet in C major (Emerson SQ or Melos Qt w/Rostropovich)
16. Schubert - Sonata in G, D. 894 - Sviatoslav Richter
17. Shostakovich SQ 8, by either the Borodins or Emersons
18. Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
19. Tallis - Spem In Alium / Salve Intemerata (Oxford Camerata - Jeremy Summerly / Naxos)
20. Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.

plus Lethe's second pick: Wagner - Tristan und Isolde (Bohm 1966/DG)

for my second pick:
Sibelius, Symphony #5 + Violin Concerto, Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth


Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 04, 2010, 05:16:06 AM
Twenty so far--hmmm, had I asked for five suggestions from each of us, we'd be done already!  ;D

So hard to choose one!  Five would not be appreciably easier . . . .
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 04, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
My second pick:

Handel - Heroic Arias - Bowman/King/Hyperion.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Marc on September 04, 2010, 11:23:43 AM
I'd stuff the entire BWV Bach catalogue in that briefcase .... recordings selected by my humble personal self of course. 0:)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 04, 2010, 11:35:20 AM
Pick #2

Beethoven - Pathetique Sonata - Ivan Moravec
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Conor71 on September 04, 2010, 01:45:54 PM
For a Second pick:
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 2 / Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Sviatoslav Richter/DG 8).
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Post by: Brahmsian on September 04, 2010, 03:16:46 PM
An 'essential' list must include Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique  8)

Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique - Sir Colin Davis/London Symphony Orchestra
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Post by: Philoctetes on September 04, 2010, 03:39:04 PM
For my second pick:

Brahms's Piano Concerto No. 1, Gilels/Jochum/BPO
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 04, 2010, 04:25:22 PM
Oh. Now we get a second pick.

OK. Schubert's Schwanengesang, with tenor Petre Munteanu.
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Post by: Verena on September 04, 2010, 06:08:30 PM
Second pick: Since the Schubert Quintet has already been mentioned, I propose: Handel - The Messiah (Christie)
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Post by: Franco on September 04, 2010, 06:24:01 PM
2nd pick

Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms / Poulenc: Gloria / Bernstein: Chichester Psalms
Leonard Bernstein/London Symphony Orchestra, New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Camerata Singers, Westminster Choir
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Post by: Scarpia on September 04, 2010, 07:03:49 PM
2nd pick

Berg, Chamber Concerto.  Boulez, Barenboim, Zukerman, Ensemble Intercontemporian.
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Post by: kishnevi on September 04, 2010, 08:50:11 PM
Second pick.
Opera is still under-represented here.

Mozart Don Giovanni   Rene Jacobs recording
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 05, 2010, 04:05:01 AM
Round Two (so far):

1.   Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
2.   Bach Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.   Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
4.   Beethoven Symphonies 5 and 7--Carlos Kleiber/Vienna Philharmonic
5.   Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
6.   Beethoven - Pathetique Sonata - Ivan Moravec
7.   Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique - Sir Colin Davis/London Symphony Orchestra
8.   Berg, Chamber Concerto.  Boulez, Barenboim, Zukerman, Ensemble Intercontemporian.
9.   Bloch: Evocations, James Sedares, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, Koch
10. Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
11. Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1, Gilels/Jochum/BPO
12. Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
13. Durufle & Faure Requiems- Cleobury/ECO & Choir of KCC/Barley/Bar/Murray
14. Handel - The Messiah (Christie)
15. Handel - Heroic Arias - Bowman/King/Hyperion.
16. Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard
17. Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
18. Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek Orfeo
19. Mozart,  Don Giovanni - Rene Jacobs
20. Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
21. Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 2 / Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Sviatoslav Richter/DG 8).
22. Ravel - Piano Trio - Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller (Erato)
23. Schubert - String Quintet in C major (Emerson SQ or Melos Qt w/Rostropovich)
24. Schubert - Sonata in G, D. 894 - Sviatoslav Richter
25. Schubert Schwanengesang, with tenor Petre Munteanu.
26. Shostakovich SQ 8, by either the Borodins or Emersons
27. Sibelius, Symphony #5 + Violin Concerto, Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth
28. Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
29. Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms / Poulenc: Gloria / Bernstein: Chichester Psalms
      (Bernstein/LSO/NYPO Camerata Singers, Westminster Choir)
30. Tallis - Spem In Alium / Salve Intemerata (Oxford Camerata - Jeremy Summerly / Naxos)
31. Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.
32. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde (Bohm 1966/DG)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 05, 2010, 04:52:13 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 05, 2010, 04:05:01 AM
Round Two (so far):

1.   Bach: Cello Suites - Pierre Fournier/DG  :)
2.   Bach Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas -- Enescu
3.   Bach - Goldberg Variations - Hantai/Mirare.
4.   Beethoven Symphonies 5 and 7--Carlos Kleiber/Vienna Philharmonic
5.   Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 (Kempff, van Kempen)
6.   Beethoven - Pathetique Sonata - Ivan Moravec
7.   Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique - Sir Colin Davis/London Symphony Orchestra
8.   Berg, Chamber Concerto.  Boulez, Barenboim, Zukerman, Ensemble Intercontemporian.
9.   Bloch: Evocations, James Sedares, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra, Koch
10. Brahms Symphony No. 4 - Reiner/Royal Philharmonic
11. Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1, Gilels/Jochum/BPO
12. Chopin - Études (Pollini, Deutsche Grammophon)
13. Durufle & Faure Requiems- Cleobury/ECO & Choir of KCC/Barley/Bar/Murray
14. Handel - The Messiah (Christie)
15. Handel - Heroic Arias - Bowman/King/Hyperion.
16. Ligeti - Etudes, bks. 1-3 -- Aimard
17. Mahler, Das Lied von der Erde -- Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
18. Martin: Der Cornet. Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets. Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek Orfeo
19. Mozart,  Don Giovanni - Rene Jacobs
20. Mozart, Late Symphonies, Harnoncourt, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
21. Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 2 / Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Sviatoslav Richter/DG 8).
22. Ravel - Piano Trio - Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller (Erato)
23. Schubert - String Quintet in C major (Emerson SQ or Melos Qt w/Rostropovich)
24. Schubert - Sonata in G, D. 894 - Sviatoslav Richter
25. Schubert Schwanengesang, with tenor Petre Munteanu.
26. Shostakovich SQ 8, by either the Borodins or Emersons
27. Sibelius, Symphony #5 + Violin Concerto, Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth
28. Stravinsky The Rite of Spring -- Bernstein NYPO ('58)
29. Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms / Poulenc: Gloria / Bernstein: Chichester Psalms
      (Bernstein/LSO/NYPO Camerata Singers, Westminster Choir)
30. Tallis - Spem In Alium / Salve Intemerata (Oxford Camerata - Jeremy Summerly / Naxos)
31. Verdi Requiem. Toscanini, NBC 1951.
32. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde (Bohm 1966/DG)

Hmmmm....no Strauss, no Elgar, no Bruckner, Haydn, Nielsen, Dvorak, no Second Viennese School...no Dittersdorf!!!  What can I possibly choose  :-\

Okay:

First choice: Bruckner Symphony #7, Karajan, Wiener Philharmoniker

Second choice: Schoenberg 5 Pieces op.16, Webern 6 Pieces op.6, Berg 3 Pieces op.6, Levine, Berlin Phil


Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 05, 2010, 04:53:46 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 05, 2010, 04:52:13 AM
...no Second Viennese School.

You missed the Berg I picked.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 05, 2010, 04:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 05, 2010, 04:53:46 AM
You missed the Berg I picked.

I didn't miss it; I remember now seeing it...but my brain erased my short term memory almost immediately after reading it. One of the perks of my age and medication  ;D  Nice choice by the way.

Sarge
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Post by: mc ukrneal on September 05, 2010, 05:09:01 AM
Here are a couple from me (two I listen to quite often, and since I apparently missed the first go around):
Godowsky Studies on the Etudes of Chopin: Hamelin on Hyperion
Suppe/Auber Overtures: Paul Paray conducting DSO on Mercury
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mark4mich on September 05, 2010, 06:45:21 AM
2nd pick: Tchaikovsky and Brahms Violin Concertos--Heifitz/Reiner/Chicago Symphony Orchestra
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Post by: The new erato on September 05, 2010, 11:19:08 AM
My 2nd: Beethoven op 131, Busch Quartet
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Post by: Wanderer on September 05, 2010, 12:17:50 PM
Pick no.1: Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Pick no.2: Medtner: Sonata op.25/2 "Night Wind"
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Post by: Que on September 05, 2010, 01:12:39 PM
1st pick: Beethoven's symphony No. 9 -- Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (Lucerne '54)

2nd pick: Bach St Matthew Passion -- Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus Wien/ Prégardien/Fink/Goerne/Röschmann/Schäfer (2001)

Q
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 06:24:03 AM
I've used my picks up, but someone, but something by Janacek up there, please!!!
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Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 06:41:20 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 06:24:03 AM
I've used my picks up, but someone, but something by Janacek up there, please!!!
I agree with you and Sarge that many worthy composers and compositions are not represented...yet.  Looks as if it's time for round three.  Why don't you start it off with something by Janáček if you like?  (And next time I drop by I'll try alphabetizing all the latest additions  8) )
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Post by: George on September 06, 2010, 06:48:58 AM
Third pick -

Chopin - Nocturnes - Claudio Arrau
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 06:50:53 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 06:41:20 AM
I agree with you and Sarge that many worthy composers and compositions are not represented...yet.  Looks as if it's time for round three.  Why don't you start it off with something by Janáček if you like?  (And next time I drop by I'll try alphabetizing all the latest additions  8) )

Ok, I'm having trouble deciding between two options.  But I have to pick one.

Janacek, Cunning Little Vixen, Mackerras, Vienna Philharmonic.  (Those who tend to the gloomy can substitute Jenufa, Mackerras, Vienna Philharmonic).

(There's an opportunity for someone to be a hero and pick something by Dvorak.)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: The new erato on September 06, 2010, 06:57:40 AM
We need an updated list before we start on round three.
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 06, 2010, 08:15:06 AM
Dufay, the Isorhythmic Motets, Huelgas Ensemble on HM

And since pick 4 is inevitable:
Monteverdi, Verspers, F. Bernius on HM
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Post by: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 08:19:08 AM
My third pick:

Mozart - Great Mass in C minor - Leppard/EMI
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:27:16 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 06:50:53 AM
(There's an opportunity for someone to be a hero and pick something by Dvorak.)

I'm torn between the Szell/Fournier Dvorak Cello Concerto (coupled with Elgar) or the Kubelik 8 & 9. Which way should I go?

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 06:50:53 AM
Janacek, Cunning Little Vixen, Mackerras, Vienna Philharmonic.

Quote from: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 08:19:08 AM
My third pick: Mozart - Great Mass in C minor - Leppard/EMI

Outstanding, both.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 06, 2010, 08:28:47 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:27:16 AM
I'm torn between the Szell/Fournier Dvorak Cello Concerto (coupled with Elgar) or the Kubelik 8 & 9. Which way should I go?

Sarge

What kind of a Szellian are you?  :-\
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Post by: hornteacher on September 06, 2010, 08:30:07 AM
1st pick - Dvorak Symphony 8 and 9 - Sir Charles Mackerras/Prague Symphony

2nd pick - Mendelssohn VC - Hilary Hahn/Oslo Philharmonic

3rd pick - Copland Appalachian Spring - Orpheus Chamber Orchestra
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: George on September 06, 2010, 08:28:47 AM
What kind of a Szellian are you?  :-\

I know, I know...but I was trying to get the most bang for a buck, and with the Kubelik disc we get two great symphonies.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: hornteacher on September 06, 2010, 08:30:07 AM
1st pick - Dvorak Symphony 9 - Sir Charles Mackerras/Prague Symphony

2nd pick - Mendelssohn VC - Hilary Hahn/Oslo Philharmonic

3rd pick - Copland Appalachian Spring - Orpheus Chamber Orchestra

Okay, hornteacher makes the Kubelik redundant. So, my third pick: Dvorak Cello Concerto, Szell, Fournier, Berlin Phil.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 06, 2010, 08:36:16 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:30:36 AM
I know, I know...but I was trying to get the most bang for a buck, and with the Kubelik disc we get two great symphonies.

Sarge

I know, just teasin'.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: hornteacher on September 06, 2010, 08:37:10 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:31:53 AM
Okay, hornteacher makes the Kubelik redundant. So, my third pick: Dvorak Cello Concerto, Szell, Fournier, Berlin Phil.

Sarge

There ya go.  Tag teaming Dvorak.   :)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Franco on September 06, 2010, 09:10:45 AM
Pick #3

Haydn: 11 Keyboard Sonatas
Alfred Brendel
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Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 09:19:53 AM
Okay, per 3rd picks now underway, updated through hornteacher & Sarge's tag team Dvořák.  That makes 49 so far.  I've not added any 4th picks yet and will wait until we're running out of steam on pick number 3.

Bach   Cello Suites   Fournier               
Bach   Sonatas & Partitas for Violin   Enescu               
Bach   Goldberg Variations   Hantai/Mirare               
Bach   St Matthew Passion   Harnoncourt/CMW/Fink, Goerne, et al (2001)               
Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7   Kleiber/WP               
Beethoven   Piano Cto #5   Kempff/van Kempen/BP               
Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec               
Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet               
Beethoven   Missa Solemnis                  
Beethoven    Symphony #9   Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)               
Berlioz   Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO               
Berg   Chamber Cto   Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman/Ensemble Intercontemporain               
Bloch   Evocations   Sedares/NZSO               
Brahms   Symphony #4   Reiner/RPO               
Brahms   Piano Cto #1   Gilels/Jochum/BP               
Bruckner   Symphony #7   Karajan/WP               
Chopin   Études   Pollini               
Copland   Appalachian Spring   Orpheus Chamber orch               
Dvořák   Symphonies 8 & 9   Mackerras/Prague               
Dvořák   Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)   Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP               
Chopin   Nocturnes   Arrau               
Durufle    Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)   Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO               
Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin               
Handel   Messiah   Christie               
Handel   Heroic Arias   Bowman/King               
Janáček   Cunning Little Vixen   Mackerras/WP               
Ligeti   Etudes, bks 1-3   Aimard               
Mahler   Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia               
Martin   Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek               
Medtner   Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"                  
Mendelssohn   Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)   Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic               
Mozart     Don Giovanni   Jacobs               
Mozart    Late Symphonies   Harnoncourt/RCO               
Mozart   Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)               
Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)   Richter               
Ravel   Piano Trio   Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller               
Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)   Levine/BP               
Schubert   String Quintet in C major   Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich               
Schubert   Sonata in G, D.894   Richter               
Schubert   Schwanengesang   Munteanu               
Shostakovich   String Quintet #8   Emerson or Borodin SQ               
Sibelius   Symphony #5/Violin Cto   Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth               
Stravinsky   Rite of Spring   Bernstein/NYPO (1958)               
Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)   Bernstein/LSO/NYPO/Camerata Singers/Westminster Choir               
Suppe   Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO               
Tallis   Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata               
Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO               
Verdi   Requiem   Toscanini/NBC (1951)               
Wagner   Tristan und Isolde   Bohm (1966)               
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
Quote from: Franco on September 06, 2010, 09:10:45 AM
Pick #3

Haydn: 11 Keyboard Sonatas
Alfred Brendel
'bout time some Haydn showed up (guess Gurn's not participating...yet!)
Still no Bartόk or Debussy, Ravel or Prokofiev, Puccini or RVW...but for my third pick I'm going contemporary:

Pärt, Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus, Sondeckis/Lithuanian Chamber Orch
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 06, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
Here is my third pick (and it has to be Brahms)  Otherwise, it's just not right!   :)

Brahms - Piano Trio in C, Op.87; Piano Trio in C minor, Op.101; Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op.114 - Beaux Arts Trio & George Pieterson, clarinet
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Post by: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 09:54:40 AM
Let me know if these fly, David. 

Hildegard: Sequences and Hymns (Emma Kirkby and others/CD title: A Feather on the Breath of God)

Mozart: Requiem (Wiener Philharmoniker/Bohm)

Rachmaninov: Vespers, Op. 37 (National Choir of the USSR/ Svechnikov)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 06, 2010, 09:56:25 AM
I'm looking for Marvin or Andy D. to supply some more Vvvvvvagner! to the list.  Or Strauss!  :D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 10:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 09:54:40 AM
Let me know if these fly, David. 

Hildegard: Sequences and Hymns (Emma Kirkby and others/CD title: A Feather on the Breath of God)

Mozart: Requiem (Wiener Philharmoniker/Bohm)

Rachmaninov: Vespers, Op. 37 (National Choir of the USSR/ Svechnikov)
Look good to me, Bill--picks 1, 2, & 3
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: The new erato on September 06, 2010, 10:07:31 AM
My 3rd: Monteverdi: L'Orfeo / Pickett

If DVD's are allowed, I'll change this to Jacob's BBC version with Keenlyside.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: erato on September 06, 2010, 10:07:31 AM
My 3rd: Monteverdi: L'Orfeo / Pickett

If DVD's are allowed, I'll change this to Jacob's BBC version with Keenlyside.
Got it--let's stick with CDs but my interest is piqued in the Jacobs/BBC you mention.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Papy Oli on September 06, 2010, 10:46:07 AM
catchin' up.....  ;D

Pick # 2
Arvo Part - Kanon Pokajanen

Pick # 3
Pergolesi - Stabat Mater (Concerto Italiano / Alessandrini)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 10:54:05 AM
I can't imagine being on a desert island without the Janowitz/Karajan Vier Letze Lieder. Just gorgeous.

I also would be heartbroken not to have anything with Kirsten Flagstad singing on it. Even some old highlights cd.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Gabriel on September 06, 2010, 11:01:31 AM
I hope these won't be too surprising! ;)

1) Vivaldi: Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine (Alessandrini).
2) Rameau: Keyboard works (Tharaud).
3) Massenet: Mélodies (Kruysen/Lee).
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Air on September 06, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
#2: Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet -- Maazel, Cleveland
#3: Prokofiev War Sonatas -- Richter (hope we dont overload on this pianist!)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Air on September 06, 2010, 11:12:58 AM
Uh, some of us kinda need a WTC on our desert island... and a good load of other things ;D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: RexRichter on September 06, 2010, 11:12:58 AM
Uh, some of us kinda need a WTC on our desert island... and a good load of other things ;D

I'll recitfy the WTC absence when David gives the go-ahead for a 4th pick.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 12:05:36 PM
I'll recitfy the WTC absence when David gives the go-ahead for a 4th pick.

....and let's not forget about a cd of organ works!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Verena on September 06, 2010, 12:53:10 PM
Third pic: Victoria - Requiem 1605 (The Sixteen, Christophers)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 06, 2010, 01:32:23 PM
Third choice:

Haydn Op.76 quartets (Mosaïques Quartet)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Lethe on September 06, 2010, 01:32:23 PM
Third choice:

Haydn Op.76 quartets (Mosaïques Quartet)


OO! I'll go with that!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 12:35:47 PM
....and let's not forget about a cd of organ works!

If you accept the challenge, please make sure it isn't Michael Murray. :)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 02:28:19 PM
Okay, we're at 66 picks and counting.  Some are already itching for round 4 so let's go:

Sforzando's fourth round pick is listed as Monteverdi, Vespers, Bernius

and Bulldog Don's already champing at the bit for the WTC--gosh, I wonder which recording he'll choose... :-X

I still think Sibelius and Mahler are woefully underrepresented and note there's not a single Bartok nor Debussy disc yet, so let the games resume!

GMG Essential 100 (in progress)

Bach   Cello Suites   Fournier   
Bach   Sonatas & Partitas for Violin   Enescu   
Bach   Goldberg Variations   Hantai/Mirare
Bach   St Matthew Passion   Harnoncourt/CMW/Fink, Goerne, et al (2001)
Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7   Kleiber/WP
Beethoven   Piano Cto #5   Kempff/van Kempen/BP
Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec   
Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet
Beethoven   Missa Solemnis      
Beethoven    Symphony #9   Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)
Berlioz   Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO
Berg   Chamber Cto   Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman/Ensemble Intercontemporain
Bloch   Evocations   Sedares/NZSO
Brahms   Symphony #4   Reiner/RPO
Brahms   Piano Cto #1   Gilels/Jochum/BP
Brahms   Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114    Beaux Arts Trio & George Pieterson, clarinet
Bruckner   Symphony #7   Karajan/WP
Chopin   Études   Pollini   
Copland   Appalachian Spring   Orpheus Chamber orch
Dvořák   Symphonies 8 & 9   Mackerras/Prague
Dvořák   Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)   Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP
Chopin   Nocturnes   Arrau   
Durufle    Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)   Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO
Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin   
Handel   Messiah   Christie   
Handel   Heroic Arias   Bowman/King
Haydn   11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel   
Haydn   String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques
Hildegard   A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns   Kirkby, et al
Janáček   Cunning Little Vixen   Mackerras/WP
Ligeti   Etudes, bks 1-3   Aimard   
Mahler   Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia
Martin   Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek
Massenet   Mélodies   Kruysen/Lee
Medtner   Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"      
Mendelssohn   Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)   Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic
Monteverdi   L'Orfeo   Pickett
Monteverdi      Vespers    Bernius   
Mozart     Don Giovanni   Jacobs   
Mozart    Late Symphonies   Harnoncourt/RCO
Mozart   Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)
Mozart   Requiem   Böhm/WP
Pärt   Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus   Kremer/Jarrett/Sonceckis/Lithuanian Chamber Orch
Pärt   Kanon Pokajanen   Kaljuste?   
Pergolesi   Stabat Mater   Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano
Prokofiev   Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO
Prokofiev   War Sonatas   Richter   
Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)   Richter   
Rachmaninov   Vespers   Svechnikov/Nat'l Choir of the USSR
Rameau   Keyboard Works   Tharaud   
Ravel   Piano Trio   Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller
Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)   Levine/BP
Schubert   String Quintet in C major   Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich
Schubert   Sonata in G, D.894   Richter   
Schubert   Schwanengesang   Munteanu
Shostakovich   String Quintet #8   Emerson or Borodin SQ
Sibelius   Symphony #5/Violin Cto   Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth
Strauss   Four Last Songs   Janowitz/Karajan/BP
Stravinsky   Rite of Spring   Bernstein/NYPO (1958)
Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)   Bernstein/LSO/NYPO/Camerata Singers/Westminster Choir
Suppe   Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO
Tallis      Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata    Summerly/Oxford Camerata
Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO
Verdi   Requiem   Toscanini/NBC (1951)
Victoria   Requiem 1605   Christophers/The Sixteen
Vivaldi   Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine   Alessandrini
Wagner   Tristan und Isolde   Böhm (1966)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Drasko on September 06, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
#2 Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake - Svetlanov (Melodiya)
#3 Gluck - Orfeo & Euridice - Jacobs (Harmonia Mundi)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 06, 2010, 02:37:04 PM
Can't believe that the Mahler nuts have yet to include a numbered symphony ???

4th choice: Tchaikovsky - Symphony No.6 (Giulini, Philharmonia, EMI)

Actually, I noticed a slightly greater omission:

4th choice: Brahms - String Sextets (Amadeus Quartet et al., DG)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Franco on September 06, 2010, 02:43:29 PM
4th pick

The disc I have been listening to just now:

Claude Debussy / Camille Saint-Saens: Chamber Music for Woodwinds
William Bennett, Rachel Gough, Robin Kennard, James Campbell, Ian Jones, et al.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 02:45:58 PM
#4 Miles Davis: Kind of Blue ;D >:D

....but if we are sticking to classical:

Quote from: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 01:48:16 PM
If you accept the challenge, please make sure it isn't Michael Murray. :)

8)

Bach: Great Organ Works/Helmut Walcha....had to bypass the larger sets and stay with a 2 disc set.

Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Lethe on September 06, 2010, 01:32:23 PM
Third choice:

Haydn Op.76 quartets (Mosaïques Quartet)

Beauty!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Verena on September 06, 2010, 02:49:30 PM
4th pick: Brahms -  German Requiem (Kempe, Gruemmer (!!), Fischer-Dieskau)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 02:28:19 PM
Okay, we're at 66 picks and counting.  Some are already itching for round 4 so let's go:

Sforzando's fourth round pick is listed as Monteverdi, Vespers, Bernius

and Bulldog Don's already champing at the bit for the WTC--gosh, I wonder which recording he'll choose... :-X

Well, I'm tempted to go with Belder's harpsichord set - excellent performances in great sound.  Another enticing version is from pianist Roger Woodward on Celestial Harmonies - much better sound than Tureck and a somewhat similiar set of performances.  But in the final analysis, why settle for substitutes?  My 4th pick is:

Bach - Complete Well-Tempered Clavier - Tureck/DG
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Air on September 06, 2010, 03:17:10 PM
#4. Debussy, Preludes Bks. 1&2, Michelangeli

But what this list is really missing is Schumann.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2010, 04:21:46 PM
Here is my second pick:

Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 5, Andre Previn, Royal Philharmonic, Telarc

And my third pick:

Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe, Charles Dutoit, Montreal Symphony Orchestra, Decca
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
Bach WTC Gould (Columbia)
Bach Brandenburg Concertos (Pinnock)
Beethoven opus 132 (Borodin SQ)
Beethoven String Quartets (Takacs and Vegh...both sets or I'm not going anywhere)
Beethoven Symphonies (the Karajan '60's box, despite its faults)
Bruckner Symphonies (Karajan DG); also the 7th as conducted by Tintner.
Gorecki Symphony no. 3
Joseph Haydn opps. 20, 33, and 76 (Quatuor Mosaiques) opps 54 and 74 (Endellion); opus 77 (Kodaly)
Mozart Don Giovanni (Giulini, Schwarzkopf); The Requiem (Marriner); the String Duos and Trios (Guarneri)
Mahler Symphony nos. 6 and 9 (Abbado) and Symphony no. 7 (Solti)
Schoenberg The String Quartets (New Vienna); Pierrot Lunaire (Craft)
Richard Strauss Elektra and Salome (Solti, Nielsen); Die Alpensinfonie (Kempe)
Wagner 3 Rings (Solti, Boulez, Levine); 2 Tristan und Isolde (Bohm live, Kleiber studio recording); 2 Parsifals (Kubelik, Karajan); 2 Die Meistersingers (the old Solti set and the Horst Stein with Weikl).

There are probably more, and i haven't completely made up my mind on the different LvB Piano Sonata interpretations.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
Bach WTC Gould (Columbia)
Bach Brandenburg Concertos (Pinnock)
Beethoven opus 132 (Borodin SQ)
Beethoven String Quartets (Takacs and Vegh...both sets or I'm not going anywhere)
Beethoven Symphonies (the Karajan '60's box, despite its faults)
Bruckner Symphonies (Karajan DG); also the 7th as conducted by Tintner.
Gorecki Symphony no. 3
Joseph Haydn opps. 20, 33, and 76 (Quatuor Mosaiques) opps 54 and 74 (Endellion); opus 77 (Kodaly)
Mozart Don Giovanni (Giulini, Schwarzkopf); The Requiem (Marriner); the String Duos and Trios (Guarneri)
Mahler Symphony nos. 6 and 9 (Abbado) and Symphony no. 7 (Solti)
Schoenberg The String Quartets (New Vienna); Pierrot Lunaire (Craft)
Richard Strauss Elektra and Salome (Solti, Nielsen); Die Alpensinfonie (Kempe)
Wagner 3 Rings (Solti, Boulez, Levine); 2 Tristan und Isolde (Bohm live, Kleiber studio recording); 2 Parsifals (Kubelik, Karajan); 2 Die Meistersingers (the old Solti set and the Horst Stein with Weikl).

There are probably more, and i haven't completely made up my mind on the different LvB Piano Sonata interpretations.

Looks like more than four selections. ;D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 06, 2010, 05:09:48 PM
Pick 4 -

Schumann - Kinderszenen, Kriesleriana, Carnaval - Alfred Cortot

Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Martinu Symphony No 4, Piano Concerto No 4, Tre Ricerari, Turnovsky
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 06, 2010, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 04:54:35 PM

Richard Strauss  Die Alpensinfonie (Kempe)
Wagner  Rings (Solti, Levine); 2 Tristan und Isolde (Bohm live)

Schwing!!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RBnEa5uGSF8/SQ59Au3EjLI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/cdHVzovXeB8/s400/waynesWorld.gif)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
Bach WTC Gould (Columbia)
Bach Brandenburg Concertos (Pinnock)
Beethoven opus 132 (Borodin SQ)
Beethoven String Quartets (Takacs and Vegh...both sets or I'm not going anywhere)
Beethoven Symphonies (the Karajan '60's box, despite its faults)
Bruckner Symphonies (Karajan DG); also the 7th as conducted by Tintner.
Gorecki Symphony no. 3
Joseph Haydn opps. 20, 33, and 76 (Quatuor Mosaiques) opps 54 and 74 (Endellion); opus 77 (Kodaly)
Mozart Don Giovanni (Giulini, Schwarzkopf); The Requiem (Marriner); the String Duos and Trios (Guarneri)
Mahler Symphony nos. 6 and 9 (Abbado) and Symphony no. 7 (Solti)
Schoenberg The String Quartets (New Vienna); Pierrot Lunaire (Craft)
Richard Strauss Elektra and Salome (Solti, Nielsen); Die Alpensinfonie (Kempe)
Wagner 3 Rings (Solti, Boulez, Levine); 2 Tristan und Isolde (Bohm live, Kleiber studio recording); 2 Parsifals (Kubelik, Karajan); 2 Die Meistersingers (the old Solti set and the Horst Stein with Weikl).

There are probably more, and i haven't completely made up my mind on the different LvB Piano Sonata interpretations.
You have three picks coming, Andy, to catch up with the rest of us!  ;)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: hornteacher on September 06, 2010, 05:34:25 PM
Pick 4 - Mozart Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet, Martin Frost
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Pick 4--Sibelius, Symphonies 4 & 7/Tapiola -- Maazel/WP
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 06, 2010, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: RexRichter on September 06, 2010, 03:17:10 PM
#4. Debussy, Preludes Bks. 1&2, Michelangeli

But what this list is really missing is Schumann.

Nice pick! I took care of the Schumann.

Andy - Thus far we've only got 4 picks (works). So you gotta whittle down your list to four.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 05:41:04 PM
Here's the list so far, Andy, and you've had one pick already so get three to catch up.


Bach     Cello Suites   Fournier               
Bach  Sonatas & Partitas for Violin   Enescu               
Bach     Goldberg Variations   Hantai/Mirare               
Bach     St Matthew Passion   Harnoncourt/CMW/Fink, Goerne, et al (2001)               
Bach     Well-Tempered Clavier   Tureck/DG               
Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7   Kleiber/WP               
Beethoven   Piano Cto #5   Kempff/van Kempen/BP               
Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec               
Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet               
Beethoven   Missa Solemnis                  
Beethoven    Symphony #9   Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)               
Berlioz   Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO               
Berg     Chamber Cto   Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman/Ensemble Intercontemporain               
Bloch   Evocations   Sedares/NZSO               
Brahms   Symphony #4   Reiner/RPO               
Brahms   Piano Cto #1   Gilels/Jochum/BP               
Brahms   Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114    Beaux Arts Trio & George Pieterson, clarinet               
Brahms   String Sextets   Amadeus Quartet et al               
Brahms   German Requiem   Kempe/Gruemmer/Fischer-Dieskau               
Bruckner   Symphony #7   Karajan/WP               
Chopin   Études   Pollini               
Copland   Appalachian Spring   Orpheus Chamber orch               
Debussy   Chamber Music for Woodwinds (+ Saint-Saens)   Bennett/Gough/et al               
Debussy   Preludes Bks 1 & 2   Michelangeli               
Dvořák   Symphonies 8 & 9   Mackerras/Prague               
Dvořák   Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)   Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP               
Chopin   Nocturnes   Arrau               
Durufle    Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)   Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO               
Gluck   Orfeo & Euridice   Jacobs               
Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin               
Handel   Messiah   Christie               
Handel   Heroic Arias   Bowman/King               
Haydn   11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel               
Haydn   String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques               
Hildegard    A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns    Kirkby, et al               
Janáček   Cunning Little Vixen   Mackerras/WP               
Ligeti   Etudes, bks 1-3   Aimard               
Mahler   Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia               
Martin   Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek               
Marinu   Symphony #4/Piano Cto #4/Tre ricercari   Turnovsky               
Massenet     Mélodies     Kruysen/Lee               
Medtner   Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"                  
Mendelssohn   Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)   Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic               
Monteverdi   L'Orfeo   Pickett               
Mozart     Don Giovanni   Jacobs               
Mozart    Late Symphonies   Harnoncourt/RCO               
Mozart   Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)               
Mozart   Requiem   Böhm/WP               
Mozart   Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet   Frost/Oundjian/Amsterdam Sinfonietta               
Pärt   Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus   Kremer/Jarrett/Sonceckis/Lithuanian Chamber Orch               
Pärt   Kanon Pokajanen   Kaljuste?               
Pergolesi   Stabat Mater   Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano               
Prokofiev   Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO               
Prokofiev   War Sonatas   Richter               
Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)   Richter               
Rachmaninov   Vespers   Svechnikov/Nat'l Choir of the USSR               
Rameau   Keyboard Works   Tharaud               
Ravel   Piano Trio   Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller               
Ravel   Daphnis et Chloe   Dutoit/Montreal               
Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)   Levine/BP               
Schubert   String Quintet in C major   Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich               
Schubert   Sonata in G, D.894   Richter               
Schubert   Schwanengesang   Munteanu               
Schumann   Kinderszenen/Kreisleriana/Carnaval   Cortot               
Shostakovich   String Quartet #8   Emerson or Borodin SQ               
Sibelius   Symphony #5/Violin Cto   Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth               
Sibelius   Symphony #4 & #7/Tapiola   Maazel/WP               
Strauss   Four Last Songs   Janowitz/Karajan/BP               
Stravinsky   Rite of Spring   Bernstein/NYPO (1958)               
Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)   Bernstein/LSO/NYPO/Camerata Singers/Westminster Choir               
Suppe   Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO               
Tallis     Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata               
Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO               
Tchaikovsky   Swan Lake   Svetlanov               
Vaughan Williams   Symphony #5   Previn/RPO               
Verdi   Requiem   Toscanini/NBC (1951)               
Victoria   Requiem 1605   Christophers/The Sixteen               
Vivaldi   Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine   Alessandrini               
Wagner   Tristan und Isolde   Böhm (1966)               
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 06, 2010, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: hornteacher on September 06, 2010, 05:34:25 PM
Pick 4 - Mozart Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet, Martin Frost

Great choice.  It would be good if someone selected the Brahms clarinet quintet and sonatas.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 06, 2010, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 05:41:04 PM
Here's the list so far, Andy, and you've had one pick already so get three to catch up.

What happened to my third and fourth picks?  :'(
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Philoctetes on September 06, 2010, 07:45:07 PM
Satie - Selected Piano Compositions - Aldo
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: kishnevi on September 06, 2010, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 06, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
'bout time some Haydn showed up (guess Gurn's not participating...yet!)
Still no Bartόk or Debussy, Ravel or Prokofiev, Puccini or RVW...but for my third pick I'm going contemporary:

Pärt, Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus, Sondeckis/Lithuanian Chamber Orch

Puccini--good point.
So my third pick will be;
Puccini--Turandot--the Pavarotti/Sutherland recording conducted by Mehta

And pick number four--time to pay homage to my favorite
Mahler: Symphony 9--Bernstein from the DG cycle
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
My fourth pick:

Bartok: The Wooden Prince (complete ballet), Pierre Boulez, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, DG

If we get a fourth pick then...

Bruckner: Symphony No. 9, Carlo Maria Giulini, Vienna Philharmonic, DG
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: The new erato on September 06, 2010, 10:43:49 PM
If this continues, we'll eventually get to the point where all my 6000+ CDs are essential. Then I'll finally can show the list to the wife. Please continue!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: erato on September 06, 2010, 10:43:49 PM
If this continues, we'll eventually get to the point where all my 6000+ CDs are essential. Then I'll finally can show the list to the wife. Please continue!

Yeah, I've got around that many too. :) It's hard picking just four. I think 7,000 will do. :D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: jhar26 on September 06, 2010, 11:37:45 PM
My first pick....

-Mozart...Cosi Fan Tutte (Fischer - DVD)

if dvd's are not allowed I choose....

-Mozart...Cosi Fan Tutte (Bohm, 1963)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 02:24:32 AM
3? Arrrrrgh :-\!

Beethoven String Quartets (Vegh)
Wagner Ring Des Nibelungen (Solti)
Wagner Tristan und Isolde (Bohm)

Just one Ring? One LvB set of quartets?

Arrrgh redux!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 03:42:15 AM
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 02:24:32 AM
3? Arrrrrgh :-\!

Beethoven String Quartets (Vegh)
Wagner Ring Des Nibelungen (Solti)
Wagner Tristan und Isolde (Bohm)

Just one Ring? One LvB set of quartets?

Arrrgh redux!

Nice try, Andy, but still no cigar  :D  Lethe already picked Böhm's Tristan and a complete set of of Ludwig Van's quartets violates the rule: one CD or one complete work (like an opera or ballet). The complete Ring will probably be allowed.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 03:49:26 AM
My fourth pick: Mahler Symphony #5, Dohnányi, Cleveland

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 03:54:55 AM
Quote from: kishnevi on September 06, 2010, 08:28:20 PM
Puccini--good point.
So my third pick will be;
Puccini--Turandot--the Pavarotti/Sutherland recording conducted by Mehta

Mrs. Rock thanks you.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 07, 2010, 04:34:38 AM
#3 and 4:

Grainger/Coates: Country Gardens (Fennell/Eastman on Mercury)
Schumann: Dichterliebe (Wachter/Brendel)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Mrs. Rock on September 07, 2010, 04:39:20 AM
My four choices

Weber Der Freischütz, Keilberth

Schumann Symphony 4, Furtwängler Berlin Philharmonic

Dvorak Symphony 7 and Water Goblin, Belohlavek Czech Philharmonic

Ludus Danielis (The Play of Daniel), Estampie-Munich Ensemble for Early Music
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 04:43:44 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 06, 2010, 07:31:24 PM
What happened to my third and fourth picks?  :'(
Beats me--some glitch in transfering from excel to here--corrected, I hope

Andy--see the guidelines on page 1--making a list for newbies of 100 "essential" recordings--works or CDs, not cycles.  Böhm's T&I is already on the list, maybe others will chime in whether to allow the full Ring or just one music drama at a time... (in which case you could make it four picks in one  ;) )

The list so far:

Bach   Cello Suites   Fournier      
Bach   Sonatas & Partitas for Violin   Enescu      
Bach   Goldberg Variations   Hantai/Mirare      
Bach   St Matthew Passion   Harnoncourt/CMW/Fink, Goerne, et al (2001)      
Bach   Well-Tempered Clavier   Tureck/DG      
Bartόk   Wooden Prince   Boulez/CSO      
Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7   Kleiber/WP      
Beethoven   Piano Cto #5   Kempff/van Kempen/BP      
Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec      
Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet      
Beethoven   Missa Solemnis         
Beethoven    Symphony #9   Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)      
Berlioz   Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO      
Berg   Chamber Cto   Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman/Ensemble Intercontemporain      
Bloch   Evocations   Sedares/NZSO      
Brahms   Symphony #4   Reiner/RPO      
Brahms   Piano Cto #1   Gilels/Jochum/BP      
Brahms   Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114    Beaux Arts Trio & George Pieterson, clarinet      
Brahms   String Sextets   Amadeus Quartet et al      
Brahms   German Requiem   Kempe/Gruemmer/Fischer-Dieskau      
Bruckner   Symphony #7   Karajan/WP      
Chopin   Études   Pollini
Chopin   Nocturnes   Arrau      
Copland   Appalachian Spring   Orpheus Chamber orch      
Debussy   Chamber Music for Woodwinds (+ Saint-Saens)   Bennett/Gough/et al      
Debussy   Preludes Bks 1 & 2   Michelangeli      
Dufay   Isorhythmic Motets   Huelgas Ensemble      
Dvořák   Symphonies 8 & 9   Mackerras/Prague      
Dvořák   Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)   Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP      
Dvorak Symphony 7 and Water Goblin, Belohlavek Czech Philharmonic       
Durufle    Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)   Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO      
Gluck   Orfeo & Euridice   Jacobs      
Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin   
Grainger/Coates: Country Gardens (Fennell/Eastman   
Handel   Messiah   Christie      
Handel   Heroic Arias   Bowman/King      
Haydn   11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel      
Haydn   String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques      
Hildegard   A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns   Kirkby, et al      
Janáček   Cunning Little Vixen   Mackerras/WP      
Ligeti   Etudes, bks 1-3   Aimard
Ludus Danielis (The Play of Daniel), Estampie-Munich Ensemble for Early Music      
Mahler   Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Philharmonia      
Mahler    Symphony #5   Dohnanyi/CO      
Mahler   Symphony #9   Bernstein/RCO      
Martin   Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek      
Marinu   Symphony #4/Piano Cto #4/Tre ricercari   Turnovsky      
Massenet   Mélodies   Kruysen/Lee      
Medtner   Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"         
Mendelssohn   Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)   Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic      
Monteverdi   L'Orfeo   Pickett      
Monteverdi   Vespers   Bernius      
Mozart     Don Giovanni   Jacobs      
Mozart   Cosi fan tutte   Böhm (1953)      
Mozart    Late Symphonies   Harnoncourt/RCO      
Mozart   Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)      
Mozart   Requiem   Böhm/WP      
Mozart   Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet   Frost/Oundjian/Amsterdam Sinfonietta      
Pärt   Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus   Kremer/Jarrett/Sonceckis/Lithuanian Chamber Orch      
Pärt   Kanon Pokajanen   Kaljuste?      
Pergolesi   Stabat Mater   Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano      
Prokofiev   Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO      
Prokofiev   War Sonatas   Richter      
Puccini   Turandot   Pavarotti/Sutherland/Mehta      
Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)   Richter      
Rachmaninov   Vespers   Svechnikov/Nat'l Choir of the USSR      
Rameau   Keyboard Works   Tharaud      
Ravel   Piano Trio   Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller      
Ravel   Daphnis et Chloe   Dutoit/Montreal      
Satie   Selected piano compositions   Aldo      
Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)   Levine/BP      
Schubert   String Quintet in C major   Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich      
Schubert   Sonata in G, D.894   Richter      
Schubert   Schwanengesang   Munteanu      
Schumann   Kinderszenen/Kreisleriana/Carnaval   Cortot
Schumann: Dichterliebe (Wachter/Brendel)
Schumann Symphony 4, Furtwängler Berlin Philharmonic      
Shostakovich   String Quartet #8   Emerson or Borodin SQ      
Sibelius   Symphony #5/Violin Cto   Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth      
Sibelius   Symphony #4 & #7/Tapiola   Maazel/WP      
Strauss   Four Last Songs   Janowitz/Karajan/BP      
Stravinsky   Rite of Spring   Bernstein/NYPO (1958)      
Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)   Bernstein/LSO/NYPO/Camerata Singers/Westminster Choir      
Suppe   Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO      
Tallis    Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata      
Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO      
Tchaikovsky   Swan Lake   Svetlanov      
Vaughan Williams   Symphony #5   Previn/RPO      
Verdi   Requiem   Toscanini/NBC (1951)      
Victoria   Requiem 1605   Christophers/The Sixteen      
Vivaldi   Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine   Alessandrini      
Wagner   Tristan und Isolde   Böhm (1966)   
Weber Der Freischütz, Keilberth   
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 04:51:52 AM
That looks close to a hundred, yes?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 05:04:56 AM
Well, just in case I'm not too late, and without worrying whether these are really my four very favorite recordings:

Stravinsky, L'oiseau de feu (complete) / Rattle, CBSO
Shostakovich, Symphony № 7 Leningrad / Ančerl, Cz Phil
Debussy, Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, Jeux, Images pour orchestre, Danses sacrée et profane / Baudo, Cz Phil
Tchaikovsky, Pf Trio in a minor, Opus 50 / Shostakovich, Pf Trio № 2 in e minor, Opus 67 / Martha Argerich, Gidon Kremer, Mischa Maisky
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 05:19:26 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 04:51:52 AM
That looks close to a hundred, yes?
yep--with Mrs Rock's and yours, that makes 98 by my count--and if we let Andy take the Ring, then 99...and one more disc of LVB 4tets for him would make an even 100.

Let's hold off while I square away what we have after up to 4 picks each.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 05:24:54 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 05:19:26 AM
...if we let Andy take the Ring, then 99...

I'll always argue that the Ring is a single, unified work (the musical themes heard in Rheingold are developed throughout the four parts, and come to fruition in Götterdämmerung). The only reason I didn't pick it was because I thought someone like Marvin would surely do it for me. Andy returned just in time  8)

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 06:08:37 AM
There's certainly a good argument for including The Ring as one unified work that's a special case and far more fitting on such a list than some relatively obscure selections, so it stands.

By my count that makes 98 so far (and Andy's 2nd pick).  No one has more than 4 picks and it doesn't look as if we'll need more to reach 100.  As it stands, there are many of the usual suspects but also quite a few surprises of omission as well as commission.  I think the list below is complete to this point, so the next two selections will finish it.  Then it's time for our post-mortem game analysis!


1   Anonymous   Ludus Danielis   Estampie-Munich Ensemble      
2   Bach    Cello Suites   Fournier      
3   Bach           Sonatas & Partitas for Violin   Enescu      
4   Bach    Goldberg Variations    Hantai/Mirare      
5   Bach           St Matthew Passion    Fink/Goerne/Harnoncourt (2001)      
6   Bach           Well-Tempered Clavier   Tureck/DG      
7   Bartόk   Wooden Prince   Boulez/CSO      
8   Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7   Kleiber/WP      
9   Beethoven   Piano Cto #5   Kempff/van Kempen/BP      
10   Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec      
11   Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet      
12   Beethoven   Missa Solemnis         
13   Beethoven    Symphony #9   Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)      
14   Berlioz   Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO      
15   Berg           Chamber Cto   Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman      
16   Bloch   Evocations   Sedares/NZSO      
17   Brahms   Symphony #4   Reiner/RPO      
18   Brahms   Piano Cto #1   Gilels/Jochum/BP      
19   Brahms   Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114   Beaux Arts Trio /Pieterson      
20   Brahms   String Sextets   Amadeus Quartet et al      
21   Brahms   German Requiem   Kempe/Gruemmer/Fischer-Dieskau      
22   Bruckner   Symphony #7   Karajan/WP      
23   Chopin   Études   Pollini      
24   Chopin   Nocturnes   Arrau      
25   Copland   Appalachian Spring   Orpheus Chamber orch      
26   Debussy   Chamber Music for Woodwinds (+ Saint-Saens)   Bennett/Gough/et al      
27   Debussy   Preludes Bks 1 & 2   Michelangeli      
28   Debussy   Prélude...faune, Jeux, Images, Danses   Baudo/Czech Phil      
29   Dufay   Isorhythmic Motets   Huelgas Ensemble      
30   Dvořák   Symphonies 8 & 9   Mackerras/Prague      
31   Dvořák   Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)   Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP      
32   Dvořák   Symphony 7 / The Water Goblin   Belohlavek/Czech Phil      
33   Durufle    Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)   Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO      
34   Gluck   Orfeo & Euridice   Jacobs      
35   Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin      
36   Grainger   Country Gardens (+ works by Coates)   Fennell/Eastman-Rochester Pops      
37   Handel   Messiah   Christie      
38   Handel   Heroic Arias   Bowman/King      
39   Haydn   11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel      
40   Haydn   String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques      
41   Hildegard   A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns   Kirkby, et al      
42   Janáček   Cunning Little Vixen   Mackerras/WP      
43   Ligeti   Etudes, bks 1-3   Aimard      
44   Mahler   Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer      
45   Mahler    Symphony #5   Dohnanyi/CO      
46   Mahler   Symphony #9   Bernstein/RCO      
47   Martin   Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek      
48   Marinu   Symphony #4/Piano Cto #4/Tre ricercari   Turnovsky      
49   Massenet   Mélodies   Kruysen/Lee      
50   Medtner   Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"         
51   Mendelssohn   Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)   Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic      
52   Monteverdi   L'Orfeo   Pickett      
53   Monteverdi   Vespers   Bernius      
54   Mozart     Don Giovanni   Jacobs      
55   Mozart   Cosi fan tutte   Böhm (1953)      
56   Mozart    Late Symphonies   Harnoncourt/RCO      
57   Mozart   Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)      
58   Mozart   Requiem   Böhm/WP      
59   Mozart   Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet   Frost/Oundjian/Amsterdam Sinf      
60   Pärt           Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus   Kremer/Jarrett/Sondeckis      
61   Pärt           Kanon Pokajanen   Kaljuste?      
62   Pergolesi   Stabat Mater   Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano      
63   Prokofiev   Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO      
64   Prokofiev   War Sonatas   Richter      
65   Puccini   Turandot   Pavarotti/Sutherland/Mehta      
66   Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)   Richter      
67   Rachmaninov   Vespers   Svechnikov/USSR Nat'l Choir      
68   Rameau   Keyboard Works   Tharaud      
69   Ravel   Piano Trio   Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller      
70   Ravel   Daphnis et Chloe   Dutoit/Montreal      
71   Satie   Selected piano compositions   Aldo      
72   Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)   Levine/BP      
73   Schubert   String Quintet in C major   Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich      
74   Schubert   Sonata in G, D.894   Richter      
75   Schubert   Schwanengesang   Munteanu      
76   Schumann   Kinderszenen/Kreisleriana/Carnaval   Cortot      
77   Schumann   Symphony #4   Furtwängler/BP      
78   Schumann   Dichterliebe   Wächter/Brendel      
79   Shostakovich   String Quartet #8   Emerson or Borodin SQ      
80   Shostakovich   Symphony #7 "Leningrad"   Ančerl/Czech Phil      
81   Sibelius   Symphony #5/Violin Cto   Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth      
82   Sibelius   Symphony #4 & #7/Tapiola   Maazel/WP      
83   Strauss   Four Last Songs   Janowitz/Karajan/BP      
84   Stravinsky   Rite of Spring   Bernstein/NYPO (1958)      
85   Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)   Bernstein/LSO/NYPO      
86   Stravinsky   L'oiseu de feu (complete)   Rattle/CBSO      
87   Suppe   Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO      
88   Tallis           Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata      
89   Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO      
90   Tchaikovsky   Swan Lake   Svetlanov      
91   Tchaikovsky   Piano Trio op 50 (+ Shostakovich Piano Trio #2 op 67   Argerich/Kremer/Maisky      
92   Vaughan Williams   Symphony #5   Previn/RPO      
93   Verdi   Requiem   Toscanini/NBC (1951)      
94   Victoria   Requiem 1605   Christophers/The Sixteen      
95   Vivaldi   Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine   Alessandrini      
96   Wagner   Tristan und Isolde   Böhm (1966)      
97   Wagner   Der Ring des Nibelungen   Solti/WP      
98   Weber   Der Freischütz   Keilberth      
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Drasko on September 07, 2010, 06:14:23 AM
#4 Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov - Abbado (Sony)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 06:22:47 AM
One pick left!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 07, 2010, 06:24:51 AM
The list cries without a Verdi opera :(
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 06:31:12 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 06:24:51 AM
The list cries without a Verdi opera :(

Mrs. Rock wanted to pick MacBeth but I talked her out of it as being too eccentric. (MacBeth instead of Otello? Falstaff? Traviata?) So she picked a medieval "opera" instead. Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 06:31:26 AM
A very interesting list, and perhaps the fact that it is a bit idiosyncratic due the relatively random mode of its creation can be considered a feature.  More interesting than those "canons" that we are all supposed to own and listen to dutifully.

But still, no Strauss or Liszt, that's a bit of a gap. 
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 06:32:19 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 06:31:26 AM
A very interesting list, and perhaps the fact that it is a bit idiosyncratic due the relatively random mode of its creation can be considered a feature.  More interesting than those "canons" that we are all supposed to own and listen to dutifully.

But still, no Strauss or Liszt, that's a bit of a gap.
Four Last Songs, #83 ... or did you mean The Waltz King?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 06:35:02 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 06:32:19 AM
Four Last Songs, #83 ... or did you mean The Waltz King?

Duh, never mind.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 06:36:38 AM
#2 for me:

Liszt - Favourite Piano Works - Jorge Bolet
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 07, 2010, 06:37:40 AM
@Sarge: It is hard to pick just one - I would lean towards omitting Falstaff, Otello and Don Carlo, as they do not really represent his whole output. Falstaff is too advanced, Otello is too great, Don Carlo is too French. Perhaps Traviata or Aida are the best choices - probably Traviata for this list, as Puccini's Bohème hasn't made the cut (the two together would feel like duplication of a concept).

About the list: I was surprised at how the effort to make a "serious" and inclusive list made members such as myself pick good choices instead of the obscure crap we usually listen to. Even with some oddities, this list is better than the majority tossed around by paid writers.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: premont on September 07, 2010, 06:41:35 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 06:08:37 AM
1   Anonymous   Ludus Danielis   Estampie-Munich Ensemble      

Agreed that this is an interesting recording, but it is a strange choice being the only one on your list to represent the ages from 1100 to 1700 a.c.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 06:42:13 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 06:37:40 AM
About the list: I was surprised at how the effort to make a "serious" and inclusive list made members such as myself pick good choices instead of the obscure crap we usually listen to.

I chalk that to Dave's OP which oriented the list towards newbies.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 07, 2010, 06:45:56 AM
I figure that if anybody has already heard all of these, they generally don't need a catch-all list to help them look further - they can do it for themselves. Btw, thanks for rescuing Liszt from oblivion, MN Dave!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 06:46:26 AM
Quote from: premont on September 07, 2010, 06:41:35 AM
Agreed that this is an interesting recording, but it is a strange choice being the only one on your list to represent the ages from 1100 to 1700 a.c.

Not quite. There are two Monteverdi picks, representing the early Baroque; and Hildegard von Bingen, another medieval voice along with the Play of Daniel.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 06:52:59 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 06:45:56 AM
Btw, thanks for rescuing Liszt from oblivion, MN Dave!

:)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 06:54:45 AM
Go, Dave!

(Come back to the Shed!)
: )
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 06:58:51 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 06:54:45 AM
(Come back to the Shed!)[/font] : )

I closed the Shed. That other Shed is not the true Shed.  $:)

;)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:00:43 AM
"Splitters!" — Reg of the Judean People's Front
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: premont on September 07, 2010, 07:02:49 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 06:46:26 AM
Not quite. There are two Monteverdi picks, representing the early Baroque; and Hildegard von Bingen, another medieval voice along with the Play of Daniel.

Sarge

Yes you are right, the others "disappeared" in the lot.

We also forgot the Tallis, Dufay and Victoria. The problem to me may be, that the classical and the romantic ages are heavily overrepresented on DR´s list..
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 07:03:51 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 06:45:56 AM
Btw, thanks for rescuing Liszt from oblivion, MN Dave!

Yes, they probably don't have internet in heaven, but maybe they have it where Liszt is.   8)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 07:04:23 AM
King Arthur: "On second thought, let's not go to Camelotthe Shed. It is a silly place."
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 07:07:46 AM
Quote from: premont on September 07, 2010, 07:02:49 AM
We also forgot the Tallis, Dufay and Victoria.

Yes, I'm blind too!  ;D

QuoteThe problem to me may be, that the classical and the romantic ages are heavily overrepresented on DR´s list..

It was bound to be so. The group is representative of the larger classical listening public, I think. There are fierce proponents of earlier music here (yourself of course) but they are in the minority.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 07:09:44 AM
Finished!  Okay, here's the completed list.  I trust I'm not the only one who spies one or two unfamiliar items...?  Big surprises for me are the relative lack of Beethoven sonatas and SQs and no symphony 3 or 6, no Bartόk CfO or concertos, the low number of Mahler and Bruckner and Sibelius works, no Mozart piano concertos, no Verdi operas, and very little post-modern music.

The GMG Essential 100

1   Anonymous   Ludus Danielis     Estampie-Munich Ensemble      
2   Bach            Cello Suites           Fournier      
3   Bach                   Sonatas & Partitas for Violin    Enescu      
4   Bach            Goldberg Variations           Hantai/Mirare      
5   Bach                   St Matthew Passion    Fink/Goerne/Harnoncourt (2001)      
6   Bach                   Well-Tempered Clavier   Tureck/DG      
7      Bartόk           Wooden Prince           Boulez/CSO      
8   Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7    Kleiber/WP      
9   Beethoven   Piano Cto #5           Kempff/van Kempen/BP      
10   Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec      
11   Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet      
12   Beethoven   Missa Solemnis         
13   Beethoven    Symphony #9           Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)      
14   Berlioz           Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO      
15   Berg                   Chamber Cto     Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman      
16   Bloch           Evocations     Sedares/NZSO      
17   Brahms           Symphony #4     Reiner/RPO      
18   Brahms           Piano Cto #1     Gilels/Jochum/BP      
19   Brahms           Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114       Beaux Arts Trio /Pieterson      
20   Brahms           String Sextets      Amadeus Quartet et al      
21   Brahms           German Requiem      Kempe/Gruemmer/Fischer-Dieskau      
22   Bruckner           Symphony #7     Karajan/WP      
23   Chopin           Études             Pollini      
24   Chopin           Nocturnes     Arrau      
25   Copland           Appalachian Spring        Orpheus Chamber orch      
26   Debussy           Chamber Music for Woodwinds (+ Saint-Saens)   Bennett/Gough/et al      
27   Debussy           Preludes Bks 1 & 2        Michelangeli      
28   Debussy           Prélude...faune, Jeux, Images, Danses       Baudo/Czech Phil      
29   Dufay           Isorhythmic Motets       Huelgas Ensemble      
30   Dvořák           Symphonies 8 & 9       Mackerras/Prague      
31   Dvořák           Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)           Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP      
32   Dvořák           Symphony 7 / The Water Goblin   Belohlavek/Czech Phil      
33   Durufle            Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)           Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO      
34   Gluck           Orfeo & Euridice        Jacobs      
35   Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin      
36   Grainger           Country Gardens (+ works by Coates)       Fennell/Eastman-Rochester Pops      
37   Handel           Messiah           Christie      
38   Handel           Heroic Arias   Bowman/King      
39   Haydn          11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel      
40   Haydn          String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques      
41   Hildegard          A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns       Kirkby, et al      
42   Janáček          Cunning Little Vixen     Mackerras/WP      
43   Ligeti          Etudes, bks 1-3          Aimard      
44    Liszt                Favourite Piano Works     Bolet
45   Mahler          Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer      
46   Mahler           Symphony #5          Dohnanyi/CO      
47   Mahler          Symphony #9          Bernstein/RCO      
48   Martin          Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek      
49   Martinu          Symphony #4/Piano Cto #4/Tre ricercari        Turnovsky      
50   Massenet          Mélodies         Kruysen/Lee      
51   Medtner          Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"         
52   Mendelssohn  Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)     Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic      
53   Monteverdi      L'Orfeo           Pickett      
54   Monteverdi      Vespers           Bernius      
55   Mozart             Don Giovanni   Jacobs      
56   Mozart           Cosi fan tutte   Böhm (1953)      
57   Mozart            Late Symphonies          Harnoncourt/RCO      
58   Mozart           Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)      
59   Mozart           Requiem            Böhm/WP      
60   Mozart           Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet     Frost/Oundjian/Amsterdam Sinf
61    Mussorgsky   Boris Gudunov       Abbado/BP
62   Pärt                   Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus      Kremer/Jarrett/Sondeckis      
63   Pärt                   Kanon Pokajanen            
64   Pergolesi           Stabat Mater    Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano      
65   Prokofiev           Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO      
66   Prokofiev           War Sonatas           Richter      
67   Puccini           Turandot           Pavarotti/Sutherland/Mehta      
68   Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)      Richter      
69   Rachmaninov   Vespers           Svechnikov/USSR Nat'l Choir      
70   Rameau           Keyboard Works   Tharaud      
71   Ravel           Piano Trio            Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller      
72   Ravel           Daphnis et Chloe   Dutoit/Montreal      
73   Satie           Selected piano compositions       Aldo      
74   Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)        Levine/BP      
75   Schubert           String Quintet in C major          Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich      
76   Schubert           Sonata in G, D.894       Richter      
77   Schubert           Schwanengesang       Munteanu      
78   Schumann   Kinderszenen/Kreisleriana/Carnaval   Cortot      
79   Schumann   Symphony #4               Furtwängler/BP      
80   Schumann   Dichterliebe               Wächter/Brendel      
81   Shostakovich   String Quartet #8       Emerson or Borodin SQ      
82   Shostakovich   Symphony #7 "Leningrad"   Ančerl/Czech Phil      
83   Sibelius           Symphony #5/Violin Cto           Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth      
84   Sibelius           Symphony #4 & #7/Tapiola   Maazel/WP      
85   Strauss           Four Last Songs          Janowitz/Karajan/BP      
86   Stravinsky   Rite of Spring                  Bernstein/NYPO (1958)      
87   Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)          Bernstein/LSO/NYPO      
88   Stravinsky   L'oiseu de feu (complete)            Rattle/CBSO      
89   Suppe           Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO      
90   Tallis                   Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata      
91   Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO      
92   Tchaikovsky   Swan Lake      Svetlanov      
93   Tchaikovsky   Piano Trio op 50 (+ Shostakovich Piano Trio #2 op 67)    Argerich/Kremer/Maisky      
94   Vaughan Wms   Symphony #5      Previn/RPO      
95   Verdi           Requiem              Toscanini/NBC (1951)      
96   Victoria           Requiem 1605      Christophers/The Sixteen      
97   Vivaldi           Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine      Alessandrini      
98   Wagner           Tristan und Isolde               Böhm (1966)      
99   Wagner           Der Ring des Nibelungen       Solti/WP      
100   Weber           Der Freischütz       Keilberth


Edit:  typo corrected
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:10:58 AM
Fun list!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 07:12:25 AM
Do I have to buy all these now?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:18:01 AM
You've already got the Liszt! : )
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 07:20:23 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 07:12:25 AM
Do I have to buy all these now?
No, you can wait until we do the list of 100 essential box sets.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 07:20:33 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 07:18:01 AM
You've already got the Liszt! : )

Sings: "I've got a little Liszt! I've got a little Liszt!"
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 07:21:01 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 07:20:23 AM
No, you can wait until we do the list of 100 essential box sets.

oy
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 07:23:22 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 07:09:44 AM
Finished!  Okay, here's the completed list.  I trust I'm not the only one who spies one or two unfamiliar items...?  Big surprises for me are the relative lack of Beethoven sonatas and SQs and no symphony 3 or 6, no Bartόk CfO or concertos, the low number of Mahler and Bruckner and Sibelius works, no Mozart piano concertos, no Verdi operas, and very little post-modern music.

When do we start voting on amendments?  I got a large campaign donation from the Dittersdorf society and I think it is outrageous this great composer is not represented.  At least a half-dozen slots have to be earmarked for Dittersdorf.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:23:50 AM
Oh, be-have!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:25:58 AM
I just wish to state for the record that I still prefer Ozawa/BSO in the Prokofiev Romeo & Juliet to Maazel/Cleveland. Not that the latter is at all bad, mind you . . . .
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 07:30:17 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 07:23:22 AM
When do we start voting on amendments?  I got a large campaign donation from the Dittersdorf society and I think it is outrageous this great composer is not represented.  At least a half-dozen slots have to be earmarked for Dittersdorf.
Dittersdorf earmarks are proportional to the number of junkets...er...fact-finding missions funded by the Dittersdorf Society.

But, forsooth, methinks it might be amusing to discuss proposed amendments.  Anyone want to change their picks?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:31:05 AM
Not I . . . I only settled on them this morning! ; )
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 07:31:59 AM
I don't think we should. Or if we amend, we only amend our own selection. Otherwise, what's the use?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:33:37 AM
Oh, no one gets to amend another's suggestion(s)! Fie upon the very thought!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 07:41:22 AM
Even if we can't amend other people's suggestions, we can try to convince people to change their own picks.  For instance, if we have the entire Ring, do we need Tristan?   Maybe Strauss's Salome or Rosenkavelier instead?

Is the Requiem that most characteristic Verdi?  Why not Otello?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 07:48:40 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 07:41:22 AM
Even if we can't amend other people's suggestions, we can try to convince people to change their own picks.

I agree. To that effect, please change your Berg Chamber Concerto to Berg's Violin Concerto ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 07:51:08 AM

Strauss Eine Alpensinfonie (Kempe)
Wagner Parsifal (Kubelik)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 07, 2010, 07:54:18 AM
A sweet plan. One Ring is enough Wagner for a short(ish) list.

98   Wagner           Tristan und Isolde               Böhm (1966)
Strauss - Salome (Solti/Nilsson/Decca)

Issues alongside what David Ross observed: no Haydn or Schubert symphony disc, two Pärt discs (speaking as a fan, this is excessive), no Mussorgsky's Pictures, no Tchaikovsky PC1 or Sym6. No Grieg/Schumann PC coupling either. No Mendelssohn italian symphony either, eek!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:56:35 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 07:54:18 AM
. . . two Pärt discs (speaking as a fan, this is excessive) . . . .

2/100 . . . agreed.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 07:57:09 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 07:54:18 AM

Strauss - Salome (Solti/Nilsson/Decca)




I second (not that it matters).
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
Your agreement matters, Andy! : )
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 07, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 07:57:09 AM
I second (not that it matters).
Frankly, anyone who can enjoy the music and not be put off by the cover photograph is fine by me ;D

Nilsson is simply the best Salome. Whether you have to be blind or just enlightened to realise this, I am not sure.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 08:01:25 AM
Won't be the first cover I've had to disregard . . . .
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 08:03:01 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 07:48:40 AM
I agree. To that effect, please change your Berg Chamber Concerto to Berg's Violin Concerto ;)

Ok, I agree (Berg Violin Concerto, Mutter, Levine, Chicago Symphony) conditional on you changing your Mahler 5 to Barbirolli's recording.   :P
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 08:06:44 AM
Oh, gosh, I am sorry to see that Chamber Concerto recording go!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 08:03:01 AM
Ok, I agree (Berg Violin Concerto, Mutter, Levine, Chicago Symphony) conditional on you changing your Mahler 5 to Barbirolli's recording.   :P

Nah, Dohnányi and Cleveland blow the socks off the stodgy Barbirolli.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 08:08:25 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
Frankly, anyone who can enjoy the music and not be put off by the cover photograph is fine by me ;D

Nilsson is simply the best Salome. Whether you have to be blind or just enlightened to realise this, I am not sure.

She was also the best Elektra, Brunnhilde, and definitely maybe Isolde, in my humble opinion.


Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
Your agreement matters, Andy! : )


You are very kind!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 08:08:46 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 08:06:44 AM
Oh, gosh, I am sorry to see that Chamber Concerto recording go!

That's the problem with changing things now. I'm very sorry to see Tristan go...it's a far more important opera, in my opinion, than Salome.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 08:08:46 AM
That's the problem with changing things now. I'm very sorry to see Tristan go...it's a far more important opera, in my opinion, than Salome.

Sarge


Would there have been a Salome without Tristan und Isolde? I'm betting there certainly wouldn't have been an Elektra without it.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 07, 2010, 08:11:12 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 08:06:44 AM
Oh, gosh, I am sorry to see that Chamber Concerto recording go!

Chamber Concerto Stays!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
Nilsson is simply the best Salome. Whether you have to be blind or just enlightened to realise this, I am not sure.

I prefer Behrens, Studer, Nielsen, Welitsch and Caballé (edit: and Natalie Portman, I forgot Natalie Portman)...but then, I'm completely unenlightened  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 08:15:20 AM
As long as we don't come to blows, I welcome a vigorous discussion of alternatives, and lobbying is permitted, but as Grand Poobah of this thread, I rule against changing anyone else's picks but your own.  Heck, I'm not sure even that is ideal, as many of our choices were doubtless conditioned by our expectations about what others might or might not select...but I'm open to it if y'all think a revised list would be interesting as well (and even though keeping track of revisions might prove a chore I'll regret!  ;) ) 

And for those late to the party, or who wish to carry this exercise a step further in a slightly different direction, I've just started a Personal Essentials List thread here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,17174.msg447443.html#msg447443
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
I prefer Behrens, Studer, Nielsen, Welitsch and Caballé (edit: and Natalie Portman, I forgot Natalie Portman)...but then, I'm completely unenlightened  ;D

Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
I prefer Behrens, Studer, Nielsen, Welitsch and Caballé (edit: and Natalie Portman, I forgot Natalie Portman)...but then, I'm completely unenlightened  ;D

Sarge


I liked the Studer, but the rest I haven't heard. I thought that Stratas was an excellent Salome, and I love the dvd.

It's hard for me not to pick Nilsson, she's my favorite female heavy metal singer, ever.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 07, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 06:24:51 AM
The list cries without a Verdi opera :(

If the Verdi Requiem is not an opera, what is?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Lethevich on September 07, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 07, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
If the Verdi Requiem is not an opera, what is?
But where is the cross-dressing? :'(
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 12:00:23 PM
Maybe in the Lacrymosa . . . ?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 07, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
There are a few surprising omissions in my opinion:
Prokofiev Peter and the Wolf
Verdi Otello
Holst The Planets
Rimsky-K: Scheherezade

I would also, personally, have limited the composers to three works in order to make room for more variety of composers. If we did that now, we would have to vote off a few works and replace them with something (perhaps from the same person whose choice got the boot).  I would try to focus on composers who have been left out myself (so Prokofiev and Verdi, good as they are, would have less of a priority for me from the 4 I mentioned). Just a thought. If one is looking to have a few polls, this might be fun.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
But where is the cross-dressing? :'(
;D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: ukrneal on September 07, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
There are a few surprising omissions in my opinion:
Prokofiev Peter and the Wolf
Verdi Otello
Holst The Planets
Rimsky-K: Scheherezade

I would also, personally, have limited the composers to three works in order to make room for more variety of composers. If we did that now, we would have to vote off a few works and replace them with something (perhaps from the same person whose choice got the boot).  I would try to focus on composers who have been left out myself (so Prokofiev and Verdi, good as they are, would have less of a priority for me from the 4 I mentioned). Just a thought. If one is looking to have a few polls, this might be fun.

I can't see a reason for reconsideration of any aspect of the poll.  Dave gave us well-defined parameters, and each of us carried through honestly.

As for certain well-known works that are not on the list, let's keep in mind that nobody who submitted entries included those works.  We made our choices based on our priorities; if you don't like the results, you only have yourself to blame.  So, case closed.

Now if Dave wants to go over the 100 mark in order for those popular works to be included, that's his choice to make.  He's the boss of this thread, and I'll certainly go along with his mandates.

While I'm on this little rant, I have to say that I get real tired of board members grousing about polls on the board.  A member plans a poll, develops and initiates it, then records the results.  What he/she often gets in return is a bunch of grumpy responses or replies that are non-responsive.  If you don't like a poll, don't participate.  If you think there's a better way to do the poll, start your own.

Another thing that bugs me are the folks who essentially say, "Oh, I can't possibly make this decision. It's too hard."  What rubbish!!!  Each of us makes multiple decisions every day that are much more significant than making a list of a few recordings.

Well, I'm off to the supermarket to buy tonight's dinner.  It might be too hard to decide what to eat, given all the choices at my disposal. :P
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
A rant from Don. *marks calendar*
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 07, 2010, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
Well, I'm off to the supermarket to buy tonight's dinner.  It might be too hard to decide what to eat, given all the choices at my disposal. :P

To read your post, I never would have known that your stomach was empty.  ;D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 12:48:36 PM
I can't decide what I think of Don's post.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 07, 2010, 12:56:52 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
I can't see a reason for reconsideration of any aspect of the poll.  Dave gave us well-defined parameters, and each of us carried through honestly.

As for certain well-known works that are not on the list, let's keep in mind that nobody who submitted entries included those works.  We made our choices based on our priorities; if you don't like the results, you only have yourself to blame.  So, case closed.

Now if Dave wants to go over the 100 mark in order for those popular works to be included, that's his choice to make.  He's the boss of this thread, and I'll certainly go along with his mandates.

While I'm on this little rant, I have to say that I get real tired of board members grousing about polls on the board.  A member plans a poll, develops and initiates it, then records the results.  What he/she often gets in return is a bunch of grumpy responses or replies that are non-responsive.  If you don't like a poll, don't participate.  If you think there's a better way to do the poll, start your own.

Another thing that bugs me are the folks who essentially say, "Oh, I can't possibly make this decision. It's too hard."  What rubbish!!!  Each of us makes multiple decisions every day that are much more significant than making a list of a few recordings.

Well, I'm off to the supermarket to buy tonight's dinner.  It might be too hard to decide what to eat, given all the choices at my disposal. :P
No idea why you ranted at me. I am neither unhappy with the results nor upset with the process. I was merely making suggestions if other criteria were to be considered (as well as observing some interesting and popular omissions). Perhaps you were just hungary (I get grumpy myself when I haven't eaten).
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 01:08:25 PM
Goodness knöws, when I'm hungary, I'm magyar than a wet hen!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: MN Dave on September 07, 2010, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 12:48:36 PM
I can't decide what I think of Don's post.

I like it.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 07, 2010, 01:57:21 PM
I think Don said it best.  I like this list, because it is our list, with our input.  It is unique.   I think this thread should be pin-marked for new users.

Let's just hope that perhaps this list of 100 GMG is Volume I!  Volume II may be in the planning stages.  ;) :)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 07, 2010, 01:57:21 PM
I think Don said it best.  I like this list, because it is our list, with our input.  It is unique.   I think this thread should be pin-marked for new users.

Let's just hope that perhaps this list of 100 GMG is Volume I!  Volume II may be in the planning stages.  ;) :)
I see you and Don both are anticipating me.  ;)  Certainly we've yet to exhaust the works many of us deem essential, so if there's enough demand I think a second volume might be helpful to newbies looking to probe a bit deeper.   
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: ukrneal on September 07, 2010, 12:56:52 PM
No idea why you ranted at me. I am neither unhappy with the results nor upset with the process. I was merely making suggestions if other criteria were to be considered (as well as observing some interesting and popular omissions). Perhaps you were just hungary (I get grumpy myself when I haven't eaten).

I really wasn't ranting at you - just used your post as my introduction to the rant.

Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 07, 2010, 12:48:36 PM
I can't decide what I think of Don's post.

That's a good one. 8)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 02:10:47 PM
That's a good one. 8)
Yeah, but what did you get for dinner tonight?  Tamales?  (I'm making red beans and rice with Louisiana hot sausage.)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on September 07, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Yeah, but what did you get for dinner tonight?  Tamales?  (I'm making red beans and rice with Louisiana hot sausage.)

Eye-round roast beef, baked potatoes, salad and apple pie.  There's nothing like red meat, and I'm loaded with it.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 02:10:47 PM
That's a good one. 8)

Knew you'd appreciate it, sir!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 07, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: Lethe on September 07, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
But where is the cross-dressing? :'(

I take it you've never heard Pavarotti sing it live.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: kishnevi on September 07, 2010, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2010, 03:54:55 AM
Mrs. Rock thanks you.

Sarge

Always glad to be of service to a lady.  And a warm welcome to her, too. 

I think that's one of only two recordings I owned in both an LP and CD versions, the other being Furtwangler's Bayreuth 9th.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 08, 2010, 04:17:11 AM
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 08:33:26 AM

I liked the Studer, but the rest I haven't heard. I thought that Stratas was an excellent Salome, and I love the dvd.

It's hard for me not to pick Nilsson, she's my favorite female heavy metal singer, ever.

My admiration for Nilsson knows no bounds. A tremendous talent, a unique voice, a force of nature....utterly mindboggling live (I only heard her once unfortunately). But the love is missing. I just don't love her voice, especially in Salome where I think Behrens is more sensitive to the text, Studer more beautifully sung, Caballé more girlish sounding, and Nielsen far more believable as a spoiled adolescent brat determined to get her way. Considering her vocal acting, Nielsen is my favorite Salome.

Sarge
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brian on September 08, 2010, 06:20:00 AM
Quote from: ukrneal on September 07, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
There are a few surprising omissions in my opinion:
Prokofiev Peter and the Wolf
Verdi Otello
Holst The Planets
Rimsky-K: Scheherezade

If it is any consolation, I finally decided on my two discs after several days of agonizing, while in the shower this morning, and then checked this thread to see the game is over  :( :( but at least, without consulting the thread, I chose to include one of those four works!!

Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade / Scriabin: La poeme d'extase. LSO, Evgeny Svetlanov (BBC Legends)
Gershwin by Grofe: Rhapsody in Blue, I Got Rhythm, etc. Lincoln Mayorga, Al Gallodoro, Harmonie Ensemble (harmonia mundi)
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Ten thumbs on September 10, 2010, 01:23:17 AM
Because it is the CD I play the most often, I nominate:
Bonis: Piano Quartets, especially No.2 in D Major (Mozart Piano Quartet)
Not only does this CD provide two works of exceptional vigour and spirituality but as an added bonus the delightful 'Soir' and 'Matin' for violin, cello and piano. 'Matin' is almost the perfect piece of music to wake up to!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 12, 2010, 07:40:13 AM
I think this has been fantastic and shouldn't be allowed to sink.  I suggest that David Ross add a final post with the finalized list (maybe including who suggested each entry) that the thread be locked and made into one of those sticky threads stuck at the top.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 12, 2010, 07:42:40 AM
I wonder if that list can be somehow put on the GMG classical music home page www.good-music-guide.com (http://www.good-music-guide.com)?
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Scarpia on September 12, 2010, 07:43:23 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 12, 2010, 07:42:40 AM
I wonder if that list can be somehow put on the GMG classical music home page www.good-music-guide.com (http://www.good-music-guide.com)?

Does anyone ever look there?  I never have.  But one doesn't preclude the other.


Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: George on September 12, 2010, 07:44:17 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 12, 2010, 07:42:40 AM
I wonder if that list can be somehow put on the GMG classical music home page www.good-music-guide.com (http://www.good-music-guide.com)?

There's a Basic Collection link already there, but only 10 or releases are listed.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 12, 2010, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 12, 2010, 07:43:23 AM
Does anyone ever look there?  I never have.

You are probably right, however for someone new searching for the site, they could be led there with their searching, instead of www.good-music-guide.com/community.

Just an idea.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Brahmsian on September 12, 2010, 07:50:26 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 12, 2010, 07:40:13 AM
I think this has been fantastic and shouldn't be allowed to sink.  I suggest that David Ross add a final post with the finalized list (maybe including who suggested each entry) that the thread be locked and made into one of those sticky threads stuck at the top.

Sounds like a great idea!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: AndyD. on September 12, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 12, 2010, 07:50:26 AM
Sounds like a great idea!


I second! I would have loved seeing that back in 2006 (my first foray onto the site).
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 12, 2010, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: George on September 12, 2010, 07:44:17 AM
There's a Basic Collection link already there, but only 10 or releases are listed.

E'en so, that's not at all a bad list for the person just starting out. Not every beginner wants to buy 100 CDs at the outset.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DieNacht on November 03, 2011, 01:45:52 PM
QuoteThe GMG Essential 100

1   Anonymous   Ludus Danielis     Estampie-Munich Ensemble     
2   Bach            Cello Suites           Fournier     
3   Bach                   Sonatas & Partitas for Violin    Enescu     
4   Bach            Goldberg Variations           Hantai/Mirare     
5   Bach                   St Matthew Passion    Fink/Goerne/Harnoncourt (2001)     
6   Bach                   Well-Tempered Clavier   Tureck/DG     
7      Bartόk           Wooden Prince           Boulez/CSO     
8   Beethoven   Symphonies 5 & 7    Kleiber/WP     
9   Beethoven   Piano Cto #5           Kempff/van Kempen/BP     
10   Beethoven   Pathetique Sonata   Moravec     
11   Beethoven   String Quartet #14, op 131   Busch Quartet     
12   Beethoven   Missa Solemnis         
13   Beethoven    Symphony #9           Furtwängler/London Philharmonia (1954)     
14   Berlioz           Symphonie Fantastique   Davis/LSO     
15   Berg                   Chamber Cto     Boulez/Barenboim/Zuckerman     
16   Bloch           Evocations     Sedares/NZSO     
17   Brahms           Symphony #4     Reiner/RPO     
18   Brahms           Piano Cto #1     Gilels/Jochum/BP     
19   Brahms           Piano Trios op 87 & 101/Clarinet Trio Op.114       Beaux Arts Trio /Pieterson     
20   Brahms           String Sextets      Amadeus Quartet et al     
21   Brahms           German Requiem      Kempe/Gruemmer/Fischer-Dieskau     
22   Bruckner           Symphony #7     Karajan/WP     
23   Chopin           Études             Pollini     
24   Chopin           Nocturnes     Arrau     
25   Copland           Appalachian Spring        Orpheus Chamber orch     
26   Debussy           Chamber Music for Woodwinds (+ Saint-Saens)   Bennett/Gough/et al     
27   Debussy           Preludes Bks 1 & 2        Michelangeli     
28   Debussy           Prélude...faune, Jeux, Images, Danses       Baudo/Czech Phil     
29   Dufay           Isorhythmic Motets       Huelgas Ensemble     
30   Dvořák           Symphonies 8 & 9       Mackerras/Prague     
31   Dvořák           Cello Cto (w/Elgar cello cto)           Fournier/Szell/Wallenstein/BP     
32   Dvořák           Symphony 7 / The Water Goblin   Belohlavek/Czech Phil     
33   Durufle            Requiem (w/Faure Requiem)           Barley/Bar/Murray/Cleobury/ECO     
34   Gluck           Orfeo & Euridice        Jacobs     
35   Godowsky   Studies on the Etudes of Chopin   Hamelin     
36   Grainger           Country Gardens (+ works by Coates)       Fennell/Eastman-Rochester Pops     
37   Handel           Messiah           Christie     
38   Handel           Heroic Arias   Bowman/King     
39   Haydn          11 Keyboard Sonatas   Brendel     
40   Haydn          String Quartets op 76   Quatuor Mosaïques     
41   Hildegard          A Feather on the Breath of God-Sequences and Hymns       Kirkby, et al     
42   Janáček          Cunning Little Vixen     Mackerras/WP     
43   Ligeti          Etudes, bks 1-3          Aimard     
44    Liszt                Favourite Piano Works     Bolet
45   Mahler          Das Lied von der Erde   Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer     
46   Mahler           Symphony #5          Dohnanyi/CO     
47   Mahler          Symphony #9          Bernstein/RCO     
48   Martin          Der Cornet/Die Weise von Liebe und Tod des Cornets   Lipovsek/ORFSO/Zagrosek     
49   Martinu          Symphony #4/Piano Cto #4/Tre ricercari        Turnovsky     
50   Massenet          Mélodies         Kruysen/Lee     
51   Medtner          Sonata op. 25/2, "Night Wind"         
52   Mendelssohn  Violin Cto (w/Shostakovich Violin Cto #1)     Hahn/Wolff/Oslo Philharmonic     
53   Monteverdi      L'Orfeo           Pickett     
54   Monteverdi      Vespers           Bernius     
55   Mozart             Don Giovanni   Jacobs     
56   Mozart           Cosi fan tutte   Böhm (1953)     
57   Mozart            Late Symphonies          Harnoncourt/RCO     
58   Mozart           Great Mass in C minor   Leppard (EMI)     
59   Mozart           Requiem            Böhm/WP     
60   Mozart           Clarinet Concerto and Clarinet Quintet     Frost/Oundjian/Amsterdam Sinf
61    Mussorgsky   Boris Gudunov       Abbado/BP
62   Pärt                   Tabula Rasa/Fratres/Cantus      Kremer/Jarrett/Sondeckis     
63   Pärt                   Kanon Pokajanen           
64   Pergolesi           Stabat Mater    Alessandrini/Concerto Italiano     
65   Prokofiev           Romeo and Juliet   Maazel/CO     
66   Prokofiev           War Sonatas           Richter     
67   Puccini           Turandot           Pavarotti/Sutherland/Mehta     
68   Rachmaninov   Piano Cto #2 (w/Tchaikovsky Piano Cto #1)      Richter     
69   Rachmaninov   Vespers           Svechnikov/USSR Nat'l Choir     
70   Rameau           Keyboard Works   Tharaud     
71   Ravel           Piano Trio            Rouvier/Kantorow/Muller     
72   Ravel           Daphnis et Chloe   Dutoit/Montreal     
73   Satie           Selected piano compositions       Aldo     
74   Schoenberg   5 pieces op 16 (w/ Webern & Berg)        Levine/BP     
75   Schubert           String Quintet in C major          Emerson or Melos SQ w/Rostropovich     
76   Schubert           Sonata in G, D.894       Richter     
77   Schubert           Schwanengesang       Munteanu     
78   Schumann   Kinderszenen/Kreisleriana/Carnaval   Cortot     
79   Schumann   Symphony #4               Furtwängler/BP     
80   Schumann   Dichterliebe               Wächter/Brendel     
81   Shostakovich   String Quartet #8       Emerson or Borodin SQ     
82   Shostakovich   Symphony #7 "Leningrad"   Ančerl/Czech Phil     
83   Sibelius           Symphony #5/Violin Cto           Haendel/Berglund/Bournemouth     
84   Sibelius           Symphony #4 & #7/Tapiola   Maazel/WP     
85   Strauss           Four Last Songs          Janowitz/Karajan/BP     
86   Stravinsky   Rite of Spring                  Bernstein/NYPO (1958)     
87   Stravinsky   Symphony of Psalms (w/Poulenc & Bernstein)          Bernstein/LSO/NYPO     
88   Stravinsky   L'oiseu de feu (complete)            Rattle/CBSO     
89   Suppe           Overtures (w/ Auber Overtures)   Paray/DSO     
90   Tallis                   Spem In Alium/Salve Intermerata   Summerly/Oxford Camerata     
91   Tchaikovsky   Violin Cto (w/Brahms Violin Cto)   Heifetz/Reiner/CSO     
92   Tchaikovsky   Swan Lake      Svetlanov     
93   Tchaikovsky   Piano Trio op 50 (+ Shostakovich Piano Trio #2 op 67)    Argerich/Kremer/Maisky     
94   Vaughan Wms   Symphony #5      Previn/RPO     
95   Verdi           Requiem              Toscanini/NBC (1951)     
96   Victoria           Requiem 1605      Christophers/The Sixteen     
97   Vivaldi           Vespri per l'Assunzione di Maria Vergine      Alessandrini     
98   Wagner           Tristan und Isolde               Böhm (1966)     
99   Wagner           Der Ring des Nibelungen       Solti/WP     
100   Weber           Der Freischütz       Keilberth

Agree concerning 8,62,69,
and perhaps no. 5 & 99 ...

Suppé Ouvertures - and no Nielsen, for instance :o

There´s a lot of important repertoire missing here ...
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mc ukrneal on November 03, 2011, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: DieNacht on November 03, 2011, 01:45:52 PM

Suppé Ouvertures - and no Nielsen, for instance :o

There´s a lot of important repertoire missing here ...
You aren't seriously suggesting that Nielson is better than Suppe are you?!?!? Nah, can't be...  :-X (in case you hadn't guessed, that was my nomination).

It is difficult to pick this sort of list - and with lots of contributors, there are bound to be disagreements. If I could only bring 5 cd's with me to the so-called desert island, that would be one of them. I can't imagine life without it. 
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: DieNacht on November 03, 2011, 02:11:01 PM
Well, we can agree that Paray is one of the best in such repertoire (Scherchen together with him also) ...
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: mc ukrneal on November 03, 2011, 02:19:29 PM
Quote from: DieNacht on November 03, 2011, 02:11:01 PM
Well, we can agree that Paray is one of the best in such repertoire (Scherchen together with him also) ...
Common ground! Excellent!
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Jared on November 14, 2011, 06:46:57 AM
I'm not sure whether this thread is alive and kicking, and counting it's way up to the magical 'Top 1000' disks or not, but my choice will be:

Schumann: String Quintet/ String Quartet: Michelangelo Qtt: Chandos/ Chaconne

If however, you've already reached your milestone, then please ignore me...  ;D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Moonfish on March 24, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
I have a feeling of that the list this thread finally produced back in 2011 is very biased (as most lists) based on the active members' interests at the time. A "new" list would probably replace at least half of the entries, don't you think?   I guess we at GMG have a love/hate relationship with lists.....   >:D
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Karl Henning on March 25, 2015, 03:36:33 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on March 24, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
. . . I guess we at GMG have a love/hate relationship with lists.....   >:D

Aye.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: The new erato on March 25, 2015, 03:42:28 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on March 24, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
I guess we at GMG have a love/hate relationship with lists.....   >:D
Yes. That is no 1 on my list of things I have a love/hate relationship with.
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Mirror Image on March 25, 2015, 07:45:09 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on March 24, 2015, 11:44:42 PMI guess we at GMG have a love/hate relationship with lists.....   >:D

It's not so much of a hate thing with me. I like making lists, but the only problem I seem to run into is these lists become irrelevant once a new phase begins. In terms of my own 'Essential Collection,' I'm quite happy with my list even though I didn't include any Delius or R. Strauss.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,17174.msg685511.html#msg685511
Title: Re: The GMG essential collection: a desert island briefcaseful
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 25, 2015, 07:59:29 AM
Quote from: The new erato on March 25, 2015, 03:42:28 AM
Yes. That is no 1 on my list of things I have a love/hate relationship with.

;D :D ;D


Sarge