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Title: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on May 26, 2009, 06:42:38 AM
As Colin pointed out some while back there is no thread for this composer - so here goes. In many ways Kabalevsky is seen as a rather flawed and controversial character but some sources indicate that he was condemned with Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Miaskovsky, Shebalin and Popov in 1948 - other sources suggest a rather different and less palatable scenario.

I first came across him when I bought one of those old Melodiya LPs which came in a bare white cardboard sleeve, with no information - it contained Symphony No 4 - a work that I have always felt undervalued. I then discovered his Symphony No 2 on the other side of my Unicorn LP of Miaskovsky's 21st Symphony (David Measham). The work which changed my whole attitude to Kabalevsky's music was his Cello Concerto No 2 in a performance with Daniel Shafram, conducted by Kabalevsky himself (LP - now on CD). This was a much deeper work than anything else I had heard by Kabalevsky (apart from sections of the 4th symphony). So, if you want just one work by Kabalevsky in your collection I'd heartily recommend Cello Concerto No 2 (there are several CDs) - a work of great eloquence, which made me see Kabalevsky in a different light.

All four symphonies have recently been issued on CD (see below). The turbulent opening movement of Symphony No 1 is very impressive and like Shebalin's first Symphony owes a lot to Miaskovsky (the teacher of them both). Symphony No 3 'Requiem for Lenin' I have, so far, found heavy going (like Kabalevsky's secular Requiem itself) but symphonies 1, 2 and 4 all are worth hearing.


Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: springrite on May 26, 2009, 06:46:26 AM
The cello concerto is generally considered his best work or, at least, his most popular work anyway. But recently I have been quite taken by his piano sonatas. I have not heard any of his symphonies, however.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Bulldog on May 26, 2009, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: springrite on May 26, 2009, 06:46:26 AM
The cello concerto is generally considered his best work or, at least, his most popular work anyway. But recently I have been quite taken by his piano sonatas. I have not heard any of his symphonies, however.

I'm a big fan of his Cello Concerto No. 2 that displays an emotional depth that's rare for Kabalevsky.  Of the few "modern" recordings available, I find the Naxos most compelling because of the strong tension provided by the conductor Igor Golovchin.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: DFO on May 26, 2009, 08:06:38 AM
Try to find his 2 SQ by the all women Glazunov SQ on an Olympia OOP. The first op.8 is a rather derivative piece, but the second op.44
is a mature and complex work, and a splendid one IMHO.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Guido on May 26, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
I adore the first cello concerto which is as tuneful and lyrical as anything we cellists get - and that second movement is just gorgeous. The second concerto is much darker and to me feels a tad overlong, but it is a high quality work, serious minded, and quite lovely in sections. I always just think of Shostakovich's Second concerto of the same year when I'm listening though, and realise that that piece is just in a different league.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on May 26, 2009, 03:50:38 PM
Kabalevsky is an odd case! His music is certainly difficult to dislike. Tuneful, generally jolly and upbeat, often sweetly lyrical, the music sits so easily with the demands of Soviet culture. It seems so hard to imagine that it could have fallen foul of the Zhdanov decree of 1948. He certainly wasn't the odious individual that Khrennikov appears to have been but there does seem to have been some doubt about his artistic integrity. Nor does his music fall into the sort of vulgar excess of which Khachaturian is capable on occasion :)

I agree about both of the cello concertos and I have a soft spot for the violin concerto as well. The symphonies-particularly Nos. 2 and 4 are under-rated. There just isn't much depth or profoundity in Kabalevsky-which is why I compared him unfavourably with Shebalin-but perhaps that is unfair, maybe Kabalevsky wasn't aiming at profoundity but instead wanted simply to provide music that was entertaining, particularly for young people(as in the piano concertos). Comparing Kabalevsky or indeed any contemporary Soviet composer with a towering genius like Shostakovich will always be to their disadvantage....so we should not do so!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Bulldog on May 26, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 26, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
I adore the first cello concerto which is as tuneful and lyrical as anything we cellists get - and that second movement is just gorgeous.

Agreed, although I do find the 3rd movement rather flashy with minimal substance. 
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Joe_Campbell on May 26, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
Until this point, I was only familiar with Kabalevsky as one of the filler late romantic composers in the RCM repertoire books. As you can imagine, the short character[-free] pieces selected from his (apparently) large output did not inspire me to look further into his music. I'm interested in recommendations of recordings, particularly for his piano music. I'll definitely look into the cello concerto, though.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on May 27, 2009, 12:23:18 AM
Thanks for very thoughtful replies. I do think that Cello Concerto No 2 is actually a work of great depth - on a different level to anything else I have heard by Kabalevsky but the posts above have encouraged me to look out for the string quartets and other chamber music. I agree with Colin that Shebalin's music generally possesses greater depth but look out for Cello Concerto No 2 and yes, there is a good recording and performance on Naxos. I find the last part of the Concerto very moving - especially in the Shafran/Kabalevsky version.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: springrite on May 27, 2009, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: Joe_Campbell on May 26, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
Until this point, I was only familiar with Kabalevsky as one of the filler late romantic composers in the RCM repertoire books. As you can imagine, the short character[-free] pieces selected from his (apparently) large output did not inspire me to look further into his music. I'm interested in recommendations of recordings, particularly for his piano music. I'll definitely look into the cello concerto, though.

The recording I have is from COLLINS, piano music played by Artur Pizarro. Of the three sonatas, the first is an early piece, youthful but otherwise unremarkbale. The second sonata is my favorite of the three, easily matches that of Myaskovsky. The third sonata is the most famous and most often performed of the three, partly because of the memorable folksy themes, I am sure. The filler pieces are nice, too. But when I play this CD I usually only listen to the 2nd and 3rd sonata. 
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on May 27, 2009, 12:56:09 AM
Quote from: springrite on May 27, 2009, 12:29:36 AM
The recording I have is from COLLINS, piano music played by Artur Pizarro. Of the three sonatas, the first is an early piece, youthful but otherwise unremarkbale. The second sonata is my favorite of the three, easily matches that of Myaskovsky. The third sonata is the most famous and most often performed of the three, partly because of the memorable folksy themes, I am sure. The filler pieces are nice, too. But when I play this CD I usually only listen to the 2nd and 3rd sonata. 

Must look out for these - thanks for info.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: DFO on May 27, 2009, 03:20:16 AM
Abot 2d.and 3d.piano sonatas, nobody can match Horowitz IMO.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Joe_Campbell on May 27, 2009, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 27, 2009, 12:56:09 AM
Must look out for these - thanks for info.
Seconded. Thanks springrite!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: karlhenning on November 02, 2010, 05:19:05 AM
Well, now, I don't know that I would have sought this thread out, had it not been for Gurn's recent post elsewhere.  But now I am curious to hear [clips at least of] the second cello concerto . . . .
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 02, 2010, 06:10:56 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 02, 2010, 05:19:05 AM
Well, now, I don't know that I would have sought this thread out, had it not been for Gurn's recent post elsewhere.  But now I am curious to hear [clips at least of] the second cello concerto . . . .

Well, I will enjoy this thread at leisure and post when I have more to say than that I listened last week to the 2 cello concerti and liked them a lot... :)

8)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Pierre on September 01, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
Daniil Shafran's recording of the Kabalevsky is available on YouTube - well worth hearing (allowing for moments lifted from Prokofiev's Symphony-Concerto):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGO4WITVwaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUG1a2SzVTc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt5NQ5zF9KU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxT-QStd9Pk&feature=related
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
Just listened to the cpo recording of the Fourth,after a long gap  & I have to say I'm with Vandermolen on this one. Quite impressive in it's own way. A bit of an eye opener if you're previous experiences of were Kabalevsky were scores like The Comedians,the Colas Breugnon Overture and the noisy,brash but fun Second Symphony. Maybe Kabalevsky was capable of some depth after all? After this it would be nice to sample one of the opera's,which were once available on the Olympia label,I believe (and Melodiya before that,no doubt).

It would be nice if the same team could have a go at Tikhon Khrennikov's three,especially the Second,which I believe Vandermolen is quite partial to,as well. While I would place Kabalevsky's Fourth a little way above the Khrennikov 2,in terms of general inspiration,there is something about Khrennikov's best music;the tangy harmonies,haunting lyricism,that places him a little above the level of the hack he's generally supposed to be.
 
Please note,I am posting the above,fully aware of the fact that just saying anything good about Kabalevsky,and Khrennikov in particular,is possibly going to attract some negative comments (or boredom!). Lets face it,they were b*******,weren't they! And,no I'm not an admirer of Lev Knippers fourth symphony! ;D (Although,I'd be prepared to give the other Knipper symphonies a go,if they ever get recordings as good as this!)

NB: I think I might dig out the Chandos cds later (although this one's better).
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
Must be in the right mood for Kabalevsky,tonight. I put on one of the Chandos cds of the Piano Concerto's,afterwards & for the first time (I've had the cds for ages) I actually really enjoyed them. Okay,they're not Prokofiev or Rachmaninov,and they filch shamelessly from their superiors,but they have lot's of good tunes,they're excitingly written,and if for some wierd,reason you'd never heard Prokofiev or Rachmaninov,you'd probably think they were pretty good,and in a way they probably are. As Dundonnell said in an earlier post,comparisons are pretty pointless really & if you do enjoy this music,worrying about whether it's derivative just spoils the fun. The third Piano Concerto,in particular, really DOES have a memorable tune,almost like a 'popular' song.

Listening to the cpo set of the symphonies prompted me to buy a s/h copy of the Unicorn cd of his Second symphony,coupled with Myaskovsy's wonderfully enigmatic 21st. I had the Lp when I was a teenager & it got played allot! The cpo recording of the Second is by far the best one I have heard since the Measham recording.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 03:42:07 PM
Kabalevsky's music is a LOT better than Khrennikov's in my opinion.

But if you are liking Kabalevsky you might try Vadim Salmanov's four symphonies. There is a set with the  Leningrad Phil. under Mravinsky. Fairly basic recording but worth hearing.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3832.0.html

and NO I didn't start the thread... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 03:48:58 PM
....and Shebalin's five :)

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,12704.0.html
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 03:55:06 PM
I actually DO rather like the Khrennikov symphonies,they get played quite allot! :o ,but I would be the first one to admit that Kabalevsky's got more fire and poetry to his muse. I hope to hear one of his opera's one day,too,if I get the chance;I've heard rumours that they are quite good.
I remember reading a very enthusiastic review of the Salmanov symphonies,in Gramophone,I think,before it got swapped for IRR! I'm a bit of a sucker for the politically incorrect byways of lesser Soviet composers and I will certainly look into them.( I DO wish more of Melodiya's more 'exotic' back catalogue could get reissued,somehow or other).

NB: Tikhon's going on next!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 03:55:06 PM
I actuallyDO rather like the Khrennikov symphonies,they get played quite allot! :o ,but I would be the first one to admit that Kabalevsky's got more fire and poetry to his muse. I hope to hear one of his opera's one day,too,if I get the chance;I've heard rumours that they are quite good.
I remember reading a very enthusiastic review of the Salmanov symphonies,in Gramophone,I think,before it got swapped for IRR! I'm a bit of a sucker for the politically incorrect byways of lesser Soviet composers and I will certainly look into them.( I DO wish more of Melodiya's more 'exotic' back catalogue could get reissued,somehow or other).

IRR is SO much better than The Gramophone these days, isn't it!! Proper, lengthy, detailed reviews not the wretched paragraph reviewers in The Gramophone get. I still buy The Gramophone but really out of residual loyalty(having been buying it for the best part of 50 years now!)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 04:00:32 PM
Have you ever seen 'Fanfare'? I have heard good things about it,but the subscription is daunting! :o
I thought IRR was a bit dry at first,but it grows on you. Like the old Gramophone of yore,I keep referring back to my copies,and there always seems to be something I missed. In a dumbed down age like ours,IRR is a bit of an oddity,it's actually worth reading.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 04:00:32 PM
Have you ever seen 'Fanfare'? I have heard good things about it,but the subscription is daunting! :o

Hmmmm. Better keep my money for buying more cds :D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 04:13:14 PM
Around £74 for six copies. You could buy a few cds for that,but it is around the thickness of a paperback book,apparently. IRR,very nicely,provide sample copies. In fact they sent me two. Now I'm hooked.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: John Copeland on September 20, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
What is IRR and where can it be got?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: John of Clydebank on September 20, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
What is IRR and where can it be got?

I was just about to go to bed...but logged back on to say:

"International Record Review"  http://recordreview.co.uk/index.php

I get mine sent through the post. Highly recommended!!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 21, 2011, 03:33:35 AM
The reviews are far longer & more detailed than Gramophone. No celeb stuff,no pages of inane interviews with dippy diva's & inane lists,it just gets down to the job of reviewing cds,which is what Gramophone used to be so good at doing. I found it a little dry at first,but that's probably because Gramophone style glossy mags had dumbed ME down! Some critics have suggested that the reviews are overtly positive.At times I feel there's a little truth in that,somewhere. Romantic obscurities like York Bowen's Symphonies getting rave reviews,for example! :o :o :o Otherwise,I find it very good & I won't be returning to Gramophone & I have read some VERY negative reviews in IRR,so,there we are!

OOps,sorry Kabalevsky! I'm looking forward to that s/h Unicorn. Hope the Miaskovsky Symphony 21 doesn't induce me to go on a Myaskovsky spending spree! (If I was loaded,I REALLY,honestly, wouldn't mind!).

Just to clarify a point. I do quite like the Khrennikov symphonies,particularly No 2. BUT! While they do get played now & again,I would like to point out,they're not exactly on rotation! The poor mans Shostakovich,he may be,but he's got his own spicy harmonic style,the quiet bit's linger in the mind,the playing of that old Soviet orchestra is really quite phenomenol,(maybe they were so terrified of him,it spurred them to excel them selves,in some way) & the those 'filmic' 'himalayan' bits in the finale of No3 ARE fun! He WAS a bit of a rotter,though! :o :o :o
A Lev Knipper symphony cycle next,please! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on September 21, 2011, 04:42:37 AM
I would rather have a complete cycle of the symphonies of Maximilian Steinberg and all the Vainberg symphonies before ploughing through all Knipper's 20 :D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 21, 2011, 04:55:52 AM
I remember some posters having some fun at the expense of Knipper's 'Komsomol Soldier' symphony(his Fourth) on one of these forums. So bad it's funny! They had it on Youtube & possibly still do? To be fair,the Red Army choir was rather good & I would have loved to hear them do 'Das Siegeslied'! :o :o :o
Personally,I would rather sit through every single one of Lev Knipper's 20 symphonies, & everything else he ever wrote,than listen to one single bar of a certain English composer I shall not name!  :o
Come on cpo,a Lev Knipper cycle.BRING IT ON!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: eyeresist on September 21, 2011, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
Please note,I am posting the above,fully aware of the fact that just saying anything good about Kabalevsky,and Khrennikov in particular,is possibly going to attract some negative comments (or boredom!). Lets face it,they were b*******,weren't they!

I don't think there's any good reason to call Kabalevsky a bastard, beyond the wild speculations in which classical fans sometimes indulge.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: The new erato on September 21, 2011, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
IRR is SO much better than The Gramophone these days, isn't it!! Proper, lengthy, detailed reviews not the wretched paragraph reviewers in The Gramophone get. I still buy The Gramophone but really out of residual loyalty(having been buying it for the best part of 50 years now!)
Yes it is. I had both in tandem for a while, but cut the Gramophone crap a while ago. Those who only rely on the web don't know what they're missing with IRR.

I had Fanfare for about 10 years, but while it's very good, there's only so much time. One mag's enough, for me it's IRR. Their comparative and lengthy reviews are pretty often pure gold.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Lethevich on September 22, 2011, 07:10:41 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on September 20, 2011, 05:51:58 PM
"International Record Review"  http://recordreview.co.uk/index.php

I get mine sent through the post. Highly recommended!!

Okay - I bought the sample issue when I first saw this link, and it was super - much better than Gramophone so I'll be subscribing. Thanks!

I recall the site design, so have visited the page before - I suspect that it was many years ago before UK debit cards became interchangable with the VISA system, and so I couldn't order from them at the time. But I can now, yay.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on September 22, 2011, 07:24:40 AM
DId you get two sample copies? I did,even though they specified one!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Lethevich on September 22, 2011, 07:31:46 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on September 22, 2011, 07:24:40 AM
DId you get two sample copies? I did,even though they specified one!

Ah, now I feel cheated! ;D Interestingly, I am already considering picking up a back-issue, as the Liszt retrospective (part 2) in the issue I got was really impressive.

And... um, so Kabalevsky, huh :D How 'bout dem piano sonatas?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Pierre on November 28, 2011, 03:42:42 PM
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevna Pettersson on September 22, 2011, 07:31:46 AM

And... um, so Kabalevsky, huh :D How 'bout dem piano sonatas?

They're ok but very derivative. Much more characterful are the 24 Preludes, Op. 38, which he wrote during WWII - amongst his best works, I'd say.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on December 02, 2011, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevna Pettersson on September 22, 2011, 07:31:46 AM
Ah, now I feel cheated! ;D Interestingly, I am already considering picking up a back-issue, as the Liszt retrospective (part 2) in the issue I got was really impressive.

And... um, so Kabalevsky, huh :D How 'bout dem piano sonatas?
I like IRR. At first I thought it was a little dry,and then I realised that Gramophone had probably dumbed ME down! :o IRR grows on you after a while & like Gramophone,in it's hey day,I find myself poring* over old copies over and over again.Although,maybe that's just because it's in the loo! :o (Also in the loo,Which consumer Mag,1960s/50s copies of National Geographic [did you know the USSR was still in existence?!] & old copies of the Penguin Record guide). The old Gramophone DID have the edge,though,but IRR magazine is proof that,even in these dumbed down times,it IS actually possible to dumb up! ;D
  On the downside,the November copy had 10 pages on Verdi's 'Don Carlos'. Talk about a snoozefest! And the print is small. I'm glad I'm not an OAP............yet!!!! (But then again,you get more review per square millimeter!!!!)

*'poring over them'! Not in that way,I might add!!!!!!! :o

Don't know Kabalevsky's Piano Sonata's,but I put on the Marco Polo cd of the, short lived,Stanchinsky's piano music,today. It has been lying in the box for ages. I really enjoed his music. Poor chap,a sad loss. If anyone hasn't heard his piano music,it's a bit like Scriabin,but less potty! Not saying it's as good,but I was quite impressed. No dull note spinning,there. But I'll need to listen again before I can really decide. I gather there are better performances on cd,though.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on December 02, 2011, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on September 20, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
Just listened to the cpo recording of the Fourth,after a long gap  & I have to say I'm with Vandermolen on this one. Quite impressive in it's own way. A bit of an eye opener if you're previous experiences of were Kabalevsky were scores like The Comedians,the Colas Breugnon Overture and the noisy,brash but fun Second Symphony. Maybe Kabalevsky was capable of some depth after all? After this it would be nice to sample one of the opera's,which were once available on the Olympia label,I believe (and Melodiya before that,no doubt).

It would be nice if the same team could have a go at Tikhon Khrennikov's three,especially the Second,which I believe Vandermolen is quite partial to,as well. While I would place Kabalevsky's Fourth a little way above the Khrennikov 2,in terms of general inspiration,there is something about Khrennikov's best music;the tangy harmonies,haunting lyricism,that places him a little above the level of the hack he's generally supposed to be.
 
Please note,I am posting the above,fully aware of the fact that just saying anything good about Kabalevsky,and Khrennikov in particular,is possibly going to attract some negative comments (or boredom!). Lets face it,they were b*******,weren't they! And,no I'm not an admirer of Lev Knippers fourth symphony! ;D (Although,I'd be prepared to give the other Knipper symphonies a go,if they ever get recordings as good as this!)

NB: I think I might dig out the Chandos cds later (although this one's better).

Sorry I missed this post. I agree with Colin - you'll like the Salmanov set. My youthful self also listened a great deal to that wonderful old Unicorn LP of Miaskovsky Symphony No 21/Kabalevsky Symphony No 2 (an inspired coupling).  Measham's performance of both works remains very competitive still. I wish they'd issue the Goossens Symphony No 1 in the same series on CD too.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on December 02, 2011, 02:26:42 PM
Thank you for you're reply Vandermolen. I will say,you're own posts are always a very rewarding read.I HAVE made a note of the Salmanov set. Colin knows his stuff & as far as I can make out,he's heard every composer I've heard & more!!! I don't entirely agree with him about Khrennikov,well,the symphonies,anyway. I play then now and again & I always enjoy them. Knowing what the bloke was like I suppose I shouldn't,but I do! Like you,Vandermolen,I regard the Second as the finest of the three,but,peronally,I do have a rather soft spot for the third,with those kitschy 'Himalayan' harmonies,as Rob Barnett,I think,referred to them. Very 'filmic' & fun......but not if you're Colin,or Dundonnell,as I am used to calling him,who thinks 'Comrade Khrennikov' was a hack!  :( 

Of course,you only have to listen to Shostakovich for five seconds,to see the difference,but like Dundonnell,I'm not keen on comparisons! ;D


Anyway,back to Salmanov. I have not bought these yet,for two simple reasons. 1) The last time I looked,the Sellers on Amazon were asking silly prices & there's only so much I'm prepared to pay,and 2) I have so many things allready on my 'list. Like Comrade Albion,I mean Albion ;D,I do get round to buying these things,eventually;they just gradually get ticked off,as I work through the list. It really is a pity that some budget label can't emerge to release some of these old soviet era recordings. It really would help enhance our perspective on some of these un pc composers. Thirdly,while one or two Salmanov cds are currently being offered at a reasonably low price,they are on offer from Sellers,that,in my experience,I would prefer not to do business with. End of sermon! ;D

Myaskovsky's another one & I gather you are a bit of an expert on him. But there are so many symphonies & if I bought one & I really enjoyed it,like Oliver Twist,I'd probably want more. And I don't fancy busking outside Tesco in this weather!

The Hungarian,Laszlo Lajtha's another soviet era composer whose pretty good. Some of his themes could be more memorable,at times,I suppose &  he lacks the distinctive profile of,say,Martinu. On the other hand,I do like the clear,transparency of his orchestration,and,at best,he has a flair for colour,which reminds me of Roussel,when he's in a sunny mood & not being too strenuous. ;D  I really,do think his music would benefit from a really first rate,state of the art recordings.In fact,maybe,the time is about ripe for a Laszlo Lajtha thread,but I'd probably only get one reply! Symphonies 8 & 9,in particular, are not bad at all!!!! Not to mention Marco Polo's unusual artwork!

Regarding the Unicorn Goossens recording. I hadn't heard of this one. Was this Measham,too? A fine conductor. Is he still around? I recently bought the Unicorn cd of his reading of the Barber symphony. Very impressive!

Finally,let's hear it for Stanchinsky!!!!!

Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Dundonnell on December 03, 2011, 07:05:09 AM
Sadly, David Measham died of cancer in 2005 aged 67 :(

Hungaroton reissued Lajtha's Symphonies Nos. 4 and 9 on cd conducted by Janos Ferencsik in rather better performances than the Marco Polo effort.

Oh...and thank you for your kind words regarding my musical knowledge ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on December 03, 2011, 09:02:03 AM
I'm sorry to hear that,Dundonnell. A sad loss.

I shall have to keep an eye out for those Hungaroton cds. Lajtha,is,in my humble opinion,a little let down,at times,by the absence of truly memorable themes. Also,some of his symphonies seem more like suites. His music is also less distinctive than any of his better known contemporaries. Even Dohnanyi strikes me as having a more personal sound world. Having said that,at best,his uncluttered,orchestration has a cleansing,bracing quality to it which I do quite like. Symphonies 8 & 9 are not bad at all. The pick of the bunch!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 20, 2012, 08:31:31 AM
And now from our roving reporter at the GMG newsdesk,news of a new cd release,from CPO,of the 'Complete Works for Piano & Orchestra' by Dimitri Kabalevsky:

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By dinasman (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/dinasman) at 2012-08-20

This 2cd release is scheduled for release on September 3rd!
And now back to the studio for some late noughts & crosses results.......
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: lescamil on August 21, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
Michael Korstick has done great work on other complete piano concerto sets. He should be great with these concertos. We particularly need another solid recording of the second concerto, in my opinion (yes, I've heard the Gilels and others). This is such great music that we can't have enough recordings of it.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 21, 2012, 11:20:33 AM
Oh good,it sounds very promising,then! :) Their 2cd set of the symphonies was marvellous. So wonderful to be able to hear the Fourth Symphony in a really good,modern performance & recording. And let's not forget the 1st & even,the third (it fills out the 'picture'!)
The performance of the Second Symphony is the only performance I have enjoyed,other than the old deleted Measham one,on Unicorn,which I used to play allot as a teenager. It would be nice to see this reissued,incidentally! I remember borrowing the Olympia recording,from the library & thinking it was awful.
Naturally,after hearing this,I can't wait to hear the new integral set of the Piano Concerto's from cpo.
Nice cover design too,although,maybe not as appropriate as the design for the symphonies!

After that,I rather wish someone would reissue the Olympia set of his Colas Breugnon opera!

Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 21, 2012, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 21, 2012, 11:20:33 AM
Oh good,it sounds very promising,then! :) Their 2cd set of the symphonies was marvellous. So wonderful to be able to hear the Fourth Symphony in a really good,modern performance & recording. And let's not forget the 1st & even,the third (it fills out the 'picture'!)
The performance of the Second Symphony is the only performance I have enjoyed,other than the old deleted Measham one,on Unicorn,which I used to play allot as a teenager. It would be nice to see this reissued,incidentally! I remember borrowing the Olympia recording,from the library & thinking it was awful.
Naturally,after hearing this,I can't wait to hear the new integral set of the Piano Concerto's from cpo.
Nice cover design too,although,maybe not as appropriate as the design for the symphonies!

After that,I rather wish someone would reissue the Olympia set of his Colas Breugnon opera!

That old Unicorn LP with Measham conducting Symphony No 2 with Miaskovsky's No 21 was a great one. It would be great to see it reissued on CD. I'll pester Alto about it.  :D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 21, 2012, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 21, 2012, 01:06:33 PM
That old Unicorn LP with Measham conducting Symphony No 2 with Miaskovsky's No 21 was a great one. It would be great to see it reissued on CD. I'll pester Alto about it.  :D
Please do,Vandermolen! ;D

Great news about this set,though;although,maybe not for my pocket! :(
And,I know I might make myself unpopular now,but I wish they'd do the same for Khrennikov!
It seems to me that Khrennikov is a bit like Marmite. Either you love him or hate him! And I AM referring to his music,of course!!! :o ;D

I see they are currently debating the man himself on another classical music forum. Personally,I can't get enough of the Piano Concerto's!  There's just 'something' about them! Interesting to note that the person who is foremost in attacking TK,also (big suprise!) has a low opinion of his music! Surely,one can like Wagner's music,without worrying about the man himself! What must he think of Gombert?!!! :o ;D




Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 22, 2012, 06:08:18 AM
Listening to an Etta James album at the moment!
(shome mistake,ed! :o)

Its about time there was an alternative to those Chandos recordings. I wouldn't care to criticise the performances or recordings,but,if the performance of the second Symphony is anything to go by,I'm a bit dubious of their merits. They seem to lack fire & I know they have been criticised for this,elsewhere. At any rate,it's going to be nice to have a set that concentrates on the concerto's,themselves. Much as I like them (well,usually!) Chandos's inclusion of the 'Colas Breugnon overture' & 'The Comedians',is an unwelcome distraction,as far as this bunny is concerned! ;D


Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 22, 2012, 08:11:23 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 21, 2012, 02:33:44 PM
Please do,Vandermolen! ;D

Great news about this set,though;although,maybe not for my pocket! :(
And,I know I might make myself unpopular now,but I wish they'd do the same for Khrennikov!
It seems to me that Khrennikov is a bit like Marmite. Either you love him or hate him! And I AM referring to his music,of course!!! :o ;D

I see they are currently debating the man himself on another classical music forum. Personally,I can't get enough of the Piano Concerto's!  There's just 'something' about them! Interesting to note that the person who is foremost in attacking TK,also (big suprise!) has a low opinion of his music! Surely,one can like Wagner's music,without worrying about the man himself! What must he think of Gombert?!!! :o ;D

No go with Alto I'm afraid. The Unicorn catalogue has been sold to a rival company and they don't like CDs featuring different composers, nor do they want to duplicate Miaskovsky's 21st Symphony which they've already released under Svetlanov (with great notes  ;D). Other than that it's great news  8). I like Khrennikov's 2nd Symphony very much - it is very catchy and possesses depth in the slow movement - especially at the end.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 22, 2012, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 22, 2012, 08:11:23 AM
No go with Alto I'm afraid. The Unicorn catalogue has been sold to a rival company and they don't like CDs featuring different composers, nor do they want to duplicate Miaskovsky's 21st Symphony which they've already released under Svetlanov (with great notes  ;D). Other than that it's great news  8). I like Khrennikov's 2nd Symphony very much - it is very catchy and possesses depth in the slow movement - especially at the end.
Yes,I have heard something,somewhere about the notes! ;D Still,at least they had the courtesy to answer.Most do,mind.The only one that ever didn't,in my experience,was Nimbus! :(
  What about Regis? Or have they ceased to exist? (are they now,Alto?!) They reissued some cds of 'soviet'/Russian music. I have a certain preference towards one composer cds myself (although those old 'lollipop' style Lps,they used to do,years ago,were rather fun!) For some strange reason,those two very different symphonies complimented one another very well. In fact,when I bought the cd version,the inclusion of the 'Hamlet' music,felt like an unwelcome intrusion! Since the s/h cd,I bought, had a fault (I found out too late to get my money back! :( But I had the recordings! :)) I made a cdr & left that pesky 'Hamlet' intruder out! ;D




Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: lescamil on August 22, 2012, 03:07:32 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 22, 2012, 06:08:18 AM
Much as I like them (well,usually!) Chandos's inclusion of the 'Colas Breugnon overture' & 'The Comedians',is an unwelcome distraction,as far as this bunny is concerned! ;D

Completely agreed, even though The Comedians has some cute moments. They also left out the other three works for piano and orchestra! I've listened to samples of the Korstick and I already like it better than the others I've heard.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 23, 2012, 06:09:25 AM
The Comedians is great fun,when you're in the mood.But in between Concerto's? No! It just seems wrong! And yes,you can program it out;but it just doesn't 'feel' right,at least,when there are other works for piano & orchestra,you could include,instead. More importantly,for this kill joy;it spoils the mood! :o
The same goes for their inclusion of the Second Symphony. I do like that symphony. It really is rather good! But Chandos's flabby performance doesn't help! If it was of the calibre of the exciting,fiery Measham,yes. Or as good as the next best (by comparison,only!).....the cpo? Either way,cpo have got it right,again & good for them! :)
Well done cpo!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: eyeresist on August 23, 2012, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 21, 2012, 11:20:33 AMThe performance of the Second Symphony is the only performance I have enjoyed,other than the old deleted Measham one,on Unicorn,which I used to play allot as a teenager. It would be nice to see this reissued,incidentally! I remember borrowing the Olympia recording,from the library & thinking it was awful.

Were you aware of this one?
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Another thing we need is a modern recording of the Requiem. Or at least a reissue of the Olympia recording.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: lescamil on August 23, 2012, 07:39:13 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on August 23, 2012, 06:04:47 PM
Another thing we need is a modern recording of the Requiem.

There is a new one on CPO, along with the rest of the symphonies, with Eiji Oue and the NDR Radiophilharmonie.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: eyeresist on August 23, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: lescamil on August 23, 2012, 07:39:13 PMThere is a new one on CPO, along with the rest of the symphonies, with Eiji Oue and the NDR Radiophilharmonie.

No, I'm not talking about Symphony No. 3. I'm talking about the later, much longer work.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Ljyzi4iKL.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Dmitri-Kabalevsky-5/dp/B000003W5L/ref=cm_cmu_pg_i/?tag=goodmusicguideco)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: lescamil on August 23, 2012, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on August 23, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
No, I'm not talking about Symphony No. 3. I'm talking about the later, much longer work.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Ljyzi4iKL.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Dmitri-Kabalevsky-5/dp/B000003W5L/ref=cm_cmu_pg_i/?tag=goodmusicguideco)

Duh, I knew that. I have that old Olympia release, but it has been collecting dust for a while. It might be high time to revisit it. Maybe CPO will eventually do this Requiem, too?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 24, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 22, 2012, 08:56:33 AM
Yes,I have heard something,somewhere about the notes! ;D Still,at least they had the courtesy to answer.Most do,mind.The only one that ever didn't,in my experience,was Nimbus! :(
  What about Regis? Or have they ceased to exist? (are they now,Alto?!) They reissued some cds of 'soviet'/Russian music. I have a certain preference towards one composer cds myself (although those old 'lollipop' style Lps,they used to do,years ago,were rather fun!) For some strange reason,those two very different symphonies complimented one another very well. In fact,when I bought the cd version,the inclusion of the 'Hamlet' music,felt like an unwelcome intrusion! Since the s/h cd,I bought, had a fault (I found out too late to get my money back! :( But I had the recordings! :)) I made a cdr & left that pesky 'Hamlet' intruder out! ;D

Regis still exist - they just issued a highly regarded Shostakovich Symphony 11 (Mravinsky). I think that they are part of the same group as Alto - the CDs have a very similar appearance.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 24, 2012, 07:50:52 AM
A bit confusing,as they both seem to share similar repertory. If I was 'them' I'd go for Alto,it's catchier! ;D
They're so many labels now,it's hard to keep up! :( :)

I'm going to have to look at my 'message' settings,now. Apologies again,Vandermolen!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on October 04, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
New recording of Kabalevsky's two excellent cello concertos due out soon from CPO:

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http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/Dimitri-Kabalewsky-Cellokonzerte-Nr-1-2/hnum/4963360
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on October 04, 2013, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: kyjo on October 04, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
New recording of Kabalevsky's two excellent cello concertos due out soon from CPO:

(http://www.jpc.de/image/w220/front/0/0761203766826.jpg)

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/Dimitri-Kabalewsky-Cellokonzerte-Nr-1-2/hnum/4963360

Exciting news - thanks for alerting us. No 2 is his masterpiece, a work of considerable depth which changed my view of Kabalevsky.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2013, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 04, 2013, 01:27:37 PM
Exciting news - thanks for alerting us. No 2 is his masterpiece, a work of considerable depth which changed my view of Kabalevsky.

Plunges depths of CD collection for a recording of Cello Concerto No. 2....okay found one!

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I also have the Naxos recording (somewhere).
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on October 05, 2013, 05:26:01 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 04, 2013, 08:41:57 PM
Plunges depths of CD collection for a recording of Cello Concerto No. 2....okay found one!

[asin]B00006JN9Q[/asin]

I also have the Naxos recording (somewhere).

That's an excellent recording, John! The VC is a fantastic work as well.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on October 06, 2013, 08:50:49 AM
My favourite performance:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: snyprrr on June 11, 2014, 03:16:44 PM
Yea, I like that CC 2, especially on that Chandos with Khatchaturian, which surely is the same recording repackaged as above. And one hears great things about that Shafran.

Anything else by Kabalevsky worth noting? CC 1 (Yo-Yo Ma) didn't make any kind of impression like No.2.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 12, 2014, 11:06:07 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on June 11, 2014, 03:16:44 PM
Yea, I like that CC 2, especially on that Chandos with Khatchaturian, which surely is the same recording repackaged as above. And one hears great things about that Shafran.

Anything else by Kabalevsky worth noting? CC 1 (Yo-Yo Ma) didn't make any kind of impression like No.2.

Yes, try Symphony 1, very much in the spirit of his teacher Miaskovsky and I have a soft spot for Symphony No. 4. Which I feel is underrated and prefer to the better known Symphony No. 2, which is enjoyable but more superficial I think.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987) PCs 1-4!! !! !!
Post by: snyprrr on June 18, 2014, 06:21:45 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 12, 2014, 11:06:07 AM
Yes, try Symphony 1, very much in the spirit of his teacher Miaskovsky and I have a soft spot for Symphony No. 4. Which I feel is underrated and prefer to the better known Symphony No. 2, which is enjoyable but more superficial I think.

Doggedly, I struck gold in them thar hills!! $:)

The Symphony No.1 was my favorite out of those, buuut,... wait for it,... WOOOW!, I got the same feeling from his Piano Concertos 1-4 (CPO, Chandos) as I did from the Mailipiero- supremely anonymous but with the it-can-only-be-Kabalevsky feeling running through every note. This has to be as great as the Greats, because, without it (its deceptive blandness), the Greats wouldn't seem so Great!? So,... they're Great! All 4 of them,... I especially liked the wan No.1 and the 'Polish' No.4, though the other two were actually much more in the mold of a normal Prokofiev, so, they were just fine on their own.

And, I liked what I heard from the Violin Concerto. The only concerto I'm not fully convinced of is the Cello Concerto No.1 (historically Yo-Yo Ma), but, nevermind, there's plenty of glorious juicy goodness in the Piano & Violin Concerts.


Nooow,...


this led me to the Khachaturian Violin Concerto, which led to the Miaskovsky, Glazunov, and Tchaikovsky (just went through Prokofiev and Schostakovich), so I'm trying to wrap-it-up here with Russian Violin Concertos.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Scion7 on July 25, 2014, 05:59:46 AM
In a college 400-level paper on the state of music during the Soviet system (aka composers) I barely touched on Kabalevsky since he "collaborated" and was not persecuted by the State as were Shostakovich, et al.  So today I am investigating the biography of this composer in more depth, but it is difficult around here to get ahold of the physical books in English - the University has several sources online, of course, but that's a pain.  And I can't use the system at home.  Grrr.  >:( 

His compositions are tuneful and enjoyable, if not important to the development of classical music.  And his Violin Concerto gave a young Oistrakh another chance to strut his stuff.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on July 25, 2014, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Scion7 on July 25, 2014, 05:59:46 AM
In a college 400-level paper on the state of music during the Soviet system (aka composers) I barely touched on Kabalevsky since he "collaborated" and was not persecuted by the State as were Shostakovich, et al.  So today I am investigating the biography of this composer in more depth, but it is difficult around here to get ahold of the physical books in English - the University has several sources online, of course, but that's a pain.  And I can't use the system at home.  Grrr.  >:( 

His compositions are tuneful and enjoyable, if not important to the development of classical music.  And his Violin Concerto gave a young Oistrakh another chance to strut his stuff.

Although I think that Cello Concerto No. 2 is a work of considerable eloquence.




Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Scion7 on July 25, 2014, 11:57:53 AM
Yes, I like that piece - only the most superfluous stuff of his do I dismiss.  No crime in treading water if you do it well.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on July 26, 2014, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Scion7 on July 25, 2014, 11:57:53 AM
Yes, I like that piece - only the most superfluous stuff of his do I dismiss.  No crime in treading water if you do it well.

I think that symphonies 1 and 4 are underrated too.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987) ----- Piano Concertos 1-4-----
Post by: snyprrr on November 22, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
The Malipiero PCs reminded me of the CPO set of Kabalevsky PCs... or the Chandos...
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2016, 02:33:36 PM
I hadn't realised how good Piano Concerto 1 is although Snyprrr mentioned it above. The slow movement has a wonderful 'Funebre' section with a pounding ostinato which reminded me of my favourite section of Lennox Berkeley's Concerto for Two Pianos (Christo are you there? 😀). I am so delighted to discover this fine work:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: lescamil on March 14, 2016, 04:16:10 PM
For me, the first two Kabalevsky concertos are masterpieces. The first one really reminds me of Medtner's sort of yearning, romantic sound, but with touches of his Soviet sound later on. The central theme and variations is great, as previously noted. However, I find the best of the four to be his second concerto, which seem to be heavily indebted to Prokofiev's 2nd upon first blush (and compare the piano parts side by side to see even closer debts), but is a very individual work. Again, the second movement is very strong in this piece. Such a satisfying build up occurs in the climax of the movement.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2016, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: lescamil on March 14, 2016, 04:16:10 PM
For me, the first two Kabalevsky concertos are masterpieces. The first one really reminds me of Medtner's sort of yearning, romantic sound, but with touches of his Soviet sound later on. The central theme and variations is great, as previously noted. However, I find the best of the four to be his second concerto, which seem to be heavily indebted to Prokofiev's 2nd upon first blush (and compare the piano parts side by side to see even closer debts), but is a very individual work. Again, the second movement is very strong in this piece. Such a satisfying build up occurs in the climax of the movement.
Thanks for the response. I've just ordered the Naxos CD with PC 1 and 2 on as I enjoyed No.1 so much - so now I can discover No.2 and will report back in due course. I played No.1 three times last night with much enjoyment.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 17, 2016, 02:52:52 PM
BBC Music Magazine recently recommended Kabalevsky's Symphony 4 as a 'what to listen to next' if you like Shostakovich's Symphony 10. I have to agree and regard Kabalevsky's Fourth Symphony as an eloquent and undervalued work. Fortunately there is a good modern recording:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 18, 2016, 01:13:07 AM
Have you heard the Cpo set of his Piano Concertos,Vandermolen? If so,what do you think of it? Just wondering!! ;D
I'm listening to Khatchaturian's Piano Concerto,now. It all seems very laid back and subtle after the histrionics of Tchaikovsky's Manfred (which I like very much!). I think Kabalevsky's Fourth Symphony will be a good follow up. I have the Unicorn Second and Cpo Fourth coupled on a cd-r. I like Khrennikov's music,too....tut! tut! A very controversial figure,I know. Threads have been locked!! ???
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: lescamil on August 18, 2016, 01:19:49 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 18, 2016, 01:13:07 AM
Have you heard the Cpo set of his Piano Concertos,Vandermolen? If so,what do you think of it? Just wondering!! ;D

The CPO set is THE set. Michael Korstick gives a really articulate reading with lots of fire and quirks and plays all of the works for piano and orchestra very well, particularly 2. Kathryn Stott on Chandos is a bit too tame, as were the Naxos recordings. I heard a recording with Ozan Marsh (my piano teacher's teacher!) for the second that can stand up to Korstick, as can an old set with Nikolai Petrov and Emil Gilels doing 2 and 3.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 18, 2016, 01:26:08 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 18, 2016, 01:13:07 AM
Have you heard the Cpo set of his Piano Concertos,Vandermolen? If so,what do you think of it? Just wondering!! ;D
I'm listening to Khatchaturian's Piano Concerto,now. It all seems very laid back and subtle after the histrionics of Tchaikovsky's Manfred (which I like very much!). I think Kabalevsky's Fourth Symphony will be a good follow up. I have the Unicorn Second and Cpo Fourth coupled on a cd-r. I like Khrennikov's music,too....tut! tut! A very controversial figure,I know. Threads have been locked!! ???
Coincidentally I was listening to the Kabalevsky Piano Concertos on CPO just now! No.1 is my new favourite and a great discovery from this year. The CPO set is great although I think that the Chandos recording (Kathryn Stott) is best of all. I have always thought that Symphony 4 was underrated. Most sources suggest that his Symphony 2 is best but I find that lacking the depth of Symphony 4 notwithstanding its superficial approachability. As for Khrennikov (whom I have seen in person  ???) I have always liked his Symphony 2. As he said, no soviet composer lost their lives during the purges whilst he was the musical voice of the communist party and interestingly he stayed in his post after the collapse of the USSR. He was undoubtedly an apparatchik but maybe he had some redeeming features - who knows?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 18, 2016, 02:37:31 AM
Thead locked! ;D Did you get his autograph?!! ??? ;D I think his Second Symphony is his finest. At one point there is some quite sensational playing from the string section in that old soviet recording. I assume you have the same recording as I've got;albeit,on a different label,perhaps? You may know the bit! (The playing is mentioned in the Musicweb review) Regardless of Khrennikov's merits as a composer,that really is quite an extraordinary moment. I will have to play my cd to find out exactly where it occurs,then post back! I also rather like the kitsch filmic moments in the third;which Rob Barnett (I think?) described in a review as 'Himalayan'. Having recently watched and greatly enjoyed a dvd of  the old Hollywood film Lost Horizon,I know what he means (although the score to that film doesn't sound like that!). I also like his Piano concertos. Judging from what I have heard,Khrennikov was quite an accomplished pianist! Of course,there are others who despise his music and everything the man stands for. I can only say that I honestly do enjoy his music;and if you like something you hear what can you do? Believe me,I have tried NOT to enjoy his music!! ;D
I bet you've got the nice Melodiya box set,Vandermolen? Lucky you,if you have! I've got two Kapelmeister cds. They were reviewed,as I said,on Musicweb. There is an editing error on one of the cds,mentioned in the review (or both,I can't remember). The music fades at one point and starts again at the beginning of the movement. It is a very minor issue and has never really bothered me;but Null points for the transfer engineers involved!! ??? ;D
Going back to the Cpo Kabalevsky set. The main attraction for me is that it just concentrates on the concertos. I'd rather listen to the other music on another cd. Of course,I can make a cd-r of the music I want to hear;but I do like old fashioned commercially produced cds best,so it would be nice. Worth splashing out on,then? Even if Chandos have the edge,in terms of the piano playing?!! That said,1 usually can't resist Cpo's artwork! :( ;D I couldn't understand it when one 'critic' (I forget who) slagged it off. I think it's great! I always love their choice of paintings.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 18, 2016, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: lescamil on August 18, 2016, 01:19:49 AM
The CPO set is THE set. Michael Korstick gives a really articulate reading with lots of fire and quirks and plays all of the works for piano and orchestra very well, particularly 2. Kathryn Stott on Chandos is a bit too tame, as were the Naxos recordings. I heard a recording with Ozan Marsh (my piano teacher's teacher!) for the second that can stand up to Korstick, as can an old set with Nikolai Petrov and Emil Gilels doing 2 and 3.
My apologies.how did I miss your post! ::) Not having heard the Cpo set,I did get the impression that,talented as she undoubtedly is,Stott was not really at home in this repertoire. Somehow her interpretations just seemed too tame,as you say. I know that I felt the same way about the Second Symphony,so it wasn't just Stott's performance.
I've been listening to Kabalevsky's Fourth for the last hour,or so (on cordless headphones) and the Second. I like the Fourth Symphony. It has a wistful,melancholy atmosphere and some quite exciting moments which do remind me of Shostakovich. I really wouldn't like to compare the two composers,but taking it purely on it's own terms,I think the Fourth is quite an impressive symphony. The Cpo performance and recording quality sounds very good to my ears. I also like their recording of the Second,which is the only one I've ever enjoyed,besides the celebrated Unicorn. Incidentally,the Unicorn cds are being reissued,aren't they;and with the original artwork?! Hopefully,I will be able to finally collect some deleted titles which have always eluded me,due to ridiculous prices asked by s/h sellers. What a pity that label ceased operation. It's nice to finally see the cds back in circulation.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 18, 2016, 08:17:03 AM
Hello cilgwyn.
Actually I didn't get his autograph but I recognised him sitting in a box at the Bolshoi during a performance of a very tepid and banal ballet composed by him. This was in 1985 - New Year's Day to be precise. I went on my own as my friends were too hung over from the New Year's Eve celebrations in Red Square the night before - quite an experience in itself. The programme notes for the ballet were all in Russian but I worked out that it was Khrennikov and recognised him from photos on old Melodiya LPs. I have two CDs of his Second Symphony, one on a Vox CD coupled with his Violin Concerto 2 (I think) and the other on a CD with all three symphonies on a label with a name like 'Scribendium' I think. I have a set of his piano concertos on a double CD set. Therefore I didn't buy the nice looking Melodiya box which just duplicates everything although this doesn't always stop me! ::) My favourite Khrennikov is the end of the slow movement of the Second Symphony which conveys a depth not encountered, by me at least, anywhere else in his orchestral output. On to Kabalevsky I like the CPO sets of the symphonies, piano concertos and cello concertos. Great art work I agree. I love his PC No.1 and maybe being introduced to it via the Chandos CD influenced my preference for it although it is a very powerful performance of a fine work. His Cello Concerto 2 and Symphony 4 are my other favourites. I hope that Unicorn release Eugene Goossens's First Symphony which was never released on CD. Christo would be pleased too.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 18, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
I'm listening to Khrennikov's Piano Concertos now. I love this music. Yes,I suppose it is all very derivative of Shostakovich and Prokofiev really;but great fun to listen to imho.......and Khrennikov certainly was no mean pianist. I think that if he wasn't who he was,listeners wouldn't be quite so vitriolic. Just reading the reviews,and comments,attached to some of the Khrennikov cds on Amazon's website. He really does provoke heated debate!!! I must admit to being too scared to get involved! ??? ;D
On the other hand,maybe I should really just get a life and listen to the real thing........so I'm going to put on Shostakovich and Prokofiev later. Although,I might play this Khrennikov cd again,first! ;D
I would buy the Cpo set of Kabalevsky's Piano Concertos now;but oh dear,it is a little pricey for me at the moment. A pity,because I think that if you do respond to the more populistic aspects of Soviet culture,Khrennikov and Kabalevsky's music does have quite allot in common;although Khrennikov's idiom seems closer to Shostakovich than Prokofiev,and strikes me having a more astringent sound than Kabalevsky. Again,I like them both;and unlike Vandermolen,I like just about everything I've heard so far! ??? :( ;D


Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 18, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
The CD below has a good performance of Kabalevsky's First PC which is my favourite and the CD is inexpensive.
The Vox CD with Khrennikov's Second Symphony is coupled with his VC No.1 and not 2 as I said above and the CD with all three Khrennikov symphonies is on the Scribendum label.
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 19, 2016, 02:31:00 AM
Thanks,Vandermolen. I will bear that one in mind. There's a nice selection of music on it & fun artwork. Some of the alto Khatchaturian cds have nice artwork,too. Of course,you have to be careful about buying a cd just because you like the artwork.........another reason why temptation got the better of me & I HAVE now bought the Cpo set of the Piano Concertos. I really do like the painting on that one. In that sense cd collecting probably has some similarity with stamp collecting. Ooh,that's a nice penny black! Or what about those old PG Tips tea cards. I mean,what kind of mug would buy a particular brand of tea just because it had a tiny piece of card inside with a dinosaur on it?!! ::) ;D
The Cpo set will take a little while,because it's from one of those US sellers. Although,the dvds I bought from them recently,arrived very quickly. I was a bit surprised.

I listened to the Khrennikov Piano Concertos last night. Reading some of those posts on Amazon accusing Khrennikov of pinching ideas from his betters created some panic here. The opening of his First Piano Concerto is startlingly similar to Prokofiev.......everything about it;so much so that I suddenly thought,"What if it's like one of those Joyce Hatto cds?" or "Perhaps it IS a Prokofiev cd?". Anyway,I took the thing out and,yes,according to the cd,it IS BY Khrennikov. Subsequent movements sound more like the Khrennikov of the Symphonies cd,or Kabalevsky and.......b**** what a mish-mash of styles! I personally loved it;and I think his playing is terrific,but I can understand the accusations of some of his detractors. Personally,I can't resist it. Although,I must confess I only played the cd twice last night because it started skipping part of the way through. I have a feeling my cd players don't approve of Khrennikov. I will also put the cd into my pc a bit later,just in case it IS Prokofiev or a Joyce Hatto compilation. I seem to remember that was how the 'scam' (maybe I shouldn't use that word?) was rumbled!!

I also love that old Soviet style brass. The raspy way it blares out. I was listening to Ashkenazy's Decca recording of The Nutcracker a few days ago and part way through I switched it off. I'd been listening to Svetlanov conducting Balakirev and Liadov,and I started thinking,"that's what this ballet was missing". More expense?!! ::) ;D Not that I always need that sound,of course. Anyway,I digres............

Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 19, 2016, 07:10:03 AM
Interesting post cilgwyn.
That characteristic raucous brass playing was an appealing feature of those old Melodiya recordings. Now the Russian brass tends to lack that quality (and I do regard it as a quality) and sound too 'perfect'. Of course you still want decent playing and I'm not sure how many times I'll be listening to my CD of Moeran's great Symphony played by the Shrewsbury Philharmonic (complete with church bells in the background). Like you I am sometimes influenced by cover art work and have even been known, in a fine example of obsessive compulsive CD nutterdom to buy the identical recording to one I already have if it is released with preferable artwork  ::). I have, for example the Faberman recording of Gliere's Third Symphony on Unicorn, Regis and Alto. Must listen to those Khrennikov concertos - which would you recommend of the violin and piano concertos?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 19, 2016, 08:05:24 AM
I'm listening to Shostakovich now. Interesting to listen to his music after Kabalevsky and Khrennikov. I wish Cpo would record some Khrennikov. I'd like to hear an up to date recording without the Soviet brass. I think that either politics or an opinion that Khrennikov just WAS a hack is an ostacle to any recordings. My money is on the latter!  I would also like to hear a really good recording of a Lev Knipper symphony (or two) from a label like Cpo. He was a particularly prolific composer who was obviously very prominent and well thought of in the Soviet Union. The only recordings I have been able to hear are uploads of old Russian Lps with rotten sound quality and Northern Flowers which were very disappointing in terms of playing and recording quality. Of course there is the Fourth Symphony on Olympia;but again,I wouldn't care to judge his music on that example of populist outpouring. He might be uninteresting,but until a decent recording comes along I will reserve judgement!!
Kabalevsky and Khrennikov aside;I do wish Melodiya would hurry up and get to some of the rarer and less obvious composers and music in their vast back catalogue. For example,Boris Asafiev's The Fountain of Bakhchisarai ballet. I seem to remember the original 2 lp set was coupled with  excerpts from another ballet,Flames of Paris. I have heard a selection of music from the Fountains ballet and very pleasent it was..............,but no cds of it!! Yet,it was in every catalogue and mailing list I received from Collets and the Russian Record Company!  Of course,there are numerous other examples. That's just one!
Actually,just out of interest I will just have a look and see if I can see that set on ebay,perhaps? I'm just wondering what it looked like. I used to like some of the designs with that lovely Russian script. I even quite liked the wierd smell of those boxes. I was told that it was possibly 'animal glue'? Is there any truth in that?!! Do you remember that smell,Vandermolen? Even with your eyes closed you'd have known it was the genuine article. Phew!!! ???

I'm listening to Barshai conducting Shostakovich's Seventh on Regis,now!

I just saw your post!
I love the Khrennikov Piano Concertos;but I'm not sure I could call them good. Maybe they are what is referred to as a gulty pleasure,like Khatchaturian's third symphony?! I'm going to have to skip through my set of the Prokofiev Piano Concertos just to make sure that the engineer behind my Khrennikov cd didn't have a Joyce Hatto moment. The opening movement of his First Piano Concerto really does sound just like Prokofiev,and not just LIKE him! Not that I mind,as long as it  isn't ACTUALLY Prokofiev I'm listening to! I certainly found the similarity startling! The rest of the music on the cd has a more identifiably Khrennikov sound,whatever that might be? To my ears he has a more astringent sound to his music than Kabalevsky. In the Piano Concertos there are the motoric rhythms and percussive sounds of Prokofiev and moments of repose. There is one very curious moment where a motif is repeated almost like chiming. It is very striking and quite memorable imho. I think the inspiration is uneven in places,and there is a vulgarity and kitschness at times which you wouldn't find in Kabalevsky or Prokofiev;but  my overall response is that it is great fun to listen to,and some it is viscerally very exciting. Khrennikov was obviously a very accomplished pianist. I would like to hear him playing some other composers. I wonder if there are any recordings;not necessarily on Lp,but possibly ones made for broadcasts?
Incidentally,I only have the first three Piano Concertos. There is a recording of a Fourth,which is played by someone else. I haven't heard any of his other concertos! :(

Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 19, 2016, 12:03:48 PM
Thanks Cilgwyn. Yes, I do remember 'the smell'. I was often in Colletts when I lived in London and made some fantastic discoveries there. Occasionally there were LPs in thick white cardboard sleeves and nothing else! This was how I discovered Kabalevsky Symphony 4 (conducted by Kabalevsky - Olympia released it with Kabelevsky's secular Requiem as part of a two CD set. Great cover art but now sells for £2,000,000 or something like it. There is a more recent cheaper release on a single CD of Kabalevsky conducting his own Symphony 4. His First Symphony, showing the influence of his teacher Miaskovsky is the other one I really like. Miaskovsky's epic 6th Symphony is another one I first owned on a two LP set in a white plain cardboard sleeve from Colletts. Do you know Eshpai's Symphony 5? A great work which I'm sure would appeal to you.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 20, 2016, 04:51:24 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 18, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
The CD below has a good performance of Kabalevsky's First PC which is my favourite and the CD is inexpensive.
The Vox CD with Khrennikov's Second Symphony is coupled with his VC No.1 and not 2 as I said above and the CD with all three Khrennikov symphonies is on the Scribendum label.
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I think I marginally prefer the artwork on the Regis issue! A little more expensive. Yes,I am tempted by the atrwork.......I mean the music! ;D  I'll put it on my list! Unfortunately,I was a bit of an idiot,and I took the Cpo set of the symphonies to a charity shop. My excuse? Well,short of some kind of Heath Robinson (you may be familiar with the drawings?) apparatus,I could do with a bit more room here? I did rip the Fourth Symphony,however;and I may......hopefully,have the rest on an external drive. I will hook it up a bit later and hopefully I will find it! The truth is I wasn't so impressed by the First and third.........but,maybe I will change my mind. It does happen. You leave something for a while,then when you returny,find yourself warming to it. Not always,of course. Last time around,Gliere's First and Second Symphonies still ended up getting switched off!! :( The third is the one for me!! And it has to be the Unicorn recording. Preferably the one with the all important painting of that bloke on that horse that grabbed my imagination as a teenage,all those years ago. The downside of cds? He's much smaller now! :( ;D
Yet,unlike you,and a good few other listeners I gather;the Chandos recording of Respighi's Sinfonia Drammatica has my up on my feet,conducting the orchestra!! I love it! Pizzetti's Canti della Stagione alta for Piano & orchestra is another one. Everytime I rave about it I just get -----------------------------------------------! Chandos must be getting fed up with me pleading with them to record it!!
On the other hand,I think in the case of Kabalevsky's First I may have been so excited by the Second and Fourth,that I didn't give it enough time. I didn't like the Chandos recording of the Second at all & I thought the recording on the Olympia label was awful. Where were those huge whacks on the drum?  The Unicorn was the one for me! As to the Fourth. I did have an old Lp of it with Kabalevsky conducting. The sound was very thin and scrawny and I remember being a bit excited that it had got a new recording from a label like Cpo. I was intrigued by what I heard on that hard old vinyl Lp;but as I say,the sound quality was a major problem for me. I think the label was MK. Thick vinyl things. There seemed to be a series of them at the time. I think they were reissued Melodiya recordings. Do you remember them? My grandparents had some of them. They were very hard. I think the Kabalevsky had long grass,or some kind of crops taken close up on the front. There was also an album of the Red Army Chorus. My English grandfather (as opposed to the Welsh one) used to like the Soviet Union. He was a very mixed up man,I fear!! ::) The Red Army Chorus were (are?) very singers,though;and I admit I did play the record myself,at times.

Anyway!! ::) ;D Even then,I didn't warm to the Cpo recording immediately. However,repeat listenings have led me to believe that it is a very fine symphony indeed. I love the melancholy atmosphere of the music. There is tragedy there,but it isn't gloomy;and some of the Shostakovich like moments are very thrilling indeed. I have to say at this point that,I do rather like Khrennikov's music,as you will have gathered,and I think it is a pity about his politics,because I think it hinders appreciation of his musixc;but I do think Kabalevsky is the finer composer. I think he assimilated his influences more successfully,his music has more fluency (it flows better) he has better taste and there is a sense humour. The latter is surprising really,when you think of what he seems to have been like as a person. He also had an ear for catchy tunes!
Regarding Eshpai. I remember his name in those old catalogues,too;if I'm not mistaken. I just looked at some reviews on Amazon for a cd of his Fourth and Fifth symphonies and saw what I would refer to as rave reviews!!! ???

I hope that Kabalevsky First is on my pc. I bought the Cpo set of the Piano Concertos off one of those US sellers. Even at their current prices buying the Cpo set of the symphonies would mean a total of at least £42 spent. So,hopefully the recording IS there somewhere! If not,I notice some sites do let you download that symphony only. Not Amazon,however! The only affordable alternative seems to be one of those ASV cds of Loris Tjeknavorian conducting that Armenian orchestra. His Khatchaturian recordings with that orchestra were a crashing disappointment. The playing seemed sloppy. Of course his Kabalevsky with them might be better?!

Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 20, 2016, 05:30:40 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 20, 2016, 04:51:24 AM
Even at their current prices buying the Cpo set of the symphonies would mean a total of at least £42 spent.

The price for the CPO set of symphonies is only Euro 15 at JPC:

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/Dimitri-Kabalewsky-1904-1987-Symphonien-Nr-1-4/hnum/3990087


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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 20, 2016, 06:01:15 AM
Thanks for that,Sage! :) I will bear that in mind. Hopefuly it IS on my external drive somewhere. I haven't looked yet. I'm going to have a cup of something refreshing first!! ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 20, 2016, 12:00:15 PM
Cilgwyn - I very much agree with many of your points. My original LP of Kabalevsky conducting his own Symphony 4 was on one of those very thick and hard Russian LPs. Melodiya or MK probably. I agree that the Unicorn is the best version of Kabalevsky's 2nd Symphony although I prefer to listen to No.4 and No.1. Can't believe you gave your CPO set to a charity shop!  :o. Those Tjeknavorian ASV recordings of Khachaturian were terribly disappointing, especially after his fine RCA account with the LSO which has never been released on CD. David Measham was a fine conductor who died prematurely. That LP with Kabalevsky and Miaskovsky on was a gem. Fortunately you can still pick it up relatively in expensively second hand on CD. His Samuel Barber LP/CD was very fine too and his Goossens Symphony 1 was better than the versions by Vernon Handley and Richard Hickox (his final recording).
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 20, 2016, 01:36:20 PM
I can't believe it either! ::) :( I still haven't looked through that drive. I prefer No 4 to No 2 now. I also have the Unicorn recording of Samuel Barber. It really is excellent.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 20, 2016, 01:46:58 PM
Having very little Kabalevsky in my CD collection (only the Cello Concerto #2 and the Colas Breugnon Overture) I ordered the CPO Symphony set. I'm billing it to you, cilgwyn  ;D

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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 20, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
I'm gaffer taping the letterbox now!! ???

That's all you've got?!!! Two works by the great Dimitri Kabalevsky! You'll be telling me you haven't got any Karl Jenkins next!! ??? ;D (Have you?!!!) And there I was reading your post and thinking  I was the only one without the Cpo release!!



Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 21, 2016, 02:20:55 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 20, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
I'm gaffer taping the letterbox now!! ???

That's all you've got?!!! Two works by the great Dimitri Kabalevsky! You'll be telling me you haven't got any Karl Jenkins next!! ??? ;D (Have you?!!!) And there I was reading your post and thinking  I was the only one without the Cpo release!!
Did you give the Unicorn Barber CD/LP away to a charity shop too?  8)
Actually I have given a box of CDs to the local Oxfam shop recently but not my CPO Kabalevsky series.  0:)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 21, 2016, 03:28:45 AM
No,I've got the Barber Measham cd! To be honest,I just wasn't convinced by No's 1 & 3 at the time;particularly No 3. On a cd-r I can pick the ones I want. Once I find No 1,I will give it another go.....and hopefully,it's there?!!! ::)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 21, 2016, 05:31:14 AM
I've found all the symphonies on the external drive. I obviously had the sense to rip the set before handing it to the charity shop! Well,some sense! Apparently,they went bust,anyway! People were going in,shaking their heads and saying,"Whose this Kabalevsky bloke........where's ABBA?!!! >:( ;D Having listened to the opening of his First Symphony it strikes me that it's probably a better companion for No 4 on a cd-r than No 2. I haven't got any cd-r's at the moment,so I will be listening via the pc.......via cordless headphones!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 21, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: cilgwyn on August 21, 2016, 05:31:14 AM
I've found all the symphonies on the external drive. I obviously had the sense to rip the set before handing it to the charity shop! Well,some sense! Apparently,they went bust,anyway! People were going in,shaking their heads and saying,"Whose this Kabalevsky bloke........where's ABBA?!!! >:( ;D Having listened to the opening of his First Symphony it strikes me that it's probably a better companion for No 4 on a cd-r than No 2. I haven't got any cd-r's at the moment,so I will be listening via the pc.......via cordless headphones!
Excellent news about the external drive! Now you can revisit Kabalevsky's Symphony 1.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: cilgwyn on August 26, 2016, 02:19:17 AM
The Cpo set of the Kabalevsky Piano Concertos fell through the letterbox this morning. The performances and recordings are magnificent, and for once Cpo's booklet notes are fully legible. In fact,they're very good,actually. We all react to things differently;but this is the one that does it for me,not the Chandos cd's! I just feel these performances have more,erm.......how can I put it? Oomph! ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on October 28, 2017, 04:16:55 AM
Capriccio joins in with Kabalevsky. Very differently performed PC than the one on CPO.

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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 04, 2017, 06:42:11 PM
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Listening to the two string quartets from this disc. How is it possible that these works are not more known? This music blowed me away!! Two consistent, energic, melodious, passionate quartets that can't disappoint. The first one reminded me of Moeran, and the second one has a touch a la Shostakovich, being a little cruder than the first one. Overall, magnificent stuff.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on November 04, 2017, 11:00:44 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on November 04, 2017, 06:42:11 PM
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Listening to the two string quartets from this disc. How is it possible that these works are not more known? This music blowed me away!! Two consistent, energic, melodious, passionate quartets that can't disappoint. The first one reminded me of Moeran, and the second one has a touch a la Shostakovich, being a little cruder than the first one. Overall, magnificent stuff.
I couldn't agree with you more Caesar!
I've just been listening to this new release. I've hardly gone beyond the First Quartet which I keep replaying - it is a wonderfully lyrical and in places moving work. I think that your Moeran analogy is spot on. I've felt for many years that Kabalevsky was rather underrated. Works like the Cello Concerto 2 have great depth and Symphony No.4 is one of my favourites too along with Symphony 1 and Piano Concerto 1.
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 05, 2017, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 04, 2017, 11:00:44 PM
I couldn't agree with you more Caesar!
I've just been listening to this new release. I've hardly gone beyond the First Quartet which I keep replaying - it is a wonderfully lyrical and in places moving work. I think that your Moeran analogy is spot on. I've felt for many years that Kabalevsky was rather underrated. Works like the Cello Concerto 2 have great depth and Symphony No.4 is one of my favourites too along with Symphony 1 and Piano Concerto 1.
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Indeed, Jeffrey! Kabalevsky deserves much more attention. The first quartet is really lyrical, as you say, and very moving in some fragments. The 2nd quartet is just as good as the first one, perhaps a little bit better.

I'm very fond of his 4 symphonies. I think all of them are exceptional, very convincing. The cello concerto 2 is quite powerful, a work that shows aspects of turbulent times.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on November 05, 2017, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on November 05, 2017, 11:13:31 AM
Indeed, Jeffrey! Kabalevsky deserves much more attention. The first quartet is really lyrical, as you say, and very moving in some fragments. The 2nd quartet is just as good as the first one, perhaps a little bit better.

I'm very fond of his 4 symphonies. I think all of them are exceptional, very convincing. The cello concerto 2 is quite powerful, a work that shows aspects of turbulent times.
Do you know the wonderful performance of Cello Concerto No.2 Caesar with Kabalevsky conducting and Daniel Shafran playing the cello? I think that it is in a class of its own and deeply moving. The Symphony 1 shows the influence of his teacher Miaskovsky - a fine work and I'm delighted that there are now two recordings of the powerful Symphony 4.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on November 05, 2017, 12:31:56 PM
Kabalevsky's Colas Breugnon overture is one of the most inspiriting pieces of music I know - it's all great fun but the darker middle section contains a surprising amount of depth. It's rather like a Soviet cousin to Bernstein's overture to Candide.

Amongst his other works, the Cello Concerto no. 2 has been a great recent discovery of mine - it deserves to be counted among the greatest 20th century cello concertos. I also find the slow movement of his Cello Concerto no. 1 to be quite moving (the outer movements are comparatively inconsequential IMO). I must explore the rest of his output. I sampled his PC no. 2 which appealed greatly to me.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 05, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 05, 2017, 11:52:57 AM
Do you know the wonderful performance of Cello Concerto No.2 Caesar with Kabalevsky conducting and Daniel Shafran playing the cello? I think that it is in a class of its own and deeply moving. The Symphony 1 shows the influence of his teacher Miaskovsky - a fine work and I'm delighted that there are now two recordings of the powerful Symphony 4.

Unfortunately, I don't know that recording. I suppose it has to be a very significant performance, being conducted by the composer himself. I have this recording, which is very fine as well:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91y41zrrCaL._SL1410_.jpg)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on November 05, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 05, 2017, 12:31:56 PM
Kabalevsky's Colas Breugnon overture is one of the most inspiriting pieces of music I know - it's all great fun but the darker middle section contains a surprising amount of depth. It's rather like a Soviet cousin to Bernstein's overture to Candide.

Amongst his other works, the Cello Concerto no. 2 has been a great recent discovery of mine - it deserves to be counted among the greatest 20th century cello concertos. I also find the slow movement of his Cello Concerto no. 1 to be quite moving (the outer movements are comparatively inconsequential IMO). I must explore the rest of his output. I sampled his PC no. 2 which appealed greatly to me.
Try PC No.1 Kyle as well - I really enjoy the work which is catchy and memorable but also has a slow movement of considerable depth.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on November 05, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 05, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
Try PC No.1 Kyle as well - I really enjoy the work which is catchy and memorable but also has a slow movement of considerable depth.

Will do, Jeffrey. :)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on November 06, 2017, 01:46:33 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on November 05, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Unfortunately, I don't know that recording. I suppose it has to be a very significant performance, being conducted by the composer himself. I have this recording, which is very fine as well:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91y41zrrCaL._SL1410_.jpg)
Indeed - a great disc Caesar but do look out for the Kabalevsky/Shafran recording.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on October 14, 2018, 12:55:33 AM
I've been enjoying the First Piano Concerto, which I consider one of Kabalevsky's finest works. The Chandos recording with Kathryn Stott is probably the best but the version on Alto is very good - better than the Naxos I think. The slow movement is very fine and darkly moving. Here it is played with appropriate gravitas, whereas the Naxos sounds rushed and rather light-weight to me. My other favourites are symphonies 1 and 4 and the magnificent Cello Concerto 2 (especially in the Daniel Shafran/Kabalevsky recording).
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on October 14, 2018, 01:46:44 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 14, 2018, 12:55:33 AM
I've been enjoying the First Piano Concerto, which I consider one of Kabalevsky's finest works. The Chandos recording with Kathryn Stott is probably the best but the version on Alto is very good - better than the Naxos I think. The slow movement is very fine and darkly moving. Here it is played with appropriate gravitas, whereas the Naxos sounds rushed and rather light-weight to me. My other favourites are symphonies 1 and 4 and the magnificent Cello Concerto 2 (especially in the Daniel Safran/Kabalevsky recording).

Shafran didn't receive exposure in the West that Rostropovich enjoyed. His recording of the Kabalevsky 2nd CC is legendary and I very much doubt will be bettered. With my Melodiya LP it is coupled with Kabalevsky's violin concerto played by Victor Pikaizen.

I am very fond of a recording of Alexei Skavronsky playing piano works: Sonatina Op.13 No.1, Three Preludes from Op.38, Rondo Op.59 and Piano Sonata No.3. I have a weakness for piano pieces for or about children. Kabalevsky wrote much music for children's schools and the three movement Sonatina is such a piece with its vivid imagery. The most important work on the disc is the sonata, Kabalevsky said this about it "The sonata lacks a concrete programme, yet two themes, two major images: youth and war, prevail here. The collision of these themes and the final triumph of youth sums up the plot of the work."

(https://i.imgur.com/EKqskxV.jpg)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on October 15, 2018, 04:03:11 AM
Quote from: Irons on October 14, 2018, 01:46:44 AM
Shafran didn't receive exposure in the West that Rostropovich enjoyed. His recording of the Kabalevsky 2nd CC is legendary and I very much doubt will be bettered. With my Melodiya LP it is coupled with Kabalevsky's violin concerto played by Victor Pikaizen.

I am very fond of a recording of Alexei Skavronsky playing piano works: Sonatina Op.13 No.1, Three Preludes from Op.38, Rondo Op.59 and Piano Sonata No.3. I have a weakness for piano pieces for or about children. Kabalevsky wrote much music for children's schools and the three movement Sonatina is such a piece with its vivid imagery. The most important work on the disc is the sonata, Kabalevsky said this about it "The sonata lacks a concrete programme, yet two themes, two major images: youth and war, prevail here. The collision of these themes and the final triumph of youth sums up the plot of the work."

(https://i.imgur.com/EKqskxV.jpg)
Very interesting I must look out for those works. The Daniel Shafran/Kabalevsky recording of the Cello Concerto 2 is (or was) available on a CD entitled 'Russian Soul'. I originally came across this wonderful performance on a Melodiya LP as well.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 16, 2018, 06:00:58 PM
As it happens with Prokofiev's Piano concertos, I don't get the Kabalevsky's, at least that impression has remained on me since then, but I don't give up! I'll try them in due course once more. And I definitely agree with you, Jeffrey, about the 2nd Cello Concerto: a tremendous and moving piece, one of my favorites for sure.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 16, 2018, 06:09:38 PM
As for the Piano Sonatas, this relatively new release is a thrilling tour de force:

(https://d27t0qkxhe4r68.cloudfront.net/t_900/761203516322.jpg?1519810628)

Kabalevsky has been overshadowed chiefly by his compatriots Shostakovich and Prokofiev, but I think Kabalevsky deserves a similar attention.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on October 17, 2018, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on October 16, 2018, 06:09:38 PM
As for the Piano Sonatas, this relatively new release is a thrilling tour de force:

(https://d27t0qkxhe4r68.cloudfront.net/t_900/761203516322.jpg?1519810628)

Kabalevsky has been overshadowed chiefly by his compatriots Shostakovich and Prokofiev, but I think Kabalevsky deserves a similar attention.

Great cover art too!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 04, 2019, 11:13:15 PM
Interesting looking new release. I hope that they go on to record the much underrated (IMO) Symphony 4 as well:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: SymphonicAddict on June 05, 2019, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 04, 2019, 11:13:15 PM
Interesting looking new release. I hope that they go on to record the much underrated (IMO) Symphony 4 as well:
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Very nice! A good alternative to the stunning cpo recordings. The couple of overtures as fillers are exciting and tuneful. The Pathetique Overture has an unmistakable memorable melody.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Maestro267 on June 07, 2019, 08:56:17 AM
They usually tend to do complete cycles nowadays, so I won't be surprised if Nos. 3 and 4 show up at some point down the line.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 07, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: Maestro267 on June 07, 2019, 08:56:17 AM
They usually tend to do complete cycles nowadays, so I won't be surprised if Nos. 3 and 4 show up at some point down the line.

Hope so! I also hope they do Khachaturian Symphony 1 as well.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 15, 2019, 02:11:19 AM
I'd forgotten how good Symphony 1 is - clearly showing the influence of his teacher, Miaskovsky.
This is a very nice recording and performance:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roy Bland on June 18, 2019, 04:17:33 AM
A modern Piano version of his wonderful score for Areograd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzNP64jYz0
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on June 18, 2019, 05:52:42 AM
I was about to post this on the Shafran thread, which is of course nothing to do with him. Vectomov with Palenicek recorded for Supraphon the Kabalevsky Cello Sonata.

(https://images.recordsale.de/600/600/benjaminbritten.dmitrykabalevsky-sonataincsonatainbflat.jpg)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 18, 2019, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: Irons on June 18, 2019, 05:52:42 AM
I was about to post this on the Shafran thread, which is of course nothing to do with him. Vectomov with Palenicek recorded for Supraphon the Kabalevsky Cello Sonata.

(https://images.recordsale.de/600/600/benjaminbritten.dmitrykabalevsky-sonataincsonatainbflat.jpg)

Great cover art!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: JBS on June 18, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 18, 2019, 10:08:29 AM
Great cover art!

It's a Braque
(https://cdn.xsd.cz/resize/028d33bc7bce37ca9d20bbf4d9b0d9d9_resize=2048,1239_.jpg)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 18, 2019, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: JBS on June 18, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
It's a Braque
(https://cdn.xsd.cz/resize/028d33bc7bce37ca9d20bbf4d9b0d9d9_resize=2048,1239_.jpg)

Ah, so that's why -thanks.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on July 25, 2019, 06:55:41 PM
Recently discovered two wonderful works by Kabalevsky from two high-quality new recordings:

String Quartet no. 1:

[asin]B073LF8C7R[/asin]

A tuneful, folksy work filled with great energy and color. This is bound to become one of my new favorites in the string quartet genre!


Symphony no. 2:

[asin]B07QN8PWF6[/asin]

In this eloquent work, Kabalevsky shows himself to be quite musically independent of his compatriots Prokofiev and Shostakovich. It lacks the sharp-edged irony of his contemporaries and instead is full of warm lyricism and good humor. The slow movement reaches considerable depths of emotion and is quite moving, and the finale is thrillingly energetic with echoes of his Colas Breugnon Overture. An immensely enjoyable work!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on July 25, 2019, 10:29:25 PM
Quote from: kyjo on July 25, 2019, 06:55:41 PM
Recently discovered two wonderful works by Kabalevsky from two high-quality new recordings:

String Quartet no. 1:

[asin]B073LF8C7R[/asin]

A tuneful, folksy work filled with great energy and color. This is bound to become one of my new favorites in the string quartet genre!


Symphony no. 2:

[asin]B07QN8PWF6[/asin]

In this eloquent work, Kabalevsky shows himself to be quite musically independent of his compatriots Prokofiev and Shostakovich. It lacks the sharp-edged irony of his contemporaries and instead is full of warm lyricism and good humor. The slow movement reaches considerable depths of emotion and is quite moving, and the finale is thrillingly energetic with echoes of his Colas Breugnon Overture. An immensely enjoyable work!
Both fine discs Kyle. Actually I prefer Symphony No.1, with its influence of K's teacher Miaskovsky, than the better known No.2 (which I also enjoy). I hope those forces go on to record the epic, underrated Symphony No.4.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on January 08, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
From WAYLTN thread. Playing this through twice and had forgotten what a great recording this is (Symphony No.4):
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Maestro267 on January 08, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
Looking forward to whenever Naxos release Nos. 3 & 4. They're bound to, right? They can't give us half the cycle without the other half...
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roy Bland on January 08, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 08, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
From WAYLTN thread. Playing this through twice and had forgotten what a great recording this is (Symphony No.4):
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I agree partly.Surely first recording of Third Symphony was an improvement ,but the n°4 recording with the Leningrad Symphony conducted by composer was far superior.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Symphonic Addict on January 08, 2020, 05:20:09 PM
I enjoy all the symphonies. Don't have a favorite right now, but I do know they all are great, moving, dramatic and fun. Just my cup of tea!!   :P
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on January 08, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: Maestro267 on January 08, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
Looking forward to whenever Naxos release Nos. 3 & 4. They're bound to, right? They can't give us half the cycle without the other half...

I don't know. I really hope so but you can't be sure.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on January 08, 2020, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: Roy Bland on January 08, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
I agree partly.Surely first recording of Third Symphony was an improvement ,but the n°4 recording with the Leningrad Symphony conducted by composer was far superior.

That is a great, urgent, performance I agree but the recording of the CPO version allows so much more orchestral detail to be heard - especially that marvellously doom-laden pounding climax of the first movement (my favourite section). I'm pleased to have both recordings and agree that Kabalevsky was a fine conductor of his own music.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on January 08, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 08, 2020, 05:20:09 PM
I enjoy all the symphonies. Don't have a favorite right now, but I do know they all are great, moving, dramatic and fun. Just my cup of tea!!   :P
Good to hear Cesar! I hardly know No.3 but like all the others. I think that my order of preference is 4,1,2 and 3 (which I need to hear again).
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Symphonic Addict on January 10, 2020, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 08, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
Good to hear Cesar! I hardly know No.3 but like all the others. I think that my order of preference is 4,1,2 and 3 (which I need to hear again).

Despite its short length, the No. 3 turns out to be a condensed work with significant drama. The choral part is a kind of plus. My order would be 4, 2, 1 and 3.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on January 10, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 10, 2020, 09:28:56 AM
Despite its short length, the No. 3 turns out to be a condensed work with significant drama. The choral part is a kind of plus. My order would be 4, 2, 1 and 3.
Interesting Cesar. We agree on out first choice. Listening to No.3 is a priority for me.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on June 15, 2020, 01:25:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lmOA33k.jpg)

A varied cross-section of Kabalevsky - a good starter pack. :) A close contest of the work I enjoyed most between 3rd PC with an unusual middle movement using pizzicato strings to great effect and the excellent tone poem "Spring" a lovely work that just edged top spot for me. As the piano concerto the one for violin was written for young people and again excellent but not quite as original as the 3rd PC but still with great merit. The Overture Pathétique was the one dud I thought, with too much bluster and typical of countless works of its time and country of origin. Cello concerto next up.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 15, 2020, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Irons on June 15, 2020, 01:25:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lmOA33k.jpg)

A varied cross-section of Kabalevsky - a good starter pack. :) A close contest of the work I enjoyed most between 3rd PC with an unusual middle movement using pizzicato strings to great effect and the excellent tone poem "Spring" a lovely work that just edged top spot for me. As the piano concerto the one for violin was written for young people and again excellent but not quite as original as the 3rd PC but still with great merit. The Overture Pathétique was the one dud I thought, with too much bluster and typical of countless works of its time and country of origin. Cello concerto next up.
Interesting Lol. The Cello Concerto No.2 is arguably his masterpiece.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roy Bland on June 15, 2020, 03:33:19 PM
IMHO a very good conductor
https://operawire.com/obituary-belarusian-conductor-and-arranger-walter-mnatsakanov/
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Mirror Image on June 15, 2020, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: Irons on June 15, 2020, 01:25:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lmOA33k.jpg)

A varied cross-section of Kabalevsky - a good starter pack. :) A close contest of the work I enjoyed most between 3rd PC with an unusual middle movement using pizzicato strings to great effect and the excellent tone poem "Spring" a lovely work that just edged top spot for me. As the piano concerto the one for violin was written for young people and again excellent but not quite as original as the 3rd PC but still with great merit. The Overture Pathétique was the one dud I thought, with too much bluster and typical of countless works of its time and country of origin. Cello concerto next up.

I wonder if this LP has ever been released on CD?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: dhibbard on June 15, 2020, 06:15:49 PM
I studied piano professionally and at the University years ago and was introduced to his piano works.   
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: 71 dB on June 16, 2020, 01:12:10 AM
Quote from: dhibbard on June 15, 2020, 06:15:49 PM
I studied piano professionally and at the University years ago and was introduced to his piano works.

Talking about piano works, I thought I had nothing from this composer in my collection, but actually I have something: His transcription of J. S. Bach's Toccata and Fuque in D minor, BWV 538 on a Naxos disc played by Risto Lauriala.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 16, 2020, 01:35:57 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on June 16, 2020, 01:12:10 AM
Talking about piano works, I thought I had nothing from this composer in my collection, but actually I have something: His transcription of J. S. Bach's Toccata and Fuque in D minor, BWV 538 on a Naxos disc played by Risto Lauriala.
Interesting. I think that I need to investigate his piano sonatas, having tracked back through this thread and read the positive comments. Still feel sad that cilgwyn disappeared  :(
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 16, 2020, 01:36:52 AM
Quote from: dhibbard on June 15, 2020, 06:15:49 PM
I studied piano professionally and at the University years ago and was introduced to his piano works.
Did you like them and what were they like to play?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 16, 2020, 01:37:17 AM
Quote from: Roy Bland on June 18, 2019, 04:17:33 AM
A modern Piano version of his wonderful score for Areograd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzNP64jYz0
That was fun!  :)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: 71 dB on June 16, 2020, 02:38:33 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 16, 2020, 01:35:57 AM
Interesting. I think that I need to investigate his piano sonatas, having tracked back through this thread and read the positive comments. Still feel sad that cilgwyn disappeared  :(

Well, I have hardly gotten into Scriabin's Piano Sonatas (I managed to get the Varduhi Yeritsyan set but need to listen to it more) and I don't think I have ever heard Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas which I assume I could enjoy since I like his Piano Concertos. I have so much to explore with the "big names." I'm afraid Kabalevsky's Solo Piano Music has to wait for now...  ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on June 16, 2020, 06:33:08 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 15, 2020, 03:43:30 PM
I wonder if this LP has ever been released on CD?

Seems it has not. https://www.discogs.com/Dmitry-Kabalevsky-Piano-Concerto-No-3Overtue-PathetiqueViolin-ConcertoSpring-Symphonic-Poem/release/6357895

Knowing of your love of Debussy if you haven't already give "Spring" a listen. I think you will like it, maybe.

Edit: https://youtu.be/cymufhoxaf0
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on June 16, 2020, 08:48:46 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on June 16, 2020, 02:38:33 AM
Well, I have hardly gotten into Scriabin's Piano Sonatas (I managed to get the Varduhi Yeritsyan set but need to listen to it more) and I don't think I have ever heard Prokofiev's Piano Sonatas which I assume I could enjoy since I like his Piano Concertos. I have so much to explore with the "big names." I'm afraid Kabalevsky's Solo Piano Music has to wait for now...  ;D
Well 71 dB, I'm sure he will be prepared to wait for you.
;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: 71 dB on June 16, 2020, 09:33:32 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 16, 2020, 08:48:46 AM
Well 71 dB, I'm sure he will be prepared to wait for you.
;D

Also, it's the Summer! The weather is good! When the winter comes I am more interested of staying home listening to music...  :P
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on February 10, 2021, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on June 16, 2020, 09:33:32 AM
Also, it's the Summer! The weather is good! When the winter comes I am more interested of staying home listening to music...  :P
Well, it certainly is Winter (in every sense) now and I'm listening to Kabalevsky again!  ;D
Piano Concerto No. 1 (Regis, with the wonderfully named 'Russian Cinematographic Symphony Orchestra' conducted by Walter Mnatsakanov with Anatoly Sheludiakov as the soloist). This inspiriting work never fails to cheer me up, although the slow movement has considerable depth. Tracking back through all the posts in this thread left me with a sense of sadness that so many of the early posts were from people who are no longer on the Forum. I've been listening to Kabalevsky over the last couple of days and agree with Roy Bland that Kabalevsky's own Leningrad performance of Symphony No.4 is superior to the recent CPO one (good as that is). I wouldn't be without either as the much more recent CPO recording allows so much more detail to be heard:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roy Bland on July 11, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Another n°2
(https://forgottenrecords.com/data/covers/glazounov-kabalevski-rachmilovich-front.jpg)
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on July 12, 2021, 01:49:37 AM
Quote from: Roy Bland on July 11, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Another n°2
(https://forgottenrecords.com/data/covers/glazounov-kabalevski-rachmilovich-front.jpg)
I have an interesting CD of Rachmilovich conducting Gliere's 3rd Symphony (abridged) with Kabalevsky 2nd Symphony (presumably the same performance as above):
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on July 12, 2021, 06:55:13 AM
Kabalevsky's Cello Sonata is, IMO, one of his greatest works (I'd wager to say his very greatest) as well as one of the great cello sonatas of the repertoire. It possesses a similar depth of feeling to the 2nd Cello Concerto, and I may consider it even greater than that work! It is very virtuosically written for both cello and piano, full of superb themes, and has a compelling emotional trajectory and epic sweep. The second movement is a ghostly waltz with a particularly haunting main theme, and the third movement is a thrilling moto perpetuo that builds to a shattering climax before subsiding back into the gloom of the opening. Fortunately, the work has been gaining some currency lately due to Steven Isserlis' advocacy of it.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on July 12, 2021, 07:23:11 AM
Quote from: kyjo on July 12, 2021, 06:55:13 AM
Kabalevsky's Cello Sonata is, IMO, one of his greatest works (I'd wager to say his very greatest) as well as one of the great cello sonatas of the repertoire. It possesses a similar depth of feeling to the 2nd Cello Concerto, and I may consider it even greater than that work! It is very virtuosically written for both cello and piano, full of superb themes, and has a compelling emotional trajectory and epic sweep. The second movement is a ghostly waltz with a particularly haunting main theme, and the third movement is a thrilling moto perpetuo that builds to a shattering climax before subsiding back into the gloom of the opening. Fortunately, the work has been gaining some currency lately due to Steven Isserlis' advocacy of it.

I very much agree. A work that goes against the perceived perception of Kabalevsky. I would like to believe the Supraphon LP below has made it on the CD format but probably not, sadly.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on July 12, 2021, 08:00:18 AM
I agree on the importance of this work. This CD has given me much pleasure:
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 12, 2021, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 12, 2021, 08:00:18 AM
I agree on the importance of this work. This CD has given me much pleasure:
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Very cool name of the cellist, btw.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on July 12, 2021, 10:09:54 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 12, 2021, 08:00:18 AM
I agree on the importance of this work. This CD has given me much pleasure:
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I'm not surprised, Jeffrey! The Miaskovsky 2nd Cello Sonata is one of his most beautiful compositions. A self-recommending CD.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Mirror Image on July 12, 2021, 10:15:46 AM
The best performance of the Cello Sonata that I've heard is from this marvelous recording:

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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: J on July 12, 2021, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 12, 2021, 10:15:46 AM
The best performance of the Cello Sonata that I've heard is from this marvelous recording:

(https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/jpegs/150dpi/034571282398.png)

My own favorite is played by Tim Hugh, the 1st movement of which can be sampled here:

   http://youtu.be/ylFCdGyjfwU
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roasted Swan on July 12, 2021, 01:14:30 PM
I am in no position to say better or best regarding the Cello Sonata - but this is the performance that I first heard and it won me over completely;

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goodness me these folk can play - great couplings too.....
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Mirror Image on July 12, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 12, 2021, 01:14:30 PM
I am in no position to say better or best regarding the Cello Sonata - but this is the performance that I first heard and it won me over completely;

(https://img.discogs.com/LKauMJ0PKUD7tIoE-S9wyNUcuO0=/fit-in/500x439/filters:strip_icc():format(webp):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-13595857-1557181121-1538.jpeg.jpg)

goodness me these folk can play - great couplings too.....

Strange, I can't see the image.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Irons on July 12, 2021, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 12, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Strange, I can't see the image.

I can.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roasted Swan on July 13, 2021, 06:06:52 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 12, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Strange, I can't see the image.

Its the cellist Jelena Ocic on Channel Classics coupling Kabalevsky and Ginastera cello sonatas - very fine disc indeed......
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Mirror Image on July 13, 2021, 06:48:55 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 13, 2021, 06:06:52 AM
Its the cellist Jelena Ocic on Channel Classics coupling Kabalevsky and Ginastera cello sonatas - very fine disc indeed......

Thanks!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on July 13, 2021, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 12, 2021, 01:14:30 PM
I am in no position to say better or best regarding the Cello Sonata - but this is the performance that I first heard and it won me over completely;

(https://img.discogs.com/LKauMJ0PKUD7tIoE-S9wyNUcuO0=/fit-in/500x439/filters:strip_icc():format(webp):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-13595857-1557181121-1538.jpeg.jpg)

goodness me these folk can play - great couplings too.....

I wasn't aware of this recording - thanks RS. What a great pairing of works - don't know the Senderovas though.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roasted Swan on July 13, 2021, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: kyjo on July 13, 2021, 10:06:18 AM
I wasn't aware of this recording - thanks RS. What a great pairing of works - don't know the Senderovas though.

Genuinely its the only version of the Kabalevsky I know so if someone were to say "X or Y" is on a different level of performance I would accept that completely.  But to my innocent ear this sounds like a cracking performance and certainly one that convinced me of the high quality of the work.  And as you say the coupling(s) are interesting and powerful too....
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Symphonic Addict on February 21, 2022, 05:05:55 PM
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This is one of those moments where I just don't recall why I was forgotting the masterpiece of his Violin Concerto. My goodness, it's a real stunner, and just lasting 16 minutes long. Each movement contains their spark and charm, and wonderful tunes. What a rediscovery!
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on February 21, 2022, 07:43:47 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 21, 2022, 05:05:55 PM
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This is one of those moments where I just don't recall why I was forgotting the masterpiece of his Violin Concerto. My goodness, it's a real stunner, and just lasting 16 minutes long. Each movement contains their spark and charm, and wonderful tunes. What a rediscovery!

Yep, an effortlessly charming work! In fact, I can't name a single work by Kabalevsky which I don't enjoy immensely. A remarkably consistent composer in my view.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on February 21, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 21, 2022, 05:05:55 PM
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This is one of those moments where I just don't recall why I was forgotting the masterpiece of his Violin Concerto. My goodness, it's a real stunner, and just lasting 16 minutes long. Each movement contains their spark and charm, and wonderful tunes. What a rediscovery!
Oh, I must listen to the VC again - I tend to listen to Cello Concerto No,2 on that CD which I consider to be, arguably, his greatest work. Thanks to you and Kyle for reminding me of the Violin Concerto.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on February 22, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 21, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
Oh, I must listen to the VC again - I tend to listen to Cello Concerto No,2 on that CD which I consider to be, arguably, his greatest work. Thanks to you and Kyle for reminding me of the Violin Concerto.

You'll probably find that the VC lacks a sense of impending catastrophic doom, Jeffrey! :laugh:
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on February 22, 2022, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: kyjo on February 22, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
You'll probably find that the VC lacks a sense of impending catastrophic doom, Jeffrey! :laugh:
Yes, it's probably too perky and upbeat for me Kyle  ;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roasted Swan on February 23, 2022, 04:12:56 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 22, 2022, 10:15:50 PM
Yes, it's probably too perky and upbeat for me Kyle  ;D

Just play it at half-speed - that'll make most things sound catastrophic.........
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on February 23, 2022, 04:50:59 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on February 23, 2022, 04:12:56 AM
Just play it at half-speed - that'll make most things sound catastrophic.........

Brilliant suggestion!
;D
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 10, 2022, 12:46:06 PM
Just playing this fine, doom-laden, defiant, optimistic work again (Symphony No.4 Leningrad PO/Kabalevsky) - tracking back through this thread I realise how much I miss the contributions of Colin and cilgwyn. Never mind - there is plenty still to appreciate here. I love the return of the doom-laden motto theme from the first movement just before the perky end of the symphony.
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Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: kyjo on August 10, 2022, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 10, 2022, 12:46:06 PM
Just playing this fine, doom-laden, defiant, optimistic work again (Symphony No.4 Leningrad PO/Kabalevsky) - tracking back through this thread I realise how much I miss the contributions of Colin and cilgwyn. Never mind - there is plenty still to appreciate here. I love the return of the doom-laden motto theme from the first movement just before the perky end of the symphony.
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Count me in as another admirer of this great symphony (and as another member who misses Colin's and cilgwyn's contributions)! The doom-laden coda of the first movement is simply unforgettable - one of the many highlights of a stirring work. How does that Olympia recording compare to the one on CPO (the only one I've heard)?
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: vandermolen on August 11, 2022, 02:35:38 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 10, 2022, 03:27:25 PM
Count me in as another admirer of this great symphony (and as another member who misses Colin's and cilgwyn's contributions)! The doom-laden coda of the first movement is simply unforgettable - one of the many highlights of a stirring work. How does that Olympia recording compare to the one on CPO (the only one I've heard)?
Hi Kyle,
In my opinion Kabalevsky's own recording (Olympia) has greater urgency and depth of feeling but the CPO version is the better recording and is also fine. I'm glad to own both recordings. The Olympias are now prohibitively expensive but Kabalevsky's own recording was also issued on a cheaper label. As a cellist I wonder what you think of the 2nd Cello Concerto.
Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roy Bland on November 23, 2022, 05:34:32 PM
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December 6 in the Small Philharmonic Hall as part of the St. Petersburg Music Festival. S.K. Gorkovenko, which is held with the support of the Committee for Culture of St. Petersburg, will host a concert "The Governor's Symphony - for Children." The compositions of the Soviet classic Dmitry Kabalevsky, together with the St. Petersburg Governor's Symphony Orchestra, will be performed by students of the famous ten-year music school in St. Petersburg.

The concert "The Governor's Symphony for Children" is dedicated to the work of the outstanding Russian composer Dmitry Kabalevsky, whose works over the past decades have been in the shadow of other Soviet classics and sound undeservedly rare. During his lifetime, Kabalevsky firmly established the reputation of a youth composer. He created dozens of works for the youngest listeners and performers, and all these scores are filled with the highest professionalism and deep ideas.

On December 6, the festival program will feature a triptych of instrumental concerts dedicated to the Soviet youth by the composer. The soloists will be talented young musicians - students of the Secondary Special Music School of the St. Petersburg Conservatory. N. A. Rimsky-Korsakov: Rodion Faruleev (cello), Anastasia Gorodnina (violin) and Daria Myachina (piano).

An additional emphasis is Fantasy for piano and orchestra on the theme of fantasy by F. Schubert, created by Kabalevsky based on the immortal composition of the Austrian classic in 1962. The premiere took place a year later in Italy, performed by Emil Gilels, but in Russia this work of rare and wondrous beauty is still unknown. Soloist - laureate of international competitions, teacher of the St. Petersburg Conservatory named after N. A. Rimsky-Korsakov Anna Shakina.

Title: Re: Dmitri Kabalevsky (1904-1987)
Post by: Roy Bland on October 02, 2023, 06:56:47 PM
A movie on him
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