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Title: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I cannot help myself, but thinking how fast the days glide by, hours become seconds, years like months.
When I was much younger, it seemed to me that the days were longer, and that there was enough time to do all what one wanted.
But nowadays, at the end of the day I am complaining that there are to little hours in a day, and that we are sleeping our time away.
Is it me, or do other people have the same problem.
Its bothering me, and irritating it is also.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on June 05, 2007, 09:44:57 AM
Life is one huge Groundhog Day Harry,

For the last 14 years I have known what my day will be without exception, get up, get ready, go to work, do the same thing, turn on the PC, write the scripts for our printers, send out letters (some demanding payment)...Sunday to Friday.

Come home, check the mat for cds or books, eat, put the kettle on, off to the listening room, music, read late at night, do it all again...

Already, I know what my duties will be for tomorrow....and the day, week, month & years after...whilst the little clock on the Mortgage ticks down...only 16.5 years to go....

Time is of course always the same, just feels different...the 10 hours at work pass really slowly in comparison to having the HiFi on for 10 hours  :-X

I always remember being a kid and thinking 'wow the year 2000, I will be 31 when that happens....that's a lifetime away'....been and gone....and now this July, 38 years loom.

I must keep telling myself 'try not to wish ones life away', the first thing I say on a Monday morning is "I wish it was Friday", then I look upon that statement and thing "Oh Lord, that means Friday?, Friday is very close to another Monday"...there I go again wishing ones life away

Oh, well....on with the music Mendelssohn's Hymn of Praise with Abbado and the ever youthful Londoners  ;D
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 09:54:30 AM
You speak to me words of truth, Sir. I recognize my self in this fine but depressing statement! :P
I found Groundhog day a depressing movie, and felt real oppressed.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: greg on June 05, 2007, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I cannot help myself, but thinking how fast the days glide by, hours become seconds, years like months.
When I was much younger, it seemed to me that the days were longer, and that there was enough time to do all what one wanted.
But nowadays, at the end of the day I am complaining that there are to little hours in a day, and that we are sleeping our time away.
Is it me, or do other people have the same problem.
Its bothering me, and irritating it is also.
yeah, we all are sleeping our lives away.....
one of my greatest impossible wishes is that i wouldn't ever have to sleep unless i wanted to for fun. Why? I could spend so many hours learning stuff, and even though I have time now to do anything, when I'm grown up it's scary- will i even have enough time to everything i want? nah, probably not unless i don't work a zillion hours a week
Title: Re: Time
Post by: head-case on June 05, 2007, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: greg on June 05, 2007, 10:03:53 AM
yeah, we all are sleeping our lives away.....
one of my greatest impossible wishes is that i wouldn't ever have to sleep unless i wanted to for fun. Why? I could spend so many hours learning stuff, and even though I have time now to do anything, when I'm grown up it's scary- will i even have enough time to everything i want? nah, probably not unless i don't work a zillion hours a week

Don't worry about not having time to do everything you want.  Worry about running out of things you want to do.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: head-case on June 05, 2007, 10:09:43 AM
Don't worry about not having time to do everything you want.  Worry about running out of things you want to do.


O, there is no chance on earth that that will ever happen, just have to look at the enormous piles of cd's & books, and garden..........
There is always a will and a need to do, what has to be done, trouble is, your sleeping away precious hours, at least 8 of them or more!
Title: Re: Time
Post by: greg on June 05, 2007, 10:29:16 AM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 10:22:06 AM
O, there is no chance on earth that that will ever happen, just have to look at the enormous piles of cd's & books, and garden..........
There is always a will and a need to do, what has to be done, trouble is, your sleeping away precious hours, at least 8 of them or more!
yep, 8 hours a day!  :(
you could always train yourself to sleepwalk..... though it might be hard
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: greg on June 05, 2007, 10:29:16 AM
yep, 8 hours a day!  :(
you could always train yourself to sleepwalk..... though it might be hard

Believe me my friend if I could do without sleep, I would, sure thing. ;)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: mahlertitan on June 05, 2007, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I cannot help myself, but thinking how fast the days glide by, hours become seconds, years like months.
When I was much younger, it seemed to me that the days were longer, and that there was enough time to do all what one wanted.
But nowadays, at the end of the day I am complaining that there are to little hours in a day, and that we are sleeping our time away.
Is it me, or do other people have the same problem.
Its bothering me, and irritating it is also.

well, that's because you are doing thing repetitively. There is nothing new and exciting in your life to stimulate you, so naturally, time becomes really fast.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: head-case on June 05, 2007, 12:20:35 PM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 10:22:06 AM
O, there is no chance on earth that that will ever happen, just have to look at the enormous piles of cd's & books, and garden..........
There is always a will and a need to do, what has to be done, trouble is, your sleeping away precious hours, at least 8 of them or more!

It would be a mistake to assume that because you do not understand the purpose of sleep it has no purpose.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: head-case on June 05, 2007, 12:20:35 PM
It would be a mistake to assume that because you do not understand the purpose of sleep it has no purpose.

O, but I do understand perfectly well my friend why men has to sleep, but I doubted that not.
It bothers me that we need that, that's all.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Solitary Wanderer on June 05, 2007, 12:23:54 PM
Yes, the days seem to get shorter as you age. The 30s just flew by for me unlike the 20s where so many different things seemed to be going on and I can pinpoint where I was and what I was doing with ease. The 30s however is a bit of a blur :(

Now the 40s! :o
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 12:25:22 PM
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on June 05, 2007, 12:23:54 PM
Yes, the days seem to get shorter as you age. The 30s just flew by for me unlike the 20s where so many different things seemed to be going on and I can pinpoint where I was and what I was doing with ease. The 30s however is a bit of a blur :(

Now the 40s! :o

Wait until you come to the 50s, slaughterhouse I tell you! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Solitary Wanderer on June 05, 2007, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 12:25:22 PM
Wait until you come to the 50s, slaughterhouse I tell you! ;D ;D

Harry, I hear 50 is the new 40!  ;)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 05, 2007, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on June 05, 2007, 09:44:57 AM
Life is one huge Groundhog Day Harry,

For the last 14 years I have known what my day will be without exception, get up, get ready, go to work, do the same thing, turn on the PC, write the scripts for our printers, send out letters (some demanding payment)...Sunday to Friday.

Come home, check the mat for cds or books, eat, put the kettle on, off to the listening room, music, read late at night, do it all again...

Already, I know what my duties will be for tomorrow....and the day, week, month & years after...whilst the little clock on the Mortgage ticks down...only 16.5 years to go....

Time is of course always the same, just feels different...the 10 hours at work pass really slowly in comparison to having the HiFi on for 10 hours  :-X

I always remember being a kid and thinking 'wow the year 2000, I will be 31 when that happens....that's a lifetime away'....been and gone....and now this July, 38 years loom.

I must keep telling myself 'try not to wish ones life away', the first thing I say on a Monday morning is "I wish it was Friday", then I look upon that statement and thing "Oh Lord, that means Friday?, Friday is very close to another Monday"...there I go again wishing ones life away

Oh, well....on with the music Mendelssohn's Hymn of Praise with Abbado and the ever youthful Londoners  ;D

Jesus, Tony! You've made me feel depressed! ;D

Seriously, though, I don't feel the same way as you guys. I tend to live a lot in my imagination, and pay very little heed to the monotonous and repetitive things in life. I actually look forward to being old, to retiring, to sharing my life experiences with others. Even death holds no fear, as my belief in the continuation and constant evolution of all life - and I'm not just talking about evolution as commonly understood, but rather, metaphysically understood - tells me that whatever each incarnation brings, it'll be a new experience that helps me to slowly awaken and broaden in consciousness.

Time is an illusion, just like death. And if you think that's a fantasy (and maybe it is; who can say for certain?), then it's a beautiful one ... and I'll take that over all the dross that some in this world would prefer us to focus on.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 12:53:55 PM
O, young Mark, you only say that because your are, well, young!
Wait a little and in a few years you will feel as we do!
Bet on it.
When I was your age I said the same things, honestly. ;D
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Robert on June 05, 2007, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I cannot help myself, but thinking how fast the days glide by, hours become seconds, years like months.
When I was much younger, it seemed to me that the days were longer, and that there was enough time to do all what one wanted.
But nowadays, at the end of the day I am complaining that there are to little hours in a day, and that we are sleeping our time away.
Is it me, or do other people have the same problem.
Its bothering me, and irritating it is also.
Harry,
SEIZE THE DAY.......
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 05, 2007, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 12:53:55 PM
O, young Mark, you only say that because your are, well, young!
Wait a little and in a few years you will feel as we do!
Bet on it.
When I was your age I said the same things, honestly. ;D

We'll see ... ;)


Or maybe I should say, 'Time will tell'. ;D
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 01:12:35 PM
Quote from: Robert on June 05, 2007, 01:01:47 PM
Harry,
SEIZE THE DAY.......

Of course I try to do just that Robert!
Good day to you my friend. :)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: Mark on June 05, 2007, 01:10:24 PM

Or maybe I should say, 'Time will tell'. ;D

Well said! ;D
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Robert on June 05, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Harry on June 05, 2007, 01:12:35 PM
Of course I try to do just that Robert!
Good day to you my friend. :)
Harry my friend,
Of course you also realize that all this worrying you are doing is not going to make one bit of difference. When you come to terms with that you will save yourself alot of grief...Life just goes on.....with or without us. We just have to enjoy what we have........
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: Robert on June 05, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
Harry my friend,
Of course you also realize that all this worrying you are doing is not going to make one bit of difference. When you come to terms with that you will save yourself alot of grief...Life just goes on.....with or without us. We just have to enjoy what we have........

Of course you are right, of course you are!
Title: Re: Time
Post by: orbital on June 05, 2007, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Mark on June 05, 2007, 12:42:26 PM

Time is an illusion, just like death.
Indeed! I mean time... death is no illusion; it is the only fact we can count on actually  >:D And we should be thankful that there is that one and only thing that we know WILL happen.  It brings perspective to our lives. Impermanence for me is the key

Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 05, 2007, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: orbital on June 05, 2007, 01:45:06 PM
Indeed! I mean time... death is no illusion; it is the only fact we can count on actually  >:D And we should be thankful that there is that one and only thing that we know WILL happen.  It brings perspective to our lives. Impermanence for me is the key



Well, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on the subject of death. ;)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: orbital on June 05, 2007, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: Mark on June 05, 2007, 01:46:47 PM
Well, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on the subject of death. ;)
The most honest agreement two people can come to.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 05, 2007, 02:14:23 PM
Well to me it seems that people do the same thing everyday with a few differences from day to day. So what affects their mood? Is it external to them or is it all within them? Could it be that if your in a good mood good things happen because of that?

Why would God make such a philosophical man who can question their worth in an infinite universe? It's a big recipe for that ugly D word.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 05, 2007, 02:19:16 PM
I think its silly to come to terms with death. How do you know how you will react when a deadly situation comes up? You can't say your afraid of death unless you have been close to it.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 05, 2007, 02:24:34 PM
There's the fear of how you will die, and fear of the fact that you will die. Almost everyone has the first kind of fear. Many also have the second kind ... though I don't, and that's what I meant.

As to what affects us each day, this from a poem by Ella Wheeler Wilcox: 'Tis not the gale but the set of our sail that determines the way we go.' I find this sums up nicely for me how I should think in any challenging situation.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Solitary Wanderer on June 05, 2007, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: Mark on June 05, 2007, 02:24:34 PM'Tis not the gale but the set of our sail that determines the way we go.'

Nice :)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: mahlertitan on June 05, 2007, 05:36:39 PM
if you are doing the same thing everyday, time is going to go really fast.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: yashin on June 05, 2007, 07:47:14 PM
You cannot escape the pull of time-it is like being sucked along a long wind tunnel-you struggle but in the end resistance is futile.  Life can be like being on a treadmill -you can't get off.  I am reminded of that great TV series "the fall and rise of reggie perrin" a superb comedy about a man who does the same things everyday-walks the same street to work, sits next to the same people every day on the train and says the same thing to his wife every day and night.

I try not to think too much about time passing (slow or fast) but it is impossible to escape.  There are negative people and negative thoughts at every turn.

Ever bounced out of bed on a monday morning eager to get to work only to have someone starring into their coffee and telling you how they wished it was friday or they wished they could go home and sleep...There is nothing worse to make your blood pressure shoot back up.

Ever been happy to get your pay check only to have someone tell you it is 4 weeks till the next one... Or even worse if you get paid early in December and then get told it is 6 weeks till you get paid.....Or that they have money now but a day later when they have paid the mortgage, bills, and loans they will be back in debt...................Yikes these people are everywhere.

I am told by colleagues that they are in bed by 9.30pm every night and how they need 8-10hrs sleep a night.  I am supprised at how many tell me this and they range from 20's to 40+ ages.  Why do they need to sleep so much?  One colleague also tells me that they sleep till 2-3pm on a saturday afternoon....what the hell have they been doing?  No wonder time passes.....(by the way, i wake earlier, travel further and get home later than these people)

Sometimes i am frustrated by my parents -they are 60 yrs old but have stopped doing anything nice.  Everything is too far, too cold, too expensive, takes too much time, means they have to wake early or go to bed late.  Suggest an meal on their birthday and it is all "yes, wonderful" but then the day comes and it is "we decided just to have some breakfast at home......town will be busy today..." .  It is like they are waiting to die or something.

I think you have to think more positively.  We spend so much time wishing life away, dreading people, meetings, the length of your day, the fact that you have to shop after work, having to come home and cook, do the laundry.

Do something different.  Rather than moan about using the metro everyday, take a book, listen to your ipod.  Rather than moan about a short lunch break-have it outside, take 10 mins to read a book, put the radio on for a few minutes.

I am in  position now where a colleagues husband has just been diagnosed with throat cancer, the outlook is bleak and his time left short....Has made me think about my own mortality again...what i haven't done, what i have done....what i always wanted to do etc.......This surge of feelings happens to us all now and again.....if only we could hold onto it when times are dull and remember that "time" is something we DO HAVE..unlike so many others who wished they had more......Just a thought (did not mean to rant and hijack the thread)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on June 05, 2007, 07:51:58 PM
Keeping time time time
In a sort of Runic rhyme
To the tintinabulation that so musically wells
From the bells, bells, bells, bells, bells, bells, bells

Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 05, 2007, 07:59:23 PM
QuoteSometimes i am frustrated by my parents -they are 60 yrs old but have stopped doing anything nice.  Everything is too far, too cold, too expensive, takes too much time, means they have to wake early or go to bed late.

Lol try growing up with mine. My dad hates to do everything  If we should take a trip anywhere the most important thing is getting there quickly. Need to pee? TOO BAD! no potty for you! Hold it in its only another 45 minutes! Theres no reason to do anything....

My mother likes to go out and see things but she gets frustrated over nothing. Waiting a stop light for too long and she will light up a cig. Money is always her thing, if anything cost a dollar its not worth doing.

Imagine growing up with those 2! Wild childhood memories of... ummm.... yeah :)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: yashin on June 05, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Yes, parents that is another issue.

I moved to Asia and they are in the UK.  I call them every sunday ....i get asked straight away by dad "whats the weather like", mum asks first "how are you, how is work, is it hot" 3 questions in a row, the same every week......Mum still cannot grasp the fact that i am 7hrs ahead and will still call me at 3am here and say she forgot or did not realise.  She still expects me to remember when mothers day is in the UK even though i am in Asia -like i would know!!!

Not as bad as my Grandma who is 90 -i call her and she always asks "are you home, you sound like you are just around the corner" ....bless her.

And we wonder why time goes slow.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Bonehelm on June 05, 2007, 08:33:52 PM
You know what's the best way to lengthen a day? Listen to an entire Mahler symphony cycle, I swear you'll notice the sun never goes down.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Bogey on June 05, 2007, 08:51:47 PM
Harry,
We have a friend that has inoperable cancer at this time.  He has two children about the same age as ours (4 and 8 ) and he is about the same age as myself.  Because of his illness and his closeness to our family, our perspective on many things, including "time" (and I will address only this component) has changed in many ways.  Though one of us could die tomorrow due to an accident or heart attck, etc, I have found that I am "more" greatful for each minute that I am here and these minutes have seemed to slow some since I savor them more than I used to.  Do not get me wrong, I never have been passé about the time I had left, this incident just changed how time seems to pass for us.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 05, 2007, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: yashin on June 05, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Yes, parents that is another issue.

I moved to Asia and they are in the UK.  I call them every sunday ....i get asked straight away by dad "whats the weather like", mum asks first "how are you, how is work, is it hot" 3 questions in a row, the same every week......Mum still cannot grasp the fact that i am 7hrs ahead and will still call me at 3am here and say she forgot or did not realise.  She still expects me to remember when mothers day is in the UK even though i am in Asia -like i would know!!!

Not as bad as my Grandma who is 90 -i call her and she always asks "are you home, you sound like you are just around the corner" ....bless her.

And we wonder why time goes slow.



Gives you a reason to stay out Saturday until 3 am :)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Robert on June 05, 2007, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 05, 2007, 08:51:47 PM
Harry,
We have a friend that has inoperable cancer at this time.  He has two children about the same age as ours (4 and 8 ) and he is about the same age as myself.  Because of his illness and his closeness to our family, our perspective on many things, including "time" (and I will address only this component) has changed in many ways.  Though one of us could die tomorrow due to an accident or heart attck, etc, I have found that I am "more" greatful for each minute that I am here and these minutes have seemed to slow some since I savor them more than I used to.  Do not get me wrong, I never have been passé about the time I had left, this incident just changed how time seems to pass for us.
Bill
Its events like this that makes us aware of how precarious and precious life is....
Title: Re: Time
Post by: yashin on June 05, 2007, 09:50:39 PM
In the end we all moan about time (either slow or fast). But when the sand-timer has been started on us we all want to use our time to the full. 

Maybe we should take down the clocks we watch constantly to see when it is time to go home, remove our watches to stop us thinking about which train we can catch to get home and not look at our daily agenda. We should go to bed when we feel like it, eat when hungry (not at 6pm on the dot because we always do!) and not worry about listening to some music because it is 9pm and it lasts for 2 hours so it will be too late to finish it.

I am on holiday now, at home.  Supposed to be resting and relaxing.  All i am doing is watching the clock, wondering when to have lunch, what to have, when to swim, whether or not to go to the mall.  Our lives are run by time.  No wonder we get depressed by it.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 05, 2007, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: yashin on June 05, 2007, 09:50:39 PM
In the end we all moan about time (either slow or fast). But when the sand-timer has been started on us we all want to use our time to the full. 

Maybe we should take down the clocks we watch constantly to see when it is time to go home, remove our watches to stop us thinking about which train we can catch to get home and not look at our daily agenda. We should go to bed when we feel like it, eat when hungry (not at 6pm on the dot because we always do!) and not worry about listening to some music because it is 9pm and it lasts for 2 hours so it will be too late to finish it.

I am on holiday now, at home.  Supposed to be resting and relaxing.  All i am doing is watching the clock, wondering when to have lunch, what to have, when to swim, whether or not to go to the mall.  Our lives are run by time.  No wonder we get depressed by it.


What you need is a crazy adventure. How about it? A bottle of scotch, a couple hundred dollars, and a monkey ninja in banana pajamas and you might have a blast! Just be careful, you might wake up with 2 headaches.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 05, 2007, 08:51:47 PM
Harry,
We have a friend that has inoperable cancer at this time.  He has two children about the same age as ours (4 and 8 ) and he is about the same age as myself.  Because of his illness and his closeness to our family, our perspective on many things, including "time" (and I will address only this component) has changed in many ways.  Though one of us could die tomorrow due to an accident or heart attck, etc, I have found that I am "more" greatful for each minute that I am here and these minutes have seemed to slow some since I savor them more than I used to.  Do not get me wrong, I never have been passé about the time I had left, this incident just changed how time seems to pass for us.

Yes that puts my time issue in perspective again.
Thanks Bill!
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Valentino on June 05, 2007, 11:43:05 PM
This morning my two boys (2 1/2 and almost 5) grabbed a maracas each for a microphone and started singing a popular childrens pirate song. A precious moment, like frosen in time.

This is Tom Waits:
QuoteWell the smart moneys on harlow and the moon is in the street
And the shadow boys are breaking all the laws
And you're east of east Saint Louis and the wind is making speeches
And the rain sounds like a round of applause
And Napoleon is weeping in a carnival saloon
His invisible fiancee's in the mirror
And the band is going home, its raining hammers, its raining nails
And its true theres nothing left for him down here

And its time time time, and its time time time
And its time time time that you love
And its time time time

And they all pretend they're orphans and their memory's like a train
You can see it getting smaller as it pulls away
And the things you can't remember tell the things you can't forget
That history puts a saint in every dream

Well she said she'd stick around until the bandages came off
But these mamas boys just don't know when to quit
And Mathilda asks the sailors are those dreams or are those prayers?
So close your eyes, son, and this won't hurt a bit

Oh its time time time, and its time time time
And its time time time that you love
And its time time time

Well things are pretty lousy for a calendar girl
The boys just dive right off the cars and splash into the street
And when theyre on a roll she pulls a razor from her boot
And a thousand pigeons fall around her feet
So put a candle in the window and a kiss upon his lips
As the dish outside the window fills with rain
Just like a stranger with the weeds in your heart
And pay the fiddler off til I come back again

Oh its time time time, and its time time time
And its time time time that you love
And its time time time
And its time time time, and its time time time
And its time time time that you love
And its time time time
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Papageno on June 05, 2007, 11:46:33 PM
Yes, over the past few years I feel time diminishing and that before I know it I'll be at the end of my life thinking how I didn't leave anything.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 05, 2007, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Papageno on June 05, 2007, 11:46:33 PM
Yes, over the past few years I feel time diminishing and that before I know it I'll be at the end of my life thinking how I didn't leave anything.

True!
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 06, 2007, 01:48:37 AM
I suppose much depends upon how you look at life. Most people seem to take either the view that when you go, you're gone and that's the end of it all, or the view that you die and go to some kind of heaven ... or the other place. Whereas my study of esoteric and metaphysical ideas has me thinking differently. Life is an endless continuum: it never stops, it simply evolves through long aeons. Everything that is created in the whole Cosmos is steadily progressing from the most basic forms into ones much higher. For humans, this means an evolution towards an expanded consciousness which will free us from the apparent mediocrity of what we mistakenly think of as 'life', and enable us to participate consciously in the very act and fabric of creation itself.

Given these views, I generally tend to be hugely optimistic about our, as yet, dim and distant future. It cheers me to think that life is indeed everlasting; perhaps not in the forms which we relate to in this incarnation, but what of it? Would anyone here still seriously want to be the person they were aged six, or aged 18, or aged ... whenever? Most would be horrified to have to go back and repeat all the foolishness of years past, and even the prospect of reliving the good times wouldn't be sufficiently conducive to get them to return if such were ever possible. By the same token, why would anyone wish to return to a previous incarnation, again if such were possible?

The journey and the experiences life brings - though that journey may take thousands of years - is all that really matters. I'd rather think of it this way and try to act accordingly than sit around wallowing in self pity and watching the clock.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 06, 2007, 02:09:53 AM
Just like in Final Fantasy 7! Just hope that an energy company doesn't find a way to mine that "fabric of creation" to live more comfortable lives or else they will use their influence to stop anyone who thinks it will destroy the planet.  ;D  haha


What happens when you die? Its a singularity, and there is no way to look into it so why even think about it?
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 06, 2007, 02:14:52 AM
Quote from: Mozart on June 06, 2007, 02:09:53 AM
What happens when you die? Its a singularity

Esoteric literature contains a good deal of information on man's postmortem state ... but that's not for this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 06, 2007, 02:21:17 AM
Quote from: Mark on June 06, 2007, 02:14:52 AM
Esoteric literature contains a good deal of information on man's postmortem state ... but that's not for this thread. ;)

If my farts could be translated so would they!  :D If it can't be proven how can it be information? And the only way to prove it is to die and then come back and tell us what happens. Or in prince of persia, just rewind the sands of time!

* 2 video game references in 1 night.. Booyah
Title: Re: Time
Post by: BachQ on June 06, 2007, 04:36:27 AM
......... I wish I had more time for this thread ......... but ..........  >:D
Title: Re: Time
Post by: head-case on June 06, 2007, 07:08:36 AM
Do you remember any of your previous incarnations?  Assuming you are not writing from a psychiatric hospital, the answer is clearly "no."  Since you are thus completely disconnected from any of your previous and presumably future incarnations, in what sense can this continuity be said to exist?

And, unfortunately, your continuous evolution towards higher forms violates the second law of thermodynamics, it can't happen.

I think the most interesting thing about your remarks is that you describe yourself as studying "esoteric and metaphysical ideas."  You seem to be most concerned with the extent to which such ideas that are pleasant to you, without regard to whether there is any reason to believe these ideas have a basis in reality.

Quote from: Mark on June 06, 2007, 01:48:37 AM
I suppose much depends upon how you look at life. Most people seem to take either the view that when you go, you're gone and that's the end of it all, or the view that you die and go to some kind of heaven ... or the other place. Whereas my study of esoteric and metaphysical ideas has me thinking differently. Life is an endless continuum: it never stops, it simply evolves through long aeons. Everything that is created in the whole Cosmos is steadily progressing from the most basic forms into ones much higher. For humans, this means an evolution towards an expanded consciousness which will free us from the apparent mediocrity of what we mistakenly think of as 'life', and enable us to participate consciously in the very act and fabric of creation itself.

Given these views, I generally tend to be hugely optimistic about our, as yet, dim and distant future. It cheers me to think that life is indeed everlasting; perhaps not in the forms which we relate to in this incarnation, but what of it? Would anyone here still seriously want to be the person they were aged six, or aged 18, or aged ... whenever? Most would be horrified to have to go back and repeat all the foolishness of years past, and even the prospect of reliving the good times wouldn't be sufficiently conducive to get them to return if such were ever possible. By the same token, why would anyone wish to return to a previous incarnation, again if such were possible?

The journey and the experiences life brings - though that journey may take thousands of years - is all that really matters. I'd rather think of it this way and try to act accordingly than sit around wallowing in self pity and watching the clock.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mark on June 06, 2007, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: head-case on June 06, 2007, 07:08:36 AM
Do you remember any of your previous incarnations?  Assuming you are not writing from a psychiatric hospital, the answer is clearly "no."  Since you are thus completely disconnected from any of your previous and presumably future incarnations, in what sense can this continuity be said to exist?

And, unfortunately, your continuous evolution towards higher forms violates the second law of thermodynamics, it can't happen.

I think the most interesting thing about your remarks is that you describe yourself as studying "esoteric and metaphysical ideas."  You seem to be most concerned with the extent to which such ideas that are pleasant to you, without regard to whether there is any reason to believe these ideas have a basis in reality.


For the record, I treat everything esoteric or metaphysical as purely hypothetical. I don't claim to be able to verify any of the information I've read, and that's why it remains a belief for me at this stage. I guess we'll all find out sooner or later if there's any truth in it. ;)
Title: Re: Time
Post by: head-case on June 06, 2007, 03:43:19 PM
Quote from: Mark on June 06, 2007, 03:31:53 PM
For the record, I treat everything esoteric or metaphysical as purely hypothetical. I don't claim to be able to verify any of the information I've read, and that's why it remains a belief for me at this stage. I guess we'll all find out sooner or later if there's any truth in it. ;)

Well, maybe not.  If the "you die and that's the end of it" people are right, you never really get to appreciate that fact properly, do you.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Harry on June 06, 2007, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: head-case on June 06, 2007, 03:43:19 PM
Well, maybe not.  If the "you die and that's the end of it" people are right, you never really get to appreciate that fact properly, do you.


Well neither you know for sure or Mark or anyone, so proving it is a endless discussion with no solution other than your personal opinion, which everyone is free on this thread to give.
Title: Re: Time
Post by: Mozart on June 07, 2007, 12:04:12 AM
Quote from: Harry on June 06, 2007, 11:51:20 PM
Well neither you know for sure or Mark or anyone, so proving it is a endless discussion with no solution other than your personal opinion, which everyone is free on this thread to give.

I need to learn to think this way, but I think you said the same thing as me.  ;)