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Title: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 05, 2013, 12:13:30 PM
This thread will be where I post information about the music I am writing.   Hopefully it will be of some interest to others here.  I plan on posting new clips as they are ready and offering a little in the way of how the piece(s) came to be.

This first clip is an electronic work I wrote for an art show that my wife put together.  I wrote about 40 minutes worth of electronic-ambiance music to supplement the theme of the show which was called "Sacred Space: Landscape and Letter".

Radiant Landscape (https://soundcloud.com/dovidyehuda/radiant-landscape)

This is somewhat unusual for me, i.e. I usually don't write purely electronic music, choosing instead to combine acoustic instruments with electronic.   

This one, Radiant Landscape, was created using a audio composing application from Sony, ACID Pro 7.0 and was made up of some homemade sounds as well as samples I have accumulated over the years.  I probably have over 30,000 sound clips in my library and this piece used about 35.  These clips can range from tiny one-shots to 30 second developing or environmental sounds and can be looped to go on for as long as you wish.

I've got some other pieces almost finished, most featuring 1-3 instruments with an electronic background.  I have begun thinking of the electronic background as an orchestral component - and have even thought of writing these like small concertos.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy this thread.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 05, 2013, 12:31:49 PM
Anyway, I hope you enjoy this thread.

Haven't listened to the music yet but I can tell you I love your thread title  8)


Sarge
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 05, 2013, 01:55:46 PM
Thanks, Sarge - I hope the music lives up to it.

 :)
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Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 05, 2013, 05:06:51 PM
Not to get too far ahead, but I'm really enjoying Lamp of Darkness. Interested for you to share some info on this composition.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on April 05, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
I sampled most of the works on the page and I really like the ambient vibe of many of them, but if I may offer a criticism there aren't enough contrasts in your music. For me, contrasts are what give the music more color. I liked Spirit Dance and feel it to have the most variety than the other pieces.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 06, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
Not to get too far ahead, but I'm really enjoying Lamp of Darkness. Interested for you to share some info on this composition.

Thanks!   All the tracks on Soundcloud were done for my wife's show, over a period of 2-3 months.  Due to the theme of the art work, all of the music had to evoke a certain meditative mood, so I generally tried to have whatever development of the piece occur within a fairly narrow range of energy. Lamp of Darkness is typical of that approach - beginning with a very contemplative section but entering one with a bit more tension.  I then close out with the keyboard section and bells which recalls the beginning section.

 :)

Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 06, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
I sampled most of the works on the page and I really like the ambient vibe of many of them, but if I may offer a criticism there aren't enough contrasts in your music. For me, contrasts are what give the music more color. I liked Spirit Dance and feel it to have the most variety than the other pieces.

Thanks for listening to them.  You are right about a certain sameness, but that was intentional given the purpose of the music.  However, Spirit Dance was one where I incorporated a more diverse sound palette. 

Soon I will be uploading some other music which is more typical of what I do - and you will hear (hopefully) a wider variety.   

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 06, 2013, 05:49:53 PM
Looking forward to listening to your work!
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Post by: Mirror Image on April 06, 2013, 06:41:58 PM
Thanks for listening to them.  You are right about a certain sameness, but that was intentional given the purpose of the music.  However, Spirit Dance was one where I incorporated a more diverse sound palette. 

Soon I will be uploading some other music which is more typical of what I do - and you will hear (hopefully) a wider variety.   

 :)

Yeah, I think those works, even though as you said they have a certain sameness about them, are still enjoyable. So much better than the junk you hear on the radio that's for sure. :) By the way, could you take me off of block? I apologized to you and, again, I'm sorry for saying I didn't like you. I was just frustrated that day. I think you and I would have much in common if we talked more. I've been playing the guitar for 21 years and have worked in a wide variety of musical genres. Take care.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 08, 2013, 10:06:59 AM
Doing the music for my wife's show acted to get be back into the saddle, vis a vis composing.  The last two months, however, have been frustrating since my music computer crashed beyond repair and I had to get another one built.  There are always problems getting everything to work properly, not to say all the time involved in re-installing the software and copying over the files.  But the new computer is a vast improvement over my 6 year old XP and despite the frustrating delay, I am not happily working and getting pretty excited about the way things are going.

I have now gotten four pieces close to completion:

1. The first movement in a planned multi-movement work for piano and electronics, which in my mind is assuming the proportions of a chamber concerto

2. A work for woodwind ensemble (8 instruments) and electronics;

3. A work for English Horn and French Horn (which my sister said I should all the "Chunnel Thing") + electronics;

4. A work for Alto Flute, Flugelhorn and Violin + electronics.

All between 4-6 minutes in length.

However, the remaining work is the slowest part of the process: review-rewrite; and finally, fine-tuning the notation by adding dynamic and articulation markings.  This is the part I enjoy the least since in my mind the work is essentially finished, but in order to prepare the scores for performance the notation has to be more than what I normally include.  Going through adding the marks is somewhat tedious, but also a chance to do even another review of the parts.  Mainly I will be looking for things which may be "possible" on the instrument but not necessarily "advisable".  I am most worried about the French Horn part, and will at some point consult with a professional player.

Anyway - the way I review the works is to create an audio file using Finale's instrument sample library and then listen to it on my commute.  I will then be able to judge if the work "lands" or if there are sections which need to be lengthened, or shortened, or developed differently.  This part of the process is mildly entertaining, since Finale does a pretty good job of mimicking an instrumental ensemble.

I will post links to the works as I consider them "finished", or at least finished for the time being.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 08, 2013, 10:12:51 AM
Splendid. Onward!
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Post by: Mirror Image on April 08, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
Look forward to hearing more of your work, sanantonio.
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Post by: San Antonio on April 09, 2013, 04:07:11 AM
Thanks Karl and MI. 
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Post by: San Antonio on April 15, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
So, I made my first video. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/chMLPDi3Hhs&feature=youtu.be

The work is an electro-acoustical piece for alto flute, flugelhorn and violin with electronics.  Right now I'm using images from the Hubbell telescope.  But as soon as my wife will send me more of her images, I will replace these with hers.  I also plan on taking some pictures with my phone of some things in nature.  This is the first time I've tried creating a movie using Windows Movie Maker, but another thing I want to do is use Jing to capture the score as it scrolls.  But Jing will only capture up to 5 minutes of video.  I do have some some pieces under 5 minutes, and plan on doing that next.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on April 15, 2013, 05:50:33 PM
So, I made my first video. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/chMLPDi3Hhs&feature=youtu.be

The work is an electro-acoustical piece for alto flute, flugelhorn and violin with electronics.  Right now I'm using images from the Hubbell telescope.  But as soon as my wife will send me more of her images, I will replace these with hers.  I also plan on taking some pictures with my phone of some things in nature.  This is the first time I've tried creating a movie using Windows Movie Maker, but another thing I want to do is use Jing to capture the score as it scrolls.  But Jing will only capture up to 5 minutes of video.  I do have some some pieces under 5 minutes, and plan on doing that next.

 :)

This is a really cool piece, sanantonio. I especially like the instrumentation and the clever way it was used plus the electronics. The space images go great with the music. Keep it up! 8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 15, 2013, 07:03:23 PM
This is a really cool piece, sanantonio. I especially like the instrumentation and the clever way it was used plus the electronics. The space images go great with the music. Keep it up! 8)

Thanks, MI.

Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 19, 2013, 02:17:22 PM
I activated a blog I had set up a while back but done nothing with.  I plan on posting my new music clips and videos as well as other new music and composers I discover.

Musica Kaleidoskopea (http://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/)

Also, I've started a YouTube channel where I will post new video clips.  Also called Musica Kaleidoskopea (https://www.youtube.com/user/MusicaKaleidoskopea).

There's a new clip on the blog of the first movement of what I hope to be a three movement work for piano and electronics.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 21, 2013, 11:07:56 AM
I am gradually getting my recently completed works uploaded to YouTube.

Here's the Woodwind Ensemble piece.

https://www.youtube.com/v/eBKYS4GfDTM

My goal here was to have the music unfold poitillistically for the exposition then develop with a double fugue that ends with a quasi stretto section that climaxes with a unison statement of one of the themes.  When the pointillistic statement from the beginning returns, the themes are much more recognizable. 

At least to me they are.

 :)

A couple more:

Wind Trio

http://www.youtube.com/v/HdpdANySui4

I am happy with how this one turned out, but it unfolds very slowly and most of the tension is in the electronic part playing against the apparent repetitive writing for the winds.

Finally a work for English Horn and French Horn

https://www.youtube.com/v/ZL1Ex67prDs

I still need to run the horn part by a professional to make sure it is comfortably playable.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 21, 2013, 01:50:55 PM
This piece, piano + electronics: movement i, is the last completed work I have to date.  There are some others in the pipeline, including a work dedicated to a friend who recently passed away.  Her husband wishes to memorialize her art work in a video of this type.

http://www.youtube.com/v/iqZux9Cz8kU

I also plan on trying to get some performances of these works even if just to rehearse and record them.

My next projected work will involve a string quartet, either by itself or with clarinet.

Thanks for any feedback.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 22, 2013, 05:40:51 AM
This piece, piano + electronics: movement i, is the last completed work I have to date.  There are some others in the pipeline, including a work dedicated to a friend who recently passed away.  Her husband wishes to memorialize her art work in a video of this type.

http://www.youtube.com/v/iqZux9Cz8kU

I also plan on trying to get some performances of these works even if just to rehearse and record them.

My next projected work will involve a string quartet, either by itself or with clarinet.

Thanks for any feedback.

 :)


Very nice, and I especially enjoyed the role and character of the electronics.

Are the electronics a real-time response to 'cues' from the piano, or are they set in time?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 22, 2013, 07:20:22 AM
Very nice, and I especially enjoyed the role and character of the electronics.

Are the electronics a real-time response to 'cues' from the piano, or are they set in time?


Thanks, Karl.

The electronics are a set track.  I don't currently have any software that will take an audio input and output electronics although I know of a couple applications for that and am considering getting them setup.   When I being planning a piece I sketch out the general outlines and then will prepare a draft electronic track and begin writing the instrument(s) parts(s).  As I go along there will be changes to the electronic track as the instrument parts develop. 

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 30, 2013, 05:11:09 AM
After finishing (sic) my last group of pieces I am now in the reflection mode, thinking about the next thing I want to tackle and doing what I think of as exploratory work.  This phase usually entails a lot of listening and imagining the mood, color and texture of a new work.

The next work will involve piano and strings.  I have been listening to piano trios, quartets and quintets by Schubert, Schumann, Brahms and Dvorak  (besides just the enjoyment of the music) to get the ensemble sonority in my head and spark my imagination.  Once I start writing, the listening will end.  The music I do will have no thematic connection to those composers other than a similar instrument combination is used.  This an exciting phase - full of potential and many ideas come into my head.

Once the writing commences, options are tried and crossed out, and other options chosen, with the inevitable reduction in choices until finally the piece forms in my mind as a totality - almost taking shape from a process of elimination.  I almost always experience some sadness at this point, letting go of some ideas (that may turn up in a different piece) and settling in with the ideas I've chosen, which now must be worked and reworked finding their flexibility and limits.

But right now I am still in the exploration phase and plan on enjoying this part and letting my mind go where it wants.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 30, 2013, 05:12:59 AM
Carry on : )
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Post by: San Antonio on May 21, 2013, 05:11:36 AM
This is a video of the last show by our friend Patricia Jordan. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/ex42jEl4mmU

Patricia died a little over a month ago and I created this for the family who mostly lived in Montana and was unable to see the show.  Her work, as explained in the video, is a response to the devastation (but also rebirth) from a fire that occurred in a Montana forest where Patricia grew up and knew well.  She called it Mapping Losses, and the work, encaustics, is very well rendered.

The music is an electronic piece which I think suits the contemplative nature of the art.

Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 25, 2013, 04:07:45 AM
TTT

How's it going?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 25, 2013, 04:56:17 AM
TTT

How's it going?

Thanks, Karl - I have written several things, but haven't gotten any of them to the stage of what I consider finished, they are close, but I am still turning the music over in my mind.  I am very excited and generally pleased about how it is going and hope to post some new works soon.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 25, 2013, 05:28:01 AM
Bene!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on September 25, 2013, 02:35:14 PM
Radiant Landscape (https://soundcloud.com/dovidyehuda/radiant-landscape)

This is somewhat unusual for me, i.e. I usually don't write purely electronic music, choosing instead to combine acoustic instruments with electronic.   

This one, Radiant Landscape, was created using a audio composing application from Sony, ACID Pro 7.0 and was made up of some homemade sounds as well as samples I have accumulated over the years.  I probably have over 30,000 sound clips in my library and this piece used about 35.  These clips can range from tiny one-shots to 30 second developing or environmental sounds and can be looped to go on for as long as you wish...
Lovely.  One doesn't usually think of low frequencies as "radiant," but I can feel the radiance. 8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 28, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
Lovely.  One doesn't usually think of low frequencies as "radiant," but I can feel the radiance. 8)

Thanks, John. 
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Rinaldo on September 29, 2013, 10:19:40 AM
I really like your use of electronics. Radiant Landscape is brilliant - reminds me of Windy & Carl (http://www.brainwashed.com/wc/) while sounding nothing like them.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 29, 2013, 10:31:09 AM
I really like your use of electronics. Radiant Landscape is brilliant - reminds me of Windy & Carl (http://www.brainwashed.com/wc/) while sounding nothing like them.

Many thanks for listening and your comments.  I have not heard anything by Windy and Carl, but will look for their music.

 :)
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Post by: San Antonio on October 02, 2013, 09:45:14 AM
Had an interesting conversation yesterday with of all people an appliance salesman.

Our stove of ten+ years broke and since this is the second time for this same repair (which cost upwards of $200) my wife and I decided to go all in and purchase a replacement range.  After some back and forth at the store here where we buy all our appliances, and exchanging some emails finalizing the deal - the salesman noticed the link to my music blog and asked me about it.  Turns out he plays cornet in a 30 member brass ensemble.  They play everything from Mahler to Christmas music.   They also could break down into smaller groups, like a quintet.

He offered me the opportunity to write something for them, which I may well indeed do.  Of course I advised him to visit my blog and listen to some of the music ... who knows, he may hate it and decide to take back his offer.

 :)

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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 02, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
But . . . you had a conversation.
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Post by: jochanaan on October 03, 2013, 06:51:03 AM
sanantonio, have you heard them play? :)
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Post by: San Antonio on October 03, 2013, 07:03:26 AM
sanantonio, have you heard them play? :)

They have a website (http://brassbandofnashville.org/about_brass_band_of_nashville), but there are no audio or video clips.  They also have a Facebook page, and that may have some music - but since I am not a member of Facebook, I will need to ask my wife to look them up.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: cjvinthechair on October 03, 2013, 07:44:13 AM
Mr San Antonio - only just discovered this thread, but can safely say I much prefer what I'm hearing here to much of the 21stC stuff you're putting on that thread !
Maybe you are the next big thing ?!

What's the name of your YT Channel ?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 03, 2013, 07:48:18 AM
Mr San Antonio - only just discovered this thread, but can safely say I much prefer what I'm hearing here to much of the 21stC stuff you're putting on that thread !
Maybe you are the next big thing ?!

What's the name of your YT Channel ?

MusicaKaleidoskopea (https://www.youtube.com/user/MusicaKaleidoskopea) (Google keep's trying to get me to change it to something easier to spell, but I like it just the way it is.)

Thanks for your kind words; I'm just a scribbler.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on October 03, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
They have a website (http://brassbandofnashville.org/about_brass_band_of_nashville), but there are no audio or video clips.  They also have a Facebook page, and that may have some music - but since I am not a member of Facebook, I will need to ask my wife to look them up.
Then, if you do write something for them, you'll want to know, not just how many players of each instrument there are, but all their strong and weak points, their particular approach to tone and musicality, how well they blend... :o :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 27, 2013, 09:46:04 AM
A couple of new compositions -

https://www.youtube.com/v/sVcZDs3fUZQ

https://www.youtube.com/v/U1f1TxaJjDc

 :)
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Post by: San Antonio on December 16, 2013, 06:08:19 PM
I have been working on this piece for the last couple of months: english horn | brass | piano + electronics.   It is in three movements, moderate/slow/faster and features four euphoniums.  Images of the prairie were going through my head while writing it and so they became the video.

https://www.youtube.com/v/HXTuBePQPhs
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on December 16, 2013, 07:26:52 PM
I have been working on this piece for the last couple of months: english horn | brass | piano + electronics.   It is in three movements, moderate/slow/faster and features four euphoniums.  Images of the prairie were going through my head while writing it and so they became the video.

https://www.youtube.com/v/HXTuBePQPhs

Beautiful work, sanantonio. I love that combination of instruments. I also loved the eerie sound-world the music seems to inhabit. Nice job.
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Post by: jochanaan on December 16, 2013, 10:49:09 PM
I have been working on this piece for the last couple of months: english horn | brass | piano + electronics.   It is in three movements, moderate/slow/faster and features four euphoniums.  Images of the prairie were going through my head while writing it and so they became the video.

https://www.youtube.com/v/HXTuBePQPhs
Ooooh, lovely!  I too can see the prairie in the music.  (But I grew up there, on a Nebraska ranch.  Not everyone has learned to see the beauty in a nearly flat, grassy land...)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on December 17, 2013, 05:23:04 AM

Thank you both for listening and commenting!

 :)
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 17, 2013, 06:07:54 AM
Lovely, good work!
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Post by: San Antonio on December 17, 2013, 06:11:16 AM
Thanks, Karl. 
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 19, 2013, 05:33:37 AM
If you have (now or in future) something for clarinet (A preferred) and flute (could be picc, C, alto or bass) and electronics, which it would be practical for us to set up here in Boston, Peter and I should be happy to give it a go.
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Post by: San Antonio on December 19, 2013, 05:57:56 AM
If you have (now or in future) something for clarinet (A preferred) and flute (could be picc, C, alto or bass) and electronics, which it would be practical for us to set up here in Boston, Peter and I should be happy to give it a go.

That would be wonderful, thanks for this opportunity. 

I am presently working on something for bass flute and baritone horn with saxophone 4tet but will immediately start thinking of something for you and Peter; I have been wanting to use Clarinet in A ever since studying the Brahms Quintet last year, and will leap at this chance.

The way the electronics works is based on a bpm; I could send you the files, one with the click (for rehearsal) and one without (for performance). 

 :)
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 19, 2013, 06:12:08 AM
What gear should we need to playback the bpm for performance?
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Post by: San Antonio on December 19, 2013, 06:19:07 AM
What gear should we need to playback the bpm for performance?

I could send you a stereo track, could be on a CD or if you prefer a WAV file to play from a laptop.  However, if one of you has audio software such as Studio One, Ableton Live, ACID, or Cubase I could send you a compatible file to be played through the computer.  This would allow for the click to be on or off as you chose.
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 19, 2013, 06:35:14 AM
Very good; we'll sort it out :)
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Post by: jochanaan on December 19, 2013, 08:30:56 PM
Hmmm...What would it take to get "the prairie piece" arranged for electronics and English horn?  I'd definitely be interested in playing it sometime...
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Post by: San Antonio on December 20, 2013, 06:21:14 AM
Hmmm...What would it take to get "the prairie piece" arranged for electronics and English horn?  I'd definitely be interested in playing it sometime...

Attractive offer, but I don't think I could do without the piano, at least.  But for the thing to come together, the acoustic instruments really need to be playing together as an ensemble.

I love the English horn, so, in the near future, I will certainly plan something for it and electronics and hope that you like it as much.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on January 20, 2014, 06:13:12 AM
Something a little different for this thread - my friend and former band mate Ed Palermo recorded a jazz tune I wrote back when we used to play together in NYC.  His big band has been together for over 30 years, and plays in and around New York regularly. 



He has made something of a specialty of arranging Zappa songs for jazz big band and the first disk is devoted to Zappa, the second disk has mainly Ed's songs, but mine is the first track, "Moosh".

I haven't thought about this music in 30 years but when Ed called me, I was delighted to hear his arrangement.  He kept to my original harmonies for the first few statements but his arrangements are very creative and he does some wonderful things with the music.

I am very close to finishing the English horn solo piece, and about 75% done on a piece for bassoon, baritone horn and four flutes.  Then on to the piece for clarinet and flute.

More things to come very soon.

 ;)
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 20, 2014, 06:20:31 AM
Cool that you open disc 2! Congratulations!
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Post by: San Antonio on January 24, 2014, 08:05:15 AM
I have gotten my piece for bassoon, baritone horn and flute quartet just about finished, and am extremely happy with the results. 

It began life with different instrumentation: bass flute, baritone horn and saxophone quartet, but the balance of the ensemble did not work to my satisfaction, plus the saxophone quartet was not achieving the kind of texture and effect I was looking for.  When I moved the bass flute into a quartet of flutes along with piccolo, flute, alto flute - those parts became magical, with exactly the kind of sound I imagined.  Also, the balance of bassoon and baritone horn was much better.

The work is in five movements, with the last two movements based on the material from the first two, i.e. iv is based ii and v is based on i with iii structured as the climaxing movement: i & ii build up to it, and iv & v bring us back down after it.

I should have it completed Sunday and will be posting some sort of audio clip.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 24, 2014, 08:25:27 AM
Nice. And good choice: the bass flute could easily get drowned out in that original scoring.
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Post by: San Antonio on January 26, 2014, 06:32:55 PM
I've got the Youtube video up of my new work:

bassoon | baritone horn | flute quartet + electronics (2014) (http://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2014/01/26/bassoon-baritone-horn-flute-quartet-electronics/)

This links to my blog where I've added a short description.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 27, 2014, 05:02:25 AM
Nice, will check it out soon!
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Post by: San Antonio on January 27, 2014, 05:37:40 AM
Nice, will check it out soon!

Thanks, Karl!
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Post by: San Antonio on January 29, 2014, 06:46:21 PM
english horn + electronics

http://www.youtube.com/v/ksIdUQzcJGQ

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Post by: jochanaan on January 31, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
english horn + electronics

http://www.youtube.com/v/ksIdUQzcJGQ
I like this! I'd love to play it...
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on January 31, 2014, 08:31:31 AM
I like this! I'd love to play it...

That's really good to hear.   PM me your email and I will send you a PDF of the score and we can discuss how best to do the electronics track. 

Disclosure: I use minimal articulation, phrasing and dynamic markings, only what I consider necessary in order to nail down something that might not be obvious.  I prefer to give the performer as much latitude for interpretation as possible.  However, if you wish to have more, I will add to the score.

Thanks!
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 02, 2014, 10:58:09 AM
Woot!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 02, 2014, 12:32:44 PM
Woot!

No pressure, Karl, but I've just about got the duo for flute and clarinet finished.  How did your performances go this weekend?  The concert was this weekend, wasn't it?

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on February 02, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
...Disclosure: I use minimal articulation, phrasing and dynamic markings, only what I consider necessary in order to nail down something that might not be obvious.  I prefer to give the performer as much latitude for interpretation as possible.  However, if you wish to have more, I will add to the score.

Thanks!
That's fine. If there are dynamic markings, I'll follow them; if none or few, I'll play it as I feel it. :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 02, 2014, 02:40:24 PM
No pressure, Karl, but I've just about got the duo for flute and clarinet finished.  How did your performances go this weekend?  The concert was this weekend, wasn't it?

 :)

Excellent. Aye, this weekend, and they went very nicely, thanks.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: cjvinthechair on February 09, 2014, 12:25:11 PM
Mr. Sanantonio - you know I try in my own feeble way to keep vaguely abreast of the 'new' music you keep finding for us; OK, time for the pathetically na´ve question ! Electronic music - no doubt it can go beyond what 'regular' instruments might produce, but in what way are we to assume it improves upon it ?
I can quietly ignore a little electronic interlude in a 'traditional' piece, but some of the time there is minimal/no traditional piece to start with. Why should we give it our attention ?

So sorry - suspect it's sacrilege to question advancement....but what exactly does this advance ?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 09, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
Mr. Sanantonio - you know I try in my own feeble way to keep vaguely abreast of the 'new' music you keep finding for us; OK, time for the pathetically na´ve question ! Electronic music - no doubt it can go beyond what 'regular' instruments might produce, but in what way are we to assume it improves upon it ?
I can quietly ignore a little electronic interlude in a 'traditional' piece, but some of the time there is minimal/no traditional piece to start with. Why should we give it our attention ?

So sorry - suspect it's sacrilege to question advancement....but what exactly does this advance ?

For me electronic music is not a substitute for, or an improvement upon, "traditional" music.   It is just another form of musical expression.   Music is not a zero sum game, but an ever expanding continuum of styles and sounds; nothing cancels anything out. 

There are an infinite number of sounds that are possible using electronic resources that are beyond the spectrum found using acoustic instruments.  Some composers wish to use this electronic aural palette in order to capture the kind of sonic landscape they hear in their heads, and there is an appreciative audience for their music.  For myself I very much enjoy electronic music, both as a listener and to use in my own composing.  But I do not post the things I do in order to tell other GMG members that this is music they should listen to or appreciate.  I just post the kind of music I enjoy and wish to share with this community in the same way other posters contribute early music, or Mahler, or Beethoven sonatas.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on February 09, 2014, 06:42:22 PM
Mr. Sanantonio - you know I try in my own feeble way to keep vaguely abreast of the 'new' music you keep finding for us; OK, time for the pathetically na´ve question ! Electronic music - no doubt it can go beyond what 'regular' instruments might produce, but in what way are we to assume it improves upon it ?
I can quietly ignore a little electronic interlude in a 'traditional' piece, but some of the time there is minimal/no traditional piece to start with. Why should we give it our attention ?

So sorry - suspect it's sacrilege to question advancement....but what exactly does this advance ?
My musical "career" has been focused on acoustical instruments, but I also have a healthy appreciation for electronica, and have on occasion played with makers of electronic music.  In its beginnings, electronica was all about eliminating the boundary between what was traditionally called "music" and other possible organizations of sound; but there's a lot of electronica in non-classical music that has gone back to an imitation of traditional instruments.  I'm not interested in the latter kind of electronica; I'd rather hear it played on acoustic instruments!  I'm much more interested in electronica that continues to break boundaries.  (And don't think I'm particularly young!  As it happens, I'm 55 and still looking for good new music. 8) )
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: cjvinthechair on February 10, 2014, 09:43:12 AM
Thank you for your thoughtful answers, gentlemen !
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on February 10, 2014, 12:27:21 PM
Thank you for your thoughtful answers, gentlemen !
Thanks for reading! If more folks would take time to read and understand new viewpoints, forums like this would be happier, livelier places. 8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 10, 2014, 12:32:14 PM
I just want to say, I agree :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on February 10, 2014, 12:44:44 PM
Here's some relevant questions in regards to the use of electronics for sanantonio, how do you formulate the ideas for usage of these electronics? Are the compositions built around these electronics? How are getting the sounds? A keyboard, a computer program...?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 10, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Here's some relevant questions in regards to the use of electronics for sanantonio, how do you formulate the ideas for usage of these electronics? Are the compositions built around these electronics? How are getting the sounds? A keyboard, a computer program...?

Thanks for asking.   :)

Are the compositions built around these electronics?

This is kind of like the question, "what came first, the words or the music".  Sometimes I get going with an electronic track and then work backwards to the acoustic instruments, and other times it is the opposite.  But always, it is a back and forth method of re-writing each set of parts after I make progress with the work.  There is a point where I feel one of the sides is "finished", at least as to length, and then I go back and tweak each side.  Usually I there are things which are supposed to be working together between the electronics and acoustic instruments, and I will have to rewrite the way in and out of those sections for both the electronics and the acoustic parts.

How are getting the sounds? A keyboard, a computer program...?

I use a variety of sound samples ranging from 1 second to over a minute in length.  Some I create myself either from recording natural environments or other sound sources and then manipulate them in a computer program such as Abelton Live.  I still use loops and samples that I have accumulated over the last ten years or so, I must have over 30,000 of those, and I will also reverse them, or change the pitch or tempo, using either Abelton Live or Sound Forge audio editor  programs.  For the piece I am finishing for Karl, I used a lot of percussion sounds, bell trees, pots, pieces of wood chips, little jars, wind chimes, cymbals, gongs, etc. some sounding natural and some modified with the software.

I am working on another piece right now for clarinet, bass clarinet, piano and electronics in which I wrote the entire acoustic parts as a trio.  Now I  am tearing it apart and creating space for the electronics and beginning to find the right samples for it.  This is somewhat unusual for me.  But once I got going with the trio it took on a life of its own.  I am now using that acoustic material as the basis for the piece, but I will end up throwing out some of what I previously wrote and paring it down to only those parts which work best with the electronics.

The part I enjoy the most is the revision process. 
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on February 10, 2014, 02:00:02 PM
Thanks for taking the time for writing those responses. I'm always interested to find out about the creative processes for musicians/composers. 8)

Edit: Of course, I've been playing the guitar for 21 years, but it's always nice to talk to other musicians about their art. :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 13, 2014, 06:08:48 AM
I uploaded to my blog the work for flute | clarinet in A + virtual percussion (http://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/flute-clarinet-in-a-virtual-percussion-op-18/). 

Karl, I hope you like it and do end up playing it at some point.    This is the first time I used something other than purely abstract samples for the electronics.  The percussion samples came from a variety of sources, some natural, others manipulated and there's also some purely electronic sounds and pads under them in places.

I have gotten an video made, but am thinking I will use different images.


Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2014, 06:34:48 AM
I shall be sure to check it out later today!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2014, 06:35:33 AM
Our April concert has filled up already;  but there will be another occasion later this year.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 13, 2014, 07:00:26 AM
Thanks, Karl, I hope you find the work worthy of attention and possibly a Henningmusik premiere.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 18, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
I uploaded to my blog the work for flute | clarinet in A + virtual percussion (http://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/flute-clarinet-in-a-virtual-percussion-op-18/). 

Karl, I hope you like it and do end up playing it at some point.    This is the first time I used something other than purely abstract samples for the electronics.  The percussion samples came from a variety of sources, some natural, others manipulated and there's also some purely electronic sounds and pads under them in places.

I have gotten an video made, but am thinking I will use different images.

Apologies for taking so long! I've just listened to it, a very fine piece!  I like it very well, and I am sure Peter will be up for it, as well.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 18, 2014, 05:58:27 PM
Apologies for taking so long! I've just listened to it, a very fine piece!  I like it very well, and I am sure Peter will be up for it, as well.

I am really glad.  I will get a PDF of the score in the next few days.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 28, 2014, 11:06:59 AM
I've been busy these last few weeks with a work that started out life as a traditional piano trio: violin, cello and piano.  Then morphed into clarinet, cello and piano.  Finally (because of my misreading of a call for scores) it was transformed into a trio of clarinet, bass clarinet and piano.  Although the path to this ensemble was a good bit wayward, I am very pleased with its sound.

I have written a lot of material - pages of sketches which grew exponentially once I began to put the ideas through the standard operations of permutation, inversion, retrograde, inverse-retrograde.  And then duration expansion and contraction.

Once I had all these little snippets in WAV files, I began to put them together in various versions in Presonus Studio One, which is a very good piece of software for flying in files and stacking them up in order to hear how one section of a few bars flows into the next. 

Also, I can pull in electronic sounds underneath everything.

I ended up with a little over 18 minutes, many parts of which I think work beautifully, but other sections that need considerable re-writing, or the editor's knife.   At present, I have eight minutes for the first movement that is almost done - but still a bit longish, so I will probably trim more.  I've have found that almost invariably a piece of music improves by editing out material.

I am also beginning to work on the second half, which is looking like it might break into two movements.

When so much of the piece sounds good, it is a real test of will to step back, and cast a critical eye towards the work in order to identify the weak parts and show no mercy.

Coming soon to this space.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 28, 2014, 11:19:37 AM
Splendid!

And:  media has landed.  Will advise :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on March 20, 2014, 04:46:50 AM
'tis finished (for now) ~ trio: alto flute | bass clarinet | piano + electronics [2014:5]

I began to think about this work around the middle of last year when I began listening to a number of piano trios, Robert Schumann, Brahms, and others.  So I began to try to think of how I might write for the traditional instruments in a piano trio.  But nothing came of it.  I generally prefer woodwinds to string instruments, so I began to try to get some ideas for clarinet, cello and piano.  And even found some thematic gestures and such.  I went on to other things, things for which the music came easier and I did not even think about the trio for months.   At some point, it must have been December or so, I was looking for something on my computer when I found what I had done for the trio.  In the meantime I had begun using a technique of expanding and contracting ideas durationally which I found very productive, and began to take what I had written for the clarinet, cello and piano, and applied this durational manipulation.  And I ended up replacing the cello with a bass clarinet. 

Ultimately, I replaced the clarinet with alto flute and ended up with a two movement work that I consider finished.

https://www.youtube.com/v/iRPf1_RlutY

https://www.youtube.com/v/C_wXBjqAyHA

I took a very minimal approach with the electronics.  Since the trio writing was almost complete in itself, the electronics are added just to remove the sound of the trio from itself.

Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2014, 04:51:44 AM
Congrats! Will check these out soon!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: torut on March 21, 2014, 07:41:33 PM
Thank you for sharing your music. I heard all the works with great interest, and was looking forward the new one. I like the ambient mood and the subtlety the electronics added. I liked the works with bass clarinet the most.
I generally prefer woodwinds to string instruments
May I ask the reason? Is it that you like woodwinds sounds to hear, and/or you feel woodwinds fit the best for the style of your music?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on March 22, 2014, 05:21:07 PM
Thank you for sharing your music. I heard all the works with great interest, and was looking forward the new one. I like the ambient mood and the subtlety the electronics added. I liked the works with bass clarinet the most.May I ask the reason? Is it that you like woodwinds sounds to hear, and/or you feel woodwinds fit the best for the style of your music?

Thanks for listening and sharing your reactions.  Regarding woodwinds vs. strings, it is something I feel right now; i.e. that woodwinds, especially the low winds (English horn, bassoon, bass clarinet, alto, bass flute) and also low brass, seem to be the sound I am hearing more than strings.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: torut on March 22, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Thanks for listening and sharing your reactions.  Regarding woodwinds vs. strings, it is something I feel right now; i.e. that woodwinds, especially the low winds (English horn, bassoon, bass clarinet, alto, bass flute) and also low brass, seem to be the sound I am hearing more than strings.
Thank you for your explanation. I prefer strings (it's not that I dislike woodwinds; I too like low register wind instruments), and wondered how your music for strings would sound. I am not saying music with strings is better. The particular instrumentation of your works creates very unique atmosphere.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 15, 2014, 09:00:10 AM
Three new things.  The first two are part of a series of works in which I used the same process, and which involved some indeterminate methods.  The program note for these two works is, "bassoon | piano | orchestra bells + electronics and horn | harpsichord | vibraphone + electronics are the second and third of three pieces all which share certain elements of process, and which involve three instruments and electronics in a meditative, ephemeral manner.  They evoke, somewhat, a Zen garden. The first work of this series was previously posted, bass flute | mellophone | harp + electronics (http://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/trio-bass-flute-melophone-harp-electronics/)."

https://www.youtube.com/v/erO1QYSLtZ0

https://www.youtube.com/v/J6yKUCvP4Dg

This next work is something a bit different; it was inspired by and utilizes some jazz elements: "flugelhorn | tenor saxophone | trombone + electronics is a jazz inspired, but more specifically inspired from the period of 1970-1972 of the electronic bands of Miles Davis.  What I did was combine my current working process with the sound of jazz from this period."

https://www.youtube.com/v/VUNmd5kOOcQ

As always, I hope you listen and enjoy what you hear; and comments are welcome.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: torut on May 17, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
This next wrok is something a bit different; it was inspired by and utilizes some jazz elements: "flugelhorn | tenor saxophone | trombone + electronics is a jazz inspired, but more specifically inspired from the period of 1970-1972 of the electronic bands of Miles Davis.  What I did was combine my current working process with the sound of jazz from this period."

https://www.youtube.com/v/VUNmd5kOOcQ

I enjoyed this a lot. Interleaved abstract melodies, rhythmic, and electronics parts are all nice. Not only 1970-72, but also Miles Davis band in early 1980's came to my mind, probably because of the lightness of the beats.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 18, 2014, 02:34:11 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on May 28, 2014, 08:39:14 AM
...This next wrok is something a bit different; it was inspired by and utilizes some jazz elements: "flugelhorn | tenor saxophone | trombone + electronics is a jazz inspired, but more specifically inspired from the period of 1970-1972 of the electronic bands of Miles Davis.  What I did was combine my current working process with the sound of jazz from this period."

https://www.youtube.com/v/VUNmd5kOOcQ

As always, I hope you listen and enjoy what you hear; and comments are welcome.
I think Miles would have approved.  ;D Those chimes reminded me of the fourth of Webern's Six Pieces for Orchestra, one of my favorites! 8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 28, 2014, 11:00:48 AM
I think Miles would have approved.  ;D Those chimes reminded me of the fourth of Webern's Six Pieces for Orchestra, one of my favorites! 8)

Thanks.  I always appreciate your thoughts.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Rinaldo on February 02, 2015, 07:19:46 AM
I was reminded of this thread recently and came back to hear the rest of what's been posted. Couldn't help but share one of your pieces on my daily listening diary (http://po-pa.tumblr.com/). I hope you're doing well and there's more music on the way.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 02, 2015, 07:59:50 AM
I was reminded of this thread recently and came back to hear the rest of what's been posted. Couldn't help but share one of your pieces on my daily listening diary (http://po-pa.tumblr.com/). I hope you're doing well and there's more music on the way.

Thank you for posting my piece on your blog, I appreciate your interest very much.  2014 was a very productive year for me, I ended finishing 52 works.  To hear some of these newer things, you can visit my Soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/dovidyehuda) page or my music blog (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/category/my-work/).

Thanks, again,

/d/
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 02, 2015, 12:21:29 PM
Cheers!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 11, 2015, 09:05:03 AM
A work I finished near the end of 2014, one which appeals to me more and more.

cor anglais | string quartet | bassoon + fixed media [ 2014 - 46 ]

https://www.youtube.com/v/_D_2Y2IWKTA&feature=youtu.be

This is a MIDI realization (using Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 instruments with Finale 2011). I also created a fixed media track which utilizes water drops, chimes and other synthesized electronic sounds.  I would love to arrange to have it performed, or at least rehearsed and recorded.

It begins very softly for about a minute before the english horn enters ...
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 26, 2015, 09:21:21 AM
brass quintet + fixed media [ 2015.8 ]

https://www.youtube.com/v/a_nw4GEqSsg

A very quiet work.  This brass quintet is scored for two cornets, tenor horn (Eb), mellophone and euphonium, but can also be played by the standard quintet of trumpets, horn, trombone and tuba or bass trombone with slight modification.  Artwork by Giacomo Di Chirico.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 26, 2015, 09:38:38 AM
That versatility in scoring should be a plus!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on February 26, 2015, 09:46:08 AM
That versatility in scoring should be a plus!

I scored it originally for the standard quintet with tuba, but then got to thinking of a version for concert band brass.  I prefer the mellower sound of the cornet and the other brass, so went for it.  There were a few octave displacements because of range but other than that, no changes.  Regarding performance possibilities, I guess the standard quintet is much more likely.  But, still a long shot for my stuff.

Along those lines, I've been writing for "standard" ensembles, e.g. flute, viola and harp; Stravinsky's Solder septet.  Who knows ...

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 26, 2015, 10:00:02 AM
We're all long shots.  Keep at what you do, don't second-guess yourself.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Rons_talking on March 01, 2015, 10:22:21 PM
So, I made my first video. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/chMLPDi3Hhs&feature=youtu.be

The work is an electro-acoustical piece for alto flute, flugelhorn and violin with electronics.  Right now I'm using images from the Hubbell telescope.  But as soon as my wife will send me more of her images, I will replace these with hers.  I also plan on taking some pictures with my phone of some things in nature.  This is the first time I've tried creating a movie using Windows Movie Maker, but another thing I want to do is use Jing to capture the score as it scrolls.  But Jing will only capture up to 5 minutes of video.  I do have some some pieces under 5 minutes, and plan on doing that next.

 :)

Your sound is great! I was initially going to listen for a couple of minute, but I didn't want to stop. A nice blend of electronics and acoustic instrumentation. I'm impressed. Electronic music usually turns me off, but not here.
Ron
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on March 02, 2015, 02:41:49 AM
Your sound is great! I was initially going to listen for a couple of minute, but I didn't want to stop. A nice blend of electronics and acoustic instrumentation. I'm impressed. Electronic music usually turns me off, but not here.
Ron

Many thanks!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 02, 2015, 05:05:28 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on March 26, 2015, 08:34:18 AM
trio : flute | harp  | piano  + fixed media [ 2015 - 10 ] - SoundCloud (https://soundcloud.com/dovidyehuda/trio-flute-harp-piano-fixed-media-2015-10)

(http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/cosmos/images/Pleiades-stars.jpg)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 02, 2015, 04:41:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/1WxRKmd9XlI&feature=youtu.be

trio : low [2015-15] "... nothing important ..." is scored for contrabassoon, tuba and double bass with fixed media of choir and bell samples.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 07, 2015, 06:12:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/n_ZI75w8iLA

duo : pianos + fixed media [2015-16] "... meaning vague ..."

I have planned on writing a piece for two pianos for a while but only just now got down to it.  These days I judge the success of a composition to the extent it slows my breathing while listening.  The fixed media is made up of struck objects recorded in a variety of ambient spaces: parking garage, cathedral, stairwell, small room, auditorium.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 07, 2015, 06:43:57 AM
Lovely!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 07, 2015, 07:18:18 AM
Thanks, Karl.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 15, 2015, 05:30:15 AM
A couple of works that feature a bass choir + small instrument ensemble, used minimally with a solo instrument: 1) double bass; 2) harp.  Fixed media of electronics incorporated into each work.

https://www.youtube.com/v/F9lGETiB_S8

https://www.youtube.com/v/THmJCAL82as
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 17, 2015, 07:12:34 AM
I have enjoyed playing around with the choir sound and am in the process of sketching out another piece with choir, this time with celesta and timpani as well. 

What usually happens is I'll get some ideas down on paper then, invariably, I will shift direction, either instrumentally or in some manner which causes the piece to jell in my mind and then it goes rather quickly.

With the piece mentioned above, the shift happened this morning.  After writing about six minutes with that instrumentation, all of sudden a viola line burst into my imagination.   This presented a problem: I am happy with the six minutes I've got, so how to incorporate the viola?  My answer: make the work in three movements.  The first movement will be the six minutes as written, the second will be for viola solo and the third will be a combination of the first two.  I will write the third last, writing the viola with the ensemble and then modify the viola part to become the solo movement.

I love it when this happens.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 24, 2015, 04:48:58 AM
I had posted a version of this work several days ago but took it down almost immediately.  After living with it, I decided it needed some editing.  I completely removed one section and shortened the first part to the last third, tightened up the middle viola solo and re-wrote the last section significantly.  The piece is now about half its original length and much improved, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Mq3JKMO3JiM&feature=youtu.be

The MIDI file.  Hope to cajole some musicians someday into giving it a read through.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 27, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
At home, my computer is downloading and installing Vol. 2 of the Kontakt Waterharp sample library.  I have had vol. 1 and it is one which I have found creatively stimulating. 

I am sketching out a piece for trumpet solo set against the backdrop of a double bass trio and a choir of low male voices.  What I plan to do is create a electronic work lasting about ten minutes from the waterharp samples and then add in what I've written for the instruments here and there.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 29, 2015, 05:30:19 AM
The work described in the previous post. 

https://www.youtube.com/v/uACi7qdKT9I&feature=youtu.be

The fixed media is made up of waterharp samples.  Originally the work was scored for choir and three double basses, but I ended up writing the choir as a six part male chorus.  The choir functions as a wash under the trumpet which repeats a transposed and permuted phrase throughout the piece.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 29, 2015, 11:45:55 AM
The work described in the previous post. 

https://www.youtube.com/v/uACi7qdKT9I&feature=youtu.be

The fixed media is made up of waterharp samples.  Originally the work was scored for choir and three double basses, but I ended up writing the choir as a six part male chorus.  The choir functions as a wash under the trumpet which repeats a transposed and permuted phrase throughout the piece.

Lovely.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on April 29, 2015, 11:48:35 AM
Many thanks, Karl.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 03, 2015, 08:45:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/500GGGY5DXI&feature=youtu.be

Percussion includes vibraphone and side drum, choir is written for four parts, all male voices.  There is an alternate version of this piece which contains a recording of birdsong.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 04, 2015, 01:43:07 AM
If you have (or may be inclined to write) a work for mixed choir and fixed media, I think that would be a good potential fit for our Triad endeavor.  What do you think?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 04, 2015, 02:18:26 AM
If you have (or may be inclined to write) a work for mixed choir and fixed media, I think that would be a good potential fit for our Triad endeavor.  What do you think?

Am always up for any potential performance.  Nothing already done, but I am poised to begin something, which has not even begun to jell in my mind.  I have been giving some thought to solo chorus possibilities. 

Many thanks.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: North Star on May 04, 2015, 04:11:45 AM
Lovely.
Yes.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 04, 2015, 04:35:10 AM
Yes.

Thanks for living.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: North Star on May 04, 2015, 04:41:35 AM
Thanks for living.
Very much my pleasure.  8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 04, 2015, 04:45:22 AM
Very much my pleasure.  8)

Of course I am very glad you are living but I actually meant to write listening.

 ;)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 04, 2015, 04:47:55 AM
One lives to listen . . . .
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 20, 2015, 07:30:35 AM
I am putting the finishing touches on a new work for bassoon, horn, double bass, percussion and choir (male) and fell in love with the ensemble in the process.  This new work lasts right at seven minutes, but I think I am going to write more with this collection of instruments, but featuring different percussion instruments.  This first one uses orchestral chimes.  The next might use a xylophone, and one will definitely use timpani.  I am especially happy with a contrapuntal section, which is odd for me, I don't usually write in such a formalized fashion.

Once I've written them all, probably no more than 3 or 4, I will collate them into a master score.  But who knows, this might be one of those works that goes on and on for the rest of my life ...

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 20, 2015, 07:38:32 AM
Could be the viola in your life . . . .
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 20, 2015, 07:44:13 AM
Could be the viola in your life . . . .

 :D

I haven't forgotten about your gracious invitation; I am waiting on a professor friend at Vanderbilt to free up enough time to do the psalm translation/transliteration into Arabic.  But I will start sketching out something using the other three languages to see how it goes.  If I can't get it working with those three, I'll not need the fourth.  BTW I told you it is psalm 67, which is how I know it in Hebrew, but apparently the psalms are numbered differently and the one I'm using also appears as #66 in many collections.

 ;)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 20, 2015, 07:45:49 AM
Splendid!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 20, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/i2HUdLCeqQ4&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on May 26, 2015, 02:58:51 PM
Another work for bassoon, horn, double bass, percussion and choir.  This one, finds the xylophone filling the percussion chair.

https://www.youtube.com/v/oEsRuhRHMfA

At least two more works are planned; substituing gong/bass drum and another with piano for the percussion part.  I plan on writing as many of these as I continue to be inspired by the group of instruments and any combination of movements could be chosen for performance.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on June 01, 2015, 05:16:50 PM
This work is part of the series for bassoon, horn, double bass, percussion and choir, but for this one, I only used the horn, with gong and bass drum and choir. Most of it takes an early motive, used in the first piece for chimes, but elongated and given to the bass drum, with the gong on the downbeat. The horn has a melody over this pattern. The rhythm of the bass drum motive is slightly modified for the second horn phrase before the choir enters. The work closes out with the horn making shorter statements of a variation of the themes.

https://www.youtube.com/v/CIHWVskdCtM
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 23, 2015, 07:00:41 AM
The parcel landed (a couple of days ago, actually).  Will report in more detail soon!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on June 23, 2015, 08:07:42 AM
This work is part of the series for bassoon, horn, double bass, percussion and choir, but for this one, I only used the horn, with gong and bass drum and choir. Most of it takes an early motive, used in the first piece for chimes, but elongated and given to the bass drum, with the gong on the downbeat. The horn has a melody over this pattern. The rhythm of the bass drum motive is slightly modified for the second horn phrase before the choir enters. The work closes out with the horn making shorter statements of a variation of the themes.

https://www.youtube.com/v/CIHWVskdCtM

This is really beautiful, David. I especially love the very last chord. Quite haunting.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on June 23, 2015, 08:21:24 AM
This is really beautiful, David. I especially love the very last chord. Quite haunting.

Thanks!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on July 03, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/JBszcKnaa0E&feature=youtu.be

This is the latest work in the series for bassoon, horn, double bass, percussion, piano and choir. It may be the last one for a while since I have written seven works and am now going back over them and rewriting, usually making them more concise, editing them down.  This work, 2015-28, delays the entrance of choir and instruments until about half way through after a introductory section of melodic content for xylophone and vibraphone over piano, gong and bass drum.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 02, 2015, 03:03:08 AM
Composer's birth year, for the King's Chapel program?  TIA
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 02, 2015, 03:03:47 AM
Typographically, do you want your name in lower case in the program?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 08, 2015, 08:32:10 AM
Semi-cross-post:  Peter & I have scheduled our first rehearsal of your piece, this coming Monday evening.  Will report!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 08, 2015, 08:40:17 AM
Typographically, do you want your name in lower case in the program?

Originally I did not understand this question, but conform my name (if my piece makes the cut) with all the others.

Semi-cross-post:  Peter & I have scheduled our first rehearsal of your piece, this coming Monday evening.  Will report!

Thanks!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 08, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
Originally I did not understand this question, but conform my name (if my piece makes the cut) with all the others.

Ah!  I just saw that your headers for the YouTube videos were all lower-case.  How would you want the title to appear in the program?  And please prepare a brief bio & program note, against a very likely chance.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 09, 2015, 06:02:16 AM
I've been spending time with the electronics, lovely work;  and notwithstanding its having been born of exigency, the percussion is a fine element.  My expectation is that Peter will be equally enthusiastic.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 09, 2015, 06:40:14 AM
I've been spending time with the electronics, lovely work;  and notwithstanding its having been born of exigency, the percussion is a fine element.  My expectation is that Peter will be equally enthusiastic.

Wonderful!  If there are any range or instrumental technical issues, please let me know and I will be happy to re-do any troublesome spots. 
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 02, 2015, 06:05:19 AM
Rehearsing again this afternoon;  check your PMs!  :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on October 02, 2015, 08:28:11 AM
...check your PMs!  :)
That comment can be easily misread! :laugh:
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 02, 2015, 08:43:11 AM
The s was NOT capitalized!  8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: jochanaan on October 02, 2015, 08:53:35 AM
Aye, but, well, the way some people read things into things!  (Not the ones who usually peruse this division of the forum. 8) )
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/JBszcKnaa0E&feature=youtu.be

This is the latest work in the series for bassoon, horn, double bass, percussion, piano and choir. It may be the last one for a while since I have written seven works and am now going back over them and rewriting, usually making them more concise, editing them down.  This work, 2015-28, delays the entrance of choir and instruments until about half way through after a introductory section of melodic content for xylophone and vibraphone over piano, gong and bass drum.

Beautiful work, David.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 03, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
Beautiful work, David.

Thanks, John
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
Thanks, John

You're welcome, David. It's going to be exciting to hear what Karl does with your work. Which work was it he was going to perform again?
Title: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 03, 2015, 04:45:42 PM
A piece called ... cathedral ... with deliciously rich electronics with which Peter H. Bloom and are still refining our coördination.  We had a very productive rehearsal Friday, and we even played through the piece (albeit imperfectly as yet) for a fellow musician on whom the piece cast a bewitching effect.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 03, 2015, 04:46:48 PM
A piece called ... cathedral ... with deliciously rich electronics with which Peter H. Bloom and are still refining our co÷rdination.  We had a very productive rehearsal Friday, and we even played through the piece (albeit imperfectly as yet) for a fellow musician on whom the piece cast a bewitching effect.

Wonderful to hear.  I will get the score off tomorrow.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2015, 06:54:44 PM
A piece called ... cathedral ... with deliciously rich electronics with which Peter H. Bloom and are still refining our co÷rdination.  We had a very productive rehearsal Friday, and we even played through the piece (albeit imperfectly as yet) for a fellow musician on whom the piece cast a bewitching effect.

Wonderful! So this Peter H. Bloom plays what instrument? ...cathedral... sounds like a nice 21st Century title. 8) Can't wait to hear the live performance.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 03, 2015, 06:58:47 PM
Wonderful! So this Peter H. Bloom plays what instrument? ...cathedral... sounds like a nice 21st Century title. B| Can't wait to hear the live performance.

It is a duo for flute (Peter) and clarinet (Karl) with electronics (fixed media).   The full title is flute | clarinet in a + fixed media [2014-4] "... cathedral ..."

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2015, 07:32:26 PM
It is a duo for flute (Peter) and clarinet (Karl) with electronics (fixed media).   The full title is flute | clarinet in a + fixed media [2014-4] "... cathedral ..."

 :)

Very cool. I wish you lived closer as I'd love to study composition with you, David, even though I'm a very poor music reader.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 04, 2015, 03:30:14 AM
Very cool. I wish you lived closer as I'd love to study composition with you, David, even though I'm a very poor music reader.

Thank you, that is a very flattering thing to say.  But I consider myself more a student, certainly not a teacher.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2015, 07:44:59 AM
Thank you, that is a very flattering thing to say.  But I consider myself more a student, certainly not a teacher.

 :)

You're welcome, David. I think you could impart more knowledge than you believe you can as sometimes knowing someone's compositional philosophy can be beneficial to the learning process.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 08, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
A piece called ... cathedral ... with deliciously rich electronics with which Peter H. Bloom and are still refining our co÷rdination.  We had a very productive rehearsal Friday, and we even played through the piece (albeit imperfectly as yet) for a fellow musician on whom the piece cast a bewitching effect.

Karl, I am very happy that I was able to send you the files you needed before my computer died last night.  (I suspect it has something to do with Microsoft's repeated efforts to force upgrade me to Windows 10, but I do not know.  One by one my devices were unable to be recognized, until the computer shut itself down and refuses to boot-up.)  Luckily, the drive where I backed up all my data was intact. 

I think I will wait a 2-3 of months and purchase an iMac, since Finale won't have a compatible version out until late November. 

In the meantime I will try to install the minimum software to create work on my laptop - but may not be able to send any more scores, tracks for a few months.

Could be worse.   ;)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 08, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Karl, I am very happy that I was able to send you the files you needed before my computer died last night.  (I suspect it has something to do with Microsoft's repeated efforts to force upgrade me to Windows 10, but I do not know.  One by one my devices were unable to be recognized, until the computer shut itself down and refuses to boot-up.)  Luckily, the drive where I backed up all my data was intact. 

I think I will wait a 2-3 of months and purchase an iMac, since Finale won't have a compatible version out until late November. 

In the meantime I will try to install the minimum software to create work on my laptop - but may not be able to send any more scores, tracks for a few months.

Could be worse.   ;)

Yikes!  It's a good job we did all that wanted doing so early  :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on October 08, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
Karl, I am very happy that I was able to send you the files you needed before my computer died last night.  (I suspect it has something to do with Microsoft's repeated efforts to force upgrade me to Windows 10, but I do not know.  One by one my devices were unable to be recognized, until the computer shut itself down and refuses to boot-up.)  Luckily, the drive where I backed up all my data was intact. 

I think I will wait a 2-3 of months and purchase an iMac, since Finale won't have a compatible version out until late November. 

In the meantime I will try to install the minimum software to create work on my laptop - but may not be able to send any more scores, tracks for a few months.

Could be worse.   ;)

On a somewhat related note: I absolutely LOVE my Apple Macbook Pro, David. For years, I slogged through all manufacturers of PCs only to find they keep dying one right after the other. Oh and don't get me started about the constant nagging from Windows to update something. I never thought I would be leaving PC behind in favor of an Apple, but I'm tired of being disappointed and I'm sure you are as well. Also, my dad owns an iMac and has had zero problems with it whatsoever. Sure, there are some things that aren't compatible with Apple, but I've found that there's hardly anything compatible with a PC. :D Also, setup on an Apple is a breeze. All you'll need is an Apple ID. If this new computer I own was a PC, I'd still be setting it up. ;) ;D

Anyway, fingers crossed that you do indeed get yourself an iMac. Trust me, you'll never go back.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 25, 2015, 05:00:49 PM
Very good rehearsal of your piece this evening.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 25, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
Very good rehearsal of your piece this evening.

I am glad it is coming together.  Thanks.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 26, 2015, 03:33:20 AM
I am glad it is coming together.  Thanks.
It means we have more gear to schlep to the Chapel ;)  But it's really a fun piece to play, which compensates sufficiently. And, again, it will make a great impression.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 26, 2015, 04:03:25 AM
And Peter & I are planning to keep this in our repertory.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on October 26, 2015, 04:17:23 AM
And Peter & I are planning to keep this in our repertory.

The first time is the hardest!  Thanks.
Title: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 28, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Pursuant to the above ... I met briefly with Peter last week, and (no prompt from me) he remarked that he is ready to do your piece again.
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on November 28, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
Pursuant to the above ... I met briefly with Peter last week, and (no prompt from me) he remarked that he is ready to do your piece again.

Wonderful!  If you need me to make any changes that would help for the performance let me know. 

Thanks,
D
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 28, 2015, 06:28:41 PM
Wonderful!  If you need me to make any changes that would help for the performance let me know. 

Thanks,
D

I'll ask Peter his thoughts!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on September 27, 2016, 05:55:12 AM
This thread looks rather lonely, what have you been up to compositionally, Dave?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 27, 2016, 06:03:03 AM
First off, no one calls me "Dave", David is how I am known.

 ;)

I've not been writing this stuff since the end of last year.  My publisher wanted me to bring in some new material, so I've been writing alt-country songs again.

Thanks for asking.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Mirror Image on September 27, 2016, 06:14:29 AM
First off, no one calls me "Dave", David is how I am known.

 ;)

I've not been writing this stuff since the end of last year.  My publisher wanted me to bring in some new material, so I've been writing alt-country songs again.

Thanks for asking.

 :)

Well, that royally stinks. I mean I'm glad you're writing something, but it'd be nice to hear a new work from you. By the way, do you have an opus list or some kind of list that has all of your compositions in some kind of order?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on September 27, 2016, 06:31:20 AM
Well, that royally stinks. I mean I'm glad you're writing something, but it'd be nice to hear a new work from you. By the way, do you have an opus list or some kind of list that has all of your compositions in some kind of order?

I have a spreadsheet that needs updating.  Many thanks for your interest; Finale has come out with a new version and I have been thinking of upgrading in order to spark some new activity.

But I often go in spurts and right now I am enjoying writing lyrics and tunes in my more rustic style.

 :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 27, 2016, 07:48:38 AM
And it gives us occasion (rare these days) to enjoy the verb rusticate  :)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on July 28, 2017, 02:06:31 AM
I've not been writing this stuff since the end of last year.  My publisher wanted me to bring in some new material, so I've been writing alt-country songs again.

Thanks for asking.

 :)

So, the past year has been somewhat productive  :-X  my publisher was sent several songs to put out on the street, that she is happy with.  But, for myself, what I have been doing which I haven't shared with her yet, is an extended project that I am calling, "Highway 80 Stories": a group of linked songs involving a group of characters all taking place in the region surrounding Hwy 80, which sort of parallels I-20.

Here is a link (https://highway80stories.com/) to a new website I am creating to house this material.

I've completed about a dozen songs done so far, but haven't put them down on disc yet - soon to come.

 ;)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: opaquer on July 28, 2017, 02:32:45 AM
You're back!  :o Welcome back!!!  8)
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 28, 2017, 02:36:00 AM
So, the past year has been somewhat productive  :-X  my publisher was sent several songs to put out on the street, that she is happy with.  But, for myself, what I have been doing which I haven't shared with her yet, is an extended project that I am calling, "Highway 80 Stories": a group of linked songs involving a group of characters all taking place in the region surrounding Hwy 80, which sort of parallels I-20.

Here is a link (https://highway80stories.com/) to a new website I am creating to house this material.

I've completed about a dozen songs done so far, but haven't put them down on disc yet - soon to come.

 ;)

Bravo!
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: Ken B on July 28, 2017, 05:56:30 AM
So, the past year has been somewhat productive  :-X  my publisher was sent several songs to put out on the street, that she is happy with.  But, for myself, what I have been doing which I haven't shared with her yet, is an extended project that I am calling, "Highway 80 Stories": a group of linked songs involving a group of characters all taking place in the region surrounding Hwy 80, which sort of parallels I-20.

Here is a link (https://highway80stories.com/) to a new website I am creating to house this material.

I've completed about a dozen songs done so far, but haven't put them down on disc yet - soon to come.

 ;)

Looks interesting. I've only been to Savannah on that route.

About your older stuff, you linked once to a commercial recording. Do you have a page of such things, or details so  we might search youtube or Spotify?
Title: Re: San Antonio Rows
Post by: San Antonio on July 28, 2017, 07:35:10 AM
Looks interesting. I've only been to Savannah on that route.

About your older stuff, you linked once to a commercial recording. Do you have a page of such things, or details so  we might search youtube or Spotify?

I don't have anything up, yet, of me performing songs but will be getting these new songs recorded and posted, hopefully, soon.

There are some YouTube videos of some songs I wrote with Chris Knight that he recorded, "North Dakota (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DUCPdV3VwA)"; "Oil Patch Town" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvrFojFI4m0); "Carla Came Home (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBsbjc64mYM)"