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Title: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Superhorn on January 26, 2009, 12:44:23 PM
   I've heard recordings of hundreds of different operas over the years from Monteverdi to contemporary ,on LP and CD. And that doesn't count the operas I've heard multiple recordings of.
But there are so many I want to get to know on CD. Here's a random list.
Chabrier "L'Etoile. Wagner: Die Feen.Das Liebesverbot. Richard Strauss: Feuersnot. Lalo: Le Roi D'Ys. Moniuszko: Halka.The Haunted Castle.
Rossini: Mose in Egitto. Le Comte Ory.Matilde di Chabran. Verdi: Oberto.
Kutavicius: Lokys(The Bear). Hans Krasa:Verlobung Im Traum(Part of Decca Degenerate Music series). Zemlinsky: Der Zwerg. Eugene D'Albert: Die Toten Augen. Busoni:Die Brautwahl. Hindemith:Die Harmonie Der Welt.
Siegfried Wagner (son of Richard) Der Barenhauter, and several others.
Rimsky-Kprsakov : The Golden Cockerel.

  I could go on.  Do other people here have other operas they'd like to get to know on CD?  I'd like to hear.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Anne on January 26, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
There are several operas by Schubert.  I understand he had trouble with the librettos.  I was thinking I might listen for his melodies.  Several of them have videos or DVD's.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Sarastro on January 26, 2009, 09:13:42 PM
Quote from: Superhorn on January 26, 2009, 12:44:23 PM
Mose in Egitto
Le Comte Ory
The Golden Cockerel

How come those are lesser-known operas? I've heard at least three recordings of each. Besides, Mose in Egitto is the reconstructed Italian version of the french version Moïse et Pharaon, which I heard two recordings of... Schubert's opera Alfonso and Estrella made me understand why Schubert is not recognized as a good opera composer. :D
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Tsaraslondon on January 27, 2009, 01:42:52 AM
Surprisingly, there are still a few Verdi operas I haven't heard

Oberto
I lombard
i (and it's French version Jerusalem)
I due Foscari
Alzira
Aroldo
(the revised version of Stiffelio)

All the others I already have on CD.

Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Superhorn on January 27, 2009, 07:02:08 AM
  Sarastro, you may have several recordings of those operas, but they're still not performed very often by opera companies.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON
Post by: Subotnick on January 27, 2009, 07:05:45 AM
I'd like to get to know Schubert's operas too Anne. I have heard so much of his other work, but not one of these. I'll go looking later, but I'm sure recommendations will trickle or flood in.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Superhorn on January 29, 2009, 07:48:52 AM
   Schubert's "Fierrabras",which is set in the middle ages and deals with the conflict between the Moors and crusaders, has a very appealing score,but the plot is impossibly convoluted and makes that of Il Trovatore look like child's play.
  I don't know if the live DG performance from Vienna with Abbado and the Chamber orchestra of Europe with a distinguished cast is still available, but it's worth looking for.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Sarastro on January 29, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Superhorn on January 27, 2009, 07:02:08 AM
  Sarastro, you may have several recordings of those operas, but they're still not performed very often by opera companies.

Maybe, they are not very often performed around the place you live at, but those three operas are not as rare in Europe as you think. Moïse et Pharaon is being staged in Salzburg this year, and some time ago I listened to a broadcast of Mose in Egitto, heard of a production of it on the Wildbad Festival last year, Australian production...and I'm not really into opera news. If you make a little research, you would probably find that those operas are quite frequently staged. Of course, one cannot compare them to the popularity of La Traviata, for instance, but stil...they are performed, unlike some operas that have never been performed - just recorded in studio, or even never been recorded at all.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: abidoful on May 14, 2010, 10:30:04 AM
Schubert operas, Faure's operas, Duka's opera, Pfitzner...
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON
Post by: False_Dmitry on May 14, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: Subotnick on January 27, 2009, 07:05:45 AM
I'd like to get to know Schubert's operas too Anne.

Actually you wouldn't ;)

It's a bit like going to a restaurant and ordering roast swan.  The idea sounds novel and possibly appealing.  But...

Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON
Post by: abidoful on May 14, 2010, 12:08:52 PM
Quote from: False_Dmitry on May 14, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
Actually you wouldn't ;)

It's a bit like going to a restaurant and ordering roast swan.  The idea sounds novel and possibly appealing.  But...

That doesn't seem conceiveble to me- how could an opera by Schubert be something that is totally without any merits?
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Bulldog on May 14, 2010, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: Superhorn on January 29, 2009, 07:48:52 AM
   Schubert's "Fierrabras",which is set in the middle ages and deals with the conflict between the Moors and crusaders, has a very appealing score,but the plot is impossibly convoluted and makes that of Il Trovatore look like child's play.
  I don't know if the live DG performance from Vienna with Abbado and the Chamber orchestra of Europe with a distinguished cast is still available, but it's worth looking for.

Although it's no longer in print, one can get it as an ArkivCD.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: mc ukrneal on May 14, 2010, 05:55:15 PM
For those interested, Schubert's Freunde von Salamanka is available on Brilliant.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: abidoful on May 15, 2010, 01:44:48 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 14, 2010, 12:26:54 PM
Although it's no longer in print, one can get it as an ArkivCD.
Quote from: ukrneal on May 14, 2010, 05:55:15 PM
For those interested, Schubert's Freunde von Salamanka is available on Brilliant.

I come across with quite a few Schubert stage/theater works by browsing Amazon.com/Amazon.uk.com.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: listener on May 15, 2010, 09:46:16 AM
I'd get these on CD or DVD if they had been recorded:
Holst: The Perfect Fool
Moszkowski: Boabdil, King of the Moors
(Spohr's Alruna, Queen of the Owls if it were really inexpensive, just to have the title.  One of the numbers is available as a clarinet&piano duo)
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Guido on May 16, 2010, 10:42:39 AM
Osud, Die Schweigsame Frau and three by Schreker are all next for me.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Superhorn on May 16, 2010, 11:24:54 AM
  In the meantime I've gotten a chance to hear recordings of several of the operas on my wish list:  Feuersnot,L'Etotoile, The Golden Cockerel,Die Harmonie Der Welt,
and Matilde Di Chabran. 
  I liked all very much.  Matilde features Juan Diego Florez and Annick Massis,conducted by Riccardo Frizza(who recently led the Met premiere of Armida) on Decca,live from the Pesaro festival in Rossini's home town on Decca. 
  Florez plays a rabid mysoginist who is charmed into marriage by the lovely Matilde.
   The long-forgotten score is prime Rossini and by all means get this!
  Feuersnot has Bernd Weikl and Julia Varady,with Heinz Fricke conducting on an obscure label I can't recall offhand.  This is the second Strauss opera and great fun;it should be better known.
   Die Harmonie der Welt(The harmony of the world) is an interesting opera about the life of the great astronomer Johannes Kepler.L'Etoile is also delightful and was recently done by the New York City Opera. The Golden Cockerel is on a Capriccio CD with an all Bulgarian cast,conductor and orchestra. I recommend all of these recordings.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: False_Dmitry on May 16, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: listener on May 15, 2010, 09:46:16 AM(Spohr's Alruna, Queen of the Owls if it were really inexpensive, just to have the title.  One of the numbers is available as a clarinet&piano duo)

It is indeed an extraordinary title!  I like Spohr's music (he was completely overlooked last year among the Big Boy anniversaries) but I've never heard this at all, and had no idea it existed.

QuoteOsud

As mentioned on another thread, I rate this short (single-cd) opera very highly.   It has some stupendous music in it.  The opening is audacious...  a spa-town waltz that emerges quickly out of a whirling chaos of strings.  I'm sure Handel would have approved - it's an opera in which someone really does push the soprano out of the window! ;)  The sudden leaps in chronology in the plot would make it ideal material for a "filmed for dvd" production - Doubek has to age about 14 years between the end of the first act, and the end of the opera.  It's one of the few operas I can think of in which the cast are rehearsing a different opera on-stage during the action :)   The Gerd Albrecht recording is very good, but has some hideous singing from "Mila's mother", which might be intended to sound "drunken and deranged" as the character is - but actually just sounds awful :(  There's a Mackerras recording with WNO, but sung in English in the "Peter Moores" series.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Guido on May 16, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: False_Dmitry on May 16, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
It is indeed an extraordinary title!  I like Spohr's music (he was completely overlooked last year among the Big Boy anniversaries) but I've never heard this at all, and had no idea it existed.

As mentioned on another thread, I rate this short (single-cd) opera very highly.   It has some stupendous music in it.  The opening is audacious...  a spa-town waltz that emerges quickly out of a whirling chaos of strings.  I'm sure Handel would have approved - it's an opera in which someone really does push the soprano out of the window! ;)  The sudden leaps in chronology in the plot would make it ideal material for a "filmed for dvd" production - Doubek has to age about 14 years between the end of the first act, and the end of the opera.  It's one of the few operas I can think of in which the cast are rehearsing a different opera on-stage during the action :)   The Gerd Albrecht recording is very good, but has some hideous singing from "Mila's mother", which might be intended to sound "drunken and deranged" as the character is - but actually just sounds awful :(  There's a Mackerras recording with WNO, but sung in English in the "Peter Moores" series.

I was planning to get the Mackerras recording - is the other one preferential? Didn't realise it was in English.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: False_Dmitry on May 16, 2010, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 16, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
I was planning to get the Mackerras recording - is the other one preferential? Didn't realise it was in English.

There's also a third complete recording now available, the Brno Janacek Opera under Frantiszek Jilek (who is highly rated as a Janacek interpreter) - but I haven't yet heard it.  Yes, the Mackerras recording is in English - if you pop into the Amazon site, you can hear some clips to see if you'd find this either attractive or repellent ;)

PS just found there is a longer clip of the Mackerras OSUD (opening section) on YouTube if you'd like to audition it before purchase?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A54LvgpJcQE   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A54LvgpJcQE)
Philip Langridge, Helen Field, Kathryn Harries, Stuart Kale, and the amazing WNO chorus - what's not to like? ;)
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: listener on May 16, 2010, 08:26:39 PM
Quote from: False_Dmitry on May 16, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
It is indeed an extraordinary title!  I like Spohr's music (he was completely overlooked last year among the Big Boy anniversaries) but I've never heard this at all, and had no idea it existed.

I will eventually find the recording, must be on LP of the Variations on a theme from Alruna WoO.15, probably a Klöcker recital.
FYI the list of Spohr operas is:
Alruna, die Eulenkönigen  c.1808   WoO.49    Overture separately catalogued as op.21
Der Zweikampf mit der Geliebten c.1810   Singspiel
Faust  c.1813, rev.1852   overture =op. 60
Zemire und Azor c.1819-20
Jessonda   c.1823   CD on the Orfeo label
Der Berggeist c.1824  overture = op. 73
Pietro  von Albano  c.1827
Der Alchymist   c.1828-30
Die Kreuzfahrer  c.1843-4

and a 1-act operetta  Die Prüfung  c.1806  overure =op. 15a
and Incidental Music to Macbeth  WoO55, overture = op.75
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: Superhorn on May 18, 2010, 06:27:57 AM
   Chandos has recently issued the first commercial recording of Sir Arthur Sullivan's only full-fledged grand opera, Ivanhoe, based on the famous novel.
   Gilbert did not write the libretto to this, and I can't recall offhand who did.
  I would very much like to hear this.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: False_Dmitry on May 18, 2010, 07:35:39 AM
Quote from: Superhorn on May 18, 2010, 06:27:57 AM
   Chandos has recently issued the first commercial recording of Sir Arthur Sullivan's only full-fledged grand opera, Ivanhoe, based on the famous novel.
   Gilbert did not write the libretto to this, and I can't recall offhand who did.
  I would very much like to hear this.

The libretto of IVANHOE was written by Julian Sturgis - a new librettist for Sullivan at the time.  The piece was staged with more-than-usual splendour to mark the opening of d'Oyly Carte's new theatre.  THE TIMES reported on the opening night:

QuoteTwo questions will inevitably be asked, and will receive, no doubt, different answers from different authorities; will Ivanhoe enhance the composer's reputation and that of English art, and will the work take a place among the classics of dramatic music, and attain a real immortality? To the first an unqualified affirmative may surely be given, for even if it be held to lack the poetic charm and distinction of The Golden Legend, its best portions rise so far above anything else that Sir Arthur Sullivan has given to the world, and have such force and dignity, that it is not difficult to forget the drawbacks which may be found in the want of interest of much of the choral writing, and the brevity of the concerted solo parts. On the second question an opinion can only be formed with difficulty and offered with diffidence. The general structure of the work is a curious example of transition between two opposing systems, each of which in its own day has produced masterpieces of undoubted supremacy. The finest scenes, as, for instance, that in which the great duet occurs, suggest by their continuous and sustained treatment that the composer has adopted the modern methods, and that each scene, if not each act, is regarded as a complete entity; the interest given to his recitatives, and the unmistakable influence of Berlioz and, in lesser degree, Wagner, upon the orchestration and treatment of the themes encourage this view. On the other hand, in many of the scenes, we meet a series of numbers, which only require slightly more conventional development to rank with the set pieces of old-fashioned opera, and this impression is confirmed by the perpetual full closes, most of which are preceded by a pause on an effective note for the voice, and, of course, followed by a break in the continuity of the action. It is curious, too, that no two of the scenes are joined together by music; in one case there is no connexion, even of key, between two adjacent sections of the same act. If, as at present seems most probable, the modern theories of dramatic music should obtain universal acceptance, Ivanhoe will have a struggle for permanent existence, and will stand on the merits of its second act, the, portion which unites grace and strength with continuity of design; of course, if a strong reaction should set in against these theories, the work, as a whole, will be generally considered as a masterpiece of design, as well as a collection of individual beauties.

Sullivan's rehearsal pianist (the conductor was Francois Cellier, and not Sullivan himself) for IVANHOE was a young chap called Henry Wood  ;)
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: The new erato on May 18, 2010, 08:05:34 AM
On a related note, Naxos has just released this:

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/8660293-94.jpg)

on the Lorelei legend.
Title: Re: What Are Some Lesser-Known Operas You'd Like to Get to Know ON CD?
Post by: kishnevi on May 18, 2010, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: erato on May 18, 2010, 08:05:34 AM
On a related note, Naxos has just released this:

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/8660293-94.jpg)

on the Lorelei legend.

(http://www.maritimematters.com/images/lurline32.jpg)
Launched 1932 Scrapped (as the Ellinis of Chandris Lines) 1987

merely the best known of a group of ships of various sorts that bore the name.
http://www.maritimematters.com/lurline32.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Lurline_(1932)