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Title: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 06:49:47 AM
Can you identify this music? I'm afraid I only have two scores to hand to show at present, and so below are photos of parts of three movements from different works of a set (the third might confuse a little), plus parts of four movements from one other, very different, work. Extra points for the movements as well as works...

I might take my camera to the library for next time if people seem to like this sort of thing.

Photo #1
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores001.jpg)

Photo #2
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores008.jpg)

Photo #3
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores007.jpg)

Photo #4
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores006.jpg)

Photo #5
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores004.jpg)

Photo #6
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores003.jpg)

Photo #7
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores005.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 27, 2007, 07:01:45 AM
Bach Cello Suites: Prelude from #1 in D minor, Courante from #4 in Eb, Courante and Sarabande from #5 in C minor (with scordatura).

Excerpts from Messiaen's Vingt Regards (though I don't know which offhand).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 27, 2007, 07:18:59 AM
keep the scores coming, Sean!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 08:59:36 AM
Almost all correct there of course Larry, though you'll find a slight error in your answer...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 09:39:05 AM
Answers-

Photo #1: Bach Cello suite No.2, first mov Preludium, one of the most profound and moving things he wrote. Maiksy playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWyrxAZCOhA

Photo #2: Bach Cello suite No.4, third mov Courante.

Photo #3: Bach Cello suite No.5, end of third mov Courante and first two of the three lines of the fourth mov Sarabande- this suite possibly his greatest work with the Sarabande ‘the essence of Bach’s genius’ to quote Rostropovich and paraphrase Tortelier. It was originally for a six stringed cello so there are two lines of music, one with the relevant notes transposed for regular cello. Maisky again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWyrxAZCOhA

Photo #4: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l’enfant-Jesus mov 11, an effective example of his birdsong writing. Roger Muraro playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSmgxN-Das&mode=related&search=

Photo #5: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l’enfant-Jesus mov 20, manic and monumental creativity in this finale, impossible to play fast enough without great technique. Unfortunately the first half of the video of Katsaris playing this piece seems to have disappeared but you’ll get a feel for the virtuosity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuOUBCdw7qg

Photo #6: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l’enfant-Jesus mov 15, the end of the climactic section, releasing huge tension. The section builds up particularly from 2’30’’ with tension breaking at 2’50’’- the last line on the photo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bsvVdBJXtQ&mode=related&search=

Photo #7: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l’enfant-Jesus mov 4, magical dissonance here (I used to play from memory).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 27, 2007, 09:48:51 AM
Almost all correct there of course Larry, though you'll find a slight error in your answer...

Quite right, #1 is in G and #2 in d minor. Slip of the finger, but it stands.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
I've just remembered the opening bars of Vingt regards mov 20 are repeated- go to 2'28'' of the Katsaris video (the first flourish has a shot of some trees or something before returning to the keyboard)- the velocity is amazing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on August 29, 2007, 03:05:24 AM
Nicely done, Larry .......... looks like you scared away Sean, though ........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 29, 2007, 07:43:32 AM
psssssssst
now let's talk about him behind his back
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 29, 2007, 07:46:35 AM
psssssssst
now let's talk about him behind his back

Talk about whom?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 29, 2007, 08:00:00 AM
Sean  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 29, 2007, 04:54:47 PM
Nicely done, Larry .......... looks like you scared away Sean, though ........

"My! People come and go so quickly here!"
- Judy Garland in The Wizard of Oz
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 30, 2007, 06:22:51 AM
maybe Sean considers GMG his internet bathroom  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:26:14 AM
maybe Sean considers GMG his internet bathroom  ???

True, he does seem to leave his waste products.

How about we keep this going? I'm going to upload six excerpts from musical scores. See which you can identify. If you're not sure, take your best guess but give a sentence saying why you answered that way. Some should be very simple, some a bit tricky. All are by familiar composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 08:12:01 AM
#3-4:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 08:12:52 AM
#5-6:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Novi on August 30, 2007, 08:27:29 AM
No. 1. Bach, Mass in B Minor, 'Quoniam tu solus sanctus'

I recognised the horn part, but cheated to check which section :). Incidentally, this was the first score I ever bought (Dover rocks!).

This must be the very simple one if even I can recognise it :D.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: CS on August 30, 2007, 08:30:41 AM
3: Beethoven op.95
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Novi on August 30, 2007, 08:37:13 AM
No. 5. Elgar, Cello Concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 08:40:26 AM
Three correct answers so far. This is obviously too easy. Now, how about the other three?

Again, if you don't know for sure, use your sense of style and history to narrow it down. Some of these are harder than others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 30, 2007, 09:13:21 AM
No. 5. Elgar, Cello Concerto
that's the one i could've gotten right by myself, i guess 1/6 isn't so bad  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 30, 2007, 09:43:23 AM
#4-- Schumann's portrait of Chopin from Karneval

(edit: Schumann actually spells it Carnaval)

(I think this is my final answer :) )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 30, 2007, 09:45:04 AM
#6-- Falla Harpsichord Concerto, the first page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 30, 2007, 09:47:37 AM
#2 -- The scherzo of Nielsen's Sinfonia semplice (ie no. 6)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
And our composer and clarinettist who used to post as diegobueno cleans up!

Gotta challenge you guys a bit more tonight...   :D

And since you've all done so well, here are 8 more. Sorry about the low light in the pics, I should've used the flash. But I think they're readable. This'll probably be it for me, since it's a bit of work to take the scores down from the shelf, photograph them, crop, save, upload, and then put all the scores back on the shelf. Sigh.

Composers all are well-known, but some not as well-known as in the first set.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 02:38:35 PM
10-13:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 02:42:45 PM
14-16:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 30, 2007, 03:20:38 PM
10 = Mahler 9th?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Novi on August 30, 2007, 03:31:19 PM
No. 15. Monteverdi, L'Orfeo?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
Not been around much lately, and only just saw this thread. *sigh* - I could have got all the previous ones. Being a bit of a score obsessive has its advantages. Larry's latest:

7) - Rzewski - The People United.... (btw, there are some great free Rzewski scores to be had online)
8) - Brahms G major sextet op 36 (last mvt)
9) - Wozzeck - Act III interlude (climax thereof)
10) - is indeed Mahler 9
11) - Le Marteau sans maitre
12) - this is the only one eluding me at present
13) - Carter, Quartet no 1
14) - orchestration, figuration and textures (and print style) look like Shostakovich (#14?) though I can't place it off-hand
15) - is indeed Orfeo
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:25:52 PM
oops.only just saw no 16

Elgar  - String Quartet

(E.E. certainly did like his E minor, it seems)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 30, 2007, 04:27:55 PM
8) - Brahms G major sextet op 36 (last mvt)

Note to self: next time get up and get the disc, you won't need to be kicking yourself later. :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:36:36 PM
slight alteration - the Shostakovich is no 15, not no 14
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
slight alteration - the Shostakovich is no 15, not no 14

That's right. The ending of the Shosty 15, where all the toys in the toy shop have woken up in the middle of the night.

OK, then. Luke did extremely well as expected, and the other guessers were correct too. Much too easy. One more to go. Let's see who gets #12.

I'm giving you one more, since I had it photographed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 05:26:46 PM
One question - is no 12 Nielsen? It looks like him, in scoring and other musical details but also - and this is a powerful factor here, as with the Shostakovich - in the actual printing style: this particular handwritten look reminds me of some other Nielsen scores I have, just as the fonts and layout of the Shos score told me straightaway it was him...

Anyway, because of this, crazy as it sounds, I can't go beyond thinking 'it must be Nielsen' - so tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree. ;D

(Woof.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 05:39:08 PM
One question - is no 12 Nielsen? It looks like him, in scoring and other musical details but also - and this is a powerful factor here, as with the Shostakovich - in the actual printing style: this particular handwritten look reminds me of some other Nielsen scores I have, just as the fonts and layout of the Shos score told me straightaway it was him...

Anyway, because of this, crazy as it sounds, I can't go beyond thinking 'it must be Nielsen' - so tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree. ;D

(Woof.)

It's not Nielsen. But you're not entirely cold, either geographically or alphabetically.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 05:50:24 PM
Well, that's confused me!

Your new one looks like Gorecki 3. Not a score I have, but here was my thought process:

1) this score 'looks' Polish (layout, fonts, abbreviations etc) (that primal, visual thing again)

2) it has all the hallmarks of the Gorecki 3 last movement (thick parallel motion in the strings, low-lying quasi-recit in the soprano, with notes picked out above in harp and piano) Also it is in the right key.

So I checked it and it looked right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on August 30, 2007, 05:52:16 PM
Could #12 be early Lutosławski? Not a piece I have heard, but reading the score, I am thinking it may not be too far away from something like that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
Well, that's confused me!

Your new one looks like Gorecki 3. Not a score I have, but here was my thought process:

1) this score 'looks' Polish (layout, fonts, abbreviations etc) (that primal, visual thing again)

2) it has all the hallmarks of the Gorecki 3 last movement (thick parallel motion in the strings, low-lying quasi-recit in the soprano, with notes picked out above in harp and piano) Also it is in the right key.

So I checked it and it looked right.

And the text is in Polish! yes, it's the Gorecki 3, near the end.

And no, Michael, Luke's guess was warmer than yours.

Luke, why not give us some items from your no doubt huge score library.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on August 30, 2007, 06:27:04 PM
Oh, I think I know what it is. It is one of the later Pettersson symphonies. I don't remember which number, maybe 6 or 7, but I think I actually played that piece a long, long time ago. I didn't see that second page at first, but I just looked at it again and scrolled over to the right. That seems to have triggered some deeply buried (mostly bad) memories of the piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:56:02 PM
Oh, I think I know what it is. It is one of the later Pettersson symphonies. I don't remember which number, maybe 6 or 7, but I think I actually played that piece a long, long time ago. I didn't see that second page at first, but I just looked at it again and scrolled over to the right. That seems to have triggered some deeply buried (mostly bad) memories of the piece.

Good for you! it's from 7. I thought that endlessly repeated trombone figure would give it away.

What the heck, a few more:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:57:36 PM
And after these three I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really have to stop.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:12:18 AM
Luke, why not give us some items from your no doubt huge score library.

I might do that later. Problem is, my scanner is broken, and as you've said, photoing, cropping etc. takes time. Also, I'd like to choose good samples as you have done - what would be the point of choosing obscure things that don't give anyone a chance: it needs to be pitched right. I will think on...

Good for you! it's from 7. I thought that endlessly repeated trombone figure would give it away.

Ah, of course - you're right, that trombone figure should have given it away (it's amazing how similar some passages in Nielsen are, actually...). I've never seen a Pettersson score (  :o ) so again I think it's interesting how the look of the print, as well as the notes themselves, made me think of something Nordic - is it a Hansen score?



As for the new ones...

18  - I thought of Verdi at first (contour of some of the melody) before I realised it was Carmen. But it's one of the bits that isn't in my score...

19 - is one of the Ligeti Etudes (Book II, L'escalier du diable).

20 - have to admit I searched for this one (googled the unusual, lengthy tempo marking), so I think I have the right answer [edit - I know I have the right answer as I just listened to a sample at Amazon!], but I don't want to spoil it for those who might know it 'properly', so I won't say here.
My first thought, BTW, was Mendelssohn, but then I thought that, pre-Liszt, the tremolo is little used by real pianist-composers, more in transcriptions (which I momentarily thought this might be) and in music I tend to think of as less pianistic, so I ruled out Mendelssohn. The composer who it really is by is not a million miles from Mendelssohn, though.

21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX (again, the look of the score - Universal Edition style - is the first thing that I notice, then the notes and the language, though still all in the first glance, of course)

22  - that surprising measure of 5/8 is the clue - it's that famous 'first' of Handel's, Orlando's mad scene  IIRC
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:25:23 AM
Of course you've now told everyone else how to identify 20!  :D

Very good - I couldn't fool Luke at all, even with that Carmen excerpt.

But I think maybe I'll just pull a few more from online scores, which takes far less time and effort, and make them simpler, so lots more people can play. I think I'll have to ask Luke and Diego to sit these next ones out, so others have a fair chance.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on August 31, 2007, 02:46:40 AM
Good for you! it's from 7. I thought that endlessly repeated trombone figure would give it away.

It wasn't actually that, though (unfortunately) that came back to me once I had figured it out. It was the c-c# leaps in the bass part which reminded me of the very unpleasant and thankless experience of playing this piece with its totally awkward (and completely ineffective) bass part. You play these leaps about 2 million times.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:59:04 AM
It wasn't actually that, though (unfortunately) that came back to me once I had figured it out. It was the c-c# leaps in the bass part which reminded me of the very unpleasant and thankless experience of playing this piece with its totally awkward (and completely ineffective) bass part. You play these leaps about 2 million times.

I know what you meant. I picked the page I did because the trombone motif is about the only thing I can ever remember from that symphony, and thought it might be similarly familiar to others.

Yes, Luke, it's Hansen - very hard to read, poor typography and layout.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:11:25 AM
I've made 16 samples now, but most of them are slightly too big to fit as attachments here, so it may be some time before I get them all up.

As I said before, I want these to be get-able, so I've steered clear of the too-obscure or, if I have gone obscure, I've left enough clues for the answer to be found.

No 1
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:15:50 AM
No 2 - Very typical of this composer (at this time) and the visual style is also unique to him AFAIK. Should be possible, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:20:22 AM
No 3 - should be straightforward, I think - lots of clues here. Sorry about poor quality image
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:24:47 AM
No 4 - there is also a big clue here, but unfortunately the poor quality makes it hard to read. Good luck!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:30:14 AM
No 5 - composer should be fairly clear; then just follow clues
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:36:05 AM
No 6 - combination of printer's house style, musical style and instrumentation/layout ought to be clues.

That's enough for now, I have ten more ready to go for later...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:45:43 AM
All I can say is I think yours are harder than mine (or they just show all the gaps in my knowledge)!

#5 looks like Brian Ferneyhough.

#4 could be Janacek, but not a piece I recognize.

#1 looks familiar, but I can't place it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 04:33:03 AM
Luke's #4 is the Khachaturian Piano Concerto, 2nd movement. The monster bass clarinet solo isn't on this page, but the piano is playing it in the left hand at the top of the page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 04:40:01 AM
Luke's no. 3: The handwriting looks familiar. Is that Feldman?

Edit: A little more sleuthing revealed that this is indeed Why Patterns by Morton Feldman.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on August 31, 2007, 05:01:12 AM
Hm. #2 looks rather like Lutoslawski, but I don't recognise the work. I'll guess Jeux venetiens but I can't read the directions on the score properly on the laptop (which should give a better hint).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:43:41 AM
ok, i didn't look at the responses:
10- Mahler 9, 2nd movement (easy one)
11 and 12- looks like a Webern score, possibly his string quartet?

ok, now some more guessing
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:53:59 AM
ok, i guess 11 and 12 were wrong

#5 looks like Crumb to me, could be Ferneyhough but I vote Crumb
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 05:54:28 AM
ok, i didn't look at the responses:
10- Mahler 9, 2nd movement (easy one)
11 and 12- looks like a Webern score, possibly his string quartet?

ok, now some more guessing

Yes to the Mahler. No to the others. Keep thinking of other possibilities.

Luke, is your #6 Schoenberg? Those dotted vertical lines suggest otherwise, but the harmoniums and clarinets say maybe yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:59:55 AM
Yes to the Mahler. No to the others. Keep thinking of other possibilities.

Luke, is your #6 Schoenberg? Those dotted vertical lines suggest otherwise, but the harmoniums and clarinets say maybe yes.
i read the answers already  ;D
the Carter i don't remember but the Boulez i shoulda just played through, i might've recognized it
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:42:51 AM
OK, so far on my first six we have:

1 - no guess yet. It is a pretty major work, btw, one of its composer's masterpieces IMO

2 - no correct guess yet

3 - Mark is correct, it is Feldman. A piece for alto flute, glockenspiel and piano...shouldn't be too hard to find the name...

4 - point to Edward, this is indeed the Khachaturian PC. The clue in my mind was the flexatone/saw carrying the melody on this page, but unfortunately its name doesn't come out clearly, so that made it harder.

5 - Yes, Larry, it's Ferneyhough. As I implied, the look of the page gives that away quite clearly I think, though some of the notation and the use of improvisation is unusual for him. A little probing and you'll have the name.

6 - And yes, Larry (again!), this is Schoenberg. The dotted lines (or the implications they carry for what sort of piece this might be) possibly give a clue as to the identity of this work.



Time for some more. Here's no 7. This one is a transitional work, but it carries many of the hallmarks of the later style - if you delve deeply you should therefore be able to identify him. There is also a clue to two features of the piece's title in the motive which is treated so exhaustively in the strings.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 06:48:14 AM
has to be Stravinsky
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 06:49:52 AM


3 - Mark is correct, it is Feldman. A piece for alto flute, glockenspiel and piano...shouldn't be too hard to find the name...

Why Patterns

Quote

4 - point to Edward, this is indeed the Khachaturian PC. The clue in my mind was the flexatone/saw carrying the melody on this page, but unfortunately its name doesn't come out clearly, so that made it harder.

Hey!! That's my point!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:51:39 AM
Greg - what, my last one is Stravinsky? No....

Mark - correct on the Feldman. And apologies on the Khachaturian, don't know what I was reading there!! Two points to you, and Larry is most of the way there on two more.

No 8. Like the Ferneyhough and the Feldman, I think this is one where, if you can get the composer, you are most of the way to getting the piece, as the instrumentation leaves little room for error. This is a typical score of this composer in appearance (it's also one of his finest pieces)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:56:09 AM
No 9. This is quite a hard one, I think, but the clues are there in the instruments, the notation, the handwriting and the general 'attitude' of the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 06:57:25 AM
lachenmann!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:59:21 AM
Which one, Greg? Still, no, none of them are him (I don't have any Lachenmann scores, I'm afraid)

No 10. An easy one, I think, though there may be some noses that Rinkel up at it....and if that isn't a clue, I don't know what is  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:02:23 AM
No 11 Again, easy I think. The famous and inimitable handwriting, and the bizarre sound sources make it quite clear...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:06:08 AM
No 12 Quite idealistic in its demands here, which is surprisingly quite common in this composer's work. A magnificently impressive piece, though, and stylistically unique, to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:08:20 AM
No 13 I won't give any clues here, except to say - a bonus point if you can name the passage/piece on which this page is modeled (or to which it refers). And that in itself could well be a clue, because if you get the model, you may get the present piece itself...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 07:10:38 AM
oh, i thought 9 was Lachenmann, he uses that 3/thing at the bottom.
now, my only thought is it might be spectral music, but Grisey and Murail's scores don't usually look like that. My guess is Saariaho, but my second guess is Ligeti?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
Greg, that is very interesting - I can see how you could be led in that direction. Actually it isn't spectralist. If you look closely you'll see that there is a clear process going on, so Ligeti wasn't a bad guess either. This composer developed a very strong and personal process technique later, though not precisely this one.

No 14 - I think the composer is pretty obvious, but the piece might be harder to get. It is one of his most famous works, though, if that helps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:19:22 AM
No 15. The composer will do here - I think it unnecessary and frankly almost impossible to name the piece itself! But the peculiarities of the score should make the composer clear, I think. And if not that, then the printer of the manuscript paper may help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:25:15 AM
No 16 - my final one for now, but I'm happy to make more if people like this game. A nice easy one to finish!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:26:18 AM
Porto Rican maracas?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:26:48 AM
9 - Scelsi?

7 - the violin writing looks like Stockhausen, the piano arpeggios like anybody but. Berio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:27:57 AM
A very humbling experience, Luke! I know all of mine, but hardly any of yours!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:30:29 AM
#16 -- The quote from Beethoven's 9th makes me think it might be Tippett's 3rd (but the typography doesn't look like Schott somehow)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:35:37 AM
Greg - sorry for confusion, I thought you meant my no 7 was like Lachenmann/spectralism - that's where all my stuff about processes came from. But I think you meant no 9. Also not Lachenmann, but that's a pretty good guess, I think.


Larry - that's funny, I know all mine but had to think hard about some of yours too!

No 9 isn't Scelsi, no, but note heavy italics!

No 7 seems to be a tricky one. If I was you I'd look away from the string writing, and concentrate on a modern composer who uses arpeggios so heavily... ;)

Mark - Bingo on the Tippett   :) - it is a Schott actually, but perhaps somewhere along the line I have disfigured it somewhat.

And, yes, Porto Rican maracas. A slightly different type than Puerto Rican ones, which this composer, ever sensitive to percussive nuance, obviously knew about  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:41:08 AM
#15: All the different simultaneous tempo markings! Could it be one of Nancarrow's sketches for a player piano etude?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:42:27 AM
No 7 seems to be a tricky one. If I was you I'd look away from the string writing, and concentrate on a modern composer who uses arpeggios so heavily... ;)

Saul?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:45:23 AM
#7 -- Glass is known for his arpeggios too, but I don't think this is him.

Appears to be an Italian. I would say Dallapiccola, but I don't know of any orchestral works by him that use BACH.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:49:08 AM
Still waiting for an answer on my #20. Hint: it is not Glass, Saul, or Scelsi.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:55:12 AM
Blimey, Mark, you are good at this!

'Yes' on the Nancarrow - that one at least I think is fairly straightforward. It's Study no 37 if you're interested.

No 7 isn't Italian, actually, but 'yes' also on its use of BACH. To be fair, I hinted at it somewhat when I said that there where two clues as to the piece's title in the string parts! One of them is indeed 'Bach'. Now tell, me, what animal do you think those string parts sound like when played all together.....? And you have your title (nearly)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 31, 2007, 07:56:42 AM
To guess purely from your hints, Luke . . . If Bach Was a Beekeeper . . . ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:57:54 AM
Henning comes from nowhere and steals it! Correct. By Arvo Part, of course. An interesting halfway-house of a piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 08:06:43 AM
#12 is Xenakis?

I say this only because it's in Greek. The use of quarter tones rules out Theodorakis. I don't know of any other Greek composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:09:26 AM
12 is Xenakis, well done. Any idea on the piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:11:13 AM
I can see I'm going to have to go with harder ones next time!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 08:16:04 AM
I can see I'm going to have to go with harder ones next time!

Yeah, right. Could 6 be from one of those late Modern Psalms Schoenberg wrote? And is 10 by Scelsi.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:23:25 AM
No, no 6 isn't late Schoenberg, but a more formative piece. You are correct that it is a vocal work, though that is not evident on this page. And the Scelsi one is not no 10, which is, however, a piece known to you.... ;)

to sum up the answers to my questions so far:

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - ? - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - ? - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12 - Xenakis - ? - (Mark)
13 - ?
14 - ?
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 08:30:21 AM
Just to keep this going, 6 more from me (truly easy, unlike Luke's  :D ):

1a-4a:

(Don't forget my #20 from before. . . . )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 08:31:50 AM
5a-6a:

(And then I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really must stop.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 09:08:22 AM
2 -- Götterdämmerung, the very end (while Valhalla burns)
3 -- Holst: Jupiter from the Planets
5 -- Liszt: Sonnet of Petrarch
6. -- Schoenberg: Pierrot Lunaire, Heil'ge Kreuze (well, the text is right there, for heaven's sake)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 09:30:20 AM
1 = Verdi Requiem
and
4 = Haydn F minor Variations
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 09:51:13 AM
2 -- Götterdämmerung, the very end (while Valhalla burns)
3 -- Holst: Jupiter from the Planets
5 -- Liszt: Sonnet of Petrarch
6. -- Schoenberg: Pierrot Lunaire, Heil'ge Kreuze (well, the text is right there, for heaven's sake)

I wanted to make it easy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 10:08:38 AM
12- Xenakis, Oresteia

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! i got the score  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 10:20:11 AM
Greg, that is very interesting - I can see how you could be led in that direction. Actually it isn't spectralist. If you look closely you'll see that there is a clear process going on, so Ligeti wasn't a bad guess either. This composer developed a very strong and personal process technique later, though not precisely this one.

wow, you're really making me think here....
i should just pull out a bunch of names  >:D
umm...... i'll take a wild guess- Schnittke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
No, no 6 isn't late Schoenberg, but a more formative piece. You are correct that it is a vocal work, though that is not evident on this page.

Jakobsleiter?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 01:07:02 PM
12- Xenakis, Oresteia

Correct  :)

Re. no 6
Jakobsleiter?

Correct  :)

That leaves 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 14, and clarification of which Ferneyhough piece is shown in no 5


And someone get Larry's no 20 soon - here's a hint: it isn't Webern. Not quite.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:01:41 PM
Anyone in the mood for more? Time for an extra few before bed.

no 17 - say what you see....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:04:04 PM
No 18 - one of the best examples for those who say music of this type is not 'melodic', this piece reveals its composer to be a writer of truly memorable melodic lines.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:10:17 PM
No 19 - a somewhat maligned piece which I have a soft spot for. This, though, is unequivocally one of its finest sections, a great piece of musical imagination.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:11:52 PM
No 20 - I don't think much comment is required.

edit: updated with an attachment, just for Maciek, though I can't believe he can really need it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 02:21:45 PM
18 Boulez Le Soleil des eaux
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 02:22:59 PM
20 - Cage 4'33''
 :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:24:13 PM
The Boulez is right, very quick work! The other one not quite.... ;D

No 21. Like my no 13 (and no 16, for that matter), this is modeled on a particular piece, but in this case every note in this piece is taken exactly from the original and then repeated and re-sorted according to certain criteria. What is the original piece, and what is this one? And for a bonus point ( ;D)  how has the composer selected which material to lift from the original? A very interesting effect is achieved here, I think, amplifying and altering the effect of the original.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:32:18 PM
No 22 Last one for today. Those are saxophones above the horns, which is clue enough, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
edit: updated with an attachment, just for Maciek, though I can't believe he can really need it...

Ha! That's what I call cheating! >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
No 20 - I don't think much comment is required.

edit: updated with an attachment, just for Maciek, though I can't believe he can really need it...

20 - the Ligeti violin concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:41:18 PM
Yes. Thought that one would go quite quickly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:44:16 PM
Yes. Thought that one would go quite quickly!

We're still mired in the first set you gave! What drives me crazy is that some look so familiar but I can't place them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 02:44:58 PM
20 - the Ligeti violin concerto
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
yeah, i would've gotten that one easy  8)
the other ones are pretty hard

n22- saxophones over horn, huh?
debussy, ravel, prokofiev- 3 guesses here  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:47:45 PM
Right generation, Greg, but wrong nationality. The harmony is a big clue as to both nationality and composer in this one I think.

We're still mired in the first set you gave! What drives me crazy is that some look so familiar but I can't place them!

Which ones? I can try to give some gentle hints if you like - it's so frustrating when you know that you know it!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:54:09 PM
Right generation, Greg, but wrong nationality. The harmony is a big clue as to both nationality and composer in this one I think.

Which ones? I can try to give some gentle hints if you like - it's so frustrating when you know that you know it!



Any, any! I think these are a lot harder than most of mine, frankly! How about 17 and 19?

Is the E minor piece American? it looks like a Schirmer type of engraving.

No - 22 is the ending of the first movement of the RVW 9. Positive!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:06:30 PM
17 - try to determine the nationality (there are clues), and then see what the music is doing. As far as I know there is only one well-known piece which ticks both boxes. It's a very well-known little piece.

19 - this is standard mid-19th century repertoire. The 7/4 time may be a clue to you, it may not.

The E minor piece is not American, no. It is an OUP score. Which may be a clue in itself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
17 - Spanish? De Falla??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:17:08 PM
I don't think mine are necessarily trickier than yours, Larry - it's just that, by definition, you know the ones you put up, and I know these ones! I had trouble with some of yours - the Carmen one was harder than it should have been, and of course I had to cheat on 'number 20'; the Stockhausen one didn't come straightaway either, and I didn't get the Pettersson even though I should have. The Carter came only because 1)  'scorrevole' is a very Carterian term and 2) there looked to be little difference between mvts 1 and 2 - and of course that structural feature is one of the 1st quartet's most noteworthy aspects (the 'breaks' come in the middle of movements rather than in between)

FWIW, there are some pieces among mine which I am sure you know, because you have either mentioned them in the past (there's one here which I know you dislike, I am afraid!) or because I know you are well-informed on the relevant composer in particular. Have you worked out which one is the Scelsi yet? It's worth bearing in mind that he thought of notes as being like comets - not as little blobs, but as leaving a trace, a vector across the page as they move in time. I think there is one of mine which suits that description well. BTW, I think I'm right that you don't think too much of Scelsi (am I?) but he isn't who I meant when I said that I know you dislike one of the pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
17 - try to determine the nationality (there are clues), and then see what the music is doing. As far as I know there is only one well-known piece which ticks both boxes. It's a very well-known little piece.

19 - this is standard mid-19th century repertoire. The 7/4 time may be a clue to you, it may not.

The E minor piece is not American, no. It is an OUP score. Which may be a clue in itself.

Read my post as modified! I got it for sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Yes, you did, Larry - that's the right answer. That Phrygian inflection in parallel motion is very RVW...

17 - Spanish? De Falla??

No, but getting warmer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:21:42 PM
I don't think mine are necessarily trickier than yours, Larry - it's just that, by definition, you know the ones you put up, and I know these ones! I had trouble with some of yours - the Carmen one was harder than it should have been, and of course I had to cheat on 'number 20'; the Stockhausen one didn't come straightaway either, and I didn't get the Pettersson even though I should have. The Carter came only because 1)  'scorrevole' is a very Carterian term and 2) there looked to be little difference between mvts 1 and 2 - and of course that structural feature is one of the 1st quartet's most noteworthy aspects (the 'breaks' come in the middle of movements rather than in between)

Give me time, give me time.

I knew Carmen would be hard - it's such a familiar piece, but this is a part not included in most scores.

I'm just joking with you, Luke - I'm sure all yours are every bit as reasonable as mine. That 7/4 thing looks very familiar! so does #17!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:27:50 PM
Yes, Larry, you know the 7/4 one, I am sure, and at the very least five of the others, I am almost positive (not to imply that you can't know the others, of course, I am only going on what I know of your listening habits). Anyway, updated results...

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - ? - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - ?
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - ?
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - ?
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:32:34 PM
21 looks like a Schott score, maybe from Stravinsky's neoclassic period. I was hoping it was Dumbarton Oaks, but it's not.

The 7/4 could be from Pelleas, given the pattern of exact repetition. But the German note makes me dubious.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:40:12 PM
14 looks like Ives.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:44:17 PM
14 is Ives, yes.

21 looks like a Schott score, maybe from Stravinsky's neoclassic period. I was hoping it was Dumbarton Oaks, but it's not.

The 7/4 could be from Pelleas, given the pattern of exact repetition. But the German note makes me dubious.



21 is a Chester score. The clue to the composer, or at least the style, is in the method of construction, as I said. Try playing the melody line through without its repeating figures to find the source.

An interesting observation about the 7/4 - it isn't Pelleas, but this is a composer often said to be a forerunner to Debussy in some respects.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:51:58 PM
14 is Ives, yes.

21 is a Chester score. The clue to the composer, or at least the style, is in the method of construction, as I said. Try playing the melody line through without its repeating figures to find the source.

An interesting observation about the 7/4 - it isn't Pelleas, but this is a composer often said to be a forerunner to Debussy in some respects.

I'm tempted to say Mussorgsky, but I think that's not right. It looks so familiar! I probably should just sleep on these clues and maybe something will pop into my head later tonight or tomorrow.

Is 21 Stravinsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
I'm tempted to say Mussorgsky, but I think that's not right. It looks so familiar! I probably should just sleep on these clues and maybe something will pop into my head later tonight or tomorrow.

Is 21 Stravinsky?

No, sorry. Not a million miles away, in some respects, though.

Mussorgsky isn't it either for the 7/4, but you're certainly beating around the correct bush.  ;) Sleep on it, certainly - I know I should be going to bed right now!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
No, sorry. Not a million miles away, in some respects, though.

Mussorgsky isn't it either for the 7/4, but you're certainly beating around the correct bush.  ;) Sleep on it, certainly - I know I should be going to bed right now!

I got the 7/4! It's the Liszt Dante Symphony. Won't spill the beans on how I finally figured it out, but I'm positive now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 06:12:52 PM
Anyone in the mood for more? Time for an extra few before bed.

no 17 - say what you see....

17 - Villa Lobos Bachianas Brasilieras 2?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 06:28:22 PM
Is the Ferneyhough Lemma-Icon-Epigram? it looks like piano music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:37:22 AM
Correct on the Liszt and the Villa-Lobos!

The Ferneyhough is not Lemma-Icon-Epigram (which is quite a bit more complicated, though still not BF at his most extreme) - in fact it isn't piano music (look a little closer...). Once you have the instrument the possible pieces are reduced to one.

Actually, the reason this piece isn't quite as complex as most other Ferneyhough pieces is partly to do with the instrument, which is another clue, I suppose.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:40:50 AM
17- at first glance, looks like a possible Bartok piece i haven't heard, but it has a slight feeling of pointillism, the second name that comes to mind is Dallapiccola, but the one piece I've heard by him isn't very pointillistic, more lyrical. Ok, here's a wild guess, Nono? is it mid-20th century or early?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:49:30 AM
ok, i'm going to start posting some myself  8)
BUT, i'm erasing certain obvious clues, like movement title, work titles, and composers name  :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:53:47 AM
It's a bit small and difficult to read. :-\ Knowing your tastes, it should be Xenakis - but I've never seen a Xenakis score, so can't tell. 0:) (It does look a bit too simple though...? ;D)

(Why am I even posting in this thread? I feel like a total fool...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:55:09 AM
This one will be really hard, let me just give you all two clues: 1) this piece is obscure, i've never heard it so i'll be impressed if you can guess just the composer, 2) the English comments might throw you off
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:57:10 AM
Greg, Larry got my no 17...

Only 8 unattributed ones remain! :)

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - ? - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - ? - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)

now to be stumped by Greg's....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:57:30 AM
Greg's no. 2 - Takemitsu?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:57:34 AM
It's a bit small and difficult to read. :-\ Knowing your tastes, it should be Xenakis - but I've never seen a Xenakis score, so can't tell. 0:) (It does look a bit too simple though...? ;D)

(Why am I even posting in this thread? I feel like a total fool...)
a lot of the scores i've gotten from online image searches, so yeah, unfortuanetely they are a bit small  :(
it isn't Xenakis, but it is contemporary
hey, you got #18 when i couldn't, that's not bad   8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:57:48 AM
Greg's no. 2 - Takemitsu?
yep  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:59:31 AM
Hooray! I'm logging off with a smile on my face. :D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:59:46 AM
I was just about to say Takemitsu too - those open noteheads are typical of him. And of course the sho...

I haven't seen the first one yet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:00:21 AM
here's an easy one, like a coffee break
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 06:02:28 AM
Logged back in for another guess but then I'm really gone:

Takemitsu - Distance??????
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 06:02:51 AM
Don't know your first one...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:03:14 AM
It's a bit small and difficult to read. :-\ Knowing your tastes, it should be Xenakis - but I've never seen a Xenakis score, so can't tell. 0:) (It does look a bit too simple though...? ;D)

(Why am I even posting in this thread? I feel like a total fool...)

Not Xenakis.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:04:12 AM
here's an easy one, like a coffee break

Steve Reich?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:04:38 AM
i've erased a lot, including the comments at the bottom of the page

Logged back in for another guess but then I'm really gone:

Takemitsu - Distance??????
exactly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:04:56 AM
Correct on the Liszt and the Villa-Lobos!

The Ferneyhough is not Lemma-Icon-Epigram (which is quite a bit more complicated, though still not BF at his most extreme) - in fact it isn't piano music (look a little closer...). Once you have the instrument the possible pieces are reduced to one.

Actually, the reason this piece isn't quite as complex as most other Ferneyhough pieces is partly to do with the instrument, which is another clue, I suppose.

Then I have to try Sieben Sterne for organ.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:05:04 AM
Steve Reich?
yep, since this one is too easy, guess the work too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:07:16 AM
here's a really fun one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:13:38 AM
this composer isn't one of the "leading composers", but just look at the style of the score, thinking of the time period, and think of all the possible composers, that should help you narrow it down.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:14:06 AM
here's a really fun one!


Wouldn't be surprised if it's early Ligeti, though I'm too lazy to go through the work list and pin it down.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:16:30 AM

Wouldn't be surprised if it's early Ligeti, though I'm too lazy to go through the work list and pin it down.
waaaaaaay off (though in time period)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:16:47 AM
Phrygian gates
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:20:14 AM
yep, since this one is too easy, guess the work too!

Not positive, but Six Pianos feels like the logical guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:21:15 AM
Still waiting for somebody to identify my #20.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:23:57 AM
Phrygian gates
correct!

Not positive, but Six Pianos feels like the logical guess.
you're very close..... i've never heard of "six pianos"

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:24:30 AM
correct!
you're very close..... i've never heard of "six pianos"



Seven Pianos?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:27:08 AM
Seven Pianos?
lol!
piano is the first word in the title
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:27:45 AM
i've erased a lot, including the comments at the bottom of the page
exactly!

An elegiac work for solo viola using quarter tones - but definitely not the Stravinsky Elegy, and I doubt the Britten.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:29:30 AM
this composer isn't one of the "leading composers", but just look at the style of the score, thinking of the time period, and think of all the possible composers, that should help you narrow it down.

Atonal, expressionistic, highly contrapuntal, post-Schoenbergian. If it's not a "leading composer," I'd take a wild guess and wonder if it's someone like Krenek.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:30:57 AM
correct!
you're very close..... i've never heard of "six pianos"



Piano Phase.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:35:11 AM
Piano Phase.
correct!

let me see if this comes in clear, and not too big, first......
if it's ok, i won't have to edit it

so, this one is very easy if you've heard it- all you have to do is find the right "thing" in the score and you've got it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:35:57 AM
Atonal, expressionistic, highly contrapuntal, post-Schoenbergian. If it's not a "leading composer," I'd take a wild guess and wonder if it's someone like Krenek.
Krenek....... the name actually sounds close to the name of this composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 01, 2007, 06:37:49 AM
here's a really fun one!
First movement of the Ligeti viola sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:38:40 AM
Larry - no.20 - Carl Maria von Weber -  Grosse Sonate n.2 in la bemolle maggiore. Just remembered the title of the movement, rather than recognising the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:41:06 AM
Larry - no.20 - Carl Maria von Weber -  Grosse Sonate n.2 in la bemolle maggiore. Just remembered the title of the movement, rather than recognising the music.

Doesn't matter how you get it, so long as you get it.

Well, I'm off for a while, but since you guys are all throwing such challenges at each other, I'll start digging into my really obscure stuff this weekend. (Oh, I said I would stop. Yeah, right.)

Maybe at this point someone can tally all the ones not identified yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:44:49 AM
First movement of the Ligeti viola sonata.
you quoted the wrong post, but yeah, that's g4  ;D

results so far:

g1- ?
g2- Takemitsu- Distance (Maciek)
g3- Reich- Piano Phase (Larry)
g4- Ligeti- Viola Sonata (Edward)
g5- Adams- Phrygian Gates (Guido)
g6- ?
g7- ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:49:02 AM
ok. I'll do some. These are the only ones I have on my computer currently, but I'll take some pictures soon:

The first one, even I don't know - I think I know the composer, but not the piece!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
1 Nancarrow, 3 Berio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:50:55 AM
Luke - I think the Ives piece (no.14?) is the wonderful Three Places in New England, and I would guess probably the third movement if forced to.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:53:12 AM
3 certainly not right, not sure about 1, but not the composer I thought it was at least! I have some vague feeling that it's Scriabin, but I can't remember why.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 07:03:53 AM
3 certainly not right, not sure about 1, but not the composer I thought it was at least! I have some vague feeling that it's Scriabin, but I can't remember why.

Your 3 looks like Ives, 1 most likely not Scriabin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 07:13:06 AM
Ives is right. Page numbering is a clue as to the title (possibly!) (and the cluster chords only actually appear in a few works).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 07:13:28 AM
Luke - I think the Ives piece (no.14?) is the wonderful Three Places in New England, and I would guess probably the third movement if forced to.

Correct. I finally found my copy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 07:14:32 AM
Ives is right. Page numbering is a clue as to the title (possibly!) (and the cluster chords only actually appear in a few works).

The first page of something!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 07:15:16 AM
#1 looks like a Ligeti Etude, possibly... let me look real quick
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 07:40:57 AM
Damn, I've missed a few I knew!!

Guido is right on my Ives example, and Larry on the Ferneyhough piece

Guido's no 1 looks like Sorabji - I'm guessing the Sonata no 1

his no 2 like Schumann - I'm guessing the E flat variations  ;)

and his no 3 is Ives but not the Concord Sonata, despite the clusters
...oh, just seen the vocal line, so I'm guessing a song!! ;) - the first of the 114??? (whose name I forget)

Greg, is your 7th one Prokofiev...PC 2 perhaps?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 07:42:09 AM
I know the tune on Greg's no 7, but can't place it...but I'm sticking with my Prokofiev PC2 guess.

Now I have to go again. Hope I don't miss too much!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:09:31 AM
You're right Luke - it's the first of the 114 - one of his best actually (though there are so many good ones - his songs are surely one of the greatest collections of any composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 01, 2007, 09:15:09 AM
Guido's no. 1 has to be Sorabji. Who else would write a marking like "Presto vertiginoso confuria"?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:18:14 AM
Sorry can't upload the pictures right now...

Anyway - Luke you are right on the Schumann too! When you say it looks like Schumann, do you mean it sounds like Schumann, or could you literally tell by looking at it?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 09:20:25 AM
Guido, when did you suddenly make the jump from 270 to 287? Wow, that's SEVENTEEN more! :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:29:39 AM
Hadn't updated for a while!

And now its 293!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 10:28:01 AM
Anyway - Luke you are right on the Schumann too! When you say it looks like Schumann, do you mean it sounds like Schumann, or could you literally tell by looking at it?!

I haven't played it, though it looks like it sounds like Schumann, if you see what I mean. But I really meant it looks like him, texturally (with its roots in horn writing, for starters), plus the expression mark could only be Schumann. It is amazing how the personality of a composer's music can be stamped so clearly by just a few notes; factoring in the look of the various editions/handwritings/notations etc. (though not in this case) often makes these questions quite straightforward (though not always, I hasten to add)

Is the first one Sorabji, as I and then Mark guessed?  Not just the tempo marking that Mark mentions, but also the look of the score - fistfulls of obscure chords in semiquavers, no barlines, angular l.h. and so on, all say Sorabji very strongly to me. I am still plonking for the 1st Sonata, but only because I know they have it on IMSLP!! (and if I wasn't busy I pull up the file and check it...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 01, 2007, 10:57:25 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:06:32 AM
The Sorabji - it is surely Sorabji! - is not the First Sonata, so I'm not sure what it is. I played through the Opus Clavicembalisticum years ago, and I don't remember this page, but that means nothing!

Manuel, I can't place yours offhand; the texture looks like early Rachmaninov (it reminds me of the Moments Musicaux for instance, though it certainly isn't one of those), and I'm sure I know it, but obviously not well enough!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:08:33 AM
I think Manuel's looks like Prokofiev's 2nd PC (the cadenza) but am too lazy to get my score (finally something I actually own...? ::)).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:18:05 AM
Maciek, you are right, Manuel's is the Prokofiev PC2 - I am listening to it to see if Greg's no 7 comes from it, and I hear Manuel's first!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:21:40 AM
Well, all I have is a 2 piano reduction but I'm fairly positive greg's is not from the 2nd PC. (?) Maybe it's the 3rd? Yeah, come to think of it, it looks like the third... ...?

(Can you tell I'm uncertain? ;D)

edit: no, it's definitely not the 3rd... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:39:19 AM
I know Greg's, but I can't remember where from (and it's bugging me!); Prokofiev is a bit of a thin spot in my knowledge I must admit, at least compared to most people here, but Greg's sample reminded me of something like the PC2. However, I don't think it is any more! Back to the drawing board....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:44:58 AM
Got it! I was nearly right - it's the Prok First PC - which I should have know as I think that's my favourite Prok. PC! But I don't have the score, only the two-piano, which I've only looked at once or twice. Still should have got it eariler [kicking myself]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
Can I just say - I love this thread! Scores are just addictive, aren't they?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
Well, it's a good thing you chimed in before I mentioned Rachmaninov... ;D I do feel excused though, on the grounds of not being particularly fond of Proko's 1st. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:54:55 AM
Could someone with a lot of time and patience draw up a list of the ones that haven't been guessed yet? 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
I think Larry's have all been traced; at least two of Greg's remain, and of mine, this is how things stand:

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ? (I'm surprised this wasn't got straight away)
11 - ? (and ditto about this one)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)

I particularly like that we're trying to find interesting scores with personal styles and clues aplenty. More fun than playing hardball - it would be so easy to upload impossible ones, but where would the fun be in that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:18:01 PM
Well, I say no. 11 is Cage... What do you say? ;D

[edit: and groping my way further, I'd go for Concerto for Prepared Piano and Chamber Orchestra...??]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:22:28 PM
I say 'at last' - that inimitable handwriting could be no one else, could it! Now, can you name the piece - one of his most important works, in fact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:26:46 PM
Concerto for Prepared Piano and Chamber Orchestra??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:30:34 PM
Bingo! And that's a bit harder than it looks to get because I think he only writes 'piano' in the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:34:47 PM
So that leaves only 1, 2, 8, 9, 13 and 21. Good work!

Maciek, I have a hunch you will know a few of these. If pushed, I'd say I'd particularly expect that you know no 1 (though I may be wrong)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:40:13 PM
If pushed, I'd say I'd particularly expect that you know no 1 (though I may be wrong)

Well, at first I thought it might be from Lutoslawski's Livre - but I checked the score (well, gave it a casual leafing ;D) and though it does look a bit like some of the ad libitum sections it's not from there. Could it be another Lutoslawski piece? Like the 3rd Symphony (because of that trumpet line)?

(Please don't laugh at me, you can't imagine how difficult this game is for people with knowledge on my level! :o)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:41:34 PM
Not Lutoslawski, no. Not a million miles away, geographically.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Can you by any chance pin down the publisher? That might help...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:44:26 PM
Not me. I've got no more than 20-30 scores at home myself (well, not counting piano, of course ;D), and they all come from the same publisher. And I've seen maybe 10 more in my entire life... :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
A million miles is such a long way... Could it at least be the same continent? (I mean Europe?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
Yes, I meant to narrow it down a little more than 'it is either terrestrial or lunar'. Europe is correct; somewhere fairly near Poland even more so.

I'm surprised you don't have a big score collection - your success rate in this game suggests otherwise!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
Nope, that's just pure luck - just groping around in the dark... ;D

Could no. 8 be the Scelsi?? ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
It could and it is. Do you know the piece? But I need to update my list, I think!!


1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - Scelsi - ? - (Maciek)
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)

Now come on, let's finish them off

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 01:27:35 PM
It could and it is. Do you know the piece?

I don't think I do. As you said, the instrumentation probably leaves little to choose from: violins are present, and a saxophone! My knowledge of Scelsi is good enough to see that those are clues but not good enough to use them. ;D I might try though... Are there any vocal parts in this piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 01:29:02 PM
No voices. How many violins?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 01:50:17 PM
Is it one written on 3 staves?? That would probably mean Anahit...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:09:34 PM
We got there! That's the one, and what a piece it is - one of his finest and most beautifully balanced works.

Interesting score, this. I have no idea why he transposes some parts (horn, for example) but not others (clarinets, for example). The one-violin-on-three-staves thing is no joke or eccentricity - it is necessary for reasons of clarity, as all strings are constantly in use on very closely adjacent notes (the violin has scordatura in this ravishing piece). He carries this notation to its limit in the 4th Quartet, written on 16 staves - one for each string!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:26:39 PM
alright, Luke got #7.

i'll put out 3 more and won't post any more until all are succesfully guessed.

here's a couple of hints:
#1 is an American composer
#2 is a sort of European composer... use your imagination on this one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:27:19 PM
g8
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:27:50 PM
g9 and g10
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:30:17 PM
any more clues on 21, Luke?
I'm dying to figure out which one that is......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
No, man.....


As for these three new ones of yours, they are tricky. The first one...well, for no particular reason I'm going to chuck out the names Eotvos and Dutilleux....or maybe Lindberg (yes, it looks like his work, I think), or Saariaho. Basically, I don't know!

The second one looks like I should know, but it isn't ringing any bells right now

The handwriting in the third looks like Ligeti's, though I can't place the piece right now, which probably means it is something like San Francisco Polyphony or Melodien...... ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:46:35 PM
none of your guesses are right

the first one is a powerful piece, the second one a famous piece, the third is by a composer who should be a bit more well-known
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 02:48:01 PM
No, man.....


As for these three new ones of yours, they are tricky. The first one...well, for no particular reason I'm going to chuck out the names Eotvos and Dutilleux....or maybe Lindberg (yes, it looks like his work, I think), or Saariaho. Basically, I don't know!

The second one looks like I should know, but it isn't ringing any bells right now

The handwriting in the third looks like Ligeti's, though I can't place the piece right now, which probably means it is something like San Francisco Polyphony or Melodien...... ???

Are the really familiar ones the hardest to get? #2 is from the second movement of La Mer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:53:17 PM
none of your guesses are right

the first one is a powerful piece, the second one a famous piece, the third is by a composer who should be a bit more well-known


You see, your italicised powerful makes me think of Kraft - that would be a very strong candidate, I'd have thought. But you said it wasn't Lindberg....

As for the second one, I am kicking myself! I knew it was French, I knew I knew it, it has the motivic unity of Debussy, and yet I didn't make the connection. Something about the look of this excerpt, and the particular printing perhaps, makes it look more 19th century here.

The third one - I know that handwriting, I'm sure of it, though if it isn't Ligeti I don't know who it is right now....I will ponder on
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:53:35 PM
Are the really familiar ones the hardest to get? #2 is from the second movement of La Mer.
another one for Larry!

ok, Luke, i meant #9 was the one i was dying to find out. i'll take another guess.... uh, i really don't know. Did I say Schnittke already? hmmmmmm Arvo Part? Gorecki? Feldman? lol, ok, that's probably too many guesses

Guido's #3 is possibly Schuller
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:55:02 PM
Hold on a minute, scrub what I said about Ligeti's handwriting. That is Rihm's scrawl in your new no 3, surely, Greg?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:58:51 PM
Ah, my no 9. Hmm, clues, clues, clues. Well, that guitar part at the top (acoustic, I'm afraid) is a kind of concertante solo, even though so quiet, slow and simple that I could play it. Then there are the harmonium and cimbalom, which might help. This composer has written only a few orchestral pieces and is better known for his smaller scale songs and piano pieces. One of the finest contemporary composers. This piece has had only one recording AFAIK, though a high profile one. Enough clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:13:49 PM
Here I come with one more. You'll see the JPG has six excerpts on it. Most if not all will be easy to get, though you of course have to identify them all. But that's not the challenge. The challenge is to identify the common thread that unites all six pieces.

Enjoy.  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:22:27 PM
OK, got 5 of the pieces - you are right, they are straightforward. Should I say them or keep quiet till I have the link (if I get it)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:23:22 PM
OK, got 5 of the pieces - you are right, they are straightforward. Should I say them or keep quiet till I have the link (if I get it)?

Up to you!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
Up to you!

Clues may or may not come depending on how quickly the riddle is solved.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:28:46 PM
Well, I can't see any link yet, so I might as well at least say the pieces

Bach - Double Violin Concerto
Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze
not sure about the third one yet - am trying out some possibilities!
Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings
Webern - Symphony
Ravel -Tzigane
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:37:21 PM
Well, I can't see any link yet, so I might as well at least say the pieces

Bach - Double Violin Concerto
Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze
not sure about the third one yet - am trying out some possibilities!
Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings
Webern - Symphony
Ravel -Tzigane

Those five are correct. First clue in about 1/2 hour.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:44:34 PM
Are all six necessary for the link to be found?

and should I be worried that I can't pick the third one straight away?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
oh, and is the link to do with these particular excerpts/movements, or to do with the complete pieces? Or is that asking too much!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:51:45 PM
Are all six necessary for the link to be found?

and should I be worried that I can't pick the third one straight away?

No and no.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:52:37 PM
oh, and is the link to do with these particular excerpts/movements, or to do with the complete pieces? Or is that asking too much!?

Think in terms of the complete works in each case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:53:41 PM
Now just let me eat dinner while you're mulling this over...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:59:45 PM
The third one is Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony (phew!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
All used for choreography by Balanchine?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
All used for choreography by Balanchine?

You got it!  :D

How did you work that out, if I may ask? was it obvious?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:32:23 PM
No, it wasn't obvious at all, or not to me - I'm the first to admit that I know next to nothing about dance. So I must confess, I just put what I thought was a particularly unlikely pair - the Davidsbundlertanze and Tzigane, I think - into Google with the idea that as they have little obvious in common, a webpage on which their names are close together may well provide my answer. I found something about Balanchine so I put 'Webern Balanchine', 'Mendelssohn Balanchine' etc. into Google and kept getting results.

Sorry if this prosaic and possibly 'cheating' method takes away from your question and your time-consuming preparation - there was no other way I'd have got the answer, however, I assure you! At least, I expect I'd have needed a good many clues...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
And now I'm going to bed before you have a chance to get cross with me!  ;)

(in my defence - at least I got the music samples themselves without aid!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:37:48 PM
And now I'm going to bed before you have a chance to get cross with me!  ;)

How do you think I got the Liszt? It looked very familiar, but then I Googled 7/4, found it, looked up the score, and bingo. I have nothing against creative research!!

I am only cross in that you deprived me of the chance to use my excellent clues.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:42:57 PM
How do you think I got the Liszt? It looked very familiar, but then I Googled 7/4, found it, looked up the score, and bingo. I have nothing against creative research!!

I am only cross in that you deprived me of the chance to use my excellent clues.  :D


LOL! And as I admitted pages ago, Google was how I found out what your mysterious 'number 20' was too (which is why I was reluctant to say what is was back then, though I hope you noticed my little clue later on - 'it isn't by Webern, but it nearly is').
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:46:11 PM

LOL! And as I admitted pages ago, Google was how I found out what your mysterious 'number 20' was too (which is why I was reluctant to say what is was back then, though I hope you noticed my little clue later on - 'it isn't by Webern, but it nearly is').


And my next question is, how did Larry figure out the Villa-Lobos using only evidence Luke provided (when he thought he was being so clever in cropping out the title page)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:31:45 PM
Well, I would hope from the clues in the music (I've tried to leave clues in all my examples, otherwise there's no fun in it, I think). In this case, two clues above all:

1) the accelerating push-pull figure, which is an obvious musical equivalent for the idea 'steam train leaving station', but which is actually pretty rare and in orchestral music is best known in Honneger's Pacific 231 and Villa Lobos' Bachianas Brasileras 2

2) the Brazillian percussion

the two taken together making the Villa Lobos the the only possible choice, I'd have thought.

You mean you did it some other way? ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:32:11 AM
I have to say that I find your collective knowledge of scores incredible, quite apart from actually being able to identify a work from one page of a score. I am in awe! 8)

Greg - my no.3 was already identified as a song by Ives - the first of the 114 song book, but no-one's guessed the right song - the first three words are a clue (think politics!)

OK - so here's some scores - they're all a bit dark, but the Great British summer which is providing the light is awful, so its not my fault! You even get to see an attractive shot of my index finger (not sure which hand).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:33:12 AM
more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:34:31 AM
and a few more....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:38:30 AM
Great thread idea by the way Sean! Do you really think that the Fifth Cello Suite is Bach's finest work? And a little thing - it was composed for scordatura tuning - the top string down from an A to a G to give a darker timbre (rather than a six stringed cello as you suggested). The sixth wuite was indeed composed for a five stringed cello, but these are so rare that it is usually played as a virtuoso piece on a four stringer.

With mine - thinking of what instrument I play probably will give you more than an inkling in a lot of cases. A few are quite easy. Don't really have that many full scores - mostly piano reductions of concerti.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:44:40 AM
Well, I would hope from the clues in the music (I've tried to leave clues in all my examples, otherwise there's no fun in it, I think). In this case, two clues above all:

1) the accelerating push-pull figure, which is an obvious musical equivalent for the idea 'steam train leaving station', but which is actually pretty rare and in orchestral music is best known in Honneger's Pacific 231 and Villa Lobos' Bachianas Brasileras 2

2) the Brazillian percussion

the two taken together making the Villa Lobos the the only possible choice, I'd have thought.

You mean you did it some other way? ;)

Of course! Actually, the image was cropped too tightly for me to read all the percussion names. And it's not a piece I know well, V-L not being on my personal hit parade. But you left the 6-digit catalog number at the bottom, and it looked like a Ricordi print. From there, simple.

Nothing wrong with creative research, as I said.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 05:59:54 AM
Of course! Actually, the image was cropped too tightly for me to read all the percussion names. And it's not a piece I know well, V-L not being on my personal hit parade....

...nor on mine. I'm feeling slightly guilty as I know that a few of the pieces I have chosen are by composers you don't rate that highly - I imagine you finding the answer and thinking 'all that effort, for that - ugh!' But I think the point is to choose interesting-looking scores with a trail of clues to follow...

But you left the 6-digit catalog number at the bottom, and it looked like a Ricordi print. From there, simple.

Nothing wrong with creative research, as I said.

And when did you leave your job in the force, Detective Rinkel!  :o That's far too imaginative for me - I thought the choo-choo train impression was enough to go on!

So when you gave your answer, then - Villa Lobos BB 2 - you really meant only that, and weren't thinking of the train impression in this last movement?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 06:09:16 AM
Guido, your number 4 is one of Stravinsky's children's pieces 'for the five fingers' (the little figure at the top of the page refers to the hand position required); number 8 is a piece of Piazzolla - a piece I know but whose name momentarily escapes me (I'll have it in a while, I think). I'll have to look at the others a bit more, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 06:12:52 AM
So when you gave your answer, then - Villa Lobos BB 2 - you really meant only that, and weren't thinking of the train impression in this last movement?

No, I was aware of it. The little train of the -- whatever. I have one V-L CD with BB 2, 4, and 8. That's enough for me. Dpn't feel guilty. I'd feel worse if V-L was on your Hit Parade.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 06:15:40 AM
Great thread idea by the way Sean!

We lost Sean 100 posts ago . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 06:22:48 AM
more...

#5 is from the 3rd movement of the Samuel Barber piano sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 06:28:36 AM
Guido's no 7 is the opening of the Finzi Cello Concerto - should have got that one straight away. His number 10 I don't know, but I'm going to throw in the name Chausson - it looks very French for all sorts of reasons, and the 5/4 is suggestive of him, even though it's only a bar's-worth..... but I'm not aware of this piece if it is him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:29:06 AM
But Sean started it, so I thought he deserved some thanks (he may read the forum still?).

no.4 Right Luke -  I really like those little pieces by Stravinsky - real quality is difficult to find in children's works.

no.5 Yeah - that looks absolutely fearsome to play (but perhaps it's easier to play than it looks?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:34:07 AM
I suppose at the extrememly slow speed that its at it is easier than it looks.

Right there on the Finzi cello concerto - such an arresting opening, and those upward moving trills and scotch snap rhythms are very characteristic of the movement of course.

Still have 6, 8, 9, 10 to get.

no.8 is by Piazzolla, but which piece?

no.10 - It's not Chausson, but it French as you say (French publishers all have the same look).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:51:02 AM
Quote
no.10 - It's not Chausson, but it French as you say (French publishers all have the same look).

Oh yeah - and the markings are in french - actually I love the directions he gives (not much of a clue to say he's male!) - mettre beaucoup de pédale (dans un halo sonore) - a truly magical passage. Also the cello line at figure one - p mais tres intense
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 07:07:45 AM
no.5 Yeah - that looks absolutely fearsome to play (but perhaps it's easier to play than it looks?)

No - it's absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 07:15:16 AM
I suppose at the extrememly slow speed that its at it is easier than it looks.

Right there on the Finzi cello concerto - such an arresting opening, and those upward moving trills and scotch snap rhythms are very characteristic of the movement of course.

Still have 6, 8, 9, 10 to get.

no.8 is by Piazzolla, but which piece?

no.10 - It's not Chausson, but it French as you say (French publishers all have the same look).



#10 is the slow movement of the Poulenc cello sonata - a piece I've never heard before, indeed, did not know of its existence until five minutes ago. Creative research.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Guido's #9 is the Leonard Bernstein Clarinet Sonata, 2nd movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 09:25:11 AM
#10 is the slow movement of the Poulenc cello sonata - a piece I've never heard before, indeed, did not know of its existence until five minutes ago. Creative research.  :D

OTOH, I do know, and didn't recognise it. The shame..... :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 09:27:49 AM
Correct Larry - Although it was meant to make you listen to the piece! Its one of my favourite slow movements ever.

That's right Mark - again, another favourite passage - breathtakingly beautiful.

I have some more lined up, some easy, some difficult.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 09:29:07 AM
more

(mystery 13 buggered up... mystery14 is just the cello part to a concerto, but most of the hall marks of the composer are there - Such a good opening)

mystery 15 also has an orchestral accompaniment version.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 02, 2007, 09:46:36 AM
i'm not even going to try, lol
Guido, is 11 a late Stravinsky score?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 10:27:20 AM
I believe it's the Requiem Canticles, the opening movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 10:30:21 AM
The word "cello solo" in #14 looks like a C.F. Peters typeface.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 11:52:25 AM
I believe it's the Requiem Canticles, the opening movement.

Definitely. A guess (maybe a wild guess) for Guido #12: the Kodaly solo cello sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:18:29 PM
The only one I can do of these straight off is no 12, but Larry has already got it!  >:(  However, at least I can add emphasis - is is the Kodaly. I have this score anyway, but if I didn't, a big clue as to the identity is the obvious scordatura of the C and G strings (down to B and F#) which makes the cross-string arpeggios on this page a peroration in B major
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:37:23 PM
The only one I can do of these straight off is no 12, but Larry has already got it!  >:(  However, at least I can add emphasis - is is the Kodaly. I have this score anyway, but if I didn't, a big clue as to the identity is the obvious scordatura of the C and G strings (down to B and F#) which makes the cross-string arpeggios on this page a peroration in B major

Sorry, Luke.  :P Another batch from me:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
LR23 is a vocal score.
With LR27, I aligned it wrong in the scanner, but you can figure out the clefs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:43:22 PM
Are we still missing any from the earlier pages?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:44:43 PM
I was about to say 23 looked like a vocal score - Wagner? (I only ask because I spotted a Tristan chord in the mix!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
I was about to say 23 looked like a vocal score - Wagner? (I only ask because I spotted a Tristan chord in the mix!)

Not Wagner, but a plausible guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:49:09 PM
Are we still missing any from the earlier pages?

We're missing some of Greg's, I think. And of mine, we are missing 1,2,9,10,13 and 21
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Larry's no 27 - I am guessing Orff's Antigone
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:55:18 PM
Larry's no 27 - I am guessing Orff's Antigone

Yes. And is your #2 John Taverner?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
Yes it is - the handwriting/graphic style?

And your no 25 is Lutoslawski's Third, I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 01:16:44 PM
Kodaly, and Stravinsky are both correct of course. I wish I had some more interesting scores.

Here's some final ones from me...

No.17 is more 'commonly' known in its viola form. Also there is an orchestral version of the accompaniment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 01:19:24 PM
LR 25 is Lutoslawski I think?

EDIT: Just saw that Luke had guessed Lutoslawski 3rd
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 01:21:58 PM
Are we still missing any from the earlier pages?

no. 6 of mine is also not yet solved.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:50:48 PM
Some more from me to be going on with

LO 23 - easy if you know it, which I suspect many of you do
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:55:21 PM
LO 24 - follow clues - style? composer? handwriting? clues inherent in the music?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:59:22 PM
Lo 25 - has all the distinctive hallmarks of the composer, so you only really need to track down the piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:03:39 PM
LO 26 - this is a relatively obscure piece, but there is an easy way to track it down even if you've never heard it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:07:14 PM
LO 27
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:14:43 PM
LO 28 - especially heard in context, a really breathtaking piece of orchestration, IMO
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:21:16 PM
LO 29
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:26:09 PM
LO 30 - an early piece, rather experimental but not typical of the mature style. BTW, this is not a trio  but a piece for string ensemble.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:28:49 PM
Yes it is - the handwriting/graphic style?

No = "Spem."

And your no 25 is Lutoslawski's Third, I think

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:30:20 PM
LO 31
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:31:51 PM
No = "Spem."

which means you can give me the title, I suppose
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:34:54 PM
LO 32 - you'll forgive me if I agree with Rubbra that this is a pretty ridiculous fugue subject.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:35:46 PM
LO 26 - this is a relatively obscure piece, but there is an easy way to track it down even if you've never heard it.

Dvorak - Romance - Andante con moto quasi allegretto - 2nd movement from String Quartet No. 5 in F minor, Op. 9

Hey, mebbe we should get a few more answers before throwing out any more examples!

I've got 5 unanswered still!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:38:09 PM
LO 32 - you'll forgive me if I agree with Rubbra that this is a pretty ridiculous fugue subject.

The whole overblown thing is pretty ridiculous, but then most everything I've heard of his is.

Reger op. 132, variations on a little tiny theme from Mozart's K 331.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:38:46 PM
which means you can give me the title, I suppose

Spem in alium.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:41:37 PM
LO 33
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:46:20 PM
Dvorak - Romance - Andante con moto quasi allegretto - 2nd movement from String Quartet No. 5 in F minor, Op. 9

Hey, mebbe we should get a few more answers before throwing out any more examples!

I've got 5 unanswered still!!  :D

Correct on Dvorak SQ, Reger and Tavener - which latter leaves me with 5 unanswered of my first 22 also. Remind me which ones of yours remain, though I don't think I'll be able to do them!

EDIT - actually, not quite correct on the Tavener title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:52:17 PM
Last one, Larry

LO 34
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM
Correct on Dvorak SQ, Reger and Tavener - which latter leaves me with 5 unanswered of my first 22 also. Remind me which ones of yours remain, though I don't think I'll be able to do them!

EDIT - actually, not quite correct on the Tavener title.

I'll live with the Taverner. My LR21-24, 26 remain unanswered. (I think we're all getting more obscure as this goes on.)

Clues on my 5 unanswered ones, just to move this along:

2 are from operas
1 is by a woman
2 are by the same composer
1 was greatly admired by Brahms
1 is British
1 is American
2 are string quartets (big help there)
All composer last names begin with consonants
All composer first names begin with consonants
3 composer first names have only four letters
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
I'll live with the Taverner. My LR21-24, 26 remain unanswered. (I think we're all getting more obscure as this goes on.)

Possibly - though I'd say at least three of my last selection are probably known by most people here, and maybe six, not including the two you got, are only slightly harder.

The Tavener - you're so close I'll let you have it  ;) - is simply called In Alium. And I think your life can go on very happily if you never hear it, though it is full of sonorities such as I've never heard elsewhere.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
Possibly - though I'd say at least three of my last selection are probably known by most people here, and maybe six, not including the two you got, are only slightly harder.

Maybe, but I'm at the point of extreme sensory overload.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:07:37 PM
I'll live with the Taverner. My LR21-24, 26 remain unanswered. (I think we're all getting more obscure as this goes on.)

Clues on my 5 unanswered ones, just to move this along:

2 are from operas
1 is by a woman
2 are by the same composer
1 was greatly admired by Brahms
1 is British
1 is American
2 are string quartets (big help there)
All composer last names begin with consonants
All composer first names begin with consonants
3 composer first names have only four letters


Sorry, I didn't realise you meant this batch of yours.

Is number 24 from the Quartet by Ruth Crawford Seeger (which would fit a few of your categories!). I seem to recall that reductive-additive pattern from this piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:11:15 PM
Sorry, I didn't realise you meant this batch of yours.

Is number 24 from the Quartet by Ruth Crawford Seeger (which would fit a few of your categories!). I seem to recall that reductive-additive pattern from this piece

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:12:14 PM
Maybe, but I'm at the point of extreme sensory overload.

Sounds...intriguing. I too should really stop for now, as I have less fun things that need to be done, and it is late already. But I doubt I'll be so sensible.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:13:32 PM
LO 29

Is this Richard Strauss?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:16:42 PM
No.

To me a big clue as to the identity (or at least the nationality) is the chord progression of the last bar. Nothing spectacular in itself, but in this context, to my mind anyway, it tends to point quite strongly towards a particular type of music from a particular country
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
No.

To me a big clue as to the identity (or at least the nationality) is the chord progression of the last bar. Nothing spectacular in itself, but in this context, to my mind anyway, it tends to point quite strongly towards a particular type of music from a particular country

I, I+, possibly leading to VI in first inversion . . . I'm drawing a blank.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 03:52:54 PM
Last 2... Easy one, and... another easy one...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:56:31 PM
[to Larry]

That's right - not much of a clue, I know - it could just as easily be the be the James Bond theme (though in the major mode)! But when combined with this kind of texture and melodic material, at least to my ears it's quite a specific sound, and I could probably cite you other similar instances of its use, except that that would give the game away. This theme first appears on a solo clarinet at the beginning of the movement; this is the start of its climactic restatement (it grows from here).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:59:55 PM
Last 2... Easy one, and... another easy one...?

19 - Ives 4, 2nd mvt. - though your score is laid out differently from mine.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
Guido, I don't know either, but the second one looks like a pretentious pile of crap.

Actually, the first one could be Ives 4, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:06:14 PM
Guido, I don't know either, but the second one looks like a pretentious pile of crap.

LOL

Actually, the first one could be Ives 4, come to think of it.

I'm sure of it.

Is LO34 from that Jerry Springer Opera that was so big in the UK?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:07:03 PM
[to Larry]

That's right - not much of a clue, I know - it could just as easily be the be the James Bond theme (though in the major mode)! But when combined with this kind of texture and melodic material, at least to my ears it's quite a specific sound, and I could probably cite you other similar instances of its use, except that that would give the game away. This theme first appears on a solo clarinet at the beginning of the movement; this is the start of its climactic restatement (it grows from here).

Unfortunately I'm not getting anything more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:09:36 PM
LO 33

Looks like B+H typography, similar to that used for BB in the War Requiem, though it looks a bit too dissonant for Britten . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:11:23 PM
LOL

Not too loud, Larry... I assume Guido has just taken it out of context.

Is LO34 from that Jerry Springer Opera that was so big in the UK?

I'm not sure if you are serious, but the answer is no! This is a much more scandalous piece altogether.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
Looks like B+H typography, similar to that used for BB in the War Requiem, though it looks a bit too dissonant for Britten . . .

Correct on publisher, initial of composer's surname and his decade of birth. Which is more than enough clues. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Correct on publisher, initial of composer's surname and his decade of birth. Which is more than enough clues. ;D

Could be Leonard Bernstein, Gordon Binkert, or Robert Barclay - the last two just names to me.

One more this evening from me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:26:13 PM
Could be Leonard Bernstein, Gordon Binkert, or Robert Barclay - the last two just names to me.

So which one do you think it is likely to be, then.... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:27:35 PM
Is your latest from Bolcom's Songs of Experience? I recognise my Blake, and I recognise the words 'Rock singer'. Ergo.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:34:02 PM
[to Larry]

That's right - not much of a clue, I know - it could just as easily be the be the James Bond theme (though in the major mode)! But when combined with this kind of texture and melodic material, at least to my ears it's quite a specific sound, and I could probably cite you other similar instances of its use, except that that would give the game away. This theme first appears on a solo clarinet at the beginning of the movement; this is the start of its climactic restatement (it grows from here).

As in the Liebestraum by Liszt - I'm going to guess this is a Liszt tone poem I maybe don't know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:34:34 PM
Is your latest from Bolcom's Songs of Experience? I recognise my Blake, and I recognise the words 'Rock singer'. Ergo.....

Too easy. Now how about my other four? You've had clues galore.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:39:04 PM
As in the Liebestraum by Liszt - I'm going to guess this is a Liszt tone poem I maybe don't know.

No, sorry. Maybe my one clue was confusing in any case - it's probably more related to my own hearing habits than to musical fact.

Try further east.

Too easy. Now how about my other four? You've had clues galore.

Does that mean my Bolcom guess was right or wrong?

Re. your other four. I've been working on them, believe me! I don't think I'm going to get them, at least not soon. But I've got the other three of that set of seven, so I'm not doing too badly. Your clues haven't been too much help, I must admit, though I was grateful that you pointed out that two were string quartets.... :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:44:06 PM
Don't worry, I've just confirmed with the Bolcom CD.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:47:36 PM
BTW, I am still waiting for my numbers 1, 9, 10, 13 and 21 (particularly surprised about 1 and 10), as well as my new ones 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, and 34 - and I've given clues galore! More clues on request.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
No, sorry. Maybe my one clue was confusing in any case - it's probably more related to my own hearing habits than to musical fact.

Try further east.

Does that mean my Bolcom guess was right or wrong?

Re. your other four. I've been working on them, believe me! I don't think I'm going to get them, at least not soon. But I've got the other three of that set of seven, so I'm not doing too badly. Your clues haven't been too much help, I must admit, though I was grateful that you pointed out that two were string quartets.... :P

Russia?

Bolcom right.

I think my clues are great!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:54:41 PM
So which one do you think it is likely to be, then.... ;)

I wish I could say Lenny, but I can't match any pieces from him when published by B+H.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:55:15 PM
BTW, I am still waiting for my numbers 1, 9, 10, 13 and 21 (particularly surprised about 1 and 10), as well as my new ones 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, and 34 - and I've given clues galore! More clues on request.

1 looks familiar...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:56:01 PM
Russia?

Russia is right. And a whole bunch of Rinkel clues for you - it is a piece of orchestral music by a male composer with more than four letters in his surname  ;D


Go with your instinct on Lenny, btw.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:56:57 PM
1 looks familiar...

The clue I gave Maciek on this one was that it came from his general part of the world, though not Poland.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:20:24 PM
The clue I gave Maciek on this one was that it came from his general part of the world, though not Poland.

Knowing you, it has to be something by Janacek.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:26:17 PM
Your instinct about that Tristan chord is very relevant, and once you can apply that, use my other clues to help narrow it down.

More clues:
Both operas are little-known today.
One opera takes place in Spain.
One does not.
The composer of one of the operas was not American, but in one sense you might have the impression he was American.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:27:35 PM
Russia is right. And a whole bunch of Rinkel clues for you - it is a piece of orchestral music by a male composer with more than four letters in his surname  ;D


Go with your instinct on Lenny, btw.....

Rachmaninoff?

Lenny - Mass doesn't seem right. Dybbuk doesn't seem right. Don't know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 11:38:04 PM
Knowing you, it has to be something by Janacek.

Am I that predictable?  ;D No, it isn't. Right country, though.

Rachmaninoff?

No.

Lenny - Mass doesn't seem right. Dybbuk doesn't seem right. Don't know.

It's actually one of his best known pieces (look at the orchestration, btw), so it's possible that whatever catalogue you are consulting is misleading you.

I'm off to work now, but I will look at your latest clues tonight. One thought, though, without consulting anything or looking back at the examples - if one is set in Spain, and I confused one opera for Wagner, is it possible that one of your samples is Wolf? Der Corregidor is what I am thinking of. I don't know it, though, so this is only a guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 03, 2007, 02:49:53 AM
Luke - is your no.23 the Dvorak violin concerto - end of the first movement? I haven't heard the piece in four years, and don't have a score, so this is just a guess based on the violin line, and the attacca...

no.31 - a completely wild guess - Schnittke string trio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 03:29:23 AM
I'm off to work now, but I will look at your latest clues tonight. One thought, though, without consulting anything or looking back at the examples - if one is set in Spain, and I confused one opera for Wagner, is it possible that one of your samples is Wolf? Der Corregidor is what I am thinking of. I don't know it, though, so this is only a guess.

Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

I'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:08:07 AM
No.

Rimsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:11:20 AM
Luke - is your no.23 the Dvorak violin concerto - end of the first movement? I haven't heard the piece in four years, and don't have a score, so this is just a guess based on the violin line, and the attacca...

Correct

no.31 - a completely wild guess - Schnittke string trio?

Also correct!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:14:15 AM
Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

Hooray!

I'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.

It is the Chichester Psalms, (from the opening of the last one) - but it is a trumpet - the work is scored for strings, harps, brass and percussion

Rimsky?

No, but you're getting down to the right handful (note heavy italics!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:20:37 AM
Hooray!

It is the Chichester Psalms, (from the opening of the last one) - but it is a trumpet - the work is scored for strings, harps, brass and percussion

No, but your getting down to the right handful (note heavy italics!)

Shows you I don't know the Bernstein very well.

Not likely we've got Mussorgsky or Cui. Now let me start thinking about Borodin and Balakirev.

Finally - 1 - Martinu's 6th symphony!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:23:27 AM
Shows you I don't know the Bernstein very well.

Not likely we've got Mussorgsky or Cui. Now let me start thinking about Borodin and Balakirev.

Finally - 1 - Martinu's 6th symphony!!!!  ;D

Got it - at last!

Should I clarify that I think the Wolf is your no 24? Because I do... ;) - that's 4 of that set of 7 found now, and with your Martinu deduction only 4 left of my original 22 also, (though the ones from last night are mostly still to be found).

Carry on thinking about Borodin and Balakirev. It shouldn't take you long now; this is one of its composer's more celebrated movements.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:26:30 AM
Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

I'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.

Actually I have a vocal score to the CP. I must hear it again today, I know I have a CD.

23 is the Wolf. 24 is Ruth Crawford Seeger. Now you can start using my other clues....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:39:37 AM
Got it - at last!

Should I clarify that I think the Wolf is your no 24? Because I do... ;) - that's 4 of that set of 7 found now, and with your Martinu deduction only 4 left of my original 22 also, (though the ones from last night are mostly still to be found).

Carry on thinking about Borodin and Balakirev. It shouldn't take you long now; this is one of its composer's more celebrated movements.

Not Borodin's 2nd, not the Steppes, not the Balakirev Islamey if orchestrated. Don't know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 03, 2007, 08:54:12 AM
ok, i've revealed the answers, 1, 6, 8, and 10 weren't guessed so i added my name.
so, everyone, just tell me when you want my next batch of 10 scores (g11-g20).
personally, i feel like waiting until all the other scores have been identified.

g1- Corigliano- Symphony #1 (Greg)
g2- Takemitsu- Distance (Maciek)
g3- Reich- Piano Phase (Larry)
g4- Ligeti- Viola Sonata (Edward)
g5- Adams- Phrygian Gates (Guido)
g6- Kagel- String Sextet (Greg)
g7- Prokofiev- Piano Concerto #1 (Luke)
g8- Xenakis- Jonchaies (Greg)
g9- Debussy- La Mer (Larry)
g10- Norgard- Symphony 6 (Greg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 03, 2007, 08:58:38 AM
lo 24 looks like Babbitt and lo 25 looks like Takemitsu, but the notes don't sound like him much- if not him, probably Stravinsky
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
ok, i've revealed the answers, 1, 6, 8, and 10 weren't guessed so i added my name.
so, everyone, just tell me when you want my next batch of 10 scores (g11-g20).
personally, i feel like waiting until all the other scores have been identified.

I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

I have that Corigliano in hard copy, and have even heard it twice live. But frankly, if I had been you, I would have quoted a passage that's more characteristic - like the slow repeated fortissimo notes at the opening, or the Albeniz tango that comes in on the offstage piano. Accompaniment patterns like the one you provided just don't give much to focus on.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 03, 2007, 09:23:44 AM
I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

I have that Corigliano in hard copy, and have even heard it twice live. But frankly, if I had been you, I would have quoted a passage that's more characteristic - like the slow repeated fortissimo notes at the opening, or the Albeniz tango that comes in on the offstage piano. Accompaniment patterns like the one you provided just don't give much to focus on.

i don't have the score, i just found the first page of the score online, i can see that it'd be pretty hard  :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 10:11:40 AM
i don't have the score, i just found the first page of the score online, i can see that it'd be pretty hard  :-X

Ah. That does make a difference.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 03, 2007, 11:54:21 AM
Wow! The speed at which this thread is moving along is absolutely astonishing! It's moved 5 pages ahead since I last checked in! I have to confess, though - I'm completely lost: don't which ones have been answered, how many are left to guess or where they are...

I think a good idea would be to find the ones that haven't been answered yet and put them all in one big post - so there's no need to go back and forth between pages: this would be possible because you can hotlink to attachments (show them as images hosted from the GMG site) - so there's no need to reattach the files. If you guys could list your unanswered scores, I could even make the big post myself. But right now I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of material... :o

(Luckily for everyone I'm too lazy to join in ;D - otherwise I guess I could come up with 5-7 interesting ones, though the name of the poster would be too much of a clue in all the cases ;))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 01:04:06 PM
lo 24 looks like Babbitt and lo 25 looks like Takemitsu, but the notes don't sound like him much- if not him, probably Stravinsky

None of the above. 25 is a typical example of this composer's style - and the look of the score is also typical. 24 is a more brutal, raw piece than one would associate with Babbitt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 01:29:32 PM
I think a good idea would be to find the ones that haven't been answered yet and put them all in one big post - so there's no need to go back and forth between pages: this would be possible because you can hotlink to attachments (show them as images hosted from the GMG site) - so there's no need to reattach the files. If you guys could list your unanswered scores, I could even make the big post myself. But right now I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of material... :o

Well, as far as mine go, this is the list after Larry's recent run, with the name of the solver. I've hyperlinked each number to the relevant post:

1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

I would happily do the same for Larry's, Guido's and Greg's ones (and any others I've forgotten) but it's quite nice making a list of who solved them, and I am less sure for these guys' questions than for those I set myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 03, 2007, 02:32:10 PM
Luke, your way of doing this is propably better than mine - the hyperlinks are an excellent idea!

Just to see if mine even works though - here's what I had in mind:

Luke's (unsolved) mystery scores

LO No. 13
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3857;image)

LO No. 28
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4026;image)

[If you guys think this is too messy, I can delete this post... Or perhaps I should expand it by including the hints...?]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 05:13:12 PM
A lot of score pages.

No, this is fine. I just don't know how you did it. I have a few unsolved myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 01:35:12 AM
I right-click on the score photo and select "copy link address" (not "copy image address" as that, I think, would only show a small version of the image). Then I write my post and paste this address in between these:
Code: [Select]
[img][/img](You can type them in or get the program to type them for you by clicking above the edit window and the smileys - on the small "picture" between the small "loudspeaker" and small "Earth" images - "Insert Image". Oh, no - I was trying to put this simply but it seems incomprehensible now...)
If you post a list of the unsolved ones (just the numbers), I can do with yours the same I did with Luke's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 01:42:53 AM
Don't worry, Maciek, that's precisely what I've spent the last hour doing! Here are hyperlinks to all previous questions (including for completeness’ sake my own, though I already posted  them three posts up), plus answers and solvers where appropriate. In the next post I will try to reproduce the images of those still unanswered, unless Maciek is desperate to...

Hope this works!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Kurtag) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 5th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)

Edit - I'm going to update this post as and when the remaining questions are answered, as just now for Larry's success with my no 25 (Varese, Nocturnal)


I've copied this post into page 24, where it is closer to the action; I'll update that post instead of this from now on.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 01:44:01 AM
Luke, this is excellent! Well done! :D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 02:06:04 AM
I've just looked through all the unsolved ones and I can sincerely say I haven't got a clue. 0:)

But there are some very interesting scores there, so I'll be waiting impatiently for the correct answers... 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 04, 2007, 02:17:48 AM
I think my 17 and 18 were accidentally the same, so I removed eighteen. Thanks for the helpful list Luke!
Quote
No 10. An easy one, I think, though there may be some noses that Rinkel up at it....and if that isn't a clue, I don't know what is 

Messiaen?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:48:44 AM
No, but I can see your logic!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 04:14:31 AM
Lo 25 - has all the distinctive hallmarks of the composer, so you only really need to track down the piece

I love these moments when you say to yourself, "could that possibly be - " and you take down the score from your shelf and it is!

In this case, Nocturnal by Varèse.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 04:20:48 AM
No, but I can see your logic!

So can I, but it doesn't look like Dittersdorf either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
 ;D ;D


Re Nocturnal - Bingo! Previous list hereby updated....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 05:16:14 AM
I'm afraid, though, I've reached the limits of my guessing power without further clues.

As for the three of mine left unsolved, I'll repeat and amplify the hints:

One is by a composer already represented in my same series of 7. This composer has already been identified, and is not well known for string quartets.

One piece was quite popular at one time, a favorite of Brahms, but is rarely heard today, though a few recordings have been made.

Two of the pieces were championed by the same well-known conductor.

Though one of the pieces is from an opera, the composer is not one most associated with opera. On the other hand, one of the other composers (other than Wolf, already identified) wrote a once-popular opera little known today.

Actually all three composers wrote operas that are hardly played today.

One composer was Jewish.

One composer was not American, but you might get the impression there were some American aspects to his career.

Two of the composers contracted the same serious disease, though with different effects.

Two of the composers lived during the same highly partisan period in musical history, but one managed to stay friendly to both sides while the other was quite rabidly partisan.

C'est tout!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:21:07 AM
[will look at these further clues in a second Larry]

Guido, is your no 14 Carter, by any chance? It looks quite a lot like him - in fact he was the first thought that came to mind, but I'd clean forgotten about his cello concerto (which I haven't heard).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:22:11 AM
And I'll repost Larry's photos to go with the hints above:

LR30 aka LR21
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3997;image)

LR31 aka LR22
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3999;image)

LR35 aka LR26
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4007;image)

(I hope I didn't get these mixed up - let me know if I should correct anything!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:28:01 AM
So the first of these - the D minor quartet movement - is the first movement (Grave) of Wolf's Quartet, I assume.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:30:14 AM
Will it be completely wrong if at this messed up point I throw a couple of mine in? >:D

I know it would but, as you all know, it's difficult to resist once you have them on your computer. 0:) Luckily - I've only got five. Two of these are admittedly a bit obscure, one is half-obscure ( ;D) but very easy to guess if you've heard the piece even once. The other two are laughably easy (IMHO)... As I said before: look at who is posting these and you will easily guess all the rest. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:31:16 AM
MM04 and MM05
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:32:37 AM
(I'll let you on on the theme though: all of them feature at least one solo piano... ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:42:01 AM
The fact that is you, and also the print style, lead me to think all are Polish. No 4, I think, is from the Szymanowski Symphonie concertante (Symph 4) - second movement. I need to look at the others a little more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 04, 2007, 05:42:48 AM
No. 3 is the Lutoslawski Piano Concerto?

Edit: Duh, it's more likely the Paganini Variations. My first guess was based solely on the appearance of the PWM typography, which never fails to put the name Lutoslawski in my head.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:46:28 AM
The fact that is you, and also the print style, lead me to think all are Polish.

Some very good thinking there, Luke. ;D

Quote
No 4, I think, is from the Szymanowski Symphonie concertante (Symph 4) - second movement.

Correct! :D

Edit: Duh, it's more likely the Paganini Variations.

Correct! :D

That's the two laughable ones behind us. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:48:13 AM
and no 3 looks (just possibly) like Lutoslawski Paganini Variations,...


darn, Mark already got there. The typeface and cutaway style says Lutoslawski; the sequences say Paganini...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:04:15 AM
OK, some clues to follow Larry’s. My remaining ones are: 9, 10, 13, 21, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30, 34


Only one is American; it is recognisably so, but it specifically and titular-ly (?) associates itself with certain aspects of  twentieth century European music.

Two quote or refer to earlier works by major composers whose surnames begin with M

Two set religious texts (in Latin)

One depicts a very specific landscape and culture; the score contains an obvious hint as to what landscape/culture this is.

One is a memorial

One includes parts for football whistles and alarms

One is from an opera riddled with adverts, parodies, grotesqueries and social comment.

Two are from symphonies

One is taken from the last movement of the third piece of a very well-known triptych

One is a concert version of a film score.

One is infamous

The only one I haven’t given a clue to was chosen by me, which is clue enough
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:05:19 AM
Maciek, is one of yours Penderecki? I'm thinking about no 5, but have little to justify myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 04, 2007, 06:06:43 AM
mm5 looks like Penderecki, i mean that's exactly how he writes his scores...
i just opened my Oxford Dictionary of music and flipped right into Penderecki's page right when i opened the book without turning any other pages (don't know how that happened) and tried looking for a piece with just piano and timpani, but couldn't find any (i didn't think i would).

the only too composers i know with scores that may look exactly like his are Serocki and Gorecki, i'm guessing the composer is Polish (big surprise!  ;D ) But i'm guessing Serocki over Gorecki- Serocki- Continuum...

(i've heard this before, and i should have a page from the score still on a CD somewhere)

oh wait..... let me change my guess again. Fantasmagoria
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:11:51 AM
Yes, I thought Serocki too - I've only seen a few of his scores, a long time ago, but I called them to mind when i saw no 5. Wouldn't know which piece it could be if it was him, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 06:26:21 AM
opera riddled with adverts, parodies

Type that into Google, and what do you get?

VeggieTales - Sumo of the Opera (http://www.epinions.com/content_156372536964)

Is my guess correct? :P

Maciek, is one of yours Penderecki? I'm thinking about no 5, but have little to justify myself.

Luke, it is not Penderecki, though I can see why you thought it was him. It's probably the most obscure piece on the list. This composition was commissioned by the same man who commissioned Penderecki's Passion. It's the only one of mine scored for two pianos and orchestra. That's enough clues for now. ;D

OK, while I was writing this you guys narrowed it down very well. I've therefore made the clue a little shorter. :P

It's neither Continuum nor Fantasmagoria.

I must say I'm really impressed, BTW. Serocki is one of my favorite composers, and I've been intending to start a separate thread on him for a long time now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 04, 2007, 06:29:59 AM
It's neither Continuum nor Fantasmagoria.
dude, i give up, i have no idea  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 06:39:30 AM
So the first of these - the D minor quartet movement - is the first movement (Grave) of Wolf's Quartet, I assume.

Correct. Keep using your clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 06:41:38 AM
Type that into Google, and what do you get?

VeggieTales - Sumo of the Opera (http://www.epinions.com/content_156372536964)

Is my guess correct? :P


Just scroll down 4 paragraphs in that link . . . .

I've never even heard of Serocki.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:43:39 AM
Just scroll down 4 paragraphs in that link . . . .


'Schoolhouse Polka with Larry' - but...but....but that's my number 13! :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:44:21 AM
Quote
...Larry is quite exhausted by the time it’s all over....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 06:50:57 AM
Quote
Buckle down, Serocki, buckle down . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 06:53:23 AM
This has become one my favorite threads, BTW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 07:47:24 AM
This has become one my favorite threads, BTW.

Then post a selection of your own!

Not to sound sententious, but what's good about this thread is that it calls upon you to use all kinds of musical knowledge - history, style, even typography - rather than just seeing a piece and identifying it on the spot.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 08:14:25 AM
Then post a selection of your own!

But, if I post a piece of my own, I am the only one who will be able to identify it!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 08:16:21 AM
Not really - if you posted Castelo, I'd propably recognize it! ;)

OK, I'll just add a few clues to mine. The Serocki - I've already given you a clue that basically narrows it all down to one piece. ;D And BTW, if Larry doesn't know him, I'm definitely starting a thread on him this week!

As for the other two:

One is by a composer whose cause I've been championing almost since the moment I joined GMG. Luke once criticized this composer's cello writing, saying it's not idiomatic and very contrived. (Guido, I understand, thought the cello piece quite intriguing.) I've once posted samples of 3 different performances of the beginning of this piece.

The other is by a composer who doesn't really need advertising. The piece in question (certainly not one of his best) has been released by Naxos (though that wasn't the premiere recording). IIRC most of the GMGers who commented on that disc weren't very enthusiastic about this piece (though one or two of them did say they liked it). It is dedicated to a pianist with a Polish surname who isn't really Polish but a Swede of Polish descent.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 08:19:46 AM
But, if I post a piece of my own, I am the only one who will be able to identify it!  ;)

Not if you post something from that score of yours you gave me . . .

But I was thinking of a selection from your own score library.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 08:26:02 AM
I've added clues to mine one post above (accidentally - fully believing that I'm actually writing a new post... ::))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:01:43 AM
Since my stock of good guesses had been depleted, I'll repost those of Guido's pictures which haven't been solved yet (BTW, Luke: it's 4th Symphony, and no. 5 is Serocki! $:), and thanks for including me in the list, BTW :)):

GMB 15
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3994;image)

GMB 17
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4014;image)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 09:06:59 AM
One is by a composer whose cause I've been championing almost since the moment I joined GMG. Luke once criticized this composer's cello writing, saying it's not idiomatic and very contrived. (Guido, I understand, thought the cello piece quite intriguing.) I've once posted samples of 3 different performances of the beginning of this piece.

Well, I suppose this - and it can only be no 1 or no 2, and I'm plumping for no 1 (see below) - must be Szymanski, though I don't recall being that harsh on his cello writing. I think I remember what you are talking about - I think the piece in question had some polyphonic techniques which I've also seen in James Dillon, and which never really come off as written to my mind, though they can be effective in other ways. Can't make a guess as to the piece, though to be safe I'll ask if it's a piano concerto

The other is by a composer who doesn't really need advertising. The piece in question (certainly not one of his best) has been released by Naxos (though that wasn't the premiere recording). IIRC most of the GMGers who commented on that disc weren't very enthusiastic about this piece (though one or two of them did say they liked it). It is dedicated to a pianist with a Polish surname who isn't really Polish but a Swede of Polish descent.

Is this Kilar, by any chance? Guessing no 2 is the second mvt of his Piano Concerto, which has this tempo marking and is described on Amazon UK as having a repetitive piano part (in keeping with what else I've heard of Kilar) (I could just listen to their sample, I suppose)(I did, and it is!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 09:10:35 AM
(BTW, Luke: it's 4th Symphony, and no. 5 is Serocki! $:)

Oops, slip of the finger (corrected). At least I got it right in my original answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:17:42 AM
Well done, Luke! I was going to say Watson but in fact you're definitely Holmes! 8)

I didn't think your criticism of Szymanski was all that harsh, and I'm pretty sure I disfigured it quite a bit anyway. Obviously, I was close enough for you to remember what I meant though. ;D It is Szymanski, and it is his Piano Concerto - the toccata-like opening, to be exact.

And yes the other piece is Kilar's Piano Concerto. But, surprise, surprise, it's the first movement (well, you couldn't have got everything right! ;D). Actually, I think this one works quite well. It's the second and third that are a bit tiring and trying...

I guess I should be more reticent in my clues. The title of the Serocki is still open to discussion though. ;D

Update: this is what you originally said about Szymanski's Gigue. I'm reposting it because I think it's a very intelligent and interesting comparison (even if I'm not sure if the complexity is actually less calculated than Ferneyhough's - I'm not saying that based on my analytical abilities - which are nonexistent, only taking Szymanski's word for it ;)):

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Strange looking piece! Certainly extremely hard! Reminds me in general (specifics are different) of James Dillon's special way of writing for strings, which makes the assumption that two part counterpoint in complex rhythms (say, a line in ninths on the D string against on in sevenths on the G) is a normal way to play. This is a sort of idealised complexity a world away from the horrendous and more carefully calculated demands of a Ferneyhough, for instance.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
Update: this is what you originally said about Szymanski's Gigue. I'm reposting it because I think it's a very intelligent and interesting comparison (even if I'm not sure if the complexity is actually less calculated than Ferneyhough's - I'm not saying that based on my analytical abilities - which are nonexistent, only taking Szymanski's word for it ;)):

I wasn't saying that Szymanski isn't as calculating as Ferneyhough, more that Ferneyhough's primary concern, one could say, is the difficulty of his music - it is a parameter he calculates and grades almost as a contrapuntal element in the music. It follows that however insanely difficult Ferneyhough is, it is always potentially possible. Whereas this string-writing technique of Dillon's, also seen to my mind in the piece of Szymanski - (a technique which is more broad-brush, simple in its own way, and yet often pretty much technically impossible to bring off) - really functions as a kind of shorthand for something else. IOW, what is written is not what is expected of the player, but their attempt to play it will produce the right sound. Taking this into account, the music is generally easier than Ferneyhough, who never uses this kind of notational 'shorthand'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:55:45 AM
Thanks, Luke. That's even more interesting now that I understand what you meant. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Guido, why not add a few clues for us?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 04, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
GMB 14 is correct Luke - Carter's cello concerto is one of the most significant CCs of recent years I think - and a piece that amply demonstrates how beautiful atonal scores can be in a fairly traditional sense (though it has its fair share of eruptive dissonance too! The Symphonia is another beautiful score).

OK Here's some clues for the rest

2 composers became US citizens after moving from Europe
1 composer is famous for only one piece really
1 composer worked very closely with two very famous composers on the creation of this piece
1 composer is primarily known as a (current) conductor and also a film composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 01:01:39 PM
GMB 06 Previn - Sonata for cello and piano (1st mvt)!!! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 01:58:01 PM
I'm going to say that Larry's 31/22 is the prelude to the second scene of Delius's A Village Romeo and Juliet. I finally managed to catch on to Larry's syphilis Larry's clue about two composers having suffered from the same disease was what led me there - Wolf had syphilis; so did Delius, who also has American elements to his career (another Larry clue). I don't know this work, but 31/22 looks fairly Delian, and at least is fairly obviously English; listening to the Amazon sample I found I wasn't entirely sure until the last few seconds, where that opening flute figure returns.

For some reason I never imagined Larry owning a Delius score, mind you...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 02:46:19 PM
I'm going to say that Larry's 31/22 is the prelude to the second scene of Delius's A Village Romeo and Juliet. I finally managed to catch on to Larry's syphilis Larry's clue about two composers having suffered from the same disease was what led me there - Wolf had syphilis; so did Delius, who also has American elements to his career (another Larry clue). I don't know this work, but 31/22 looks fairly Delian, and at least is fairly obviously English; listening to the Amazon sample I found I wasn't entirely sure until the last few seconds, where that opening flute figure returns.

For some reason I never imagined Larry owning a Delius score, mind you...

Larry owns a few Delius scores. It's unjust of me to say how rotten Delius is if I've never heard any Delius. This piece, however, which is not from A Village Romeo and Juliet (unless he used the same material over again - which, come to think of it, could be said of his entire boring career), but is one of the few Delius pieces I can more or less tolerate.  :D

It looks like one more of mine has to be guessed, and I'm kind of surprised so many have missed the mark on this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
Is it Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:51:46 PM
I don't suppose it can be if only one of the three was from an opera, because the implication of your last post is that the Delius isn't...

and there I was spending ages sifting the evidence.....

That rising melody which opens your Delius, whatever piece it is, is [almost] certainly in the Village R+J prelude I listened to....or maybe I was listening too hard for it. Listen (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/music/clipserve/B000001RZR001005/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_005/026-5275857-5449242) and tell me if I'm mad! - towards the end, I thought.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:00:29 PM
Is it Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony?

Finally! how did you get it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
I don't suppose it can be if only one of the three was from an opera, because the implication of your last post is that the Delius isn't...

and there I was spending ages sifting the evidence.....

That rising melody which opens your Delius, whatever piece it is, is [almost] certainly in the Village R+J prelude I listened to....or maybe I was listening too hard for it. Listen (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/music/clipserve/B000001RZR001005/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_005/026-5275857-5449242) and tell me if I'm mad! - towards the end, I thought.

It is Delius, and it is from an opera.

Or perhaps more precisely, it is based by Delius on material from an opera. Perhaps I didn't have that straight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
It looks like one more of mine has to be guessed, and I'm kind of surprised so many have missed the mark on this one.

FWIW, I heard my first ever Delius piece last week. And it wasn't an opera (at least not that I'm aware of ;D)...

(OK, probably, I've heard Delius before that but I don't remember.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
Finally! how did you get it?

Bear in mind I've never heard the piece and only seen chamber scores by the composer....

I sifted around your clues a little - a lot! - especially the bits about Brahms, Beecham (I worked him out, via Delius, from another of your clues) and the composer being Jewish. Wiki was - for once - quite a lot of help. I follwed a red herring thinking the music was French (led astray by the edition) until I saw the 'sehr zart'.

One thing confused me a little - your clue which said

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Two of the composers lived during the same highly partisan period in musical history, but one managed to stay friendly to both sides while the other was quite rabidly partisan.

I assume this refers to Wolf (rabidly partisan beyond all doubt) and Goldmark (Wiki quotes Liebermann: "His writing is distinctive for his even-handed promotion of both Brahms and Wagner, at a time when audiences (and most critics) were solidly in one composer's camp or the other and viewed those on the opposing side with undisguised hostility.") - but Goldmark (b.1830) was 30 years older than Wolf (b.1860), whereas Delius (b.1862) was only two years Wolf's junior - and yet Delius was as rabidly partisan as Wolf, AFAIK.

Anyway, got there in the end.

***

So, the Delius is opera-derived....the Irmelin prelude?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:18:29 PM
Bear in mind I've never heard the piece and only seen chamber scores by the composer....

I sifted around your clues a little - a lot! - especially the bits about Brahms, Beecham (I worked him out, via Delius, from another of your clues) and the composer being Jewish. Wiki was - for once - quite a lot of help. I follwed a reed herring thinking the music was French (led astray by the edition) until I saw the 'sehr zart'.

One thing confused me a little - your clue which said

I assume this refers to Wolf (rabidly partisan beyond all doubt) and Goldmark (Wiki quotes Liebermann: "His writing is distinctive for his even-handed promotion of both Brahms and Wagner, at a time when audiences (and most critics) were solidly in one composer's camp or the other and viewed those on the opposing side with undisguised hostility.") - but Goldmark (b.1830) was 30 years older than Wolf (b.1860), whereas Delius (b.1862) was only two years Wolf's junior - and yet Delius was as rabidly partisan as Wolf, AFAIK.

Anyway, got there in the end.

***

So, the Delius is opera-derived....the Irmelin prelude?



Sorry about all that. Delius Irmelin Prelude - yes! All mine are in for now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
A few left of Guido's and mine (more clues available above (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77230.html#msg77230)),  and they will all be solved.

All that is, except for the identification of Maciek's Serocki piece - my new guess, based on the 'one or more pianos' clue, is Forte e piano which I am told is for two pianos and orch.

And then, roll on Round Two!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:52:52 PM
FWIW, I heard my first ever Delius piece last week. And it wasn't an opera (at least not that I'm aware of ;D)...

(OK, probably, I've heard Delius before that but I don't remember.)

He does have that effect  . . . .  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 04, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Great Maciek! Only three left of mine.

I think the composers of two are reasonably easy to find (or at least not impossible), if not the actual piece in question (although once the composer is guessed there is only a very limited range of things that each could be.)

On the one with for violin and piano, close study of the violin part might be advised...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 04:33:38 PM
All that is, except for the identification of Maciek's Serocki piece - my new guess, based on the 'one or more pianos' clue, is Forte e piano which I am told is for two pianos and orch.

The reasoning is flawless, therefore the conclusion is correct. 8)

(If you look closely, you'll notice that I even said the Serocki piece was for two pianos and orchestra. And there only seems to be one piece like that in his catalogue...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 04, 2007, 05:22:22 PM
Guido, why not add a few clues for us?

(BTW, do take a look in the Broadcast Corner!)

Guys, you better keep Maciek away... He does the Midas thing...


everything he touches turns polish.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 12:25:12 AM
On the one with for violin and piano, close study of the violin part might be advised...

Aha! - I had already thought of Schumann, but his A minor Sonata wasn't right. But....

...I forgot the Schumann-initiated FAE Sonata - Frei aber einsam - which was a collaborative effort between Schumann (who wrote the second and fourth movements), Brahms (whose Scherzo is probably the best-known movement) and Albert Dietrich, Schumann's pupil, whose first movement must be the answer to Guido's question. Dietrich must have absorbed enough of his teacher's style to be mistaken for him, because as I initially said, Schumann was my first thought when I saw this score.

The clue which Guido was hinting at, I assume, is the highlighted F - A - E on the last line (each movement makes reference to this motto); and now his clue about one of his works being a collaborative effort also makes sense.

Edit - this is Guido's no 16 I'm talking about, just to clarify
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 02:08:18 AM
Brilliant. I can't seem to find a recording of the complete piece anywhere...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:18:13 AM
Excellent! That leaves only two of yours - and they're bloody hard, let me tell you! (They'll turn out to be something we [should] all know, of course...)

Still ten of mine to go, though. I'm happy to give more clues, but really, I'd expected someone to get no 10 by now - I thought it would be first to go!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:07:25 AM
Guys, you better keep Maciek away... He does the Midas thing...


everything he touches turns polish.

Manuel, that remark in brackets was meant for Guido only because he collects pieces for cello. But you're right - it's the sort of thing that should be kept to PMs - I'll delete it in a sec.

(And I promise to stay away now.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 05, 2007, 03:11:15 AM
Manuel, that remark in brackets was meant for Guido only because he collects pieces for cello. But you're right - it's the sort of thing that should be kept to PMs - I'll delete it in a sec.

(And I promise to stay away now.)


Please don't. I was only joking. (I should have added one of the  ;D or  :D... )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:16:38 AM
But I'm completely out of guesses anyway... :'(

(See, you should never trust me when I say "I promise"! ;D)

BTW, I promise: no more Polish music from me!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 04:09:06 AM
Excellent! That leaves only two of yours - and they're bloody hard, let me tell you! (They'll turn out to be something we [should] all know, of course...)

Still ten of mine to go, though. I'm happy to give more clues, but really, I'd expected someone to get no 10 by now - I thought it would be first to go!

That arpeggiation in the cellos suggests Philip Glass. But on the whole it doesn't look simple-minded enough to be Philip Glass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 04:11:49 AM
Cellos?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 04:21:49 AM
I'm sorry that the instrument name here is not clear - I didn't intend that - but it is possible to work out what it is from its position in the score - that is to say, it is above something else - and you can make out some of the name further down the page. Also the type of music it is playing, and the notes themselves, suggest a particular instrument, though one aspect of the articulation is not common practice for this instrument. It's worth pointing out at this juncture that, whilst he was composing this piece, the composer was also engaged as a copyist working on, among other things, the most strikingly innovative parts of one of the two large orchestral works of the composer of my no 25. Got that?  ;D

Once you've determined what's going on here, surely the answer will come in seconds.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Neither are masterpieces, and not the composers best work (although I like one very much in deed), but I think that the composers are gettable from the scores, and as I say, once that has been got, there's only a limited number of pieces that each could be.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:49:20 AM
May I just add, for those who keep getting lost in this thread as I do, that Luke's unsolved pics are on page 18 (Reply #352). The regularly updated list of answers is in Reply #355 (same page).

Guido's unsolved pics are on page 20 (Reply #391).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:30:00 AM
Cellos?

No, not cellos. I assumed there were double basses below the staff with the arpeggiated G+ chord, and I carelessly didn't notice the two unpitched staves at the very bottom of some of the systems. Since one does not normally expect that at the bottom of a score, maybe these are percussion instruments. But I cannot make out any instrument names at all except one Trb.; all I can see are I-II-III-IV. It's cropped too tight at the left and too blurry to get any more.

Now let me think who was a copyist for Varèse when he was writing Amériques or Arcana, and frankly I don't know....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 05, 2007, 05:37:13 AM
He does have that effect  . . . .  :D
lol
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:39:58 AM
No, not cellos. I assumed there were double basses below the staff with the arpeggiated G+ chord, and I carelessly didn't notice the two unpitched staves at the very bottom of some of the systems. Since one does not normally expect that at the bottom of a score, maybe these are percussion instruments. But I cannot make out any instrument names at all except one Trb.; all I can see are I-II-III-IV. It's cropped too tight at the left and too blurry to get any more.

Now let me think who was a copyist for Varèse when he was writing Amériques or Arcana, and frankly I don't know....

Let me give a further hint - how many different pitches are each of I, II, III and IV - and V and VI - playing? What does this suggest, instrumentally?

And what does this conclusion suggest, in terms of what work this must be?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:41:53 AM
...oh, and it was Ameriques, btw, just fyi!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:44:04 AM
Let me give a further hint - how many different pitches are each of I, II, III and IV - and V and VI - playing? What does this suggest, instrumentally?

And what does this conclusion suggest, in terms of what work this must be?

The pitches suggest a whole lot of timpani - but the legato phrasing suggests otherwise.

I am wondering if this could be Colin McPhee, who studied with Varèse and was noted for his interest in gamelan. Maybe his supposedly best-known work, Tabuh-Tabuhan. But I've never heard it and would never get it from the score. (Of course, maybe if I saw the instrument designations ....  :D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:48:35 AM
That's what I meant when I said one aspect of the articulation notation was unusual. This composer tends to do things unconventionally, as the 18 timpani (and that mammoth brass section) suggest....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:50:30 AM
That's what I meant when I said one aspect of the articulation notation was unusual. This composer tends to do things unconventionally, as the 18 timpani (and that mammoth brass section) suggest....

Check my edited post.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:53:01 AM
That's what I meant when I said one aspect of the articulation notation was unusual. This composer tends to do things unconventionally, as the 18 timpani (and that mammoth brass section) suggest....

It can't be Berlioz!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:58:04 AM
No, it isn't, but this piece is in part indebted to the Berlioz Requiem, for the reasons you imply, and to Berlioz in general, for other reasons. It is also, however, indebted to many other composers, without ever being less than an entirely personal work.

Think big, Larry [or anyone else], very big.

and think of pieces you've not been fulsome in your praise of in the past.... ;D (though I'm pleased that on the evidence of the score you judge it 'not as simple-minded as Glass' - that's something, at least!  ;D ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:03:41 AM
No, it isn't, but this piece is in part indebted to the Berlioz Requiem, for the reasons you imply, and to Berlioz in general, for other reasons. It is also, however, indebted to many other composers, without ever being less than an entirely personal work.

Think big, Larry [or anyone else], very big.

and think of pieces you've not been fulsome in your praise of in the past.... ;D (though I'm pleased that on the evidence of the score you judge it 'not as simple-minded as Glass' - that's something, at least!  ;D ;D )

AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:04:10 AM
AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You actually bought a score to that thing?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 06:06:03 AM
Yes I did. Well, it was a present, actually, when I was a teenager....

But I'm proud of it!

(Of course, maybe if I saw the instrument designations ....  :D )

as far as that goes, all you need[ed] to know is that there's masses of everything. On this page, in addition to the six sets of three timps, there are 2 cornets, 12 trumpets, 11 trombones, 10 tubas....and two bass drums. That scale is reflected in the rest of the orchestra and in the piece's length.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 06:10:06 AM
Not H.B., Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:11:57 AM
Yes I did. Well, it was a present, actually, when I was a teenager....

But I'm proud of it!

as far as that goes, all you need[ed] to know is that there's masses of everything. On this page, in addition to the six sets of three timps, there are 2 cornets, 12 trumpets, 11 trombones, 10 tubas....and two bass drums. That scale is reflected in the rest of the orchestra and in the piece's length.

Well, I've been thinking of trading my Marco Polo CDs for the reissue on Naxos, just to save bloat room. But I can't bear the idea of coughing up $12 when I've already spent $25 on that gothic monstrosity . . .  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 06:14:50 AM
Not H.B., Luke?

I don't think he could have copied Ameriques - unless some paranormal element was involved... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:14:50 AM
Yes I did. Well, it was a present, actually, when I was a teenager....

But I'm proud of it!

as far as that goes, all you need[ed] to know is that there's masses of everything. On this page, in addition to the six sets of three timps, there are 2 cornets, 12 trumpets, 11 trombones, 10 tubas....and two bass drums. That scale is reflected in the rest of the orchestra and in the piece's length.

How many staves does he need to write it? 200?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:23:37 AM
I don't think he could have copied Ameriques - unless some paranormal element was involved... ;D

Google "havergal brian varèse" and read the first entry. I know I'm right!  ;D
 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 06:25:47 AM
Man, Maciek, I snooze, I lose!  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 06:29:49 AM
Ah, that H.B.!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 07:53:23 AM
I hope I didn't upset Luke too much by making fun of this beached whale glorious symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 08:43:28 AM
How about some more clues for the other ones, Luke? We're not really moving ahead... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 05, 2007, 08:44:11 AM
what's left? luke's stuff...... and?....
once that's all guessed, i'm posting my own stuff, ok?  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 08:46:34 AM
Greg, you're not supposed to tell us whose stuff it will be! 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
Nah, Larry, I just had to go out!

To confirm - Mr Rinkel is right - it is the HB Gothic

and Mr Rinkel is wrong - he underrates The Gothic terribly.  ;D

BTW, Larry,  - I'm not at all upset, as from my first posting of this example I was aware of your possible reaction! ;D  But, if you'll indulge me, and speaking purely musically, I've always been genuinely interested to know your criticisms of this piece - which is certainly very far from above criticism - because as you ought ot know by now, I value your insights. I suspect it is merely a matter of standards, and that mine are set rather lower than yours...

My own view on the quality of The Gothic is this, FWIW: It seems to me that works of this sort - extreme, late-Romantic, heaven-storming things of limitless ambition - call for a kind of spontaneity and even naivety on the part of the composer; something more calculating or more 'perfect' just wouldn't do, aesthetically, would strike a jarring note (that is part of the problem with Mahler 8, IMO). Brian's Gothic is flawed, seriously so, and not even the most ardent Brianite would deny it (Malcolm Macdonald, attempting a personal 'ranking' of the HB 32 places The Gothic aside at the very start, as he says it is far from Brian's finest piece but at the same time is his most important, essential one, his true masterpiece). But the flaws are necessary, are indeed part of the vision (as they are in much of my favourite music - Janacek, Ives....), and they make it a very human, brave document IMO.

Of course, if The Gothic were only flaws then it would be worth forgetting as quickly as possible, but to my mind, when it catches fire, as it does very often and for sustained periods of time, there is literally nothing like it. I have fallen out of love with Romantic music in the last few years, but to me works like this stand hors concours, above matters of style - the last five or ten minutes of The Gothic, from which my example comes, are unique, and uniquely powerful; to my mind more shattering than anything in Mahler etc. - and that is partly because they have obviously been through the fire (as Janacek would say) and are unmediated by smooth technique or calculating tricks of presentation.

oh, BTW, maximum staves in The Gothic score is something between 50 and 60 (I can't check because I'm not at home). Nothing too terrible - Ligeti is just as extreme, isn't he?  ???

However, this is somewhat off the subject of the thread...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 05, 2007, 08:52:36 AM
Greg, you're not supposed to tell us whose stuff it will be! 0:)
no, i didn't mean it like that lol
not the score I wrote, i just meant "some other scores" that i will post
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 08:56:19 AM
Nah, Larry, I just had to go out!

To confirm - Mr Rinkel is right - it is the HB Gothic

Larry pre-empted me? Splendid!  Anyway, I'm pleased that I guessed right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:02:29 AM
I'm sorry to have dumbfounded you though - the discussion was going completely over my head, and I assumed you meant Berlioz. :-[

BTW, I've had the "Gothic" on my computer, ready to listen to, for quite a while now (thank you, Johan :D) - I guess it's time I finally listened to it... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:05:06 AM
How about some more clues for the other ones, Luke? We're not really moving ahead... :-\

More clues....

OK, I'll be specific to the particular examples, then. I expect them to start tumbling in the next few minutes, because some of these clues are pretty blatant... strikethrough = found

no 9 - this is the memorial one, with a solo guitar. I was wrong when I said it only had one recording; it has at least two. I got a CD by this composer in the post today, if that helps. ;D

no 13 - this is the American one whose title, and this specific moment, refer to works from Europe (Vienna, in fact). I have met this composer, if that helps.  He had a beard, but he didn't when he wrote this piece ;D

no 21 - this is the concert version of the film score. This composer is well known for his film scores, but equally for his concert work. He is often said to have been the first to apply the term minimalism to music.

no 25 - this is the one which is an attempt to conjure up a landscape/culture. Just look down the list of instruments and you'll find it. The composer does not come from that country, but he did work there for a while. He writes complex music, as you ought not need to be told.

no 27 - this piece has been mentioned in passing on another thread (composers board) in the last day or two. The composer appears to have two Christian names and no surname.

no 28 - this piece begins with a depicition of mass-murder-as-entertainment, Roman style.

no 29 - this piece, as Larry determined, is by Balakirev or Borodin. Surely you don't need more than that!

no 30 - I chose this, so you can guess who it is by.

no 34 - is by a composer who had a run in with a swan recently.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:07:51 AM
Larry pre-empted me? Splendid!  Anyway, I'm pleased that I guessed right.

Well, in context - given the clues he'd just been following, and his opinion of the piece, I'd say that, although not 100% specific

AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and

You actually bought a score to that thing?  :D

suggest that he did guess the piece first!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
I thought No. 21 could be Nyman but I still don't think I know the piece...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:13:34 AM
Drowning by Numbers??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:18:45 AM
Genius. Well done!!! The first movement, which deconstructs Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante, and quite beautifully, if I may say so as a non-Nyman-ite. He extracts all appogiature from a passage of the slow movement and simply repeats them all (three times each in the film score, varying numbers in the concert version....or the other way round). (Well, it's not quite that simple, but nearly). The result is actually very interesting, a sort of concentrated Mozart, all the most expressive moments compressed together, but under the cool an unemotional hand of a process - it's this dichotomy which makes the whole thing work.

The whole score to the film is based on this melody, BTW, but only this part quotes it directly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 09:23:30 AM
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77621.html#msg77621

Perfectly fair, all above board, and (as I say) my delight is unalloyed in all events :-)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 09:24:10 AM
Maciek, what is the Polish for "you are da man!"?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:35:03 AM
no 27 - this piece has been mentioned in passing on another thread (composers board) in the last day or two. The composer appears to have two Christian names and no surname.

Could this be the post you mean?

Great thread. Martin is one of the greatest composers of the century.

To me, his supreme masterpiece is the cycle of songs on Rilke's poems "Der Cornet", one of the most powerful and deeply touching cycle of Lieder I heard since Schubert. Lipovsek and Zagrosek are good, but I prefer the more subtle version of Jard van Nes and De Leeuw.

The cello concerto, from 1965, is another beautiful work.

Golgotha, in the tradition of Honegger's oratorios, with a more popular language, has very strong moments.

Other masterpieces of Frank Martin: Jedermann (with Fischer Dieskau!), the Requiem, the Mass for double choir and the Oratorio In Terra Pax, the 2nd piano concerto.

It is a pity but I never heard Le vin herbé.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
no 34 - is by a composer who had a run in with a swan recently.

Would Resurrection (by Peter Maxwell Davies) be a legitimate guess?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 09:51:11 AM
Nah, Larry, I just had to go out!

To confirm - Mr Rinkel is right - it is the HB Gothic

and Mr Rinkel is wrong - he underrates The Gothic terribly.  ;D

BTW, Larry,  - I'm not at all upset, as from my first posting of this example I was aware of your possible reaction! ;D  But, if you'll indulge me, and speaking purely musically, I've always been genuinely interested to know your criticisms of this piece - which is certainly very far from above criticism - because as you ought ot know by now, I value your insights. I suspect it is merely a matter of standards, and that mine are set rather lower than yours...

Nonsense! I have no standards at all.  :D

Unfortunately, I haven't heard it in several years, and like a bad dinner, it's a taste I'm trying to delete from my mouth permanently. Which means to answer you, I'd have to hear it all again, and if I were to hear it all again, I'd get the Naxos, and so you see my problem.

(But if anyone wants my copy of the Marco Polo, PM me.)

I'll look at more of the clues tonight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 09:51:54 AM
Would Resurrection (by Peter Maxwell Davies) be a legitimate guess?

Wagner? Tchaikovsky? (just joking.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:56:08 AM
 ;D

Maciek, what is the Polish for "you are da man!"?  :D

Can't think of an adequate translation! Everything that comes to mind is either too plain or doesn't convey the same meaning... I'll think about it.

BTW, Luke, Nyman's Greenaway soundtracks are by far my favorites and I feel I know them pretty well but for some reason my mind was a blank on this one for very, very long... :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:18:22 AM
Could this be the post you mean?


Yes, it could indeed. We are getting somewhere now... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:19:13 AM
Would Resurrection (by Peter Maxwell Davies) be a legitimate guess?

You are on fire!  ;D

I take it my clues are a help, then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 05, 2007, 11:21:52 AM
I should pay more attention to this thread, but have been busy of late.

Luke, is your #9 Kurtag's Grabstein fur Stephan?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
Woohoo! Yes it is! Nice work.

Seeing as the list is getting completed nice and quickly now, here's an updated version to make things easier.


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:29:06 AM
Unfortunately, I haven't heard it in several years, and like a bad dinner, it's a taste I'm trying to delete from my mouth permanently. Which means to answer you, I'd have to hear it all again, and if I were to hear it all again, I'd get the Naxos, and so you see my problem.

I'm half tempted to put up a short sample of the end of the piece (including the page in my sample) just to refresh your memory! This is the part which I find uniquely impressive - the music, in these last minutes, starts to whirl out of control, oscillating ever more wildly between extremes of violent convulsion and passionate supplication, before the summatory final cadence (which encapsulates the tonal trajectory of the piece, enveloping a D major triad within an E major one before the later fades out alone). It has such conviction and so little artifice, it really strikes me as one of the most awesome moments in music.

Not sure if I'm allowed to do so, however...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 05, 2007, 11:31:06 AM
I think #30 is Janacek's Suite for Strings.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:37:01 AM
I think it is too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 12:53:48 PM
I'm half tempted to put up a short sample of the end of the piece (including the page in my sample) just to refresh your memory! This is the part which I find uniquely impressive - the music, in these last minutes, starts to whirl out of control, oscillating ever more wildly between extremes of violent convulsion and passionate supplication, before the summatory final cadence (which encapsulates the tonal trajectory of the piece, enveloping a D major triad within an E major one before the later fades out alone). It has such conviction and so little artifice, it really strikes me as one of the most awesome moments in music.

Not sure if I'm allowed to do so, however...

Sure, why not. Beats having to hear the whole thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:25:07 PM
no 25 - this is the one which is an attempt to conjure up a landscape/culture. Just look down the list of instruments and you'll find it. The composer does not come from that country, but he did work there for a while. He writes complex music, as you ought not need to be told.

Surely, you must mean no 24? The one with 2 didjeridoos. The hint doesn't work on me though - can't think of a single non-Australian's piece dedicated to Australian landscape... :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:29:03 PM
no 29 - this piece, as Larry determined, is by Balakirev or Borodin. Surely you don't need more than that!

Balakirev 1st Symphony, mvt 3 - Andante

Thank God I decided to start with Balakirev and this happened to be the 3rd track of the 1st disc I listened to - I could have been up all night doing this! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
Correct on the Balakirev. Nice piece, though, isn't it, if you like that sort of thing....?

Surely, you must mean no 24? The one with 2 didjeridoos. The hint doesn't work on me though - can't think of a single non-Australian's piece dedicated to Australian landscape... :-[

Oh, did I get the number wrong - sorry! Yes, the didj one, of course. Remember, as I've said, the composer writes complex music - and composers generally associated with the style I am trying heavy-handedly to imply are for the most part from a particular country not to far from where I am sitting now. Indeed, directly underneath me. One of them has written quite a few Australian-themed works, including this one for orchestra.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
(A shot in the dark:) Red Earth by Michael Finnissy?

Correct on the Balakirev. Nice piece, though, isn't it, if you like that sort of thing....?

Well, I generally like Balakirev, so I couldn't say "no"... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:40:55 PM
Sure, why not. Beats having to hear the whole thing.

OK, here we are. Three files, ripped at very low rate to keep them small, to follow on from each other.

The Gothic, as you know, is in two parts of three movements each, the second part being a setting of the Te Deum for massed choirs and an expanded orchestra. I mention this simply because, in my own mind, I hear another set of divisions on top of this one. Specifically, in the last movement, I sense a point where the music seems to ascend to another level of experience, as if it has pushed through a barrier by dint of sheer effort and courage ('Whoever strives with all his might, that man can we save' as the Symphony's Goethe motto has it) and attained a bizarre vision. This section, in my ears, starts with the peculiar march for massed clarinet-family, through the carefree diatonic material sung to 'la' (which includes the only place where practically everything is playing and the passionately, gravely beautiful bass solo. The whole section as I see it is rounded off by

mp3 1 - an unaccompanied double fugue for chorus in E minor - In te Domine speravi - whose opening contours (EGEB) echo those of the opening subject of the whole symphony (DFDA). This expression of faith, to my mind, closes off this level of the symphony, and opens on to another, the last one of all

mp3 2 - the 'faith' is assailed on all sides by massed brass and timps (my score example) - though even here the timps' material is based on EGEB. There are two waves of timps, the second more rigid and relentless than the first. After each wave the choir is reduced to a desparate rising 'non confundar'

mp3 3 - Several last climaxes put the seal on the symphony. In between come reminiscences of the timp EGEB, a hauntingly expressive cello cantilena which shares the augmented triad implications of so many melodies in the symphony's second part, a lone oboe.... finally, the choirs, alone, whisper 'non confundar in aeternum', their harmony summing up the symphonies main tonal dichotomy simply and beautifully - E major; E major+D major; E major.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:44:56 PM
(third Gothic file)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:46:18 PM
(A shot in the dark:) Red Earth by Michael Finnissy?

Bullseye! Only two to go, now, I think.

And they ought to be relatively simple, I think. One is very well known indeed - I suspect most members here have heard it; the other will be known by all who are interested in contemporary music, I am sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:47:35 PM
Now that you've posted them - they are already hosted (on GMG). So this should work, let me try:

Luke's 'Gothic' sample no. 1
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4095[/mp3]

no. 2
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4096[/mp3]

no. 3
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4097[/mp3]

Just don't delete the attachments from your post above, and these should work.

Oops! Something is definitely wrong with the speed here... :-[

(Just downloaded one of the files and checked that they are fine. Anyone have an idea what is going on here?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:50:39 PM
A couple of caveats -

1) the recording itself is far from ideal, although it's tough to be picky when there's only this one to choose from. But compare what you hear with what you see in the sample I gave, and you'll get a measure of this.

2) my resampling at such a low rate has done it no favours, either!

Remember that the three files are supposed to follow one after the other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 02:53:58 PM
Hey Luke - Maciek got my no.6 - Previn's cello sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:58:29 PM
OK
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:00:30 PM
That was brief! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 03:02:42 PM
I'm taking my inspiration from The Gothic this evening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for that laugh. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:29:48 PM
No. 13
This is a complete shot in the dark - I know very little of the composer's music and not this particular piece. But it's worth a try (he's the only American composer I know you've met):
John Adams - Harmonielehre??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 04:22:07 PM
No. 13
This is a complete shot in the dark - I know very little of the composer's music and not this particular piece. But it's worth a try (he's the only American composer I know you've met):
John Adams - Harmonielehre??

You're absolutely right. I've heard the piece only a couple of times, but I have a score, and there it was on page 130. Now I'm embarrassed! (But I never knew Luke had met Adams.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 04:23:08 PM
Balakirev 1st Symphony, mvt 3 - Andante

A piece I don't know at all . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:27:27 PM
It's no masterpiece but nice romantic "Russian" music nonetheless.

Thanks for reassuring me about the Adams! Luke's comments about the beard put me off a bit. Does that mean it's an old piece? A new piece? What on earth is he trying to convey? ;D Now I feel obliged to seek out a recording... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:46:43 PM
What? Can it be? I've only noticed this now: has no one yet guessed the title of Guido's Piazzolla piece (no. 8 )? Why, it's the lovely Libertango! (Or, as the spell-checker would have it: The Libertine Tango. ;D) I have a recording in a completely different arrangement - didn't know there was a piano solo version.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 05:19:23 PM
Here are the clues for my last two that still stand:

1 composer took American citizenship
1 composer is really only famous for one work (and maybe this could be said of the other too?)

So two more clues:

One composer was a mushroom connoisseur
Both composers often have religious or mystical themes to their works (though not in the specific pieces here, which perhaps throws one off the scent).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:06:48 PM
Good morning. Adams Harmonielehre is correct, as Larry has confirmed. The thing about me meeting him was not meant as a genuine clue, but it obviously functioned as one. ;D The work which stands behind this  particular page - the climax of the central movement - is Mahler 10, specifically the famous dissonant chord at its climax.


Here are the clues for my last two that still stand:

1 composer took American citizenship
1 composer is really only famous for one work (and maybe this could be said of the other too?)

So two more clues:

One composer was a mushroom connoisseur
Both composers often have religious or mystical themes to their works (though not in the specific pieces here, which perhaps throws one off the scent).


Neither of Guido's - 15 and 17, if I have been keeping score correctly - look at all like Cage, the only mushroom connoisseur I can think of among composers! (I emphasize - Cage isn't even a tentative guess here, as he has nothing remotely like these piece in his worklist)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 05, 2007, 11:15:21 PM
Don't you geeks have anything better to do?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:19:27 PM
Morning Paul! Yes, to be honest I do..... ;D What about you?

Guido - Google tells me about Vaclev Halek, though - he seems much more of a possibility. I@m going to guess that one of your examples - no 17, let's say - is a cello sonata by him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 05, 2007, 11:23:20 PM
Morning Paul! Yes, to be honest I do..... ;D What about you?

My insult is a result of my jealousy. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
Don't you geeks have anything better to do?

Of course. We could be painting pictures using a computer, for one. But as I stated earlier, this kind of mutual testing of each other's knowledge serves as an excellent way to exercise all one's awareness of musical style, history, and even typography.

How about contributing a few scores yourself, or a few guesses?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 03:31:06 AM
No sorry Maciek. More famous than that. Neither are by really obscure composers. I feel guilty as neither are that exciting! (although I like one of them very much!).

17 is the mushroom connoisseur, the European who became an american (think of when and why that might have been), Often has overtly religious themes in his music. Look at the mood of the work, and the general nature of the writing.

15 is only really famous for one work. His music often had mystical themes. Look at the meter, and harmonic language.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 03:39:50 AM
That was Luke's guess!

"mushroom connoisseur", "European who became an American", "not really obscure"

Darn, those clues are teasing! It's at the back of my head somewhere - I feel I should know who you mean, there's a bell ringing - I just can't find it... :( ::) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 03:43:32 AM
No sorry Maciek. More famous than that. Neither are by really obscure composers. I feel guilty as neither are that exciting! (although I like one of them very much!).

17 is the mushroom connoisseur, the European who became an american (think of when and why that might have been), Often has overtly religious themes in his music. Look at the mood of the work, and the general nature of the writing.

I've tended to think this one is Eastern European, but have got no further yet.

15 is only really famous for one work. His music often had mystical themes. Look at the meter, and harmonic language.

I had already looked at those, naturally, but suddenly I am veering towards Holst - is this Invocation in a piano-accompanied form?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 03:46:22 AM
OK, 17 may be by Bloch - I thought it looked a little like him, but my collection of his cello music doesn't have this piece IIRC. Google says that he was a mushroom hunter, though I had no idea about that.

I'm going to go through my various Bloch viola and violin CDs to see if this is a transcription - I recall you said one of your examples was..... bags the correct answer, though  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 06, 2007, 04:00:20 AM
Of course. We could be painting pictures using a computer, for one. But as I stated earlier, this kind of mutual testing of each other's knowledge serves as an excellent way to exercise all one's awareness of musical style, history, and even typography.

How about contributing a few scores yourself, or a few guesses?

I would if I wasn't a total philistine who doesn't own scores or understand a single line of music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 04:03:46 AM
Sorry Maciek!

But yes Luke - that is correct! This is the piece I am very fond of, despite (or because?) of it's limitations. It's a very beautiful piece and a very valuable addition to the otherwise small number of good miniatures for cello and orchestra. (Dvorak's Waldesruhe is another gem, and the Rondo is nice, and Faure's famous elegie of course, but there really are less than one would think. I'd like to commission some when I'm older! I'm very fond of John Williams' Heartwood for cello and orchestra too).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 04:04:59 AM
Correct on the Bloch too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:05:33 AM
OK, it's the Bloch Suite for Viola and Piano, in a cello arrangement.

I can't believe how stupid I was:

1) I thought it might be Bloch from quite early on but
2) I have the complete Bloch Cello + Piano music, and this isn't in it, but
3) Guido expressly said when he posted the piece that it is an arrangement from a viola work

and still I didn't make the connection.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 04:07:03 AM
Finally! See not that exciting really. But well done. I wish I had some idea about yours. I'll look through your clues again. EDIT: oh I see they're mostly solved!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:13:44 AM
OK, only one left, and they are all done. Let's pile on the clues to my no 28:

- Part of last movement of a four movement piece, itself the last of a trilogy of four movement pieces

- All three are highly descriptive, perhaps a cross between impressionism and romanticism, and fabulously orchestrated, though their purely musical value is usually seen to be lesser

- All three are very famous, though this last one slightly less so (it is also slightly harder-focused)

- The composer had dubious politics

- The second piece of the trilogy includes a famous orchestral innovation; the number 6105 is a hint
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 04:20:16 AM
Respighi!!! (Feste Romane - Roman Festivals)

Egad! That "Roman" clue of yours was so obvious! (Slapping my forehead real hard!)

I have 5 new ones ready from my limited library but I'm thinking of leaving them for the evening when Larry is also around...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:28:21 AM
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2545229/2/istockphoto_2545229_party_dog.jpg)
CORRECT!!!

To be precise, this is the imitation of a barrel-organ in the La Befana (Christmas in the Piazza Navona) movement - wonderfully achieved I think

All done!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:30:15 AM
THE COMPLETED LIST!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 04:30:52 AM
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2545229/2/istockphoto_2545229_party_dog.jpg)
CORRECT!!!

If not for the satisfaction, it was worth it for that wonderful prize. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:07:25 AM
Quote from: Maciek
If not for the satisfaction, it was worth it for that wonderful prize. ;D

What amazes me is that, while some of those pieces are ones I've heard several times (Respighi, Adams), if a page is taken out of context and I can't place it, I'm completely lost. But no excuses! On the whole, I guessed my fair share.

Don't think this is over, however. When I get home tonight, count on another dozen or so from me - and some of them harder yet!  >:D

And now for the statistics. Out of 111 actual pieces, the following number of correct guesses were made by:

Luke - 44
Moi - 27
Mark, Maciek - 15 each
Guido - 4
Edward, Novitiate - 3 each
Karl - 2
CS, Greg, and the late M Forever - 1 each (not counting 4 "reveals" from Greg).

Luke wins the grand prize - a link to the official Havergal Brian Website!
Keep up the good work, guys!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:38:54 AM
I accept that link with gratitude (though I already had it)

[po-faced mode on] I don't want to think of this as a contest, mind you - not given the number of variables. For instance, Larry set more questions than anyone else, and so was excluded from answering more than anyone else. And of course, the nature of the forum mitigates against serious competition - we are all on at different times, and so will see questions appear at different times. I know that I would have got Sean's first 7 instantly, having played all of them many times; Larry's first 6 too - but I was in France and missed the first few pages of the thread; likewise, Larry (I think) missed my giveaway clues last night, and Guido's this morning. Even things like connection speed have to be taken into consideration - there were two or three which I answered only to find that someone else beat me to it by seconds, my sluggish dial-up being partly to blame, perhaps! [/po-faced mode on]

My point being - for me, the fun is in the chase, not in competing.

Therefore, I too will be preparing some harder ones tonight, time permitting.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 05:53:57 AM
Well done, lads!

My point being - for me, the fun is in the chase, not in competing.

Likewise :-)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:58:44 AM
Come on Karl - put up some scores. You know you want to!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 06:09:16 AM
THE COMPLETED LIST!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)

completed lists are so beautiful........
it's just so disturbing that it's physically impossible to make out with one  :'(



What amazes me is that, while some of those pieces are ones I've heard several times (Respighi, Adams), if a page is taken out of context and I can't place it, I'm completely lost. But no excuses! On the whole, I guessed my fair share.

Don't think this is over, however. When I get home tonight, count on another dozen or so from me - and some of them harder yet!  >:D

And now for the statistics. Out of 111 actual pieces, the following number of correct guesses were made by:

Luke - 44
Moi - 27
Mark, Maciek - 15 each
Guido - 4
Edward, Novitiate - 3 each
Karl - 2
CS, Greg, and the late M Forever - 1 each (not counting 4 "reveals" from Greg).

Luke wins the grand prize - a link to the official Havergal Brian Website!
Keep up the good work, guys!  :D
oh, you watch, when i get older and have a huge library of scores (especially modern ones) i'm going to be up there with Luke  ;)
congratulations to Luke, btw

Maciek, i've had the same problem with sound files playing too fast before- it was when i was using a player from this one website to play music on my myspace page. I put up my Electric Guitar performance of Paganini's 16th caprice and it played it way too fast, all of the less than 2 min. of music played in about 20 seconds, repeated in a loop. The only thing I did different with it was that I converted my sound file to mp3 using an audio program (before it was wav). But if you get something from a CD (originally WAV) rip the files to your computer (as Mp3) there was no problems with the playback. You didn't use an audio program to convert it from wav to mp3, did you?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 06:21:31 AM
Come on Karl - put up some scores. You know you want to!

I might be able to see to this Saturday-ish.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 06:27:21 AM
ok, i'm putting up 10 scores next! gimme about 20-30 minutes, though
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:09:38 AM
g11-14
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 AM
g15-16
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:11:42 AM
g17-18
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:12:27 AM
g19
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:12:52 AM
g20
have fun!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 07:29:37 AM
g14 is the Scene at the Brook from L'histoire du soldat
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:29:49 AM
G13 is one of those middle-period Webern things for voice and clarinets, probably op. 15 IIRC.

G14 is from Stravinsky's L'Histoire du Soldat.

Some others look familiar but I'll have to think harder.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:31:32 AM
g20
have fun!  ;)

Don't reveal your answers too soon - make us sweat!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 07:32:48 AM
g13 is the first of the Five Canons of Webern's Opus 16
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:37:44 AM
ah, close, Larry, but i'll have to give Karl both of them (g13 and g14)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
ah, close, Larry, but i'll have to give Karl both of them (g13 and g14)

Is there actually a Scene at the Brook from Histoire? I can't remember! :D (I think it's one of my least favorite Stravinsky works.)

G12 looks like it's from near the ending of Carter's Concerto for Orchestra, though I'm not home now to check.

G16 with its looney Ferneyhough-like rhythms could be from Lemma-Icon-Epigram.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 08:04:49 AM
Is there actually a Scene at the Brook from Histoire? I can't remember! :D (I think it's one of my least favorite Stravinsky works.)

Scene ii, the soldier plays his fiddle by the brook.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:08:14 AM
Darnation - turned up too late. I’d have got the Webern and Strav….

On my dial-up these are taking ages to load, so for now….

Is 11 Cage?

I’m going to guess at Rihm for no 15

16 is Lemma-Icon-Epigram (Ferneyhough) - can tell just by those familiar first tuplets as they appear on the screen (my much cherished first-ever 'New COmplexity' score, bought in Prague)

**** this dial-up = Larry's guessed the Ferneyhough too!! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:10:33 AM
The problem seems to be Greg's you tube signature slowing the page down from loading! Spare a thought for those of us in the dark ages, Greg!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:44:15 AM
A shot in the dark on no 15 - Rihm - Ungemaltes Bild

Can't say I didn't try.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 06, 2007, 09:34:47 AM
Why the hell are you still on Dial up? Do some parts of Cambridge have the technology of rural Mongolia?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 09:36:07 AM
We're talkin' The Strip in Ulan Bator.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
Why the hell are you still on Dial up? Do some parts of Cambridge have the technology of rural Mongolia?

I'm not in Cambridge anymore, Toto.

However, even in rural Norfolk we do have broadband. Just not in my house for some reason

(Laziness)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:04:45 AM
Anyone up for more?

no 35 - an easy one, methinks
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 06, 2007, 10:06:18 AM
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4121;image)

Why would pianists want to play something that looks that awful?

Manuel.2
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:08:34 AM
No 36 - ditto

no 37 - not exactly a composition, this

More in a few minutes....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 06, 2007, 10:11:27 AM
LO35 is Britten, the closing part to Nocturnal Op.70.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 06, 2007, 10:12:07 AM
Is Camrbidge in Norfolk? i thought it was was. I couldn't actually remember if you lived in Norfolk or East Anglia, so I went with Cambridge : /
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
no 38 - composer's style quite evident, but piece harder

no 39 - easiest of the lot
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
no 40 - style very clear on this one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:26:31 AM
Is 11 Cage?

I’m going to guess at Rihm for no 15

both are close in time period/style, but it's not them


16 is Lemma-Icon-Epigram (Ferneyhough) - can tell just by those familiar first tuplets as they appear on the screen (my much cherished first-ever 'New COmplexity' score, bought in Prague)

**** this dial-up = Larry's guessed the Ferneyhough too!! ;D
yep, and Larry gets that one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 10:31:06 AM
Is it just me (limited knowledge and generally a "limited" person) or is this round much harder than the previous one? 0:)

I'll upload mine in a sec.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 10:35:15 AM
both are close in time period/style, but it's not them

yep, and Larry gets that one

What about my guess on the Carter Concerto for Orchestra?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:39:33 AM
What about my guess on the Carter Concerto for Orchestra?
nope, though i can see why you guessed that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 10:40:46 AM
Here's a modest selection
From my modest collection.
Make a guess - be my guest!
When you're done, take a rest.

(Nobel Prize, here I come! >:D)

(Guess what subject I'm covering in my thesis right now. :P)

[EDIT: I've moved the pictures to Reply #559, several posts below on this page]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 10:42:58 AM
Here are the other two.

As for clues: you know which direction to go. ;)

Greg, do put your signature on a diet!

[EDIT: pictures moved to Reply #559 - that's several posts down from here]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
no 41 - a clue makes this one easy too - I'm too kind.

no 42 - no need to say anything
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:53:17 AM
mm8- Penderecki String Quartet #1?

where's 41 and 42, Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:56:40 AM
No 43 has two composers. Either will do

No 44

No 45

No 46
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:58:10 AM
mm10- Penderecki String Trio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:02:40 AM
No 47

No 48

No 49
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:03:49 AM
Something going wrong here. I'll try again later. Maciek's scores are also loading very slowly - I've hardly seen a note of them yet... ???

Edit - my scores are all up now, though Maciek and Greg's pages are still loading much slower for some reason.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
Is Camrbidge in Norfolk? i thought it was was. I couldn't actually remember if you lived in Norfolk or East Anglia, so I went with Cambridge : /

Cambridge is a town. It is the county town of Cambridgeshire, which is named after Cambridge, which is named after a river, the Cam, and a bridge over it. Subtle, huh? I used to live there; Guido lives there at the moment.

Norfolk is a county. Its county town is Norwich. I live in Norfolk now.

Both Norfolk and Cambridgeshire are in East Anglia, which is a region.

Clear now? ;) ;) ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
LO35 is Britten, the closing part to Nocturnal Op.70.

You got it. Based on which other piece? - this page quotes it note for note.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:58:36 AM
Before Guido gets here, I'd better go for Maciek's no 9 - Chopin Cello Sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:05:03 PM
I'm grateful that 43 is so easy, Luke!  ;)

György Kurtág, Játékok
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:08:13 PM
Here are mine once again - tell me if these load quicker. If they do, I'll delete the earlier attachments. If they don't, I'll delete this post.

MM06
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM06.jpg)

MM07 Luke got this one: it's from the Piano Quintet by Juliusz Zarebski
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM07.jpg)

MM08
Greg guessed it - it's Penderecki's 1st SQ
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM08.jpg)

MM09
Yep, Luke snatched it before Guido got here (sorry, Guido, it was intended for you to guess but I was aware that Luke would be a contender... - and he's on dial-up, so he deserved it ;D). It's Chopin's Cello Sonata - the final bars.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM09.jpg)

MM10
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM10.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:09:41 PM
And it was a tease, Luke, that you did not white out one of the composers' names! -- Krisztina Takács  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:12:04 PM
mm10- Penderecki String Trio?

Nope. I'm going by the one-piece-per-composer rule. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:17:16 PM
LO 42: Harry Partch CASTOR & POLLUX
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
Could LO45 by any chance be Tom Johnson's Failing??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 12:24:33 PM
Could LO45 by any chance be Tom Johnson's Failing??

All I know is that I'm failing to recognize any of these new ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
I think Luke dug real deep this time. ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:33:41 PM
No kidding, Maciek! I'm just pleased that I lit on the Kurtág.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:45:31 PM
And it was a tease, Luke, that you did not white out one of the composers' names! -- Krisztina Takács  ;)

Had to throw you a bone.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:46:21 PM
I think Luke dug real deep this time. ::)

Not really. I've tried to choose interesting/clue-filled/individual ones - I hope they are.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
Shall I start up a new list, to be added to by the bucketload no doubt?

I may have missed some already identified...

Set by Greg 2:
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Manuel 2:
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
Manuel hasn't confirmed this one yet, but I'm fairly sure, so I'll leave it like this for now...

Set by Luke 2:
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)

Set by Maciek 2:
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Larry 2:
38 aka 41 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
I think Luke dug real deep this time. ::)

FWIW, I think 46, 47 and 49 are the hardest of mine; the others are guessable or findable, I think, but these ones will probably need clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:55:19 PM
45 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)

So I guess it's not Failing, eh? :-\

Oh, and Luke, I've moved all of mine here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087).

BTW, I'm not criticizing you (or Greg, or myself ;D)! I like the difficult ones - it gives are equal chances when everyone has to guess. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:00:20 PM
OK, I'll deal with it. [that was before your edit - I meant I'll deal with the new link!]

In the meantime, your no 7 is Zarebski's Piano Quintet, I believe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 01:00:57 PM
 :D That one was for you especially! 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
Sorry I didn't get it straight away - I'm beginning to assume I won't know things, so not looking properly. That'll teach me! (Also spending too long getting my scores up, and the post of links above)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
So I guess it's not Failing, eh? :-\

No it's not, but it is a piece by a composer one of whose pieces has already been used on this thread, though not by me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 01:07:48 PM
Mine are clearly too easy. :P ;D But I'm not complaining. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:10:42 PM
Is your first one one of the Schnittke Quartets, by any chance? Print style and canonic nature tend to make my thoughts go that way....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 01:13:09 PM
In a way, that is a bit close - though if I told you the connection I see, you'd probably laugh in my face. (Ask me when it's finally guessed.)

But no, it's not Schnittke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 02:15:28 PM
Greg 18 - Shostakovich Violin Concerto 1, third movement passacaglia
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 02:29:12 PM
No, no, no, NO! This can't be! How could I have missed my FAVORITE movement of my FAVORITE violin concerto! ARGH!!!!!! :( :( :(

(walks away, tearing at his own hair)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 02:41:43 PM
Greg 18 - Shostakovich Violin Concerto 1, third movement passacaglia
No, no, no, NO! This can't be! How could I have missed my FAVORITE movement of my FAVORITE violin concerto! ARGH!!!!!! :( :( :(

(walks away, tearing at his own hair)
awwwwwwww too sad  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:34:38 PM
A few more to tide you over before the weekend onslaught:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:35:20 PM
Only two more for now:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
42 is [towards] the end of the Credo from Machaut's Mass - and it never fails too amaze, does it?

As for your others.....more thought required!  ??? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
44 - well, maybe this is a trick question, but Beethoven's op 100 is a duet called Merkenstein, so I'll opt for that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 03:50:18 AM
42 is [towards] the end of the Credo from Machaut's Mass - and it never fails too amaze, does it?

As for your others.....more thought required!  ??? ???

Machaut Mass correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 03:51:02 AM
44 - well, maybe this is a trick question, but Beethoven's op 100 is a duet called Merkenstein, so I'll opt for that.

It has my nomination for the single silliest thing Beethoven ever wrote.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 03:57:09 AM
42 is [towards] the end of the Credo from Machaut's Mass - and it never fails too amaze, does it?

As for your others.....more thought required!  ??? ???

It may help to get the tempo for 41: Adagio, 8/8, quaver/eighth = 54-60.

The tempo for the other is blazingly fast.

Both are by American composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 05:51:02 AM
Will it be any sort of clue if I mention that my remaining two are by 20th century Polish composers? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2007, 05:54:36 AM
That was unexpected!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 06:29:16 AM
Will it be any sort of clue if I mention that my remaining two are by 20th century Polish composers? ;D

No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 01:49:08 PM
OK then. Here's another one: they are both still alive now, in the 21st century.

One of them lives abroad (outside Poland).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 02:16:53 PM
Manuel 2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On (North American Ballads). The specifics of that improvisation, and other details, suggest Rzewski strongly, but I needed to do a little searching through my box set.... (Google helped, too, to be honest)

If I'm right, that's two Rzewski pieces so far, maybe more to come....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on September 07, 2007, 02:19:01 PM
Will it be any sort of clue if I mention that my remaining two are by 20th century Polish composers? ;D

Exceptionally helpful, thx ........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 02:40:54 PM
OK, D Minor, here's one more, especially for you. And if this doesn't help you, I don't know what will:

1 of the pieces is for string quartet, 1 of the pieces is for string trio

 :P

 ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 03:07:39 PM
I can't seem to load the picture of no 10, and I can't remember it at all, so this is merely a semi-educated guess: Krzysztof Meyer's String Trio? He's alive, and he's Polish, and he lives abroad, and he's written a String Trio, and you've talked about him....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
He, he, he. I knew pointing out that it's for a string trio would get you guys going. ;D

In a way, Luke, you're getting warmer...

So here are 2 more hints: the piece for string trio is not entitled String Trio. And it is not by Krzysztof Meyer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 03:20:47 PM
Is anyone trying mine? I have to say, I expected some of them - 36, 39, 40 and 41 to go very quickly. Look at them closely, guys!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:06:40 PM
Is anyone trying mine? I have to say, I expected some of them - 36, 39, 40 and 41 to go very quickly. Look at them closely, guys!

Believe me, I'm trying, but the only ones I'm finding easy are mine (including the two unguessed ones).  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 04:14:34 PM
Yep, mine unguessed ones are real easy too. :P ;) Especially the second one - it's by (warning: hint ahead) a really, really, really "famous" composer. One that has been featured on this thread before too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:18:01 PM
With the ones I just mentioned of mine, (except the graphic score which is the locus classicus of its type), I think looking at the instrumentation carefully would be a big help; also the type of textures to which it is put. 40 and 41 are very idiomatic indeed; 36 less so, but it is an extremely well-known piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:23:05 PM
With the ones I just mentioned of mine, (except the graphic score which is the locus classicus of its type), I think looking at the instrumentation carefully would be a big help; also the type of textures to which it is put. 40 and 41 are very idiomatic indeed; 36 less so, but it is an extremely well-known piece

Luke 36 looks so close to Boulez's Rituel in Memoriam Bruno Maderna, except that the typography looks more like an autograph score than the engraved one I have. But if it's not Rituel, it's its twin brother!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:25:27 PM
Luke 36 looks so close to Boulez's Rituel in Memoriam Bruno Maderna, except that the typography looks more like an autograph score than the engraved one I have. But if it's not Rituel, it's its twin brother!

There you go - told you it was quite a simple one! One more to Larry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:27:36 PM
There you go - told you it was quite a simple one! One more to Larry.

Yeah, I get the simple ones!  :P

But how did you get that score? what page number is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
I downloaded it from a friend who has the finest score collection I know of (at least in certain directions - he doesn't have any of the central repertoire, but what he does have outside it takes your breath away). It is page 21, IIRC, but that includes title page, orchestral layout page etc. etc.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 05:04:47 PM
I downloaded it from a friend who has the finest score collection I know of (at least in certain directions - he doesn't have any of the central repertoire, but what he does have outside it takes your breath away). It is page 21, IIRC, but that includes title page, orchestral layout page etc. etc.

Part of what threw me at first was that your score looks handwritten, and the page numbers don't match mine. The engraved UE 15 941 has this music mostly on page 19, but there are discrepancies - e.g., what is a 6/8 measure for the oboe in group I is 6/4 in the UE score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 10:39:17 PM
Just checked - the page in question is number 21 of the scanned pages my friend sent me, which includes title pages etc., but as far as numbered pages go, it is number 17. The score itself is a UE score, though - obviously a different edition of the piece than yours, however. The bottom of the first page of music gives the date 1975, and the UE number 15941 LW. Apart from the music itself, most of the score - title, introductory notes etc. - is in the easily identifiable UE typeface
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 04:02:13 AM
First a question - normally it would be addressed to Sean as the thread starter. But now that he has bailed out, it's left to the other users of this topic: don't you feel that perhaps this should be moved to the "Composing and Performing" section of the Music Room? Scores are, in a way, "technical" and less "general" than most other subjects started in the "General Classical Music Discussion" section. Somehow I feel this thread fits the general atmosphere of "Composing and Performing" better (besides - that's one of the smallest sections on GMG, it's always good to throw in another topic ;D). Also, the "Composing and Performing" section is much "slower" - so it would be always easy to find this topic (it wouldn't get "buried" by others easily). Please let me know your thoughts on this.

And now for some additional clues to mine:

while recording another piece by one of the composers, a certain soprano decided to take cash instead of royalties, and in effect missed out on a substantial income

one of the pieces is a part of a 3-part cycle; each part of that cycle is for an entirely different set of instruments

the composer of one of the pieces has written at least 11 other pieces of a similar kind

one of the pieces received an accolade at the UNESCO Rostrum

one of the pieces has a generic title

one of the pieces is not representative of the composer's current style
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:08:58 AM
no 38 - composer's style quite evident, but piece harder

no 39 - easiest of the lot

Desperate guesses by this point:

38 Ravel?
39 Cage?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:12:58 AM
First a question - normally it would be addressed to Sean as the thread starter. But now that he has bailed out, it's left to the other users of this topic: don't you feel that perhaps this should be moved to the "Composing and Performing" section of the Music Room? Scores are, in a way, "technical" and less "general" than most other subjects started in the "General Classical Music Discussion" section. Somehow I feel this thread fits the general atmosphere of "Composing and Performing" better (besides - that's one of the smallest sections on GMG, it's always good to throw in another topic ;D). Also, the "Composing and Performing" section is much "slower" - so it would be always easy to find this topic (it wouldn't get "buried" by others easily). Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Not important to me either way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:44:52 AM
Desperate guesses by this point:

38 Ravel?
39 Cage?

Neither, I'm afraid. But I know you can get both. 38 is an extremely dense, almost overloaded score, typical of this composer; the language set ought to help very much. Though the song itself is rather obscure, once you know the composer an internet search ought to find it - after all, that's where I got the score myself

39, as I said, is a page from the graphic score to end all graphic scores - the most famous and notorious, I think. It's composer - a controversial figure to say the least - was at the time earning his keep as a graphic designer, which perhaps shows in the score, which is a thing of beauty throughout its many pages (this one is page 183). A clue which will really help you - my father used to be a colleague of this composer's partner (though the composer himself is now dead, which is another story)

I am still positive that 40 and 41 are easily findable. In 40, it is not just the instruments but the way they are juxtaposed which is (in my experience) unique to this composer.

In 41, the music is stylistically extremely typical, but more than that, the instrumentation contains a big clue (you have to look carefully)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:58:00 AM

And now for some additional clues to mine:

while recording another piece by one of the composers, a certain soprano decided to take cash instead of royalties, and in effect missed out on a substantial income

one of the pieces is a part of a 3-part cycle; each part of that cycle is for an entirely different set of instruments

the composer of one of the pieces has written at least 11 other pieces of a similar kind

one of the pieces received an accolade at the UNESCO Rostrum

one of the pieces has a generic title

one of the pieces is not representative of the composer's current style

OK, so we're saying one of them is Gorecki, are we? Following your generous clues a little......

Genesis I for string trio - the first of a cycle of three pieces, each for a different group of instruments. And it isn't representative of the composer's current style.

And the UNESCO thing must have a generic title - String Quartet, then! - and goes with the 11 other string quartets thing....this one is Meyer (you are right, I was getting warm before!). His 11th Quartet is his op 95, and two of his quartets have represented Poland at the Unesco rostrum.....so, this must be either String Quartet 2 or 3

I'm guessing no 2; if it's wrong, can we take my guess at no 3 as read?  ;D  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
Neither, I'm afraid. But I know you can get both. 38 is an extremely dense, almost overloaded score, typical of this composer; the language set ought to help very much. Though the song itself is rather obscure, once you know the composer an internet search ought to find it - after all, that's where I got the score myself

Unfortunately the image is so hard to read I can't even make out the language for sure. I see the word "nostro" at one point, but then I see "zvon," so it can't be Italian.

Maybe it will come to me. After all, I got some others in time.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:01:16 AM
(As you can tell by now, I've decided not to be coy about using Google any more, as I was before with Larry's famous no 20, the first one I used it for! As these questions get harder, we need all the help we can get!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:04:10 AM
Unfortunately the image is so hard to read I can't even make out the language for sure. I see the word "nostro" at one point, but then I see "zvon," so it can't be Italian.

Maybe it will come to me. After all, I got some others in time.

I suppose it is easier if you know what language it is already! But your instincts are good - it is a Romance language, but not one of the more obvious ones. Personally, I think it is clearest on the last line.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:06:43 AM
Luke, you should be a detective (or did I give too many clues in one go?)! Yes, the one for trio is Henryk Mikolaj Gorecki's Genesis I (Elementi per tre archi). And yes, the other one is a String Quartet by Krzysztof Meyer. And, yes, it is the String Quartet No....... 3. :P

As for the connection between Schnittke and Meyer: 2 Slavic composers with German surnames. ;D ;D I'm sure you can appreciate the humor. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:10:10 AM
Luke, you should be a detective (or did I give too many clues in one go?)!

No, I think you gave just the right number  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:16:41 AM
I suppose it is easier if you know what language it is already! But your instincts are good - it is a Romance language, but not one of the more obvious ones. Personally, I think it is clearest on the last line.

(More desperate yet:)
Romanian? Enescu?

Earle Brown for your graphic notation?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:19:32 AM
(More desperate yet:)
Romanian? Enescu?

Yes! The score isn't in IMSLP, though they do have drool-worthy amounts of Enescu. However, it is online (JPEGs of each page) somewhere... the scanned copy belongs to contemporary Romanian composer Iancu Dumitrescu, which fact may well help if you wish to search for it.

Earle Brown for your graphic notation?

No, this composer is more controversial. Also, remember my slight familial connection - blatant clue as to nationality!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:23:59 AM
Yes! The score isn't in IMSLP, but it is online somewhere...

No, this composer is more controversial. Also, remember my slight familial connection - blatant clue as to nationality!

Dutch, then. So I need a deceased Dutch composer who was also a graphic designer. I have no idea!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:26:38 AM
Dutch, then. So I need a deceased Dutch composer who was also a graphic designer. I have no idea!

Sorry - needlessly sent you down a blind alley. My father has lived in Britain since he was 9
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:27:11 AM
I've been looking through Enescu scores available on-line for the past 20 minutes or so (therefore missing out on the discussion a bit) and it seems that the only vocal piece he's ever written to a Romanian text was "Eu ma duc, codrul ramane"...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:34:33 AM
RE the graphic score: Cornelius Cardew ??? ???

Throwing in a guess at the title: Treatise?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:35:29 AM
Re the Enescu - Seems, perhaps, but isn't. That one isn't that song. However, he set the text in a Romanian translation (by Emanoil Ciomac) of a poem by (French poet) Fernand Gregh. I have no idea if this is a give-away clue or not. If it isn't, I'd follow the Dumitrescu line of investigation instead. I've just found the score again myself by following links...

Re the other - yes, Cardew is right, so the piece is.........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:40:09 AM
Enescu has got to be one of the Quatre Mélodies op.19? I'll try to narrow it down to one song... ::)

Cardew title - I've added my guess above.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:42:06 AM
Enescu has got to be one of the Quatre Mélodies op.19? I'll try to narrow it down to one song... ::)

I don't know - the score doesn't say so. You are three or four clicks away if you plump Dumitrescu into Google.

Cardew title - I've added my guess above.

I already had the list updated ready to post - I knew it wouldn't be hard once you had the name!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:44:30 AM
And here, moved to a more convenient place, is the list as it currently stands:
MYSTERY SCORES ROUND TWO
Set by Greg 2:
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Manuel 2:
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)

Set by Luke 2:
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)

Set by Maciek 2:
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Larry 2:
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:50:22 AM
I'm guessing it's De la flûte au cor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 06:04:43 AM
Sorry - needlessly sent you down a blind alley. My father has lived in Britain since he was 9

That does make a difference!  :D

More clues for mine:
One is by a composer whose work was admired by Stravinsky, who was close friends in his youth with a famous American composer-conductor who recorded this piece at the start of his career, and who gradually gave up on his composing because he was unwilling to adopt a 12-tone idiom.

The other is by a composer who is a year younger than I, who was a freshman composition major at the same midwestern American conservatory where I was a sophomore. I, however, gave up on composition while he became a fairly well-known name.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 07:40:23 AM
I'm guessing it's De la flûte au cor.

No. You were right before ( I had to check in Noel Malcolm's book for clarification) - I think this is from op 19, in translation, though it's hard to be sure. You just have to guess which one of the three (not four - De la flute au cor got into the modern edition by mistake apparently) it is. Or to know the answer, obviously.... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 10:57:34 AM
It was included into op. 19 10 years after the composers death but the Enescu Society lists that as a completely legitimate edition.

Here's another shot (your internet search clues don't seem to be working for me, and this is apparently a very rare score ::)):
Le Silence musicien?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
It was included into op. 19 10 years after the composers death but the Enescu Society lists that as a completely legitimate edition.

Apparently it was composed 13/14 years earlier than the other 3; Malcolm calls its inclusion in the 1965 and 67 editions a mistake, and the work's title Trois Melodies sur Poemes de Fernand Gregh had to be altered to Quatre Melodies.... It sounds as if the edition itself is legitimate - these are four songs setting Gregh's words - but the inclusion of an earlier one under an opus number set aside for later ones isn't authentic, because if Enescu had wanted it included he could have done so. In addition, according to Malcolm the style of of the three later songs is something new for the composer, and for this reason too the earlier one does not belong.

Here's another shot (your internet search clues don't seem to be working for me, and this is apparently a very rare score ::)):
Le Silence musicien?

I think so, yes. The site I downloaded it from (here (http://www.geocities.com/romanianscores/enesculied1.html) is the score) translates the title as Quiet Song; the Romanian title is Cînt Tăcut. These look close enough for me to assume you have the right answer, though there is no opus number on the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
Thanks for the link - can't imagine how you found it. ;D

The title of the page is "Quiet Song" (in English), so I guess that could very well be (a pretty rough) French to Romanian to English translation of "Le Silence musicien". We could ask Florestan to tell us the details - but I'm not sure if understanding the text will help (since it seems Gregh's French poems are nowhere to be found on-line)... And I for one am not that curious about this. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 12:30:16 PM
Nor am I! - you now know as much as I do about the song, and I suppose that is all we could ask for the purposes of the quiz!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:24:58 PM
I get the feeling I ought to chip in with a few more clues to my remaining questions

37 - this is not, in itself, AFAIK, a composition, though it looks like one and could function as one. It contains three long and complex musical lines which form the basis for a much larger set of compositions. This method of composing is typical of this composer.

38 - I'm sure I've said all that needs to be said about this one: the instruments, the character of what they play, and their juxtapositions are completely characteristic of this composer and of no-one else that I can think of offhand

41 - ditto this one. I am reluctant to give more clues than the one I have: look carefully at the instruments

44 - instrument; country; character of melodic lines; possible composers reduce to a very small number

45 - we've had compositions by this composer posted already on this thread, though nothing like this piece. The name of the work is included in the text on this page.

46 - this is quite a hard one

47 - this one is almost impossible, I freely admit, so here are lots of clues. The composer is my old fugue teacher; he used to turn up to supervisions looking bedraggled in suspiciously stained concert-clothes from the previous night; he became a member of GMG's last incarnation for one post; he is an exceptional pianist specialising in the complex end of the contemporary repertoire (Ferneyhough, Finnissy, DIllon etc. etc.); he is also a Sorabji specialist who has performed Opus Clavicembalisticum five times (according to his Wiki page); he is an expert on Russian futurist composers of the Mosolov/Roslavetz type.  This piece is a song which I downloaded from the BMIC, and though I don't think the score is still there, I imagine the piece is still catalogued on their web site.

48 - an extraordinary piece, I could have chosen dozens more instantly recognisable, visually impressive pages. However, this page includes one of the most unbelievable sections of the score, in the exposed music written for the highlighted soloist at this point - solo starts at number 420, and is written at pitch! :o If you've heard this piece, you will probably remember this bit.

49 - written (obviously) by a Japanese composer (also an exceptional pianist). In the 60s he lived and worked in Europe, taking a very active and important part in the Western contemporary music scene. Among other things he was the dedicatee and first performer of Xenakis's first great piece for solo piano. However, he returned to Japan with the wish to make his music more relevant to his own culture; though not always superficially Japanese sounding (as e.g Takemitsu), his music is profoundly Japanese in spirit. Many of his scores are downloadable at his website, where you can find this piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:41:37 PM
46 - this is quite a hard one
Well, with a clue like that, you bet it is! :P

Quote
47 - this one is almost impossible, I freely admit, so here are lots of clues. The composer is my old fugue teacher; he used to turn up to supervisions looking bedraggled in suspiciously stained concert-clothes from the previous night; he became a member of GMG's last incarnation for one post; he is an exceptional pianist specialising in the complex end of the contemporary repertoire (Ferneyhough, Finnissy, DIllon etc. etc.); he is also a Sorabji specialist who has performed Opus Clavicembalisticum five times (according to his Wiki page); he is an expert on Russian futurist composers of the Mosolov/Roslavetz type.  This piece is a song which I downloaded from the BMIC, and though I don't think the score is still there, I imagine the piece is still catalogued on their web site.

Do you really think we need all those clues for an easy one like that? :P The answer is glaringly obvious. This is page one of Serebryaniy vek (The Silver Age), a composition for soprano and piano from 1996 by Jonathan Powell.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:51:59 PM
Well, with a clue like that, you bet it is! :P

What, you want more? Greedy so-and-so. OK. You have mentioned the composer's name in this thread. But he isn't Polish!

Do you really think we need all those clues for an easy one like that? :P The answer is glaringly obvious. This is page one of Serebryaniy vek (The Silver Age), a composition for soprano and piano from 1996 by Jonathan Powell.

 ;D  ;D  Not everyone knows their stuff like you, though, Maciek. We have to give them a chance too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:55:36 PM
49 - I liked the clues for this one. Plain and simple. Thanks for pointing out the title which I of course missed (the picture really pulls too much of one's attention). The answer is: Yuji Takahashi - Sa
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
;D  ;D  Not everyone knows their stuff like you, though, Maciek. We have to give them a chance too.

I just have my Highlights of the History of GMG memorized. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
49 - I liked the clues for this one. Plain and simple. Thanks for pointing out the title which I of course missed (the picture really pulls too much of one's attention). The answer is: Yuji Takahashi - Sa

That's OK - I didn't think the title on its own was much help, so I left it in. Those clues made it pretty easy, didn't they!? I think at this point my contributions to this thread are just going to turn into links to downloadable scores! Takahashi's page has some gems, as does the BMIC one which you know.

I just have my 'Highlights' of the History of GMG memorized. ;D

Just checking you've been paying attention.

(Not sure I like your ironic ' 's there!  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:03:52 PM
Now how about the ones where I didn't lead you by the hand right to the correct website?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
You have mentioned the composer's name in this thread. But he isn't Polish!

A foreign composer's name in my mouth? Impossible! I would never stoop to that level!

(Not sure I like your ironic ' 's there!  ;D )

You're right, as a mod I should never be ironic towards this great forum. I shall remove those ' 's at once!

Now how about the ones where I didn't lead you by the hand right to the correct website?  ;D ;)

Just give me a sec.

Or a day.

Or two. ;D

(Right now I'm going through all my previous posts, striving to remove every mention of a foreign-sounding name that I can find...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:14:09 PM
So far, I've come to the conclusion that no. 46 in neither Berlioz nor Nyman. ;D Will report subsequent findings.

EDIT: Something tells me it isn't Previn either...

EDIT2: I have a sneaking suspicion you might have flaunted at us an excerpt from VeggieTales - Sumo of the Opera (http://www.epinions.com/content_156372536964)...

EDIT3: On a hunch, I'm also ruling Prokofiev, Rachmaninov, and De Falla out! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
I honestly don't understand why 40 and (especially) 41 are proving so hard.   ??? I'm starting to doubt myself here... Give up on 46 for now and try again on those two will you, to restore my faith.

You're right, though, 46 is neither Berlioz, nor Nyman, nor Havergal Brian (I'll give you that for free)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:22:37 PM
nor Havergal Brian (I'll give you that for free)

 >:(
(quickly deletes triumphant post he had just finished writing...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:23:55 PM
LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
Simple question: does the surname of the composer of no. 46 contain the letter "c"?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:30:38 PM
Sort of
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:32:42 PM
You mean it's a different letter (but similar sound??), or do you mean that it's capitalized (as in Cage ;D)?

(Or maybe it contains an unusually pronounced "c"?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:36:39 PM
None of the above
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
Luke, don't suppose your #46 is Schnittke's Quasi una sonata, is it?

There's some passages with semi-indefinite violin pitch and similar piano figurations in it, though I certainly don't recognize this particular passage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
OK, so it's got to be Schnittke.

(Darn, Edward beat me to it!)

And yes, it is his 2nd Violin Sonata - I just found it in the score...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 02:46:16 PM
OK, so it's got to be Schnittke.

(Darn, Larry beat me to it!)

I did?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:48:29 PM
Sorry, just automatically assumed it was you, even before the avatar loaded (I don't even look at the names anymore...). :-[

Logging off now, with a feeling of utter defeat and embarrassment.

See you all on Monday! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 02:49:14 PM
Believe me, I've just about lost confidence in my ability to identify anything.

And yet no one has identified two of mine  . . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:58:01 PM
Larry, is one of yours (I forget which number, the one which leads up to the double bar) Christopher Rouse, Phaethon?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:02:45 PM
Oh, and Edward - yes, of course you are right about the Schnittke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:03:17 PM
And #45 is Rzewski's Coming Together. (I initially thought it was a Tom Johnson piece but then saw the text.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:04:30 PM
Yep. As I said, the title is staring you in the face! That's three pieces of Rzewski so far on this thread....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:07:18 PM
This is great - they're falling thick and fast now! Only five left. Funny how 40 and 41 remain - I am genuinely confused.  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:16:01 PM
Larry, is one of yours (I forget which number, the one which leads up to the double bar) Christopher Rouse, Phaethon?

Right composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
This is great - they're falling thick and fast now! Only five left. Funny how 40 and 41 remain - I am genuinely confused.  ???

You're not the only one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:18:58 PM
If I could think of someone who uses diatonic quasi-baroque writing for harpsichord followed by unison outbursts for the rest of the ensemble, with Russian footnotes, I'd nail it. Ultskovskaya (sp?)

If I could think of a sort of what could be a violin concerto using a Theremin, I'd nail the other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
Well, you describe the Russian one pretty well, I can't really add to it. Ustvolskaya is wrong (the pieces I know of her are much starker and less referential) but not wildly so.

The other one is a chamber piece. At least you've seen the theremin, though. There aren't that many chamber pieces by major composers which include it (and this is one)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:25:26 PM
Oh, lord. It's not Part's Collage sur BACH is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
No, it's not. But you know it. You've talked about it (or the series it belongs to) pretty recently.

Larry - is the Rouse Gorgon? The orchestra seems right....I was trying to be clever before, following what I thought was a clue with your 'blazing' (hence Phaethon)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
No, it's not. But you know it. You've talked about it (or the series it belongs to) pretty recently.

Larry - is the Rouse Gorgon? The orchestra seems right....I was trying to be clever before, following what I thought was a clue with your 'blazing' (hence Phaethon)
Oh, duh. It's Kancheli's 5th symphony, right?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:30:24 PM
Yes it is. Obvious now, isn't it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:31:28 PM
Yes it is. Obvious now, isn't it!
Yeah, I did initially think of Kancheli, but couldn't remember anything of his that began with a harpsichord passage. Brain fart there, I think!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:34:49 PM
Well, you describe the Russian one pretty well, I can't really add to it. Ustvolskaya is wrong

I thought so, but I can't think of anything else.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
41 is Martinu's Fantasie for theremin, oboe, piano and str4tet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
Again, obvious in retrospect, isn't it? Works for oboe, theremin, piano and quartet are a fairly limited category.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
Yes it is. Obvious now, isn't it!

I don't know Kancheli's work. The Rouse piece is Gorgon. I thought of quoting the passage where he has 3 Mahler-style hammers slamming the downbeat all at once, but the ending is extreme enough (that poor timpanist gets a workout). Rouse was a freshman at Oberlin while I was a sophomore.

I'm genuinely surprised me other piece isn't getting identified. I thought it would be easy, especially with my excellent clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
I don't know Kancheli's work. The Rouse piece is Gorgon. I thought of quoting the passage where he has 3 Mahler-style hammers slamming the downbeat all at once, but the ending is extreme enough (that poor timpanist gets a workout). Rouse was a freshman at Oberlin while I was a sophomore.

That's how I got it... I was sitting here, and suddenly the word Oberlin popped into my head!

I'm genuinely surprised me other piece isn't getting identified. I thought it would be easy, especially with my excellent clues.

I thought I knew it, or something like it...but it isn't what I thought it was, not at all. I'm sure I'll groan when it is revealed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:44:52 PM
Again, obvious in retrospect, isn't it? Works for oboe, theremin, piano and quartet are a fairly limited category.
Yeah, I didn't spot the theremin initially, though my once-over of the score made me think Martinu (his style is pretty darn distinctive).

I really don't have much of a clue over the rest: though the scoring in #48 looks very Rihmian, I don't recognize the handwriting.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:47:16 PM
Yeah, I didn't spot the theremin initially, though my once-over of the score made me think Martinu (his style is pretty darn distinctive).

I really don't have much of a clue over the rest: though the scoring in #48 looks very Rihmian, I don't recognize the handwriting.

I can't let that go, if you don't recognise the handwriting and still think it is Rihm from the scoring, I am deeply impressed.  :o   It is Rihm...one of his better known pieces. Try to call that solo to mind.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
I can't let that go, if you don't recognise the handwriting and still think it is Rihm from the scoring, I am deeply impressed.  :o   It is Rihm...one of his better known pieces. Try to call that solo to mind.
I'll play stab in the dark, since you say better known, I'll guess Jagden und Formen?

I always think of this sort of harp-against-trumpet-and-trombone writing as very typical of the composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:57:04 PM
Spot on, Edward!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:05:15 PM
That's how I got it... I was sitting here, and suddenly the word Oberlin popped into my head!

I thought I knew it, or something like it...but it isn't what I thought it was, not at all. I'm sure I'll groan when it is revealed!

Maybe it would help it you heard some of it (and then think of what will happen if it's what you thought originally). The audio excerpt doesn't match the score print 100%; it starts a couple of bars in and goes on for another few measures past my score print.

It is an excerpt from one of my very favorite pieces of American music, a work that was truly celebrated for a while but is largely forgotten today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:05:53 PM
I'm beginning to think (on the basis of the clues) that Larry's remaining one is David Diamond. I'm assuming one of the Symphonies....could be no 4.....or, no, hang on - Music for Romeo and Juliet (Juliet and her Nurse)? Something like that.

edit - now let me go and listen to that sample I've just seen!

second edit - OK, it isn't one of those, but it still might be Diamond. I really don't know what at the moment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:07:26 PM
Luke, are #37 the melodic formulas for Stockhausen's Licht cycle?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:09:48 PM
You're too good at this! How did you get it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
Where is Takahashi's website? googling has produced no results.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
I'm beginning to think (on the basis of the clues) that Larry's remaining one is David Diamond. I'm assuming one of the Symphonies....could be no 4.....or, no, hang on - Music for Romeo and Juliet (Juliet and her Nurse)? Something like that.

edit - now let me go and listen to that sample I've just seen!

second edit - OK, it isn't one of those, but it still might be Diamond. I really don't know what at the moment.

The piece is truly a gem, but it's not by Diamond.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:14:12 PM
Something was bugging me about it--I was pretty sure I'd seen the handwriting before, and then I looked at the date at the bottom of the score. BAM! Early in the writing of Licht, and then it fell into place: the nature of the melodic lines was exactly right and the exceptional level of specified detail in the score was typical of Stockhausen (and of course there are three melodic formulae, one each for Eve, Michael and Lucifer).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:14:42 PM
Edward - impressive stuff. You are right about the peculiar detail in these formulas, and how important even the smallest thing becomes when magnified up. I'm still utterly bowled over by Inori, one of the classic examples of this formula technique, years after Al kindly introduced lots of us to it.

Larry - OK, I'll rethink. A pity - he seemed to fit your clues so well!

Guido, I will have to look for the Takahashi site - IIRC it was hard to find the second time I wanted it. In the meantime, the link that leads to the Enescu song also leads to this page (http://www.geocities.com/romanianscores/bartokvcl1.html), which may be up your alley.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:19:22 PM
Guido - much easier to refind than I thought (or maybe my searching techniques have improved). Here's the page of Takahashi scores (http://www.suigyu.com/yuji/en-works.html); there may be other useful pages linked from here, I can't remember.

Ooh, some new things since I looked last - yummy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:26:26 PM
Maybe it would help it you heard some of it (and then think of what will happen if it's what you thought originally). The audio excerpt doesn't match the score print 100%; it starts a couple of bars in and goes on for another few measures past my score print.

It is an excerpt from one of my very favorite pieces of American music, a work that was truly celebrated for a while but is largely forgotten today.

I should modify this to say the piece was also championed by another well-known composer-conductor who especially (as I do) admired this slow movement. Copland also admired this composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:27:04 PM
Thanks Luke. I havent heard of that Bartok before - it looks very interesting.

(I adore the First Rhapsody arranged for cello and piano and naturally think it sounds much better than the violin/piano version. actually I have an extraordinary recording of it for cello and orchestra played by Arto Noras, who I think is really one of the cello giants, but is oddly unknown outised of Scandinavia. Some of the most startlingly beautiful and virtuosic playing I've ever heard, even although the piece is far from the most difficult cello piece.)

Massive digression aside, that Bartok is some of the weirdest typesetting I have ever seen. It looks like its been done on paint!

I'll check out the Takahashi link.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:28:07 PM
I know it! Harold Shapero Symphony for Classical orchestra!

I'll have to listen again - It never really grabbed me, despite the praise that Previn heaped on it ('the most beautiful slow movement of any American symphony') - always seemed a little conventional to me. I wonder if my ears have changed in the last 12 months! (I would hope that they had!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
Arto Noras, who I think is really one of the cello giants, but is oddly unknown outised of Scandinavia.
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this guy greatly underrated.

I'm officially giving up on #44. My knowledge of organ music isn't that good, though it looks French.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:35:41 PM
Guido, these pieces aren't Bartok, but folksongs from his collection, arranged (much as he would have done) by Ana-Maria Avram, a Romanian composer of some pretty extraordinary works. I have quite a few pieces of her - she tends to share discs with Dumitrescu - and they are nothing like this. The notation here is odd-looking, I agree, but I think some of that might be deliberate. Certainly in other ways she seems to be trying to capture the flexibility of these songs, and it's possible that the peculiar notation is in part expressive of that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:36:49 PM
Nice one on the Shapero, if you are right (I'm sure you are). I'd never have got that one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:38:37 PM
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this guy greatly underrated.

I'm officially giving up on #44. My knowledge of organ music isn't that good, though it looks French.

Yes, it is. One of the great French organ composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
Just to go off-topic a bit, anyone interested in weird things being done with folksongs from Bartok's collection might enjoy Horatiu Radulescu's piano concerto The Quest, possibly available cheaply from cpo. I think it's a fascinating piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:41:22 PM
***Completely off topic***

I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this guy greatly underrated.

I would go so far as to say that I think his playing is touched with genius. He's commissioned many magnificent Scandinavian concertos (most importantly the Sallinen IMO). Another one is Erling Blondal-Bengtsson - an astonishing player (Koppel cello concerto - one of the most amazing recordings I own, and also it's one of those pieces where one is staggered that it is not in the standard repertoire - though I suspect it is the very high level of difficulty of the solo part.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:42:38 PM
Just to go off-topic a bit, anyone interested in weird things being done with folksongs from Bartok's collection might enjoy Horatiu Radulescu's piano concerto The Quest, possibly available cheaply from cpo. I think it's a fascinating piece.

Coincidence - was listening to that, and to the CPO disc of Radulescu piano sonatas 2, 3 and 4 (similar and related pieces), just yesterday. And to my mind, there is a common thread between these pieces and that Stockhausen masterpiece Inori that I mentioned a few posts up!

Funnily enough, certain things in the music I am writing at the moment remind me, in their insignificant way, of aspects of Inori, and of Radulescu, and of Takahashi, amongst others. But that says more about the direction my music is taking than anything else, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:55:49 PM
I know it! Harold Shapero Symphony for Classical orchestra!

I'll have to listen again - It never really grabbed me, despite the praise that Previn heaped on it ('the most beautiful slow movement of any American symphony') - always seemed a little conventional to me. I wonder if my ears have changed in the last 12 months! (I would hope that they had!)

That's it. The composer-conductors I referred to were, of course, Bernstein and Previn.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 09, 2007, 07:29:54 AM
Manuel hasn't confirmed this one yet, but I'm fairly sure, so I'll leave it like this for now...


It is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 09, 2007, 11:52:33 AM
anyone wanna guess some more of my scores now? (wherever they are)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 12:28:53 PM
anyone wanna guess some more of my scores now? (wherever they are)

anyone wanna give some clues?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 09, 2007, 12:42:38 PM
anyone wanna give some clues?
yeah, if someone tells me which page they're on
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 09, 2007, 02:35:19 PM
Here you are, Greg - the complete second list as it stands:


MYSTERY SCORES ROUND TWO
Set by Greg 2:
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Manuel 2:
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Luke 2:
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)

Set by Maciek 2:
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Larry 2:
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 03:36:08 PM
Looks like the number guessed by Larry has trickled to a minimum ... but I did get the composer to Luke 38!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 07:11:34 PM
But that doesn't mean he can't make it hard for the rest of you!

Some of these should be quite easy -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 07:13:22 PM
And some may be quite difficult.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: CS on September 09, 2007, 07:45:25 PM
LR 45: Bartok Sonata for 2 Pianos and Percussion?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 09, 2007, 11:18:22 PM
LR 48 - or whichever is bottom of the first set - is the C minor Polonaise by WF Bach, I think.

LR 50 - has a slightly Carterian look in some respects, so I'm going to guess the Concerto for Orchestra, though  I haven't seen that score for years, or indeed heard the piece for nearly as long.

LR 52 - looks like a page of the vocal score of Akhnaten
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 10, 2007, 02:48:51 AM
.................
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 04:46:43 AM
LR 48 - or whichever is bottom of the first set - is the C minor Polonaise by WF Bach, I think.

LR 50 - has a slightly Carterian look in some respects, so I'm going to guess the Concerto for Orchestra, though  I haven't seen that score for years, or indeed heard the piece for nearly as long.

LR 52 - looks like a page of the vocal score of Akhnaten

Those three are right! The Carter is from the third movement, with the tuba and timpani solos in the deep bass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 04:47:56 AM
LR 45: Bartok Sonata for 2 Pianos and Percussion?

Not a bad guess (for reasons I'll clarify when it's identified), but not correct. Clues to come only later, if I see signs of desperation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 10, 2007, 05:05:18 AM
LR 45 composer Peter Eötvös??

Manuel 3 title Violin Concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 05:12:02 AM
l51- Varese- offrandes? i was also thinking Carter's A Mirror On Which to Dwell, but probably not
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 10, 2007, 05:12:17 AM
LR 49 is "On the Trail" from Ferde Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite, including the bass clarinet solo which is a standard excerpt for orchestral auditions.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 05:20:08 AM
Here you are, Greg - the complete second list as it stands:

excellent!  8)
here's some hints:
g11 and g12 are the same composer. g11 isn't John Cage, but has taken inspiration from him, and he may not be American. (this might be too easy now, but the greater difficulty would be determining which works these are)

g15- a score by a somewhat cutting-edge composer. I have the piece on CD, but i just want to hear someone guess who the composer is first, since most of you might not actually have the recording of this piece.

g17- it's spectral! and it's a succesful piece, too, which i think kicks butt

g19- some more kick-butt music, look at the A B C D layout. The orchestra is arranged in a novel way, i won't go any further

g20- g19 and g20 are by the same composer. This piece, which I LOVE was written the year i was born, it's like it was written just for me  >:D (thanks man)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 10, 2007, 05:32:54 AM
Not a bad guess (for reasons I'll clarify when it's identified), but not correct. Clues to come only later, if I see signs of desperation.

The soloist's part from Bartok's Concerto for two pianos and percussion?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 05:34:26 AM
The soloist's part from Bartok's Concerto for two pianos and percussion?  ;D

Not Bartok, not Eotvos, not Varèse. Look more closely at the excerpts.

Mark of course has identified the Grand Canyon Suite by Grofé.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 06:03:32 AM
There is one (I think quite obvious) feature to the unidentified excerpts that I hope to see noticed before I give any clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 06:26:54 AM
wait, l51 is obviously Boulez. Pli Selon Pli?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 06:30:33 AM
wait, l51 is obviously Boulez. Pli Selon Pli?

Not Boulez, though of course obviously a modern French composer who uses similar instrumentation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 06:39:57 AM
Dutilleux? is that any closer?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 08:10:34 AM
Dutilleux? is that any closer?

Not Dutilleux either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2007, 10:04:31 AM
LR 45 - is this Maderna's Fantasia for two pianos and percussion? The Italian instrument names and the influence of Bartok on Maderna early on point me in this direction.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 10:13:26 AM
LR 45 - is this Maderna's Fantasia for two pianos and percussion? The Italian instrument names and the influence of Bartok on Maderna early on point me in this direction.

No, it's not, though in one way you're closer, and Bartok's name will come up again when the excerpt is identified. But no one has yet commented on the obvious point raised in this and a following excerpt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2007, 12:08:07 PM
No, it's not, though in one way you're closer, and Bartok's name will come up again when the excerpt is identified. But no one has yet commented on the obvious point raised in this and a following excerpt.

Do you mean the fact that 45 is an arrangement of 46 (or possibly vice versa). Do I get a point for that?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 05:52:56 PM
Do you mean the fact that 45 is an arrangement of 46 (or possibly vice versa). Do I get a point for that?  ;D

There we go! 45 and 46 are the same piece in different instrumentation. Now that you know there are four excerpts and three composers yet to identify, your next clue is that two of these composers were both at early stages in their careers rated very highly in certain circles, yet neither produced more than a handful of work. The other composer is American.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 01:06:45 AM
I have a feeling LR 51 may be Barraque's Sequence.

edit - a bit more searching, and I'm pretty confident now. My train of thought:

1) Googling this text gives no results, therefore it must be a translation
2) The piece looks French for many reasons
3) but few likely composers in this style - looks like early, pretty hardcore serialism - spring to mind except Barraque; however, it looks like early Barraque, and a lot less complex than those of his later scores which I have seen
4) Barraque wrote an early piece, Sequence, which sets Nietzsche; this text looks fairly Nietzschean, though in translation
5) Searching reveals (http://www.baerenreiter.com/html/zeitgen/barraque/barraque.htm) that Sequence's instrumentation is identical to this piece
6) With this conjecture in mind, searching for this text and adding in the name Nieztsche throws up the verse set here:

'The crows caw
And move in whirring flight to the city:
Soon it will snow —
Happy is he who yet—has a home!'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 02:41:37 AM
I have a feeling LR 51 may be Barraque's Sequence.

edit - a bit more searching, and I'm pretty confident now. My train of thought:

1) Googling this text gives no results, therefore it must be a translation
2) The piece looks French for many reasons
3) but few likely composers in this style - looks like early, pretty hardcore serialism - spring to mind except Barraque; however, it looks like early Barraque, and a lot less complex than those of his later scores which I have seen
4) Barraque wrote an early piece, Sequence, which sets Nietzsche; this text looks fairly Nietzschean, though in translation
5) Searching reveals (http://www.baerenreiter.com/html/zeitgen/barraque/barraque.htm) that Sequence's instrumentation is identical to this piece
6) With this conjecture in mind, searching for this text and adding in the name Nieztsche throws up the verse set here:

'The crows caw
And move in whirring flight to the city:
Soon it will snow —
Happy is he who yet—has a home!'


Correct. Three pieces of mine by two composers yet to go. Your next clues are that:
- 45/46 exists actually in three versions, all of which have been recorded, but one of the scores has not been commercially published. The composer, who stopped writing at a fairly young age, went on to become a very famous musician in another capacity.
- The other composer died a few years ago and was extremely prolific. He is well-recorded and was well-regarded among those who knew him, though. He also played clarinet and taught college.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 11, 2007, 02:53:56 AM
Manuel 3 title Violin Concerto?

That's correct. The composer mastered his instrument (the same with Manuel 4) and wrote many kind and aristrocratic concertos for it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 03:34:25 AM
OK - LR 45/46 - L'Envol d'Icare - Markevitch. The 2 piano/percussion version is a later rescoring of the earlier orchestral work (which I have on CD and did not recognise  :-[ ). According to my liner notes, 'Bartok paid hommage to this trail-blazing score when completing his own Sonata for Two Pianos and percussion six years later).

It's hard to be entirely sure from comparing your score to my CD of L'Envol d'Icare (orchestral version), but the score is possibly Markevitch's later rescoring simply entitled Icare; there were a few clear differences in orchestration between the two.

You would not believe how many likely contenders I found for this piece last night, Larry! But the Markevitch it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AM
OK - LR 45/46 - L'Envol d'Icare - Markevitch. The 2 piano/percussion version is a later rescoring of the earlier orchestral work (which I have on CD and did not recognise  :-[ ). According to my liner notes, 'Bartok paid hommage to this trail-blazing score when completing his own Sonata for Two Pianos and percussion six years later).

It's hard to be entirely sure from comparing your score to my CD of L'Envol d'Icare (orchestral version), but the score is possibly Markevitch's later rescoring simply entitled Icare; there were a few clear differences in orchestration between the two.

You would not believe how many likely contenders I found for this piece last night, Larry! But the Markevitch it is.

Indeed the Markevitch it is. The orchestral version is however "Icare," not the earlier, more radical "L'Envol d'Icare" famous for its use of quarter tones. And I would say only Markevitch fits all my clues: a young composer who is initially lauded as the next great thing in modern music (Igor the Second, Diaghilev's last discovery), whose 2-piano percussion version of this score may have been the inspiration for Bartok's great Sonata, who composes only a few works and then stops altogether, and who pursues a major career as a conductor.

Now what about my American? He, I suspect, will be harder to guess.

Any other scores left unidentified now?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Indeed the Markevitch it is. The orchestral version is however "Icare," not the earlier, more radical "L'Envol d'Icare" famous for its use of quarter tones.

Good - my score reading isn't that bad, then, it is as I guessed.

And I would say only Markevitch fits all my clues: a young composer who is initially lauded as the next great thing in modern music (Igor the Second, Diaghilev's last discovery), whose 2-piano percussion version of this score may have been the inspiration for Bartok's great Sonata, who composes only a few works and then stops altogether, and who pursues a major career as a conductor.

In case you think I was, I wasn't complaining about the quality of your clues - actually, they seemed very well graded. Markevitch is the only one who fits the clues you gave this morning, which is why I was able to get him quite quickly after I saw your last one - though I didn't see a clue about this piece being the inspiration for Bartok, only that you said that a connection would become evident between the two. Last night, however, when I was busy trying to find out who it was, I of course wasn't aware of this morning's clues yet! So I was surprised to find more than one work for two pianos and percussion which had been re-orchestrated into orchestral garb, including some which seemed possible fits for this piece (and the Markevitch wasn;t even one of them). All in all, then, your clues narrowed down the field gradually and effectively.

Now what about my American? He, I suspect, will be harder to guess.

You suspect right, for my part.  ;D

Any other scores left unidentified now?

Yes - look at my list on the previous page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 11, 2007, 04:12:44 AM
Indeed the Markevitch it is. The orchestral version is however "Icare," not the earlier, more radical "L'Envol d'Icare" famous for its use of quarter tones. And I would say only Markevitch fits all my clues: a young composer who is initially lauded as the next great thing in modern music (Igor the Second, Diaghilev's last discovery), whose 2-piano percussion version of this score may have been the inspiration for Bartok's great Sonata, who composes only a few works and then stops altogether, and who pursues a major career as a conductor.

Brilliant, lads!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 04:14:50 AM
You suspect right, for my part.  ;D

The only other clue I'll give at this point is that my composer was also interested in jazz, and wasn't a radical avant-gardist. The delightful piece I'm quoting from has been thought of as an American counterpart to Prokofiev's Classical Symphony - though the composer's style is in fact far more eclectic and includes 12-tone writing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:19:18 AM
The only other clue I'll give at this point is that my composer was also interested in jazz, and wasn't a radical avant-gardist. The delightful piece I'm quoting from has been thought of as an American counterpart to Prokofiev's Classical Symphony - though the composer's style is in fact far more eclectic and includes 12-tone writing.

So - to put all my clues together for this composition and amplify them: This charming little symphony, probably not representative of its composer as a whole because he works a lot with jazz and 12-tone idioms, has been recorded and I in fact am aware of at least 16 CDs devoted to this composer's orchestral work. He died recently, was highly prolific, a New York Jew who grew up in Brooklyn, son of an emigrant baker, a clarinetist, a college teacher, but though highly regarded by those who knew him he is not as well known to the public as many other American names. Maybe in a little while I'll post an audio excerpt from the piece in question.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 05:33:45 AM
Then it is obviously Meyer Kupferman. One of his 12 symphonies?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:44:20 AM
Then it is obviously Meyer Kupferman. One of his 12 symphonies?

Excellent. Luke knows everything. Which symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:45:09 AM
Excellent. Luke knows everything. Which symphony?

And how did you figure it out?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:04:54 AM
Well, obviously, I looked on my CD shelves (because, logically enough, mine are organised under father's profession, in this case File under: Baker).  ;) >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 06:09:34 AM
Well, obviously, I looked on my CD shelves (because, logically enough, mine are organised under father's profession, in this case File under: Baker).  ;) >:D

Of course, everyone organizes their CDs that way. I file Stravinsky under "opera singer," Carter under "lace importer," Berlioz under "doctor," Beethoven under "drunkard," and so on. But since the CD is on your shelf, you can surely identify the symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:10:12 AM
As to which - I don't know.

Winter Symph?

Lyric Symph?

Sinfonia Brevis?

Chamber Symph?

...or one of the others....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:10:42 AM
I didn't say that CD was on my shelf.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 06:19:19 AM
As to which - I don't know.

Winter Symph?

Lyric Symph?

Sinfonia Brevis?

Chamber Symph?

...or one of the others....


...it's one of the others....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:32:55 AM
closer inspection....it could be the Divertimento for chamber orchestra

or Symphony no 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 07:02:02 AM
closer inspection....it could be Symphony no 3

Better known perhaps as the Little Symphony, as suggested by my clue:

Quote
This charming little symphony, probably not representative of its composer as a whole because he works a lot with jazz and 12-tone idioms, has been recorded and I in fact am aware of at least 16 CDs devoted to this composer's orchestral work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Well, until Greg and Manuel gives us some extra help, we're at a bit of an impasse! There's one more of mine left, LO 44; I'm reluctant to say much more than that this is one of the more important works of one of the most prominent figures of French organ music in the early 20th century.

So, to keep things ticking along, here are some more.

LO 50 - I am hoping no one reads this script, as, if they do, I don't imagine the answer will be long in coming

LO 51 - there is a major clue in the musical substance of this page
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:18:14 PM
LO 52 - this piece will, I suspect, prove very difficult, so I'm happy to give lots of clues. It is a non-programmatic, concertante piece for cor anglais and orchestra; its composer is very well known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
LO 53 - this piece by a major composer has not, AFAIK, been recorded. It is scored for voice and two instruments, one of which is not visible on the pages given.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
LO 54 - this is one of the most sheerly sensuously beautiful pieces I know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
LO 55 - I suspect this is fairly well-known, so no clues yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:29:33 PM
LO 56 - one for Guido, perhaps? I expect he will get this quickly, given the chance. This piece makes reference to two other pieces by a different composer. One of those references appears on this page. The two references are also alluded to titularly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:34:12 PM
LO 57 - again, I'm reluctant to give clues just yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
LO 58 - likewise with this one, which is quite straightforward, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:21:07 PM
Well, until Greg and Manuel gives us some extra help, we're at a bit of an impasse! There's one more of mine left, LO 44; I'm reluctant to say much more than that this is one of the more important works of one of the most prominent figures of French organ music in the early 20th century.

So, to keep things ticking along, here are some more.

LO 50 - I am hoping no one reads this script, as, if they do, I don't imagine the answer will be long in coming

LO 51 - there is a major clue in the musical substance of this page

From the range and character of the solo part, 51 looks like it could be write for a tenor voice. The accompaniment looks more orchestral than pianistic in style.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:27:38 PM
LO 58 - likewise with this one, which is quite straightforward, I think.

Looks like an a capella male choir thing by Schoenberg, but I can't pin it down to any of the pieces I know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 11, 2007, 08:29:05 PM
LO 51 has got to be by a Czech composer! The Hussite hymn is all over the place. "Ye who are warriors of God".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 11:26:24 PM
Larry, you are right on the Schoenberg male chorus thing; it's a pretty limited set of works, so it shouldn't be too hard finding which one this is (the most spectacular one, IMO)

Mark, that's exactly the clue I hoped someone would spot. This piece makes frequent reference to this potent idea throughout, but this page is one of the most specific in that respect. It is an instrumental work, and the piano part is not a reduction.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 01:21:53 AM
Just to keep this thing at the top... as you can see, I've stuck the two lists together, so as to have everything in one place and easy to access.

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:17:30 AM
Larry, you are right on the Schoenberg male chorus thing; it's a pretty limited set of works, so it shouldn't be too hard finding which one this is (the most spectacular one, IMO)

Unfortunately I don't have scores or recordings of these. I'll keep at it, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:20:07 AM
Just to keep this thing at the top... as you can see, I've stuck the two lists together, so as to have everything in one place and easy to access.

Well, I could get partial credit for the composer on LO51...  :D

I would love to capture all of these images into a Word file or PDF and send it around to all interested, before Rob inevitably deletes all the graphics. We could be the ones responsible for the database crashing every other day.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:22:54 AM
Well, I could get partial credit for the composer on LO51...  :D

 ??? Why - did I miss a post?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 12, 2007, 04:41:01 AM
I would love to capture all of these images into a Word file or PDF and send it around to all interested, before Rob inevitably deletes all the graphics. We could be the ones responsible for the database crashing every other day.  ;D

If this happens, count me in, please!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:08:38 AM
??? Why - did I miss a post?

I mean LO58. Can't keep all the numbers straight.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:15:16 AM
Ah, right. Fair point. Modified as suggested!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 12, 2007, 05:16:08 AM
LO 52: My guess is Ned Rorem.

During my detective work I was surprised at how many English horn concertos there are: Nicholas Maw, Aaron Jay Kernis, Michael Daugherty, Vincent Persichetti.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:20:08 AM
No, sorry. Told you this one was hard. The composer of this piece is at the same time a much less famous composer than any of those you mentioned, and much more famous. If that is any help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:24:13 AM
Oh, and, to be fair, I ought to say that this piece is a Concertino rather than a Concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 05:59:29 AM
Well, until Greg and Manuel gives us some extra help, we're at a bit of an impasse! There's one more of mine left, LO 44; I'm reluctant to say much more than that this is one of the more important works of one of the most prominent figures of French organ music in the early 20th century.

So, to keep things ticking along, here are some more.

LO 50 - I am hoping no one reads this script, as, if they do, I don't imagine the answer will be long in coming

LO 51 - there is a major clue in the musical substance of this page


excellent!  8)
here's some hints:
g11 and g12 are the same composer. g11 isn't John Cage, but has taken inspiration from him, and he may not be American. (this might be too easy now, but the greater difficulty would be determining which works these are)

g15- a score by a somewhat cutting-edge composer. I have the piece on CD, but i just want to hear someone guess who the composer is first, since most of you might not actually have the recording of this piece.

g17- it's spectral! and it's a succesful piece, too, which i think kicks butt

g19- some more kick-butt music, look at the A B C D layout. The orchestra is arranged in a novel way, i won't go any further

g20- g19 and g20 are by the same composer. This piece, which I LOVE was written the year i was born, it's like it was written just for me  >:D (thanks man)

this isn't enough extra help?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:59:55 AM
No, sorry. Told you this one was hard. The composer of this piece is at the same time a much less famous composer than any of those you mentioned, and much more famous. If that is any help.

This suggests the composer is well-known as a musician, but less so as a composer. Correct?

There is an English horn concerto by S. Skrowacewzki (sp?), better known as a conductor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 06:02:12 AM

this isn't enough extra help?

There are lot of pieces in play now, and some get lost in the shuffle, especially as newer ones surface.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 06:05:14 AM
Luke's done the magic of linking everything together so i know i'm not lost!  $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 06:18:19 AM

this isn't enough extra help?

Were you born in 1987 or 1988?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 07:02:25 AM
Were you born in 1987 or 1988?
1987
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 07:31:39 AM
This suggests the composer is well-known as a musician, but less so as a composer. Correct?

Almost correct - but you picked up on the deliberate ambiguity of the phrasing correctly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 07:33:27 AM

this isn't enough extra help?

To be honest, no!! ;D These are obviously examples that need the sort of giveaway clues other questions have had to have
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
Quote
g11 and g12 are the same composer. g11 isn't John Cage, but has taken inspiration from him, and he may not be American. (this might be too easy now, but the greater difficulty would be determining which works these are)

g15- a score by a somewhat cutting-edge composer. I have the piece on CD, but i just want to hear someone guess who the composer is first, since most of you might not actually have the recording of this piece.

g17- it's spectral! and it's a succesful piece, too, which i think kicks butt

g19- some more kick-butt music, look at the A B C D layout. The orchestra is arranged in a novel way, i won't go any further

g20- g19 and g20 are by the same composer. This piece, which I LOVE was written the year i was born, it's like it was written just for me

more clues:
g11 and g12- this composer is Asian
g15- this composer is German
g17- just think of THE spectral composers, the ones who started it. Think of the succesful spectral pieces and take some guesses
g19 and g20- one of my VERY favorite composers (now that i said that, you should know who he is). The trick now is to guess which works they are. i gave you 1987, one should be really easy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 12, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Manuel3 - Every upper-intermediate violinist plays this concerto at least once in his life. I suppose that's an important reason for serious violinists not to perform it as a concert piece.
If you explore Nathan Milstein's lineage (which leads to Tartini), you will find this violinist-composer, eventually.

Manuel4 - I think he gave his last concert from an armchair.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 12, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
And there's a more intrincate clue...

The violinist that made the only modern recording of the work in Manuel3 had a son who was named after the composer of the work in Manuel4.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 11:16:39 AM
g20 Xenakis ATA
g19 also Xenakis
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
Nomos gamma??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 11:40:51 AM
g20 Xenakis ATA
yep

Nomos gamma??
nope
it has a very unusual arrangement, where the orchestral players sit.
if you don't know it right away, just do a little research
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 12:04:04 PM
Terretektorh?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 12:49:47 PM
Luke - am a bit stumped on the cello concerto (or concertante work) - remember not all of us mere mortals have your awesome score reading abilities and score knowledge. Will keep thinking (though I have an inkling)...

Chor Anglais concertante work - only two pieces I can think of are both programmatic - Kernis' Coloured field, and MacMillan's The World's Ransoming.

Am keen to find out what no. 54 is!

(am thinking of trying to track down the scores of the three most difficult cello concerti that I have come accross - all of them are worth it I think - a project for the Cambridge library - though I suppose you might start guessing already!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 12:58:33 PM
Terretektorh?

Or possible Le Polytope de Montreal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 01:07:05 PM
Yes, that would have been my 3rd guess. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 02:23:22 PM
Luke - pieces for cello and orchestra, which include references to other works (including titular references) - I can only think of a few - Murill Cello concerto no.2 "Song of the Birds", Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on Sussex theme tunes, Schoenberg's concerto based on Monn's keyboard concerto, Foulds concerto on themes by Corelli (lost and unrecorded), Cassado concerto based on themes from Tchaikovsky's piano music, Denisov - Death is a Long Sleep - Variations on a canon by Haydn. Its none of the first four, definitely. I don't really think its any of these, but if I had to suggest one it would be the Denisov. Stab in the dark though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 02:52:25 PM
The Denisov is closest, though not perhaps for the reasons you think (though I don't know what they are)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 03:03:03 PM
The cryptic hints are what I like best about this thread... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 03:13:17 PM
Well, it could well be for the reason Guido thinks...in fact, it possibly is.....hell, I don't know! Guido, what do you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 03:37:32 PM
They are literally all the one's that I can think of with names that have titular reference to other works, and that seemed the most likely one based on the harmony (although even then, hmm...) - the first three I own scores to so I know its not them, and the Cassado is so obscure that I doubt its that (and its not Tchaikovskian harmony).

hmmm.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 03:43:22 PM
They are literally all the one's that I can think of with names that have titular reference to other works, and that seemed the most likely one based on the harmony (although even then, hmm...) - the first three I own scores to so I know its not them, and the Cassado is so obscure that I doubt its that (and its not Tchaikovskian harmony).

hmmm.....

It's none of the ones you mentioned, sorry.

Anyway, want more clues?

50 - as I say, the language is a big clue, as is the metre (or the implications of the metre) I think name of composer and, in the most basic way, type of piece, would be enough here

51 - Mark has spotted that this piece, especially, I will say, this quoted part, is largely based around the Hussite chorale ‘Ye who are the warriors of God’, a piece quoted famously and obsessively by Smetana in Tabor and Blanik (Ma Vlast) and later by e.g. Suk (Praga) and Janacek (Mr Broucek) - it is a symbol of Czech pride and defiance. It is certainly that in this piece. Larry thought the melody line looked vocal, and whilst this is not correct, it is possible to imagine this line as a setting of some kind of defiant text, deliberately and necessarily rendered dumb by being played instrumentally. This, though, is pure symbolic speculation on my part and has no grounds in fact. It might help to guide you towards the composer and the piece, however.

52 - This is the one about which I said:
Quote
The composer of this piece is at the same time a much less famous composer than any of those you mentioned, and much more famous
Understandably, Larry took this to mean that he is/was better known as a musician in another field than as a composer. In fact, though, it goes further than that: he is better known as something other than a musician at all, though throughout his life, and despite his prolific creativity in his higher profile career, he continued to think of himself as a composer above all else, and to value music above the other arts despite his profound working knowledge in other areas. His career is inevitably linked with Beethoven’s Ninth, amongst other works.

53 - The text here is clear; so, I assume is the nationality of the composer and, perhaps, the period from which this piece dates. This, added to the fact that I have called this composer a major figure - which he surely is - should limit the possibilities somewhat. Remember that this piece is unrecorded, but it is far from unmentioned online.

54 - this is the sensuously beautiful one, which I realise may be no clue at all. You see a reference to a certain number of soloists in the middle of the score, playing certain types of instruments; this knowledge alone could tell you for whom the piece was written. This, I think, is also one of those scores where the publisher and thus the composer are fairly evident.

55 - This is from the middle movement (of five) of a too-little-known (though hardly unknown) masterpiece of late Romanticism.  A quite wonderful and very suggestive piece, in fact, typical of its composer but a little less convoluted and more fantastically alive than some of his similarly-scored works, IMO, great though those are also. This movement is for a much reduced orchestra - just six solo players, for the most part, until the last bars. I have mentioned this composer’s name in this thread.

56 - The one Guido should know (in fact, he does know it, I think). Again, the publisher is fairly clear. Sometimes this composer’s notation strikes me as a little ‘messy’, as indeed it does a little on this page, but that is part of his style. Like no 54, this is an unremittingly beautiful work - almost too much so, possibly.

57 - Scored for a fairly standard orchestra, but in a typically glittering fashion; this composer is well-known for his short, dazzling orchestral pieces. This is one of the (slightly) less well-known ones, but even so is recognised as a mini-masterpiece, as indeed are many of this composer’s pieces. If you can isolate the composer and the possible work, the wind figuration should give a little hint.

58 - Larry’s almost got this one: a male part song by Schoenberg. The voices are ‘just’ engaged in childish impressions of drums etc., as they are throughout much of this song.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 04:09:26 PM
oh yeah. Duh! I thought of the Farewell to Philosophy, but didn't see the titular connection (of course it's to two of Haydn's Symphonies). Wouldn't have recognised the score though! The too beautiful thing was a massive clue of course!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:16:48 PM
Certainly was - to clarify, this is a page from late in Gavin Bryars' Cello Concerto 'Farewell to Philosophy', whose title refers to those two Haydn symphonies, The Farewell and The Philosopher. The page shown, with its paired horns and oboe/cor anglais over padding strings is making reference to the latter work; the orchestral 'thinning-out' at the end of the piece refers to the former one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:38:06 PM
I'm going to bed in a minute, but before I go I might as well put up a few more samples I've prepared this evening (quite low quality,these ones, I'm afraid). And then that will do from me for a few days, I hope, though I have more in mind if we get that far.

LO 59 and LO 60 go together; they are not by the same composer, though they both look very similar to another composer, which is significant
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:41:14 PM
LO 61 is just a straightforward question, without peculiarities to latch on to, I'm afraid. An unexpectedly potent and well put-together piece, IMO.

LO 62 is quite a funky piece....

LO 63 - I could have chosen a more intricately jewelled page from the 400 or so that this work has, but this is one of the most beautiful moments in the entire collection.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:41:45 PM
LO 64 - he he

LO 65 - no comment

LO 66 - ought to be relatively straightforward
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:44:19 PM
LO 67 - quite a typical piece

LO 68 - an impressive piece of juvenilia
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:53:39 PM
LO 67 - quite a typical piece

LO 68 - an impressive piece of juvenilia

68 Richard Strauss?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:56:36 PM
Not 68 (though that's a good guess).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:56:47 PM
LO 64 - he he

LO 65 - no comment

LO 66 - ought to be relatively straightforward

65 looks like a Chopin mazurka but I don't think it is, so Szymanowski. And don't ask me which!

66 looks like Richard Strauss too! But don't ask me which opera!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:59:13 PM
65 isn't Chopin or Szymanowski.

66 is Strauss, but I won't ask you which opera since it isn't one. I will say, however, that this isn't a vocal score (despite the 'pizz' marking, which I suppose is just there to help the pianist imagine the desired sound). Big clues there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Now I really am going to bed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:12:17 PM
Now I really am going to bed!

66 is Strauss's melodrama The Castle by the Sea, a work I had never heard of until five minutes ago.

Now let's see if Luke really has gone to bed!!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:12:58 PM
65 isn't Chopin or Szymanowski.

Maybe not, the markings are in French.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 05:32:11 PM
I think it even sounds French. It reminds me of Satie a bit but it seems too "regular" for him... But who then? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 11:07:57 PM
66 is Strauss's melodrama The Castle by the Sea, a work I had never heard of until five minutes ago.

Correct! It's partly the discovery of new composers and works that makes this thread fun, I think. Wide-ranging and extending many aspects of musical (and logical) thinking.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 13, 2007, 04:32:32 AM
Judging by the clue, LO 68 must be the Piano Trio by Korngold.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 04:52:47 AM
It is  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 04:55:12 AM
Meanwhile, Manuel 4 is the second of the Four Etudes for two violins by Wieniawski
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 13, 2007, 05:09:21 AM
Terretektorh?
you got it, Maciek!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 06:42:42 AM
Meanwhile, Manuel 4 is the second of the Four Etudes for two violins by Wieniawski

and Manuel 3 is from the first movement of de Beriot's 9th Violin Concerto.

(I've updated the list before Manuel gets a chance to confirm, because I've compared his examples side by side with the scores.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 13, 2007, 07:01:03 AM
and Manuel 3 is from the first movement of de Beriot's 9th Violin Concerto.

(I've updated the list before Manuel gets a chance to confirm, because I've compared his examples side by side with the scores.)

They are. Now, for the bonus points: who is the modern violinist I mentioned to when linking both composers?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 07:04:21 AM
Takako Nishizaki
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 13, 2007, 09:28:56 AM
Perhaps the "Satie" piece is by Scriabin?? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 10:24:35 AM
Perhaps it is.







But it isn't.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 13, 2007, 10:28:35 AM
He, he. Perhaps it isn't then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 18, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Have we all run out of steam for this game? can we at least wrap up the ones left unidentified?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 18, 2007, 10:48:52 AM
anyone need more clues for my scores?
how about some more guesses?.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 18, 2007, 10:57:21 AM
Have we all run out of steam for this game? can we at least wrap up the ones left unidentified?

I certainly haven't - I was worrying everyone else had lost enthusiasm!

There are quite a few left to guess of mine, and I have more I'd love to post, too, though seeing this great thread slip down the board I haven't had the heart to prepare them yet.

For me, the whole point of this game, apart from the 'thrill of the chase' (  ;D ) is the fascinating corners of the repertoire it takes me too - places I wouldn't normally have thought of going, perhaps. Among my ongoing crop of scores-to-be-guessed are a few that I think are really interesting, as, I hope, would be others I might post in the future. And personally, I want to have more to work at from other people too, as I'm craving more musical detective work! I never got into crosswords etc. - perhaps this is the musician's equivalent!

Greg, of your remaining numbers, I simply don't have a clue.  ???  Give us a few more hints.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 18, 2007, 12:27:45 PM
Have we all run out of steam for this game? can we at least wrap up the ones left unidentified?

I'm currently in Vilnius, and on a VERY slow dial up connection (graphics practically don't load at all ::)), so I won't be participating for a while (almost until the end of September). At least I don't think so. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 18, 2007, 12:32:04 PM
I certainly haven't - I was worrying everyone else had lost enthusiasm!

Just taking an intermission, or as you on the other side of the pond would say, an interval.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 18, 2007, 12:33:02 PM
I'll take a major sixth, Larry!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 05:00:21 AM
OK, in the hope to give the thread a little kick-start, some more give-away clues to my remaining ones (italics = correctly guessed):

No 44 - we’ve established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I’ll add that he is one of those much-lamented ‘died-too-soon’ composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I’ll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer’s output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an ‘Eastern’ title.

No 50 - evidently the different script gives the game away that this piece originates somewhere relatively unusual. There are not an enormous number of well-known composers from this country, and still fewer when one discounts ‘Soviet’-type composers. The composer of this piece is usually seen as the father of classical music in his country; he was the first non-European admitted into the International Music Society, of which he was a founder. This piece comes from a collection simply called ‘Dances’

No 51 - Mark correctly guessed that this piece is Czech, from the inclusion of the Hussite Chorale; I’ve added that the defiant spirit of that Chorale is important in this piece, which comes from a time of repression and was written by a composer certainly to be counted among the most repressed. He was Janacek’s finest pupil, and really his only follower, stylistically, though his music has it own individual voice too.

No 52 - this is the one written by a composer better-known for something else - music was only really a hobby for him, though he saw himself as fundamentally a composer. As I said, to the general public his name is somewhat associated with Beethoven’s Ninth, Rossini’s William Tell overture and various other pieces of classical music. His life was riddled with quotable bits of trivia - culling a few: he gave the eulogy at Benny Hill’s funeral; attacked by muggers in NYC he fended them off with a swordstick; he considered the composer Derek Bourgeois to be his alter-ego etc. etc. etc. He wrote a screenplay for a Bond film, which has been given the following synopsis:

Quote
It revolved around an organisation called CHAOS (Consortium for the Hastening of the Annihilation of Organised Society). CHAOS has accumulated enough money to achieve its plans and is now concentrating on power for its own sake. It blackmails international figures into humiliating themselves by terrorism. During the proposed opening sequence, an airliner full of passengers is exploded as it takes off, CHAOS's response to the Pope’s refusal to personally whitewash the Sistine Chapel. Bond discovers a plot to implant 'micro-nukes' in appendectomy patients, the aim being to blow up Sydney Opera House during a visit by international royals and presidents (this atrocity being in response to the US President's refusal to masturbate on live TV)

Strangely enough, a different plot was chosen for the final film. He is, to put it mildly, eminently quotable, and it would be easy and fun to spend all day unearthing gems, but I suppose I should plough on.

No 53 - as I said, an early, unrecorded work by a major composer. The text, as you can see, is from the Corpus Christi Carol, set by, among others, Britten, though this is evidently not him. The title of this text might help you with the title of this piece, however.

No 54 - This composer has already had a piece on this thread. This one, if you can’t see, is a piece for five percussionist and orchestra; I already gave the clue that you could think who these five percussionists are - the answer is Nexus, who commissioned and gave the premiere of this piece. Though one would imagine this piece to be quite obscure, it was recorded by the BBC and released as part of a free BBC Music Magazine CD, and when I’m trawling charity shops for CDs, I see this issue more than almost any other. So it seems that this piece (or its coupling, the Walton 1st Symph) isn’t to general tastes. Which is a shame, as it makes an utterly beautiful sound, though not, I think, amongst its composer’s finest works, formally.

No 55 - If I say this composer was the son-in-law of an even more famous composer, will that be saying too much?

No 57 - The main truism about this composer is that he could have been even more successful had he not been lazy. He is essentially a composer of exquisite miniatures, whether for solo piano or for orchestra, the latter often using folk tunes or folk tales as a starting point (as indeed is the case in this example). In some respects (and only some) he is comparable to the early, Chopinesque Scriabin - fondness for extreme key signatures, tiny wraithlike piano pieces (often Preludes, a la Scriabin) etc.

No 58 - Larry’s nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It’s an awesome work, in its own way.

No 59 and 60 - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of ……….esque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. The two pieces also share the same title, a generic title common to their model, and also to his model.

No 61 - A piece by this well-known composer has already been used on this thread. Strangely enough, it took longer to guess than most, even though the piece it came from is much-recorded and pretty famous. This present piece is nothing like it, stylistically, looking more like Medtner, I suppose, than the common view of this composer, but it is actually just as typical of him.


No 62 - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form.

No 63 - Look at the melody line carefully: you will almost certainly know it; on line 3 it transfers itself to the top of the left hand

No 64 - Look at the melody line…..no, just kidding. This is quite a notorious piece, partly just for the look of it. It’s one of the earlier ‘complexity’ works, and still one of the most breathtaking to look at, and, indeed, in its bold, no-holds-barred conception. The composer has already been used as an example on this thread; you might be able to recognise the handwriting, though it’s somewhat messier and more spindly on this score.
 
No 65 - we’ve had Chopin, Szymanowski and Scriabin as guesses for this piece, and its true composer is every bit as well known as them, though this piece is practically unknown. There is a melodic similarity to one of this composer’s much more famous works, in line four especially.

No 67 - The wandering chordal progressions in this piece are very typical of this composer, a man who once informed a woman that he was breaking off their relationship by asking the police to set a guard on his house to keep her away. He also had two grand pianos, one on top of the other, neither of which he used for composing (and the top one of which he used to store unsolicited post). He was also the head of the Metropolitan Church of Art of Jesus the Conductor.


And here, just to start things off neatly, I repost again the fully-hyperlinked list as-it-stands:


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Steve:
1 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)(unconfirmed)
8 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)(unconfirmed)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2007, 07:31:37 AM
g11, g12- a Japanese composer wrote these. Don't think too hard. Do a little internet searching, you might find them online (that's where i found them).
g15- this is by a German composer who is the 2009 judge for the composing competition of the composer of g11/g12. Once you find out who this is, do a google image search and you might find the score
g17- who are the 2 "founders" of spectral music? the initials of the title of the whole work is "LEA" (in French), and it's composed by one of these two (it's a very long work, btw)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2007, 07:38:13 AM
LO 28 - especially heard in context, a really breathtaking piece of orchestration, IMO
when i heard Roman Festivals on the radio a long time ago, i was just amazed.....  up there with the Rite of Spring, even, one of the best orchestrations ever.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:39:40 AM
g11, g12- a Japanese composer wrote these. Don't think too hard. Do a little internet searching, you might find them online (that's where i found them).
g15- this is by a German composer who is the 2009 judge for the composing competition of the composer of g11/g12. Once you find out who this is, do a google image search and you might find the score
g17- who are the 2 "founders" of spectral music? the initials of the title of the whole work is "LEA" (in French), and it's composed by one of these two (it's a very long work, btw)

Ah, so 17 is Les Espaces Acoustiques by Grisey, I assume? (the thing about the founders of spectral music is confusing, mind you, as that very much depends on who you read and what you think of as spectral!)

I'll think about the others in a minute - I think a pupil is coming.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:41:28 AM
to be more precise, Partiels, from Les Espaces Acoustiques, I guess.

(the pupil hasn't arrived yet!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:44:11 AM
Hmm, I never looked closely enough at 12 - is that November Steps (Takemitsu)? (I once ordered that score, but it never arrived).

In which case, is 11 one of the graphic scores he (apparently) gives the Biwa and Shakuhachi soloists in the same piece? Or maybe I'm misremembering.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:46:03 AM
That may make the remaining one (15) Lachenmann, a composer I know too little of. Is that right?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:57:58 AM
Wild guess - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2007, 09:34:02 AM
wow, you just got 3 of them, Luke!  :o
just a little research and you should be able to find out that Takemitsu piece pretty easily
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 10:55:03 AM
Are both my Takemitsu guesses wrong? If not, which one is the wrong one - I'm guessing the graphic score one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
Ring? (a wild stab in the dark)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 20, 2007, 06:35:59 AM
Are both my Takemitsu guesses wrong? If not, which one is the wrong one - I'm guessing the graphic score one.
you got the Grisey, Lachenmann, and November Steps right, the graphic one is not Ring. Different instrument. Notice that i didn't put an s after instrument.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 20, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
Corona? Crossing? Equinox?.....

but I get the feeling we're the only ones playing at the moment. A shame. :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 20, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
Corona? Crossing? Equinox?.....

but I get the feeling we're the only ones playing at the moment. A shame. :(
yeah, Corona i think
i think this thread will pick back up, just give it some time
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 21, 2007, 05:17:56 AM
Corona? Crossing? Equinox?.....

but I get the feeling we're the only ones playing at the moment. A shame. :(


Maybe I'll have more time for it this weekend. One of our best threads ever.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 21, 2007, 05:37:19 PM
if we get bored of this thread, we could do a mystery clips thread....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 21, 2007, 08:09:26 PM
if we get bored of this thread, we could do a mystery clips thread....

I have the impression I'm about to start one through brianrein.  :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2007, 09:28:40 AM
if we get bored of this thread, we could do a mystery clips thread....

I'm afraid you might have to count me out of that one. Dial-up could well make it a little tiresome for me...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 22, 2007, 10:49:32 AM
I'm afraid you might have to count me out of that one.

Sure? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3544.msg85046.html#msg85046)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2007, 11:00:16 AM
Yes, I think so. If I got involved, I'd probably find it nearly as addictive as I found/am finding (which tense is correct?) this thread.* So waiting for downloads etc would be a real pain.

*possibly slightly less as I find scores visually fascinating to ponder over - potential clues lurk in so many facets of the image (musical style, handwriting, instrumentation, print style....). You can look at leisure, take your time to examine small details, zoom in and out, compare other scores.... whereas listening to clips is a somewhat more frustrating exercise in this respect, as it basically involves playing and replaying and perhaps hunting for particular sections of the music over and over. Just my personal taste, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 01:24:05 PM
Hello? Anybody here?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 02, 2007, 01:28:10 PM
Yes, me. Patiently waiting - and waiting, and waiting - for others to decide to revisit this best of threads again.

Please look on the previous page for clues to my last remaining ones. Some easy ones there, I think you'll agree.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:09:21 PM
Why, aren't those the same that you put up before I even left? 0:) :P

He, he - always liked a good challenge. Here's my first guess:

LO 50
The Erezeroumi Shoror from Dances for piano by the Armenian composer Komitas Vardapet!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
LO 51
Another easy one! :P
Suite for Oboe and Piano by Pavel Haas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
LO 52:
Anthony Burgess    - Concertino for cor anglais and orchestra (1987)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:44:00 PM
LO 67:
Satie - Messe des Pauvres

I'll take a break now... Perhaps I'll post a few unguessable ones of mine own tomorrow... >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 02, 2007, 05:19:52 PM
Yes, me. Patiently waiting - and waiting, and waiting - for others to decide to revisit this best of threads again.

It was kind of hard to respond when the site had crashed for three days.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 02, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
Yes, Maciek, these are the same ones as were up before you left!

And of course these three guesses are correct. I told you my clues made these easy (in the case of the Burgess and the Satie, lots of silly trivia to point you in the right direction for a little Googling etc.), because I want them to be found quickly - they've been hanging around for far too long. Which is why I've been surprised they haven't been guessed yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
LO 61 Respighi - Violin Sonata in B Minor
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 03, 2007, 02:40:17 PM
Nice. That's one of the trickier ones IMO
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 03:15:20 PM
I feel the trickier one must be no. 63. I'm positive I know it, and yet I just can't place it........... :-\ Is it really a solo piano piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 03, 2007, 03:23:38 PM
Yes, it's for solo piano. It's a piece with an essential Polish connection, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 03, 2007, 03:26:39 PM
And don't forget my clue - just look at the tune, which ought to be deep in your blood. At the top of the page it is in the top voice, but we join it halfway through. It changes to the top of the left hand on the third line, and at this point you can see the beginning of the tune again.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 04:11:57 PM
Well, it seems I'm a bit stuck. Nos. 63-65 I find the most annoying... >:( Let's see if the night brings any illumination... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 07:29:08 AM
Well, it seems I'm a bit stuck. Nos. 63-65 I find the most annoying... >:( Let's see if the night brings any illumination... ::)

Well, let me see how I can help...

63 - what more can I say: it has a very well-known theme which I have pointed out to you, though the theme may not be familiar in this treatment.

64 - like I said, a composer already used on this thread. What school/style of music would you file this under? Therefore, which composer must it be? What notorious (and relatively early) piece could it be? Another composer, equally or more well-known, and belonging to the same school, wrote a typically dense analysis of this piece which is very interesting. This score can be found online, as you can see, but not at IMSLP.

65 - an extremely well-known composer (we're talking 'world's greatest composers' famous), but a little-known piece, not included in any collections I've seen of his. The composer is who it sounds like, and again I point you to line 4 in particular for a point where he almost quotes another of his pieces (much better-known) for the same instrument. (I'm not being obscure here - that instrument is the piano!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:12:09 AM
Well, let me see how I can help...

63 - what more can I say: it has a very well-known theme which I have pointed out to you, though the theme may not be familiar in this treatment.

64 - like I said, a composer already used on this thread. What school/style of music would you file this under? Therefore, which composer must it be? What notorious (and relatively early) piece could it be? Another composer, equally or more well-known, and belonging to the same school, wrote a typically dense analysis of this piece which is very interesting. This score can be found online, as you can see, but not at IMSLP.

65 - an extremely well-known composer (we're talking 'world's greatest composers' famous), but a little-known piece, not included in any collections I've seen of his. The composer is who it sounds like, and again I point you to line 4 in particular for a point where he almost quotes another of his pieces (much better-known) for the same instrument. (I'm not being obscure here - that instrument is the piano!)

So thought I could take a stab at these, but to no luck.  Thought 63 might be one of the Brahms variations given the polyrhythms,  64 is a Ferneyhough piece - Sonatas for String Quartet or the 2nd SQ perhaps?  Thought 65 was Debussy or perhaps Ravel, but struck out there
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:33:55 AM
Here is one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:34:36 AM
And a couple of easier ones
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 04, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
And a couple of easier ones

The top one is the Bartok 4th quartet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 10:05:31 AM
The top one is the Bartok 4th quartet.

Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 10:16:12 AM
This should be easy as well
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 10:17:44 AM
Love BVW1 - it's hilarious. Have no idea what it is though...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
In the same vein as 4
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 04, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Celli in Le sacre, the Augures printanières
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:10:36 AM
obviously not the original score
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
Celli in Le sacre, the Augures printanières

Yes, that one was too easy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
working backwards...


no 6 = Giant Steps, I think

no 5 Karl got there first

no 4 = mandolin [?] part of one of Webern's op 10 pieces

no 3 = Falla's Homenaje a Debussy (note quotation from Soiree dans Grenade)

no 2 Larry got there first

no 1 = possibly that silly thing whose full name escapes me but which has something to do with fairies
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:40:48 AM
working backwards...


no 6 = Giant Steps, I think

no 5 Karl got there first

no 4 = mandolin [?] part of one of Webern's op 10 pieces

no 3 = Falla's Homenaje a Debussy (note quotation from Soiree dans Grenade)

no 2 Larry got there first

no 1 = possibly that silly thing whose full name escapes me but which has something to do with fairies

Right on all but 1 (that is a common misattribution - it is not the Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 04, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
#64 is Finnissy's Song 9, analysed by Ferneyhough in '78.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
Ah, OK - that was the one I was thinking of. Don't know the title of this one, though it looks familiar.

As for your guesses on mine:

So thought I could take a stab at these, but to no luck.  Thought 63 might be one of the Brahms variations given the polyrhythms,  64 is a Ferneyhough piece - Sonatas for String Quartet or the 2nd SQ perhaps?  Thought 65 was Debussy or perhaps Ravel, but struck out there

63 isn't Brahms - I chose a page where the melody is clear, but actually on preceding pages the polyrhythms here are exceeded in complexity. It is really a stunning little jewel of a piece, one of my favourite from the set it is drawn from (another mini clue)

64 isn't Ferneyhough, though you are right in that is it is clearly 'New Complexity'. I said that a composer possibly even better-known than the composer of this piece had written an analysis of it - and that analyst-composer is Ferneyhough This piece is actually a good deal more improbably complex and less rationally notated than any Ferneyhough piece for piano, which is the instrument for which it is written. You are forgiven for thinking it was a Quartet, however! (FWIW, the Ferneyhough Sonatas for String Quartet are a much simpler score than this - scarcely a nested tuplet in sight, in fact, though still complexity enough to make most ensembles cower in their boots)

[edit] ah - I see matticus has just correctly identified this piece, making the above superfluous! Yes, it's Finnissy's ne plus ultra, Song 9.

65, believe it or not, is one of Debussy or Ravel - well done! In both cases, we tend to think that their complete piano works can be fairly neatly sewn up, but actually both composers have odd little miniatures like this one floating around which are almost unknown.

Don't forget, though, there are more than these three remaining - take a look on page 42 for the full list plus clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 12:43:21 PM
65, believe it or not, is one of Debussy or Ravel

I felt it could be Ravel all along but I'm almost certain I know all of Ravel's piano solo music. So, even though it looks and sounds more like Ravel to me, I'm voting for Debussy. (Besides, the "quote" thing seems to be pointing to Debussy. I think. ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 12:45:19 PM
A common thread here
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
no 7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanole (Sevilla)

no 9 - I'm going for a Scarlatti sonata, though I will have to search for which one it might be

and yes, Maciek, it is Debussy. The 'quote' (no such thing really, it's just a similarity) being from La plus que lente, to my eyes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 01:13:22 PM
and yes, Maciek, it is Debussy. The 'quote' (no such thing really, it's just a similarity) being from La plus que lente, to my eyes.

Yes, La plus que lente is what I see there too. And I think something else too - but now I can't remember what it was and don't see it anymore. Hopefully it will come back. Quite a surprise though, to see lean textures like these in Debussy - and such an easy piece...! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 04, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
Yes, that one was too easy

Trust me to nab the one that's too easy  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 01:24:07 PM
Steve's no 9 is the Scarlatti sonata given the Longo Number S3, which according to my chart translates a K 513
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 01:31:23 PM
Yes, La plus que lente is what I see there too. And I think something else too - but now I can't remember what it was and don't see it anymore. Hopefully it will come back. Quite a surprise though, to see lean textures like these in Debussy - and such an easy piece...! ;D

Well, amongst those other lesser Debussy piano pieces there's the tragic, late Elegie, which is similarly spare. And of course, slightly better known, there's the Berceuse Heroique, and the Hommage to Haydn, mature miniature masterpieces both. Also a Morceau de Concours which is interesting, a sort of mix of whole tone fanfares and Minstrels-like gruppeti. This piece, then, is none of these, which may help!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 04, 2007, 03:53:05 PM
Here is one
i've seen that before......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 08:13:14 AM
Luke - you are correct on the Scarlatti and Albeniz

Your 54 is Takemitsu's Vers, L'arc-en-ciel, Palma?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 10:30:15 AM
No, but it is Takemitsu. Remember, a concertante piece for five solo percussionists and orchestra.

Given that this thread seems perhaps to have taken off again, shall I TTT the updated list again?

(I'll take that as a yes):

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - ? - (Steve/Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
No, but it is Takemitsu. Remember, a concertante piece for five solo percussionists and orchestra.



OK then From Me Flows What You Call Time

I was focused on the Oboe of Luv

I need to get a recording of this piece - it is the big gap in my Takemitsu CD collection
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 05, 2007, 01:19:54 PM
BWV1:
John Stump - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 01:55:10 PM
OK then From Me Flows What You Call Time

I was focused on the Oboe of Luv

I need to get a recording of this piece - it is the big gap in my Takemitsu CD collection

Which one - From Me....or Vers l'arc-en- ciel? I used to have the latter, but not any more; I do have a copy of the former. It is in some respects about as sonically stunning and seductive as music gets, but not as tight as Takemitsu's best. As I said in an earlier post, I've seen quite a few copies of the BBC music magazine disc with this piece on knocking around in various charity shops (i.e. here in the UK) - unfortunately, it seems to be one which people get rid of! I'll try to remember to pick it up for you next time I see it.

And of course, yes, you are right with this answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 04:18:47 PM
BWV1:
John Stump - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident)

yep

Still one of mine unguessed although the common thread of which I spoke should be obvious from the other two pieces
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 04:59:08 PM
Two More
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 06:46:37 PM
11 is Bauce Cordier's Belle Bonne - one I remember from my Larousse encyclopedia!

10 looks familiar, but I can't quite place it yet - something for tape, I think. Stockhausen.......??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
....no, perhaps not.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 07:07:14 PM
yep

Still one of mine unguessed although the common thread of which I spoke should be obvious from the other two pieces

The Spanish element, yes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2007, 03:56:15 PM
....no, perhaps not.....

no, let me go back to my original instinct - I think this is Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 06, 2007, 04:58:09 PM
no, let me go back to my original instinct - I think this is Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge?

Yep
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2007, 11:36:25 PM
Does that monosyllable imply that my guess for the other one (Bauce Cordier: Belle Bonne) is wrong? (I checked in the Larousse and that's certainly the composer/name that score is given there).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:02:27 AM
Does that monosyllable imply that my guess for the other one (Bauce Cordier: Belle Bonne) is wrong? (I checked in the Larousse and that's certainly the composer/name that score is given there).


No, it is the Baude Cordier Belle Bonne Sage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
Another
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
13
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:05:34 PM
14
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:06:02 PM
15
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:07:05 PM
16
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matti on October 07, 2007, 12:17:18 PM
14: Szymanowski?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:21:58 PM
14: Szymanowski?

nope
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 01:10:47 PM
Another

Stravinsky Octet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:12:34 PM
I'm going to assume that my mis-spelt (misremembered) guess at BWV 11 was close enough to count!

12 - I thought part of this looked like Poulenc (reminded me of part of his Sinfonietta), but closer inspection leads me to: Stravinsky - Octet

14 looks to me like Carter, which would, I think, make it Changes or Shard. I think I'll guess the latter, for now.

working on the others....

edit - Larry got there first on the Stravinsky. Did you use the same method as me Larry?  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:28:46 PM
Wild guess at 16, based on the Bach quotation only, though the style elsewhere looks about right too: Smith Brindle: Variants on Two Themes of JS Bach
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:33:54 PM
No 13 - Brouwer: La Espiral eterna (wonderful stuff!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
No 13 - Brouwer: La Espiral eterna (wonderful stuff!)

Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:47:31 PM
Stravinsky Octet.

Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:47:47 PM
Wild guess at 16, based on the Bach quotation only, though the style elsewhere looks about right too: Smith Brindle: Variants on Two Themes of JS Bach

No
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
t

14 looks to me like Carter, which would, I think, make it Changes or Shard. I think I'll guess the latter, for now.


It is one of the two.  The gestures in passage copied is the inspiration for the title
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
It is one of the two.  The gestures in passage copied is the inspiration for the title

OK then, it is Changes. Looks like the music example of that piece in Schiff, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 02:32:38 PM
OK then, it is Changes. Looks like the music example of that piece in Schiff, too.

Correct
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:49:27 PM
OK, I have quite a few left, but it seems that no one wants to guess at them at the moment - I must say I'm quite surprised, as I'd have thought most of them were gettable with the clues I've given. However, I might as well give out a few more whilst waiting.

LO No 69 - an awesome passage from an awesome piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:50:31 PM
LO 70
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:53:34 PM
LO 71 - one for Guido, when he returns to the thread. The beginning of the coda of this clever and fun piece, based on - believe it or not - Donna Summer's I Feel Love!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
LO 72
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:02:35 PM
LO 73
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:03:28 PM
LO 74
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:11:25 PM
LO 75
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:12:44 PM
LO 76
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 03:52:54 PM
edit - Larry got there first on the Stravinsky. Did you use the same method as me Larry?  ;)

Not knowing what method you used, Luke, I would say yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 03:54:11 PM
OK, I have quite a few left, but it seems that no one wants to guess at them at the moment

Not a matter of not wanting, just preoccupied with other things.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
76 is Messiaen - Couleurs de la Cité céleste? (don't see the piano though)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:06:27 PM
That's because it isn't Couleurs... but you've got the right composer, and the right period. This page exhibits a technique which he didn't use elsewhere AFAIK (unless it's buried in St Francois somewhere) and which otherwise is most closely associated with Schumann, of all people.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 04:08:02 PM
70- Schoenberg's String Sextet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:08:55 PM
Not knowing what method you used, Luke, I would say yes.

Good, thought so. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:10:59 PM
70- Schoenberg's String Sextet?

No. I think this is the only piece written for this combination of instruments, but it is fairly well-known. A gorgeous work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 04:32:10 PM
That's because it isn't Couleurs... but you've got the right composer, and the right period. This page exhibits a technique which he didn't use elsewhere AFAIK (unless it's buried in St Francois somewhere) and which otherwise is most closely associated with Schumann, of all people.

Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum then? 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:55:58 PM
That's the one. And the unusual technique on this page is what Messiaen calls 'melodie par manques' - that is, the illusion of a melodic line is created by the notes of a chord disappearing; the memory of each note, after it is gone, is what produces the impression of melody (though Messiaen helps this along by giving each note a little crescendo before it is cut off)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:18:05 PM
Another batch

BWV17
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
bwv18
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:19:06 PM
bwv19
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:19:35 PM
bwv20
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:20:10 PM
bwv21
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
bwv19


That's Liszt's Nuages Gris.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 06:17:59 PM
bwv21

BWV21, of course.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 08, 2007, 07:49:13 AM
Larry got the two I knew, so I've had to research a little. But, based on the scordatura in no 18 - Manuel Ponce: Sonata Meridional


(And btw, a nice page on it here (http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/Frary/ponce_sonatinas.htm) whose music examples tend to confirm my answer!   ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 08, 2007, 07:58:40 AM
Yes it is the Sonata Meridional.

Did you all really know BWV21 cantata from sight, or just guess at the ruse?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 08, 2007, 09:22:12 AM
Yes it is the Sonata Meridional.

Did you all really know BWV21 cantata from sight, or just guess at the ruse?

A good magician never reveals how he performs his tricks. But since I'm not much of a magician . . . .

It was obviously Bach, and the title Sinfonia meant it was obviously a cantata. So I tried to find a list of all Bach cantatas with sinfonias, which was easy, and then looked at the incipits to find a suitably mournful text. Once I had narrowed that down to a few candidates, I checked the scores, easily found the piece, and then the ruse fell into place.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 08, 2007, 10:06:22 AM
Yes it is the Sonata Meridional.

Did you all really know BWV21 cantata from sight, or just guess at the ruse?

In my case, I knew it was Bach, and it looked very familiar - I knew it was on one of the more sorrowful-themed Cantata CDs I have, and I also knew that BWV 21 was the most likely. However, I wasn't thinking in terms of BWV numbers, I just had 'sense' of which work it was, without that work's actual name and number coming to mind, so I didn't notice your hidden message! I was going to go to that CD and play through the likely tracks, but Larry came up trumps first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 08, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
I couldn't find the place in the score from one listen through of the last movement, but my best guess would be Gulda's outrageous and hilarious cello concerto - instrumentation seems right too... But given that I can't find the place in the recording, I'm really not sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 08, 2007, 11:28:45 PM
No, it isn't that. I will be delighted if this is a bit of the repertoire you don't know yet - you'll like this piece. I'll cobble together some clues later, but a brief description of the piece: movement 1 is somewhat based on Mood Indigo (it is a 'New York' piece); movement 2 is more 'west coast', with minimalist tendencies, a crazy cadenza and then this disco coda. Sounds bonkers, but its actually a very effective piece and not at all jokey to my mind.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 09, 2007, 12:27:41 AM
The composer of the piece:

died in the early 1990s, younger than was fair.

was composer in residence at my old college, but a long time before I was there

his last piece was an 'apotheosis of the march' for brass quintet, in which the five players are called on to impersonate Margaret Thatcher, Stalin, Che Guevara, Hitler and Mao Tse Tung, using props such as hand-bag, beret, tunic, moustache....

was on a Peel Session in the late 60s (one week after the day my sister was born, so it seems, if that helps  ;D ), on which he played a selection from Cage's Sonatas and Interludes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 09, 2007, 10:16:37 AM
LO 73 looks like it must be from the Book of Elements but I can't place it -- is it from Book II?

BWV20 is the fugue from BWV 997, a very beautiful piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 09, 2007, 11:14:05 AM
Aha - no 73 is a bit of a party piece. It isn't the Book of Elements (though that's a score I wish I had). A couple of big hints:

1) try to play it through. You will find it not hard but, strictly speaking, impossible

2) as you try to play it through, try not to accent at the barlines. Let the music speak for itself. You will probably find you know it very well indeed. The whole piece works in the way that you ought to discover, so that at the end not a stone is left unturned; the cumulative effect is, in context, rather moving, strangely enough.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 09, 2007, 11:26:08 AM

BWV20 is the fugue from BWV 997, a very beautiful piece.

Correct - its one of my favorite Bach fugues
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 09, 2007, 11:37:53 AM
I don't know that piece at all, even with all the composer clues. I am excited to find out what it is.

Do you know the Gulda concerto? - its a hoot!

EDIT: A little bit of googling, and I will gues the composer is Tim Souster. I haven't heard of him, or the cello piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 09, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
EDIT: A little bit of googling, and I will gues the composer is Tim Souster. I haven't heard of him, or the cello piece.

That's some nice Googling! Correct - he's a very interesting figure, right at the heart of the Stockhausen phenomenon in the 60s and 70s, and an innovator in his own right, though this piece shows neither to any extent (also like the idea of him performing on Peel). The name of the piece shouldn't be too hard to find.

Nice to know I've got a quality cello+ensemble piece you don't know, Guido - there aren't too many of them around! To keep up your appetite, here's a low quality sample of the end of the last movement, including the page which I used for my example. I've started at the end of the 'minimalist' section; the music breaks off abruptly into a series of tongue-in-cheek, gestural, avant-garde poses, before momentum builds up (over ostinati on Morrocan pottery drums). This too breaks off into the Donna Summer-inspired 'Disco coda'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 09, 2007, 03:43:14 PM
Is it just called Sonata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:02:53 AM
Certainly is. Nice and simple.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:46:31 AM
I gave big clues to all my left-overs a while ago, and whilst some were found, I'm very conscious of having some last dregs remaining. I'm not sure if everyone's seen those clues, so here they are again, with even more information added in places.

44  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)  - we’ve established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I’ll add that he is one of those much-lamented ‘died-too-soon’ composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I’ll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer’s output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an ‘Eastern’ title. I don't think I can give more clues than this.

53  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947) - as I said, an early, unrecorded work by a major composer. The text, as you can see, is from the Corpus Christi Carol, set by, among others, Britten, though this is evidently not him. The title of this text might help you with the title of this piece, however. The piece is English, though I hope that is evident and dates, IIRC, from the 50s

55  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - If I say this composer was the son-in-law of an even more famous composer, will that be saying too much? Well, he was, the junior partner of possibly the best-known father/son-in-law parternship in composition; his most famous work is in part a memorial to his father-in-law, and in part a memorial to his wife. This example isn't from that work, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece.

57  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - The main truism about this composer is that he could have been even more successful had he not been lazy. He is essentially a composer of exquisite miniatures, whether for solo piano or for orchestra, the latter often using folk tunes or folk tales as a starting point (as indeed is the case in this example). In some respects (and only some) he is comparable to the early, Chopinesque Scriabin - fondness for extreme key signatures, tiny wraithlike piano pieces (often Preludes, a la Scriabin) etc. An extra couple of clues - he is Russian, and a year off being an exact contemporary of my favourite composer.

58  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953) - Larry’s nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It’s an awesome work, in its own way.

59 and  60  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539) - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of ……….esque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. The two pieces also share the same title, a generic title common to their model, and also to his model. Extra clue - the 'model' I am talking had extreme religious delusions, but, at the height of his God-complex he died of a boil on the lip.

62  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form.

63  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - Look at the melody line carefully: you will almost certainly know it; on line 3 it transfers itself to the top of the left hand. Extra clue - the melody you are looking for is by another composer than the composer of this work (i.e. the work is based on another piece); also, that earlier piece is by a Polish composer.
 
65  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541) - a little-known piano piece by Debussy, it has been determined. Remember where the best collections of scores online are to be found and root around....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2007, 05:35:45 AM
57  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) -
An extra couple of clues - he is Russian, and a year off being an exact contemporary of my favourite composer.

Lyadov?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 10, 2007, 05:43:41 AM


55  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - If I say this composer was the son-in-law of an even more famous composer, will that be saying too much? Well, he was, the junior partner of possibly the best-known father/son-in-law parternship in composition; his most famous work is in part a memorial to his father-in-law, and in part a memorial to his wife. This example isn't from that work, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece.

57  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - The main truism about this composer is that he could have been even more successful had he not been lazy. He is essentially a composer of exquisite miniatures, whether for solo piano or for orchestra, the latter often using folk tunes or folk tales as a starting point (as indeed is the case in this example). In some respects (and only some) he is comparable to the early, Chopinesque Scriabin - fondness for extreme key signatures, tiny wraithlike piano pieces (often Preludes, a la Scriabin) etc. An extra couple of clues - he is Russian, and a year off being an exact contemporary of my favourite composer.

Based on these clues, it sounds like Suk and Liadov. I apologize for being too lazy to check to see if anyone has guessed these composers yet.  Of course I have no ideas about the identity of the pieces.

I'm lazy today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 05:47:12 AM
Yep, that's right, guys - 55 = Suk; 57 = Liadov. Told you they were easy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2007, 05:58:17 AM
63  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - Look at the melody line carefully: you will almost certainly know it; on line 3 it transfers itself to the top of the left hand. Extra clue - the melody you are looking for is by another composer than the composer of this work (i.e. the work is based on another piece); also, that earlier piece is by a Polish composer.

Argh! This is so irritating! >:( I wish there was some way I could drag over my monitor to the piano so I could actually really hear what this sounds like... I'll just go and leaf through my Chopin scores to see if he's guilty of being the prototype... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 02:04:45 PM
.....and?

 ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2007, 12:19:53 PM
Please forgive another new one - I just discovered this one, and thought I'd share...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 01:41:29 PM
Alfredo Casella - A la Maniere de..., Premiere Serie, Op. 17

.....and?

 ;)

Sorry, still haven't had the time to do it... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2007, 01:48:17 PM
Alfredo Casella - A la Maniere de..., Premiere Serie, Op. 17

yes, but a la maniere de qui?  ;D  ;D

Sorry, still haven't had the time to do it... :-\

How weird - you get the one I thought was hard straight away, but the one I think is one of the easiest is proving trickier...

you were on the right lines, BTW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
I'm sure I'll be slapping my head real hard when I, or someone else figures it out. Right now I'm at the stage of "I know I know it - I just can't recognize it at the moment". ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
OK, believe it or not but I had no idea Godowsky's transcriptions were such an enormously thick volume (re the first clue you gave us) - that really had me searching in the wrong direction. Plus, of course, the Chopin's Studies happened to be one of the last volumes I leafed through - and you deliberately chose the LAST ONE! Argh! ;) (I actually suspected some sort of foul play, and went for all the odd meters first... ::))

It was great fun, actually! 8) :D

My answer:
LO 63 - Leopold Godowsky - Studies after Frederic Chopin - Trois Etudes... No. 2, First Version (Second Version, not all that different, is for the left hand alone :o :o :o :o :o)
based on Chopin's A flat Major, actually no. 3, from Trois nouvelles etudes

If I'll be playing through anything at all this week - it will most certainly have to be the original of this one! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 12, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
Please forgive another new one - I just discovered this one, and thought I'd share...
uhhhhhhh
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:01:50 PM
Luke has almost posted a hundred already, and I've only posted 10 so far. So I figure it's about time added some more of those nationally challenged scores of mine. Coming up in a moment...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:41:49 PM
16 of them in all. Here are the first 5.

MM11
MM11 is one of the most beautiful pieces of contemporary music I've heard recently - I was a bit obsessed with it for a while recently. It is played extremely slowly (this is page four of the score, and it begins past the fourth minute of the piece!). The piece quotes a certain composition by a certain very, very famous composer extensively. MM11 is one in a series, all written using a similar "technique".
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM11.jpg)

MM12
This is not my favorite piece by this composer but I've come to appreciate it much more recently. And it is certainly the most interesting of his scores that I've seen. If you've ever heard the piece it won't take you a minute to recognize the sung melody noted in the middle of the page. Incidentally, the composer of MM13 has also written a large piece which has a section with very similar melodic elements (at least to my ear). I think they both quoted from the same (folk) material but am not sure.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM12.jpg)

MM13
This piece contains lots of minuscule quotes from a certain composer, most of them difficult to notice at first. One especially blatant one is the last couple of notes before the strings come in...  The quotes won't lead you to the composer or title of this piece straight away but at least you'll get a hint at the subtitle of it. :P
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM13.jpg)

MM14
I've left a major clue here so I don't think any comment will be necessary.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM14.jpg)

MM15
What you may take to be some sort of lead here, may in fact turn out to be very misleading... How's that for a cryptic clue? ;D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM15.jpg)
OK, a bit more: young composer. I'm not really that much of a fan, and this piece isn't exactly a masterpiece - but I love the way it manages to look relatively simple while it is at times very complex rhythmically (well, perhaps not on this page...).

Next 5 coming up in a sec.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 01:45:09 PM
[whilst Maciek's new ones are loading!]


OK, believe it or not but I had no idea Godowsky's transcriptions were such an enormously thick volume (re the first clue you gave us) - that really had me searching in the wrong direction. Plus, of course, the Chopin's Studies happened to be one of the last volumes I leafed through - and you deliberately chose the LAST ONE! Argh! ;) (I actually suspected some sort of foul play, and went for all the odd meters first... ::))

It was great fun, actually! 8) :D

My answer:
LO 63 - Leopold Godowsky - Studies after Frederic Chopin - Trois Etudes... No. 2, First Version (Second Version, not all that different, is for the left hand alone :o :o :o :o :o)
based on Chopin's A flat Major, actually no. 3, from Trois nouvelles etudes

If I'll be playing through anything at all this week - it will most certainly have to be the original of this one! 8)

Yes, this is it of course - obvious in retrospect, isn't it?

Actually, I think this first version is a lot harder than the left hand only one, and also, obviously, much more sophisticated - one of the finest of the whole set. Godowsky's elaborations are often maligned, but there are a good handful of them that are really stunning reimaginings of the originals, and this is one of them. Hamelin calls this one

Quote from: Hamelin
a true marvel....four hyperflorid, beautifully complex variations [e.g. 3 against 4 against 6 against 9] all totally different in their rhythmic intricacies - the closest relative to this transcription....is Henry Cowell's short piano piece Fabric. Godowsky's level of inspiration reaches new heights in this setting, especially in the last section [my sample page] where a gorgeous countermelody soars above the main music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 01:54:25 PM
So I suppose your new no 14 must be Vytautas Bacevičius  - Vision

The other ones look tricky, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:56:14 PM
[Edit: I've added a link to MM18 and MM20, so you can download it and see it full size - just click on the image to do that.]

MM16
Relatively famous where I live... And the text is massively famous. (Nice choice of adverb, don't you think?)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM16.jpg)

MM17
This contemporary composer is quite well known. He isn't very prolific, and not all of his pieces are top shelf material. This one, IMHO, happens to be one of the more effective ones, even if the effect is reached through the use of a very stripped down technique. This is one of the more striking pages (it may not look striking but in its context it does sound quite striking, especially with a good vocalist).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM17.jpg)

MM18
You'll notice there's a quote here right away. But I'm not sure if recognizing that will lead you any closer to the answer - unless, of course, you know the piece. It happens to be the last thing this composer ever wrote. And perhaps his best composition (IMO).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM18.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM18.jpg)

MM19
I have come to believe that cycle might be the composer's very best work, even if it isn't as celebrated as many of his other pieces.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM19.jpg)

MM20
I believe this page is proof that this composer still had it in him, despite the fact that most of his output at the time he composed this was rather mediocre. It is sometimes thought that the reason for that was the quite traditional style he chose to employ but this piece (and a few others) show that he was in fact capable of writing quite effective stuff as long as he kept it short. :P Not a masterpiece perhaps but an enjoyable entry into the choral repertoire.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM20.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM20.jpg)

Actually, I think this first version is a lot harder than the left hand only one, and also, obviously, much more sophisticated - one of the finest of the whole set. Godowsky's elaborations are often maligned, but there are a good handful of them that are really stunning reimaginings of the originals, and this is one of them.

Yes, and the page you posted is very beautiful.

So I suppose your new no 14 must be Vytautas Bacevičius  - Vision

That was quick! But then that really was an enormous clue, wasn't it? Can't think of another Grażyna it could be... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:57:16 PM
And 4+2 more coming in a moment. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:01:22 PM
MM21
I'm guessing this will be very, very easy... VERY famous composer, and we've had him here before.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM21.jpg)

MM22
For clues - see above (though this is somebody else).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM22.jpg)

MM23
This looks quite nice, doesn't it?
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM23.jpg)

MM24
Looks very much like everything else by this composer that I've ever seen. I've seen very little, mind you! ;D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM24.jpg)

Last 2 in a moment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:03:45 PM
MM25
One of the very few "serious" piano pieces by this composer that is easy enough for me to play. And an especially beautiful one, IMO. (Strange. I feel as if I had already used that phrase today...)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM25.jpg)

MM26
Oh, I just couldn't resist it...
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM26.jpg)

That's all for now, folks! Have fun! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 02:12:49 PM
Trying to keep up with Maciek's new ones - time for an updated list (sorry if this list's frequent recurrence is getting tedious, but it's easiest to keep it near the top, I think)

Oh, the no 25 is just loading - looks like one of Bartok's Bagatelles - no 3 IIRC

and no 23 is Cowell - Banshee

This bunch aren't Polish at all, are they!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - ? - (Steve/Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevičius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:23:12 PM
Oh, the no 25 is just loading - looks like one of Bartok's Bagatelles - no 3 IIRC

Precisely!

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and no 23 is Cowell - Banshee

Correct!

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This bunch aren't Polish at all, are they!

I hope you appreciate this entertaining element of surprise! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 02:40:45 PM
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words

That l.h. part reminded of l.h. parts in other Ives works (Three Page Sonata, IIRC), even though the rest of the piece is somewhat simpler than one would expect from an Ives score, so I tried lesser-known Ives first, and luckily hit the answer (I think). Though, typically for Ives, the performance on my CD didn't entirely match Maciek's score - it had the odd restrained but Concord Sonata-like accretion!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:49:15 PM
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words

That l.h. part reminded of l.h. parts in other Ives works (Three Page Sonata, IIRC), even though the rest of the piece is somewhat simpler than one would expect from an Ives score, so I tried lesser-known Ives first, and luckily hit the answer (I think). Though, typically for Ives, the performance on my CD didn't entirely match Maciek's score - it had the odd restrained but Concord Sonata-like accretion!

No need for apprehension - you are correct, as always! I chose it because it seems to be the only Ives score I own (and I own next to none :P) that I can (almost) play. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 01:10:45 AM
Good morning - I got very tired last night and had to give up in the middle of guessing. A couple more, I think: is no 16 by Moniuszko (the title of song being the first line of the text: Od dworu, spod lasa)? And no 26 never loaded beyond the tempo indication last night - I thought it was some kind of obscure joke! But now I can see the whole thing: it is the opening of the first movement of Zarebski's Les Roses et Les Epines, op 13. A very fine piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 04:22:05 AM
Good morning - I got very tired last night and had to give up in the middle of guessing. A couple more, I think: is no 16 by Moniuszko (the title of song being the first line of the text: Od dworu, spod lasa)?

Well, I can see how you got to that answer ((http://www.google.com/favicon.ico) ;D) but it's only partially correct... It is a ballade by Moniuszko (not one of the 3 or 4 most famous ones though) and it is sometimes (if rarely) referred to by the first words of the text but the title is in fact different. It is the same as that of the poem - so discovering it shouldn't be all that difficult.

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And no 26 never loaded beyond the tempo indication last night - I thought it was some kind of obscure joke!

Me and obscure jokes? Come on! Obscure - perhaps. Jokes - never! ;D

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But now I can see the whole thing: it is the opening of the first movement of Zarebski's Les Roses et Les Epines, op 13. A very fine piece.

Yes, it is! :)

You rule, Luke, did you know that? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 04:58:24 AM
Well, I can see how you got to that answer ((http://www.google.com/favicon.ico) ;D) but it's only partially correct... It is a ballade by Moniuszko (not one of the 3 or 4 most famous ones though) and it is sometimes (if rarely) referred to by the first words of the text but the title is in fact different. It is the same as that of the poem - so discovering it shouldn't be all that difficult.

Is it Rybka, then? I was getting rather confused....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 05:11:07 AM
Bingo! You are storming through these.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 05:23:39 AM
What I'm happiest about is that I've actually known a few of these straight off!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 11:08:32 AM
21 - Cage - Bacchanale.

Mostly by old fashioned stylistic analysis, because the print doesn't remind me of other Cage scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 11:53:10 AM
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpian Songs (no 2)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 03:00:40 PM
Very good! 8) (on both counts)

The (Cage) print comes from a Russian anthology - as did the Ives and Cowell.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
Very good! 8) (on both counts)

The (Cage) print comes from a Russian anthology - as did the Ives and Cowell.

That would explain it, yes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2007, 02:05:31 PM
Would this be a good moment to add some additional clues?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2007, 02:17:16 PM
I certainly need them! - don't know if anyone else is trying to solve them though...

BTW, I have more ready to roll if anyone is interested. Maybe my old ones should be solved first, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2007, 03:41:23 PM
OK. First of all, as a reminder, here are the numbers my unguessed ones: 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 20, 24.

Here are some clues:

2 of the composers are women. The names of both female composer start with the same letter! :o

These composers come from 3 different countries. One of the composers is American, all the rest are Europeans.

All of the composers are contemporary. ::)

Except for one, all of the composers can safely be called famous - meaning that they are considered to be among the very best contemporary composers of their respective countries. If very hard pressed I would unwillingly cross out one more - but the remaining 6 really are among the strictly selected creme de la creme.

Except for one, all of the composers are alive today.

Two of the composers have already had their scores featured here, and the name of one more has appeared in the (incorrect) guesses.

Three of the composers have threads dedicated to them on GMG.

OK, I know these clues are vague but we have to start with something... ;D If there's any need for that ::), I'll become more specific later. Also, note that there are clues right next to the scores as well! (This might be a good time to admit that at least one of those is so highly subjective, it might even be misleading. :-\)

Luke, go ahead and post some more - they're always welcome. I might try giving your old ones another go tomorrow too, BTW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:29:27 AM
OK, some more. I've got loads, actually - Maciek said I'd nearly done 100, and I hadn't, but I may get that far today! Let's see how far I manage to get....

No 77 - a very famous composer we've already had on this thread. He's often somewhat maligned on this board, but in this, one of his finest works, and actually a really visionary work, we see that he was capable of great things.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:36:48 AM
No 78 - remember those two of mine -  59 and 60 - which I said were, for good reason, closely related in style to an older and better known composer? No one's got them yet, which surprises me. Anyway, the composer of this no 78 too is often said to resemble that same older composer (quite an influential figure!), but in this case the younger composer reached maturity and was able to carve out his own stylistic world.

Edit - in post 1000 Greg guessed this one to be Scriabin; it isn't, but as I said in post 1001, he is that elusive model I've talked about. Which, as I've said, relates back to numbers 59 and 60 too. A big clue, in fact.

Back to this one - if you look closely (bottom line), you will see a notational rarity which I personally have only seen in the music of this composer and in the theoretical writings of Riemann, though it probably exists elsewhere too.

The composer's name is the point here, rather than the piece's title, which is generic.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:38:50 AM
No 79 - a tricky one, I think. Clues on request, but put it this way - Maciek ought to get it first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 02:44:41 AM
Based on your description of 77 (without even looking at the score): could it by any chance be Elgar?

79: well, it's certainly a Polish composer, and a PWM score. Could it be Baird?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:50:45 AM
No 80 - another hard one. The fastidious handwriting is typical of this school of composers; this particular composer posts (or did) on the Radio 3 board sometimes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:57:01 AM
No 81 - I've discussed this composer and the group of pieces this is drawn from in the last few days. And, given that I haven't posted much these last few days, that is a big clue. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:00:44 AM
No 82 - no clues yet, I think there is enough in the substance of the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:06:08 AM
No 83 - a piece I have invariably mentioned when the thread 'most mournful/depressing etc. piece of music' comes round as it inevitably does. I've never heard anything like this piece for bleakness - my brother-in-law, quite a seasoned explorer of weird music, was taken aback by this piece ('like sticking your head in a wind tunnel' was his description), but this final movement is something of a consolation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:09:23 AM
No 84 - I could have chosen dozens of pages from this sparkling score, one of the finest works of the last thirty years that I know of IMO - the page where the music seems to compete with itself for ever quieter nuances*; the magical duet for low piccolo and high double bass harmonics, playing in melodic homophony.... The page I have chosen reveals the piece's link to spectralism; the composer is not a spectralist but has worked in that domain at times.

* ping-pong ball dropped in glass; newspaper ripped at varying dynamics.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:13:05 AM
Based on your description of 77 (without even looking at the score): could it by any chance be Elgar?

No, but that's fairly close

79: well, it's certainly a Polish composer, and a PWM score. Could it be Baird?

You're a bloody genius. Or do you remember my posting history.....? ;)

No 85 - no clues just yet, let's see if anyone recognises it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:13:45 AM
No 86 - comes from a set of pieces I have problems assessing. I adore them, but possibly because I played them a lot as a child. They seem very special to me, but are probably not. Another one for Maciek, I'd have thought - but that clue opens it up to all!  ;D Yes, it is Polish!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:35:15 AM
No 87 - the only composer out of this bunch that I have met. Does that help? This piece is an ultra-lyrical, nostalgic concerto which makes extensive and very beautiful use of quotation from various pieces (Monteverdi to Wagner and points between). Ideas of love, distance, memory, wind and sea lie behind the piece. The piece falls into sections, each based around a particular quoted piece; each section is linked by a recurrent quotation. Towards the bottom of this page you can see both quite clearly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 04:42:20 AM
You're a bloody genius. Or do you remember my posting history.....? ;)

Perhaps I shouldn't be revealing my technique but here goes:
1) The print style looks exactly the same as a couple of PWM Baird scores that I own. I mean exactly.
2) There's the Polish word "oddech" (breath).
3) It was a bit of a shot in the dark since this is only a page - but the texture reminds me of Baird too. (Except for that strange thing happening in the piano - but the asterisk could mean anything...)

And now that you've confirmed that it's Baird, I'm assuming it has to be Erotyki. I know most of Baird's song cycles pretty well. His only other soprano and orchestra cycle is Lyrical Suite, and it can't be that - that is a tonal cycle using folk (or folk-like) material, a bit like some of Lutoslawski's early songs. And yes, I do remember you mentioning you owned that score, so now I'm pretty sure. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:25:02 AM
Well, you're spot on!

Except that the 'strange thing' is not in the piano part - that's the timp part!  :o  Which of course makes it all the weirder....  [edit] on second thoughts, it is the piano part you mean - but it is the timp part which really amazes me here!


The problems continue, btw: every time I try to upload an image I get an error message 'the upload folder is full' - is this as ominous as it sounds? have we (well, mostly me) overworked the system? does this mean we need to delete some earlier images in order to have room for new ones?  OTOH, the board hasn't been functioning normally recently, so perhaps there's something going on I don't know about.

....a pity: we're one short of the 1000 post mark, too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 16, 2007, 05:26:42 AM
77- the notes are in English, so is this an American or British composer?

78- the rhythm looks like Scriabin, just a wild guess

80- handwriting looks like Ferneyhough, but that seems a little too obvious. It could possibly Birtwistle, too
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:35:02 AM
Well done Greg, you got post no 1000!

77 is a British composer

78 is not Scriabin, but he is the composer that the music resembles that I talk about in my clue. Which, if you read it carefully, links back to two earlier scores of mine. Now you know the model for them, you might be able to get them too.

80 is not Ferneyhough; the handwriting is more spidery than his. But it is from the 'Complexity' school. Which narrows down the field.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 16, 2007, 08:08:17 AM
#80 is Richard Barrett (all these NC ones are easy to identify by the handwriting!) and I guess it must be Coigitum, though that's a piece I've never heard or seen the score to.

Still don't know what that earlier one I got wrong could be -- my printer's out of ink and the piano's too far away to read the score off the screen  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 08:41:57 AM
Some hints on my remaining four:

2 have titles of taken from poems (one is by the same author of my signature tag)
1 is a transcription
the other is by a composer that Luke posted a different piece from
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 08:55:30 AM
#80 is Richard Barrett (all these NC ones are easy to identify by the handwriting!) and I guess it must be Coigitum, though that's a piece I've never heard or seen the score to.

That's correct - and a tricky one, I thought. You know your complexity scores well!

Still don't know what that earlier one I got wrong could be -- my printer's out of ink and the piano's too far away to read the score off the screen  >:(

Which one was that?

[edit] I think you mean my 73 - the one you thought was the Book of Elements. As I say, playing it will help, but so will my clue that playing it properly is not actually possible. Someone who writes piano pieces not playable by human hand - who does that make you think of  ;D  ;) ? Well, it isn't him  ;D.... but it is someone closely connected to him, and the underlying principle (conflicting tempi etc.) is the same. In this piece the different tempi (all notated via tuplets within one overarching tempo) are presenting different tunes, motives etc., each of which you will surely recognise. All these clues together, and a bare minimum of searching, should provide you with the answer.

Don't say I'm not generous with my clues!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 16, 2007, 10:20:15 AM
Well done Greg, you got post no 1000!
wow, what a surprise!  ;D


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 01:35:48 PM
Thanks to Rob's vigilance, I've been able to put nos. 81, 86 and 87 up on the previous page, so check back if you want to see them. I think my last pages must have been the straw that broke the camel's back, upload-folder-wise  :-[  :-[  :-[ but thankfully Rob's been able to double its size  :)  :)  :)

So on with the show:

No 88 - another score from which many pages could have been chosen, each revealing one of the special features of the music. The composer talked of this pieces as treating

Quote from: ? ? ? ?
'three contrasting types of continuity which, in their alternation, strongly affect our passage-of-time consciousness.

This piece uses a pretty straightforward twelve-tone technique. The composer was one of the main post-Schoenberg dodecaphonists.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 01:43:28 PM
No 89 - possibly the most famous piece I have quoted from. Should need no clues - but it's a bit nifty, I think!

[edit - sorry, I put up the wrong attachment first time!]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:44:03 PM
No 90 - yet another for Maciek, lucky guy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
No 91 - not my favourite work by this composer, but, it it's own way, one of the most amazing. This composer is usually linked with a particular school of composer, but the similarities are actually quite superficial. More clues on request.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:58:35 PM
No 92 - I said 89 was easy/well-known. This is equally famous, possibly (round these parts anyway) even more so. Should be found straight away, and I've put it up mostly because it is interesting.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:04:17 PM
No 93 - one of the blanked-out bits is the name of the composer. The other is significant, not because the figure named is famous (he isn't) but because presumably it would make googling too easy. However, there is enough here - in terms of look and musical style - to have a good guess at the composer. At which point one could try googling around the dedication to see if the guess is correct or not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 03:04:44 PM
LO 90.
My favorite Lutoslawski vocal work, possibly my favorite Lutosawski piece too... Paroles tissées. Actually, this is the first time I get a glimpse of the score! :D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:08:25 PM
LO 90.
My favorite Lutoslawski vocal work, possibly my favorite Lutosawski piece too... Paroles tissées. Actually, this is the first time I get a glimpse of the score! :D 8)

Correct - excellent!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:10:28 PM
No 94 - a piece which won the Pulitzer. There is an extra clue as to the title in the music itself, so this one shouldn't take long.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:16:48 PM
No 95 - a classic piece in early modernism and the transition to atonality. The odd-looking enharmonic notation of this page (meant to keep the canonic nature clear) is quite famous, and the expression marks are typical IMO. Should be quite straightforward.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:20:43 PM
No 96 - a piece I have mentioned elsewhere on this board. Was at one time considered the hardest piece in the piano repertoire, and though it may have been surpassed, it is still an iconic work. At the bottom of the page is a big clue. The piece is dedicated to and was premiered by a composer-pianist one of whose scores I've already posted on this thread (and the answer has been found)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
No 97 - a great and quite well-known (though not as much as it should be) masterpiece by a major figure. This page contains typical fingerprints both of the composer in general and ones special to this piece AFAIK.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:26:18 PM
No 98 - The composer should be fairly obvious just from the look of the score. At first glance, this seems to be an unusually colouristic, non-motivic, page. However, after a certain date this composer began to use simple colour-points like this as motives in their own right; this and the unusual orchestration are clues as to the identity of the piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:31:27 PM
No 99 - this is the final variation of a set, though the piece isn't called 'Variations' except in the subtitle. The theme is pretty clear here, though you may need to play it. Once you've identified it, the composer and piece ought to  become easier to find, I hope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
no. 92 is Mahler's 10th. The big-ass dissonant chord, in its 5th movement incarnation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
No 100 - those who've read my composer's thread will hopefully recognise a piece here! I have identified this piece on my thread (though possibly not since its original incarnation on the previous GMG) so there's plenty to go on here. Whilst you're looking, check out the Da Capo and other markings on the piece on the right hand page  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: Mark
no. 92 is Mahler's 10th. The big-ass dissonant chord, in its 5th movement incarnation.

Correct, Mark. With Mahler's original sketches at the bottom of the page - this is Cooke's performing version, of course. This same passage (or the first movement version) is also referenced in my LO 13, a passage from John Adam's Harmonielehre

No 101 - very easy. No clues.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 03:46:21 PM
no. 94 must by one of William Bolcom's "New Etudes". I say this mostly on the basis of the clue, and of the stride bass line, and a reference to "as in Etude I"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:49:04 PM
That's correct, Mark. The Pulitzer thing was one clue, the internal reference to another Etude was another. This particular one is called Rag infernal (Syncopes apocalytiques)  :D



No 102 - a great description of this piece in one book:

Quote
[mystery piece x], with its Afro-Cuban percussion section, and a Hollywood-style finale with touches of the macabre of Shostakovich, must be one of the most banal ever written.

 ;D
There may be some disagreement about that, of course! The tune that stats on this page is a great little diatonic, memorable, jazzy melody typical of this composer, who had a fine melodic sense among other gifts.

My wife once danced with him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:53:26 PM
No 103 - yet another for Maciek, though I hope others get it too. This piece is typical of its composer in, among other things, its formal techniques. A very Bergian example of this begins at the second bar on this page though (and this is another clue) you'd need to see the previous pages to see it properly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 03:55:16 PM
no. 101 looks like Soviet typeface. Strings and percussion. My guess is Shotakovich's 14th.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 03:56:32 PM
Subtract 10, Mark.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 03:57:24 PM
Very good guess, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:58:23 PM
No 104 - earlier on this thread I tentatively guessed at a score based on a similarity to another piece. I was wrong. But FWIW this is that piece. It is a very fine work by a very famous composer, not as well-known among his compositions as it should be.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
No 105 - not long to go now! Another very famous composer, though this is one of his lesser-known, early works; it exists in different versions. Lots of features that make it identifiable, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:04:28 PM
No 106 - the biggest score in my collection. Composer is easy, piece might be less so. Bonus points (if we were awarding points) go if you can name the instruments playing here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
Luke, just wanted to say that though my own participation has been lowest of key, I really enjoy and appreciate your efforts and hosting here.

I still expect a finished Canticle Sonata, though!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:07:23 PM
No 107 - edition, handwriting and therefore, I think, composer are quite clear. Which means it is quite easy to narrow it down to the correct piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:13:32 PM
Hey, Karl, it's Sean's thread to host, not mine. I've just rather taken over, I'm afraid! (and feel rather sheepish about it - still, I always said I was addicted to scores, and now you all know it only too well). I wonder if Sean knows what a monster he spawned.

Re. the Canticle doodad - yes, I keep forgetting about that. I've made the necessary alterations (or I think I have), but I'm unhappy with the first movement, and am letting it lie fallow for a while before I rip its heart out  ;D I will get back to you, I promise.

Oh, and if as you hint you know no 101, and I'm sure you do, don't keep it to yourself! A stunning page, knocks me for six every time....[edit - sorry, brainfreeze going on here. Didn't take in the point of your 'subtract 10' - yes, it is the mad string-thing from Shostakovich 4, of course.]

Three more, then I'll stop, trust me!

No 108 - one of my favourite pieces. I was once, more than two years ago, all primed to lead a GMG discussion on this work. Had my introductory posts written and everything……I digress. This page, which comes towards the end of the piece but before its climax, exhibits most of its characteristic traits - its instrumentation, its tonal dichotomy, its metrical dichotomy, its most prominent, binding motive (here in the process of dissolving), and the end of an important figure in the vocal line.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:15:08 PM
No 109 - is this where Phil Glass got his ideas from?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:17:08 PM
Last one!

No 110 - from a series of for pieces written for the left hand of the aging Britten, as you can see (I presume this is to do with the fact that Britten lost the use of his right arm in later years)

And that'll do for now, you'll be pleased to hear. Have fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:20:11 PM
Once again, the full hyperlinked list. I think it's worth it after my latest splurge...

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass ‘Quoniam’ - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval ‘Chopin’ - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United… - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude ‘L‘escalier….’ - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus ‘what is the link’
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka ‘Last’! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry, just saw this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)



Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn’t know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn’t find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called ‘A cage went in search of a bird’ (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevičius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 04:23:02 PM
Hey, Karl, it's Sean's thread to host, not mine. I've just rather taken over, I'm afraid!

We're all grateful you took the place in hand :-)

Quote from: Luke
Oh, and if as you hint you know no 101, and I'm sure you do, don't keep it to yourself! A stunning page, knocks me for six every time....

I was sure you posted it particularly for me  ;D

It's the [in-]famous string fugato mid-way through the first movement of the Shostakovich Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Opus 43.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:27:03 PM

It's the [in-]famous string fugato mid-way through the first movement of the Shostakovich Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Opus 43.

Yes, see edit above - I got there eventually! My mind is going....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2007, 04:42:40 PM
LO93 is the Bridge Sonata. I guessed because the typesetting looks exactly like my edition of the cello sonata - surely Boosey must have printed other pieces with this typesetting, but I haven't seen them. Funny how things like that happen. Also the 'Andante ben moderato' is a direction he uses quite a lot, so that was also a clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
Is LO110 Skempton? I once saw a piano piece of his that looks very similar to this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:54:05 PM
Blimey - both correct! Very impressive indeed, in both cases.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 04:59:19 PM
no. 97 looks like Sibelius, especially the clarinet part. Luonnotar perhaps?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:03:15 PM
They're tumbling like dominoes...... :)

Yes, and what a fine piece it is. The clarinet line and the string figure is typical Sibelius; the harp figure, which goes on for bars, is a hallmark of this particular piece, one of Sibelius's very best IMO
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:42:50 PM
81- MacDowell -Sonata Eroica
82 - Henry Martin: Preludes and Fugues?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:51:34 PM
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
96 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:58:06 PM
99 Richard Rodney Bennett - Noctuary
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 02:13:35 AM
81- MacDowell -Sonata Eroica
Yes
82 - Henry Martin: Preludes and Fugues?
No
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina
Yes
96 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum
No
99 Richard Rodney Bennett - Noctuary
Yes

Good work!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 AM
91 is Dillon's East 11th St NY 10003

96 is Xenakis's Herma

106 must be from Firecycle Beta, are they all timps? Great percussion writing in that piece...

107 is from Crumb's 5 piano pieces
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 06:57:31 AM
91 is Dillon's East 11th St NY 10003

Yes

96 is Xenakis's Herma

Yes

106 must be from Firecycle Beta, are they all timps? Great percussion writing in that piece...

No. But right composer. And right instruments  :o - microtonal canonic writing for timp harmonics.....

107 is from Crumb's 5 piano pieces

Yes

You really know your complexity scores, don't you!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 07:01:46 AM
...I'm wondering why, with these ones being tracked down so quickly, my previous ones seem to have been hard to do. IMO they are no more difficult, and I gave more clues to them too....

they're still available for anyone who wants to retry...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 17, 2007, 07:06:40 AM
No. But right composer. And right instruments  :o - microtonal canonic writing for timp harmonics.....

Is it Transit then...? I thought that seemed more likely but couldn't find this bit in my recording.

You really know your complexity scores, don't you!

I got the Skempton one too, honest...!

Also, I'm sure I recognise #105 -- could we get a clue?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 17, 2007, 07:20:51 AM
Subtract 10, Mark.
:(
i actually could've gotten that one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 08:24:10 AM
Is it Transit then...? I thought that seemed more likely but couldn't find this bit in my recording.

That's the one. You won't find it quite like this on the recording, because superimposed over the top of this music is the slowly-evolving 'Vocal model' which is written separately on the first page of the score. This is page three, so very near the beginning, fairly shortly after the timps come in under the voices. One of Ferneyhough's most attractive pieces, I think.

Also, I'm sure I recognise #105 -- could we get a clue?

Hmm, let me think. It's not from a concerto, though this extremely famous and important composer did write concertos later on. The music bears the traces of its nationality, and when you've got that, the composer is quite obvious I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 08:30:52 AM
I got the Skempton one too, honest...!

:(
i actually could've gotten that one!

That's the only problem with this thread - we've all got loads, I'm sure, that have been snaffled up by someone else before we can get to them! ...looking over the list of scores I can count at least 22 that I 'could have' got!  >:( ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 12:02:41 PM
LO 103 - well, the teasing worked but this wasn't an easy one:

After staring long, very long, and hard, hard, hard at it, just when I was about to give up (even though all along I felt I knew the "melody" played by the celesta and glockenspiel) it came to me:

Andrzej Panufnik - Autumn Music

I do have to say, the first 3 bars totally confused me, and got me looking in a totally wrong direction (Kilar? Krauze??). It didn't help that I haven't heard this piece in a very long while. All I'm saying is this: I'm very proud of myself this time, and I expect everyone to appreciate the titanic struggle I had to go through to guess this. ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 12:05:17 PM
When (and if) you ever get the Lullaby score, Luke, you absolutely have to post a snippet here. Though I suspect that one would be even more difficult to guess. Or maybe not, considering one "detail" I know about it... :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 04:30:28 PM
LO 103 - well, the teasing worked but this wasn't an easy one:

After staring long, very long, and hard, hard, hard at it, just when I was about to give up (even though all along I felt I knew the "melody" played by the celesta and glockenspiel) it came to me:

Andrzej Panufnik - Autumn Music

I do have to say, the first 3 bars totally confused me, and got me looking in a totally wrong direction (Kilar? Krauze??). It didn't help that I haven't heard this piece in a very long while. All I'm saying is this: I'm very proud of myself this time, and I expect everyone to appreciate the titanic struggle I had to go through to guess this. ;D

Well then, all hail Maciek  etc. etc.  ;D

Seriously, well done!

Those first three bars, though, are not meant to confuse. The barline between the first and second of them is the pivot on which the work turns - from that point on an enormous retrograde a la Berg begins
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 04:38:01 PM
Just to spur you on, I must emphasize that numbers 89 and 109 are works most of you will know.

These ones are all going so fast, I haven't thought about giving out clues. But maybe I'll begin to do so for the remaining ones tomorrow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 04:39:18 PM
Those first three bars, though, are not meant to confuse. The barline between the first and second of them is the pivot on which the work turns - from that point on an enormous retrograde a la Berg begins

Ha, ha. Now that I know what it is, it doesn't seem confusing at all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:01:43 AM
Seeing as my newest set are going so quickly, here are some more! In for a penny.....

no 111 - big clues here in the substance of the music. Less of a clue, though deliciously ironic when you know the subject of the piece, is the cheeky quotation from Heldenleben in the oboe part on the last bar of this example.

If you know the tonal habits of this composer, especially in his early works, of which this is one, then the key change you see at the end of the line provides another clue - this is his favourite and habitual key contrast. But if you know him that well, you will know what this piece is anyway!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:07:36 AM
112 - this piece takes another work and swathes it in layers of complex figuration and dense chromaticism. The piece it is based on is one of my very favourites, and its composer considered it his finest work; IMO this later piece too, though very strange, is utterly gorgeous, and as a pianist it is one of my favourite pieces to play.

The composer of this work has already appeared more than once on this thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:08:37 AM
113 - a very well known work, its composer most public masterpiece. I take a memorable page in which a number of fanfare motives are presented; these ideas haunt many pages of the whole work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:18:49 AM
114 - a piece which Guido ought to know  ;) A beautiful, seductive and wonderfully-written work for violin and small orchestra, in a 'post tonal' (whatever that means) neo-romantic kind of vein. This composer is often known as a post-modernist, however. Whatever school he is pigeon-holed in, this is a very fine work. The centre of the piece seems to me to be based around a slightly distorted version of the subject of the D major Fugue from Book 2 of the WTC, and though I haven't read that this is intentional, I'm pretty sure, knowing the way this composer works, that it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:19:48 AM
115 - no clues to start with, I think there are many here who will get this quite quickly
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:28:21 AM
116 - if you look carefully at the instrumentation, you will see that this piece anticipates Ligeti by decades  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:28:51 AM
117 - the piece that launched its composer quite spectacularly. A bonus point if you know who took loudhailer part 6 of this page in this piece's only recording.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2007, 03:04:23 AM
No movement in my set, so I'm adding some more clues. First, let me remind you of the previous ones:

OK. First of all, as a reminder, here are the numbers my unguessed ones: 11, 12, 13, 15 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752), 17, 18, 20 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760), 24 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765).

Here are some clues:

2 of the composers are women. The names of both female composer start with the same letter! :o

These composers come from 3 different countries. One of the composers is American, all the rest are Europeans.

All of the composers are contemporary. ::)

Except for one, all of the composers can safely be called famous - meaning that they are considered to be among the very best contemporary composers of their respective countries. If very hard pressed I would unwillingly cross out one more - but the remaining 6 really are among the strictly selected creme de la creme.

Except for one, all of the composers are alive today.

Two of the composers have already had their scores featured here, and the name of one more has appeared in the (incorrect) guesses.

Three of the composers have threads dedicated to them on GMG.

OK, I know these clues are vague but we have to start with something... ;D If there's any need for that ::), I'll become more specific later. Also, note that there are clues right next to the scores as well! (This might be a good time to admit that at least one of those is so highly subjective, it might even be misleading. :-\)

And now I'm giving you one clue per piece but I have scrambled them, so you won't know which clue goes for which piece:

This piece was written for what is probably the most famous church in its country. The most characteristic part is the opening which has the choir recite the text of a well known prayer repetitively, in a slow crescendo, starting with a whisper. Only then does the orchestra come in. The composer is very well known, also for his film scores (the earliest of which are, IMO, the best thing this composer has written so far). We've had a score by this composer here before. (this was no. 17, guessed by Luke)

The most famous piece by this composer is based on the numbers 7 and 13.

The composer of this work is definitely the most famous living composer from this country. Almost a cult figure. This composer has developed a very peculiar brand of music which could be called folk inspired minimalism. The example comes from this composer's most famous work. It is the second part of a cycle comprised of four large works. It is scored for, among others, certain ancient folk instruments which in performance are usually substituted by their modern classical counterparts.

This is the last work this composer completed before death. The subject of the text the music is set to is death itself. This can probably be guessed if you identify the really obvious quote of an extremely famous theme. The largest work this composer ever wrote was an opera (this composer only wrote one). This composer's work seems to have been inspired by literature very often - for instance, this composer would entitle pieces by using the names of literary genres.

The title of this piece has something to do with the seasons. The subtitle, OTOH, evokes the Christian name of a certain very famous Romantic composer. The season evoked in the title is the time of the year when this Romantic composer died. The quotations in this piece are always very tiny, most of the music is newly written but in close imitation of the style, or at least spirit, of the composer being evoked. The composer of this piece has also written several other pieces evoking the work of other composers but they don't really form a cycle of any sort.

The composer of this work is very well known in his/her country. Still, AFAIK, there's only one CD dedicated solely to this composer's work, and that is a recording of a Requiem mass. This composer has written a series of pieces the titles of which reflect the composer's attitude towards the musical past. This is one of them. If you recognize the material the composer is using here (a piece by a certain very famous Romantic composer), all you'll need to do is take the generic title our composer uses for this series and fill in the blank. Of course, recognizing the material might prove a bit difficult.

This composer is known for a tendency to write overblown gigantic oratorios which drag on for hours. This composer started off as an epitome of the avantgarde in music but in later years moved to safer, "reactionary" positions. ;) The title of this untypically smaller work has something to do with angels. I have to admit I'm not sure if this hasn't been included into one of the composer's larger scores - this composer is known to sometimes do that. (this was no. 20, guessed by Luke)

This composer was born in 1965. This composer isn't exactly world famous but is very well known in a certain seaside town. The piece is for a singing pianist. The text comes from a poem by a poet probably unknown in English speaking countries. He is not even known in Poland (though a small volume of his poems came out a couple of years ago).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 04:22:22 AM
Cool - I’ll look through those later, though I’ve got some ideas buzzing around now….

I too come bearing clues! I'm determined that I'm not going to reveal the answers to my old remaining ones - though there's one here from early September! So ttt with my old clues. In places (bold) I’ve added new hints. I‘ve also appended clues for those of my more recent ones (not today's batch) which still remain.

44 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)  - we’ve established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I’ll add that he is one of those much-lamented ‘died-too-soon’ composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I’ll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer’s output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an ‘Eastern’ title. I don't think I can give more clues than this.

53 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947) - as I said, an early, unrecorded work by a major composer. The text, as you can see, is from the Corpus Christi Carol, set by, among others, Britten, though this is evidently not him. The title of this text might help you with the title of this piece, however. The piece is English, though I hope that is evident and dates, IIRC, from the 50s

55 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - Already established - this is Suk. This example isn't from Asrael, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece.

57 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - Already established - this is Liadov

58 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953) - Larry’s nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It’s an awesome work, in its own way.

59 and  60  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539) - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of ……….esque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. Established - the common model for both composers is Scriabin. I'll add that each had very strong, childhood, formative links to him, hence the understandable resemblance.

62 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form.
 
65 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541) - a little-known piano piece by Debussy, it has been determined. Remember where the best collections of scores online are to be found and root around.... (Greg has identified this)

69 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
- this is the vortex at the heart of a movement which has been called [something along the lines of] 'the greatest piece in sonata from between Beethoven and Brahms' and I won't disagree - this a breath-taking work, one which astonishes in so many different ways. The odd key is significant. The use of a single line of notes is also typical of the finely judged irony of this composer - this is the simplest sounding music of a movement with bucketloads of notes, and yet it is some of the hardest music (in an ultra-hard piece) to perform well. This example is part of a cadenza, so the irony increases. The composer was one of the three great composer pianists of the early/mid 19th century, and this is probably his finest work.

70 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669) - As I said, the only piece I know of to use this instrumentation; wind quintet plus bass clarinet. It is youthful music written in reminiscence by an old man. Amongst other things, this composer is well-known for his use of speech-derived melodic lines, but strangely enough, this is one of the rare pieces in which we find a melody directly copied from one he heard on 'field trips' (not on this page, however)
(Mark has identified this)

72 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673) - this composer shared exactly the fate of the composer of my 51, though a few months later. He was 25. For a while he wrote under a pseudonym (Karel Vranek). He wrote a string duo in quarter tones. This movement is a set of variations on a folksong, Ta Knezdubska vez; it comes from what is probably his finest work, a piece which has been recorded several times.

73 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675) - I've given big clues about this one - that it can't be played by human hands; that its composer isn't the obvious one to spring to mind in this connection, but is closely connected with him; that it is entirely made up of quotations from a set of very famous pieces. The unusual tuplets here do not imply 'new complexity' techniques. Instead, they are the composer's way of making possible the simultaneous and literal presentation of all these quotations at their varying intended speeds. That's why you get a whole long line of a tune in quintuplets, and a whole long line of a tune in 9's, or in 5:3's....

74 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676) - A famous name, bandied around a lot but not much understood. I certainly don't understand him. He is famous because, quite separately of a much more widely-known figure, he developed a broadly similar compositional technique.

75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681) - a record-breaking composer, famous among other things for being the longest-living and longest-writing of the established composers. Most of his music is for solo piano - he was in his early days a celebrated performer and a compositional iconoclast who at the time was habitually mentioned in the same breath as Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Ravel, Bartok, Debussy.... This piece, evidently, is not, but it is often thought of as his masterpiece. The six staves you see at the bottom are all for the piano; this is a fairly extreme example of a notational procedure he used quite a lot.

77 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) - We’ve had one piece from this composer on this thread. He’s British, as has been established. He’s not Elgar, as has been established. But he died the same year as Elgar, which pretty much narrows him down to one of the other two famous British composer who dies that year. I think it obvious which on he is. This piece contains a part for wordless chorus , though not on this page, with its intricate rhythms.

78 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785) - A early 20th century Scriabin-y Russian modernist, with the strange notation on the final line (I trust you’ve spotted it). Not Mosolov, the other one  ;D ;)

82 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793) - Also Russian, a 20th century set of 24 Preludes and Fugues. But not Shostakovich. A look at the rhythmical style here may help.

83 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796) - Another Russian, one already found on this thread. This work has been recorded on ECM
(Greg has identified this)

84 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797) - semi-spectralist piece inspired by a famous Tuner painting which adorns the front of the score. British composer, the last ‘Thomas Ades’ (i.e. best ‘British composer since Britten’) before the current one (and attended the same college as Ades, which is also my old one). Ex-Messiaen pupil - OM said he had an ear as good as Mozart’s.
(and Greg's also identified this)

85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798) - There is a complex appearance to this page - nested tuplets and jagged atonal figurations - which one doesn’t normally associate with this composer, whose most famous work is one of the great Popular Classics. This is a programmatic piano piece whose subject comes from a Shakespeare play whose name shall not be spoken here.

86 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800) - A Maciek-piece. The most obvious clue about its composer is too obvious. Perhaps that fact itself is a clue, who knows? One of the few composer from his country who Maciek hasn’t posted here yet   :P , but one of the most famous names.

87 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809) - British composer, in his fifites. A viola concerto full of nostalgic quotations, all linked the Beethoven ‘Lebewohl’ horn-call

88 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060) -12 tone composition for full orchestra. Not a symphony, though its composer wrote a few. Post-Schoenbergian dodecaphonist, Spanish by birth but adopted as English.

89 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063) - also composer of no 105, one of the most important 20th century composers. This comes from a two-hander opera. Surely you don’t need more.  ;)

98 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100) Had him before. Never mind the notes here, look at the style of the score.

100 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105) written by a great musical lexocographer and wit, whose advert for ‘Castoria’ is one of the great musical delights I know of.

102 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114) -  British composer of  9 symphonies. This one was inspired by a vision of multicultural harmony following race riots in the 50s (IIRC)

104 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123) - a one-time disciple of Satie, though they fell out over a schoolboy prank. As I said, a major composer, and one of his finest but comparatively little-known works.

105 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124) - see 89

108 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132) - - same composer (British) as one of those I posted today

109 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133) - same composer as no 85, but much better-known, from the same set as that ‘Popular Classic’ I talked about.



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 05:24:12 AM
LO 65- Debussy- Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 05:51:49 AM
83 looks like it's by Schnittke....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 05:57:01 AM
i've got LO 83- Schnittke- Penintential Psalms

(if not, that'll be surprising!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:25:41 AM
Nice one, Greg.  :) Both correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:30:40 AM
I recall that Jaromir Weniberger  (of Schwanda fame) wrote a set of variations on "Three Blind Mice". I believe this is LO 111.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:32:18 AM
You might be right about the Weinberger, but this piece isn't by him, sorry! It's a composer we've already had on this thread, if that helps.

So, MM 17 looks like Kilar's Angelus to me. I have a recording, but didn't recall the piece.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:41:14 AM
Luke, you've just given LO 70 away as Janacek's Mladi. Really, I should have known that one without the help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:48:09 AM
You might be right about the Weinberger,

As it turns out, I'm not even right about that.  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:50:16 AM
Luke, you've just given LO 70 away as Janacek's Mladi. Really, I should have known that one without the help.

Yes, it was a give-away, but that is deliberate; I think some of my others are give-aways too. I've been confused about some of these scores still not being guessed, so quite a few of my clues are geared towards simply getting them out of the way now!

Mladi it is, the end of the slow movement, with its peculiar 17/16 bars
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 06:50:24 AM
LO 84- George Benjamin......

one of these:
Altitude
Ringed by the Flat Horizon
At First Light
Fanfare for Aquarius
 Antara
Sudden Time

but i don't know the rules on how many guesses you can make (i've never heard George Benjamin before, i have no idea which)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:58:15 AM
It is one of those. And as he's a composer you'd probably love, it is imperative that you now go out and buy all these pieces so that you can track down which one.  ;D It is my still favourite piece by Benjamin, though it is not one of his more recent works. The clue about Turner is important - there's only one of these works that that applies to!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 07:06:06 AM
Quote
Yes, sorry, I didn't see this one before!

Put me down as a Benjamin fan - though I'm afraid I still prefer his earlier works, up to about the Three Inventions. At First Light and A Mind of Winter particularly are just unsurpassable IMO. Having just claimed a feeling of kinship with the 1972 LSSO on the Brian thread (because I was a member of the orchestra long time later) I must also say I feel some kind of a connection to Benjamin (and to Judith Weir and Tom Ades) simply because he/they all studied music at the same place as me, albeit a while earlier; also, Benjamin's Ringed by the Flat Horizon, which brought him to prominence, was first performed as the winner of a university composition competition which I also, sort of, won, or would have had my piece been for smaller forces!

But of course none of that is really important except to me. What I adore about those works of Benjamin's I mentioned is their stunning aural imagination - small forces in each creating the most awesome and precisely imagined sounds. Benjamin is influenced by the spectralists - he is close to Murail IIRC - and this shows in the consumate yet unusual aural effects in some of these works (such as the big E flat pedal+harmonics towards the end of At First Light) but he isn't committed to one technique; his music has great scope and imagination.

Boris, if you liked the last movement of Ringed by the Flat Horizon you will probably like the parallel section of At First Light, which is similar in concept but more subtly coloured and almost shockingly beautiful IMO - those chords melting into each other gorgeously!
so.... it's "At First Light?"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 07:11:23 AM
That's the one. I get the sense my new clues are helping.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2007, 01:58:50 PM
You might be right about the Weinberger, but this piece isn't by him, sorry! It's a composer we've already had on this thread, if that helps.

So, MM 17 looks like Kilar's Angelus to me. I have a recording, but didn't recall the piece.  :-[

Correct. I'll remove the clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:30:21 AM
In the mood for more?

119 - (I’ve missed off 118 because I mucked up the numbering with two no 77s earlier) - nice big sample, clear text, stylistic traits everywhere, other clues for the getting - no extras needed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:34:57 AM
120 - a transcription of a great composer by another great composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:38:05 AM
121 - I’ve left a big clue here. This comes from the climax of one of the great little chamber operas of the last half century. A genuine little masterpiece, one of its composer’s best. There’s already been a score by him on this thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:44:12 AM
122 - very clear again, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:47:47 AM
123 - the last bars of a set of pieces. Has a similarity with my 82; compared with the opening of this piece, this page also exhibits a structural similarity with my example 103
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:53:36 AM
124 - an early work by a composer not typically associated with solo piano. I’ll leave it like that, but more clues if necessary.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:57:37 AM
125 - the composer in his Neapolitan vein here. Spiky here, this piece is elsewhere suffused with sumptuous Mediterranean lyricism. I really admire this work in many ways, though maybe that’s a bit unfashionable.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:00:25 AM
126 - unusually, this score comes from a CD liner note. The whole thing is reproduced over the first few pages of the booklet. One for Guido - if he doesn’t know it he should learn it! It was written for and recorded by a certain recently deceased Russian cellist. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you who.

127 - written as exercises for a composer-performer, who used/uses them as a basis for improvisation. The little squiggly signs above each group of notes is actually an ‘infinity’ sign, signifying that repetition is quite important to this composer…..
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:03:00 AM
128 - a double canon at the ninth, though that begins to become freer on this final page. This piece was written as a counterpoint exercise, and partly in jest if the mock antique handwriting of the manuscript is a guide. But it is to my mind a very moving and beautiful work indeed. You could say that its composer is one of the big names.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:13:05 AM

129 - for some of this set I have taken copies of pages from a couple of books. This one comes from a book called Contemporary British Music or something of that sort, and once again it is one for Maciek. This composer used to live down the road from me when I was young.

130 - no comments just for now - some of you might well know this one straight off
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:14:13 AM
131 - one of its composer finest but lesser-known works, and also one of my favourites. Many of his stylistic traits are visible here. He is A Big Name.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 19, 2007, 05:19:02 AM
LO 129 - I've never really heard or seen it but based on your description and the instruments it's scored for, and that snippet of text visible, I'm guessing it's Panufnik's Universal Prayer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:20:19 AM
 ;D Got my little clue, there, I see  ;D No, right composer, wrong piece.... Scrub that, sorry, wasn't concentrating: YES!! right composer, right piece

132 - looks hideously hard, but there are several big clues here. Taken from the masterpiece of one of the great twentieth century composers, but one who for too long was rather overshadowed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:23:14 AM
133 - this might be quite hard, and I’ll happily give clues (I’ve left some on the score itself). But this piece has been recorded more than once, including on Naxos in the last few years, and may well be known by some here, so no more clues for now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:24:34 AM
LO 119 - Serenade to Music by RVW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:27:03 AM
LO 121 -- The Lighthouse by Peter Maxwell Davies
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:28:39 AM
LO 122 -- RVW again. This one is the Sea Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:30:21 AM
All correct, Mark.  :D

134 - no clues yet. The composer is the key here; for all I know, the piece may be impossible to find, so I will chip in if necessary.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:34:24 AM
135 - one of the monuments of Experimental Music [British Division]. This composer is already represented on this thread. That makes it rather easy, perhaps.

136 - quite easy, I think. A sort of modern counterpart to Steve's no 11, Cordier’s heart-shaped acrostic score, I think, though that isn’t a clue, it’s simply blatantly obvious!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:39:31 AM
LO 136 -- Peter Maxwell Davies again. 8 Songs for a Mad King
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:41:17 AM
137 - four pieces here, all by the same composer. The titles aren’t much help, I don’t really know why I blanked them out.  ;D  ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:45:41 AM
138 - back to basics: a nice straightforward score here.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:46:18 AM
LO 136 -- Peter Maxwell Davies again. 8 Songs for a Mad King

Yep
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:49:14 AM
LO 131- Brahms: Nänie
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:00:59 AM
Correct on the Brahms, Mark. A beautiful piece, isn't it?

139 - this score is adorned with skeletons, skulls, coffins and Dies Irae trumpets. As perhaps you can see.   ::)

140 - composer is very clear, I think, with his idiosyncratic markings and prophetic techniques

141 - as the note at the top of the score says, this piece uses a special notation invented by…..

142 - as 138: keeping it simple
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:03:11 AM
Sean, do I see you lurking on this thread? See what you've done?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:05:05 AM
143 - say what you see….

144 - I’m know for sure there’s lots to say about this composer, but as far as I’m concerned he only features in my CD collection on a recording of Porgy and Bess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on October 19, 2007, 06:06:11 AM
Hello there guys, hope you're getting on okay. Hey this is must be the longest thread I ever started! I'd be well out my depth though, I'm not sure how you boffins can find so many answers!

For the moment there's no way I can find time for the forum here- I need to find a better job for one thing, hoping then to work till I can do a doctorate on something in minimalism next year at Birmingham uni. At 38 it's kind of a mad idea but verbiage is the only thing I'm qualified for anyway.

Presently listening to Schubert songs and masses, Haydn quartets, Sacchini's Oepide and The Tales of Hoffmann.

Have fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:06:59 AM
137 is La Monte Young

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Compositions 1960, I suppose :-)

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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:10:54 AM
So Sean appears, comments on the thread, and goes promptly guest again?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:13:26 AM
Is he 'Guest' already? I didn't even have time to give him the proper 'hello' I wanted to...

Correct on the La Monte Young, Karl. And I'll give you the titles, though they're aren't precisely right!

145 - no comment (except LOL) just yet

146 - as soon as you look at this piece, I am sure you will agree with me that its absurdly modernist idiom meant that it absolutely merited the censure it received. It was in fact banned, and the stated reason for this banning is to be found on this page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:14:15 AM
147 - no clues yet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:17:45 AM
In the Wild Guess Department, Luke, I'm saying Britten on 146, just because it looks so much like the Jubilate Deo we've been rehearsing at St Paul's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
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