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Title: gushing about opus 109 finale
Post by: lisa needs braces on November 29, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVqp7j3I9Y#t=5m44s

I love this movement sooooooooooo much.

Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: mc ukrneal on November 30, 2016, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: -abe- on November 29, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVqp7j3I9Y#t=5m44s

I love this movement sooooooooooo much.


I assume you've heard/seen the Barenboim masterclass with Jonathan Biss from about 10 years ago? it's one of the best masterclasses I've ever seen in part because of the contents and part because Biss is so good himself. if you haven't, find it asap. You will like it.
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lisa needs braces on December 01, 2016, 02:04:32 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on November 30, 2016, 11:11:24 AM
I assume you've heard/seen the Barenboim masterclass with Jonathan Biss from about 10 years ago? it's one of the best masterclasses I've ever seen in part because of the contents and part because Biss is so good himself. if you haven't, find it asap. You will like it.

No, but I will most certainly check it out! I am absolutely obsessed with the opuses 109, 110, and 111 and I dig approachable (as I am not versed in music theory!) lectures on the late works. I saw snippits of Andras Schiff's lecture on the opus 111, and I was struck by the hilarious part where he strenuously objects to a certain famous section of the 2nd movement being referred to as the "boogie woogie"!  :D

Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Jo498 on December 01, 2016, 02:42:15 AM
I lost the files in a crash some time ago but I liked what I heard Schiff's lectures actually better than most of the two discs I bought from his series because I had found the letters so interesting. Don't remember what he said about op.109, though.
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: North Star on December 01, 2016, 02:49:18 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on December 01, 2016, 02:42:15 AM
I lost the files in a crash some time ago but I liked what I heard Schiff's lectures actually better than most of the two discs I bought from his series because I had found the letters so interesting. Don't remember what he said about op.109, though.
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.
They're all on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FTV9SYMGOXU
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 01, 2016, 04:37:04 AM
Quote from: -abe- on December 01, 2016, 02:04:32 AM
No, but I will most certainly check it out! I am absolutely obsessed with the opuses 109, 110, and 111 and I dig approachable (as I am not versed in music theory!) lectures on the late works. I saw snippits of Andras Schiff's lecture on the opus 111, and I was struck by the hilarious part where he strenuously objects to a certain famous section of the 2nd movement being referred to as the "boogie woogie"!  :D


Oh, well you need to hear it then. He specifically discusses that movement. Found the start of it. #7, posted here, shows the performance. #8 and 9 (and 10?) show the discussion of it, changes, etc...
https://www.youtube.com/v/GeJoyCn6cGc

Here is #8:
https://www.youtube.com/v/OHgfuf-Nn-Q
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Maciek on December 01, 2016, 06:58:21 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on December 01, 2016, 02:42:15 AM
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.

You can download them here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/classical/page/0,,1943867,00.html
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Holden on December 02, 2016, 01:10:07 PM
I don't know which recordings you have of the last three PS but stand outs for me are Pollini in all three, Hess for 30 and 31 and Richter's Leipzig performance of Op 110.
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cato on December 05, 2016, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: -abe- on November 29, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVqp7j3I9Y#t=5m44s

I love this movement sooooooooooo much.

WILHELM BACKHAUS!!!  YES!!!
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lisa needs braces on September 23, 2017, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on December 01, 2016, 02:42:15 AM
I lost the files in a crash some time ago but I liked what I heard Schiff's lectures actually better than most of the two discs I bought from his series because I had found the letters so interesting. Don't remember what he said about op.109, though.
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.

Schiff has declared the opus 109 finale as being his favorite LvB piano sonata movement since childhood.
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: zamyrabyrd on September 25, 2017, 06:34:02 AM
Quote from: North Star on December 01, 2016, 02:49:18 AM
They're all on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FTV9SYMGOXU

Thanks so much, extremely interesting, fills in some gaps of what I knew about this sonata.
For every pianist, though, there is probably a different approach to the first movement, even extending to where to place the accents on the first theme. Schiff makes the notes on the beat almost upbeats to the upper ones but Richter for instance does the opposite. I like the way Schiff brings out inner voices and doesn' t always feature or bring out the top voices.
Title: Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: zamyrabyrd on September 26, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
It is interesting to compare Richter in 1972 to 20 years later. I find them both masterful in their own right:

https://www.youtube.com/v/e5kTffxNROM

https://www.youtube.com/v/989aVWlAbpM