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Poll
Question: What's your favorite?
Option 1: #1 votes: 2
Option 2: #2 votes: 3
Option 3: #3 votes: 3
Option 4: #4 votes: 3
Option 5: #5 votes: 3
Option 6: #6 votes: 5
Title: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 09, 2017, 12:18:25 PM
Let's keep this Martinů trend going.  ;D

Vote for one.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 09, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
4 is too obvious. 2, 3 or 5... 2, 3 or 5... which to vote for  :-\


Sarge
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 09, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
It may change in meantime, but currently my favorite is the No. 3. My general order would be like that:

3
4
5 and 1 - tie
6
2
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: springrite on November 09, 2017, 02:32:54 PM
3, followed very closely by 4. Then I'd say 1, 2, 5, 6

Never into #6 after all these years.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Daverz on November 09, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
I'd try Munch in 6:

https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/8176244--piston-symphony-no-6-martinu-fantaisies-symphoniques

Or in the Sony Munch box.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 09, 2017, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 09, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
4 is too obvious.
Sarge

Which is why I voted for it, I guess...probably also because it's the only one I've heard live.

I love all the symphonies, but I find 3, 4 and 6 slightly superior to 1, 2 and 5. Although 5 has the single greatest Martinu symphonic movement (the finale).
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 09, 2017, 05:43:06 PM
Great poll! 8) I voted for Symphony No. 3. I find this to be a disturbing work and it's darkly hued atmosphere appeals to me greatly. That Largo movement is a masterpiece within itself (I believe it's a reworking of the Largo movement of Piano Quintet No. 2). After the 3rd, my vote goes to the 4th, 6th, 2nd, 1st, and 5th (in that order).
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: vandermolen on November 10, 2017, 05:55:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 09, 2017, 05:43:06 PM
Great poll! 8) I voted for Symphony No. 3. I find this to be a disturbing work and it's darkly hued atmosphere appeals to me greatly. That Largo movement is a masterpiece within itself (I believe it's a reworking of the Largo movement of Piano Quintet No. 2). After the 3rd, my vote goes to the 4th, 6th, 2nd, 1st, and 5th (in that order).
This is probably my list too although I'd reverse the order of 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 10, 2017, 06:21:22 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 10, 2017, 05:55:20 AM
This is probably my list too although I'd reverse the order of 3 and 4.

I was initially going to vote for the 4th, but the 3rd has made quite the lasting impression on me lately. Truth be told, I love ALL of Martinu's symphonies, but, since this poll calls for us to vote for only one favorite, I went with the 3rd.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: amw on November 10, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
"The last one I listened to"

today I would order them 1 2 3 5 4 6 but this is always subject to change.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 01:06:57 PM
The 3rd and 4th symphonies are tied up right now. That's not surprising. The 4th gets a lot of praise (and rightfully so) whereas the 3rd is the dark horse of the two.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: amw on November 10, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
"The last one I listened to"

:P Ain't that the truth! They're all so fantastic.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: vandermolen on November 12, 2017, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 10, 2017, 06:21:22 PM
I was initially going to vote for the 4th, but the 3rd has made quite the lasting impression on me lately. Truth be told, I love ALL of Martinu's symphonies, but, since this poll calls for us to vote for only one favorite, I went with the 3rd.

I like all the symphonies as well.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 12, 2017, 01:21:04 PM
I like all the symphonies as well.

I wish there was a thumbs up emoticon here on GMG. Since there's not...

(http://d2trtkcohkrm90.cloudfront.net/images/emoji/apple/ios-10/256/reversed-thumbs-up-sign.png)
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 01:38:48 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on November 09, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
It may change in meantime, but currently my favorite is the No. 3. My general order would be like that:

3
4
5 and 1 - tie
6
2

I've really come around to the 2nd. I view it as a 'pastoral symphony' of sorts. It does, however, have a brooding undercurrent that makes me think it's more than Martinu in a lighter mood.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 12, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 01:38:48 PM
I've really come around to the 2nd. I view it as a 'pastoral symphony' of sorts. It does, however, have a brooding undercurrent that makes me think it's more than Martinu in a lighter mood.

Lately I've appreciated more the 6th. It's the more abstract and 'rarer' symphony by him, as it happens in Nielsen's 6th. The 2nd is rather calmed and happy, yet I find it less attractive, but it doesn't mean I don't like it. There is no any dull symphony that Martinu has written.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on November 12, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
Lately I've appreciated more the 6th. It's the more abstract and 'rarer' symphony by him, as it happens in Nielsen's 6th. The 2nd is rather calm and happy, yet I find it less attractive, but it doesn't mean I don't like it. There is no any dull symphony that Martinu has written.

The 6th certainly is an ear-opening work. From on the onset, you're thrown into a hallucinogenic soundscape. It's like a drug-induced state of wonderment. The last movement of the 6th is one of Martinu's most astonishing orchestral creations IMHO. But, I agree with you, there's never a dull moment in these symphonies. I do ask if you'll give the 2nd another listen as I do find there to be much sadness in the second movement, Andante moderato. Also, the 2nd, by direct comparison to the 6th, to make a contrast since you mentioned this symphony, is more subtle in it's musical expression.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: vandermolen on November 13, 2017, 12:52:12 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 07:57:54 PM
The 6th certainly is an ear-opening work. From on the onset, you're thrown into a hallucinogenic soundscape. It's like a drug-induced state of wonderment. The last movement of the 6th is one of Martinu's most astonishing orchestral creations IMHO. But, I agree with you, there's never a dull moment in these symphonies. I do ask if you'll give the 2nd another listen as I do find there to be much sadness in the second movement, Andante moderato. Also, the 2nd, by direct comparison to the 6th, to make a contrast since you mentioned this symphony, is more subtle in it's musical expression.
Very much agree with you. No.6 is a magical work - I find it rather moving in places.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
2 & 4

The only one I've never really understood was 1. Not sure I like 5 very much, but that is subject to change.

3 and 6 are great too, but I naturally gravitate towards the happier stuff.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 13, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
2 & 4

The only one I've never really understood was 1. Not sure I like 5 very much, but that is subject to change.

3 and 6 are great too, but I naturally gravitate towards the happier stuff.

Interesting. I don't find the 2nd to be 'happy' at all or at least not for the entire duration of the symphony. As I mentioned, I find there to be several tinges of melancholy, especially in the slow movement.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Interesting. I don't find the 2nd to be 'happy' at all or at least not for the entire duration of the symphony. As I mentioned, I find there to be several tinges of melancholy, especially in the slow movement.
Oh definitely, there are elements of melancholy to all the symphonies (and much of his work), and indeed No. 4 manages to hit just about every possible feeling. I didn't say they were uniformly one thing. But there's probably not a happier series of moments in his symphony cycle than the second half of No. 2.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 13, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
This is an interesting, and unusual poll in that the votes are almost equally spread among the symphonies. I thought 4 would rule.

Sarge
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 13, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Oh definitely, there are elements of melancholy to all the symphonies (and much of his work), and indeed No. 4 manages to hit just about every possible feeling. I didn't say they were uniformly one thing. But there's probably not a happier series of moments in his symphony cycle than the second half of No. 2.

Oh yeah. Every symphony of Martinu brings me great joy irrelevant to the emotional temperature. ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 13, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
This is an interesting, and unusual poll in that the votes are almost equally spread between works. I thought 4 would rule.

Sarge

Indeed and this speaks of the high consistency of the cycle as a whole.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 13, 2017, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 13, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
This is an interesting, and unusual poll in that the votes are almost equally spread among the symphonies. I thought 4 would rule.

Granted it's a small sample of votes, but I'm surprised to see #6 with only one vote, as it has been a critical favorite among the symphonies for a long time.

My Martinu symphony pyramid as of now:

4
3, 6
1, 2, 5

Quote from: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
Indeed and this speaks of the high consistency of the cycle as a whole.

Yes indeed.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 13, 2017, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
Indeed and this speaks of the high consistency of the cycle as a whole.

Amen!

Sarge
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: North Star on November 13, 2017, 01:51:44 PM
Voted for No. 6, but as others have said, it's a good, consistent, cycle. As can be seen from the poll results..
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: North Star on November 13, 2017, 01:51:44 PM
Voted for No. 6, but as others have said, it's a good, consistent, cycle. As can be seen from the poll results..

Love this symphony as well, but I love them all.
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: Parsifal on November 13, 2017, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 13, 2017, 12:53:00 PMMy Martinu symphony pyramid as of now:

4
3, 6
1, 2, 5

My arrangement is a see-saw

1 2 3 4 5
6

Subject to change, of course.  :)
Title: Re: Favorite Martinů Symphony
Post by: springrite on November 14, 2017, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on November 13, 2017, 03:53:06 PM
My arrangement is a see-saw

1 2 3 4 5
6

Subject to change, of course.  :)

Now, that's a formation that I can agree with!