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I too have seen a double standard in many cases with this, which is sad but hopefully it is something that society will move away from
     Science is not vulnerable to the charge you make. You can't social engineer it into a form of official falsehood. Stalin tried, churches (other churches?) try, science can be suppressed for a while but it comes back to bother you some more.

     Christendom as you call it suffers from being "unoccupied". If you are a beliefy sort it will disappoint you that beliefs really don't justify themselves.

     Science is in the business of finding justification by evidence. It has worked better than justification by belief. What is called faith is a perversion of belief, which should follow from discovery and not warp it in advance. Faith is the ultimate campaign against nature.

     As for social engineering, societies are all about that, there's none with no engineering in them. So the old gods do less, more is done in our own name, and the results are all over the place. Religious engineering was a bloody mess, too, and still is.

I was careful to the use the word "scientism", which is a false, often irrational application of science.  To be brief, as this is somewhat off topic, religion is accused to being irrational when its applications tend to be more commonsense than what has been elevated to political correctness and cannot be questioned under pain of shunning, censorship, financial penalities, banishment from academia and the workplace.
The Diner / Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Last post by Le Moderniste on Today at 11:14:59 PM »
I don't even listen to that kind of music (country-pop-rock), despite my generally quite wide music pallet but I can't stop listening to "Wild West" by Lissie, such a great song. The juxtaposition with the really, really dark and shocking episode it came from probably created a unique association with it but it's true, I can't stop listening to it  ???


I never really caught into it when the episode aired but "Shadow" by the Chromatics also instills quite a strong emotion, a song that flips me out in a way. It's so beautiful and sort of simple but it's really intense somehow  ???

Of course "The World Spins" (the full song) by Julee Cruise is expectedly both heart-breaking and nostalgic.
Narcissism, Voyeurism
General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening to now?
« Last post by Spineur on Today at 10:57:58 PM »
Arias from the italian rennaissance and baroque collected by Alessandro Parisotti, an early musicologist, professor at St Cécile Academy in Rome in the 19th century.  He described them as arias antiche, which has today a slightly pejorative tone.  Here, Natalie Stutzmann restores them to their earlier glory.  A beautiful and reommended CD

General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening to now?
« Last post by Que on Today at 10:45:42 PM »
Morning listening - conclusion:

Mandatory Sweelinck IMO, great performances.


Composer Discussion / Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Last post by Christo on Today at 10:28:31 PM »
I rate the Sinfonia antartica higher than many, too.
The point is not, that we don't admire the Antartica deeply - but that the 'absolute' symphonies are even finer.
Great Recordings and Reviews / Re: New Releases
« Last post by Mandryka on Today at 10:12:06 PM »
There are a few of his Frescobaldi interpretations on Youtube, two toccatas and a canzona among them. There is no reason to deny his dexterity, and the canzona is most charming, but his toccatas lack direction and integrity IMO.
I sense there's a lot to explore and enjoy here and I expect my appreciation will grow as I listen more.

In the booklet Moulin says that 

Les toccate montrent une nouvelle manière d’écrire pour le clavier. Improvisations couchées sur le papier, elles se réclament d’une seconda prattica. Comme Caccini ou Monteverdi pour la voix, a n d’émouvoir, l’on joue con afetti cantabili et l’on use des passi ou passagi, grands effets de doubles croches. Le tactus s’assouplit pour mieux exprimer les sentiments, « comme pour dépeindre les mots d’un madrigal sous-jacent » nous dit Frescobaldi. Musique dramatique qui révèle un improvisateur génial.

This is very much how I hear Frescobaldi, so it was a pleasure to read, but I'm not totally sure that Moulin has translated this idea of improvisations into music. He may have done, I don't mean to cast an aspersion, I need more time with the performances. Toccata 10 Bk 2 sounds a bit linear - without the dramatic contrasts which you might expect from word painting the text of a madrigal. It's all somehow a bit too polite, more polite than I'd normally associate with the idea of "Musique dramatique qui révèle un improvisateur génial."  More French than Latin possibly.

Is that  « comme pour dépeindre les mots d’un madrigal sous-jacent » a quote from one of Fresocbaldi's prefaces?

The harpsichord sounds lovely, it's is an original creation by a factor called Philippe Humeau, which he says  was

Motivé par le claveciniste François Guerrier qui me donna des mots que je devais transformer en sons, je lui construisis cet instrument.

I shall check out this François Guerrier, he's recorded some Forqueray. I imagine a poet-Keyboard player, what were these words he gave? Like Rimbaud's poem Voyelles maybe  ;)

He uses a virginal, also rather nice sounding, for some of the pieces.

Despite all of this, there's a lot of things to enjoy and explore in the recording, I don't want to sound as though I'm knocking it.
The Diner / Re: Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!
« Last post by Le Moderniste on Today at 09:59:08 PM »
God this album means a fuck of a lot to me  :'(

Sandy Denny And The Strawbs - All Our Own Work

The Diner / Re: Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!
« Last post by Le Moderniste on Today at 09:48:02 PM »

Regarded by most as either their best album, or one of their best, and rightly so. Even by Tim Smith's standards this is extraordinary.

Yep, AMAZING album. Sparkey certainly likes the whole world window a lot!  :D
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