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Title: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Bonehelm on July 31, 2007, 11:00:27 PM
What pieces of music, while not being a lullaby, easily puts you to sleep?

For me, I only have one: Bolero. JUST HOW MANY TIMES MUST THAT COUPLE BARS OF SIMPLE MELODY REPEAT?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Norseman on August 01, 2007, 01:01:36 AM
Not sure about the most boring, but it's definately not the bolero. Sometimes I can find listening to Mozart, things like his lesser known symphonies etc, to be almost painfully uninteresting.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mozart on August 01, 2007, 01:20:24 AM
La Boheme. YAWNNNNNNN
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: david johnson on August 01, 2007, 01:24:45 AM
rap

dj
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DetUudslukkelige on August 01, 2007, 01:27:26 AM
rap

dj

Seconded.

Seriously, though, I think Dvorak's early symphonies are pretty hard to listen to.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Bonehelm on August 01, 2007, 01:30:19 AM
rap

dj

That's probably true for me as well.

Oh how could I forgot Haydn! Out of his massive output of 104 symphonies, I only like 2 of them -- the 94th and 45th...(O God I hope 71dB doesn't see this and make another 3000 word essay defending the composer)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on August 01, 2007, 02:40:10 AM
Elgar: Sym#1, #2, Cockeyed and In the South Overture
Dittersdorf: Symphonies after Ovid's Metamorphesis.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 01, 2007, 02:50:53 AM
That's probably true for me as well.

Oh how could I forgot Haydn! Out of his massive output of 104 symphonies, I only like 2 of them -- the 94th and 45th...(O God I hope 71dB doesn't see this and make another 3000 word essay defending the composer)

And have you actually heard all 104 symphonies, 83 string quartets, 50+ piano sonatas, 12+ masses, 2 oratorios, and doubtless more I'm forgetting? Would you pay any attention if I wrote a 3000-word essay defending the composer? (I won't, however.)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 01, 2007, 02:52:06 AM
What pieces of music, while not being a lullaby, easily puts you to sleep?

For me, I only have one: Bolero. JUST HOW MANY TIMES MUST THAT COUPLE BARS OF SIMPLE MELODY REPEAT?

Twelve.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 01, 2007, 02:53:48 AM
And have you actually heard all 104 symphonies, 83 string quartets, 50+ piano sonatas, 12+ masses, 2 oratorios, and doubtless more I'm forgetting? Would you pay any attention if I wrote a 3000-word essay defending the composer? (I won't, however.)

I have, several times. And just planning to do it again. Plus the 45 or so piano trios... :)

Wagner, outside of the overtures and preludes. Sorry... :-\

8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 01, 2007, 03:56:40 AM
Seconded.

Seriously, though, I think Dvorak's early symphonies are pretty hard to listen to.

Really? the 3rd is lovely.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: BachQ on August 01, 2007, 04:53:15 AM
Elgar Symphony no. 1
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: rappy on August 01, 2007, 05:10:08 AM
Most of Saint-Saens (apart from a few really enjoyable pieces, e.g. the 2nd piano concerto or the danse macabre)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: 71 dB on August 01, 2007, 05:15:21 AM
Classical: Symphonies by Leopold Mozart.  ;D
Non-classical: monotonic underground techno.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Todd on August 01, 2007, 05:16:39 AM
Everything I've heard by Elgar more or less puts me to sleep.  If non-classical is included, one must mention "smooth" jazz and country. 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 01, 2007, 05:19:06 AM
Elgar Symphony no. 1

Do you really mean that?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: springrite on August 01, 2007, 05:23:28 AM
If non-classical music is allowed, then I'd say "world music", Yani, and "smooth jazz" as Todd mentioned. I find most broadway to be boring as well.

In terms of classical music, I find much of Mendelssohn and Schubert to be rather boring. While Franz Josef Haydn is one of the most interesting -- never boring composers there is, the "Uncle of the Symphony" -- Michael Haydn, is boring as hell.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: hornteacher on August 01, 2007, 05:45:37 AM
Anything out of a beginning band method book.   ;)

"Hot Cross Buns" gets old really fast.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: m_gigena on August 01, 2007, 05:46:56 AM
Henri Collet's output is agressively boring. Specially that trash he named as "Concierto Flamenco".
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: hautbois on August 01, 2007, 05:57:48 AM
Most of Saint-Saens (apart from a few really enjoyable pieces, e.g. the 2nd piano concerto or the danse macabre)

Samson and Delilah is a good opera! On the contrary, the piano concertos (including No. 3) really upsets me. The Cello concerto doesnt strike me much also. But i the bassoon, oboe sonatas, the organ symphony etc are great!

Howard
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Harry Collier on August 01, 2007, 06:02:36 AM
For decades, I have tried, tried, tried to like Liszt. I really have. I buy recordings of Liszt's music and listen to them with wrapt attention. Alas, light has not yet dawned. Too many notes for me.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 01, 2007, 06:09:06 AM
rap

dj
lol!
my thoughts exactly. I should put on some rap/hip-hop whenever i have a hard time falling asleep.

Quote
If non-classical is included, one must mention "smooth" jazz and country.
smooth jazz definetely. My dad has started listening to that for the last few years.
Country is boring harmonically/rhythmically, but somehow also annoying.

As for classical:
most early music, Baroque and a lot of Classical, Handel, Mozart, yawn.....
Wagner, Stockhausen.....

if i didn't like Takemitsu, he would be the most boring of all probably
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on August 01, 2007, 06:13:38 AM
For decades, I have tried, tried, tried to like Liszt. I really have. I buy recordings of Liszt's music and listen to them with wrapt attention. Alas, light has not yet dawned. Too many notes for me.


You talking about the piano music or Liszt's music in general? I think the symphonic poems are actually quite good, no melodically lacking at times but very interesting music. His piano music I find pretty unlistenable as I vastly prefer Chopin.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: BachQ on August 01, 2007, 06:16:40 AM
Do you really mean that?

Yes.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on August 01, 2007, 06:17:40 AM
Yes.
Me too.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Harry on August 01, 2007, 06:20:42 AM
Wagner, is the most boring humbug I ever listen too!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on August 01, 2007, 06:28:38 AM
Wagner, is the most boring humbug I ever listen too!

Agree, if you are referring to the Wotan/Bruenhilde exchange in Act II of The Valkyrie. Is there a more garrulous character in all of opera than Wotan?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: springrite on August 01, 2007, 06:41:59 AM
if i didn't like Takemitsu, he would be the most boring of all probably

LOL! I was thinking the same thing about Takemitsu as well as Feldman. I love both, but if someone say it is boring, I can totally understand!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 01, 2007, 06:53:32 AM
LOL! I was thinking the same thing about Takemitsu as well as Feldman. I love both, but if someone say it is boring, I can totally understand!
;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: paul on August 01, 2007, 07:12:06 AM
Non-classical: William Basinski's The Disintegration Loops — 30 minute tracks of one 5 second loop repeating itself again and again until they fade out... invariably praised by hipsters as "soothing."

I love William Basinski's music and have listened to the Disintegration Loops many times. I've never thought that his music was soothing or hip, but what is most interesting to me is how the music changes over the course of the 20 to hour long tape loop (and by change I mean fall apart; I'm sure you know the story of these tapes and how Basinski archived certain loops that had importance to him later to find that they would fall apart if played. Upon the 9/11 attacks he played these loops from the roof of his apartment building in NYC until they fell apart, recording the results while filming a static shot of the smoke over Manhattan). I have to say that I enjoy the Garden of Brokenness and the Variations for Piano and Tape more than the Disintegration Loops, though I'm not sure Basinski's music is really even "classical" but comes more from minimalist electronic music. But I understand that this is not for everyone.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Josquin des Prez on August 01, 2007, 07:34:17 AM
Lots of contemporary avant-garde music makes me comatose. The pretension of intellectuality and originality makes it even worst in the face of the actual blandness and lack of imagination of many of those 'compositions'. Minimalism is pretty boring too for that matter.

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: bwv 1080 on August 01, 2007, 07:38:44 AM
Lots of contemporary avant-garde music makes me comatose. The pretension of intellectuality and originality makes it even worst in the face of the actual blandness and lack of imagination of many of those 'compositions'. Minimalism is pretty boring too for that matter.



Care to provide examples?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: bwv 1080 on August 01, 2007, 07:40:07 AM
Listening to a complete performance of Cage's ASLSP must be taxing
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: edward on August 01, 2007, 07:44:13 AM
Listening to a complete performance of Cage's ASLSP must be taxing
Actually, performances of both piano and organ versions typically last between 15 and 35 minutes. The 739-year one is an outlier. ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 01, 2007, 07:44:22 AM
Agree, if you are referring to the Wotan/Bruenhilde exchange in Act II of The Valkyrie. Is there a more garrulous character in all of opera than Wotan?

Gurnemanz?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 01, 2007, 07:47:36 AM
That's probably true for me as well.

Oh how could I forgot Haydn! Out of his massive output of 104 symphonies, I only like 2 of them -- the 94th and 45th...(O God I hope 71dB doesn't see this and make another 3000 word essay defending the composer)
so you're missing one of the great pleasures of life.
try the concertos at least, a good way to come into his world, I believe.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The new erato on August 01, 2007, 07:48:17 AM
Wagner, is the most boring humbug I ever listen too!
I thought you liked Siegfried Wagner?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 01, 2007, 07:51:14 AM
Seconded.

Seriously, though, I think Dvorak's early symphonies are pretty hard to listen to.

I disagree, there are some wonderful melodies in these early works.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: springrite on August 01, 2007, 07:52:05 AM
I thought you liked Siegfried Wagner?
Harry likes his Wagner less "Wagnerian".
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 01, 2007, 07:53:08 AM
Lots of contemporary avant-garde music makes me comatose. The pretension of intellectuality and originality makes it even worst in the face of the actual blandness and lack of imagination of many of those 'compositions'. Minimalism is pretty boring too for that matter.



the whole point of Minimalism is to bore you to death.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The new erato on August 01, 2007, 07:58:10 AM
I would have to say most of Liszt's piano music - except for the sonata and a few late pieces.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 01, 2007, 08:04:13 AM
I enjoy reading threads like these, because I am astonished at how some people find some of the music I like a great deal, boring  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: springrite on August 01, 2007, 08:05:32 AM
I enjoy reading threads like these, because I am astonished at how some people find some of the music I like a great deal, boring  8)

Hehee, I believe some of these thread were started partially with your enjoyment in mind.  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Harry on August 01, 2007, 08:18:42 AM
I thought you liked Siegfried Wagner?

True, the son is much better as the father.
Try some of his operas. :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 01, 2007, 08:21:28 AM
True, the son is much better as the father.
Try some of his operas. :)

really? I wasn't impressed by his symphonies.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 01, 2007, 08:28:14 AM
I enjoy reading threads like these, because I am astonished at how some people find some of the music I like a great deal, boring  8)
really? who?
i haven't read anyone who thinks Prokofiev, Schoenberg, or Stravinsky, for example, is boring.....

and yeah, i'd be surprised, too, if someone mentioned Prokofiev since the guy practically has to try to be boring.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mahlered on August 01, 2007, 08:38:57 AM
The majority of the Telemann I've heard makes me snooze. There are some pieces of his that I like very much, but as a generalization...nap.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 01, 2007, 09:10:58 AM
the whole point of Minimalism is to bore you to death.

Then it succeeds admirably. I was going stir-crazy in my seat at a recent Steve Reich concert.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 01, 2007, 09:14:20 AM
the strange thing about minimalism is: it's either meant to get you to fall asleep or make you totally hyper. But if it ends up making you hyper and you can't move around in your seat, that must suck  :P
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The Emperor on August 01, 2007, 09:25:11 AM
Minimalist can be boring as any other style, sure sometimes it's so repetitive that your head almost explodes, but you have to be in the right mood ;D

I've been listening to a lot of Steve Reich latelly as a matter of fact and i'm enjoing it!
That triple quartet rules my world.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 01, 2007, 09:40:47 AM
Minimalist can be boring as any other style, sure sometimes it's so repetitive that your head almost explodes, but you have to be in the right mood ;D

I've been listening to a lot of Steve Reich latelly as a matter of fact and i'm enjoing it!
That triple quartet rules my world.

i am in the mood for some minimalist music...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The Emperor on August 01, 2007, 09:42:44 AM
i am in the mood for some minimalist music...
Then go listen to some!  :D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Szykneij on August 01, 2007, 09:52:57 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 01, 2007, 10:04:17 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.

Wisdom!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 01, 2007, 10:05:31 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.

That would explain why so many people find Brahms boring.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Harry Collier on August 01, 2007, 10:07:53 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.

Yeah ... minor Goldmark is full of subtle nuances.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: bwv 1080 on August 01, 2007, 10:08:16 AM
That would explain why so many people find Brahms boring.

Or at least gravitate to only the most Beethovenesque pieces
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The Emperor on August 01, 2007, 10:10:06 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.
Indeed! Sentence of the day, you got my vote ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 01, 2007, 10:26:19 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.

true, but not always.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Szykneij on August 01, 2007, 10:33:31 AM
true, but not always.

true, but sometimes.    ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 01, 2007, 10:51:52 AM
Lots of us are ready to embrace their Inner Dittersdorf, I think, now . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 01, 2007, 11:18:45 AM
rap

dj

I disagree. I love rap.

All music can be boring to me depending on my current mood or patience.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: andy on August 01, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Then it succeeds admirably. I was going stir-crazy in my seat at a recent Steve Reich concert.

I can see where people would find minimalism boring. I find it borings at times... ok most of them time. I really enjoy listening to it while driving though, and that's about the only time I don't find it boring. But it's perfect driving music.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sean on August 01, 2007, 11:43:06 AM
Minimalist can be boring as any other style, sure sometimes it's so repetitive that your head almost explodes, but you have to be in the right mood ;D

I've been listening to a lot of Steve Reich latelly as a matter of fact and i'm enjoing it!
That triple quartet rules my world.
Please be advised of Six pianos, 24 absolutely gripping kick-ass minutes of minimalism.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Tancata on August 01, 2007, 11:49:12 AM
I can find most music boring when I'm not in the right mood for it.

There's some music that consistently makes me feel dirty, though. Some modern musicals and some of the really calculated pop does that  :P.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The Emperor on August 01, 2007, 12:20:23 PM
Please be advised of Six pianos, 24 absolutely gripping kick-ass minutes of minimalism.
i have that here, i should put it on my mp3 player for tommorow at work :D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Josquin des Prez on August 01, 2007, 02:44:05 PM
Minimalist can be boring as any other style, sure sometimes it's so repetitive that your head almost explodes, but you have to be in the right mood ;D

There's nothing inherently wrong with minimalism per-se, both as an aesthetic principle and compositional technique, the problem are contemporary composers and their gimmicky approach to composition that makes them focus on one single technique exclusively, and in the case of minimalism the results are pure insanity.

However, when used as a simple compositional tool among a wider technical vocabulary it can be quite good.

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 01, 2007, 02:50:46 PM
However, when used as a simple compositional tool among a wider technical vocabulary it can be quite good.

As composers like Louis Andriessen and Per Nørgård have shown to great effect. :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: jurajjak on August 01, 2007, 02:56:59 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Guonod.  Even in his own day, he was infamous for being boring.  

One could also mention the dozens of hack 17th and 18th court composers--whose music is still played on classical radio stations, for some reason--but that probably goes without saying.

Others I find boring: Glinka (I very much want to like him, but find nothing interesting to latch onto); Adolphe Adam; Gabriel Faure; Handel; Spohr; some Brahms (though not all, certainly); Elliott Carter...many, many others...


Andrew
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: hornteacher on August 01, 2007, 04:35:04 PM
There's nothing inherently wrong with minimalism per-se, both as an aesthetic principle and compositional technique, the problem are contemporary composers and their gimmicky approach to composition that makes them focus on one single technique exclusively, and in the case of minimalism the results are pure insanity.

However, when used as a simple compositional tool among a wider technical vocabulary it can be quite good.

Very good point.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 01, 2007, 06:34:15 PM
The most boring music I've ever heard is what plays in the background at grocery stores. I'm not talking about 'classic' muzak. I'm talking about the Muzak radio stations for businesses that contains selections from old and new pop 'stars'. Since I work at a store, I get to hear songs by 'American Idols', cheesy 70's music where everyone sounds like either the Bee Gees, Phil Collins, or Chicago, "smooth" jazz that has noting at all to do with jazz, "crossover" country that is just your standard pop, and even boyband type singers. Every song is sentimental in a forced way, has the same recursive structure as if no other way of writing existed other than verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus! This music is boring not only for the intellect, but also to the senses. I DEFY anyone to write it off as mere entertainment. It's TORTURE!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 02, 2007, 06:19:55 AM
Speaking of minimalism, I've always felt that Brian Eno adapted minimalism into his ambient music and turned it away from academic and into the sensual, creating paplable landscapes that takes the listener into realms of the other worldly. Brian Eno is the one artist that can be repetitive as hell, starkly minimal, and rarely boring. But to some people, it's just the same, and has nothing on more traditional music that is full of attention grabbing changes.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: marvinbrown on August 02, 2007, 06:45:26 AM
I have tried, tried, tried to like Liszt. I really have. I buy recordings of Liszt's music and listen to them with wrapt attention. Alas, light has not yet dawned. Too many notes for me.


  Thats how I feel about Mahler. 

  marvin

  PS: its hopeless, with the sole exception of Symphony No.2  I am really having problems enjoying Mahler music. I do not know what else I can do?  :-\
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Brewski on August 02, 2007, 06:50:26 AM
   PS: its hopeless, with the sole exception of Symphony No.2  I am really having problems enjoying Mahler music. I do not know what else I can do?  :-\

What you can do is...not worry about it too much!  Enjoyment of Mahler is not essential to a full musical life, so try some other composers, and come back to him another time.  There are thousands of other people who have written (or are writing) music, begging for your attention!  ;)

--Bruce
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: marvinbrown on August 02, 2007, 06:55:44 AM
What you can do is...not worry about it too much!  Enjoyment of Mahler is not essential to a full musical life, so try some other composers, and come back to him another time.  There are thousands of other people who have written (or are writing) music, begging for your attention!  ;)

--Bruce

 Thanks Bruce.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: m_gigena on August 02, 2007, 07:36:36 AM
  Thats how I feel about Mahler. 

  marvin



And that's how I feel about Bruckner


(excepting the 7th symphony)


Manuel
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 02, 2007, 07:43:07 AM
  Thats how I feel about Mahler. 

  marvin

  PS: its hopeless, with the sole exception of Symphony No.2  I am really having problems enjoying Mahler music. I do not know what else I can do?  :-\

do you like Bruckner?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 02, 2007, 07:52:21 AM
The most boring music I've heard? Not completely sure, but it was likely something by Elgar  ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: BachQ on August 02, 2007, 07:56:17 AM
The most boring music I've heard? Not completely sure, but it was likely something by Elgar  ;D

(no need for the smiley emoticon when you're factually correct, Karl ..........)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 02, 2007, 08:29:40 AM
Sometimes boredom comes from the listener's inability to recognize and/or appreciate nuance.
Or from the efforts the listener's not ready to make.
I assume some composers are listened more carefully because of their reputation.

That would explain why so many people find Brahms boring.
or Haydn
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 02, 2007, 08:38:51 AM
The most boring music I've ever heard is what plays in the background at grocery stores. I'm not talking about 'classic' muzak. I'm talking about the Muzak radio stations for businesses that contains selections from old and new pop 'stars'. Since I work at a store, I get to hear songs by 'American Idols', cheesy 70's music where everyone sounds like either the Bee Gees, Phil Collins, or Chicago, "smooth" jazz that has noting at all to do with jazz, "crossover" country that is just your standard pop, and even boyband type singers. Every song is sentimental in a forced way, has the same recursive structure as if no other way of writing existed other than verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus! This music is boring not only for the intellect, but also to the senses. I DEFY anyone to write it off as mere entertainment. It's TORTURE!

I'm going to tell you that Muzak is some of the most brilliant music ever devised. Muzak, as well as many other companies, make music for mostly 4 areas: heavy and light industrial, office, and public spaces. The way each song is structured in a list, the timing between the songs, the cycle of 'styles' of songs they use, all are predetermined and devised to react with certain phenomena in music cognition. The music is not to be paid attention to and they design it with that intention. It is supposed to alter your arousal. Most generally, Muzak counteracts the Burris-Meyer Cardinell fatigue curve (slump in activity mid morning and late afternoon) and coincide with the Yerkes-Dodson law. (simple tasks done with music stimulating high arousal and complex tasks done with music stimulating low arousal).

it's not TORTURE, its GENIUS! some of the best music cognition specialists work on this stuff.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: sidoze on August 02, 2007, 08:50:38 AM
I vaguely recall that Telemann's violin sonatas (or Fantasies?) had that same grating feeling you get as you're just on the verge of nodding off to sleep when some bore from another flat plays his unwelcome music too loud. It sounded brown, and I'm sure the gut strings didn't help. I wouldn't even call it boring. It was just unpleasant.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mark on August 02, 2007, 09:32:06 AM
Something lasting over 19 minutes by Darius Milhaud. Perhaps his Le Boeuf sur le Toit?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 02, 2007, 09:53:59 AM
Something lasting over 19 minutes by Darius Milhaud. Perhaps his Le Boeuf sur le Toit?

Le boeuf runs about 15 minutes and a half;  so if you heard it played for more than 19 minutes, I'll bet it was boring!  ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 02, 2007, 11:13:09 AM
http://longplayer.org (http://longplayer.org)

Now there's a piece that takes stamina to listen to.
i'm listening to that right now.... actually, i like this type of stuff. But it'd be nice if it could be compacted into 30 minutes or so. I wonder if it really will get to finish on 31st December 2999?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mark on August 02, 2007, 01:38:22 PM
Le boeuf runs about 15 minutes and a half;  so if you heard it played for more than 19 minutes, I'll bet it was boring!  ;)

Yes, Karl, it is that work. I have it on a sampler CD, and it runs for a staggeringly dull 19:56! :o
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 02, 2007, 01:41:13 PM
The most boring music I've heard? Not completely sure, but it was likely something by Elgar  ;D

I find it hard to believe you haven't heard anything more boring than Elgar.

BTW, the Elgar jokes are getting pretty boring too.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The Emperor on August 02, 2007, 02:15:04 PM
I actually never heard Elgar  ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 02, 2007, 02:58:18 PM
I actually never heard Elgar  ;D

Don't let 71db's irrational fanboydom and the others' dismissal of him turn you off. Try his Enigma Variations, Serenade for Strings, Elegy for Strings, and the Cockaigne overture.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DetUudslukkelige on August 02, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
Don't let 71db's irrational fanboydom and the others' dismissal of him turn you off. Try his Enigma Variations, Serenade for Strings, Elegy for Strings, and the Cockaigne overture.

And let's not forget the Cello Concerto.  ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The Emperor on August 02, 2007, 03:50:48 PM
That elegy i should try, i love elegies, if that one impresses me than i shall try some more!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Bonehelm on August 02, 2007, 04:23:47 PM
  Thats how I feel about Mahler. 

  marvin

  PS: its hopeless, with the sole exception of Symphony No.2  I am really having problems enjoying Mahler music. I do not know what else I can do?  :-\

Have you tried the 1st? It's even more charming than the 2nd for Mahler beginners.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: sound67 on August 02, 2007, 05:33:39 PM
Mahler may be overindulgent and narcissistic, but boring he is not.

Bruckner is.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 02, 2007, 05:38:03 PM
Mahler may be overindulgent and narcissistic, but boring he is not.

Bruckner is.

Bruckner is boring... but Tubin isn't?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 02, 2007, 05:50:10 PM
Bruckner is boring... but Tubin isn't?

You question Tommy?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: jurajjak on August 02, 2007, 11:18:23 PM
[Muzak] is not TORTURE, its GENIUS! some of the best music cognition specialists work on this stuff.


...Some of the worst music cognition specialists also work on it.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 03, 2007, 01:02:50 AM
Mahler may be overindulgent and narcissistic, but boring he is not.

Bruckner is.


be careful there, what you find boring is pure ecstasy for others...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: marvinbrown on August 03, 2007, 01:43:42 AM
do you like Bruckner?

 To be honest I am not familiar with Bruckner.  My experience with Mahler has left a bitter taste in my mouth (or ears as the case may be) and I lost interest in pursuing other composers "similar" to Mahler, which from what I have read is what Bruckner is all about.  Am I mistaken?  By the way I define boredom as loosing interest in a peice of music- whether that comes from a lack of understanding or a failure to relate (as is my case with Mahler) is irrelevant.   

  marvin
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 03, 2007, 02:23:13 AM
To be honest I am not familiar with Bruckner.  My experience with Mahler has left a bitter taste in my mouth (or ears as the case may be) and I lost interest in pursuing other composers "similar" to Mahler, which from what I have read is what Bruckner is all about.  Am I mistaken?  By the way I define boredom as loosing interest in a peice of music- whether that comes from a lack of understanding or a failure to relate (as is my case with Mahler) is irrelevant.   

  marvin

You are mistaken. Mahler and Bruckner have in common the fact that they wrote long symphonies. The similarity ends there. Mahler's sentimentality and irony have nothing in common with Bruckner's deep religious spirit. Their approach to musical form is completely different as well, with Bruckner taking an essentially slow motion approach to musical time that was highly original for symphonic writing. The last three symphonies of Bruckner especially are among the glories of 19th-century music, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Grazioso on August 03, 2007, 02:43:02 AM
You are mistaken. Mahler and Bruckner have in common the fact that they wrote long symphonies. The similarity ends there. Mahler's sentimentality and irony have nothing in common with Bruckner's deep religious spirit. Their approach to musical form is completely different as well, with Bruckner taking an essentially slow motion approach to musical time that was highly original for symphonic writing. The last three symphonies of Bruckner especially are among the glories of 19th-century music, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, and it's another reminder to listen for yourself and not rely on solely what you hear from others.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 03, 2007, 02:44:28 AM
To be honest I am not familiar with Bruckner.  My experience with Mahler has left a bitter taste in my mouth (or ears as the case may be) and I lost interest in pursuing other composers "similar" to Mahler, which from what I have read is what Bruckner is all about.  Am I mistaken?  By the way I define boredom as loosing interest in a peice of music- whether that comes from a lack of understanding or a failure to relate (as is my case with Mahler) is irrelevant.   

  marvin
Bruckner and Mahler can not be more different, just because they were close friends does not imply that their music styles are similar. Like what Larry Rinkel has said, both wrote long, grand symphonies, but Mahler's music sounds emotional, sardonic; while Bruckner's symphonies are deeply spiritual, contrapuntal, and to some extent, Wagnerian.

I really think you should try Bruckner's music, after all, "hearing is believing".
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 03, 2007, 03:08:28 AM
I agree with this wholeheartedly, and it's another reminder to listen for yourself and not rely on solely what you hear from others.

Or to pick and choose carefully the persons on whom you rely. . . .  :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (: premont :) on August 03, 2007, 03:10:14 AM
Wagner, is the most boring humbug I ever listen too!

AMEN!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 03, 2007, 03:12:03 AM
AMEN!

Again, that's another reminder to listen for yourself and not rely on solely what you hear from others, or to pick and choose carefully the persons on whom you rely. . . .   ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Szykneij on August 03, 2007, 03:17:42 AM

be careful there, what you find boring is pure ecstasy for others...

Good advice. The question posed in a thread like this should be "What music do you find the most boring?" as opposed to "What music is the most boring?". A subtle change in wording, but a big difference in meaning.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 03, 2007, 06:32:26 AM
Quote
[Muzak] is not TORTURE, its GENIUS! some of the best music cognition specialists work on this stuff.

...Some of the worst music cognition specialists also work on it.

So . . . music cognition specialists will produce work of artistic genius?  I ask only for information  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LaciDeeLeBlanc on August 03, 2007, 06:32:38 AM
What is that one song that everyone and their mom knows how to play on the piano? And only that song! Is it "Heart and Soul"? Everytime I hear someone plunking that out my impulse is, "Turn it off!!! Turn it off!!!!"

On minimalism, it's probably not a good idea to listen to if you're already bored. In another state of mind, I find it quite mesmerizing.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 03, 2007, 07:01:46 AM
What is that one song that everyone and their mom knows how to play on the piano? And only that song! Is it "Heart and Soul"? Everytime I hear someone plunking that out my impulse is, "Turn it off!!! Turn it off!!!!"

When I was in high school there was this guy in my French class that would impress the girls by playing the piano line from a Coldplay song. I had to restrain myself from lobbing a boot at his head every time.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 03, 2007, 07:28:08 AM
When I was in high school there was this guy in my French class that would impress the girls by playing the piano line from a Coldplay song.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 07:57:59 AM

...Some of the worst music cognition specialists also work on it.

their job is to make beloved Muzak EXTRA stagnant.

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 08:03:29 AM
...Some of the worst music cognition specialists also work on it.


So . . . music cognition specialists will produce work of artistic genius?  I ask only for information  8)

If increasing productivity in the workplace and producing masking in a public area with music is art, then they are modern day Da Vincis. 


In all seriousness, the field of music cognition is not limited to just Muzak, it works closely with children with disabilities, major record companies (pop and classical), and the solitary listener just to name a few.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 03, 2007, 08:24:28 AM
If increasing productivity in the workplace and producing masking in a public area with music is art

It isn't. Thank you for playing  :D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 03, 2007, 08:25:11 AM
beloved Muzak

For most, perhaps, a poignant oxymoron  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: oyasumi on August 03, 2007, 09:46:12 AM
I see the one liner-smiley combination works well for you.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 03, 2007, 09:49:44 AM
Sure.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 10:28:14 AM
It isn't. Thank you for playing  :D

It is. Thank you for hosting! ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 03, 2007, 10:31:28 AM
I'm going to tell you that Muzak is some of the most brilliant music ever devised. Muzak, as well as many other companies, make music for mostly 4 areas: heavy and light industrial, office, and public spaces. The way each song is structured in a list, the timing between the songs, the cycle of 'styles' of songs they use, all are predetermined and devised to react with certain phenomena in music cognition. The music is not to be paid attention to and they design it with that intention. It is supposed to alter your arousal. Most generally, Muzak counteracts the Burris-Meyer Cardinell fatigue curve (slump in activity mid morning and late afternoon) and coincide with the Yerkes-Dodson law. (simple tasks done with music stimulating high arousal and complex tasks done with music stimulating low arousal).

it's not TORTURE, its GENIUS! some of the best music cognition specialists work on this stuff.

Are you considering that Brittney Spears, Nsync, The Bee Gees, various American Idol winners, are composing "genius" music? Say what you want about research and all your jargon, but this music flat out sucks big time. If you didn't read my post, I'm not talking about the dumbed down instrumental muzak, but the muzak stations that now stream POPULAR MUSIC that is grating on the nerves.

"It is supposed to alter your arousal," or turn you into a mindless shopping zombie? That, my friend, is the question. I don't believe that this goal is to be admired. If anything, it's a sad comment on the collective intelligence of our fellow man.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Szykneij on August 03, 2007, 10:38:34 AM
In all seriousness, the field of music cognition is not limited to just Muzak, it works closely with children with disabilities, major record companies (pop and classical), and the solitary listener just to name a few.

Hi btpaul74 --

I'm guessing you've had to read a lot of Edwin Gordon at OSU?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 10:46:29 AM
Are you considering that Brittney Spears, Nsync, The Bee Gees, various American Idol winners, to compose "genius" music? Say what you want about research and all your jargon, but this music flat out sucks big time. If you didn't read my post, I'm not talking about the dumbed down instrumental muzak, but the muzak stations that now stream POPULAR MUSIC that is grating on the nerves.

Let me preface by saying that spears, nsync et al make a lot of money with their music and people like it and listen to it. I respect that. A listener of that music I am not nor do I consider these artists any kind of genius.

I could care less if it's a Muzak version King Crimson or Young Jeezy or Champaign. I could care less if its Muzak of 'my funny valentine' or 'giant steps.' The point people seem to be missing is these songs are put together in a fashion to increase your productivity in the workplace and increase sales in public areas by the phenomena I discussed and phenomena I haven't discussed. Its production is calculated to the minute. That is GENIUS. Functional music at a pinnacle.

Moreover, Muzak is a company and not a genre. People seem to place a genre to cheesy instrumental versions of original songs by calling it muzak.

If you find it disgusting to listen too or if it annoys you, good. You aren't supposed to listen. If you do, good.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 10:52:59 AM
Hi btpaul74 --

I'm guessing you've had to read a lot of Edwin Gordon at OSU?

No, actually. I'm very familiar with GIML but most of my reading is Huron, Sloboda, Levitin, Snyder, and countless journal articles.


On Muzak:

If you can get your hands on this book, read it:

http://www.amazon.ca/Muzak-Hidden-Messages-Psychology-Culture/dp/0889464340/ref=sr_1_10/702-4948943-3184828?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186170735&sr=1-10
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 10:56:14 AM
Are you considering that Brittney Spears, Nsync, The Bee Gees, various American Idol winners, are composing "genius" music? Say what you want about research and all your jargon, but this music flat out sucks big time. If you didn't read my post, I'm not talking about the dumbed down instrumental muzak, but the muzak stations that now stream POPULAR MUSIC that is grating on the nerves.

"It is supposed to alter your arousal," or turn you into a mindless shopping zombie? That, my friend, is the question. I don't believe that this goal is to be admired. If anything, it's a sad comment on the collective intelligence of our fellow man.

After your edit:

Mindless shopping zombie in an ideal capitalist world. But to increase sales, indeed. I believe its a happy comment on the power of man's intelligence. The benefits of such research are just beginning to yield what is possible with controlled music.

The Rite of Spring, Muzak, General Noriega, etc., look at what music is capable of. 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Don on August 03, 2007, 11:08:35 AM
I could care less if it's a Muzak version King Crimson or Young Jeezy or Champaign. I could care less if its Muzak of 'my funny valentine' or 'giant steps.' The point people seem to be missing is these songs are put together in a fashion to increase your productivity in the workplace and increase sales in public areas by the phenomena I discussed and phenomena I haven't discussed. Its production is calculated to the minute. That is GENIUS. Functional music at a pinnacle.


I have a different take on it.  I find that since this music has the purpose of manipulating listeners, those who provide it are operating on a somewhat immoral level.  Put another way, its purpose is entirely extra-musical.  So I consider it offensive.  By the way, I used to exist in a workplace that used this stuff, and it did not have the intended effect on me.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 03, 2007, 11:10:20 AM
When I was in high school there was this guy in my French class that would impress the girls by playing the piano line from a Coldplay song. I had to restrain myself from lobbing a boot at his head every time.
ha, is that all it takes?
girls don't have high standards, do they, lol
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 11:15:58 AM
By the way, I used to exist in a workplace that used this stuff, and it did not have the intended effect on me.

What did you observe?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Don on August 03, 2007, 11:22:36 AM
What did you observe?

I saw and heard quite a few folks bitching about the music they were required to endure.  This resulted in a number of them bringing in their own music and headphones which pissed off the bosses.  Eventually, the piped-in music went bye-bye.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 11:28:22 AM
I saw and heard quite a few folks bitching about the music they were required to endure.  This resulted in a number of them bringing in their own music and headphones which pissed off the bosses.  Eventually, the piped-in music went bye-bye.

Cool. Great observation. This happens more often then not. It goes without saying that companies and their goals differ from one business to the next. Often the environment could do without Muzak or any form of music in general. It doesn't change the fact that Muzak exists, does work, and helps with profit.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Don on August 03, 2007, 11:38:44 AM
Cool. Great observation. This happens more often then not. It goes without saying that companies and their goals differ from one business to the next. Often the environment could do without Muzak or any form of music in general. It doesn't change the fact that Muzak exists, does work, and helps with profit.

And it doesn't change the fact that Muzak sucks.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 12:23:18 PM
your dislike for the Muzak Corporation only fuels their drive.  ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 03, 2007, 08:35:31 PM
After your edit:

Mindless shopping zombie in an ideal capitalist world. But to increase sales, indeed. I believe its a happy comment on the power of man's intelligence. The benefits of such research are just beginning to yield what is possible with controlled music.

The Rite of Spring, Muzak, General Noriega, etc., look at what music is capable of. 

Define "ideal" capitalist world? I don't understand why piped in music should be tolerated by anyone. Please do consider the unfortunate workers that have to listen to the same bland music day in and day out. It's torture. Again, I say it; and it's true. Virtually no one in my building save for a few even like the music that is played by the muzak station.

As far as the whole idea of, 'if it makes money, it's good'. There are so many factors to consider. How many Nsync fans today are embarrassed to admit that they were so into them? Were they interested in the music, or the sex appeal? Would you consider this distinction important? How about marketing? Most of the cost of a new CD is to cover the group's promotional budget: air play, MTV, mainstream exposure... With this kind of monstrous promotional backing (that the comsumer pays for) from major labels, is it really fair to say that one kind of music is better because it was shoved down the throats of the most people? Brian Eno and John Cale aren't household names, but they propably would have been if they have the millions of dollars from their company making sure that radio stations played them every hour, and did promotions to have people win concert tickets and such. This is admirable? The Music Business? Call me old fashioned, but I view music as the highest art.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: btpaul674 on August 03, 2007, 10:31:52 PM
Ideal Capitalist world was my gross exaggeration to yours.

I'll preface by making these points: I agree that music is the highest art form as do you. I agree that a listener has the right to choose his or her own music. Do I think sex and money drive the current Pop music industry? Even into some of the non-pop music? Yes. Do I wish money was in control of all mainstream music? No and yes. Yes because it gets some people involved. Do I listen to Muzak personally? Hell no. Do I deal with it in my current workplace? Yes. Does it get on my nerves? Sometimes. Does it increase my productivity? Yes when I'm not listening. I think if I brought in my own music, I wouldn't work at all. I would listen. Nothing gets done.

This is similar tothe NAPS theory of music. This Non-Adaptive-Pleasure Seeking theory of music basically details that Pleasure Seeking systems release endorphins in the brain. Eating, having sex, defecation, taking drugs, exercising, drinking, smoking, camaraderie, etc all release endorphins in neural pathways in the brain. Some of these are Adaptive Pleasure seeking. They serve a biological purpose. (eating, having sex, defecation, etc.) The others, the Non-Adaptive pleasure seekers (drugs, drinking, smoking) do not serve a biological purpose. Well since music releases endorphins in the brain, does it serve a biological purpose? We don't know and in current research its 50/50. However, when you have something that releases endorphins in the brain (for example, music you LIKE), you are prone to focus your attention on it and neglect your responsibilities. Heroin does the same thing. Heroin users neglect their young and the young often die, they neglect their responsibilities. In the workplace, if you are subject to music you like, you are not going to be productive. So what about no music in the workplace at all? A happy medium? Well the Muzak researchers will promote their product saying their Muzak is better than no music at all. IT WORKS.

Why should anyone tolerate it? Well, I think a lot of employers would tell you to stop listening and start working and you should hear the music, not listen to it. (Does not reflect what I would tell you.) Why I think you should tolerate it, or appreciate it? Because it works. And I do not call the Muzak itself art, I call its extra-musical product art. The shaping of a human mind, how disgusting and invasive it may seem.

A point Don made earlier:

"I find that since this music has the purpose of manipulating listeners, those who provide it are operating on a somewhat immoral level.  Put another way, its purpose is entirely extra-musical.  So I consider it offensive"

The same occurs with all advertisement and movie music you've heard. In fact, MOST music listened to operates for an extra-musical purpose. Is all music offensive to you? Hell since high school I've wanted to create music with nothing but an extra-musical consequence. Music that is of the highest functional form to manipulate the listener or convey concrete ideas. Current studies being conducted are starting to tell us how possible this is.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Heather Harrison on August 04, 2007, 03:40:52 AM
The piped-in music I hear in stores often makes me want to leave, and I have sometimes walked out without making my intended purchase because I can't stand what they are playing.  I know they have done a lot of research on it, and on balance it probably does have the effect they are after, but sometimes it does backfire.  I'm glad this stuff isn't around where I work - it would drive me crazy to have it playing in the background all the time.

For me, the most boring music is best described by a term one of my friends coined a few years ago - "tuneless tunes".  This can describe the sort of music that is often piped into stores and other businesses, but the term was intended to refer to the sort of music that usually accompanies corporate training or promotional films.  Tuneless tunes tend to be upbeat in a sickening way, and they are of course very simple in nature.  To actually pay attention to this music would be torture, so it is probably a good thing that it is intended to be in the background.  Unfortunately, I naturally pay attention to whatever music is around me (this is probably why bland piped-in music bothers me), so when I encounter tuneless tunes I get annoyed.  However, if tuneless tunes have one saving grace, it is that they are sometimes unintentionally funny, especially when combined with silly corporate or government propaganda films.  Some of the tuneless tunes of the 1950's and 1960's are actually so funny in combination with their crude propaganda films that they manage to become interesting.  (I actually like to watch propaganda films from this time because they are so funny.)  Maybe the modern ones will become interesting in 30 or 40 years after they have become dated.

In the area of classical music, there isn't much that I find truly boring.  Sometimes, I find music of the Classic period boring (but certainly not to the same level as tuneless tunes).  The Classic period tends to be afflicted by a degree of sameness; the structures became so rigid that everything starts to sound the same after a while.  I find that this applies to the mediocre earlier works of Mozart and Haydn, and to many of the lesser composers.  Of course, some of my favorite music comes from this time; when composers actually make the idiom of the time work well, the results are incredible.  Also, when composers mess with the structures and create something unique, it dispels the boredom that might otherwise set in.  (I seldom find C.P.E. Bach boring; his music frequently deviates considerably from the norm.)  When I want background music, I often play some of the lighter music of this time; it may be a bit on the boring side, but I don't find it the least bit annoying.

Heather
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 04, 2007, 04:10:18 AM
For me, the most boring music is best described by a term one of my friends coined a few years ago - "tuneless tunes".  This can describe the sort of music that is often piped into stores and other businesses, but the term was intended to refer to the sort of music that usually accompanies corporate training or promotional films.  Tuneless tunes tend to be upbeat in a sickening way, and they are of course very simple in nature.  To actually pay attention to this music would be torture, so it is probably a good thing that it is intended to be in the background.  Unfortunately, I naturally pay attention to whatever music is around me (this is probably why bland piped-in music bothers me), so when I encounter tuneless tunes I get annoyed.

I love those. They usually have this sort of "It's 1995 all over again" feel. Where I work we have these DVDs that play trailers and advertisements all day, and are changed every two weeks. For some reason they thought that adding music videos would increase our sales. Sometimes I can ignore it, but often it becomes excruciating (Smash Mouth's "All Star" comes to mind).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: 71 dB on August 04, 2007, 06:15:32 AM
Call me old fashioned, but I view music as the highest art.

Architecture is the King of art. Music is the Queen.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidW on August 04, 2007, 06:37:56 AM
Most boring music?

Obligatory joke: Cage 4 33. ;D

I'm not sure what this thread serves except to potentially piss people off.  As a hypothetical consider this: say some anonymous Joe Blow poster from Amsterdam doesn't like Haydn with no reason given.  Should I care?  Have I learned anything important to me?  Will I reevaluate my music or at least understand another perspective? 

Nah the only reaction from me is a whatever dude as I page down.  Maybe to some they'll react with that's fighting words, either way nothing is gained.  A thread that's just like "list music you don't like" is a bit silly imo. ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: BachQ on August 04, 2007, 07:04:34 AM
As a hypothetical consider this: say some anonymous Joe Blow poster from Amsterdam doesn't like Haydn with no reason given. 


How dare he ..........
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 04, 2007, 08:43:04 AM
I have a different take on it.  I find that since this music has the purpose of manipulating listeners, those who provide it are operating on a somewhat immoral level.  Put another way, its purpose is entirely extra-musical.  So I consider it offensive.  By the way, I used to exist in a workplace that used this stuff, and it did not have the intended effect on me.

Excellent points, Don.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 04, 2007, 10:54:51 AM
(eating, having sex, defecation, etc.)
hopefully not at the same time.....

The piped-in music I hear in stores often makes me want to leave, and I have sometimes walked out without making my intended purchase because I can't stand what they are playing.  I know they have done a lot of research on it, and on balance it probably does have the effect they are after, but sometimes it does backfire.  I'm glad this stuff isn't around where I work - it would drive me crazy to have it playing in the background all the time.
ugggghhhhhh now this thread is making me think about the music in kfc today that i had to listen to while filling out a job application. It's not elevator music, but it's pop-ish- a reggaeton song and then an American Idol-sounding song, actually almost all pop music makes me want to bash my head against a wall. It's so freaking boring that listening to it is torture, and i start craving music that doesn't sound like mush.... hmmm, now that I think about it, I started thinking about the Rite of Spring not long after that, I'm wondering if it was a survival mechanism to avoid pain?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 04, 2007, 01:25:22 PM
Mahler may be overindulgent and narcissistic, but boring he is not.

Bruckner is.
Bruckner is gripping.
Listening the development of pieces like the 5th symphony is captivating, so greatly interesting.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 04, 2007, 02:59:19 PM
hopefully not at the same time.....

Or perhaps no more than two out of three . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Don on August 04, 2007, 03:02:55 PM
your dislike for the Muzak Corporation only fuels their drive.  ;)

Nah, they don't know I exist.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Bonehelm on August 04, 2007, 04:57:47 PM
For those folks who think Bruckner is boring, I strongly recommend you to get a copy of Wand/HvK/Jochum/Celly's 4th or 7th, listen to it over and over again, and then tell us your thoughts again. It won't take very long before those two charming, melodiously rich symphonies grab you in your soul.

If anyone's advice were to be taken seriously in this thread, they are M forever and Larry Rinkel. This is not only my opinion, those two are known here as knowled
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Bonehelm on August 04, 2007, 04:58:40 PM
For those folks who think Bruckner is boring, I strongly recommend you to get a copy of Wand/HvK/Jochum/Celly's 4th or 7th, listen to it over and over again, and then tell us your thoughts again. It won't take very long before those two charming, melodiously rich symphonies grab you in your soul.

If anyone's advice were to be taken seriously in this thread, they are M forever and Larry Rinkel. This is not only my opinion, those two are known here as knowledgeable music scholars.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidW on August 04, 2007, 05:03:42 PM
hopefully not at the same time.....

That would be exactly like that episode of Futurama where Bender became human.  He died in a week. ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 05, 2007, 05:53:45 AM
For those folks who think Bruckner is boring, I strongly recommend you to get a copy of Wand/HvK/Jochum/Celly's 4th or 7th, listen to it over and over again, and then tell us your thoughts again. It won't take very long before those two charming, melodiously rich symphonies grab you in your soul.

If anyone's advice were to be taken seriously in this thread, they are M forever and Larry Rinkel. This is not only my opinion, those two are known here as knowled

Heinz Rogner's 4th, and Schuricht's 5th, and of course, 6th with solti.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: vandermolen on August 06, 2007, 10:35:31 PM
The most boring work I know is "Ein Heldenleben" by Richard Strauss
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 07, 2007, 12:23:08 PM
One of my favourite works.
Ein Heldenleben is a fantastic piece, various in textures, forms, rythms and melodies, with a very rich orchestration.

What a great thread, we talk mainly about my favourite composers : haydn, Bruckner and now Strauss
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: vandermolen on August 07, 2007, 02:09:07 PM
One of my favourite works.
Ein Heldenleben is a fantastic piece, various in textures, forms, rythms and melodies, with a very rich orchestration.

What a great thread, we talk mainly about my favourite composers : haydn, Bruckner and now Strauss

Right, I must listen to it again to see if I like it more :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: andy on August 12, 2007, 01:31:38 PM
The most boring work I know is "Ein Heldenleben" by Richard Strauss

I find it interesting, but verging on boring, but I think this is due to the recording I have. I've got Reiner and the CSO and it just doesn't do it for me... sounds analytic and lifeless... anyone got any recommendations?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Chaszz on August 12, 2007, 02:25:26 PM
Boring...Haydn (sorry, Gurn).

Also Wagner's non-instrumental music is anything BUT boring (sorry again, Gurn).

Actually this all just proves that one man's meat is another's poison... If a composer is still popular more than a century after his death, those who do not get him simply do not get him, which is a lesson for both Gurn and myself. And for a certain person we both once knew well, who simply did not get Bach.  It is all, or not, in the genes and the little chemicals.

Chaszz
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Papageno on August 12, 2007, 03:37:45 PM
Some American love-song by a castrato-like pop singer, what's his name?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Scriptavolant on August 12, 2007, 04:24:28 PM
Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Medtner. As a whole piano virtuosity; to me it is the musical equivalent of verbosity in speech.
For what I remember, I've found boring most Bax, some Raff, Elgar symphonies.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mahlertitan on August 13, 2007, 07:44:44 AM
Some American love-song by a castrato-like pop singer, what's his name?

oh, you reminded me, castratos, they bored me, and also freak me out at the same time (they way the hit those notes).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 13, 2007, 07:44:58 AM
Boring...Haydn (sorry, Gurn).
One thing is sure. Haydn's music is far from being easy for our XXIth century's ears.
His concertos, the easiest of his works in my opinion, are not the most famous.
There is still something for you to discover in music.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Papageno on August 13, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
oh, you reminded me, castratos, they bored me, and also freak me out at the same time (they way the hit those notes).

Blunt is his name.  I remember.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Tapio Dimitriyevich Shostakovich on August 05, 2008, 06:52:55 AM
Blunt is his name.  I remember.
Blunt. James Blunt.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 05, 2008, 07:11:36 AM
"Blunt by name but not by nature . . . ."
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: 71 dB on August 05, 2008, 07:13:16 AM
I find it interesting, but verging on boring, but I think this is due to the recording I have. I've got Reiner and the CSO and it just doesn't do it for me... sounds analytic and lifeless... anyone got any recommendations?

I have National Symphony Orchestra of Ireland/Gerhard Markson on Naxos and I don't find it boring at all.  :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on August 05, 2008, 10:53:17 AM
The most boring work I know is "Ein Heldenleben" by Richard Strauss

Strongly seconded, but somehow we agree in these matters often, don't we?  :D ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: ChamberNut on August 05, 2008, 12:18:05 PM
The most boring work I know is "Ein Heldenleben" by Richard Strauss

Oh my!  :o  Oh well, to each their own.  One of the most exciting works I heard live at a concert was Ein Heldenleben.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 05, 2008, 12:33:43 PM
I met a man recently who claimed his son was a composer of "classical music" and he told me to check out his website. I won't post it here because it doesn't matter. Anyways, my hopes were dashed immediately when I heard that it was actually pretty sounding new age music designed to be listened to during yoga, or while you're lighting incense, surrounded by scented candles, and taking a bubble bath all at the same time. Yikes! That's gotta be the most boring music I can imagine. Although the electronic/ambient genre has some artists of actual merit, including: Brian Eno, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Lustmord, and so on. It's "background" music for atmosphere but their music is actually interesting and artistic, rather than functional "mood" music.

I still don't understand how that boy's father could have this new age stuff confused with the likes of Mozart and Beethoven!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 05, 2008, 12:42:50 PM
After your edit:

Mindless shopping zombie in an ideal capitalist world. But to increase sales, indeed. I believe its a happy comment on the power of man's intelligence. The benefits of such research are just beginning to yield what is possible with controlled music.

The Rite of Spring, Muzak, General Noriega, etc., look at what music is capable of. 

Wow, this is an old thread and I didn't even realize it. I was surprised to find myself quoted while backtracking from my new post. So to refresh, I'll see if I follow your argument. 1) Man's place on planet Earth is to be a comsumer. 2) Muzak was invented to make man a "better" consumer. 3) Muzak is good because it makes man into more of a consumer? I'm lost. ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 05, 2008, 02:12:35 PM
I met a man recently who claimed his son was a composer of "classical music" and he told me to check out his website. I won't post it here because it doesn't matter. Anyways, my hopes were dashed immediately when I heard that it was actually pretty sounding new age music designed to be listened to during yoga, or while you're lighting incense, surrounded by scented candles, and taking a bubble bath all at the same time. Yikes! That's gotta be the most boring music I can imagine. Although the electronic/ambient genre has some artists of actual merit, including: Brian Eno, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Lustmord, and so on. It's "background" music for atmosphere but their music is actually interesting and artistic, rather than functional "mood" music.

I still don't understand how that boy's father could have this new age stuff confused with the likes of Mozart and Beethoven!
The music market itself (or a big portion, at least) seem to have them confused, especially with all the "Classical Music for Meditation/Relaxation" discs out there. Next time they decide to put one out, i'll have to call them and send in a request....... "hey, there's this totally chillin' track by Xenakis called 'Jonchaies'"  >:D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Est.1965 on August 05, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
Messiaen - his music was a lot of pretentious nonsense, I couldn't possibly sit through a 'performance' of anything by him.  Boring because it doesn't make sense.  Maybe it's just that I've never liked where he takes me.
However, I accept that I do like Lutoslawski a LOT, and much of his work doesn't make much sense either, but he has a glorious habit of taking me to unearthy places which I like very much.  So I guess what I'm saying is... here's two very different composers whose music to a Romantic period lover makes no sense whatsoever - Messiaen with his pretence in a boring quasi-religious and unpallatable style, and Lutoslawski with his brain tickling quirky madness who really wants to toss your brain around a bit.
Don't know why I brought Lutoslawski into it, really.  All I needed to say was Messiaen... :-\
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 05, 2008, 06:18:23 PM
Wow, this is an old thread and I didn't even realize it. I was surprised to find myself quoted while backtracking from my new post. So to refresh, I'll see if I follow your argument. 1) Man's place on planet Earth is to be a comsumer. 2) Muzak was invented to make man a "better" consumer. 3) Muzak is good because it makes man into more of a consumer? I'm lost. ;)
Muzak® was invented to increase worker productivity. 

The most boring music I've heard?  I once heard something by a pop band called Rush.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Tapio Dimitriyevich Shostakovich on August 05, 2008, 07:00:21 PM
The music market itself (or a big portion, at least) seem to have them confused, especially with all the "Classical Music for Meditation/Relaxation" discs out there. Next time they decide to put one out, i'll have to call them and send in a request....... "hey, there's this totally chillin' track by Xenakis called 'Jonchaies'"  >:D
This is probably to elevate that simple "music" to a higher level.
"Chilling", haha, how I like this term. This anglicism is used here in germany by maybe people <30yrs. "Wir chillen" means nothing else than "we're bored, sit together and don't know how to use our time". Also like a marketing strategy, elevating the boredom to a higher level.
They say "wir chillen", we said "wir gammeln herum" (http://www.dict.cc/?s=herumgammeln).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on August 05, 2008, 07:06:59 PM
Skinny white guys with grating falsetto voices that make pretentious, soulless and over-produced pop — replete with cheesy string arrangements and bad piano playing.  :-X
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Philoctetes on August 06, 2008, 02:37:02 AM
Stravinsky still has the consistent ability to lull me to sleep.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on August 06, 2008, 03:59:09 AM
Stravinsky still has the consistent ability to lull me to sleep.

You must be referring to the great & lovely Berceuse from The Firebird, in the Suite just preceding the Finale.  ;) A pity you seem to be missing the Finale, everytime  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Hector on August 06, 2008, 05:04:28 AM
Amazing.

I think that if you let this thread run long enough every composer that ever lived and every music genre would be cited as "boring" by someone.

I do not find Rachmaninov boring, I simply, do not like him.

I find Hans Huber bland and boring and there is a lot of it available on CD.

I do find Telemann boring but whoever said that he helps you get to sleep is spot on.

However, I do find some performances of certain composers boring or, most times, merely annoying.

Jochum's Bruckner symphonies, for example. Try Wand.

There are so many "safe" recordings of Mahler out there as to make me, for one, sorry I ever heard, let alone, bought them (Chailly, MTT...). Who is next up to bore us with his "vision" of the 6th, for example (who hasn't recorded it, yet?)?

This is my personal point of view (and let's face it, Stravinsky could be as dull and as boring as any on occasion...oops, how did that slip in...what I meant was...).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 06, 2008, 05:16:20 AM
I do find Telemann boring but whoever said that he helps you get to sleep is spot on.

Myself, I prefer even to fall asleep to music which I actually like . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 06, 2008, 05:33:36 AM
The most boring music I've heard?  I once heard something by a pop band called Rush.
I assume it wasn't YYZ.


This is probably to elevate that simple "music" to a higher level.
"Chilling", haha, how I like this term. This anglicism is used here in germany by maybe people <30yrs. "Wir chillen" means nothing else than "we're bored, sit together and don't know how to use our time". Also like a marketing strategy, elevating the boredom to a higher level.
They say "wir chillen", we said "wir gammeln herum" (http://www.dict.cc/?s=herumgammeln).
Interesting......  makes me wonder how/why they started picking that up in Germany.... and if the term is in common use in England, too.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: zamyrabyrd on August 06, 2008, 06:15:13 AM
I recently saw a film on Philip Glass "in 12 parts". It was well done and interesting but thank goodness there were only clips of his music and one did not have to endure 5 hours of it. I was irritated by the constant triadic harmony, easy enough to doodle around on the piano.

Though I like most good music, Chinese music if based on equally irritating repetitive pentatonic scales, makes me want to run for cover.

ZB

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Tapio Dimitriyevich Shostakovich on August 06, 2008, 07:27:51 AM
Interesting......  makes me wonder how/why they started picking that up in Germany
It started with those "chill out zones" in clubs and discos. These areas with ambient music and hanging around. This term got transformed to the real life hanging around situations.
Why? Germans generally think, anglicizing terms elevates the terms/their contents to a higher level, it's some kind of window-dressing. Also brownnosing, but I think I've already said that ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Moldyoldie on August 06, 2008, 07:38:48 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/612APNRPP2L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Glière: Symphony No. 3 "Ilya Murometz"
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Harold Farberman, cond.
UNICORN-KANCHANA (2 CDs)

I don't know if it's Glière's work or the performance, but this is by far the most boring thing I've ever heard in my entire listening life -- where I've said, "You've gotta be kidding me!" >:(
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 06, 2008, 07:41:54 AM
Glière: Symphony No. 3 "Ilya Murometz"
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Harold Farberman, cond.
UNICORN-KANCHANA (2 CDs)

I don't know if it's Gliere's work or the performance, but this is by far the most boring thing I've ever heard in my entire listening life -- where I've said, "You've gotta be kidding me!" >:(

Could be a dud recording/performance;  a couple of friends of mine like the piece very well.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: ChamberNut on August 06, 2008, 07:46:11 AM
Sousa's Stars & Stripes Forever.

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 06, 2008, 10:00:51 AM
It started with those "chill out zones" in clubs and discos. These areas with ambient music and hanging around. This term got transformed to the real life hanging around situations.
Why? Germans generally think, anglicizing terms elevates the terms/their contents to a higher level, it's some kind of window-dressing. Also brownnosing, but I think I've already said that ;)

Quote
anglicizing terms elevates the terms/their contents to a higher level,
huh..... obviously something i don't get, and would never understand lol
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Grazioso on August 06, 2008, 12:37:20 PM
The most boring music I've heard?  I once heard something by a pop band called Rush.

They're not a "pop" band, but rather are typically considered prog rock and are both lyrically and musically rather more interesting and intelligent than most rock out there.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 06, 2008, 01:04:44 PM
They're not a "pop" band, but rather are typically considered prog rock and are both lyrically and musically rather more interesting and intelligent than most rock out there.
Yep--pop. And what I heard was neither lyrically nor musically intelligent, but about as vapid as it gets.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Siedler on August 06, 2008, 01:12:27 PM
Cage's 4'33"  >:D Now that's music I could (and do) fall asleep to!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Brian on August 06, 2008, 01:12:54 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/612APNRPP2L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Glière: Symphony No. 3 "Ilya Murometz"
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Harold Farberman, cond.
UNICORN-KANCHANA (2 CDs)

I don't know if it's Glière's work or the performance, but this is by far the most boring thing I've ever heard in my entire listening life -- where I've said, "You've gotta be kidding me!" >:(
DEFINITELY the performance. Farberman's account is roughly 15-20 minutes slower than everybody else's (it's the only one on 2 CDs). Gliere's work is basically a big sprawling confabulation of all the Russian romantic composers and styles, so it certainly is fun to listen to ... when you listen to a better performance.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Lethevich on August 06, 2008, 04:09:15 PM
I didn't think that I would have an answer for this thread, as I enjoy an aspect of basically everything, but I thought of an exception: Reich's Four Organs. I can find no redeeming qualities in this pedantic piece.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: eyeresist on August 06, 2008, 10:17:02 PM
All music I don't like is boring.


There are so many "safe" recordings of Mahler out there as to make me, for one, sorry I ever heard, let alone, bought them (Chailly, MTT...). Who is next up to bore us with his "vision" of the 6th, for example (who hasn't recorded it, yet?)?

Who's your top tip for the inglorious 6th?
 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 07, 2008, 12:21:29 AM
Interesting......  makes me wonder how/why they started picking that up in Germany.... and if the term is in common use in England, too.

Dutch teenagers use it, too.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: sound67 on August 07, 2008, 01:52:22 AM
Wilhelm Furtwängler's drearily ersatz-Brucknerian 2nd Symphony, as conducted by Daniel Barenboim. Even his strong advocacy could inject ANY life into this lumbering monstrosity.

The Gliere 3rd is a masterpiece by comparison. Indeed it is a minor masterpiece.

Thomas
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 07, 2008, 06:59:27 AM
Muzak® was invented to increase worker productivity. 

The most boring music I've heard?  I once heard something by a pop band called Rush.

I've worked under muzak for the past eight years. All it has accomplished is that it causes mild depression during boring stretches of the day. In eight years I've met enough people to count on one hand that actually liked the music. Everyone else loathes it. I could easily put together a playlist of real music that would serve the same "worker productivity" purpose better. I'll show a quick sample list off the top of my head:

Vashti Bunyan "Swallow Song"
Nick Drake "Time of No Reply"
Brian Eno "Here He Comes"
John Cale "Half Past France"
Velvet Underground "Pale Blue Eyes"
Leonard Cohen "Sisters of Mercy"
Slowdive "Alison"
Camel "Air Born"

I could go on and on but I don't want this to become a project (that leads nowhere). The point I'm trying to make is that all of the above songs could be inserted into a muzak station (that plays actual rock/pop songs, not "elevator music") seamlessly, but they are artistically strong offerings, that would heighten the work experience rather than put you in a coma. I know that everyone's musical tastes vary and that not everyone would like/understand the above listed music, but they at least aspired to be art, rather than product.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 07, 2008, 07:06:26 AM
I spent the afternoon listening to it once again, hoping my response would be more favorable this time. But no. I have to say the most boring music I know is Bach's St. Matthew Passion. There, I've admitted it. I feel so much better now.  ;D


Sarge
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 07, 2008, 08:05:12 AM
I spent the afternoon listening to it once again, hoping my response would be more favorable this time. But no. I have to say the most boring music I know is Bach's St. Matthew Passion. There, I've admitted it. I feel so much better now.  ;D

It is (* ahem *) dreadful, perfectly dreadful, that I cannot greatly dispute with you, Sarge.  I cannot take this for more than one disc at a time; and while there is much that I like, it is entirely too, erm, penitential an experience to my liking.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 07, 2008, 09:02:17 AM
Are we then all crawling out of our bunkers... If I never heard Bach's St. Matthew Passion anymore, I wouldn't be heart-broken, either.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: 71 dB on August 07, 2008, 09:04:51 AM
I cannot take this for more than one disc at a time.

I think we are supposed to take one disc at a time instead of listening to them all simultanuously.   :P

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 07, 2008, 09:09:27 AM
I spent the afternoon listening to it once again, hoping my response would be more favorable this time. But no. I have to say the most boring music I know is Bach's St. Matthew Passion. There, I've admitted it. I feel so much better now.  ;D

Sarge

 ::)

It is (* ahem *) dreadful, perfectly dreadful, that I cannot greatly dispute with you, Sarge.  I cannot take this for more than one disc at a time; and while there is much that I like, it is entirely too, erm, penitential an experience to my liking.

 :-[

Are we then all crawling out of our bunkers... If I never heard Bach's St. Matthew Passion anymore, I wouldn't be heart-broken, either.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

 :'(

Kommt ihr Töchter, hilft mir klagen . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 07, 2008, 09:11:53 AM
I think we are supposed to take one disc at a time instead of listening to them all simultanuously.   :P

 ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 07, 2008, 09:13:35 AM
Sforz, at some point I will sit down and listen to the whole ench, score in hand.  Maybe that will do the trick.

At press-time, though, I greatly fear me I shan't stay awake the whole time  :(
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 07, 2008, 09:27:33 AM
ah the prodigal son...

give it some time karl, you'll come around...

Maybe he was listening to a HIP recording. Try one of the good ones.  :D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 07, 2008, 09:32:21 AM
No, neither of the ones I've listened to seems to be HIP . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 07, 2008, 09:39:23 AM
  :'(

Kommt ihr Töchter, hilft mir klagen . . . .

Not so quick, Sfz - I love the instrumental Bach. The vocal I can stomach only partially (chorales, for instance).

All is not lost. Nor am I!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 07, 2008, 09:51:26 AM
Well, I will agree with the person who claimed Messiaen boring. At least the Messiaen of St. Francis of Assisi. As I said on another thread, you'd need the patience of a saint. . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 07, 2008, 10:01:20 AM
I've worked under muzak for the past eight years. All it has accomplished is that it causes mild depression during boring stretches of the day. In eight years I've met enough people to count on one hand that actually liked the music. Everyone else loathes it. I could easily put together a playlist of real music that would serve the same "worker productivity" purpose better.
No, that would defeat the purpose.  If you were to use real music, workers might consciously listen to it.  The stuff is suposed to work subliminally--something akin to the subsonic heartbeat playback hucksters use to increase audience susceptibility to suggestion.  There's probably a website that explains Muzak® if you're really interested. 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 07, 2008, 10:52:26 AM
The stuff is suposed to work subliminally--something akin to the subsonic heartbeat playback hucksters use to increase audience susceptibility to suggestion.

Yes, it's supposed to. But in effect it often works as an active nuisance . . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 07, 2008, 05:11:55 PM
Not so quick, Sfz - I love the instrumental Bach. The vocal I can stomach only partially (chorales, for instance).

All is not lost. Nor am I!

Well, yes, admittedly the St. Matthew Passion lacks the festive brilliance of the B minor mass or the Magnificat, and it is more introspective, far longer, and somewhat less dramatic than the St. John. But only the instrumental works, Jez? Then you're missing a great deal of first-class Bach: the mass, the cantatas, passions, motets . . .
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: eyeresist on August 07, 2008, 05:17:08 PM
I think we are supposed to take one disc at a time instead of listening to them all simultanuously.   :P

Speed-listening. It sounds worse but ends much quicker. I should try it for Wagner.
 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on August 07, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
No, that would defeat the purpose.  If you were to use real music, workers might consciously listen to it.  The stuff is suposed to work subliminally--something akin to the subsonic heartbeat playback hucksters use to increase audience susceptibility to suggestion.  There's probably a website that explains Muzak® if you're really interested. 

I do understand it, but I fight it like Tyranny! I don't work under the original "muzak," but rather one of their (muzak's) stations that plays a mix of popular music spanning from the 60's to present time. These are actual songs that play on the radio, rather than straight muzak. And it's pretty much impossible to NOT listen to them consciously. I know most of the words of the songs, and I can anticipate the chorus within the first few bars of the song. Knowing that I have to hear the same songs day in a day out, and bad ones at that, cause mild feelings of depression, or simply irritation. This music in no way makes workers more productive. If I could simply ignore the music, then it would be no problem. So I figure that if I have to LISTEN to the music, then the music might as well be good.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 07, 2008, 11:05:26 PM
Well, yes, admittedly the St. Matthew Passion lacks the festive brilliance of the B minor mass or the Magnificat, and it is more introspective, far longer, and somewhat less dramatic than the St. John. But only the instrumental works, Jez? Then you're missing a great deal of first-class Bach: the mass, the cantatas, passions, motets . . .

I know, I know. But we all develop in different ways. Perhaps the vocal Bach is a revelatory experience for my maturer years...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Grazioso on August 08, 2008, 02:26:03 AM
Yep--pop. And what I heard was neither lyrically nor musically intelligent, but about as vapid as it gets.

To call Rush a pop band would be like insisting Debussy is Baroque or Louis Armstrong is free jazz. Either you're not listening critically or don't know the difference.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 08, 2008, 02:37:02 AM
No, neither of the ones I've listened to seems to be HIP . . . .

My SMP isn't HIP either, and the soloists are artists I admire, even love (Mathis, Baker, Schreier, DF-D, Salminen). As I was listening, though, I thought just the opposite of Sfz's comment: that I might enjoy a HIP performance more (it would probably be over quicker anyway  ;D )

To regain some of my lost credibility, I will say I like the St. John Passion, and love the Weinachtsoratorium and the B minor Mass. It's only the SMP I find intolerably stuffy and boring: like a 20 minute Lutheran sermon expanded to three and a half hours....*shudder*

Sarge
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 08, 2008, 02:43:23 AM
I do understand it, but I fight it like Tyranny! I don't work under the original "muzak," but rather one of their (muzak's) stations that plays a mix of popular music spanning from the 60's to present time. These are actual songs that play on the radio, rather than straight muzak. And it's pretty much impossible to NOT listen to them consciously. I know most of the words of the songs, and I can anticipate the chorus within the first few bars of the song. Knowing that I have to hear the same songs day in a day out, and bad ones at that, cause mild feelings of depression, or simply irritation. This music in no way makes workers more productive. If I could simply ignore the music, then it would be no problem. So I figure that if I have to LISTEN to the music, then the music might as well be good.
Ah, I see.  It's not Muzak®, just piped in pop music that you don't like.  I wouldn't like that either and would probably protest...but without much hope of change. 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 08, 2008, 03:28:32 AM
To call Rush a pop band would be like insisting Debussy is Baroque or Louis Armstrong is free jazz. Either you're not listening critically or don't know the difference.
Ah.  You're using "pop" to refer only to the genre within pop music sometimes called "pop" or "pure pop," distinguishing it from other types of pop music, like disco, country, R&B, soul, hip hop, salsa, rock and roll, rock, etc.  I'm using "pop" in the broad sense.  Rush is a pop band, just like Debussy is a classical composer (but neither Classical nor Baroque).

I've had similar discussions before, even on this forum, usually with fans of "progressive rock" or one of the sub-sub-genres of metal ("I'll have some Speed/Death/Heavy/Black/Thrash Metal with a lemon twist on the rocks, please").  No good purpose is likely to be served by speculating about the reasons for that, so I won't.  ;D

 




Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DFO on August 08, 2008, 07:14:02 AM
Boring? Anything by Haendel's. Can't stand it.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 08, 2008, 07:25:42 AM
Boring? Anything by Haendel's. Can't stand it.
Welcome, DFO!  Have you ever visited http://classicalmusicmayhem.freeforums.org (http://classicalmusicmayhem.freeforums.org) ?  >:D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 08, 2008, 07:29:47 AM
Welcome, DFO!  Have you ever visited http://classicalmusicmayhem.freeforums.org (http://classicalmusicmayhem.freeforums.org) ?  >:D

Don't listen to him, DFO...  ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: karlhenning on August 08, 2008, 07:42:22 AM
Thank you for the merry mirth, friends!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on August 08, 2008, 07:54:26 AM
Thank you for the merry mirth, friends!
We aim to please!  (Not everyone, of course.  Some we aim to cause sufficient irritation that they may repent the error of their ways.  >:D  Mirth provocation is intended only for those able to appreciate it.  8) I should probably do penance of some sort (listening to Handel, perhaps?) for steering an unsuspecting newbie toward the Corkster, but something told me DFO can handle himself just fine.  ;) )

Cheers, bros!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: max on August 08, 2008, 08:21:23 PM
I wonder if you put all the members here together if a concensus as to who is not boring is possible. The composer's name probably begins with B and it's not Brahms. He's already been inappropriately eradicated. >:D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Brian on August 08, 2008, 08:29:42 PM
who is not boring...The composer's name probably begins with B and it's not Brahms.
Not Borodin?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: M forever on August 08, 2008, 09:44:20 PM
I wonder if you put all the members here together if a concensus as to who is not boring is possible.

No, it's not. Most of the members here are boring themselves anyway.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: knight66 on August 09, 2008, 08:13:04 AM
Sarge, The St M....My SMP isn't HIP either, and the soloists are artists I admire, even love (Mathis, Baker, Schreier, DF-D, Salminen). As I was listening, though, I thought just the opposite of Sfz's comment: that I might enjoy a HIP performance more (it would probably be over quicker anyway   )

Oh.....you need a different fix on it. The opening chorus lasts about 14 minutes on that version and in every way, despite the soloists, it is dead in the water.

McCreesh would give you a jolt, one to a part, beautifully sung and played, plenty of drama and on two discs. So, a lot shorter than that second Richter performance that you have. Of course, you don't then get Baker in Oh Golgotha..but you can't have it all anyway.

Mike
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 09, 2008, 09:35:56 AM
No, it's not. Most of the members here are boring themselves anyway.

Of course, that sentence can be read in two ways, as I frequently bore myself silly reading some of the threads here. But I suspect the intended meaning was closer to "Most of the members themselves are boring anyway."
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Brian on August 09, 2008, 09:52:36 AM
No, it's not. Most of the members here are boring themselves anyway.
Well, we're glad you hang out with us anyways. And we are thankful for the services you perform on this board:

(http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2161/gmgfishmx0.jpg)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 09, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
Well, we're glad you hang out with us anyways. And we are thankful for the services you perform on this board

Yes - he isn't called M(asochism) forever for nothing.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 10, 2008, 02:50:48 AM
Sarge, The St M....My SMP isn't HIP either, and the soloists are artists I admire, even love (Mathis, Baker, Schreier, DF-D, Salminen). As I was listening, though, I thought just the opposite of Sfz's comment: that I might enjoy a HIP performance more (it would probably be over quicker anyway   )

Oh.....you need a different fix on it. The opening chorus lasts about 14 minutes on that version and in every way, despite the soloists, it is dead in the water.

McCreesh would give you a jolt, one to a part, beautifully sung and played, plenty of drama and on two discs. So, a lot shorter than that second Richter performance that you have. Of course, you don't then get Baker in Oh Golgotha..but you can't have it all anyway.

Mike

Thanks for the recommendation, Mike. I'll give it a try.

Sarge
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: knight66 on August 10, 2008, 03:07:50 AM
Sarge, That opening chorus on the McCreech lasts 6 min 06 sec. as against 11min 26 sec on the Richter. That may give an idea of the contrasting approach. McCreech never sounds underpowered. Seemingly there is some historic evidence for the entire piece being sung by eight singers, though they must have been pretty done in at the end of it.

The singers include Kozena and Padmore.

I hope you enjoy it if you do get hold of it.

Mike
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: knight66 on August 10, 2008, 03:14:02 AM
Definitely, Mike. And you phrased it a lot more subtle than I would have done... 8)
A performance of the MP by the likes of Klemperer is boredom 100% guaranteed...IMO....

McCreesh would not be my personal choice - the intimate, real-life drama of Harnoncourt's 2nd take does it for me. For other suggestions of a good, non-boring, MP: Bach's St. Matthew Passion (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,4877.0.html)

Q

Yes, I have that Harnoncourt and would recommend it. It also has a great line-up of singers and Fink is the alto. I just thought I would suggest the greatest contrast to funerial that I knew of.

Another thing against that Richter is the excrutiatingly flat singing of Matti Salminen in the final aria, Mache dich, mein hertz, rein....but Sarge may have spared himself by not wading that far through it.

Mike
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 10, 2008, 03:24:30 AM
Another thing against that Richter is the excrutiatingly flat singing of Matti Salminen in the final aria, Mache dich, mein hertz, rein....but Sarge may have spared himself by not wading that far through it.
Mike

By that point I'd lost interest and was in the kitchen preparing supper. Lucky me  :D

Sarge
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on August 10, 2008, 04:36:56 AM
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Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on August 10, 2008, 05:48:59 AM
Another thing against that Richter is the excrutiatingly flat singing of Matti Salminen in the final aria,
Mike
The final aria? I can't even get past the 2nd track.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: knight66 on August 10, 2008, 05:51:10 AM
Well, it is not the music, it is the performance. What more can I say?

Mike
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 11, 2008, 10:49:12 AM
Another thing against that Richter is the excrutiatingly flat singing of Matti Salminen in the final aria, Mache dich, mein hertz, rein....

Evidently a few Hertz below pitch, and praying for his intonation to be made pure.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Papageno on September 15, 2008, 08:31:51 AM
Grieg?
For the grass to grow.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Superhorn on September 27, 2008, 05:22:24 AM
    Einstein  on  the  Beach   and  Satyagraha ,  which  I  have  heard  on  CD ,  were  like  watching  grass  grow.  Glass's  Akhenaten  was  slightly  better ;  I  found  it  genuinely  evocatice  of  what  ancient  Egypt  might  have  been  like.
   I  have   a  piece  of  electronic  music  by  Stockhausen  on   Harmonia  Mundi  that is  nothing  but  noise.
   To  me,  Elgar  is  anything  but  boring.  Perhaps  the  performances  you  heard  failed  to  do  justice to  the  music.  His  symphonies  and  other   orchestral  works  are  in  fact   impassioned  and  inspired  music.  Try  Solti's  Elgar   recordings;  how  any  one  could  be  bored  by  these  performances  is  beyond  me.
   Wagner  boring ?   Oh  well,  there's  no  accounting  for  taste.  His  operas  sure  take  their  time   to  unfold,  but  in  a  great  performance  they're  not  a  minute  too  long.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: otterhouse on September 28, 2008, 12:12:40 AM
It's almost fun how hollow this music is:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=1ed0Y12hAik

It's not a bad composer! His symphony in d-minor is a masterpiece, recently performed in the Netherlands by Frans Bruggen and recorded by Antal Dorati.

Rolf
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: M forever on September 28, 2008, 12:24:00 PM
It's simple, light music, but I don't think it's actually that bad. Very typical for a lot of pieces from that era. Not everyone can be Mozart or Beethoven. It may not be "profound", but it doesn't pretend to be either, so while I think the material could have been used a little wittier, it's OK music. But I do think it could be played much better than it is here. This performance lacks rhythmical spring, dynamic shading and more nuanced phrasing which could make the music more fun.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: sound67 on September 30, 2008, 02:58:50 AM
Eugen d'Albert, Tiefland.

A snoozefest.  ::)

Thomas
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Papageno on October 03, 2008, 01:37:31 PM
Schönberg
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Kullervo on October 03, 2008, 01:40:55 PM
Schönberg

I see.

*silently writes Papageno's name in his notebook*
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on October 04, 2008, 03:26:50 PM
Are those two life partners?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: 71 dB on October 04, 2008, 11:46:19 PM
Are those two life partners?

No, as you can see they are death partners.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on October 05, 2008, 06:34:50 PM
No, as you can see they are death partners.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: LVB_opus.125 on October 06, 2008, 09:18:20 AM
Ah, I see.  It's not Muzak®, just piped in pop music that you don't like.  I wouldn't like that either and would probably protest...but without much hope of change. 

No. There is no hope. I sometimes day dream about making my own playlists for the day. Today we'll hear all 32 Beethoven piano Sonatas, followed by Bach's violin concerti, followed by a set of Haydn string quartets! Then on other days I'd play good rock/pop/folk, and keep things interesting.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sid on July 23, 2009, 04:01:50 PM
Most of Saint-Saens (apart from a few really enjoyable pieces, e.g. the 2nd piano concerto or the danse macabre)

Agreed. & add Glazunov as well...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: abidoful on February 26, 2010, 01:21:13 PM
why cant i think anything that is boring :(
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: knight66 on February 28, 2010, 06:02:46 AM
Pachelbel Canon and Gigue.

Mike
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Florestan on February 28, 2010, 08:35:17 AM
Gade & Bruckner

(runs away for his life)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: zamyrabyrd on February 28, 2010, 09:23:52 AM
Practically all of Czerny and Hummel, and a lot of piano music by Weber.
Also Salieri and some of Clementi.

ZB
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: abidoful on February 28, 2010, 10:12:03 AM
Gade & Bruckner

(runs away for his life)
Funny thing about Bruckner; he has written some of the most LONGEST pieces, but i never get bored! I actually was quite astonished few days ago when i heard a piano piece of his and i thought "how nice small piece" and i looked the duration and it was over 5 minutes! Something to do with his sense of time???
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on February 28, 2010, 10:23:19 AM
The problem with boring music is, that I/we never play it. So how can I really know? (I know for sure that the only time I ever fell asleep during a concerto was with a Schumann piano recital in the open air in a garden in Rome - so I guess I find Schumann boring, but I how can I be sure?)  ::)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: abidoful on February 28, 2010, 10:27:35 AM
The problem with boring music is, that I/we never play it. So how can I really know? (I know for sure that the only time I ever fell asleep during a concerto was with a Schumann piano recital in the open air in a garden in Rome - so I guess I find Schumann boring, but I how can I be sure?)  ::)
Now when come to think of it, i was really bored during a seemingly endless performance of the Schumann "Davidsbundlertänze".

So, thanks ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The new erato on February 28, 2010, 01:44:59 PM
I just played the first disc of the Brilliant set of Haydn Barytone trios, and it was insufferably boring. Hope this is because it was early works, very little of the sparks of the piano trios and string quartets were noticeable here.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: greg on February 28, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
Pachelbel Canon and Gigue.

Mike
I agree here. I never understand why the Canon is so popular.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: knight66 on February 28, 2010, 04:17:09 PM
I agree here. I never understand why the Canon is so popular.

The reason is here........

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,15872.msg396308.html#msg396308

Mike
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Lethevich on February 28, 2010, 05:19:58 PM
César Cui would like this thread - finally something he can win at!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Szykneij on February 28, 2010, 06:42:23 PM
I agree here. I never understand why the Canon is so popular.

Anything becomes boring if it's overplayed. Get out your guitar and check out this score:

http://www.8notes.com/members/1327.asp?ftype=pdf (http://www.8notes.com/members/1327.asp?ftype=pdf)


It's really a finely crafted piece and a lot of fun to perform (unless you're stuck with the ground bass part, I guess). I have my high school orchestra perform it every five years so each student gets to experience playing it before they graduate.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: listener on February 28, 2010, 10:21:51 PM
R. Murray Schafer:  Son of Heldenleben
A 20 minute fantasia/auto-encomium on his works (dodecaphonic and atonal) that no one can recognize because they were commissioned works that got their one performances by different orchestras across the country.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on February 28, 2010, 11:32:33 PM
I agree here. I never understand why the Canon is so popular.

As you may know, Rob Paravonian is of the same opinion:

                        http://www.youtube.com/v/JdxkVQy7QLM
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 01, 2010, 12:04:15 AM
Some unexpected comments. I find that music is usually boring when I don't like the performance. But if the performance is good (or to my taste), then I won't think the music boring.

I like Gade, Bruckner, Saint-Saens, Hummel, etc. Hummel is a good example. I used to think him terribly boring. But then I heard one of his piano concertos performed by Stephen Hough on Chandos and I suddently couldn't stop playing the music. So it wasn't the music that was boring, it was the performance/interpretation. Since then, I have discovered other composers in the same way. So if you think someone's music boring, you may just need a different approach.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: abidoful on March 01, 2010, 07:49:07 AM
César Cui would like this thread - finally something he can win at!
ouch!!! :D : D : D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Wanderer on March 01, 2010, 11:16:20 AM
César Cui would like this thread - finally something he can win at!

The best worst music?  :D
Actually, his lieder are quite lovely.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on March 17, 2010, 02:56:36 AM
As you may know, Rob Paravonian is of the same opinion:
Not really, he just hates that as a cello player his part was boring while everyone else got to play lovely melodies.

I've found that some music that once seemed boring grows more appealing once life's taught me to appreciate its virtues.  But not Pachelbel's Canon.  From the time I first got to know it back in the '60s it has always offered a peaceful respite from a world gone mad.  Just like the Beatles's Come Together.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 17, 2010, 03:55:07 AM
But not Pachelbel's Canon.  From the time I first got to know it back in the '60s it has always offered a peaceful respite from a world gone mad. 

I can enjoy this piece in the form of George Rochberg's 6th String Quartet, which contains a variations movement based on the notorious Canon. A refreshing illustration of "making the old new."
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on March 18, 2010, 07:22:41 AM
Not really, he just hates that as a cello player his part was boring while everyone else got to play lovely melodies.

I've found that some music that once seemed boring grows more appealing once life's taught me to appreciate its virtues.  But not Pachelbel's Canon.  From the time I first got to know it back in the '60s it has always offered a peaceful respite from a world gone mad.  Just like the Beatles's Come Together.

Please don't worry. We agree on that (and on more than you would expect, but not on everything  ;) ). Anyhow: I find Rob Paravonian very funny, and that's the only reason I posted this.

BTW, I don't know this Beatles' song at all. (I was too young in those days, grew up with a strict & highly personal diet of classical music, only came to pop music in the early 1980s. That's why. But we would agree on the concept of music as a consolation of the soul, I think.)  :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 18, 2010, 07:44:57 AM
I've found that some music that once seemed boring grows more appealing once life's taught me to appreciate its virtues.  But not Pachelbel's Canon.  From the time I first got to know it back in the '60s it has always offered a peaceful respite from a world gone mad.

I like it so much I bought this:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/PCanon.jpg)

Sarge
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sid on July 18, 2010, 07:05:22 PM
I don't know about boring (exactly), but I find the music of Ferde Grofe to be extremely cliched, predictable and not engaging. It seems to be music written to be immediately accessible to the masses, but appealing to the lowest common denominator imo. He seems to be a textbook orchestrator, too, his arrangement of Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue lacks the soul and joy of the original jazz version...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2010, 07:31:31 PM
his arrangement of Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue lacks the soul and joy of the original jazz version...

I agree with you 100%. However, you should probably know that Grofe arranged the original jazz version too! Classical music was a sort of night job for him, as his primary work was arranging jazz tunes for the Paul Whiteman Orchestra. Grofe also wrote instrumental jazz versions of many George/Ira songs.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Sid on July 18, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
Well, if Grofe arranged the original jazz version, then maybe this makes amends somewhat for his uninspiring "classical" works (like the dreary Grand Canyon Suite and the rather pallid Piano Concerto). Gershwin probably only needed a hand at orchestration briefly while he was learning the ropes. Later works with his own orchestration (like the Piano Concerto in F) show he could do it pretty well or maybe even better on his own...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Beetzart on July 19, 2010, 05:21:49 AM
Most of western vocal music  is boring to death  :-\

All  music of the baroque can be summarized into two or three pieces  (not only Vivaldi's)  :-[


Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Opus106 on July 19, 2010, 05:29:43 AM
All  music of the baroque can be summarized into two or three pieces  (not only Vivaldi's)  :-[

I'm just glad that that's not true. ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on July 19, 2010, 05:35:47 AM
Most of western vocal music  is boring to death  :-\

And I'm glad that's not true, either.  Which reminds me that it's been too long since I last heard Karl Böhm's terrific studio recording of Cosi!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: jhar26 on July 19, 2010, 06:18:18 AM
The annoying footbal tune, "Olé, olé, olé, olé! We are the champions, we are the champions! Olé, olé, olé, olé! We are the champions, we are the champions!"
Everytime I hear it I hope that the opposing team will score a few goals so that the drunks will stop singing that infantile tune.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Franco on July 19, 2010, 06:29:47 AM
I don't remember ever hearing any boring music. 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on July 19, 2010, 06:40:30 AM
I don't remember ever hearing any boring music.

hen you must have missed this: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16826.msg431406.html#msg431406
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Superhorn on July 19, 2010, 06:54:20 AM
   Years ago, before the CD era, I heard a Philips LP of the Vivaldi opera "Tito Manlio" conducted by Vittorio Negri which I took out of my local library.
  It was as long as Die Walkure, 10 LP sides, and an endless series of formulaic Da Capo arias. At the end,I felt like dacapo-tating myself !  It was beyond boring.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Franco on July 19, 2010, 07:03:47 AM
   Years ago, before the CD era, I heard a Philips LP of the Vivaldi opera "Tito Manlio" conducted by Vittorio Negri which I took out of my local library.
  It was as long as Die Walkure, 10 LP sides, and an endless series of formulaic Da Capo arias. At the end,I felt like dacapo-tating myself !  It was beyond boring.

Thanks for bringing this work to my attention, it would be interesting to hear something out of the ordinary from Vivaldi.  After reading some other reviews, it does not sound as bad as you make out and there are a couple of newer recordings that look attractive.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Beetzart on July 19, 2010, 07:12:32 AM
And I'm glad that's not true, either.  Which reminds me that it's been too long since I last heard Karl Böhm's terrific studio recording of Cosi!

Well, I think that western vocal music lacks charm and even (lyricism) in comparison with oriental vocal music !!

BUT western orchestral music is much superior.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidRoss on July 19, 2010, 07:44:14 AM
Well, I think that western vocal music lacks charm and even (lyricism) in comparison with oriental vocal music !!

BUT western orchestral music is much superior.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.  A Westerner by birth, I have been conditioned to and familiar with Western vocal music all of my life.   Although certainly true of some Western music, the charge that it "lacks charm and lyricism" is hardly true of all or even most vocal music of the West.  Noting that you list your home as Jordan, I cannot but wonder if you might not have had adequate exposure to such music to be able to arrive at an informed opinion.  On what do you base your opinion?

I have not heard a lot of Eastern vocal music, certainly not enough to make gross generalizations about its quality (or even qualities), so I cannot comment intelligently on your comparison. 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Gie663 on May 01, 2012, 11:01:56 AM
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I know a lot of pieces with beautiful moments but boring quarters of hours. But the pieces on this cd written by the French composer Vincent D'Indy do lack any of the beautiful moments. I know it can't always be Mozart or Beethoven, but, dear o dear, what uninspired music this is; it drags itself to an end (which never seems to come). Why on earth did I buy this second-hand cd ?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 01, 2012, 11:39:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/9f9uN7EGQB8
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 01, 2012, 11:59:58 AM
I remember being bored to fury at the Concertgebouw by Galina Ustvolskaja's Piano Concerto.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Maybe this qualifies as Schadenfreude, but I am glad to know it, Johan : )
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Szykneij on May 02, 2012, 01:04:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/9f9uN7EGQB8

I usually enjoy rock music but this guy is too stoned.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Cato on May 02, 2012, 02:29:45 AM
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I know a lot of pieces with beautiful moments but boring quarters of hours. But the pieces on this cd written by the French composer Vincent D'Indy do lack any of the beautiful moments. I know it can't always be Mozart or Beethoven, but, dear o dear, what uninspired music this is; it drags itself to an end (which never seems to come). Why on earth did I buy this second-hand cd ?

A suite based on the story of Medea -  :o   one of the most brutal women in literature   :o - turned out to be boring?!

That does take a kind of talent!

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: drogulus on May 02, 2012, 03:02:09 AM

     Since I don't get bored, I imagine it must be something like being anxious.

     If I did get bored Ein Heldenleben would be boring. I find it incomprehensible in a way that doesn't arouse curiosity. That itself is a curious fact.
Title: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
     Since I don't get bored, I imagine it must be something like being anxious.

     If I did get bored Ein Heldenleben would be boring. I find it incomprehensible in a way that doesn't arouse curiosity. That itself is a curious fact.

It's critics like you that have Strauss' Hero in battle!!
:)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: drogulus on May 02, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
It's critics like you that have Strauss' Hero in battle!!
:)

     I give Strauss weirdness points for that. I don't really think I'm the sort of critic Strauss is upset about. I even like Symphonia Domestica, though the part where he takes a dump while reading the sports section is not up to his usual standards.
Title: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 12:33:22 PM
     I give Strauss weirdness points for that. I don't really think I'm the sort of critic Strauss is upset about. I even like Symphonia Domestica, though the part while he takes a dump while reading the sports section is not up to his usual standards.

I do think Domestica is a better piece. And those pizzicato strings during the nose-hair picking melody are grossly accurate.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
Anything by the Strauss family, Bach, or Mozart.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 01:31:35 PM
Anything by the Strauss family, Bach, or Mozart.

Don't make me search the archives for a pro-Strauss post from you, it's got to be in here somewhere.

 :P ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
Anything by the Strauss family, Bach, or Mozart.

Which Bach?

8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 01:49:38 PM
Which Bach?

8)

Steve Bach, not the famous one.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 01:57:24 PM
Don't make me search the archives for a pro-Strauss post from you, it's got to be in here somewhere.

 :P ;D

Lol...godspeed to you on that endeavor. :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
Which Bach?

8)

Take your pick. :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: bigshot on May 02, 2012, 02:55:24 PM
The most boring music I ever heard was Brian Eno's Thursday Afternoon. It's an album best listened to while you're sound asleep.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
Take your pick. :)

I like CPE; let's leave him out. :)

8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 03:52:54 PM
The most boring music I ever heard was Brian Eno's Thursday Afternoon. It's an album best listened to while you're sound asleep.

How would you even know you were listening to it?

I just let other people listen to music I find boring and then they can tell me about later, and that's if their lucky I even listen to them talk.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Philoctetes on May 02, 2012, 03:54:33 PM
The only music that I've not yet come to terms with is Mozart's Symphonies. I'm always looking for new recordings to assist me in this endeavor. I know for a 100 percent fact that the issue is on my end, but I just have not yet found the recording that has clicked. I'm always on the lookout though.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2012, 04:05:19 PM
The only music that I've not yet come to terms with is Mozart's Symphonies. I'm always looking for new recordings to assist me in this endeavor. I know for a 100 percent fact that the issue is on my end, but I just have not yet found the recording that has clicked. I'm always on the lookout though.

That's a pity, Philo. There is a lot of satisfaction there, although even as a hard-core fan I can say that they are not all equal. Rather than a different performance as such, I would try a few specific symphonies instead and avoid some others. #39 in Eb is an example of a work that virtually always transcends any pluses or minuses of performance. Another is #36 in C, the Linz Symphony, and finally, the one in between them, #38 in D, the Prague Symphony. Those 3 in particular are some of the finest examples of Classical Style, and without giving you the burden of "getting it" (I hate that phrase) that, for example, the Jupiter brings along.

I like the Strauss Family's music too.  :)

8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Philoctetes on May 02, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
That's a pity, Philo. There is a lot of satisfaction there, although even as a hard-core fan I can say that they are not all equal. Rather than a different performance as such, I would try a few specific symphonies instead and avoid some others. #39 in Eb is an example of a work that virtually always transcends any pluses or minuses of performance. Another is #36 in C, the Linz Symphony, and finally, the one in between them, #38 in D, the Prague Symphony. Those 3 in particular are some of the finest examples of Classical Style, and without giving you the burden of "getting it" (I hate that phrase) that, for example, the Jupiter brings along.

I like the Strauss Family's music too.  :)

8)

Thanks a lot for that. I agree that 'getting it' is a poor phrase, but I'm just trying to expressing a feeling. I will take a listen to the three symphonies that you listed.

I like the Strauss family as well.  ;D Such cheerful music.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2012, 04:18:08 PM
Thanks a lot for that. I agree that 'getting it' is a poor phrase, but I'm just trying to expressing a feeling. I will take a listen to the three symphonies that you listed.

I like the Strauss family as well.  ;D Such cheerful music.

Oh, no, you didn't say it, it just gets said a lot. Frankly, I don't get it.... :D

8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: DavidW on May 02, 2012, 04:40:13 PM
The only music that I've not yet come to terms with is Mozart's Symphonies. I'm always looking for new recordings to assist me in this endeavor. I know for a 100 percent fact that the issue is on my end, but I just have not yet found the recording that has clicked. I'm always on the lookout though.

As long as you like the operas it's okay. :)

Do you have any problems with his piano concertos?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Philoctetes on May 02, 2012, 04:41:21 PM
As long as you like the operas it's okay. :)

Do you have any problems with his piano concertos?

It's only his symphonies.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: eyeresist on May 02, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
It's only his symphonies.

I think the early ones (up to 29) are much more accessible. After this, his style becomes much drier.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SymphonicAddict on February 05, 2018, 03:57:24 PM
A lot of Baroque music that includes pieces by Lully, Rameau, Charpentier, Zelenka, and Baroque opera in general. Lots of that music tend to sound almost the same to me. It's even worse if those works are performed by using historical instruments  :-X . Also, many (not all) compositions by Messiaen, Carter, Berg, Webern, Schoenberg, Boulez, Rihm, Kagel, a great deal of avant-garde works overall.

Reger is an interesting composer, but I can tolerate certain works. Examples of works I don't like are the clarinet sonatas Op. 49, which are incredibly plain, tasteless, and BORING.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Alberich on February 11, 2018, 03:45:03 AM
Bach, or Mozart.

I see where you're coming from. While there are definitely some works by Bach or Mozart that I enjoy, still, the fact remains that the only composer from the widely considered top 3 composers of all time (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven) whose music I like unconditionally, is Beethoven.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2018, 04:37:33 AM
Boring?

http://www.youtube.com/v/hXBmygI-N3M
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2018, 04:42:05 AM
Boring?

http://www.youtube.com/v/GzTwO0zWrqU
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2018, 05:00:00 AM
Boring?

http://www.youtube.com/v/hxTrcGvzkII
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2018, 05:05:02 AM
Boring?

http://www.youtube.com/v/k3CNS2iK790
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The new erato on February 13, 2018, 05:07:42 AM
Bach boring? I'm seldom speechless, but...

For me: the single discs of van Gilse and Holbrooke I have purchased. I may put this up to purchasing the wrong discs, but have never summoned up the courage to try another one.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2018, 05:17:27 AM
Bach boring? I'm seldom speechless, but...

I have not the least idea of how to listen to this music, and yet find it boring.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (: premont :) on February 13, 2018, 05:21:40 AM
Boring? Well, anything by Wagner,

Karl, feel free to find examples of Wagner, which are not boring. :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: San Antone on February 13, 2018, 05:44:12 AM
Boring? Well, anything by Wagner,

Karl, feel free to find examples of Wagner, which are not boring. :)

"M. Wagner a de beaux moments, mais de mauvais quart d’heures"
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: amw on February 13, 2018, 05:47:48 AM
I’ve generally found it a struggle to sit through an entire opera but I guess some of the orchestral excerpts from the operas would qualify as not boring. There is a decent CD from Norrington and the London Classical Players that removes a lot of the pretentiousness of more typical performances (and Wagner’s own proclamations about his music, which as with most composers are self-serving propaganda), plus period instruments which are always good. I also like the Album-Sonate in A flat, & the Wesendonck Lieder and probably some other stuff.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: amw on February 13, 2018, 05:51:50 AM
That said I think Act II of Tristan und Isolde may be the most boring music I have ever heard. Wagner is clearly trying to sustain tension throughout the entire act, supposedly in imitation of a lengthy sexual encounter or something, and therefore it’s supposed to be excruciating and give us a truly insatiable desire for the resolution, but for me it crossed the line into tiresome and manipulative very quickly. Still had to hear the whole thing because I had to write a paper about it. :’)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Marc on February 13, 2018, 06:08:57 AM
Hm.

Metal Machine Music by Lou Reed?

That was boring, and awful.
(But it might have been intentional.)

I.c. Bach: I think I find 99,9% of his music not boring at all, and I'm still searching for the other 0,1%.
I.c. Wagner: I rarely listen to anything by him, but I most certainly like the intro music of Die Walküre and Parsifal.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on February 13, 2018, 06:23:31 AM
Hyperion released a series, ca 2003, of music by Bach's contemporaries. I bought discs of sacred music by Kuhnau, Schelle and Zelenka. None of them gripped me but Zelenka was easily the dullest. A couple of years ago I turned the radio on part way through a very nice orchestral work; it turned out to be by Zelenka. A couple of days later I heard another delightful concerto (?) by Zelenka.  One of the radio programs suggested that his Officium defunctorum was his masterpiece. This lead me to suspect I may have misjudged him but it was not enough to make me buy any more of his stuff especially as the Hyperion disc contained lengthy sections from the latter work.

Before posting I listened again to some of the Officium and found it every bit as boring as I remembered but not as dull as Biber's Requiem which holds the prize of Most Boring for me.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: vandermolen on February 13, 2018, 06:27:47 AM
I admire the creative genius of Bach but found BBC Radio 3's decision to play nothing but Bach for a week an absolute bore (and told them so).

Otherwise, 'Ein Heidenleben' by Richard Strauss and Gottschalk's 'Night in the Tropics'.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2018, 06:28:36 AM
I admire the creative genius of Bach but found BBC Radio 3's decision to play nothing but Bach for a week an absolute bore (and told them so).

Well, there must be balance.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: vandermolen on February 13, 2018, 06:30:03 AM
Well, there must be balance.
Definitely!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Marc on February 13, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
[...] but not as dull as Biber's Requiem which holds the prize of Most Boring for me.

Which Biber?
Which Requiem?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Daverz on February 13, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
Hyperion released a series, ca 2003, of music by Bach's contemporaries. I bought discs of sacred music by Kuhnau, Schelle and Zelenka. None of them gripped me but Zelenka was easily the dullest.

Zelenka wrote a ton of sacred music, so I imagine some of it is not up to his best.  I have not explored his sacred music very much, but decades ago I was entranced by his Missa dei Filii.  This recording my have been surpassed since then:

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Baron Scarpia on February 13, 2018, 03:32:55 PM
My favorite Zelenka


Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Daverz on February 13, 2018, 03:37:33 PM
Bach boring? I'm seldom speechless, but...

I think because of all those complete this and complete that recordings filling up boxes of 80 minute CDs, people may be forcing Bach on themselves in a way Bach never intended.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on February 13, 2018, 03:45:13 PM
That said I think Act II of Tristan und Isolde may be the most boring music I have ever heard. Wagner is clearly trying to sustain tension throughout the entire act, supposedly in imitation of a lengthy sexual encounter or something, and therefore it’s supposed to be excruciating and give us a truly insatiable desire for the resolution, but for me it crossed the line into tiresome and manipulative very quickly. Still had to hear the whole thing because I had to write a paper about it. :’)

......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ??? ??? ??? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Come on! Act II of T&I is pretty much the most engaging thing Wagner wrote!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: zamyrabyrd on February 13, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
Most of CPE Bach, his Dad was NOT boring, though!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: GioCar on February 14, 2018, 01:48:03 AM
......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ??? ??? ??? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Come on! Act II of T&I is pretty much the most engaging thing Wagner wrote!

+1!!!!!

Together with Act I & III and:
- Act II of Die Walküre (but also Act III & I)
- Act III of Götterdämmerung (but also Act II, the Prologue and Act I)
- The entire Das Rheingold
- Act III of Siegried (but also Act I & II)
- Act III of Die Meistersinger (but also Act II & I)
- Act II of Parsifal (but also Act I & III)
- Act I of Lohengrin (but also Act II & III)
- The entire Der fliegende Holländer
- Act III of Tannhäuser (but also Act I & II) regardless the version.

Rienzi is a bit less engaging (just a bit), Die Feen & Das Liebesverbot are ok.

 :P

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on February 14, 2018, 01:58:57 AM
Zelenka wrote a ton of sacred music, so I imagine some of it is not up to his best.  I have not explored his sacred music very much, but decades ago I was entranced by his Missa dei Filii.  This recording my have been surpassed since then:



I have the disc (and another Zelenka mass) you mention as part of a box set of Bernius from Sony. I was loaned the set and only listened to what interested me, later I was given it as a gift so perhaps I will have to investigate the masses. Thanks also to Baron Scarpia, the recommendation looks promising.

Re. Biber: I suppose I should have checked the album in question, it is actually a Requiem for Biber, a compilation put together by Paul McCreesh for the 300th anniversary of the death of Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber (1644-1704). The album contains Biber's Requiem ex F con terza minore embedded in it. In any case I found the disc grindingly dull and didn't even make it to the end. The album concludes with a short piece by Lassus which I should really check out some time.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Que on February 14, 2018, 02:31:13 AM
I have the disc (and another Zelenka mass) you mention as part of a box set of Bernius from Sony. I was loaned the set and only listened to what interested me, later I was given it as a gift so perhaps I will have to investigate the masses. Thanks also to Baron Scarpia, the recommendation looks promising.

Re. Biber: I suppose I should have checked the album in question, it is actually a Requiem for Biber, a compilation put together by Paul McCreesh for the 300th anniversary of the death of Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber (1644-1704). The album contains Biber's Requiem ex F con terza minore embedded in it. In any case I found the disc grindingly dull and didn't even make it to the end. The album concludes with a short piece by Lassus which I should really check out some time.

As a general rule (there are always exceptions): try to avoid British performances of German(ic) choral music...
Definitely boring.... >:D  I know I'm going to be crucified for this, since people adore their McCreesh, Parrott, King, Christophers, and what have you more, doing "everything" ranging from Lassus, Victoria, Monteverdi, Bach and Vivaldi to music by their grandmother, but there you go...  8)

Zelenka is actually, besides JS and Vivaldi, a very original and exciting Baroque composer!  :)

As to choral performances that do the music justice:
The Collegium Vocale 1704 under Václav Luks did a terrific recording on Zig-Zag Territoires and now an entire Zelenka series on Accent.
Ensemble Inégal under Adam Viktoria (on the Czech label Nibiru)
Musica Florea under Stryncl (Supraphon)
Kammerchor & Barockorchester Stuttgart under Frieder Bernius (a whole series on Carus)

My favourites are Václav Luks and Adam Viktoria and their ensembles, with Luks egging on the "excitement" a bit more, and Adam a bit more sensitive.

Q
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: ritter on February 14, 2018, 02:40:54 AM
+1!!!!!

Together with Act I & III and:
- Act II of Die Walküre (but also Act III & I)
- Act III of Götterdämmerung (but also Act II, the Prologue and Act I)
- The entire Das Rheingold
- Act III of Siegried (but also Act I & II)
- Act III of Die Meistersinger (but also Act II & I)
- Act II of Parsifal (but also Act I & III)
- Act I of Lohengrin (but also Act II & III)
- The entire Der fliegende Holländer
- Act III of Tannhäuser (but also Act I & II) regardless the version.

Rienzi is a bit less engaging (just a bit), Die Feen & Das Liebesverbot are ok.

 :P
That leaves the Kinderkatechismus, which is too short to bore anyone.  :D

I agree with your list, but must admit I'm not that fond of Lohengrin (which, between you and me, I do find has its longueurs... :-[).

TD:

Most of Johannes Brahms's music bores me to tears. It's strange, because looking at it "objectively", his music has many of the components that should make me admire it, and yet, I find it insufferable... ::)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: North Star on February 14, 2018, 03:33:01 AM
Boring? I think not...
https://www.youtube.com/v/sCa568QWzgo
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on February 14, 2018, 03:57:41 AM
I should mention again that the Zelenka disc was a Hyperion release and the artists were Robert King and the Kings Consort - an ensemble I have found to be dull in Purcell, one of my favourite composers. Given the general enthusiasm for Zeleka perhaps I should try him again.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 14, 2018, 03:58:48 AM
I think because of all those complete this and complete that recordings filling up boxes of 80 minute CDs, people may be forcing Bach on themselves in a way Bach never intended.

Something to that.

Although, I do really like having the Cantatas on a thumb drive in the car, available whenever I want to (to borrow from our Jens) dip my ears.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: North Star on February 14, 2018, 04:05:24 AM
I should mention again that the Zelenka disc was a Hyperion release and the artists were Robert King and the Kings Consort - an ensemble I have found to be dull in Purcell, one of my favourite composers. Given the general enthusiasm for Zeleka perhaps I should try him again.
Good idea. :)
Another suggestion, alongside with the choral stuff mentioned earlier.

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on February 14, 2018, 04:19:57 AM
Good idea. :)
Another suggestion, alongside with the choral stuff mentioned earlier.



Thanks for the recommendation. Incidentally, I never suggested the Missa votiva was boring - I have never heard it - only the selection on the Hyperion disc. Also I did say that I was pleasantly surprised by the orchestral/instrumental music I heard on the radio.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 14, 2018, 04:30:02 AM
Thanks for the recommendation. Incidentally, I never suggested the Missa votiva was boring - I have never heard it - only the selection on the Hyperion disc.

May have been the one bad oyster  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Que on February 14, 2018, 04:33:59 AM
Thanks for the recommendation. Incidentally, I never suggested the Missa votiva was boring - I have never heard it - only the selection on the Hyperion disc. Also I did say that I was pleasantly surprised by the orchestral/instrumental music I heard on the radio.

It's too bad that the recording of Missa Votiva by Collegium Vocal 1704 under Luks is OOP, but I'm sure it will be reissued...
Always recommended it as a Zelenka starter.

Q
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: North Star on February 14, 2018, 05:12:11 AM
Thanks for the recommendation. Incidentally, I never suggested the Missa votiva was boring - I have never heard it - only the selection on the Hyperion disc. Also I did say that I was pleasantly surprised by the orchestral/instrumental music I heard on the radio.
Yes, I was just thinking of Zelenka in general. A bad recording can certainly do a lot of damage when it's your introduction to a work/composer.


It's too bad that the recording of Missa Votiva by Collegium Vocal 1704 under Luks is OOP, but I'm sure it will be reissued...
Always recommended it as a Zelenka starter.
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Indeed. Here's hoping they'll reissue the recording of the oratorio I Penitenti al Sepolchro del Redentore too. That one is on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bf0-LT6EZg) too, thankfully.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on February 14, 2018, 05:27:01 AM
Yes, I was just thinking of Zelenka in general. A bad recording can certainly do a lot of damage when it's your introduction to a work/composer.

Indeed. Here's hoping they'll reissue the recording of the oratorio I Penitenti al Sepolchro del Redentore too. That one is on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bf0-LT6EZg) too, thankfully.

There is a Supraphon recording of I Penitenti available from CDmusic.cz -

 https://cdmusic.cz/en/old-czech-music/zelenka-j.d.-i-penitenti-al-sepolcro-del-redentore-oratorio-capella-regia-musicalis-%5Bid%3DSU37852231%5D

I have used this supplier several times and they are excellent for all kinds of Czech music. They have a fair selection (as far as I can tell) of Zelenka.

Meanwhile listening to the Missa Divi Xaverii from Collegium 1704 etc on Spotify.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: North Star on February 14, 2018, 05:49:12 AM
There is a Supraphon recording of I Penitenti available from CDmusic.cz -

 https://cdmusic.cz/en/old-czech-music/zelenka-j.d.-i-penitenti-al-sepolcro-del-redentore-oratorio-capella-regia-musicalis-%5Bid%3DSU37852231%5D

I have used this supplier several times and they are excellent for all kinds of Czech music. They have a fair selection (as far as I can tell) of Zelenka.

Meanwhile listening to the Missa Divi Xaverii from Collegium 1704 etc on Spotify.
Cheers. I think I've seen that before but have been skeptical about the performers, aside from Kozena.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Omicron9 on June 26, 2018, 07:39:49 AM
Seconded.

Seriously, though, I think Dvorak's early symphonies are pretty hard to listen to.

Also his middle symphonies.  And the late symphonies.  His other orchestral works.  His chamber works.  The way he'd order from a menu....
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: André on June 26, 2018, 08:14:39 AM
Whenever I attempt to go through The Art of Fugue I feel like the old lady in Airplane   ::)


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GxqgdU1QI5g (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GxqgdU1QI5g)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on June 26, 2018, 08:41:54 AM
Most of Johannes Brahms's music bores me to tears. It's strange, because looking at it "objectively", his music has many of the components that should make me admire it, and yet, I find it insufferable... ::)
Hah! A fellow cognoscenti! As much as I love Dvořák, I never came to terms with Brahms. Once locked myself a long Christmas weekend with nothing but his four symphonies, but came out with unaltered conviction: a bore.  ???
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on June 26, 2018, 08:43:08 AM
The most boring musical experience I've ever had was a performance of Rossini's Petite messe solennelle, in the stripped-down version with harmonium.

I don't know if this is good music, bad music, or somewhere in between. I do know I was bored stiff by the whole thing.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 20, 2018, 03:42:53 PM
Just I noticed this thread. I've seen some (shocking  ;D ) surprises, mainly about Brahms and R. Strauss. Two of my most beloved composers (above all Brahms). I can't definitely find their music boring. It's true Strauss composed some silly works like Panathenaenzug and a bit-less-silly Parergon zur Sinfonia Domestica, as almost all the composers also did, but other works of his are not so, definitely not. An argument people use is that he was selfish because of his apparently evident self-praise in works like Ein Heldenleben. Totally pointless from my point of view. As for Brahms, the creator of one of the most complete and compelling set of chamber works ever penned... If Brahms had written just those works, he would still be one of my favorites with no hesitation. Anyway, tastes are tastes.

Now, what music do I find boring? Most of works by these composers: d'Indy, Schönberg, Ives, Carter, Silvestrov, Messiaen, Boulez. Almost all of the Baroque music with clear exceptions, vanguardist works whose names are the only original thing, the Phillip Glass symphonies, French operettas (mostly by Offenbach), some symphonies by Miaskovsky, lieder and vocal music, incredibly some piano music by Rachmaninov. For now I remember this. More for coming!  :)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: André on July 20, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
The most boring musical experience I've ever had was a performance of Rossini's Petite messe solennelle, in the stripped-down version with harmonium.

I don't know if this is good music, bad music, or somewhere in between. I do know I was bored stiff by the whole thing.

It can be boring indeed, but it doesn’t have to be that way. Like Berlioz’ L’Enfance du Christ, much depends on the interpreters’ involvement and artistry. Sometimes it all gels beautifully, sometimes it refuses to get off the ground.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 20, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
I love Brahms, probably every note (for context). I cannot even conceive of finding Schoenberg "boring." And . . . practically dismissing all the Baroque?

Ah, well ....
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: The new erato on July 21, 2018, 05:14:20 AM
I love Brahms, lieder and Baroque (at least the good stuff). Things I am indifferent to is much Italian opera and Messiaen mostly bores me, though many composers have their longeurs in singular works. Not Brahms and Bach though.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Florestan on July 21, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
I love Brahms, lieder and Baroque

Me too.

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(at least the good stuff).

When it comes to Baroque --- or even Classical for that matter --- "the good stuff" is an a-posteriori-21-st-Century-notion completely alien to the contemporary (ie, Baroque or Classical) aesthetics. No Baroque or Classical composer --- JS Bach and Haydn and Mozart  included --- ever ccomposed anything for the posterity. |Their only concern was the here and now. It's the much maligned Romanticism --- maligned, that is, by people who emphatically make the case for listening to Baroque or Classical or (some) 20-th century only, to teh exclusion of Romanticism  --- that turned the musical aesthetics upside down and made heroes and geniuses out of mere craftsmen.  :laugh:

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Things I am indifferent to is much Italian opera and Messiaen mostly bores me,

Philistine!  ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mahlerian on July 21, 2018, 08:10:39 AM
When it comes to Baroque --- or even Classical for that matter --- "the good stuff" is an a-posteriori-21-st-Century-notion completely alien to the contemporary (ie, Baroque or Classical) aesthetics. No Baroque or Classical composer --- JS Bach and Haydn and Mozart  included --- ever ccomposed anything for the posterity. |Their only concern was the here and now.

I'm wondering why you think Bach compiled a large-scale work that certainly never got a single performance during his lifetime, then.  The argument for the other two names you mentioned seems stronger, though of course they both admired composers of the recent past, including Bach (father and sons) and Handel, and may have fancifully imagined that at least some of their published works would outlive them.

I would agree that all of them probably thought of their works as designed for specific occasions in a way that later composers have not, but to say that they imagined them all as one-time event pieces to be forgotten the day after their performance would surely be going too far in the other direction (not to imply that you said this).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Florestan on July 21, 2018, 08:16:24 AM
Bach compiled a large-scale work that certainly never got a single performance during his lifetime, then. 

 ???
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mahlerian on July 21, 2018, 08:19:31 AM
???

The B-minor Mass.  There wasn't the slightest chance of its being performed, and while it is mostly comprised of adaptations of other works, it also represents a significant amount of effort on the composer's part.  A bit silly for something that he knew would never be performed in the church or concert hall unless you see it as an artistic/spiritual statement.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on July 21, 2018, 08:27:33 AM
The B-minor Mass.  There wasn't the slightest chance of its being performed,

I would cite also the AoF and WTC as being pieces that he expected to outlive him, due to their pedagogical or "scientific" character (as that term was used in the 18th century).

Also - JSB himself had a good knowledge of older music, going back at least to Palestrina, whose works he even performed a few times. Why wouldn't he expect composers of the future to take an interest in the music of the past, if he was doing precisely that?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: 71 dB on July 21, 2018, 11:12:20 AM
Silvestrov

Calling Silvestrov's music boring makes as little sense as calling sleeping or peace of mind boring.  :P
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on July 21, 2018, 11:46:24 AM
The B-minor Mass.  There wasn't the slightest chance of its being performed, and while it is mostly comprised of adaptations of other works, it also represents a significant amount of effort on the composer's part.  A bit silly for something that he knew would never be performed in the church or concert hall unless you see it as an artistic/spiritual statement.
I would also add the St. Mathew's Passion. I try to like it but can't really sit through more than 10 minutes at a time.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (: premont :) on July 21, 2018, 11:48:37 AM
I would cite also the AoF and WTC as being pieces that he expected to outlive him, due to their pedagogical or "scientific" character (as that term was used in the 18th century).

Also - JSB himself had a good knowledge of older music, going back at least to Palestrina, whose works he even performed a few times. Why wouldn't he expect composers of the future to take an interest in the music of the past, if he was doing precisely that?


+ 1
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mahlerian on July 21, 2018, 11:49:04 AM
I would also add the St. Mathew's Passion. I try to like it but can't really sit through more than 10 minutes at a time.

I wasn't giving my opinion of the Bach Mass in B minor, which I actually love.  I was referring to Florestan's remarks on Bach's supposedly not writing anything meant to survive for posterity.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: (: premont :) on July 21, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
I would also add the St. Mathew's Passion. I try to like it but can't really sit through more than 10 minutes at a time.


This is what I always experienced with Wagner's operas.  :)


Each to his own taste.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Florestan on July 21, 2018, 11:55:27 AM
I was referring to Florestan's remarks on Bach's supposedly not writing anything meant to survive for posterity.

Precisely. Please show me on the contrary ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Mahlerian on July 21, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
Precisely. Please show me on the contrary ;D

I did (and Archaic Torso added his own remarks as well).  You decided you didn't want to look, because you haven't given any other rationale for Bach to compile an unperformable work.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2018, 12:44:00 PM
Many of Bach's organ works (I rely on premont and Jens, at the least, to correct me if I veer astray) originated as improvisations at the console.  If he did not mean for the scores to outlast the moment of inspiration/use, why record them?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on July 21, 2018, 01:03:02 PM
Many of Bach's organ works (I rely on premont and Jens, at the least, to correct me if I veer astray) originated as improvisations at the console.  If he did not mean for the scores to outlast the moment of inspiration/use, why record them?

Also, why go to the trouble of publishing the keyboard partitas not once but twice?
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: BasilValentine on July 21, 2018, 01:09:26 PM
Just about anything by Bruckner or Boulez for me. B-o-o-o-o-o-ring! 
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on July 21, 2018, 02:55:39 PM

This is what I always experienced with Wagner's operas.  :)


Each to his own taste.
There are very few Wagner operas that I listen on long stretches to: Ring, Tristan, Parsifal, that's about it. The others don't strike me as inspired as those three.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: André on July 21, 2018, 05:34:30 PM
Much as I love listening to Lohengrin, the Ring operas and - very occasionally - Tristan, I can’t muster the time nor the inclination to put Parsifal in the cd player. I know, it’s supposed to be so devastatingly beautiful...  ::)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Cato on July 22, 2018, 02:47:28 AM
Anything by the genie musicale du jour touted by the morning "news" shows: e.g. Adele, or Lord, or Adele, or Lord, or Adele...

I am trapped in Charlotte, North Carolina, at a hotel where the Breakfast Room, of course, must have a television set blaring, and yesterday one of the morning "news" shows (ironic quotes intended) was pushing some little teenaged girl, complete with a shot of her looking angrily arrogant and arrogantly angry while she sat on a chair and formed a wide, upside-down V with her legs, as the latest must-hear chanteuse.  After showing us the above photograph, which, if found in the possession of a single guy sweeping floors at McDonald's for a living, would land the poor guy in jail, the network turns the girl loose on a stage, where she imitates a kangaroo hiccuping and gasping syllables of incoherence into a microphone, while assorted Cro-Magnon dudes performed unnatural acts on gee-tars.  The "performance" of course took place in front of a crowd of deaf teenagers apparently paid to cheer and act delirious, and seemed to last like 17 years in a Turkish prison...except it was probably under 3 minutes.  ;)

My annoyance and despair at this tradition of idiocy has become boundless.  I first became aware of it nearly 50 years ago, when a completely flat and very untalented folk "singer" was being pushed on a local talk show in Ohio: the word "genius" was used several times by the host to refer to him.  No, I do not recall his name, because he never made it.  As we know, however, other flat and very untalented "singers" have made it big...to my perpetual annoyance and despair.   0:)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Brian on July 22, 2018, 05:07:42 PM
Bach's St John Passion is the most boring concert I have ever attended. Thought it would never end - then tenor James Gilchrist suffered a migraine in the second half and they abruptly ended the performance. I was thankful but with a strong edge of guilt.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 22, 2018, 05:26:46 PM
I had forgotten some Reger's music. The works I really find dull of his are the both clarinet and violin sonatas. Sorry, but they belong to the boredom realm. The cello sonatas are almost the same, just a little better. Otherwise, the rest of works are worth listening.

All above mentioned is just my opinion.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on August 09, 2018, 11:02:46 PM
Many of Bach's organ works (I rely on premont and Jens, at the least, to correct me if I veer astray) originated as improvisations at the console.  If he did not mean for the scores to outlast the moment of inspiration/use, why record them?
I'm not sure I understand you right... but are you suggesting they bore you and they weren't meant to be much more than works for the moment? In that case, I disagree.

If he meant them only for the moment of inspiration, why put them down on scores in the first place? Paper was enormously expensive then (Most likely Bach's main source of expense, over his lifetime, ahead of instruments and certainly ahead of beer -- and not for lack of Bach's trying to push the consumption of the latter).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 09, 2018, 11:59:39 PM
Ah, no, Jens—but of course in the context of this thread, I see where you were wondering.

The question being discussed turned on whether Bach was just writing/creating music for "now," or if he cared whether the music had a life beyond his own days on earth.

Rest assured that I do not at all find Bach's organ music boring.  In fact, I have yet to find any boring music in the Bach catalogue.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: vandermolen on August 10, 2018, 12:16:44 AM
I once sat through 'The Barber of Seville' (in Leningrad as it then was). Not an experience I'd intend to repeat.
As a rule I don't enjoy opera - so my loss I know.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on August 10, 2018, 01:03:34 AM
Ah, no, Jens—but of course in the context of this thread, I see where you were wondering.

The question being discussed turned on whether Bach was just writing/creating music for "now," or if he cared whether the music had a life beyond his own days on earth.

Oh, I think we know the answer to that. Music was very precious then... not so much as the "eternal art" for which we know it now... but for more practical reasons. And to have collections of works was immensely useful.
We know the story of Bach secretly copying his elder brother's instruction book at night (and getting in trouble for it when he was caught)... and the value he placed on creating volumes of edifying collections for the future... much the same way he had relied on them himself to learn. So yes, definitely beyond his own days... except perhaps not with the same high-falutin' perspective that a romantic generation might attach to it.

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Rest assured that I do not at all find Bach's organ music boring.  In fact, I have yet to find any boring music in the Bach catalogue.

I'm ahead of you, there. His flute sonatas, for starters, are fit to put me to sleep. And, while it's confession time, I don't find the early chamber works (like the sonatas for keyboard and violin) all that hot, either. They are lacking that 'dancing-into-eternity' quality that makes so much Bach so special.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 10, 2018, 02:27:05 AM
I nearly qualified my statement . . . of course, Jens, you know it more thoroughly than I!  But we doubtless agree that he has a substantial catalogue—yea, a prodigious catalogue—of music during which one's attention never flags
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 10, 2018, 02:28:43 AM
I once sat through 'The Barber of Seville' (in Leningrad as it then was). Not an experience I'd intend to repeat.
As a rule I don't enjoy opera - so my loss I know.

I like opera, but am not a true opera enthusiast.  I rather wonder if a full Rossini opera may be more than I should really choose to be in for.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on August 10, 2018, 03:03:59 AM
I like opera, but am not a true opera enthusiast.  I rather wonder if a full Rossini opera may be more than I should really choose to be in for.

If you think a Rossini comedy is long, try a Rossini dramatic opera! Oh, my!

I nearly qualified my statement . . . of course, Jens, you know it more thoroughly than I!  But we doubtless agree that he has a substantial catalogue—yea, a prodigious catalogue—of music during which one's attention never flags

You know for me Bach is second only to God. And since I'm an atheist...  ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 10, 2018, 03:07:49 AM
If you think a Rossini comedy is long, try a Rossini dramatic opera! Oh, my!

About every five years, I wonder if I should give Guillaume Tell a shot (so to speak) . . . and then, oh! bright light!
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Cato on August 10, 2018, 03:32:07 AM
About every five years, I wonder if I should give Guillaume Tell a shot (so to speak) . . . and then, oh! bright light!

I recall that an uncut performance is about 5 hours or so!   8)

A performance by the Wichita Opera on YouTube has the claim that it is the "full opera," but the time is c. two and a half hours.  Various comments say that "half the opera" is missing!   ::)

Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on August 10, 2018, 05:49:34 AM
I've had the dubious pleasure of sitting through more or less uncut versions of Otelo & Tancredi.

(http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/04/tancredi-sounds-good.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/04/tancredi-sounds-good.html))

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If the Washington Opera’s L’Elisir d’Amore is an opera with bad but funny drama, Rossini’s Tancredi is an opera with bad and dour drama. The former – if well done – can be funny in the way a Marx Brothers film is, but there is nothing that can redeem the hackneyed story line and happy-(up)ended tragedy that makes the story of Tancredi tank so hard. In fact, it’s not worth even summarizing the ‘plot’ here – a plot only marginally better than the one from Esclarmonde. One imagines the composer at work, casually remarking over his shoulder “Oh, I ran out of story 30 minutes ago, but I have so much music left!”...
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: ritter on August 10, 2018, 05:56:47 AM
I've had the dubious pleasure of sitting through more or less uncut versions of Otelo & Tancredi.

(http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/04/tancredi-sounds-good.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/04/tancredi-sounds-good.html))
Oh, but then Tancredi also has “Di tanti palpiti”, which makes the whole opera worthwhile  ;)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on August 10, 2018, 07:37:53 AM
Oh, but then Tancredi also has “Di tanti palpiti”, which makes the whole opera worthwhile  ;)

I don't think one aria can redeem a whole opera no matter how brilliant.

The very first opera I heard live (at the tender age of 18) was Madame Butterfly - Un bel di vedremo was very moving, the rest bored me to tears. Over the years I heard the work a few times and found it very moving though with longueurs. The last time I heard it the director in his wisdom (sic) decided to restore all Puccini's cuts - not just the ones he made after the disastrous first performance but all the ones he made even before the first performance. The whole thing was interminable, nothing could redeem it.

I am not a fan of Rossini at all but I would have thought that 'The Barber' was a reasonable choice for a very first opera, obviously not. I haven't heard it live but I have heard 'Le Comte Ory' twice enjoyed it both times.  I have heard broadcasts and recordings of other Rossini opera, but no serious ones, and generally they held my attention but not enough to make me want to sit through them again.

I did survive a live performance of Strauss' Arabella - never again; I would rather have my toenails pulled out with red-hot pliers.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on August 10, 2018, 07:58:39 AM

I did survive a live performance of Strauss' Arabella - never again; I would rather have my toenails pulled out with red-hot pliers.

Not understanding the text-as-you-go with Strauss (in the opera house) is a bit like watching an Ibsen play in Croatian.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Alberich on August 10, 2018, 08:28:44 AM
I did survive a live performance of Strauss' Arabella - never again; I would rather have my toenails pulled out with red-hot pliers.

That's kind of like my first time seeing Rosenkavalier in opera - it was so boring that I walked out during the intermission and was so pissed off because of it that I went to a bar to drink beer for the rest of the night. After I listened to Rosenkavalier several times on Spotify, I liked it a lot more (although still not among my favorite Strauss operas).
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Biffo on August 10, 2018, 08:42:23 AM
That's kind of like my first time seeing Rosenkavalier in opera - it was so boring that I walked out during the intermission and was so pissed off because of it that I went to a bar to drink beer for the rest of the night. After I listened to Rosenkavalier several times on Spotify, I liked it a lot more (although still not among my favorite Strauss operas).

I managed to stick it out to the end of Rosenkavalier but can't imagine ever doing it again. I have various highlights in recital discs and orchestral  suites, that is enough for me.
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: listener on August 10, 2018, 10:28:00 PM
Peter Maxwell Davies' TAVERNER
much of it in Latin hooted by counter-tenors, I think, recalling from 1972
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: vandermolen on August 11, 2018, 04:08:54 AM
About every five years, I wonder if I should give Guillaume Tell a shot (so to speak) . . . and then, oh! bright light!

Well, the Overture was performed as an encore at the Haydn/Bernstein/Mahler concert I attended at the Proms last night. I enjoyed it.
  ;D
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 12, 2018, 04:00:57 AM
We all enjoy the Overture!  It has the virtue of brevity  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: Christo on August 12, 2018, 08:08:14 AM
We all enjoy the Overture!  It has the virtue of brevity  8)
The rest rather characterized by brevity of virtue.  8)
Title: Re: The most boring music you've heard
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 12, 2018, 09:36:33 AM
Gioacchino "Sometimes I just riff" Rossini