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Title: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 31, 2007, 05:21:11 PM

I think it's wise to expand the concept of this thread to include a discussion of all of the performances/recordings of Richter. Therefore, I have changed the title and hope that others will post their ideas/questions/impressions of this incredible performer.


To start with, I have a few questions about "Richter in the 1950s" on Parnassus:

Anyone have any of the 5 volumes from this series?

How's the sound?

How do they compare to other recordings of these works by Richter?

:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 31, 2007, 07:22:14 PM
George,

If you decide to pick up one of these Parnassus volumes be prepared for quite primitive sound. Not because anything is pirated but because the source material unfortunately has its limitations.

As far as comparisons it's been ages since I last heard a Parnassus issue so I really couldn't say. Although I don't recall being put off by anything performance-wise.

What I can say for certain is that they've generally gotten good press. But that's about the extent of my knowledge on Parnassus...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 31, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: donwyn on August 31, 2007, 07:22:14 PM
George,

If you decide to pick up one of these Parnassus volumes be prepared for quite primitive sound. Not because anything is pirated but because the source material unfortunately has its limitations.

As far as comparisons it's been ages since I last heard a Parnassus issue so I really couldn't say. Although I don't recall being put off by anything performance-wise.

Thanks Don.  :)

But you weren't wowed, performance-wise either, right?

I know I am not, from the amazon samples.

Quote
What I can say for certain is that they've generally gotten good press. But that's about the extent of my knowledge on Parnassus...

Yes, from what I have read, these are INTENSE readings, but suffer from poor sound that has little in the way of dynamic range. They cost full price ($30) for each 2CD set, so I hope to get some more info.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 31, 2007, 07:28:28 PM
The Fanfare Review:

Older readers may remember the shock of discovery when the first of Sviatoslav Richter's discs made their way to the West. Since his first US tour in 1960, of course, he has been a fixture in the American musical imagination (although not in our concert halls), and we have been able to sample a far wider selection of his art in vastly better sound than that afforded by those early LPs. Still, as Richard Taruskin reminded us in an eloquent appreciation (13:3, p. 244), the Richter of the 1950s and early 1960s was a substantially more febrile artist than the "courtly, white-mustnchioed elder statesman" he has become--snd it is therefore not just nostalgia that gives his early recordings their magnetic chraracter. BMG's ten-disc celebration, reviewed in detail by Leslie Gerber in 19:3, resurrected a significant number of scorching early studio recordings. The five discs under review, although they retrace much of the some repertoire, document live performances, sometimes a bit sloppier than the studio versions, but often fueled by an even more impetuos spirit and reaching an even higher emotional temperature.

This is especially evident in the stunning, four-disc salvo from Gerber's own Parnassus Records, which brings us five hours of new recordings, in surprisingly serviceable sound, that have apparently never been released before. The contents consist largely of early-Richter staples-but the high-contrast peformances are, without exception, knockouts. All of Richter's interpretations demonstrate a staggering diversity of touch (note how his hard-bitten account of Rachmaninov's op.32/7 melts away at the end) and an almost unerring rhythmic control, both of small gestures and of larger paragraphs--note, for instance, how the Chopin Etude, op. lO/I, explodes forth as a single utterance. But what marks Richter's early virtuoso efforts in particular is the way these qualities combine to grip you, rather than persuade you. There are other Richter performances that are more lighthearted (for instance, his four-hand Mozart with Britten; see 16:1); there are others, like his early 80s Tokyo Prokofiev (17;3), that offer more density of detail; and there -are certainly others (most notably his contoversial Schubert Bb, 6:4; see Michael Ullman's dissent in 14:4) that convey deeper philosophical insights. But his early performances have a demonic intensity that was often tempered in his later years; and these four discs offer ample opportunity to experience, undiluted, the aural adrenaline rush that Taruskin described.

Certainly, no one else manages to steer through the Schumann Toccata with such brio, largely because no one else, not even Horowitz, manages to shape the music's syncopations so that the textures never clot. In part because of a quicker tcmpo, but also in part because of a greater sense of abandon, this fierce account of the finale of the Prokofiev Seventh is even mord overwhelming than his famous studio version. And despite moments of apparent brusqueness (patience is not in high supply on these discs), this 1953 dash through Pictures is so impulsive as to make his classic Sofia account seem almost blasé.

I don't mean to suggest that these are relentlessly steely readings in the manner of Simon Barere. Richter has an astonishing capacity for elegance. too (try the sixth of the Prokofiev Visions) and his Rachmaninov, like the first movement of his Scriabin Second, can be extremely lush: try, for instance, the superb weighting of the cadences on op. 23/4. But when, for instance, he heightens the contrast of the first movement of the Tchaikovsky Sonata by sweetening up the second theme, he manages to do so without dissipating the sense of urgency--transforming, by sheer willpower, the music's redundancy into propulsion. There are claws beneath the velvet passages in this chipper Tchaikovsky Concerto as well; and although his Scriabin Sixth and his Schumann Humoresque both manifest a remarkable sympathy for the music's mercurial swings, there is an underlying edge to both works that is apt to keep you off balance. Given the extent to which the Parnassus repertoire duplicates that of recordings already in the catalog (more or less contemporaneous performances with a similar interpretive slant and superior sound), I will resist the temptation to promote these discs as the best introduction to Richter's art of the 1950s: but Richter aficionados should find them an invaluable supplement to their collections. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 31, 2007, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: George on August 31, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
Thanks Don.  :)

But you weren't wowed, performance-wise either, right?

That's true...

Speaking for myself I can't say as I heard anything in them that wowed me enough to warrant duplicating the repertoire. Which I surely would have done had I been smitten by something.

I already owned enough of the material in competing editions (though not the exact same performances, obviously) so I simply couldn't bring myself to plunk down good money just to get more Richter. Sadly, I do have to watch the bottom line. :P

For something extraordinary it might have been a different story, however... ;)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 01, 2007, 04:52:24 AM
Quote from: donwyn on August 31, 2007, 07:52:29 PM
That's true...

Speaking for myself I can't say as I heard anything in them that wowed me enough to warrant duplicating the repertoire. Which I surely would have done had I been smitten by something.

I already owned enough of the material in competing editions (though not the exact same performances, obviously) so I simply couldn't bring myself to plunk down good money just to get more Richter. Sadly, I do have to watch the bottom line. :P

For something extraordinary it might have been a different story, however... ;)

Thanks for the clarification.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 01, 2007, 06:45:16 AM
I think some of these recordings are very special. I haven't herad the latest volume and I didn't bother with the all- (or nearly all) Liszt one, but the one with mixed Rach preludes (or etudes? I remember it contained my favourite 23/5) is awesome, as are the Scriabin 6 and Schumann Humoreske. Don't expect great sound but the playing which comes through is dazzling "early" Richter.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 01, 2007, 08:17:32 PM
I think it's wise to expand the concept of this thread to include a discussion of all of the performances/recordings of Richter. Therefore, I have changed the title and hope that others will post their ideas/questions/impressions of this incredible performer. 

Just found this site (http://richter%20in%20the%201950s%20on%20parnassus) that lists some essential Richter CDs. I agree with all of the ones that I have heard from the list.

In your opinion, which performances of his are essential?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on September 01, 2007, 09:16:29 PM
I'm just getting interested in Richter myself, so this should be an informative thread. As for me, I think his Debussy and Ravel are especially incredible.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 01, 2007, 09:46:56 PM
Here's some interesting news:

Parnassus has made available as a CDR the much talked about "Richter in Leipzig" recital. (http://www.parnassusrecords.com/richtercatalog.htm) Originally a Music & Arts release.

QuotePCCD 20250 Beethoven: Sonatas #30-32; works of Brahms (3) & Chopin. RICHTER ("Richter in Leipzig", Nov. 28, 1963). Audible flutter in Sonata #30. From suppressed Music & Arts disc $15


It's listed fourth up from the bottom of the page...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on September 01, 2007, 11:36:09 PM
..and is an incredible concert despite the poor sound in Op 109. Well worth picking when you consider that the original Cd from M&A is being offered for $999 on Ebay
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 02, 2007, 04:44:50 AM
Quote from: donwyn on September 01, 2007, 09:46:56 PM
Here's some interesting news:

Parnassus has made available as a CDR the much talked about "Richter in Leipzig" recital. (http://www.parnassusrecords.com/richtercatalog.htm) Originally a Music & Arts release.

It's listed fourth up from the bottom of the page...




VERY good news, Don! Thanks for the info. I will call them on Tuesday about that one.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 09, 2007, 05:27:53 AM
Just discovered this link to early Richter recordings, 1948-1951:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/ (http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/)

Anyone have these? There are a few samples for each CD.

The company will soon release Vol 5.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on September 09, 2007, 05:57:24 AM
Do you have this transfer and or recording my friend?

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JK9DQT42L._AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 09, 2007, 06:00:26 AM
Quote from: Bogey on September 09, 2007, 05:57:24 AM
Do you have this transfer and or recording my friend?

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JK9DQT42L._AA240_.jpg)

What's the date and the catalog number (on the spine)?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 09, 2007, 06:17:32 AM
Quote from: Bogey on September 09, 2007, 05:57:24 AM
Do you have this transfer and or recording my friend?

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JK9DQT42L._AA240_.jpg)

Actually I do have that one, only the earlier, OOP release on Philips.  8)

I believe that your transfer is incorrectly marked as 1988, when it was done in June 17, 1986 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam. 

This is a live recording that we are talking about, right? 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on September 09, 2007, 06:52:00 AM
Quote from: Holden on September 01, 2007, 11:36:09 PM
..and is an incredible concert despite the poor sound in Op 109. Well worth picking when you consider that the original Cd from M&A is being offered for $999 on Ebay
One of my former coworkers who grew up in Turkey said that when he was young Richter recordings were a dime a dozen in Turkey. In fact he says they seem to be the only classical recordings in Turkey along with some other Soviet-origin stuff. He couldn't understand how anyone would pay major $$$ for some of the mediocre stuff from RIchter that he has in possession. I told me he should get his Richter stuff appraised and maybe make a small fortune from them.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 09, 2007, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: George on September 09, 2007, 05:27:53 AM
Just discovered this link to early Richter recordings, 1948-1951:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/ (http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/)

Anyone have these? There are a few samples for each CD.

The company will soon release Vol 5.

I didn't bother with these because aside from the Schumann Fantaisie the repertoire, unlike in most of the Parnassus sets, is uninteresting for me. I did hear the Chopin volume online though -- I think from operashare. It was very good--naturally--but it didn't change my opinion of Richter's Chopin.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 09, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
Anyone have the 1986 Diabelli's on Philips by Richter? I believe it's the same performance that was released and mismarked 1988 on Moscow Studio archives.

I ask because I hear a strange high pitched noise (subtle, but it's there) form the 8th track onwards on my copy (the Phillips.)  :-[

Very strange for a supposed DDD recording.  >:(
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on September 09, 2007, 12:14:25 PM
Quote from: George on September 09, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
Anyone have the 1986 Diabelli's on Philips by Richter? I believe it's the same performance that was released and mismarked 1988 on Moscow Studio archives.

I ask because I hear a strange high pitched noise (subtle, but it's there) form the 8th track onwards on my copy (the Phillips.)  :-[

Very strange for a supposed DDD recording.  >:(
Maybe you can ask Tom Deacon on rmcr? ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 09, 2007, 01:09:23 PM
Quote from: edward on September 09, 2007, 12:14:25 PM
Maybe you can ask Tom Deacon on rmcr? ;)

He's actually been a big help to me, when he wants to be.  ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 11, 2007, 07:38:44 AM

Can you tell the difference between Richter and Gavrilov?

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166b4e0c5efb3960d797c1ffb30fb167974 (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166b4e0c5efb3960d797c1ffb30fb167974)

The above 4 tracks have been renamed to disguise their identity.

Listen to them in order and try to guess how many (and which) are Richter and which are Gavrilov.

To be fair, I have included at least one from each pianist.  :)

I will post the results in a few days. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on September 12, 2007, 01:05:22 AM
Quote from: George on September 11, 2007, 07:38:44 AM
Can you tell the difference between Richter and Gavrilov?

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166b4e0c5efb3960d797c1ffb30fb167974 (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166b4e0c5efb3960d797c1ffb30fb167974)

The above 4 tracks have been renamed to disguise their identity.

Listen to them in order and try to guess how many (and which) are Richter and which are Gavrilov.

To be fair, I have included at least one from each pianist.  :)

I will post the results in a few days. 

George, I can't participate as I have the recordings you've uploaded. However, Richter did say that friends did have problems differentiating between them in these recordings
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 12, 2007, 01:21:52 AM
I prefer the story of Richter being duped when the producer(s) (or friends?) switched around the recordings of his and Gavrilov's Prokofiev 8 sonatas.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 12, 2007, 05:21:22 AM
Quote from: Holden on September 12, 2007, 01:05:22 AM
George, I can't participate as I have the recordings you've uploaded. However, Richter did say that friends did have problems differentiating between them in these recordings

He did, but orbital and I can't seem to understand why they had problems differentiating. Their styles are very different.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: orbital on September 12, 2007, 05:46:19 AM
I haven't listened to much Gavrilov, but none of what I heard bore any resemblance to Richter  ::)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 14, 2007, 07:05:50 PM

I would like to begin a discussion about our favorite recordings of Schubert sonatas by Richter.

I understand that he recorded the following sonatas:

D 566
D 575 (Philips, Decca Florence - 1966)
D 625
D 664
D 784
D 840
D 845
D 850
D 894 (Brilliant Classics - Moscow, 1978)
D 958
D 960 (Regis, Olympia - Salzburg, 1972)

I have indicated my favorites in the cases where I have more than one recording and I have a clear preference for a particular performance. I am interested to hear what your favorite performances are as well.

I am also very curious about the fact that Richter chose not to record (and perform?) D 959. It seems strange to me that he would neglect this work.

George
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on September 15, 2007, 12:24:36 AM
In a lot of cases Richter chose not to record a work that he thought someone had played superbly and that he couldn't better. Schnabel's D959 is peerless IMO and no doubt Richter had already heard that. However, whether this is the case or not is open to conjecture.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 05:11:16 AM
Quote from: Holden on September 15, 2007, 12:24:36 AM
In a lot of cases Richter chose not to record a work that he thought someone had played superbly and that he couldn't better.

Yes, I have heard this before. However, I think that since his approach to Schubert was very different than Schnabel's (or really just about anyone's) perhaps there is another reason.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 01:12:29 PM
I don't like Schubert's sonatas very much but I always keep Richter's D958 from Budapest nearby (not near enough to check what year it was recorded in though). There's also a superb D850 on the same disc which I think was released elsewhere.

Same goes for Sofronitsky's D960
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 05:29:46 PM
George,

Have you heard Fiorentino's Schubert on APR?




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on September 15, 2007, 05:36:04 PM
According to MDT, the next three volumes in Richter: The Master come out in October:



Richter - The Master Volume 7


CD 1

Johannes Brahms (1833-1897)

Piano Sonata No.1 in C major, Op.1

1 I Allegro 12:15

2 II Andante 6:33

3 III Scherzo 6:55

4 IV Finale: Allegro con fuoco 7:30

Piano Sonata No.2 in F sharp minor, Op.2

5 I Allegro non troppo, ma energico 6:14

6 II Andante con espressione 5:12

7 III Scherzo: Allegro 3:54

8 IV Finale: Introduzione: Sostenuto - Allegro non troppo e rubato 12:00



CD 2

Johannes Brahms Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35

1 Book 1 13:17

2 Book 2 10:30

3 Ballade in G minor, Op.118 no.3 3:14

4 Rhapsody in E flat, Op.119 no.4 3:49

5 Intermezzo in E minor, Op.116 no.5 3:31

6 Capriccio in C, Op.76 no.8 2:47

Robert Schumann (1810-1856)

7-9 Fantasie in C major, Op.17 32:59



Richter – The Master Volume 8

J. S. Bach (1685 - 1750)

CD 1

1-6 English Suite No.3 in G minor, BWV808

7-12 English Suite No.4 in F major, BWV 809

13-18 English Suite No.6 in D minor, BWV 811



CD 2

1-6 English Suite No.2 in C minor, BWV 813

7-14 English Suite No.6 in E flat major, BWV 815a

15-22 French Suite No.6 in E major, BWV 817

23 Toccata in D minor, BWV 913

24 Toccata in G major, BWV 916

25 Fantasia (and unfinished Fugue) in C minor, BWV 906


Richter – The Master Volume 9



CD 1

J. S. Bach (1685-1750)

1-3 Italian Concerto in F major, BWV971 13:25

4-11 Partita (French Ouverture) in B minor, BWV 831 39:43

12-15 4 Duets, BWV 805 10:40

Recorded Germany 1991


CD 2

Frederic Chopin (1810-1849)

10 Etudes, Op. 10

1-8 Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11 & 12 20:03

10 Etudes, Op. 25

9-14 Nos. 5, 6, 8, 11, 12 & 7 19:27

15 Polonaise No. 1 in C sharp minor, Op. 26 No. 1 9:33

16 Polonaise No. 4 in C minor, Op. 40 No. 2 7:35

Recorded 1988-1991
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 01:12:29 PM
I don't like Schubert's sonatas very much but I always keep Richter's D958 from Budapest nearby (not near enough to check what year it was recorded in though).

That's easy to remember, 1958.  8)

Quote
There's also a superb D850 on the same disc which I think was released elsewhere.

1956

Quote
Same goes for Sofronitsky's D960

Sounds good, I'll keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: edward on September 15, 2007, 05:36:04 PM
According to MDT, the next three volumes in Richter: The Master come out in October:



Richter - The Master Volume 7


CD 1

Johannes Brahms (1833-1897)

Piano Sonata No.1 in C major, Op.1


Piano Sonata No.2 in F sharp minor, Op.2


CD 2

Johannes Brahms Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35



My mouth is watering for this one!  8)

BTW, are these the same as the Brahms Sonatas released on Decca?

Quote
Richter – The Master Volume 8

J. S. Bach (1685 - 1750)

CD 1

1-6 English Suite No.3 in G minor, BWV808

7-12 English Suite No.4 in F major, BWV 809

13-18 English Suite No.6 in D minor, BWV 811



CD 2

1-6 English Suite No.2 in C minor, BWV 813

7-14 English Suite No.6 in E flat major, BWV 815a

15-22 French Suite No.6 in E major, BWV 817

23 Toccata in D minor, BWV 913

24 Toccata in G major, BWV 916

25 Fantasia (and unfinished Fugue) in C minor, BWV 906

Excellent, I haven't heard his Bach in these works before. It will be a treat!  :D

Any idea when these were recorded?

Quote
Richter – The Master Volume 9

CD 1

J. S. Bach (1685-1750)

1-3 Italian Concerto in F major, BWV971 13:25

4-11 Partita (French Ouverture) in B minor, BWV 831 39:43

12-15 4 Duets, BWV 805 10:40

Recorded Germany 1991


CD 2

Frederic Chopin (1810-1849)

10 Etudes, Op. 10

1-8 Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11 & 12 20:03

10 Etudes, Op. 25

9-14 Nos. 5, 6, 8, 11, 12 & 7 19:27

15 Polonaise No. 1 in C sharp minor, Op. 26 No. 1 9:33

16 Polonaise No. 4 in C minor, Op. 40 No. 2 7:35

Recorded 1988-1991

Great, so that just leaves the Liszt works and Chopin Preludes, Baracarolle, Nocturne, Polonaise Fantasie from the "Authorised Recordings" series.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: donwyn on September 15, 2007, 05:29:46 PM
George,

Have you heard Fiorentino's Schubert on APR?

I haven't.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
BTW, are these the same as the Brahms Sonatas released on Decca?

The Decca sonatas are actually from a year or two earlier.




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 07:12:53 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 07:03:54 PM
I haven't.  :-\

Me, neither.

I'd like to change that, though. Looks like BRO has several from that APR Fiorentino edition in stock. Might just pull the trigger...




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:17:02 PM
Quote from: donwyn on September 15, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
The Decca sonatas are actually from a year or two earlier.

That explains why the timings are different.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: donwyn on September 15, 2007, 07:12:53 PM
Me, neither.

I'd like to change that, though. Looks like BRO has several from that APR Fiorentino edition in stock. Might just pull the trigger...

Ooooooo.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:18:09 PM
Quote from: donwyn on September 15, 2007, 07:12:53 PM
I'd like to change that, though. Looks like BRO has several from that APR Fiorentino edition in stock. Might just pull the trigger...


I see they have his Chopin 3 / Schubert D960 for sale. Steve (Molman) considered that a top disc and Herman really likes the Chopin 3. I thought both were excellent, just not top choices for me. I doubt you'd find it anything less than enjoyable though (it isFiorentino after all).

QuoteSounds good, I'll keep an eye out.

It's on Japanese Denon only as far as I know. There's an earlier live recording on a rare Alrecchino CD but I haven't heard it (apparently the sound is awful). I'll happily upload the Sofronitsky. It won't be to everyone's taste but it is my favourite performance and is considered top at RMCR too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:18:09 PM
It's on Japanese Denon only as far as I know. There's an earlier live recording on a rare Alrecchino CD but I haven't heard it (apparently the sound is awful). I'll happily upload the Sofronitsky.

Sounds good! Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:39:23 PM
Just out of curiosity, have you heard his 2 CD set which was released on BMG/Melodya and later on Living Stage? It contains some Schubert.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:39:23 PM
Just out of curiosity, have you heard his 2 CD set which was released on BMG/Melodya and later on Living Stage? It contains some Schubert.

Do you mean Sofronitsky? No, I haven't.

But look what I just ordered:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/72/9d/0f46124128a099718c2d9010._AA240_.L.jpg)

This one has 4 Richter Schubert Sonatas including the 1958 D 958 from Budapest that you've been raving about!

There's one left on amazon from a 99% rated seller if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 07:54:15 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
Great, so that just leaves the Liszt works and Chopin Preludes, Baracarolle, Nocturne, Polonaise Fantasie from the "Authorised Recordings" series.

There is one more teeeensy disc from that edition that isn't one of the volumes per se but which Philips threw in as a feebie for those who sprung for the complete box: a disc of miniatures, including Franck, Liszt, etc...

I wonder if that one is coming down the pipe...



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:55:53 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 07:45:48 PM
Do you mean Sofronitsky? No, I haven't.

But look what I just ordered:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/72/9d/0f46124128a099718c2d9010._AA240_.L.jpg)

This one has 4 Richter Schubert Sonatas including the 1958 D 958 from Budapest that you've been raving about!

There's one left on amazon from a 99% rated seller if anyone is interested.

That's funny. I just checked Amazon and they have the M&A one available for $17.99. Obviously the seller doesn't know the value of it. I tried to buy it but he doesn't ship abroad (lots of US sellers don't :( ) so whoever wants it can grab it.

http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Sonata-C-D/dp/B000001OI7/ref=sr_1_121/002-9611250-0630454?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189914884&sr=1-121
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: donwyn on September 15, 2007, 07:54:15 PM
There is one more teeeensy disc from that edition that isn't one of the volumes per se but which Philips threw in as a feebie for those who sprung for the complete box: a disc of miniatures, including Franck, Liszt, etc...

I wonder if that one is coming down the pipe...





It's so GREAT being a Richter fan, always something to look forward to.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 07:58:42 PM
Quote from: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:55:53 PM
That's funny. I just checked Amazon and they have the M&A one available for $17.99. Obviously the seller doesn't know the value of it. I tried to buy it but he doesn't ship abroad (lots of US sellers don't :( ) so whoever wants it can grab it.

http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Sonata-C-D/dp/B000001OI7/ref=sr_1_121/002-9611250-0630454?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189914884&sr=1-121

Since I am unsure which transfer is better (and Richter's Schubert is my very favorite combination of Pianist/Composer) I snatched it up.  8)

George
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:59:48 PM
good choice. I wanted to buy it as a (future) present for someone. I could have shipped it to a friend in the US but it wasn't that important. Better you have it, then you can flog the other one on Ebay ;)

the M&A release is quite old though. Living Stage may have improved it, I don't know.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 07:59:48 PM
good choice. I wanted to buy it as a (future) present for someone. I could have shipped it to a friend in the US but it wasn't that important. Better you have it, then you can flog the other one on Ebay ;)


Nah, I'm a Richter-Hoarder.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 08:07:10 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 07:56:10 PM
It's so GREAT being a Richter fan, always something to look forward to.  8)

yeah, that's the thing about Richter, he teaches you the famous saying: "Money talks, but mine only knows how to say goodbye". All those recordings of the same repertoire from different venues, different years, and then the bootlegs and radio stuff, if anything it'll end with burn out before the actual recordings end! :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 07:45:48 PM
Do you mean Sofronitsky? No, I haven't.

But look what I just ordered:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/72/9d/0f46124128a099718c2d9010._AA240_.L.jpg)

This one has 4 Richter Schubert Sonatas including the 1958 D 958 from Budapest that you've been raving about!

There's one left on amazon from a 99% rated seller if anyone is interested.

George,

That looks interesting. What label is it? Do you have a link?





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2007, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: donwyn on September 15, 2007, 08:11:51 PM
George,

That looks interesting. What label is it? Do you have a link?







Living Stage. (http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Piano-Sonatas-Huttenbrenner-Variations/dp/B00003O9J3/ref=sr_1_3/103-5638175-0980616?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189916043&sr=8-3)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: sidoze on September 15, 2007, 08:07:10 PM
yeah, that's the thing about Richter, he teaches you the famous saying: "Money talks, but mine only knows how to say goodbye". All those recordings of the same repertoire from different venues, different years, and then the bootlegs and radio stuff, if anything it'll end with burn out before the actual recordings end! :)

Ha! I wonder if the recorded medium could ever keep up with Richter's voracious appetite...? ;D




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 08:14:28 PM
Living Stage. (http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Piano-Sonatas-Huttenbrenner-Variations/dp/B00003O9J3/ref=sr_1_3/103-5638175-0980616?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189916043&sr=8-3)



Much obliged, George!




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 16, 2007, 02:29:47 AM
Sofronitsky's D960 below, ripped @ 256

http://www.mediafire.com/?djbzsmxvxjv
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 16, 2007, 06:23:36 AM
Quote from: sidoze on September 16, 2007, 02:29:47 AM
Sofronitsky's D960 below, ripped @ 256

http://www.mediafire.com/?djbzsmxvxjv

Thanks Tony!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on September 16, 2007, 04:41:06 PM
I'll add to the thanks here. Very different from your typical D960, and I like it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 17, 2007, 05:42:19 AM

The first article about Richter ever published in the USA (http://www.paul-moor.com/)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on September 17, 2007, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: George on September 15, 2007, 08:14:28 PM
Living Stage. (http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Piano-Sonatas-Huttenbrenner-Variations/dp/B00003O9J3/ref=sr_1_3/103-5638175-0980616?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189916043&sr=8-3)


Btw, I have a Living Stage 2CD set including Richter's Moscow '56 D845 and D850 (+ a disc of Schumann) which isn't on Trovar. I wonder what the story is with that.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 17, 2007, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: edward on September 17, 2007, 01:40:06 PM
Btw, I have a Living Stage 2CD set including Richter's Moscow '56 D845 and D850 (+ a disc of Schumann) which isn't on Trovar. I wonder what the story is with that.

Hmmm. Does it have the same performances or at least performances that are listed on Trovar on another label?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on September 17, 2007, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: George on September 17, 2007, 07:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Does it have the same performances or at least performances that are listed on Trovar on another label?
It claims to have 1956 Moscow performances (which exist for both sonatas). I don't know why it's not on the site, though I suppose Living Stage is probably a pirate label and thus not mentioned. Arr, matey!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 17, 2007, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: edward on September 17, 2007, 07:28:52 PM
It claims to have 1956 Moscow performances (which exist for both sonatas). I don't know why it's not on the site, though I suppose Living Stage is probably a pirate label and thus not mentioned. Arr, matey!

;D

Living Stage is mentioned on Trovar for a number of Schubert Sonatas, like 575, 566, 958, 960.

I found a site by Ates TANIN that lists these performances of the works you have:

Piano Sonata No.16 in a, D.845, Op.42

31/10/53 - Moscow - Live - (PT)
16/3/55 - Moscow - Live - (PT)*
19/2/57 - Moscow- Live - (PT)
2/3/57 - Moscow - MELODIYA/BMG 29463 2 (CD)**

Piano Sonata No.17 in D, D.850, Op.53

14/6/56 - Prague - Live - PRAGA PR 254 031 (CD)**
11/8/56 - Moscow - MELODIYA/BMG 29463 2 (CD)**


This Links You to the Site (http://www.doremi.com/sr.html)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on September 17, 2007, 07:51:59 PM
Yeah, I think it's a reasonable assumption that it's a pirate issue of the Melodiya disc.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 17, 2007, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: edward on September 17, 2007, 07:51:59 PM
Yeah, I think it's a reasonable assumption that it's a pirate issue of the Melodiya disc.

Tony suspects that Living Stage is like Urania in that respect. Looks like you guys may be right.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on September 18, 2007, 12:13:26 AM
i've also found commercially released richter recordings that haven't been in the discography
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: rubio on September 28, 2007, 10:11:21 AM
QuoteQuote from: donwyn on September 02, 2007, 03:46:56 PM
Here's some interesting news:

Parnassus has made available as a CDR the much talked about "Richter in Leipzig" recital. Originally a Music & Arts release.

It's listed fourth up from the bottom of the page...





VERY good news, Don! Thanks for the info. I will call them on Tuesday about that one. 

George, did you order the "Richter in Leipzig" recital from Parnassus? This one indeed seems very tempting.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 28, 2007, 10:27:55 AM
Quote from: rubio on September 28, 2007, 10:11:21 AM
George, did you order the "Richter in Leipzig" recital from Parnassus? This one indeed seems very tempting.

I have found another (anonymous) source, as a rule I usually don't buy CD-Rs. I won't get it for awhile, though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 01, 2007, 02:35:06 AM
Think you've got a large Richter collection? Check this out:

http://picasaweb.google.com/vrmlsite/RichterCDs/photo#5115997814893251042 (http://picasaweb.google.com/vrmlsite/RichterCDs/photo#5115997814893251042)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 06, 2007, 06:06:00 AM

Link to a free download of Richter's live performances (http://grandpianopodcast.blogspot.com/2007/10/grand-piano-004-sviatoslav-richter-in.html)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 09, 2007, 04:50:40 AM
Quote from: edward on September 15, 2007, 05:36:04 PM
According to MDT, the next three volumes in Richter: The Master come out in October:


These should be out soon, no? Anyone have the dates?

From MDT, it looks like the 15th of October:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/search/searchresults.asp (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/search/searchresults.asp)

But is it the same in the US?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 18, 2007, 08:37:28 AM
Quote from: George on October 09, 2007, 04:50:40 AM

These should be out soon, no? Anyone have the dates?

From MDT, it looks like the 15th of October:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/search/searchresults.asp (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/search/searchresults.asp)

But is it the same in the US?

Nope. These three (final?) sets come out in the USA on November 13th:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BqRQzb6NL._SS500_.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41-QMBzIx8L._SS500_.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31zuDrKFjhL._SS500_.jpg)


More info can be found here. (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/search/searchresults.asp)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 18, 2007, 04:38:30 PM
Any word out there as to how this  TNC Live In Kiev set (http://www.tncmusic.net/simple_search_result.php?searchterm=richter+in+kiev&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=search) stacks up?





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on October 18, 2007, 04:48:13 PM
"Live" Richter mentioned here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5048318
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Que on October 18, 2007, 05:34:51 PM
Quote from: George on October 18, 2007, 08:37:28 AM
Nope. These three (final?) sets come out in the USA on November 13th:

(http://www.jpc.de/image/w300/front/0/8229521.jpg)

Where the $%#@! did all the Schumann go?  ???
An entire (3rd) CD is missing. How can this be happening?

New issue - Richter - The Master Volume 7

CD 1
Johannes Brahms
Piano Sonata No.1 in C major, Op.1
Piano Sonata No.2 in F sharp minor, Op.2

CD 2
Johannes Brahms
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35, Book 1 & Book 2
Ballade in G minor, Op.118 no.3
Rhapsody in E flat, Op.119 no.4 in E minor
Intermezzo Op.116 no.5
Capriccio in C, Op.76 no.8
Robert Schumann
7-9 Fantasie in C major, Op.17

Previous issue:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4173PTA5KRL._AA240_.jpg)

Brahms
Sonata No. 1 in C Op. 1
Sonata No. 2 in f sharp Op. 2
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 1
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 2
Klavierstücke, Op. 118: No. 3 - Ballade in g
Klavierstücke, Op. 119: No. 4 - Rhapsody in E flat
Fantasien, Op. 116: No. 5 - Intermezzo in e
Klavierstücke, Op. 76: No. 8 - Capriccio in C   

Schumann
Fantasia in C, Op. 17
March in g, Op.76 No. 10
Concert Studies On Caprices by Paginini, Op. 10: no. 4 in c, no. 5 in b, and no. 6 in e
Novellette in F Op. 21 No. 1
Blumenstück, Op. 19
Nachtstücke, Op. 23


GGGRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

Q
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 18, 2007, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Que on October 18, 2007, 05:34:51 PM
Where the $%#@! did all the Schumann go?  ???


Yeah, they lopped off virtually an entire disc of Chopin, too. Missing are selections from the Preludes plus other miscellaneous works.

I wonder if they have a final volume containing Chopin/Schumann waiting in the wings?

And I hope they reissue that potpourri disc that came as a freebie to the Authorized Edition. Very rare Debussy, Bartok, even Wagner!



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 18, 2007, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: Bogey on October 18, 2007, 04:48:13 PM
"Live" Richter mentioned here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5048318

Thanks for this, Bill!!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 18, 2007, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: Bogey on October 18, 2007, 04:48:13 PM
"Live" Richter mentioned here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5048318

The commentator is right, no doubt about it.

But I part ways with her when it comes to idolizing audience intrusions. I frequently find myself lunging for a coughing culprit who dares intrude smack at the moment a musical epiphany is taking shape. 

I mean, just as a performance is winding up (or down) and *ZOT!!*

However, it is a problem worth tolerating for the very special qualities on hand during the moments of audience silence!



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on October 18, 2007, 07:06:12 PM
Quote from: donwyn on October 18, 2007, 07:03:50 PM
The commentator is right, no doubt about it.

But I part ways with her when it comes to idolizing audience intrusions. I frequently find myself lunging for a coughing culprit who dares intrude smack at the moment a musical epiphany is taking shape. 

I mean, just as a performance is winding up (or down) and *ZOT!!*

However, it is a problem worth tolerating for the very special qualities on hand during the moments of audience silence!



You do not get this as much with live jazz recordings....just some low mummering and cocktail glasses going "clink".  ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 18, 2007, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: Bogey on October 18, 2007, 07:06:12 PM
You do not get this as much with live jazz recordings....just some low mummering and cocktail glasses going "clink".  ;)

;)

Not to mention performers hollering back and forth amongst each other during the gig.

I mean, you never hear Richter howling at anyone in his performances! ;D


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on October 18, 2007, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: donwyn on October 18, 2007, 07:20:26 PM
;)

Not to mention performers hollering back and forth amongst each other during the gig.

I mean, you never hear Richter howling at anyone in his performances! ;D




LOL....the thought of that is hilarious.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 17, 2007, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: George on September 09, 2007, 05:27:53 AM
Just discovered this link to early Richter recordings, 1948-1951:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/ (http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/)

Anyone have these?

George & company...

Just received vol.1 from the above series. It purports to being one of only two recitals ever given by Richter dedicated solely to Chopin (the other being his debut recital).

Nothing but good things to report about this disc. Sound is some of the finest I've heard from this vintage (Moscow, 1950) with an air of TLC applied to the transfer. IOW, it has professional written all over it.

The performances are vintage Richter: eruptive yet able to soften his touch to the merest hint of a whisper. All in all, highly recommended.

The contents of this disc are duplicated virtually in its entirety on Preiser. However reports are the results are less satisfying.

Seems Ankh is bent on producing product the way it should be. Bodes well for the rest of this series.

Vol. 5 is out but not listed on their website. I mention it because the contents are fascinating: Szymanowski's second piano sonata and Prokofiev's seventh sonata (filled out with Tchaikovsky's Grande Snoate Op.37) from a 1954 Warsaw concert.


(http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/01.jpg)



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 03:20:50 AM
Quote from: donwyn on November 17, 2007, 10:13:12 PM
George & company...

Just received vol.1 from the above series. It purports to being one of only two recitals ever given by Richter dedicated solely to Chopin (the other being his debut recital).

Nothing but good things to report about this disc. Sound is some of the finest I've heard from this vintage (Moscow, 1950) with an air of TLC applied to the transfer. IOW, it has professional written all over it.

The performances are vintage Richter: eruptive yet able to soften his touch to the merest hint of a whisper. All in all, highly recommended.

The contents of this disc are duplicated virtually in its entirety on Preiser. However reports are the results are less satisfying.

Seems Ankh is bent on producing product the way it should be. Bodes well for the rest of this series.

Vol. 5 is out but not listed on their website. I mention it because the contents are fascinating: Szymanowski's second piano sonata and Prokofiev's seventh sonata (filled out with Tchaikovsky's Grande Snoate Op.37) from a 1954 Warsaw concert.


(http://www3.sympatico.ca/ankhproductions/bobbeaudin/01.jpg)





Oh, I have all four volumes, from this issue: I think I bought them last year, or over the summer. And I concur with the above being exceptional. 8)

The third volume, too, is superb; while the second one with the concerto is also very good indeed!

The only one I don't especially remember is the fourth volume, but that might be my own lack of familiarity with most of its contents, rather than an issue of quality.

All in all, a fantastic release, and one of the best "Richter issues" in my collection, given just that "eruptive yet able to soften his touch to the merest hint of a whisper" quality donwyn mentioned above.

Highly recommended, i.e. Richter fans: buy! ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on November 18, 2007, 03:39:45 AM
I wasn't as impressed with that volume. It pretty much sums up what I think of Richter's Chopin -- technically astounding yet unpoetic. Maybe it's just me though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 18, 2007, 04:32:39 AM
Quote from: donwyn on November 17, 2007, 10:13:12 PM
Seems Ankh is bent on producing product the way it should be. Bodes well for the rest of this series.

Bravo! Thanks for the info, Donwyn!  :)


Quote
Vol. 5 is out but not listed on their website. I mention it because the contents are fascinating: Szymanowski's second piano sonata and Prokofiev's seventh sonata (filled out with Tchaikovsky's Grande Snoate Op.37) from a 1954 Warsaw concert.

I have these three works by the pianist from 1954 and in the case of the Prokofiev, 1958, all from Moscow. These are from "Richter in the 1950s." It might be interesting to compare them to the ones you mention at some point. What did you pay for your CD, Don?

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 04:54:24 AM
Quote from: George on November 18, 2007, 04:32:39 AM
Bravo! Thanks for the info, Donwyn!  :)

I admit I'd also have replied a lot earlier, had I noticed this thread existed. :-[
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 18, 2007, 05:03:12 AM
Quote from: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 04:54:24 AM
I admit I'd also have replied a lot earlier, had I noticed this thread existed. :-[

Well, I'll just have to my best to keep it active. Thanks for your input as well.

BTW, volumes 7-9 of the Master series was released this past Tuesday. Can someone please report how much material is now left un-re-released from the "Authorized Recordings" set on Philips? 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 05:15:15 AM
Quote from: George on November 18, 2007, 05:03:12 AM
Well, I'll just have to my best to keep it active. Thanks for your input as well.

Oh, it's probably my bad for not noticing; no worries. ;)

Incidentally, I've also been eyeing volumes 7-9 of said "Master" series. Someone know if they're any good? I mean, unusually so? I do have quite a few Richter recordings already, that's why I'm asking.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 18, 2007, 05:36:10 AM
Quote from: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 05:15:15 AM
Oh, it's probably my bad for not noticing; no worries. ;)

Incidentally, I've also been eyeing volumes 7-9 of said "Master" series. Someone know if they're any good? I mean, unusually so? I do have quite a few Richter recordings already, that's why I'm asking.

All of the material in the Master series is from the OOP Philips Authorized recordings.

I have this link bookmarked:
http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/p/phi42464a.html
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 07:02:43 AM
Quote from: George on November 18, 2007, 05:36:10 AM
All of the material in the Master series is from the OOP Philips Authorized recordings.

I have this link bookmarked:
http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/p/phi42464a.html

Ah, thank you! :D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 18, 2007, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 03:20:50 AM
Oh, I have all four volumes, from this issue: I think I bought them last year, or over the summer. And I concur with the above being exceptional. 8)

The third volume, too, is superb; while the second one with the concerto is also very good indeed!

The only one I don't especially remember is the fourth volume, but that might be my own lack of familiarity with most of its contents, rather than an issue of quality.

That's very good news! So Ankh has a pretty good track record, then.

Good to know as I'll likely pull the trigger on Vol.5 soon.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 18, 2007, 06:55:29 PM
Quote from: George on November 18, 2007, 04:32:39 AM
Bravo! Thanks for the info, Donwyn!  :)

Happy to oblige. :)

QuoteI have these three works by the pianist from 1954 and in the case of the Prokofiev, 1958, all from Moscow. These are from "Richter in the 1950s." It might be interesting to compare them to the ones you mention at some point.

Yeah, I wondered the same thing. These Ankh discs seem to tread roughly the same territory as the Parnassus. So it seems only natural to compare. How much Chopin is there on Parnassus? Any Preludes?

I plan to order the fifth volume soon so it'd be a real treat to gather a few nuggets and compare.

I'd also be interested to see how one company compares to the other as far as sound restoration. The one Ankh volume I have is without doubt one of the better things I've heard come out of 1950 Moscow - at least live, anyway. It could be Ankh just got hold of a very fine original/copy (as compared to the inferior Preiser) but whatever the case this disc certainly leaves a strong impression.

One item of note: listed on the packaging is a "Made In Canada" imprint. But Ankh doesn't seem to be distributed at all in the US or Canada. Neither country's Amazons lists them in an official capacity. Ditto Arkiv.

One oddity: the packaging also boasts - "This Chopin Recital Has Never Been Published Before". But that's incorrect. A Russian Masters release predates it. By how much I don't know. The aforementioned Preiser seems to be contemporaneous with Ankh though may actually predate it as well.

QuoteWhat did you pay for your CD, Don?

I got lucky and scored one new off Amazon UK (Caiman, actually) for about £8.99. Price adjusted and with shipping it totaled out to about $25.00 or so.

However, I've read it's possible to order directly from Ankh's website. But I'm confused as to Ankh's origins. Canadian? European? If European it could get a might expensive (for us in the States). But I've also read for a Trovar discussion member the going rate is something like $20.00 or so.

In any event I'll likely email them soon and will know more then.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on November 18, 2007, 08:21:24 PM
Quote from: donwyn on November 18, 2007, 06:55:29 PM

One oddity: the packaging also boasts - "This Chopin Recital Has Never Been Published Before". But that's incorrect. A Russian Masters release predates it.


But weren't those Russian Masters releases just CDRs? I remember Sokolov's early recital with Carnaval, on RM I believe.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 18, 2007, 10:06:16 PM
Quote from: sidoze on November 18, 2007, 08:21:24 PM
But weren't those Russian Masters releases just CDRs? I remember Sokolov's early recital with Carnaval, on RM I believe.

The way I see it Russian Masters is a web-base company that instead of producing actual CD's for distribution offers CDR's on an on-demand basis. For a fee, of course.

Different business model but still a company.

And as far as I can tell they take the time to do restoration work on their product. And nothing pirated that I can detect. Everything points to a legit company.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on November 19, 2007, 12:22:40 AM
Offering a fee, doing restoration work, all that's fine, but from whom did they license the material? As far as I understand it, they just ripped it from LPs, as in the Sokolov and Ginzburg recordings I used to own. If it's that simple then I could also make a living from it :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 19, 2007, 05:10:58 AM
Quote from: donwyn on November 18, 2007, 06:55:29 PM
lucky and scored one new off Amazon UK (Caiman, actually) for about £8.99. Price adjusted and with shipping it totaled out to about $25.00 or so.

However, I've read it's possible to order directly from Ankh's website. But I'm confused as to Ankh's origins. Canadian? European? If European it could get a might expensive (for us in the States). But I've also read for a Trovar discussion member the going rate is something like $20.00 or so.

In any event I'll likely email them soon and will know more then.

This email interchange may answer your question:

From me:

Hello, I have a few questions about the 5 volume set of early Richter recordings:

    1. Are your prices listed in Canadian Dollars?
    2. What is the cost for shipping to NY, NY, USA for 1 cd or all 5?
    3. Do you offer a discount for people purchasing all 5 volumes?
    4. Are these CDs avaialable in stores?
    5. How much of this material is also on the 5 volume set on Parnassus? I notice that the Tchaikovsky Grand Sonata appears to be the same performance.

Their reply:

Hi George,

1. Price are in US
2. Shipping for 1 CD is 6$ Shipping for 5 CD It is 18$
3. If you buy the five we will apply the 15.99 spetial to all CDs
4. they are available in Japan, Corea, Taiwan, some European countries.
5. None are on Parnassus. They are from different concerts (unless Parnassus did duplicate some of our productions). Moreover, we do real remastering of the original tapes.

Best regards


   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: E d o on November 19, 2007, 06:29:16 AM
Just a heads up for members of the BMG music club. They just got Vol. 5 & 6 in the The Master Series. I'll be ordering Vol. 5/Schubert next sale.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 19, 2007, 06:56:30 AM
Quote from: sidoze on November 19, 2007, 12:22:40 AM
Offering a fee, doing restoration work, all that's fine, but from whom did they license the material? As far as I understand it, they just ripped it from LPs, as in the Sokolov and Ginzburg recordings I used to own. If it's that simple then I could also make a living from it :)

Well, then, if this concert has been ripped from an LP that means this material has previously been published.

Which is all I was driving at...

Anyway, Russian Masters seems to carry some weight in historical collectors circles. The Trovar board mentions them in a positive light. And their website is professionally done. Plus Paul Geffen lends his name to the company and he hobnobs with the Gerber's and such. So, dunno...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 19, 2007, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: George on November 19, 2007, 05:10:58 AM
This email interchange may answer your question:

From me:

Hello, I have a few questions about the 5 volume set of early Richter recordings:

    1. Are your prices listed in Canadian Dollars?
    2. What is the cost for shipping to NY, NY, USA for 1 cd or all 5?
    3. Do you offer a discount for people purchasing all 5 volumes?
    4. Are these CDs avaialable in stores?
    5. How much of this material is also on the 5 volume set on Parnassus? I notice that the Tchaikovsky Grand Sonata appears to be the same performance.

Their reply:

Hi George,

1. Price are in US
2. Shipping for 1 CD is 6$ Shipping for 5 CD It is 18$
3. If you buy the five we will apply the 15.99 spetial to all CDs
4. they are available in Japan, Corea, Taiwan, some European countries.
5. None are on Parnassus. They are from different concerts (unless Parnassus did duplicate some of our productions). Moreover, we do real remastering of the original tapes.

Best regards

A wealth of information, George! Thanks!

At US prices these look mighty attractive...





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 19, 2007, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: donwyn on November 19, 2007, 04:18:14 PM
A wealth of information, George! Thanks!

My pleasure.  :)

Me, I just bought volumes 7-9 of the Master series. I haven't listened to more than a volume or two of the nine yet and I have only heard the Richter in the 1950s set once, so I am out of the market for the moment.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 19, 2007, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: George on November 19, 2007, 04:21:53 PM
My pleasure.  :)

Me, I just bought volumes 7-9 of the Master series.

Oooo, nice. You da man!

I'll likely shore up my Authorized Edition with some of these Masters series sometime this Christmas (gift cards). My budget is flat right now and I need to somehow work in a few of these Ankh discs. Not to mention I've taken an interest in that TNC Kiev edition. Not everything on that edition appears essential (duplications) but a few volumes I might take a stab at.

QuoteI haven't listened to more than a volume or two of the nine yet and I have only heard the Richter in the 1950s set once, so I am out of the market for the moment.   

I think I'll go ahead and pull the trigger on vols. 2 (Brahms concerto) and 5 (Prokofiev/Szymanowski) in the Ankh series. So far I'm impressed with the label's professional attitude. Far cry from the glut of Richter pirates.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 19, 2007, 05:11:09 PM
Just read this on amazon:

By    whitley 190 (tennessee) - See all my reviews
"In 1994, Philips released "The Authorised Recordings". The set totaled 21 CDs. Starting in May 2007 through Feb 2008, it appears that Decca is re-releasing this series with one more CD. Does anyone know what the additions are?"

Check out this:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758637.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758637.htm)

and this:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758652.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758652.htm)

I think we have an answer here.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 19, 2007, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: George on November 19, 2007, 05:11:09 PM
Check out this:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758637.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758637.htm)


Well that's everything except for a bit of Schumann that Que mentioned seems to have gone missing.

Quoteand this:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758652.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4758652.htm)

I think we have an answer here.  8)

This one is good news/bad news. Good news in that it's a very juicy 20th century recital but bad news in that the sound is highly suspect (extremely reverberant, IIRC). It's also not part of the original Authorized Edition but rather an original London/Decca release. No matter as it makes for a nice supplement. Hope they've cleaned up the sound.

So I guess we'll never see that Authorized Edition potpourri disc... :'(




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on November 19, 2007, 07:14:26 PM
Considering this one for Richter's interpretation of Mussorgsky's Pictures from an Exhibition.

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/40/407170.JPG)

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=3889

Comments appreciated.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 19, 2007, 07:18:20 PM

The sound is not so great, but I know that you aren't swayed by such matters, so run, don't walk Bill!

This is legendary with a capital L here. 8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on November 19, 2007, 07:20:52 PM
Quote from: George on November 19, 2007, 07:18:20 PM
The sound is not so great, but I know that you aren't swayed by such matters, so run, don't walk Bill!

This is legendary with a capital L here. 8)

There is this '68 recording George.

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/46/462552.JPG)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 19, 2007, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Bogey on November 19, 2007, 07:20:52 PM
There is this '68 recording George.

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/46/462552.JPG)

Haven't heard that one (unless it's the one that was posted on the Braodcast thread awhile back.)

Funny how you can have about 100 CDs or so by a pianist and still have barely made a dent.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 19, 2007, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: Bogey on November 19, 2007, 07:14:26 PM
Considering this one for Richter's interpretation of Mussorgsky's Pictures from an Exhibition.

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/40/407170.JPG)

Comments appreciated.

The Sofia performance is stormy all right but that applies to the audience as well. They ramp up the noise with vigor. Comes very close to ruining the performance for me. But the performance is white-hot in intensity as Richter lives up to his reputation. But be sure you're in a good mood when you spin this one, Bill. 8)

I haven't hear the BBC recording but it's bound to be in much better sound than Sofia.

Sadly, some of the better sounding live Pictures (that I've heard) are the hardest to find. Praga from 1956 knocks the socks off the Sofia recording - sound-wise - but inexplicably is plagued for a long stretch (for a few movements at least) with a very intrusive wobble - the piano sounds as if it were a bell that's been struck under water. But a good portion of the disc is wobble-free and I'd still rate it above the Sofia.

Another commercial Pictures comes from a week or so before the classic Sofia account. It was recorded in Budapest. It was last seen on a long OOP Music & Arts four disc set. I used to have it and if memory serves it's in very fine sound. I can say with more authority shortly as I just snagged another copy off Amazon and it's in transit to me as I speak. Will get back to you guys ASAP...

The Melodiya Pictures is another one that's - from all reports - in very fine sound. But it's studio. I wouldn't hold that against it but live might provide more thrills (haven't heard it, myself).

Also, finding any of these usually requires shelling out after-market prices.

George, how's the sound on the Parnassus release?




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 20, 2007, 05:32:17 AM
Quote from: donwyn on November 19, 2007, 09:31:51 PM

George, how's the sound on the Parnassus release?

I don't remember, but none of that set has sound to write home about. I think that the source tapes are to be to blame.

Trovar lists seven performances of this work (Pictures) by Richter.

The one in best sound that have heard is the one from February 10, 1969 (the most recent one listed.) No problem here with the sound at all.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 01, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
For anyone in the market here's an opportunity to pick up a super rare Schubert/Richter (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richter-plays-Schubert-Franz/dp/B000001OI7/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1196578021&sr=1-6) disc for a DEEEEEP discount!!

At £5.01 it's a steal no matter where you live!




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on December 02, 2007, 08:10:12 AM
Quote from: donwyn on December 01, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
For anyone in the market here's an opportunity to pick up a super rare Schubert/Richter (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richter-plays-Schubert-Franz/dp/B000001OI7/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1196578021&sr=1-6) disc for a DEEEEEP discount!!

At £5.01 it's a steal no matter where you live!
No surprise it see it's already gone. Apparently I didn't wake up fast enough. ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Que on December 02, 2007, 08:14:32 AM
Quote from: donwyn on November 19, 2007, 05:28:01 PM
Well that's everything except for a bit of Schumann that Que mentioned seems to have gone missing.

Just my luck...... :(

Q
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510EK0Y2NEL._SS500_.jpg)

I was recently disappointed with the Schubert on this set, i don't know why Richter chose such particularly slow tempos in the D894 and D960...

The liszt sonata is great (1965), anyone can compare with the one on philips with the concertos ?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 02, 2007, 08:46:59 AM
Quote from: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
I was recently disappointed with the Schubert on this set, i don't know why Richter chose such particularly slow tempos in the D894 and D960...

Yes, some love it and some don't. I'm in the former camp.  8)

What'd you think of the Beethoven? 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on December 02, 2007, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
I was recently disappointed with the Schubert

Quote from: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
Richter

Cannot compute...

(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0003.gif)




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 02, 2007, 09:40:30 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on December 02, 2007, 09:09:17 AM
Cannot compute...

(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0003.gif)

(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0004.gif)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on December 02, 2007, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: George on December 02, 2007, 09:40:30 AM
(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0004.gif)

  :D

Leaving aside my sarcasm, I just find it hard to see how anyone could not 'get' Richter playing Schubert. It is slow (generally), but that facet to Richter's interpretations never registers (for me). It's music making of such a profound stature...

But hey, horses for courses 'n that. Don't give up with it just yet, samtrb!  ;)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 02, 2007, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on December 02, 2007, 09:48:51 AM
  :D

Leaving aside my sarcasm...


I left aside mine as well. That's why I had little to say on the subject.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: George on December 02, 2007, 08:46:59 AM
What'd you think of the Beethoven? 

Wonderful ! I have not listened to all to compare with others, but my favorites are No 17 (Storm) and No 18
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 02, 2007, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 01:34:34 PM
Wonderful ! I have not listened to all to compare with others, but my favorites are No 17 (Storm) and No 18

Give a listen to the Op.111 when you can, particularly the second movement. Something you'll never forget...



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: samtrb on December 03, 2007, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: samtrb on December 02, 2007, 01:34:34 PM
Wonderful ! I have not listened to all to compare with others, but my favorites are No 17 (Storm) and No 18

the Op.2 no3 is superb too, Beethoven 3rd sonata
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 03, 2007, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: samtrb on December 03, 2007, 07:05:03 PM
the Op.2 no3 is superb too, Beethoven 3rd sonata

You need to hear his Appassionata now, either 1960 RCA or Live Melodiya.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on December 04, 2007, 08:35:36 AM
Two more RICHTER: THE MASTER volumes, out in the new year

VOLUME 10

CD1

Chopin

24 Preludes, Op. 28

1-6. Nos. 6-11

7. No. 19

8. No. 17

9-10. Nos. 23 & 24

11. Barcarolle, Op. 60

12. Nocturne No.4 in F, Op. 15 No.1

13. Polonaise No.7 ion A flat, Op. 61 "Polonaise-fantaisie"

Liszt

14-16. Sonata in B minor



CD2

Liszt

1. Polonaise No.2 in E, S223 No. 2

2. Scherzo in G minor, S153

3. Nuages gris, S199

4. Consolation No.6, S172 No. 6

5. Hungarian Rhapsody No. 17 in D minor, S244

6. Klavierstück in F sharp, S193

7. Mephisto Polka, S217

12 Etudes d'exécution transcendante, S139

8-10. Nos. 1-3

11. No. 5

12-13. Nos. 7 & 8

14 No. 11

15. No. 10

3 Etudes de concert, S144

16. No. 3 "Un sospiro"

17. No. 2 "Gnomenreigen"



The great Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter, considered by many to be the greatest pianist of the 20th century, died on August 1st 1997. The previous Philips-only Richter Edition has been out of the catalogue for several years. The final releases in the Richter Edition are now released and include the present 2CD set of Chopin and Liszt.



VOLUME 11

CD1

1-4. Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 2 in D minor, Op. 14

5. Stravinsky: Piano Rag-music

6-7. Shostakovich: Prelude and Fugue in C minor, Op.87 No. 20



CD2

1. Webern: Variations, Op. 27

2-4. Bartók: 3 Burlesques, Sz47

5-6. Szymanowski: 2 Métopes, Op. 29

7-11. Hindemith: "1922" Suite for Piano, Op. 26



The great Russian pianist Sviatoslav Richter, considered by many to be the greatest pianist of the 20th century, died on August 1st 1997. The previous Philips-only Richter Edition has been out of the catalogue for several years. The final releases in the Richter Edition are now released and include the present 2CD set of twentieth-century repertory which was first released on Decca.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 04, 2007, 08:37:48 AM
Quote from: edward on December 04, 2007, 08:35:36 AM
Two more RICHTER: THE MASTER volumes, out in the new years.


Thanks for the heads up, edward!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 04, 2007, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: Que on December 02, 2007, 08:14:32 AM
Just my luck...... :(

Q

Some of the Brahms pieces are AWOL, too, mostly the late miniatures...



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: samtrb on December 08, 2007, 07:48:19 AM
Quote from: George on December 03, 2007, 07:13:32 PM
You need to hear his Appassionata now, either 1960 RCA or Live Melodiya.  8)

Actually this is on my wish list !

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61SWBN53BWL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 08, 2007, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: samtrb on December 08, 2007, 07:48:19 AM
Actually this is on my wish list !

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61SWBN53BWL._SS500_.jpg)


>>>>MOVE TO CART  $:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on December 08, 2007, 10:53:46 AM
Quote from: samtrb on December 08, 2007, 07:48:19 AM
Actually this is on my wish list !

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61SWBN53BWL._SS500_.jpg)

Yes, a good choice but this is an even better combination

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TWA1NMG1L._AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: samtrb on December 13, 2007, 07:30:59 AM
better in what meaning ? the brahms n2 is on my wish liszt too  >:D  but i don't mind listening to his beethoven n1 too, anything wrong with it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 13, 2007, 07:34:16 AM
Quote from: samtrb on December 13, 2007, 07:30:59 AM
better in what meaning ? the brahms n2 is on my wish liszt too  >:D  but i don't mind listening to his beethoven n1 too, anything wrong with it?

Not to my ears.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on December 13, 2007, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: samtrb on December 13, 2007, 07:30:59 AM
better in what meaning ? the brahms n2 is on my wish liszt too  >:D  but i don't mind listening to his beethoven n1 too, anything wrong with it?

No, but the performance of the Brahms is an absolute classic.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on February 07, 2008, 04:31:59 AM
10 March - Supraphon release of Richter playing Shostakovich and Chopin

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2685636
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 07, 2008, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: sidoze on February 07, 2008, 04:31:59 AM
10 March - Supraphon release of Richter playing Shostakovich and Chopin


This is very good news. The Shostakovich is some of the finest out there. I've owned the earlier Supraphon CD for many years. What's amazing is the high quality of the 1956 mono sound. Pure and clear and with body. I can imagine a proper remastering will breath even more life into the sound. (Although one cut - the 4th prelude - appears new to CD and might be from 1954).

It's interesting they've changed the coupling. Used to be Schumann. But since it's the same Schumann also found on DG (it was a joint venture) I suppose changing things is appropriate. 

The Chopin looks tempting. Don't know its origins. Studio? Live?.....


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: sidoze on February 08, 2008, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: donwyn on February 07, 2008, 07:37:18 PM

It's interesting they've changed the coupling. Used to be Schumann. But since it's the same Schumann also found on DG (it was a joint venture) I suppose changing things is appropriate. 

Schumann is coming out separately: http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2685637

The Chopin is probably live.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 08, 2008, 06:31:14 AM
Quote from: donwyn on February 07, 2008, 07:37:18 PM
(Although one cut - the [DSCH] 4th prelude - appears new to CD and might be from 1954).

Quote from: sidoze on February 08, 2008, 12:18:03 AM
The Chopin is probably live.

I should have scrolled down further. Here's the info from HMV:

Shostakovich: Preludes & Fugues - No.3, 4, 6, 7, 2, 18
Mono Recoredings: 3,4/12/1956 & 30/11/1956

Chopin: Etudes op.10 - No.1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12
Chopin: Etudes op.25 - No.5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12
Chopin: Polonaise No.7 op.61
Mono Recoredings: 21/2/1960 (Live)



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bassio on March 13, 2008, 03:53:43 AM
Great you guys were reading my thoughts. I was just want to open a thread about Richter's Beethoven.

I love his Op.2 No.3 - the Live in Prague. A marvellous account.

Can someone guide me which discs to get for a considerable chunk of his Beethoven.

And how many Appasionatas on record? I only heard one of them (and not sure which version): astounding technique but it left me cold. Which is his very best version?

And I have not heard his Op.111, where can you find that Don?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on March 13, 2008, 05:04:06 AM
Quote from: bassio on March 13, 2008, 03:53:43 AMAnd how many Appasionatas on record? I only heard one of them (and not sure which version): astounding technique but it left me cold. Which is his very best version?

According to the discography compiled by Ates Tanin, with dates given European style (can't bring up the other online discography I used to consult):

Piano Sonata No.23 in f, Op.57

8/1/51 - Moscow - Live - (PT)
1/11/59 - Prague - Live - PRAGA 254 021 (CD)**
59 - Kiev - Live - TNC H1463-64 (2CD)**
9/6/60 - Moscow - Live - MELODIYA/BMG 29462 2 (CD)**
19/10/60 - New York - Live - DOREMI DHR-7864-9 (6CD)** [N]
29-30/11/60 - New York - RCA 6518-2-RG (CD)**
23/12/60 - New York - Live - (PT)*

20/9/92 - Briosco - Live - (PT)*
22/10/92 - Eindhoven - Live - VPRO EIGENWIJS EW 9301 (CD)*
25/10/92 - Amsterdam - Live - PHILIPS 438 486-2 (2CD)**
5/1/93 - Siena - Live - (PT)*
? - ? - Live - excerpt - WARNER/NVC ARTS 3984-23029-2 (DVD)** [N]

I own the ones in boldface. Richter's Moscow 1960 is probably cited most often as the "best" overall--though I'll leave it to you to decide what that means; I personally find this performance very nicely balanced (BTW, this recording has been released on MANY vinyl versions, some of which used to cite the date as 1959, but all CD versions I've seen/heard give the date as shown). His studio RCA 1960 is the best recording and offers power and excitement; that's the one I usually recommend, and it comes in two editions, both of which are illustrated higher up on this page (Holden's post). The live Carnegie Hall from October 1960 offers added nervous energy and assorted fingerslips but also a sense of occasion and edge-of-your-seat thrills that still manage to entrance me whenever I put it on. Certainly I wouldn't give up ANY of the versions I own, finding felicities in each that warrants continued ownership and listening.

I'm curious about the late versions, but have never heard these. People whose ears I trust have warned me not to waste my money (though if I ever get a chance to listen free or find these priced low in a used CD emporium, I'll probably give them a try).

I once heard a live version not listed above--on some small CD label that claimed the performance was from 1965. Sound was awful, with horrendous wow and what sounded like tape stretch, and the performance wasn't all that impressive. If you ever see this one, give it a miss.

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2008, 06:49:40 AM
Quote from: bassio on March 13, 2008, 03:53:43 AM
Great you guys were reading my thoughts. I was just want to open a thread about Richter's Beethoven.

I love his Op.2 No.3 - the Live in Prague. A marvellous account.

Can someone guide me which discs to get for a considerable chunk of his Beethoven.

I'd get the cheap Brilliant Classics set, for it's great Beethoven and even greater Schubert. Includes his Op. 111 too.

Go to Russian DVD.com for his incredible Beethoven Melodiya CD. Includes the great live Appassionata and a great live Pathetique.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2008, 08:27:18 PM
Quote from: bassio on March 13, 2008, 03:53:43 AM
Great you guys were reading my thoughts. I was just want to open a thread about Richter's Beethoven.

I love his Op.2 No.3 - the Live in Prague. A marvellous account.

Can someone guide me which discs to get for a considerable chunk of his Beethoven.

And how many Appasionatas on record? I only heard one of them (and not sure which version): astounding technique but it left me cold. Which is his very best version?

And I have not heard his Op.111, where can you find that Don?

Bassio,

Like George said, the Briliant box is probably your best bet for quality one-stop Richter Beethoven. Including the Op.111. I don't actually own the box but I've read nothing that would put me off buying it were I in the market for it (although I believe it's OOP, now).

Otherwise you have to look far and wide for Richter's Beethoven, on labels like Praga, BBC Classics, Music & Arts, etc...

As far as Op.111 specifically, I can say for certain that the performance in the Brilliant box is an excellent one. That's because I'm the happy owner of the performance in an earlier issue - in a long OOP Music & Arts four-disc compilation (pictured below). It's well recorded, too (at least it sounds good on M&A), which is always nice when it comes to Richter.

I might even say, if you're up for the hunt, seek out this Music & Arts compilation - not just for the Op.111 but for all the other goodies it contains, as well. This could well be the finest of all Richter compilations for it's ingenious mix of repertoire and well-chosen performances. With all-around good sound, to boot.   

It's all prime Richter in such eclectic repertoire as Beethoven, Debussy, Schumann, Scriabin, Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Prokofiev, Moussorgsky, Rachmaninoff, and topped off with a heart-wrenching performance of Wagner's(!) tiny piano piece, Dedication (marvelous!!).




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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bassio on March 14, 2008, 05:30:17 AM
Hey Thanks for the suggestions  :)

So you do recommend these over his RCA and Decca Beethoven?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 14, 2008, 05:59:08 AM
Quote from: bassio on March 14, 2008, 05:30:17 AM
Hey Thanks for the suggestions  :)

So you do recommend these over his RCA and Decca Beethoven?

The RCA is excellent, I wouldn't miss it, though if you just buy one Appassionata, get the Melodiya, for it contains his sole recording of the Pathetique, also live.

The Decca can be skipped IMO, was too late in his career, the Brilliant Box is much better, plus you get some of his Schubert with that.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on March 14, 2008, 07:55:59 AM
Quote from: George on March 14, 2008, 05:59:08 AM
The Decca can be skipped IMO, was too late in his career, the Brilliant Box is much better, plus you get some of his Schubert with that.
And as far as I'm concerned, the D894 on the Brilliant box is one of the most amazing piano recordings I've ever heard.

Does anyone know how the Decca D894 compares to it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 14, 2008, 08:07:38 AM
Quote from: edward on March 14, 2008, 07:55:59 AM
And as far as I'm concerned, the D894 on the Brilliant box is one of the most amazing piano recordings I've ever heard.

Does anyone know how the Decca D894 compares to it?


I remember comparing, but the difference wasn't significant. If you let me know, I will do it again.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 14, 2008, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: bassio on March 14, 2008, 05:30:17 AM
Hey Thanks for the suggestions  :)

So you do recommend these over his RCA and Decca Beethoven?

I wouldn't necessarily recommend the RCA and Decca recordings above any of the others but are certainly good supplemental material. Especially the RCA.

The Decca is hit or miss, with some great early sonatas by a young Richter mixed in with some so-so late sonatas by an older Richter - and all on the same volumes. But it's worth sifting past the late sonatas to get to the early ones. One alternative might be downloading - if these Deccas are available as downloads you can cherry-pick amongst sonatas.

One superb disc I recommend is this Live Classics disc which features an older Richter (yes, older) in choice late Beethoven but on much superior form than on Decca. It's 'grand vision' Richter all the way, confident, supple, and mesmerizing. (And masterfully recorded!!)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 06, 2008, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: edward on March 14, 2008, 07:55:59 AM
And as far as I'm concerned, the D894 on the Brilliant box is one of the most amazing piano recordings I've ever heard.

Does anyone know how the Decca D894 compares to it?


Sorry about the wait, Edward.

I finally am currently comparing the two Richter performances and I must say the Decca sounds a heck of a lot better, which beautifully suits the less edgy, more tranquil interpretation. The finale is slower, again conveying a more relaxed mood. Otherwise the tempi are very similar. They are definitely two different interpretations, though as the two dates might suggest. The Decca is certainly not boring and there are some surprising forte chords in the first movement that impact well against the mellower background.

I am very happy with both, but to me the Brilliant version remains my favorite, for its incredible intensity. It's an existential performance that should not be missed, but then you know that already.  8)

Again sorry for the delay on this.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 21, 2008, 09:54:11 PM
Snatched this rare 1973 Tours recital disc off of Amazon new (on Pyramid). Contents include Miaskovsky's third piano sonata, Shostakovich Op.87 Preludes Nos. 19, 21, 22, and Prokofiev's eighth piano sonata.

Undertook simple comparisons between this Prokofiev eighth sonata and two others I have: DG studio and live 1961 Moscow.

Raised a happy eyebrow or two.

Much to my surprise the studio DG makes quite a good showing, turning in the finest second movement Andante of the three. More lachrymose with subtler plays of light than the other two. Tours is my next favorite.

The slow and taxing first movement gets the full treatment in Moscow. Lithely punching forward with a sure hand, stringing together phrase after phrase with a sensitivity and sweep to bring it all together nicely.

The opening flourish of the last movement finds Moscow with more dash and sweep but when the brakes are put on for the obtuse central interlude it's in Tours where Richter pulls out the greatest poetic stops. Digging far into the angularity and subtleties of the music he uncovers a wealth of mystery and repose. Divine.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: The new erato on April 21, 2008, 10:45:58 PM
In case nobody's mentioned the Schumann Symphonic Etudes on Regis (long thread!) I'll do it. Great work, amazing recording.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: BorisG on April 22, 2008, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: erato on April 21, 2008, 10:45:58 PM
In case nobody's mentioned the Schumann Symphonic Etudes on Regis (long thread!) I'll do it. Great work, amazing recording.

That is one work I have yet to embrace. Does anyone else have that experience, or do you all love it? ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Novi on April 22, 2008, 10:01:13 AM
Quote from: BorisG on April 22, 2008, 09:53:20 AM
That is one work I have yet to embrace. Does anyone else have that experience, or do you all love it? ;D

I'm the opposite to you, Boris. This was the first of Schumann's solo piano pieces that got me hooked. And the Richter recording is fantastic too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: BorisG on April 27, 2008, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: Novitiate on April 22, 2008, 10:01:13 AM
I'm the opposite to you, Boris. This was the first of Schumann's solo piano pieces that got me hooked. And the Richter recording is fantastic too.

Thank you, Novitiate. I purchased and listened to 1971 Richter. Admirable performance, best I have heard, and I was even pleased with Regis sound on this occasion.

Richter has added a new appreciation for the work. Though not near the top of my Schumann heap, it has been upgraded for occasional listening. ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: The new erato on April 27, 2008, 11:06:47 AM
Quote from: Novitiate on April 22, 2008, 10:01:13 AM
IThis was the first of Schumann's solo piano pieces that got me hooked. And the Richter recording is fantastic too.
Same here actually, and in this exact recording on an East German Eurodisc LP in the 70-ies.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on April 27, 2008, 11:39:49 AM
Quote from: BorisG on April 27, 2008, 11:00:24 AM
Richter has added a new appreciation for the work.

If you wish to, listen to this live Sofronitsky performance from 1959. No other comes close IMO. Starts from track 5.

http://www.mediafire.com/?fxbnttxpf1z
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Novi on April 28, 2008, 04:30:24 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on April 27, 2008, 11:39:49 AM
If you wish to, listen to this live Sofronitsky performance from 1959. No other comes close IMO. Starts from track 5.

http://www.mediafire.com/?fxbnttxpf1z

Is that the performance on the Denon disk with the Chopin?

It's been a while since I've listened to either Sofronitsky or Richter, but I remember preferring Richter's more 'muscular' playing. I'll have to go back to both and see what I think these days. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on April 28, 2008, 06:02:18 AM
Quote from: Novitiate on April 28, 2008, 04:30:24 AM
Is that the performance on the Denon disk with the Chopin?

Yes that's the one. It usually comes down to these two pianists (not that many know the Sofronitsky recording outside RMCR). If anyone has the Natan Brand/APR set which includes this work, could you please upload it? There was talk of including it in volume 2 on Palexa but so far that volume hasn't materialised.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: BorisG on April 28, 2008, 09:13:27 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on April 28, 2008, 06:02:18 AM
Yes that's the one. It usually comes down to these two pianists (not that many know the Sofronitsky recording outside RMCR). If anyone has the Natan Brand/APR set which includes this work, could you please upload it? There was talk of including it in volume 2 on Palexa but so far that volume hasn't materialised.

Most of it is also available at You Tube, which is my only Sofronitsky exposure to this work.

Contrary to Novitiate in comparing, I find the Sofronitsky more muscular. So much so, that at times he approaches pounding. I do not get this sensation from the Richter.

My appreciation for this work has probably been stalled the most by pianists' overplaying.

Richter and Sofronitsky at the top for this work? I have no disagreement, only preference.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on April 28, 2008, 10:24:29 AM
Any opinions on Richter's readings of Schubert's Relique (D840). Richter is my favourite Schubertian by an unnecessary amount, and this is the only sonata he's recorded that I've not got a recording of him playing in.

Trovar lists a 1961 Paris performance as well as the 1979 Decca one: any preferences?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on April 28, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
Quote from: BorisG on April 28, 2008, 09:13:27 AM
Contrary to Novitiate in comparing, I find the Sofronitsky more muscular.

If you want to hear the huge difference in their approach to Schumann, listen to the first movement of the Fantaisie in C. The '59 Sofronitsky is on Youtube and highlights his rhythmically free, febrile approach to this composer.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on April 28, 2008, 12:14:49 PM
There is a better recording of the C major Fanatasy than Richter's, in facttwo of them by the same pianist - Sergio Fiorentino. here is the slightly better of the two recordings
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and here is the other

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but currently unavailable.

So I've ordered this

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To see if he matches Richter in the Etudes.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: BorisG on April 28, 2008, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on April 28, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
If you want to hear the huge difference in their approach to Schumann, listen to the first movement of the Fantaisie in C. The '59 Sofronitsky is on Youtube and highlights his rhythmically free, febrile approach to this composer.

I liked Sofronitsky's opening. After that, it tired me some. To be fair, listening to segments on You Tube is not ideal.

What year was the Richter?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on April 29, 2008, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Holden on April 28, 2008, 12:14:49 PM
Sergio Fiorentino. here is the slightly better of the two recordings

FWIW I prefer the live one, not to mention it's slightly better value with all those other great performances over 2CDs.


Quote
To see if he matches Richter in the Etudes.

Did you download the Sofronitsky Holden?


QuoteWhat year was the Richter?

the famous studio account is from the early '60s though IMO there's a better live performance. Either/or, I've never liked Richter's tame way with this piece, as if he's afraid to flex any muscle here (or highlight the feverish intensity in the music).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on April 29, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on April 29, 2008, 12:01:39 AM
FWIW I prefer the live one, not to mention it's slightly better value with all those other great performances over 2CDs.


Did you download the Sofronitsky Holden?


Tony, no I didn't - where can I get it from?

The difference between the two performances is so small that I'm happy to listen to either. I'll report back on the latest Fiorentino when it arrives
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on April 29, 2008, 02:46:26 AM
A few posts up! I uploaded it and there's a link above. Looking forward to your view on the early Fiorentino.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Novi on April 30, 2008, 12:37:37 PM
Quote from: Novitiate on April 28, 2008, 04:30:24 AM
It's been a while since I've listened to either Sofronitsky or Richter, but I remember preferring Richter's more 'muscular' playing. I'll have to go back to both and see what I think these days. Thanks for the reminder.

Quote from: BorisG on April 28, 2008, 09:13:27 AM
Contrary to Novitiate in comparing, I find the Sofronitsky more muscular. So much so, that at times he approaches pounding. I do not get this sensation from the Richter.

I relistened to both Richter and Sofronitsky and found the latter a lot fierier and harsher than I remembered. I'd still say that Richter is more muscular, but these semantic issues are a moot point since I thought I'd found the Sofronitsky underwhelming. Don't know where I got that from :-\ - faulty memory or faulty ears? Meh.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: rubio on June 11, 2008, 05:02:53 AM
Is this one close to mandatory? The Rach PC2 is obviously present elsewhere, but what about the other Rach pieces and the Scriabin/Schumann?

http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-3-Sergey-Rachmaninov/dp/B00000JNQ7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1213188715&sr=1-2

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 11, 2008, 05:10:32 AM
Quote from: rubio on June 11, 2008, 05:02:53 AM
Is this one close to mandatory? The Rach PC2 is obviously present elsewhere, but what about the other Rach pieces and the Scriabin/Schumann?

http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-3-Sergey-Rachmaninov/dp/B00000JNQ7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1213188715&sr=1-2

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I would check it out on Trovar. I bet it's all available elsewhere, though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 29, 2008, 09:12:17 PM
Two new Richter recordings landed recently.

First is the new Parnassus "Richter in Leipzig" release. I put this on right away to see if there was any sonic improvement over the earlier Music & Arts release (of which I have a 320 kbps burn). There is! And not just subtle. There is more bloom with a weightier piano tone. Plus added definition. It definitely lets you enjoy more of the music.

Grab it FAST though as Parnassus is due to shut down operation in a couple of months!!! 


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Second is another volume in the Canadian company Ankh's ongoing series. The sound quality here is a notch or two below the one other Ankh volume I have (the all-Chopin volume). Which comes as a surprise as the recital was taped within four days of the all-Chopin recital. Most distressing is the sound shatters in forte passages. Overall there's a muffled quality that dogs the sound but at least everything is fairly clean and precise.

Definitely worth it though for the shimmering Prokofiev second sonata. As usual the music-making transcends the limited sonics.   


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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: rubio on July 29, 2008, 10:56:54 PM
I have some of these performances in other incarnations, but I guess this 14CD box could be highly interesting for many.

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_September08/2174112.htm

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 30, 2008, 12:12:08 AM
Quote from: donwyn on July 29, 2008, 09:12:17 PM
Two new Richter recordings landed recently.

First is the new Parnassus "Richter in Leipzig" release. I put this on right away to see if there was any sonic improvement over the earlier Music & Arts release (of which I have a 320 kbps burn). There is! And not just subtle. There is more bloom with a weightier piano tone. Plus added definition. It definitely lets you enjoy more of the music.

Grab it FAST though as Parnassus is due to shut down operation in a couple of months!!! 




What about the variable pitch in Op 109 - has that been fixed as well?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on July 30, 2008, 10:00:50 AM
Don, is it a pressed CD or one of those Nimbus-like CDR creations?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on July 30, 2008, 10:40:56 AM
*first release in any format*

Brahms : Piano Concerto No. 2 in B flat major, Op. 83
Debussy: La Mer

Sviatoslav Richter, piano
Bucharest Philharmonic
Sir John Barbirolli, conductor

Live Recording: 1958 (Monaural)

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on July 30, 2008, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on July 30, 2008, 10:40:56 AM
*first release in any format*

Brahms : Piano Concerto No. 2 in B flat major, Op. 83
Debussy: La Mer

Sviatoslav Richter, piano
Bucharest Philharmonic
Sir John Barbirolli, conductor

Live Recording: 1958 (Monaural)

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What an odd combination, throughout...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 30, 2008, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: Holden on July 30, 2008, 12:12:08 AM
What about the variable pitch in Op 109 - has that been fixed as well?

Holden,

Parnassus writes in the credits: "Thanks to a new process developed by Plangent Processes of Nantucket, Mass., we have been able to eliminate most of [the] flutter" [that afflicted Op.109].

I haven't had time to make a close inspection to verify this, but I can say in every other respect the new remastering is a success.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 30, 2008, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on July 30, 2008, 10:00:50 AM
Don, is it a pressed CD or one of those Nimbus-like CDR creations?

Tony,

By "Nimbus-like" do you mean the process of hooking a pickup to the horn of an old 78 turntable? I remember Nimbus using that method to transfer vocal recordings. Pretty controversial.

But no, there's nothing that sounds like the tomfoolery of that process. This appears to be a top-to-bottom, first-class Parnassus production.

Gerber credits, along with the company that eliminated the flutter, another company and the engineer that handled the remastering: Eldad Benary, The Sound Company, Saugerties, NY.

The remastering sounds like professional-grade stuff to me, without any amateur ham-fisting that can afflict so many pirates.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on July 30, 2008, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: donwyn on July 30, 2008, 05:25:59 PM
By "Nimbus-like" do you mean the process of hooking a pickup to the horn of an old 78 turntable? I remember Nimbus using that method to transfer vocal recordings. Pretty controversial.

LOL! Nimbus, bloody odd they were. Thanks for the details on the remastering, it sounds like even those who have the M&A will want to buy it. When I mentioned the CD/CDR thing, I actually meant the disc itself. If you look at the bottom, is it crystal clear like a properly manufactured CD, or does it have that distorting colour image like a CDR? In my experience Nimbus recently have used CDRs (or something like them) as published commercial discs, which of course is bullshit. I am just wondering if Parnassus have done the same, or if it's a proper pressing.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2008, 06:56:55 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on July 30, 2008, 11:22:08 PM
Thanks for the details on the remastering, it sounds like even those who have the M&A will want to buy it.

Yes, I'd say there's enough improvement in sound to justify buying the Parnassus.


QuoteIf you look at the bottom, is it crystal clear like a properly manufactured CD, or does it have that distorting colour image like a CDR?

Oh, I see. Yes, the bottom is crystal clear. No distortion. It's properly manufactured.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on July 31, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
Excellent thanks Don, looks like it's worth purcashing. Nimbus and I think one other company started selling CDRs in regular packaging and obviously that just isn't good enough. What was that you mentioned before about Parnassus shutting down?  I don't see any mention of it on the website. Did Leslie confirm this? It would be a shame, they've released many interesting CDs.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on July 31, 2008, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on July 31, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
Nimbus and I think one other company started selling CDRs in regular packaging and obviously that just isn't good enough.

VAI
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 31, 2008, 12:14:56 PM
I've ordered this already. I'd be interested to see what happens to the grossly overpriced M&A copies for sale on Amazon.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2008, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on July 31, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
What was that you mentioned before about Parnassus shutting down?  I don't see any mention of it on the website. Did Leslie confirm this? It would be a shame, they've released many interesting CDs.

Actually I might have misspoken just a tad.

Originally I had thought Parnassus was ceasing operation lock, stock, and barrel. This was based on three things: an email newsletter I received awhile back; a post from Mr. Gerber on the Trovar board; and a phone query of mine to the woman at Parnassus from whom I ordered the Richter/Leipzig disc. I asked her to confirm what I had read online that Parnassus was shutting down in a couple of months, and she said "yes".

But apparently there is more to the story. I went back and reread the email I had gotten from Parnassus and it actually left the door open for a token operation. Here's the pertinent information from that email:

QuoteI am sorry to announce that 2008 will be the last year for the Parnassus Select catalog. Sharp declines in sales, both in the number of records sold and the prices we get for them, have made the record business unprofitable, and it cannot continue. This realization also made the boss (Leslie Gerber) realize that I have been doing this long enough (37 years for the catalogs, 39 years altogether including LP publishing). It's time for a change.

I am intending to continue the Parnassus CD label, and possibly even to increase the number of discs published. I'm also hoping to expand my writing career, and, frankly, to loaf a little more. All those records sitting on the shelf! It's time to enjoy them without having to use them mostly for background while I type listings. --Leslie Gerber

So maybe when the woman answered "yes" to my query she was referring to the Parnassus back catalog. Not the record label itself.

Here's Gerber's quote from the Trovar board on 7/15/08:

QuoteApologies to all if this is too commercial a message. Those seeking
copies of "Richter in Leipzig," the long-deleted 1963 recital including
the last three Beethoven Sonatas, will be pleased to hear that it has
been reissued on my Parnassus label (PACD 96032).

The Parnassus label is currently distributed in
the U.S., the U.K., Italy, South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. Listeners in
other countries can order the disc directly from Parnassus.

Parnassus's other business, our LP and CD catalogs, will be ceasing
permanently in a couple of months. The private CD and DVD reissues of
many rare Richter items will also become unavailable. Anyone interested
in getting these while they are still available should contact me directly. --Leslie Gerber


Also, as to why Parnassus's website is mum about closing down (their back catalog) is apparently due to the fact (what I could glean from the woman) they only update their website every few months. Although with such a big decision as shutting down you'd think they'd make this announcement a priority. Hard to say...




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 31, 2008, 08:10:20 PM
Donwyn, how did you order that CD?

I emailed Leslie (and others did too) but got no reply.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
Quote from: George on July 31, 2008, 08:10:20 PM
Donwyn, how did you order that CD?

I emailed Leslie (and others did too) but got no reply.  :-\

I phoned them directly. Had my credit card handy.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 01, 2008, 02:27:41 AM
Quote from: donwyn on July 31, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
I phoned them directly. Had my credit card handy.

Thanks. How much was it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on August 01, 2008, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: George on August 01, 2008, 02:27:41 AM
Thanks. How much was it?

Amazon didn't have it but MDT did and for less than 10BP I get this from them (I hope). This is about $20 Australian.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 01, 2008, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: Holden on August 01, 2008, 02:05:58 PM
Amazon didn't have it but MDT did and for less than 10BP I get this from them (I hope). This is about $20 Australian.

Yeah, I saw that too, but I think it's a few buck cheaper through Parnassus directly.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 01, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: George on August 01, 2008, 02:27:41 AM
Thanks. How much was it?

George, it came to $18.00 total w/ shipping.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 01, 2008, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: donwyn on August 01, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
George, it came to $18.00 total w/ shipping.

Nice price! Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 15, 2008, 09:30:13 PM
Interesting new Doremi release. (http://www.amazon.com/Richter-Archives-Vol-15/dp/B0017M8YIA) Includes a 1965 Carnegie Hall recital.




(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xUG2VcK9L._SS500_.jpg)



Contents as listed on HMV Japan (2CDs):

SCHUBERT: Sonata No.9 in B, D.575 First release ever.
BRAHMS: Ballades Op.10/1,2; Piano Pieces, Op.118/1,3,6 First release ever.
CHOPIN: 4 Scherzos: Op.20, Op.31, Op.39, Op.54
RAVEL: Oiseaux triste from Miroirs First release ever.
RACHMANINOV: Prelude, Op.32/12; Etude Tableau, Op.39/3,9 First release ever
 Live Performance, Carnegie Hall, New York, April 15, 1965

SCHUBERT: Sonata No.3 in E, D.459 First release ever. The only version by Richter known to be recorded.
 Live Performance, Hohenems, June 18, 1980
SCHUBERT: Two Impromptus, D.899/3,4 First release ever.
 Live Performance, Budapest, August 27, 1967
SCHUBERT: Moment Musical No.1 in C, D.780/1 First release ever.
 Live Performance, Budapest, February 11, 1958
SCHUBERT: March in E, D.606 First release ever. The only version by Richter known to be recorded.
 Live Performance, Moscow, May 3, 1978





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 15, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
Donwyn my good man, (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1803807/2/istockphoto_1803807_gold_star_2.jpg)

Thanks so much!!!

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on August 16, 2008, 04:04:37 AM
Don't want to throw cold water on everyone's expectations of the 1965 Carnegie performances, but I recall hearing an off-brand CD of part of this concert years ago and the sound offered was so bad--quavery and off-pitch, like a stretched tape or LP with off-center pressing--that I opted NOT to purchase the thing. Let us hope that Doremi, whatever source they used, has remastered carefully before issuing. I'd sure like to hear this concert!

Thanks for the heads-up, donwyn.

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 16, 2008, 04:46:22 AM
Thanks for the warning, Dirk!  :)

I guess I will hold out until someone can confirm that the SQ is OK.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on August 16, 2008, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: donwyn on August 01, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
George, it came to $18.00 total w/ shipping.





$21.95 (Australian) w/shipping which makes it $19.04 US. OK, so I lost a dollar but the speed with which it was delivered from MDT was amazing. So is the improvement in recorded sound.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 16, 2008, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: Holden on August 16, 2008, 01:49:08 PM
$21.95 (Australian) w/shipping which makes it $19.04 US. OK, so I lost a dollar but the speed with which it was delivered from MDT was amazing. So is the improvement in recorded sound.

Yeah MDT don't mess around.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 16, 2008, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: George on August 15, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
Donwyn my good man,

Thanks so much!!!

Just doing my part as a fellow Richterphile. ;D



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 16, 2008, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on August 16, 2008, 04:04:37 AM
Don't want to throw cold water on everyone's expectations of the 1965 Carnegie performances, but I recall hearing an off-brand CD of part of this concert years ago and the sound offered was so bad--quavery and off-pitch, like a stretched tape or LP with off-center pressing--that I opted NOT to purchase the thing. Let us hope that Doremi, whatever source they used, has remastered carefully before issuing. I'd sure like to hear this concert!

Thanks for the heads-up, donwyn.

Dirk

Tough call as far as the sound. What I know of these 1965 Carnegie performances is they aren't official. No doubt "homegrown" straight from the audience.

Many years ago I managed to audition one (or both, I'm pretty sure) of those long OOP Intaglio pirate releases of one of Richter's 1965 Carnegie Beethoven recitals (this was back in the day of Sound Warehouse/Blockbuster Music). The sound was sufficiently dreary to put me off buying it (them).

Since then Leslie Gerber has reviewed them in Fanfare and actually gave them a qualified thumbs-up as far as sound. Which has me wondering if I wouldn't think better of them today had I the chance to audition them again.

So, I'm curious too how this Doremi stacks up. Hopefully a mag will review it soon and shed a little light on the subject.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on August 18, 2008, 06:19:37 PM
Hi,

I am looking for some great versions of Richter's Liszt Piano Concertos, and the B Minor Sonata. Anyone can recommend me any?

I only have the Philips issue of the concertos coupled with 3 Beethoven Sonatas.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 18, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on August 18, 2008, 06:19:37 PM
Hi,

I am looking for some great versions of Richter's Liszt Piano Concertos, and the B Minor Sonata. Anyone can recommend me any?

I only have the Philips issue of the concertos coupled with 3 Beethoven Sonatas.

As far as the concertos there's really not much to choose from (due to lack of availability). There's the superb Philips studio recording of both concertos which you already have; then there's the live BBC Legends disc of both concertos with identical forces as Philips recorded a few days before the Philips recordings. These are what remain in print.

As far as OOP and very rare there's a first concerto with Ancerl and the Czech PO (1954) found on either Praga or Music & Arts, and a second concerto with Ferencsik and the Hungarian State Symphony (1961) last seen on Music & Arts.

For the sonata, there are two scorching accounts readily available - one on the new Decca series and another on BBC Legends from Aldeburgh. Both in good sound (the Decca in even better sound) and both from 1966.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 19, 2008, 02:37:12 AM
Quote from: donwyn on August 18, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
For the sonata, there are two scorching accounts readily available - one on the new Decca series and another on BBC Legends from Aldeburgh. Both in good sound (the Decca in even better sound) and both from 1966.

There's also the one on the Brilliant label:

http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/liszt.html
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 07:37:40 AM
Quote from: donwyn on August 18, 2008, 08:53:46 PM
As far as the concertos there's really not much to choose from (due to lack of availability). There's the superb Philips studio recording of both concertos which you already have; then there's the live BBC Legends disc of both concertos with identical forces as Philips recorded a few days before the Philips recordings. These are what remain in print.

As far as OOP and very rare there's a first concerto with Ancerl and the Czech PO (1954) found on either Praga or Music & Arts, and a second concerto with Ferencsik and the Hungarian State Symphony (1961) last seen on Music & Arts.

For the sonata, there are two scorching accounts readily available - one on the new Decca series and another on BBC Legends from Aldeburgh. Both in good sound (the Decca in even better sound) and both from 1966.

Thanks Donwyn for helping me over here. Is there a huge difference in interpretation between the studio and live recording of the concertos? As in besides the value of collecting, is it worth getting the live version? Because i absolutely adore the studio one, and have yet to find another playing even near it (personally).

As for the sonata, is the Decca one the same as the old issue coupled with the concertos on Phillips?


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 07:38:40 AM
Quote from: George on August 19, 2008, 02:37:12 AM
There's also the one on the Brilliant label:

http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/liszt.html

Thanks George for pointing that out. How is the recording of that? Have you heard it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 19, 2008, 07:53:20 AM
Quote from: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 07:38:40 AM
Thanks George for pointing that out. How is the recording of that? Have you heard it?

I have heard it once or twice, I don't recall it being especially good or bad (by Richter's standards, that is.) That box it comes in, recently OOP I believe, is essential IMO for some wonderful Schubert playing:

http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Concert-Historic-Archives/dp/B0002YCW1Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1219161169&sr=8-2
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2008, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 07:37:40 AM
Thanks Donwyn for helping me over here. Is there a huge difference in interpretation between the studio and live recording of the concertos? As in besides the value of collecting, is it worth getting the live version? Because i absolutely adore the studio one, and have yet to find another playing even near it (personally).

Glad to help, Zhiliang.

As far as the differences between the studio Philips and the live BBC Legends, sorry, but I couldn't say. I haven't heard the BBC Legends recording.

However, if you ever chance upon the live second with Ferencsik on Music & Arts (from Budapest) I would say, grab it (this one I have). It makes for a very interesting contrast to the London (Philips) performance. My synopsis: in Budapest the quality of performance is the same but with a different emphasis. Mainly in matters of dynamics. There's a 'flatter' response from Richter, more linear than deep. Part of this could be due to the comparatively thin mono sound (not as open as the stereo Philips) but part of this is undoubtedly due to the more streamlined approach of Ferencsik (Kondrashin is more 'layered'). That's not to say the performance is tepid. It's not. Just a different approach.

QuoteAs for the sonata, is the Decca one the same as the old issue coupled with the concertos on Phillips?

I believe they are the same, yes.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: George on August 19, 2008, 07:53:20 AM
I have heard it once or twice, I don't recall it being especially good or bad (by Richter's standards, that is.) That box it comes in, recently OOP I believe, is essential IMO for some wonderful Schubert playing:

http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Concert-Historic-Archives/dp/B0002YCW1Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1219161169&sr=8-2

Yeah i have read reviews for the Schubert. Sounds interesting. Its on my wishlist now.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: donwyn on August 19, 2008, 06:59:41 PM
Glad to help, Zhiliang.

As far as the differences between the studio Philips and the live BBC Legends, sorry, but I couldn't say. I haven't heard the BBC Legends recording.

However, if you ever chance upon the live second with Ferencsik on Music & Arts (from Budapest) I would say, grab it (this one I have). It makes for a very interesting contrast to the London (Philips) performance. My synopsis: in Budapest the quality of performance is the same but with a different emphasis. Mainly in matters of dynamics. There's a 'flatter' response from Richter, more linear than deep. Part of this could be due to the comparatively thin mono sound (not as open as the stereo Philips) but part of this is undoubtedly due to the more streamlined approach of Ferencsik (Kondrashin is more 'layered'). That's not to say the performance is tepid. It's not. Just a different approach.

I believe they are the same, yes.





Yes, i am looking for a different approach to them. I will look into them. And also have been reading your input on the Richter's other recordings. Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: George on August 19, 2008, 02:37:12 AM
There's also the one on the Brilliant label:

http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/liszt.html

Ah, forgot about that one. :)



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 20, 2008, 02:18:48 AM
Quote from: Zhiliang on August 19, 2008, 08:24:57 PM
Yeah i have read reviews for the Schubert. Sounds interesting. Its on my wishlist now.

Keep in mind that it recently went OOP, so you may not want to wait very long.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 25, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: edward on April 28, 2008, 10:24:29 AM
Any opinions on Richter's readings of Schubert's Relique (D840). Richter is my favourite Schubertian by an unnecessary amount, and this is the only sonata he's recorded that I've not got a recording of him playing in.

Trovar lists a 1961 Paris performance as well as the 1979 Decca one: any preferences?

Edward, apologies but I only just noticed this.

I haven't heard the Paris D.840, so I'm afraid I can't be of any help there. It's exceedingly rare anyway but if you go a-searching for it and find it let us know what you think.

As far as the D.840 on Decca it's certainly a worthy investment. It's in very fine sound and is vintage Richter Schubert.

There's also a new D.840 in that Brilliant box but I haven't any experience with it.   


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 28, 2008, 08:10:44 PM
Just a heads-up to anyone looking for a bargain on the BBC Legends label.

BRO has that four-CD box set (http://www.berkshirerecordoutlet.com/search.php?row=0&brocode=&stocknum=&submit=Find+Item&text=sviatoslav+richter&filter=all) for dirt cheap (second from the top). I have some of these (Liszt, Prokofiev, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff) individually and sound quality is good.

By the way, BRO also has that BBC Legends Michelangeli three-CD box set available.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: hjonkers on August 30, 2008, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: George on August 20, 2008, 02:18:48 AM
Keep in mind that it recently went OOP, so you may not want to wait very long.  :)

Is it not just unavailable on Amazon? JPC.de still carries it; so does the Dutch Kruidvat site (the drugstore that owns Brilliant Classics).


[/quote]
Quote from: donwyn on August 25, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
There's also a new D.840 in that Brilliant box but I haven't any experience with it.  

No, it only contains D.566, 575, 894 and 960. They're well played (but in the case of the D960 at least, not as well as on Praga) but in variable sound, a little too fuzzy overall. D894 also contains some tape flutter in the slow movement.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 30, 2008, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: assurancetourix on August 30, 2008, 01:14:39 PM
Is it not just unavailable on Amazon? JPC.de still carries it; so does the Dutch Kruidvat site (the drugstore that owns Brilliant Classics).

Well, I'm just guessing but there might have been supply problems because for awhile that Brilliant box seemed to vanish from most (all?) US sites. Which gave the impression it had gone OOP. But now it appears to be available again from some US sources, ArkivMusic being one of them. 


QuoteNo, it only contains D.566, 575, 894 and 960. They're well played (but in the case of the D960 at least, not as well as on Praga) but in variable sound, a little too fuzzy overall. D894 also contains some tape flutter in the slow movement.

Oops, thanks for the correction.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on September 12, 2008, 01:41:25 PM
There's an old and interesting 6 part documentary of Richter on Youtube, no subtitles, lots of footage of him playing

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q79YWqc80R0&feature=related
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 18, 2008, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: donwyn on August 25, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
I haven't heard the Paris D.840, so I'm afraid I can't be of any help there. It's exceedingly rare anyway but if you go a-searching for it and find it let us know what you think.

Well, after some searching I managed to get hold of the Schubert D.840 from Paris, 1961. It's on the Monitor label.

I'm having trouble determining if Monitor is a pirate label or a licensee label. There's no info as to the origins of this recording, which I would expect if this had been licensed from another label. Melodiya apparently owns the rights to this recording as it once appeared on a Melodiya LP. So Melodiya could have licensed this recording to Monitor - a western-based label (from New York, now defunct) - which wasn't anything unusual for Melodiya back in the day. 

But the absence of copyright info has me wondering.

Anyway, one thing's for certain: this is a studio recording. The sound is pure and tight with that 'studio ambiance' surrounding the piano tone, plus there's not a hint of audience noise (and no applause).

Sadly, the sound is also inflicted with that "second-generation effect" in that vital overtones are missing which has the effect of flattening out the sonic perspective. Everything just sounds sort of wooden. I wouldn't be surprised if this has been released in better sound previously. Perhaps on that Melodiya LP.

I wouldn't call the recorded sound a failure since it does have a certain amount of body and fullness to it and blessedly there's zero distortion. So at least we can hear everything clearly and cleanly even if it is one or two (or more) generations from the original.

Which is good because what we have here is a very fine Schubert D.840. Studio or not Richter is in top form, finding all kinds of color and sparkle in Schubert's ruminative sound world. And truthfully the sonic limitations don't do a whole lot to dampen the interpretive flair on display from Richter. But it would be nice if some company (Melodiya?) would release this performance in spiced up sound.

All in all, it's definitely a keeper of a recording as the artistic vision trumps any technical shortcomings.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on September 18, 2008, 10:13:27 PM
I saw these Richter/Supraphon titles in HMV yesterday. Not aware of them, are they new additions to the Richter catalogue? Anyone heard them?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/SU37952.jpg) (http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/SU37962.jpg)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 19, 2008, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: Peregrine on September 18, 2008, 10:13:27 PM
I saw these Richter/Supraphon titles in HMV yesterday. Not aware of them, are they new additions to the Richter catalogue? Anyone heard them?

Nothing here is really new but much of the music on these discs has been in cold storage for so long it's almost as if these recordings were new.

The Shostakovich has been OOP for at least a decade, probably more.

Some of the Schumann - excluding the Fantasie - actually has been in circulation lately on DG but only in truncated form. DG cherry-picked and included only enough of the music to fill up Richter's disc with the Piano Concerto. Which means some of the music has sat in limbo for ages. (This originally was a joint DG/Supraphon venture).

The Chopin originally appeared on Praga but spread out over two discs. One of those discs is long OOP. The other is OOP in the States but may be available elsewhere.

As far as the performances, all are prime Richter. Mostly studio, though the Schumann Fantasie and the Chopin are live. 

The sound is excellent throughout, the only exception being the Fantasie which is grainy and clangorous. But still acceptable.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on September 20, 2008, 01:27:26 AM
Thanks, Donwyn, that's really helpful. I'll have to check what I do/don't have and then possibly purchase.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 06, 2008, 05:49:26 PM
An interesting disc scheduled for release in a few weeks:


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412URexCcWL._SS500_.jpg)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on October 19, 2008, 04:35:21 AM
What's this about?

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2806194
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bassio on October 24, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
I have a question:
How many WTKs did Richter record?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on October 24, 2008, 10:23:43 AM
I think there are two available recordings - the official one on RCA and another live recording from around the same time. I'm sure more dedicated Richterphiles will know the score!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on October 24, 2008, 03:00:01 PM
Basically there are two complete WTKs (Salzburg/Vienna '70-'73, I have it on MHS and Angel LP but it was released on many different LP and CD labels--and Innsbruck '73, which I have on Japanese Victor CDs, and not sure how many other LP/CD labels it might be on), an individual book 1 from Moscow '69 (I have it on Revelation CD), and some odds and ends on DGG ('62 or so) and elsewhere.

I think that's all, but I'll check the online discography.

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on October 24, 2008, 03:04:17 PM
OK, here's the listing from the Trovar site:

Well-Tempered Clavier, books I & II
(Salzburg and Vienna, 1970 - 1973)

Le Chant du Monde LDX 78 525/30 (LP)
Melodiya/Eurodisc 610 276 (LP) [ Ariola 610 276-234 ]
Melodiya/Eurodisc [Germany] 610 276-234 (CD)
Melodiya / JVC VICC 40014-17 (CD) or VICC 40206-9
Victor [ Japan ] VICC 40210 - 40213 (CD)
RCA GD 60949 (CD)
RCA [Japan] BVCC 37139/42 (CD)
Olympia [Russia] 501077 A+B (CD) & 501078 A+B (CD)
(Innsbrück, 26 - 28 July; 7, 10 August 1973) on Poloarts [China] CL4B-86080 (CD)

Well-Tempered Clavier, book I
(Moscow, 20 and 21 April 1969)
on Revelation RV 20003 (CD)
(Salzburg, 21 -31 July 1970)
Eurodisc-Melodiya 80651 XGK (LP) or XG 80.651 (LP) [ "Kassette mit 2 1/2 LP" ]
Le Chant du Monde LDX 78525/7 (LP) or LDC 278 525/6 (CD)
EMI 95549/51 (LP)
Eterna 826602/4 (LP) or 826781/3 (LP)
Quintessence 3705 (LP)
Ricordi AOCL 516001
Melodiya SM 02987/92 (3 LPs)
Melodiya/Angel S-4119 (LP)
Musical Heritage MHS 834 554 (LP)
JVC VIC 4072-76 (LP) or VIC 3059-61 (LP) or 3025/26/27 (LP) or VIC 3121/2/3 (LP)
Shinsekai SMK 7670/2 (LP 1972) or SMK 7740/1/2 (LP 1972)
Melodiya/JVC VDC 5001/4 (CD)
Victor [ Japan ] VICC-40014/7 (CD)
Olympia OCD 536 (CD)
Polydor [China] 506-0540 (CD)
RCA [USA] 82876-623152 (CD)

(Innsbruck, 7, 10 August 1973) on Victor [ Japan ] VICC 60071/2 (CD)

Well-Tempered Clavier, book II
(Salzburg and Vienna, 1972 - 1973)
Ariola/Eurodisc 85629 (LP)
Eterna 827979 (3 LPs)
Olympia OCD 537 (CD)
Le Chant du Monde LDX 78528/30 (LP) or LDC 278 528/9 (CD)
Melodiya SM 04213/8 (3 LPs)
Melodiya/Angel S-4120 (LP)
Musical Heritage Society MHS 834 554 (LP)
Quintessence 3706 (LP)
JVC VIC 4072-76 (LP) or VIC 3062-64 (LP) or 3028/29/30 (LP) or VIC 3124/5/6 (LP)
Shinsekai SMK 7810/2 (LP 1972)
Melodiya/JVC VDC 5001/4 (CD)
Victor [ Japan ] VICC-40014/7 (CD)
Polydor [China] 506-0540 (CD)
(Innsbruck, 26 - 28 July 1973) on Victor [ Japan ] VICC 60073/4 (CD)

Well-Tempered Clavier, Preludes & Fugues, Book I, nos. 1 - 4, 6, 10, 11, 19, 22; Book II, nos. 2, 4, 6, 12, 15, 18, 24
(Salzburg and Vienna, 1970 - 1973)
RCA [ France ] 53651 (CD)

Well-Tempered Clavier, Preludes & Fugues, BWV 846, 849 - 851, 853
(Florence, 23 Oct 1962)

DG 18950 (LP) or 138950 (LP 1965) or 2548286 (LP) or 447355 (CD) or 457667 (CD)
DG [ Japan ] SLGM 1312 (LP 1965) or MG 2193 (LP 1970) or MGW 5150 (LP 1979)
Heliodor 2548286 (LP)
DG [Japan] POCG 3902/3 (CD)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on December 10, 2008, 03:36:50 PM
How about this one? (http://www.amazon.de/J-S-Bach-das-Wohltemperierte/dp/B000VJXBBK/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1228955632&sr=8-8) Which of the two complete versions does it correspond to?


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tXwMeHD4L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)


(It seems to be a recent release.)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on December 10, 2008, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: Renfield on December 10, 2008, 03:36:50 PM
How about this one? (http://www.amazon.de/J-S-Bach-das-Wohltemperierte/dp/B000VJXBBK/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1228955632&sr=8-8) Which of the two complete versions does it correspond to?


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tXwMeHD4L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)


(It seems to be a recent release.)

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/316466

Quote from: dirkronk on October 24, 2008, 03:04:17 PM
OK, here's the listing from the Trovar site:

Well-Tempered Clavier, books I & II
(Salzburg and Vienna, 1970 - 1973)

Le Chant du Monde LDX 78 525/30 (LP)
Melodiya/Eurodisc 610 276 (LP) [ Ariola 610 276-234 ]
Melodiya/Eurodisc [Germany] 610 276-234 (CD)
Melodiya / JVC VICC 40014-17 (CD) or VICC 40206-9
Victor [ Japan ] VICC 40210 - 40213 (CD)
RCA GD 60949 (CD)
RCA [Japan] BVCC 37139/42 (CD)
Olympia [Russia] 501077 A+B (CD) & 501078 A+B (CD)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on December 10, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
Right, just wanted to confirm. Thanks, Drasko.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 11, 2009, 03:34:04 PM
As promised to donwyn last night here are my impressions of this Doremi set. Where it says first release ever, it means for this performance of this work.

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SCHUBERT: Sonata No.9 in B, D.575  First release ever.
BRAHMS: Ballades Op.10/1,2; Piano Pieces, Op.118/1,3,6  First release ever.
CHOPIN: 4 Scherzos: Op.20, Op.31, Op.39, Op.54 (only released before on Doremi)
RAVEL: Oiseaux triste from Miroirs First release ever.
RACHMANINOFF: Prelude, Op.32/12; Etude Tableau, Op.39/3,9 First release ever
All performances listed above from an audience recording from Carnegie Hall, New York, April 15, 1965

SCHUBERT: Sonata No.3 in E, D.459  First release ever. The only version by Richter known to be recorded. From a Live Performance, Hohenems, June 18, 1980
SCHUBERT: Two Impromptus, D.899/3,4  First release ever. (Trovar lists no other performance of No. 3) From a Live Performance, Budapest, August 27, 1967
SCHUBERT: Moment Musical No.1 in C, D.780/1  First release ever. From a Live Performance, Budapest, February 11, 1958
SCHUBERT: March in E, D.606 First release ever. The only version by Richter known to be recorded. From a Live Performance, Moscow, May 3, 1978


Disc one begins with a Schubert sonata that has not been previously released by the pianist, the D 459. That was the main reason I bought this set, it contains a few unique Schubert works that had previously unreleased in any performance by the pianist. The sound was unfortunately a letdown immediately, as the high frequencies are drastically cut. Some of this can be remedied with the treble control, but IMO this is a shame and since the rest of the disc does not suffer this problem, it's puzzling why this one does. The performance was enjoyable, but this isn't one of those monumental Richter interpretations that Richerphiles dream of. Richter sounds younger, more playful than he usually is in Schubert. It is fitting here and he turns in a good performance.

Then we move to the audience recorded Carnegie Hall recital, recorded 15 years prior. Richter's powerful, urgent style is here in spades and so is the upper frequencies in another Schubert sonata performance. The audience recorded sound limits the bass response and the fortes are harsh, but all notes played are clearly audible. Richter's tone shines in many sections, though the health of the audience was terrible, with coughing almost a constant issue throughout.

We then move to the 4 Chopin Scherzos from the same venue, which had been previously released on Doremi, but were included here because a better recording was found of the performance. Richter is electrifying in the fast sections of the Scherzos, with an urgency and forward momentum that I have never heard in these works before. The slower, quieter sections are tender and beautiful. The Ravel that follows is a great complement, with a quiet, mysterious dark mood that is conveyed masterfully. The Rachmaninoff works are good, but surely not his best. Not the wisest was to end this concert.

Then comes some extra performances from different places, beginning with an absolutely stunning G flat Impromptu by Schubert. Trovar does not list any released performances by the pianist of this work, making this one that much more special. Played a bit slower than I have heard it played by anyone, this one (together with the Scherzos) made buying this set worthwhile. The A flat Impromptu by the same composer that follows was good, but certainly not in the same league as the G flat, nor was the Moment Musical or the March in E, which had not been released before by the pianist.     

So this one is a mixed bag, as you may have gathered already. For the Scherzos and the G flat Impromptu, this would be a no brainer for any Richterphile, but the price is pretty steep. As I have said, the overall sound is fair at best, so all things considered, I'd say that this set is for the most devoted fans of the pianist only, a group that is not small in number and probably doesn't need my urging anyway.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 11, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3196.0;attach=12034;image)

Can you tell me where you got this one, Don?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 11, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: Peregrine on September 18, 2008, 10:13:27 PM
I saw these Richter/Supraphon titles in HMV yesterday. Not aware of them, are they new additions to the Richter catalogue? Anyone heard them?

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/SU37952.jpg) (http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/SU37962.jpg)



The one on the left has poor sound, weird modern mastering stuff was done to it, damaging the piano tone. The live Fantasy is unique to this release, so you might still want it for that, but for the rest the one to have is a DG CD I got off of amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000E53F (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000E53F) I t was released at least twice. The one pictured at amazon is the newer one.

(http://www.trovar.com/str/covers/DGG/435751.jpg)

435751 is the catalog number of the older pressing (above) and it's well worth finding.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 11, 2009, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: George on January 11, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
Can you tell me where you got this one, Don?

I snatched it off Amazon Marketplace. It was one of those luck purchases where the seller - not knowing what he/she had - had totally under-priced the disc. Got it for less than twenty dollars used but in absolute mint condition.

Last I checked it's now going for something like $125. I count myself VERY lucky to have found this one cheap.

It's a dynamite performance, too - or I should say, dreamily poetic, which is more in keeping with the style/mood of the piece.

It's one of the top Schubert performances I'm lucky enough to own.

*And thanks for the writeup of the Doremi disc, George!* :)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on January 14, 2009, 12:06:09 PM
Thanks for the review of the Doremi 1965 Carnegie release, George. This period of Richter's performance has always frustrated me, in part because of all the apparently-spurious releases on odd little labels that used to come out. There was a single CD that I heard back around 2000 or 2001 that claimed to be of Richter at Carnegie in 1965--BUT I had my doubts that it was the genuine article. Initially, I was curious about it since it included some Beethoven sonata--I THINK it was another Appassionata, but don't recall for certain (I was really into hunting down all of Richter's versions of that work at the time, and IIRC his "official" discographies listed only one or two recordings of the piece after the early 1960s). Whatever it was, I listened with eager anticipation BUT the recording was so awful that it made listening virtually impossible. It featured some of the most dreadful, wavery, distant sonics I've ever heard on any commercial release, as though copied from a stretched or otherwise damaged tape. Thus I left it alone and haven't seen another copy of it since.

Obviously, this new release is a different kettle of fish altogether. I'll be adding it to my want list.

I'd love to see a full list of the programs Richter played on his US tour that year, though, to see if that earlier CD might in fact have been a genuine if poorly produced Richter performance.

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on January 14, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on January 14, 2009, 12:06:09 PM
Thanks for the review of the Doremi 1965 Carnegie release, George. This period of Richter's performance has always frustrated me, in part because of all the apparently-spurious releases on odd little labels that used to come out. There was a single CD that I heard back around 2000 or 2001 that claimed to be of Richter at Carnegie in 1965--BUT I had my doubts that it was the genuine article. Initially, I was curious about it since it included some Beethoven sonata--I THINK it was another Appassionata, but don't recall for certain (I was really into hunting down all of Richter's versions of that work at the time, and IIRC his "official" discographies listed only one or two recordings of the piece after the early 1960s). Whatever it was, I listened with eager anticipation BUT the recording was so awful that it made listening virtually impossible. It featured some of the most dreadful, wavery, distant sonics I've ever heard on any commercial release, as though copied from a stretched or otherwise damaged tape. Thus I left it alone and haven't seen another copy of it since.

Obviously, this new release is a different kettle of fish altogether. I'll be adding it to my want list.

I'd love to see a full list of the programs Richter played on his US tour that year, though, to see if that earlier CD might in fact have been a genuine if poorly produced Richter performance.

Dirk

Dirk, Bruno Monsaingeon's bio of Richter "Notebooks and Conversations" gives a fairly extensive record of his concert repertoire and lists dates of recordings. I don't have it (but my library does) so I'll get it and check it out.

IIRC, there are only 7 Richter recordings of Op 57. One in Prague '59, one in Kiev '59  one from Moscow in 1960, two in NY '60, and two in Holland in '92. I have four of those but don't have the Kiev - maybe this is the one you are referring to that has the bad sound. The Eindhoven and Amsterdam recordings are not worth getting IMO.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on January 15, 2009, 04:59:47 AM
Quote from: Holden on January 14, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
(1) Dirk, Bruno Monsaingeon's bio of Richter "Notebooks and Conversations" gives a fairly extensive record of his concert repertoire and lists dates of recordings. I don't have it (but my library does) so I'll get it and check it out.

(2) IIRC, there are only 7 Richter recordings of Op 57. One in Prague '59, one in Kiev '59  one from Moscow in 1960, two in NY '60, and two in Holland in '92. I have four of those but don't have the Kiev - maybe this is the one you are referring to that has the bad sound. The Eindhoven and Amsterdam recordings are not worth getting IMO.

(1) Thanks, Ric!

(2) Yeah, I have the same four you have (as you know) but still haven't located/listened to the Kiev either...yet. I suppose that COULD be the performance I heard, but since I didn't just buy that old "Carnegie 1965" CD when I originally saw it, I'll never know. Keep in mind too that my remembering the piece as "possibly" being the Appassionata could be totally wrong; I just know it was a Beethoven sonata of some kind--and at the time I was specifically looking for a CD transfer of the October 1960 Carnegie performance, as we've discussed often in the past. The late Dutch performances I haven't heard either, save for a very brief snippet in a music store years back, but your evaluation is the same as others I've read and heard--so I'm still not rushing to locate and order those.
;D

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 15, 2009, 08:06:00 AM
Quote from: dirkronk on January 15, 2009, 04:59:47 AM
...but still haven't located/listened to the Kiev either...yet.

Dirk, the Kiev Appassionata can be found on TNC. Look here. (http://www.tncmusic.net/product_info.php?products_id=412) Unfortunately I don't own anything from this box set.   

About the sound: all I can attest to is what I could glean from the few clips I downloaded and burned (mp3s). The sound - probably as expected - it is rough and somewhat dim. No doubt audience-based. Not the absolute worst I've heard but not the best, either.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 15, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Holden on January 14, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
Dirk, Bruno Monsaingeon's bio of Richter "Notebooks and Conversations" gives a fairly extensive record of his concert repertoire and lists dates of recordings. I don't have it (but my library does) so I'll get it and check it out.

Holden,

As far as pinpointing exact recording dates/concerts, sadly Notebooks isn't that comprehensive. One of the indexes includes a tally of performances by decade but no individual dates or places.

A good portion of the book is taken from Richter's private 'notebooks' in which he'd jotted down thoughts on either performances he'd attended (concert, opera, even jazz) or recordings he (and sometimes friends) had listened to. But only about half (maybe less) of the 'notes' deal with his own recordings. But this half is in no way comprehensive and isn't intended as a reference. It's just a snapshot of a day in the life of a pianist and what he sometimes did in his leisure time. And the number of his own recordings he touches on really only amounts to a trickle, comparatively speaking. Also, nowhere in the 'notes' does he make mention of his own concerts. Only recordings.

Anyway, I hate to rain on the parade but as good a read as Notebooks is (it's fascinating) it's more of a peek into Richter's private life than anything. Encyclopedic reference guide for recordings/concerts it isn't. Alas...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on January 16, 2009, 11:17:37 AM
Looks like I need to get it out from the library again - ah, memory, such an elusive thing nowadays!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 16, 2009, 04:43:03 PM
Quote from: Holden on January 16, 2009, 11:17:37 AM
... - ah, memory, such an elusive thing nowadays!

Same here. Lucky for me I just recently reread portions of the book, otherwise I wouldn't have had a clue.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 07:54:09 AM
I had created a list of my most favorite Richter recordings for a friend on another board. Since rickardg asked for suggestions as well, I decided to post it here:

Prokofiev Piano Sonatas 6-8, Sofia Recital - Great Pianists of the Century or get the Sofia Reciatl separately on Philips, but the Prokofiev is not to be missed.

Beethoven Sonatas Pathetique and Appassionata, Bagatelles and Choral Fantasy on Melodiya (THE best Beethoven disc Richter has put out)

Beethoven Sonatas 109 -111 "Live at Leipzig" on Parnassus

Rachmaninoff PC 2 and Prokofiev PC 5 on DG (somewhat better sound than the one with the Tchaikovsky coupling)

Rachmaninoff Preludes and Etudes on Regis or Olympia

Schubert D 958 and D 960 on Regis or Olympia

Liszt Piano Concertos cond by Kondrashin on Philips (not the 50 best recordings one, the one with a picture of Liszt on the (red and white) cover) Cheap over at amazon

Schumann Fantasy in C on Various EMI CDs

Schumann Waldszenen, 6 Fantasiestucke, Toccata, Novellette, Marsch on DG (not the Supraphon as the sound is not as good)

Bach WTC Live at Innsbruck on Victor or the much easier to find RCA Salzburg version where the performance is still very good, but the sound is over-reverberant

Debussy Preludes complete on BBC Legends

Chopin/Scriabin on Praga and any other Richter Praga CDs you can get including the whole set (very expensive), the cover is my avatar!

Sviatoslav Richter in Concert - Box set on Brilliant Classics (for the greatest Schubert D 894 ever!)

Also, any Schubert by the pianist, it's all great!

Any recording made prior to 1970 is excellent, 1970-1980 you need to cherry pick, after 1980 be even more selective.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Opus106 on January 17, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 07:54:09 AM
Bach WTC Live at Innsbruck on Victor

Live? Do you mean to say that this is a recording of the 48 in one sitting?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: opus67 on January 17, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Live? Do you mean to say that this is a recording of the 48 in one sitting?

That is my understanding. Perhaps an intermission or two.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on January 17, 2009, 12:30:38 PM
Richter went through a period where he would programme an all Bach recital and this included the WTC. Maybe he did it over two concerts - George will have the details on the CD insert.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Holden on January 17, 2009, 12:30:38 PMMaybe he did it over two concerts - George will have the details on the CD insert.

Yes, it says - August 7 and 10, 1973 - Insbruck.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on January 17, 2009, 12:57:45 PM
QuoteSchubert D 958...Olympia

The 958 from Budapest on M&A is the one to have

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on January 14, 2009, 12:06:09 PM
Thanks for the review of the Doremi 1965 Carnegie release, George.

Your welcome!  :)

Sent you a PM earlier in the week, BTW.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 17, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
I like Georges list.

I agree that he Olympia performance of D960 is good, and it has great sound -- but I prefer the live Alderburgh performance on Music and Arts.

I would add the Preiser recording of Chopin Preludes.

And there's an RCA disc of a live performance of Brahms Sonata 1. The sonata isn't that great, but Richter does a Liszt Transcendental Etude as an encore. I think that etude is the best example of Richter's art I know -- it's fantastic (less than ten minutes though)

George -- what is the sound quality like on the Sofia Recital Prokofiev?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 17, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
I agree that he Olympia performance of D960 is good, and it has great sound -- but I prefer the live Alderburgh performance on Music and Arts.

I need to one day sit down and compare the 5 recordings I have of Richter's D 960. I recommended the Regis due to availability and price. I find his Schubert remarkably consistent and therefore find it less essential to worry about which performance to get. Besides, if someone doesn't like Richter's Schubert after buying the CD, they'll only be out $10 or so instead of potentially much more. The touted M&A disc you refer to is not worth seeking out IMO, so it won't make my list of favorites at any point. The sound is overfiltered, ruining the brightness of an already poorly recorded piano tone. This material - the D 960 and the manic D 958 - is heard to much better advantage on Living Stage 347.11.

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I would add the Preiser recording of Chopin Preludes.

I don't see these listed over at Trovar. What are the dates/venue? I have the ones on Regis 1199.

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George -- what is the sound quality like on the Sofia Recital Prokofiev?

You mean the GPOTC set? Absolutely fine. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 17, 2009, 03:53:31 PM
QuoteThe 958 from Budapest on M&A is the one to have

Yes the Budapest performance is great but the M&A issue is so far OOP no one will ever find it. Unless they get lucky. Of course the alternate issues of the Budapest are just as hard to find and probably in worse sound. So in the end, then, I guess we're on the same page! ;D


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 17, 2009, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
I don't see these listed over at Trovar. What are the dates/venue? I have the ones on Regis 1199. 

George, the Preiser is the same as the Ankh. It's Moscow, June 19, 1950 (live). However, the preludes are incomplete. Only 12 were performed.

From all I've read (I haven't heard the Preiser) Ankh found a better source and is in clearer sound. Having the Ankh as I do I can attest to the decent sound, taking into account the setting of course (1950 Moscow, probably audience derived).

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: donwyn on January 17, 2009, 03:53:31 PM
Of course the alternate issues of the Budapest are just as hard to find and probably in worse sound.

Actually, the Living Stage issue of that performance sounds much clearer in the upper frequencies, as less noise reduction was employed. But yes, it is not easy to find. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on January 17, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: opus67 on January 17, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Live? Do you mean to say that this is a recording of the 48 in one sitting?

Don't know about Richter, but Samuil Feinberg reportedly played WTK in Russia in one sitting as early as 1914, so perhaps that's where Richter picked the lead from. I personally think WTK is far too long and straining (both for audience and performer) to play at one evening.

Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
The touted M&A disc you refer to is not worth seeking out IMO, so it won't make my list of favorites at any point. The sound is overfiltered, ruining the brightness of an already poorly recorded piano tone. This material - the D 960 and the manic D 958 - is heard to much better advantage on Living Stage 347.11.

Isn't Richter's '64 Aldeburgh D960 available on BBC Legends?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 17, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 04:21:39 PM
Actually, the Living Stage issue of that performance sounds much clearer in the upper frequencies, as less noise reduction was employed. But yes, it is not easy to find. 


Hmm...that's interesting, but I'm kinda doubtful. Do you have the original M&A issue or a burn? :)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 04:33:47 PM
Quote from: Drasko on January 17, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
Isn't Richter's '64 Aldeburgh D960 available on BBC Legends?

Trovar lists it that way, I haven't heard it myself.

I agree about the WTC in one night, BTW. I wouldn't want to sit through that show.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: donwyn on January 17, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
Hmm...that's interesting, but I'm kinda doubtful. Do you have the original M&A issue or a burn? :)

Original. This is not the first time that I haven't been impressed with their transfers. When I called the company to complain about the Serkin transfers of his mono Beethoven, the supervisor on the phone openly admitted that they did not do a good job on that one.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 17, 2009, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 04:35:40 PM
Original. This is not the first time that I haven't been impressed with their transfers. When I called the company to complain about the Serkin transfers of his mono Beethoven, the supervisor on the phone openly admitted that they did not do a good job on that one.   

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It's really hit or miss with all these "one-off" labels. Glad to learn of that Living Stage!   

For me I've had pretty good luck with M&A's Richter over the years, but, no, they're not infallible. However, back in the day they were practically the only game in town. It was either them or third-rate pirates if one wanted off-the-air or bootleg Richter. And none of the pirates had any blasted clue! >:(

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: donwyn on January 17, 2009, 04:51:19 PM
Yeah, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It's really hit or miss with all these "one-off" labels. Glad to learn of that Living Stage!   

FWIW, I am not sure of legitimacy of the Living Stage company and it sounds like they may even source an LP for the transfer. However they did it, it came out better than the M&A.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 17, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 05:09:13 PM
FWIW, I am not sure of legitimacy of the Living Stage company and it sounds like they may even source an LP for the transfer. However they did it, it came out better than the M&A.

But like we discussed buddy, if you want to be one of the foremost experts on Richter's recordings then you need them on the shelf for listening pleasure and at the very least, reference.  The nice thing about this is it takes all second guessing out of purchasing recordings or pressings you do not own.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 17, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
But like we discussed buddy, if you want to be one of the foremost experts on Richter's recordings then you need them on the shelf for listening pleasure and at the very least, reference.  The nice thing about this is it takes all second guessing out of purchasing recordings or pressings you do not own.

Thanks Bill.

I am not comfortable with the idea of being an expert. I prefer to think of myself as one who appreciates the performances of Richter and therefore wants to hear whatever performances that I can get my hands on by the man.

I agree though, having discovered how much I enjoy this pianist's work, I do not need to debate when I see a CD of his. However, I do prefer to focus on the best transfers ahead of time if possible, as in the case of the above D 958, I would have saved the money for another performance of another work, rather than bought a redundant CD.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 17, 2009, 06:24:02 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
Thanks Bill.

I am not comfortable with the idea of being an expert. I prefer to think of myself as one who appreciates the performances of Richter and therefore wants to hear whatever performances that I can get my hands on by the man.

I agree though, having discovered how much I enjoy this pianist's work, I do not need to debate when I see a CD of his. However, I do prefer to focus on the best transfers ahead of time if possible, as in the case of the above D 958, I would have saved the money for another performance of another work, rather than bought a redundant CD.   

See.  That's just it.  You are no longer a collector to us (at the very least, me) and have been elevated to a person of reference like a VERY FEW others that grace these boards.  Plenty of collectors like myself here my friend.  Like it or not, your solo piano listening and expertise on recordings has just taken on a more vital purpose for those of us searching the recordings.  Your above knowledge of a redundant recording is a case in point.  ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 17, 2009, 06:24:02 PM
See.  That's just it.  You are no longer a collector to us (at the very least, me) and have been elevated to a person of reference like a VERY FEW others that grace these boards.  Plenty of collectors like myself here my friend.  Like it or not, your solo piano listening and expertise on recordings has just taken on a more vital purpose for those of us searching the recordings.  Your above knowledge of a redundant recording is a case in point.  ;)

OK, I see what you mean.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 17, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
I need to one day sit down and compare the 5 recordings I have of Richter's D 960.

I think I just might do this tomorrow and I'd like to eventually do the same for all the Schubert sonatas he recorded. I'll post my results here.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 17, 2009, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: George on January 17, 2009, 05:09:13 PM
FWIW, I am not sure of legitimacy of the Living Stage company and it sounds like they may even source an LP for the transfer. However they did it, it came out better than the M&A.

Yeah, M&A also lagged behind Arkadia when it came to that 1972 Warsaw Scriabin recital. Arkadia's is the more successful transfer. Noticeably so.

So sometimes it's impossible to know what to expect from M&A unless we get a chance for direct comparisons.

One instance where I was pleasantly surprised by M&A came from directly comparing their 1966 Aldeburgh recital disc (Scriabin 9th, Prokofiev 4th, etc.) with the BBC Legends release of the same recital. I fully anticipated the BBC - with direct sources - to lay waste to M&A, but to my astonishment the upgrade in the BBC was hardly noticeable at all. Yes it's there but only by the tiniest of margins. So tiny I ultimately kicked myself for buying the BBC Legends disc. Money down the drain. :P

And of course we all know how much better Parnassus's "Leipzig" recital sounds over M&A.

But I feel I need to defend M&A just a little. Back in the day (early/mid 90s), amidst the swarm of pirate labels jockeying for position in the great Richter bootleg race, M&A was the one company that consistently distinguished itself (for the most part) for maintaining a certain standard of quality. Accuracy of pitch, better than average (back then) transfers, entertaining liner notes, good documentation (dates, locations), and novelty of repertoire. IOW, first-class in an ocean of mediocrity.

Yes they've been superseded in recent years - not least because they've given up on the Richter race (or forced out, more accurately) - but they once held a valuable position amid all the chaos. But even to this day they are a valuable resource for the extremely hard-to-find Richter on disc. That 1958 Budapest Pictures can't be found anywhere else (just try ;D) and is at least the equal of Sofia in terms of performance quality - with the added benefit of strikingly good sound!

Anyway, just an aside...

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 17, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
Oh, and Don, you are one of the very few as well.  Have been for some time now. $:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 17, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 17, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
Oh, and Don, you are one of the very few as well.  Have been for some time now. $:)

You are very kind, Bill! :)

May I also give kudos to dirk and Holden for their always illuminating Richter banter (and Tony too if he'd quit being so snarky ;D).

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on January 18, 2009, 09:14:20 AM
no surprise my post was deleted, and Renfield's too. The person who complained probably couldn't handle the truth, so I'm going to repeat it. And please have the decency not to delete it again.

Sorry but this is completely ridiculous. There are no experts or anything of the sort here, only people who collect little round discs and listen to them. That is all. Some of the egos who think of themselves otherwise are really beyond belief.

and the bit about the bad English remains, as only foreigners and some yanks say "most favourite"
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 18, 2009, 09:58:10 AM
I spent the morning with 5 recordings of Richter's Schubert D 960. All are live except the Salzburg:

1. Moscow 1957 on Parnassus
2. Moscow 1961 on Brilliant Classics
3. Aldeburgh 1964 on Living Stage
4. Salzburg 1972 on Regis (studio recordiing) 
5. Prague 1972 on Praga

The first thing I did was listen to the first minute of each one to get a sense of the sound. Except for the Praga, they have all been noticeably filtered, thus blemishing Richter's tone. Since in Richter's hands, this work relies so much on beauty of tone, especially in the first two movements, I listened to the Praga first. The first movement was indredibly moving, Richter's tone sounded beautiful. The first crescendo surprised me, swelling to an expressively loud climax, sending shivers down my spine. Richter's playing throughout was focused and captivating. His second movement conveyed a beautifully calm and serene mood. The concluding two movements provided a perfect balance to what had come before. The intensity of the finale was particularly impressive, even if the occasional outbursts seemed somewhat out of place. All in all, this was a rich and rewarding experience.

I then compared the Praga to the three other live versions that I have. The 1964 Living Stage Aldeburgh performance was good, but the aforementioned filtering issues, coupled with the intrusive audience noise limited my enjoyment of it. The piano was better recorded on Brilliant, 1961 Moscow, but again the audience noise intruded. The playing of Richter seemed less focused as well. The second movement improves on this a bit and the concluding two movements bring an extra does of excitement. In all, a good performance but not as good as the Praga. Finally I listened to the earliest version I have, the 1957 Moscow on Parnassus. This one actually had the most filtering of any of these, something I found disappointing because the interpretation was a bit different than the others. The first movement was played two and a half minutes slower than the Prague performance and was focused and straightforward, but also less moving. The filtered sound really hampers the slow movement, with the piano sounding as if it were recorded down the hall from the listening position. The third movement was swift, but also muddy. Overall, just not a great recording.

Then I compared my only studio version, Salzburg 1972 on Regis, of this work by the pianist to my front runner, the Prague 1972. Recorded only as month or two apart, I thought this would prove to be an interesting comparison. The Salzburg had the benefit of almost no noise on the recording (certainly no audience noise here), though the reverberant hall was not the best choice of venue. The performance of the first two movements was good, but lacked some of the poetic qualities I enjoyed in the Prague. The finale also did not have that live performance energy and suffered because of it. Moreover, the reverberant sound often muddied up the imaging, making Richter's playing less clear. Still, it was my overall second choice, with the Prague being the clear winner.           
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 18, 2009, 10:10:41 AM
Quote from: George on January 18, 2009, 09:58:10 AM
I spent the morning with 5 recordings of Richter's Schubert D 960

You need to get out more... :P

Quote from: George on January 18, 2009, 09:58:10 AM
1. Moscow 1957 on Parnassus
2. Moscow 1961 on Brilliant Classics
3. Aldeburgh 1964 on Living Stage
4. Salzburg 1972 on Regis (studio recordiing) 
5. Prague 1972 on Praga

I have all but the Parnassus, am I gay?  :P

Quote from: George on January 18, 2009, 09:58:10 AM
The 1964 Living Stage Aldeburgh performance was good, but the aforementioned filtering issues, coupled with the intrusive audience noise limited my enjoyment of it.

I have this on BBC Legends and thought it sounded fine, will go back and explore

Quote from: George on January 18, 2009, 09:58:10 AM
I listened to the Praga first. The first movement was indredibly moving, Richter's tone sounded beautiful. The first crescendo surprised me, swelling to an expressively loud climax, sending shivers down my spine. Richter's playing throughout was focused and captivating. His second movement conveyed a beautifully calm and serene mood. The concluding two movements provided a perfect balance to what had come before. The intensity of the finale was particularly impressive, even if the occasional outbursts seemed somewhat out of place. All in all, this was a rich and rewarding experience.

This is my least listened to version, so will have to give it a spin later. Cheers!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 18, 2009, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on January 18, 2009, 10:10:41 AM
You need to get out more... :P

I didn't say where I spent the evening.  ;)

Quote
This is my least listened to version, so will have to give it a spin later. Cheers!

It was my least listened to version prior to today too. I forget why, but something turned me off of it initially. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 18, 2009, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: George on January 18, 2009, 10:19:55 AM
I didn't say where I spent the evening.  ;)

It was my least listened to version prior to today too. I forget why, but something turned me off of it initially. 

Spinning it now....
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Wanderer on January 18, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
George, thanks for the comprehensive list(s) and continued reviews; they're most helpful. I've always been (still am in fact) somewhat reluctant to investigate the multitude of let's say "illegitimate" Richter recordings properly (God knows there are a few:-) and yours as well as others' reviews at least may keep us away from the duds (I'm mostly referring in terms of sound quality).  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on January 19, 2009, 02:18:09 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on January 18, 2009, 10:10:41 AM
I have all but the Parnassus, am I gay?  :P

only if you want to be buddy. I spent last night at the pub with my non-classical-listening but completely gay male friend and two bi women talking about waxing chest hair, getting cheek implants and sorting out paperwork for fake marriages to Brazilians -- and even after all that I'm still not gay (you could be forgiven for thinking...and so on). Ended up with the age-old push-the-drunken-girl-home-in-a-Sainsbury's-shopping-cart-while-eating-a-chicken-burger routine  :P

So has anyone heard the quite recent BBC Legends disc?

(http://img.hmv.co.jp/image/jacket/400/27/8/7/397.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 04:44:20 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on January 18, 2009, 10:21:16 AM
Spinning it now....

What did you think?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 04:57:45 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 18, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
George, thanks for the comprehensive list(s) and continued reviews; they're most helpful.

Your welcome. I enjoy Richter's performances of Schubert more than his performances of any other composer. I intend to survey all of his recordings of each of the Schubert sonatas, working backwards from D 960 and will report back after covering each sonata. I have a lot of the performances already and will seek out the ones that I don't have.

QuoteI've always been (still am in fact) somewhat reluctant to investigate the multitude of let's say "illegitimate" Richter recordings properly (God knows there are a few:-) and yours as well as others' reviews at least may keep us away from the duds (I'm mostly referring in terms of sound quality).  8)

Yes, if you look at Trovar, there have been many labels that have released the same performance and while you might think that the bigger labels have the better sound, that is not always the case. Luckily we live in an age where we can try before we buy.  ;)

I plan to review my three recordings (two different performances) of D 958 in the next few days and will post my findings here. I don't have the 1972 performance on Doremi listed at Trovar, but my experience with Doremi doesn't have me running out to get it either. Besides, the Salzburg I have is from the same year. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 19, 2009, 06:02:23 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on January 19, 2009, 02:18:09 AM
only if you want to be buddy. I spent last night at the pub with my non-classical-listening but completely gay male friend and two bi women talking about waxing chest hair, getting cheek implants and sorting out paperwork for fake marriages to Brazilians -- and even after all that I'm still not gay (you could be forgiven for thinking...and so on). Ended up with the age-old push-the-drunken-girl-home-in-a-Sainsbury's-shopping-cart-while-eating-a-chicken-burger routine  :P

;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on January 19, 2009, 06:08:40 AM
I would add Richter's Haydn recordings to any "most favorite" list, and personally I have a hard time listening to the Schubert 960, the tempo is just too glacial. This is interventionist interpretation bordering on the destructive IMO.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 19, 2009, 06:14:01 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2009, 04:44:20 AM
What did you think?

I find it hard to gauge really, George. Although I haven't listened to the Regis or BBC Legends for a while, my inkling is that I probably prefer those performances (partic. the Regis), but it's such a small margin and don't think anyone would miss out if they owned one of those discs (or indeed the performance on Brilliant), unless they're as anal as you or I ( :P) and just have to know which is the best or better performance.

My feeling is that all of those recordings (I don't know the Parnasus) give a good account of a 'Richter D.960' and no-one should feel short-changed by them...

I'll try and give the others a spin this week though and see if I feel differently.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Novi on January 19, 2009, 06:21:54 AM
Quote from: Herman on January 19, 2009, 06:08:40 AM
I would add Richter's Haydn recordings to any "most favorite" list, and personally I have a hard time listening to the Schubert 960, the tempo is just too glacial. This is interventionist interpretation bordering on the destructive IMO.

Yeah, tempo in Richter's Schubert seems to be the determining (and divisive) factor for listeners.

I like it myself. In fact, after extensive listening, everyone else sounds lightweight and frivolous, even, say, Lupu :-\ ;D.

(Half joking, by the way. I actually really like Lupu and like the contrast between the two, particularly in the G major).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 08:33:39 AM
Time for another installment in Richter's Schubert Sonatas. Moving backwards through the repertoire, we arrive at D 958, as Richter chose not to record D 959. I have read that he explains the reason for this in International Piano Quarterly (Fall 1997), which I believe quotes a book, but I have not seen or read either. If anyone has read this or has a transcript, I'd love to hear more about it or, better yet, read it. 

D 958

   Salzburg 1972 (Regis) – Overall a wonderfully subtle and introverted performance. The piano sound is rich and full, requiring only a bit of treble boost to sound great. Richter's playing is confident and expressive without sounding harsh. He turns in a typically focused performance. The first movement and especially the second has a number of beautifully tranquil passages that are conveyed well by the pianist. A palpable tension is present throughout, but is only hinted at, except for a few explosive moments. The slow movement is mysterious, tender and stern. These contrasting elements work wonderfully in Richter's hands. The third movement is pleasant, but the rhythms sound a bit limp. Richter plays again with great subtlety and authority in the finale. Rather than try to set speed records, he impresses with his ability to sustain the drama of the music by varying the intensity of his playing. As with the early movements, the tension bubbles below the surface, occasionally appearing at key moments, only to submerge again. I don't think this is the best that the pianist has played this work, but it is the best one that I have heard.

   Budapest 1958 (Living Stage, M&A) – If Salzburg was the introverted Richter, then Budapest is surely the extrovert side of the pianist. From the opening measures, it is clear that Richter saw this work at the time as being urgent, more like Beethoven than Schubert. The first movement is played in an incredibly raw fashion, with phrases tumbling into the next with more concern for drama and power than beauty. The cold but fully audible sound tended to underline this point. I chose the Living Stage release for this performance, as it is a clearer transfer, with less filtering. In the second movement, things slow down nicely and the tranquil mood provides a nice contrast to the first movement. However, the audience noise and recording noise spoiled this mood for me. The third movement had a lovely dance feel, with rhythms much more taut than the later Salzburg recording. Richter's rhythms in the finale absolutely amaze. The drama that is created by his technical wizardry here is infectious. Overall, while I certainly recommend this recording, I prefer it's Salzburg counterpart, for I prefer my Schubert to be played with more subtlety. 

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2009, 08:33:39 AM
Time for another installment in Richter's Schubert Sonatas. Moving backwards through the repertoire, we arrive at D 958, as Richter chose not to record D 959. I have read that he explains the reason for this in International Piano Quarterly (Fall 1997), which I believe quotes a book, but I have not seen or read either. If anyone has read this or has a transcript, I'd love to hear more about it or, better yet, read it. 

I just found out at another site that all Richter said in the article was "I don't want to play the big A major."   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
Just came across this incredible Blog about Richter. Chock full of great stuff:

http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/search/label/English
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 01:10:09 PM
Today I listened to the two performances listed over at Trovar of

D 894


   Moscow 3 May 1978 (Brilliant Classics) – This was my first encounter with Richter's Schubert and it won me over the first time I heard it. You might say I imprinted on it. The depth of performance is impressive, with a first movement that is epic in the hands of the pianist. Unfortunately, it was recorded under less than ideal conditions, using what sounds like fairly close microphones in a very reverberant hall. The reverb enhances the performances throughout much of the slow movement, adding a mysterious quality to an already ominous performance. However, as the sonata moves on, this effect begins to blur the images as the notes get closer together. There are some splendid moments, especially the sunlight evoked by the start of the second movement. The playing could have been more refined however, and the close recording limited the dynamic range of the sound, thus limiting the dramatic effect of the dynamic shifts. All in all, a very good performance that was unfortunately not helped by the conditions under which it was recorded.

   London 20 March 1989 (Philips) - The recorded sound here is spectacular, microphones were placed far enough away to capture the full dynamic range of Richter's performance. Thankfully, the audience is well behaved as well. Richter's playing here is beyond words, so I won't say very much. The first movement is played like a gentle dream punctuated by nightmarish episodes that startled me, but in a good way. The second and third movements continue in this fashion, Richter plays a heartfelt performance with great focus and if the occasional outbursts are a bit loud, it only adds to the epic nature of his interpretation. The finale is a delight, played in a beautiful, aristocratic style. The understated ending is soft, yet powerful. I found out today that this was the pianist's favorite Schubert sonata and by the way he plays it, I am not surprised. This is truly incredible performance and one that I will revisit and treasure for years to come.     
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2009, 06:30:09 PM
Found an alternate discography of the pianist on Doremi:

http://www.doremi.com/sr.html

They list privately taped performances as well, unlike Trovar.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2009, 08:11:40 PM
Nice reviews, George. And nice idea to focus on Schubert. As you know I've long championed this somewhat neglected corner of Richter's output. Despite Richter's superhuman technical wizardry his poetic side is every bit as fascinating.

The points about the sonics don't surprise me. If poor sound obscures Richter's pearly tone the music definitely suffers. Especially in such moody music as Schubert.

It's also interesting to read of your comments on D958. Your points illustrate what I've always maintained on this board: that Schubert from Richter in his pre-western days is more "hammered out", more overt and raucous, versus the more poetic and secretive "Viennese" Schubert he later commanded after his exposure to the west. A fine turnaround that doesn't for a moment obscure his successes in 'eastern-era' Schubert (it's very good) but simply points to his willingness to assimilate everything around him for the good of the music.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on January 19, 2009, 11:45:49 PM
My seminal Richter recording was bought in the late 80s, the Tokyo recital of D664 and D784 plus 2 impromptus. I'd been searching for a replacement for works I'd had on LP (Ashkenazy and Kempff) and I got more than I could ever have hoped for. This started my love affair with Richter yet it was a while before I bought another Richter recording. The next one made me a life long devotee of this man, surely one of the top three pianists of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2009, 04:50:54 AM
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On the way to work today, I listened to some of disc one from this set. Decent sound and some lovely Bach playing.

Here's what's in the set:

Disc 1

Johann Sebastian Bach:
Fantasie & Fugue in A minor BWV 944 ₁
Italian Concerto in F major BWV 971 ₁:
I. Allegro
II. Andante
III. Presto
English Suite No.3 in G minor BWV 808 ₁:
I. Prélude
II. Allemande
III. Courante
IV. Sarabande
V. Gavotte I - Gavotte II ou La Musette
VI. Gigue

Nikolaj Rimsky-Korsakov:
Piano Concerto in C sharp minor op.30 ₂:
I. Moderato
II. Allegro quasi polacca
III. Allegro
Mosca Youth Orchestra
dir. Kyrill Kondrashin

Sergej Prokofiev:
Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major op.10 ₃:
I. Allegro brioso
II. Andante assai
III. Allegro scherzando
Mosca Youth Orchestra
dir. Kyrill Kondrashin


Disc 2


Johannes Brahms:
Piano Concerto No.2 in B flat major op.83 ₂:
I. Allegro non troppo
II. Allegro appassionato
III. Andante
IV. Allegretto grazioso
Czech Philharmonic Orchestra
dir. Kyrill Kondrashin

Camille Saint-Saëns:
Piano Concerto No.5 in F major op.103 "Egyptian" ₃:
I. Allegro animato
II. Andante
III. Molto allegro
Mosca Youth Orchestra
dir. Kyrill Kondrashin

Disc 3

Alexander Glazunov:
Piano Concerto No.1 in F minor op.92 ₃:
Allegro moderato - Tema con Variazioni
Andantino tranquillo
Variation I
Variation II (Chromatica. Andantino)
Variation III (Eroica. Allegro moderato)
Variation IV (Lyrica)
Variation V (Intermezzo. Allegro)
Variation VI (Quasi una Fantasia. Lento)
Variation VII (Mazurka. Allegretto)
Variation VIII (Scherzo. Alelgro ma non troppo)
Variation IX (Finale. Allegro moderato)
Mosca Youth Orchestra
dir. Kyrill Kondrashin

Modest Mussorgsky:
Pictures at an exhibition ₃:
Promenade
The Gnome
Promenade
The Old Castle
Promenade
Tuileries
Bydlo
Promenade
Ballet of the Unhatched Chicks
Samuel Goldenberg and Schmuyle
Promenade
Limoges - The Market
Catacombs
Cum mortuis in lingua mortua
Baba Yaga
The Great Gate at Kiev

Alexander Scriabin:
Piano Sonata No.6 op.62 ₃


Disc 4


Ludwig van Beethoven:
Fantasia in C minor op.80 "Choral Fantasy" ₃
State Academy Russian Chorus
USSR Large Symphony Orchestra
dir. Kurt Sandeling

Carl Maria von Weber:
Piano Sonata No.3 in D minor op.49 ₄:
I. Allegro feroce
II. Andante con moto
III. Rondo (Presto)

Franz Schubert:
Moments Musicaux op.94 D.780 ₂:
No.1 in C major
No.3 in F minor
No.6 in A flat minor
Impromptu in A flat major op.142 No.2 ₂

Frédéric Chopin:
Etude in E major op.10 No.3 "Tristesse" ₂
Polonaise No.1 in C sharp minor op.26 No.1 ₁


Sviatoslav Richter, piano

Rec.: 1948 ₁, 1950 ₂, 1952 ₃, 1954 ₄
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2009, 04:51:36 AM
Quote from: Holden on January 19, 2009, 11:45:49 PM
My seminal Richter recording was bought in the late 80s, the Tokyo recital of D664 and D784 plus 2 impromptus. I'd been searching for a replacement for works I'd had on LP (Ashkenazy and Kempff) and I got more than I could ever have hoped for. This started my love affair with Richter yet it was a while before I bought another Richter recording. The next one made me a life long devotee of this man, surely one of the top three pianists of the 20th century.

I'm curious, what was "the next one?"  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on January 20, 2009, 11:14:40 AM
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..and hence my love affair with Richter's LvB began....
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2009, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: Holden on January 20, 2009, 11:14:40 AM

..and hence my love affair with Richter's LvB began....

Cool. I need to check and see how many of those performances appear in the Master Series, as I don't have any of the Richter GPOTC sets.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: rubio on January 20, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
Quote from: George on January 20, 2009, 04:50:54 AM
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On the way to work today, I listened to some of disc one from this set. Decent sound and some lovely Bach playing.

I look forward to hear more comments about this set! :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: rubio on January 20, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
I look forward to hear more comments about this set! :)

I heard most of disc one today and so far the performances are electric! Classic early Richter!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 20, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: George on January 20, 2009, 11:16:21 AM
Cool. I need to check and see how many of those performances appear in the Master Series, as I don't have any of the Richter GPOTC sets.

Yes, the contents of the all-Beethoven volume in Richter's GPOTC can be found on the Master Series, excepting the Appassionata which is the RCA recording.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2009, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: donwyn on January 20, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Yes, the contents of the all-Beethoven volume in Richter's GPOTC can be found on the Master Series, excepting the Appassionata which is the RCA recording.

Sweet!! Then I already have all of that set.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 21, 2009, 01:14:06 AM
Well, thank you George for prompting me to listen to that Praga D960 again

I kind of knew it was very good -- but it had been years since I had heard it.

I think it is an amazing recording, but I still like the Aldeburgh CD a lot too. There's something particularly electric about the big crash seven minutes in to the first movement in the Aldeburgh. You can sense how astonished the audience were!

Still -- I think your probably right. The Prague performance is the best overall.

I'm very interest to hear what you make of D850 in the Praga set. The second movement of that is my personal favourite Richer Schubert recording. It seems to me to evoke such a wide range of emotions. I go damp eyed every time I listen to it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 21, 2009, 02:38:02 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 21, 2009, 01:14:06 AM

I'm very interest to hear what you make of D850 in the Praga set. The second movement of that is my personal favourite Richer Schubert recording. It seems to me to evoke such a wide range of emotions. I go damp eyed every time I listen to it.


I haven't heard that one in awhile. I look forward to comparing it to the Moscow performance form the same year. I have the Living Stage transfer of that one. If not this week, I plan to do so over the weekend.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 21, 2009, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: rubio on January 20, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
I look forward to hear more comments about this set! :)

After hearing the first half of this set, I'd say it's a fairly typical Urania release. The dry as a bone sound ranging from poor to fair/good. The performances are consistent with other early Richter that I have heard - raw, intense and percussive. I need to hear more before I can say if I would recommend it. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 22, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
I've been looking over the available Schubert sonatas by Richter and found that there are three performances that I don't have. They are on two Victor CDs, VICC-60077 and VICC-60076. I imagine they are OOP, so if anyone has them, please PM me? I'd like to make my survey of his Schubert sonatas complete.

They look like this:

60077 (http://www.trovar.com/str/covers/JVC/60077.jpg) and

60076 (http://www.trovar.com/str/covers/JVC/60076.jpg)
                                                                     
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 22, 2009, 07:38:47 PM
I just found this interesting page on Richter recordings.

http://www.culturecatch.com/music/sviatoslav_richter_top_ten_four
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 22, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: George on January 22, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
I've been looking over the available Schubert sonatas by Richter and found that there are three performances that I don't have. They are on two Victor CDs, VICC-60077 and VICC-60076. I imagine they are OOP, so if anyone has them, please PM me? I'd like to make my survey of his Schubert sonatas complete.

I believe you can still find some (many?) of these Victors, but you have to look overseas as this is a Japanese-based company. Maybe HMV Japan or some other Asian site.

Keep a close eye on these Victors, though, as many are merely Olympia/Regis recordings in different garb.

Here's Victor Entertainment (http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/-/Discographylist/A001727.html#album)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 23, 2009, 02:46:59 AM
Quote from: donwyn on January 22, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
I believe you can still find some (many?) of these Victors, but you have to look overseas as this is a Japanese-based company. Maybe HMV Japan or some other Asian site.

Thanks Don!

Quote
Keep a close eye on these Victors, though, as many are merely Olympia/Regis recordings in different garb.

According to Trovar, the two Victors that I listed are supposed to be different performances than their counterparts on other labels.   

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 23, 2009, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: George on January 23, 2009, 02:46:59 AM
According to Trovar, the two Victors that I listed are supposed to be different performances than their counterparts on other labels.   

They certainly look interesting. What's on them?


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 23, 2009, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: donwyn on January 23, 2009, 04:34:33 PM
They certainly look interesting. What's on them?

Between them, they have three Schubert Sonata performances that I have not heard yet.

Munich 23 July 1978 - D566
Munich 23 July 1978 - D625
Munich 23 July 1978 - D664

Not sure what else. PM incoming...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 23, 2009, 07:18:10 PM
I uploaded Richter's live Prague D 960 (my favorite performance of this work) in FLAC format for a friend so I thought I'd post the link here for those who would like to check it out:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166b5ad86680473e6606583907f94eaf5e3

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 24, 2009, 02:22:40 PM
Reviews of D 850

   Prague 14 June 1956 (Praga)
– I also have this performance on Music and Arts, but the high frequencies are less filtered on this CD, so I used it for this review. From the opening chord on, it is impossible to forget that this is early Richter. The percussive tone, the relentless tension and forward momentum all are characteristic of his early performances and this one is no exception. At times the drive was too much and I longed for a bit more relaxed approach. Also, many of the forte chords just sound too loud. The second movement slows things down, but not in the sublime way many of his other Schubert recordings slow things down. His playing is tender and expressive, but certainly not nearly as profound his later recordings of other sonatas would later become. The harsh forte chords unfortunately return as well, this time sounding even more out of place. Third movement brings us back to the tension and drive of the first movement, with a delightfully played playful second subject that provided some balance to the much louder, more boisterous first one. However, the slow central section revealed the poor health of Richter's piano and failed to move me in any way. Thankfully, Richter plays the finale well, beginning with a charming, light, playful style. However, overall this performance does not rate highly with me. I sincerely wish that he had recorded this sonata in the 1960s or 1970s, for I think his playing style from that time would have been better suited for this sonata.   

   Moscow 11 August 1956 (Living Stage) – Sounding a bit more rushed and sloppy than the Prague performance, in worse sound, the first movement here was a disappointment. Since this is the only other available performance of this sonata by the pianist, I was hoping for more. Unfortunately, recorded only two months later than the Prague, it was more of the same, at least in the first movement. Like the Prague, the second movement also revealed issues with the tape/piano. The playing was somewhat better, being more coherent, but still not exactly tender or profound either. Unfortunately, the sound becomes really distorted on the forte chords here and in the next movement, making a subpar interpretation sound worse. The same issue plagues the finale. Overall I prefer the Prague performance for it's less rushed and better played first movement and its better sound.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 24, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bjqDk2AlL._SS400_.jpg)

The Schumann Fantasie on this Supraphon 2008 CD, SU 3795-2, is labeled as being recorded on November 1, 1959. Is this a misprint? There was a Fantasie on Praga from November 2, 1959 and I think they are the same. Does anyone know if they are the same performance?

Here's a link to the CD in question: http://www.amazon.com/Schumann-Fantasie-Waldszenen-Fantasiest%C3%BCcke-Marsch/dp/B0012Y1HQ4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1232855851&sr=8-4

George
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on January 24, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
Perhaps he played through midnight, hence the confusion. I remember there was a Mingus concert (in Paris, I think) which resulted in a simialr mistake.

Just a suggestion, even if unlikely :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 24, 2009, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on January 24, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
Perhaps he played through midnight, hence the confusion. I remember there was a Mingus concert (in Paris, I think) which resulted in a simialr mistake.

Just a suggestion, even if unlikely :)

I hadn't thought of that, but it sounds entirely possible. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 25, 2009, 08:25:33 AM
Quote from: George on January 24, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
The Schumann Fantasie on this Supraphon 2008 CD, SU 3795-2, is labeled as being recorded on November 1, 1959. Is this a misprint? There was a Fantasie on Praga from November 2, 1959 and I think they are the same. Does anyone know if they are the same performance?

It's my understanding they are the same but I can't remember now where I got that information.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 25, 2009, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: George on January 24, 2009, 02:22:40 PM
Reviews of D 850

   

Great George -- I enjoyed those reviews.

I'm sorry that the second movement of the Prague recording doesn't seem to effect you in the same way as it does me -- I was hoping to find a kindred spirit.  :'(

For me each variation seems to express some new, complex, emotion. Your word -- tender -- is spot on.

I've only ever heard three other pianists play this sonata -- Uchida and Kempf and Schnabel. I would argue that Richter is way better than the first two. And I think you just can't compare him with Schnabel -- both great, but incommensurable!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 25, 2009, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: George on January 24, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
The Schumann Fantasie on this Supraphon 2008 CD, SU 3795-2, is labeled as being recorded on November 1, 1959. Is this a misprint? There was a Fantasie on Praga from November 2, 1959 and I think they are the same. Does anyone know if they are the same performance?

George, I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but if you own both recordings try comparing for noises, things like coughs, static, anything. Noises that shows up on both, or don't.

Whatever you find you will be the one to solve the mystery. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 25, 2009, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: donwyn on January 25, 2009, 04:59:24 PM
George, I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but if you own both recordings try comparing for noises, things like coughs, static, anything. Noises that shows up on both, or don't.

Whatever you find you will be the one to solve the mystery. ;D

I checked and because the Supraphon has been completely remastered, it's hard to tell.

(https://secure.wesleyclassics.com.au/library/images/2174112.jpg)

I just grabbed this from MDT for $40.62 shipped. Initially I skipped it because of the price and the fact that I thought that I had most of it. It turns out I only have half of it.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on January 26, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: George on January 25, 2009, 06:27:04 PM
I checked and because the Supraphon has been completely remastered, it's hard to tell.

(https://secure.wesleyclassics.com.au/library/images/2174112.jpg)

I just grabbed this from MDT for $40.62 shipped. Initially I skipped it because of the price and the fact that I thought that I had most of it. It turns out I only have half of it.   
I might be interested in that one myself, depending on your report.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 26, 2009, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: Brian on January 26, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
I might be interested in that one myself, depending on your report.  :)

I can tell you now that at least half of it is excellent, in good to very good sound. The other half I will report on later. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 28, 2009, 06:58:03 AM
Quote from: George on January 25, 2009, 06:27:04 PM
(https://secure.wesleyclassics.com.au/library/images/2174112.jpg)

I just grabbed this from MDT for $40.62 shipped. Initially I skipped it because of the price and the fact that I thought that I had most of it. It turns out I only have half of it.   

Right now at MDT, the above 14 CD EMI Richter set is only $34.76.  The Brilliant box is only $15. Two great bargains!

Link to MDT: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/home/default.asp  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 31, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
(https://secure.wesleyclassics.com.au/library/images/2174112.jpg)

This set arrived today. I just compared this set to duplicate performances (9 CDs) from my collection. There isn't any sound upgrade in the new box. In fact, they all sounded a bit more open (less noise reduction) on the earlier releases. I am still happy to have it for the remaining performances that I didn't already have, though. I wish they had just left the transfers alone, for I could have sold off my old CDs and freed up some shelf space. The notes say that the mastering is not new, but something is definitely different. It's not drastic, but it's there. Perhaps the age of the tapes, who knows.

The liner notes are by none other than Leslie Gerber. Unfortunately, they are only 5 pages long. The CDs come in thin cardboard sleeves that are not unlike the ones used by Brilliant Classics. The sleeves are marked with track listing and composer names on them. The box it comes in is about an inch thick.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 09:33:50 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 26, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
I might be interested in that one myself, depending on your report.  :)

Brian, after hearing three of the 6 CDs that I hadn't heard before from this set (Brahms Lieder, Schubert Trout, Beethoven Spring VS and Mozart VS) I can say grab this set! The performances are excellent and the sound is very good, by Richter standards. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Que on February 02, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
George, here is the listing of that old Philips series.
And, believe it or not: NO indication whatsoever of recording dates & venues! :o ::)

The items in bold are missing from the recent reissue.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4173PTA5KRL._AA240_.jpg)

Brahms
Sonata No. 1 in C Op. 1
Sonata No. 2 in f sharp Op. 2
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 1
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 2
Klavierstücke, Op. 118: No. 3 - Ballade in g
Klavierstücke, Op. 119: No. 4 - Rhapsody in E flat
Fantasien, Op. 116: No. 5 - Intermezzo in e
Klavierstücke, Op. 76: No. 8 - Capriccio in C   

Schumann
Fantasia in C, Op. 17
March in g, Op.76 No. 10
Concert Studies On Caprices by Paginini, Op. 10: no. 4 in c, no. 5 in b, and no. 6 in e
Novellette in F Op. 21 No. 1
Blumenstück, Op. 19
Nachtstücke, Op. 23


Q
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Thanks very much, Que I thought you'd forgotten.  :)

I'll let you know what I turn up. Perhaps donwyn has some info on this.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 02:40:40 PM
Ok, here's what I dug up:

The items in bold are missing from the recent reissue.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4173PTA5KRL._AA240_.jpg)


Schumann
March in g, Op.76 No. 10 - only release of this performance
Concert Studies On Caprices by Paginini - only release of this performance and of this work.
Novellette in F Op. 21 No. 1 - also on Philips 454166, 454170, 462128 and 456549
Blumenstück, Op. 19 - also on Philips 454166, 454169
Nachtstücke, Op. 23 - also on Philips 454166, 454169


(http://www.prokofiev.org/images/covers/rmabry14662.jpg)

This is 454166 (Just as, if not more rare as the above Philips set)  :-\

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Thanks very much, Que I thought you'd forgotten.  :)

I'll let you know what I turn up. Perhaps donwyn has some info on this.

George & Que,

It's my understanding the contents of the Brahms/Schumann set in the old Authorized Edition were all first releases. As the both of you have noted Decca decided (for whatever reason) not to reissue all the material in the Master series. Strange.

The one notorious thing about that old Authorized Edition had to do with the dating of the material. Practically NONE of it was properly dated, or dates were simply omitted. From what I've read Philips queried Richter about it but got nowhere. What I know of the dates I learned from Trovar.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: Que on February 02, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Brahms
Sonata No. 1 in C Op. 1
Sonata No. 2 in f sharp Op. 2
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 1
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 2
Klavierstücke, Op. 118: No. 3 - Ballade in g
Klavierstücke, Op. 119: No. 4 - Rhapsody in E flat
Fantasien, Op. 116: No. 5 - Intermezzo in e
Klavierstücke, Op. 76: No. 8 - Capriccio in C   

Schumann
Fantasia in C, Op. 17
March in g, Op.76 No. 10
Concert Studies On Caprices by Paginini, Op. 10: no. 4 in c, no. 5 in b, and no. 6 in e
Novellette in F Op. 21 No. 1
Blumenstück, Op. 19
Nachtstücke, Op. 23


Q


Que, is Schumann's Toccata Op.7 included in this Philips set?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 02, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
George & Que,

It's my understanding the contents of the Brahms/Schumann set in the old Authorized Edition were all first releases.

Actually, of the works from the Brahms/Schumann 3 CD Authorized set that were not released on the Master series, only two works (the March and the Concert Studies) were first releases, unless those Decca ones came afterwards. I outlined this in my post above.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 02, 2009, 05:58:27 PM
Que, is Schumann's Toccata Op.7 included in this Philips set?

Trovar does not list it as being in that Philips set (catalog no. 438477.)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 06:20:02 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 02:40:40 PM
Ok, here's what I dug up:

The items in bold are missing from the recent reissue.

Schumann
March in g, Op.76 No. 10 - only release of this performance
Concert Studies On Caprices by Paginini - only release of this performance and of this work.
Novellette in F Op. 21 No. 1 - also on Philips 454166, 454170, 462128 and 456549
Blumenstück, Op. 19 - also on Philips 454166, 454169
Nachtstücke, Op. 23 - also on Philips 454166, 454169


(http://www.prokofiev.org/images/covers/rmabry14662.jpg)

This is 454166 (Just as, if not more rare as the above Philips set)  :-\



Yet further intrigue from that Philips Authorized set...

Indeed, George, some of the missing Schumann did see the light of day again. It was re-released as part of that Philips Essentials box which came out a couple of years after the Authorized Edition. It's broken down into five discs each with its own nickname: The Virtuoso, The Poet, The Mystic, The Philosopher, and the Sofia recital.

The Blumenstück Op.19 and Nachtstücke op.23, No.4 are on The Poet (454169), and the Novellette in F, Op.21, No.1 is on The Philosopher (454170).

I actually have this box set. It's very handsome and is useful for a few odds and ends that aren't otherwise in print. But admittedly its only real value to the average consumer is as a supplement to the Authorized (now Master) edition. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
Trovar does not list it as being in that Philips set (catalog no. 438477.)

Hmm, that's odd as it's part of that Philips Essentials box. It's on The Virtuoso (454168).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 02, 2009, 06:20:02 PM
The Blumenstück Op.19 and Nachtstücke op.23, No.4 are on The Poet (454169), and the Novellette in F, Op.21, No.1 is on The Philosopher (454170).

I actually have this box set. It's very handsome and is useful for a few odds and ends that aren't otherwise in print. But admittedly its only real value to the average consumer is as a supplement to the Authorized (now Master) edition. 

Yeah, no real value. I'll take it off your hands for $20.  ;D

Seriously, nice detective work there.  :)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 06:01:28 PM
Actually, of the works from the Brahms/Schumann 3 CD Authorized set that were not released on the Master series, only two works (the March and the Concert Studies) were first releases, unless those Decca ones came afterwards. I outlined this in my post above.

The ones on Decca are different performances. They were released in the mid-90s and were not part of the Philips Authorized set. More CD hunting! ;D


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/9c/97/64da7220eca07c729f058010.L.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 02, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
The ones on Decca are different performances. They were released in the mid-90s and were not part of the Philips Authorized set. More CD hunting! ;D

When I said Decca I meant Philips, my bad.

Man, Richter's discography is enough to give a guy a headache.  :o 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 06:29:54 PM
Yeah, no real value. I'll take it off your hands for $20.  ;D

Seriously, nice detective work there.  :)

Thanks. :) Interestingly enough I just discovered where that Toccata on The Virtuoso came from. It's exclusive to this box! :o

Sorry, George, this box now has value. ;D

EDIT: Just realized I made an error. This Toccata was actually included in the Authorized Edition but it could only be had as part of that freebie disc which was only available if one sprang for the entire 21 CD box set. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 02, 2009, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 02, 2009, 06:46:59 PM
Thanks. :) Interestingly enough I just discovered where that Toccata on The Virtuoso came from. It's exclusive to this box! :o

Sorry, George, this box now has value. ;D

Can't blame a guy for tryin'  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
When I said Decca I meant Philips, my bad.

Oh, then, yes, the other Philips releases you listed (in parenthesis) all came after the Authorized Edition. Which makes those three Schumann works from the Authorized Edition first issues. 

QuoteMan, Richter's discography is enough to give a guy a headache.  :o 

It's mind-twisting, for sure.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 02, 2009, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: George on February 02, 2009, 06:47:51 PM
Can't blame a guy for tryin'  ;D

;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Que on February 02, 2009, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 02, 2009, 05:58:27 PM
Que, is Schumann's Toccata Op.7 included in this Philips set?

Nope... :)

Q
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 12, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
Just found out all of Richter's DG recordings will be released in a 9CD box set in May:


SVIATOSLAV RICHTER
Complete Deutsche Grammophon
Solo & Concerto Recordings
CD |A|D|D| 477 8122 |G|B 9|
9 Compact Discs
Int. Release 04 May. 2009
9 CDs

Doesn't he have more than 9 discs worth of stuff on the label? I own 7 of his DG CDs and I know that there's gotta be more than just two I am missing.

At any rate, very good news for new collectors of the pianist.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on February 13, 2009, 06:43:56 AM
Interesting. But remastered or repackaged, I wonder?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 13, 2009, 06:46:39 AM
Quote from: Renfield on February 13, 2009, 06:43:56 AM
Interesting. But remastered or repackaged, I wonder?

I would imagine both.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on February 13, 2009, 06:52:22 AM
Quote from: George on February 13, 2009, 06:46:39 AM
I would imagine both.

I would hope so!

I think I have 5 of his DGG discs, so maybe it might be worth it. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 13, 2009, 07:05:27 AM
Quote from: Renfield on February 13, 2009, 06:52:22 AM
I would hope so!

I think I have 5 of his DGG discs, so maybe it might be worth it. :)

I have almost all of them, but if they include some rarities, I'll grab it. I bet they won't though, they didn't for the Argerich set.  :-\

Here's a link to all of the DG stuff (http://trovar.com/str/covers/DGG.html)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: George on February 12, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
Just found out all of Richter's DG recordings will be released in a 9CD box set in May:


SVIATOSLAV RICHTER
Complete Deutsche Grammophon
Solo & Concerto Recordings
CD |A|D|D| 477 8122 |G|B 9|
9 Compact Discs
Int. Release 04 May. 2009
9 CDs

Doesn't he have more than 9 discs worth of stuff on the label? I own 7 of his DG CDs and I know that there's gotta be more than just two I am missing.

At any rate, very good news for new collectors of the pianist.

This is a set for my collection ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 13, 2009, 09:36:17 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
This is a set for my collection ...

I figured that you would want it.  8)

Like I said, I think I already have most of it, I think I'm just missing 1 or 2 discs. I don't know which two, though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: George on February 13, 2009, 09:36:17 AM
I figured that you would want it.  8)

Like I said, I think I already have most of it, I think I'm just missing 1 or 2 discs. I don't know which two, though.

I think the 14-CD Richter's set on EMI may arrive today or tomorrow since the 10-CD Buchbinder's set on Complete Haydn Piano Sonatas arrived yesterday.  That set was shipped around the same time as the Richter's set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on February 13, 2009, 11:06:32 AM
please let us know how you like Buchbinder's Haydn (in the Haydn Keyboard Sonatas thread).

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,10864.0.html
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: Herman on February 13, 2009, 11:06:32 AM
please let us know how you like Buchbinder's Haydn (in the Haydn Keyboard Sonatas thread).

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,10864.0.html

No problems.  It will be at least a few days before I even attempt to start playing the set.  As I have over 100 new CD's I have yet to play, I probably wil not get to this set for the next day or two.  I too am curious about Haydn Piano Sonatas, as this is my very first set ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 13, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Update:

All of Richter's DG recordings will be released in a 9CD box set in May:

SVIATOSLAV RICHTER
Complete Deutsche Grammophon
Solo & Concerto Recordings
CD |A|D|D| 477 8122 |G|B 9|
9 Compact Discs
Int. Release 04 May. 2009
9 CDs

I just heard that these 9 CDs will be configured like the Argerich DG box, replicating the original LP releases. The box will only contain previously released performances.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: George on February 13, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Update:

All of Richter's DG recordings will be released in a 9CD box set in May:

SVIATOSLAV RICHTER
Complete Deutsche Grammophon
Solo & Concerto Recordings
CD |A|D|D| 477 8122 |G|B 9|
9 Compact Discs
Int. Release 04 May. 2009
9 CDs

I just heard that these 9 CDs will be configured like the Argerich DG box, replicating the original LP releases.

Perhaps with the original and individualized jackets, which are what the Martha Argerich's recent set has ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 13, 2009, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
Perhaps with the original and individualized jackets, which are what the Martha Argerich's recent set has ...

Probably.

Oh yeah, forgot to add that evrything in the box has been released before.  :(
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: George on February 13, 2009, 04:36:50 PM
Probably.

Oh yeah, forgot to add that evrything in the box has been released before.  :(

I think I should forget about buying any Richter's single DG CD's and wait for this set ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Kuhlau on February 14, 2009, 04:37:34 AM
Richter fans might want to pop across the road to CMG (or over to YouTube) for this (http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26671).

FK
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 05:53:01 AM
Quote from: Kuhlau on February 14, 2009, 04:37:34 AM
Richter fans might want to pop across the road to CMG (or over to YouTube) for this (http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26671).

FK

A great film that should be owned by every Richterphile.  :) Alas, I could never find it in a DVD for my region.

Thanks FK, here's the direct youtube link, for better video quality (can be made full screen): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRpQKQ7lGFc&feature=related

Tony
, can you remind me what is the way to improve the SQ on youtube stuff? I think you add something to the end of the url, correct?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 06:38:43 AM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 05:53:01 AM
A great film that should be owned by every Richterphile.  :) Alas, I could never find it in a DVD for my region.


Really, those (Sviatoslav) Richter's DVD's are only released in the PAL format?  In general, I can find much better prices for music DVD stateside.  I have a growing collection of DVD's of concerts by Karajan, Harnoncourt, Gardiner and (Karl) Richter.  They are fun to watch and nice diversion to listening to only audio ...

BTW, I found out that my external HP optical drive can actually play DVD in PAL format.  I believe you are allowed to change the settings US vs. non-US up to a certain number of times on the optical drive.  This also means you can watch the DVD on your computer, but not on your regular TV.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 14, 2009, 11:39:18 AM
Best to watch the Richter film here: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=richter+enigma&emb=0&aq=f#q=sviatoslav+richter+enigma&emb=0

On google video someone has uploaded the whole thing without a break.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 14, 2009, 11:39:18 AM
Best to watch the Richter film here: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=richter+enigma&emb=0&aq=f#q=sviatoslav+richter+enigma&emb=0

On google video someone has uploaded the whole thing without a break.

Google will probably remove it before long.  I think google will tolerate snippets but not anything that is full-length and copy-right protected material.  I have seen Karajan's Overture to Tannhauser removed from YouTube a few months ago ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on February 14, 2009, 12:50:31 PM
9 box set - here is what I got from trawling the arkiv site

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z6V7Q6VKL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/thumb/92/929377.jpg)(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/thumb/25/255362.JPG%5Bimg%5D%5Bimg%5Dhttp://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/thumb/01/13389.jpg)(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/thumb/21/216363.JPG) (http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/thumb/04/43456.jpg) (http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/non-muze/thumb/DG423573.jpg)(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/thumb/101/1012191.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z7RAZ2N5L._SL160_AA115_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61AktiFaUXL._SL160_AA115_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NTH7VB90L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21MN7TT2FEL._SL500_AA130_.jpg)

As you can see there is a lot of overlap here and I don't think they'll include anything outside of the concerti and solo works. I'm also struggling to see how they can fill up 9 CDs

this  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NJK08RW2L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)   might give the best indication of what will be included.

When you think about it, there is far more stuff, individually on a number of other labels and really, DGGs recordings are limited.

Can you think of anything I've missed?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 01:06:39 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 13, 2009, 05:09:21 PM
I think I should forget about buying any Richter's single DG CD's and wait for this set ...

If DG follows what it did with the Martha Argerich's set, it may just release the 9 CD's in the same grouping as the original CD's/LP's and adopt the same album jackets.  But will this approach result in some very short programs on some CD's?  I do not know since I do not own any DG CD's or LP's by Richter.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
Quote from: Holden on February 14, 2009, 12:50:31 PM
9 box set - here is what I got from trawling the arkiv site

As you can see there is a lot of overlap here and I don't think they'll include anything outside of the concerti and solo works. I'm also struggling to see how they can fill up 9 CDs

Deacon at rmcr said that the CDs won't be filled, they will be LP replicas like the Argerich set.

QuoteWhen you think about it, there is far more stuff, individually on a number of other labels and really, DGGs recordings are limited.

Can you think of anything I've missed?

The Prokofiev PC 5, PS 8.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
Deacon at rmcr said that the CDs won't be filled, they will be LP replicas like the Argerich set.

The Prokofiev PC 5, PS 8.

I will follow the lead of the fearless leader since I am a newbie Richterite ...  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on February 14, 2009, 01:23:25 PM
Hi George, stick this on the end of YT vids for improved sound: &fmt=18
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on February 14, 2009, 01:23:25 PM
Hi George, stick this on the end of YT vids for improved sound: &fmt=18

Thanks Tony!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
I will follow the lead of the fearless leader since I am a newbie Richterite ...  ;D

One of the two DG CDs I am missing is on amazon for $130!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
One of the two DG CDs I am missing is on amazon for $130!

You will be better off just buying the 9-CD set since the set will not cost you $130.  All you will be missing is the original CD artwork ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 01:38:59 PM
You will be better off just buying the 9-CD set since the set will not cost you $130.  All you will be missing is the original CD artwork ...

I might skip both, actually.  :o
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 14, 2009, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 01:45:25 PM
I might skip both, actually.  :o

It is a no-brainer decision for me since I do not have any of his recordings on DG anyway.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 14, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
Deacon at rmcr said that the CDs won't be filled, they will be LP replicas like the Argerich set.

How idiotic. As if replicating the original LPs means anything to us now. "Look Ma, DG reissued all the original Richter LPs, only in tiny, silverized form!!"

I'd like to get my hands on the marketing chimp who came up with that one. Anything to get as much $$ as possible. ::)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 14, 2009, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
One of the two DG CDs I am missing is on amazon for $130!

Which one?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 14, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
How idiotic. As if replicating the original LPs means anything to us now. "Look Ma, DG reissued all the original Richter LPs, only in tiny, silverized form!!"

I'd like to get my hands on the marketing chimp who came up with that one. Anything to get as much $$ as possible. ::)

If the chimp was a little smarter, he would have iuncluded a disc or two of unreleased Richter performances. Then the things would have sold like bananas at lunchtime over at Universal.  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 14, 2009, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
If the chimp was a little smarter, he would have iuncluded a disc or two of unreleased Richter performances. Then the things would have sold like bananas at lunchtime over at Universal.  ;D

THAT would've been a lot smarter!

We'd all be putty in DG's hands. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 14, 2009, 04:38:39 PM
THAT would've been a lot smarter!

We'd all be putty in DG's hands. ;D

In a way, we are better off. That money can be spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 14, 2009, 04:33:51 PM
Which one?

The Dieskau CD, Schubert. I think Holden posted another Dieskau disc, too. I don't have that, either.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 14, 2009, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 04:43:46 PM
The Dieskau CD, Schubert. I think Holden posted another Dieskau disc, too. I don't have that, either.

:o

Wow, didn't realize Richter's lieder recordings were in such high demand.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 14, 2009, 04:57:56 PM
:o

Wow, didn't realize Richter's lieder recordings were in such high demand.

It was $15 a week or two ago.  ???

Actually, I have the other Dieskau (Wolf Lieder) ordered already, so I think I just need that Schubert one.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 14, 2009, 05:14:03 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
In a way, we are better off. That money can be spent elsewhere.

What I'd really like to see is some enterprising company come in and uncover more of Richter's Ravel. In good sound.

Little of his Ravel exists on record (mainstream) and what there is is either in poor sound (Praga's Valses nobles et sentimentales is one of poorest sounding recordings in all Richter's discography) or Richter is past his prime (some of the Live Classics recordings from the early-mid 90s, which ironically are in superlative sound).

I won't hold my breath. :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 14, 2009, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: George on February 14, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
It was $15 a week or two ago.  ???

Actually, I have the other Dieskau (Wolf Lieder) ordered already, so I think I just need that Schubert one.

That's a corner of Richter's discography I know nothing about. Years ago I owned his Philips recording of Winterreise w/ Schreier but (stupidly) sold it off. I can't even remember why, now. ::)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on February 15, 2009, 06:58:08 AM
Quote from: donwyn on February 14, 2009, 05:14:03 PM
What I'd really like to see is some enterprising company come in and uncover more of Richter's Ravel. In good sound.

Little of his Ravel exists on record (mainstream) and what there is is either in poor sound (Praga's Valses nobles et sentimentales is one of poorest sounding recordings in all Richter's discography) or Richter is past his prime (some of the Live Classics recordings from the early-mid 90s, which ironically are in superlative sound).

I won't hold my breath. :-\

And don't forget 'miroirs' from the Praga set, stunning!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: donwyn on February 14, 2009, 05:14:03 PM
What I'd really like to see is some enterprising company come in and uncover more of Richter's Ravel. In good sound.

Little of his Ravel exists on record (mainstream) and what there is is either in poor sound (Praga's Valses nobles et sentimentales is one of poorest sounding recordings in all Richter's discography) or Richter is past his prime (some of the Live Classics recordings from the early-mid 90s, which ironically are in superlative sound).

I won't hold my breath. :-\

As I'm sure Drasko will tell you, there is a fine-sounding recording of the Valses from a live 1973 Tokyo recital available here

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2628996
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 15, 2009, 07:28:19 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 07:16:52 AM
As I'm sure Drasko will tell you, there is a fine-sounding recording of the Valses from a live 1973 Tokyo recital available here

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2628996


But donwyn was talking about Richter.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 08:11:53 AM
lol! well I'm getting older. I've had a lot of Michelangeli in the ears lately as well. I suppose it was the bold mention of Valses which triggered that
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 12:16:25 PM
nothing special there (http://operawebclub.com/papageno/style_emoticons/default/good.gif)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on February 15, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: James on February 15, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Sviatoslav Richter: Chopin Étude Op.25 No.11 (4'08)
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/fym7EOV5f1A

Quote from: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 12:16:25 PM
nothing special there (http://operawebclub.com/papageno/style_emoticons/default/good.gif)

Correct order of things restored  $:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 15, 2009, 12:35:08 PM
I dig the same work on the Praga CD with Scriabin.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 15, 2009, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Peregrine on February 15, 2009, 06:58:08 AM
And don't forget 'miroirs' from the Praga set, stunning!

Yes, isn't the playing marvelous? If only the sound were up to scratch. :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 15, 2009, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 07:16:52 AM
As I'm sure Drasko will tell you, there is a fine-sounding recording of the Valses from a live 1973 Tokyo recital available here

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2628996


Thanks. I'd be tempted if it weren't from HMV Japan. Importing from Asia can cost a bundle for us Stateside.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on February 15, 2009, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Drasko on February 15, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
Correct order of things restored  $:)

Thanks for that, otherwise it looks like I'm talking to myself  ::)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 20, 2009, 09:30:38 AM
Review of Schubert's Piano Sonata D 845 (there is only one commercially released performance of this work by the pianist)

   Moscow 2 March 1957 (Living Stage) – I also have this performance on Urania (marked incorrectly as D 850 on the artwork and CD) but the Living Stage has slightly better sound, so I used that one for this review. As with the D 850, the D 845 finds Richter in an austere, even harsh mood. This is not helped by the dry, cold sound evoked by the recording. Close miking only serves to intensify the harshness of forte passages, though it does help to capture all of the quiet moments well in this work. These quiet moments had a great mystery to them and provided a nice contrast to the more extrovert passages. Richter seemed to play better as he went on in this work, the second movement was so much more playful and lighter in mood that one would swear another pianist had stepped in. The finale was particularly fine, saving an otherwise marginal performance. Though I am sure that this is not the greatest recording ever made of this sonata, I do find it to be recommendable.

   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 03:45:26 PM
Any new details regarding that upcoming 9-CD box set release from DG this fall?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 21, 2009, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 03:45:26 PM
Any new details regarding that upcoming 9-CD box set release from DG this fall?

Not that I have heard. You can keep an eye on this topic (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/browse_thread/thread/a3cc340a48f2da0f) to see if more info surfaces. BTW, the set comes out May 3, 2009. Not in the Fall. 

Also on the DG site. (http://www2.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/result?COMP_ID=&ALBUM_TYPE=&SearchString=&ART_ID=RICSV&javascript=1&start=21&IN_XXSERIES=&y=3&x=18&total=22)

Here's the cover:

(http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s300x300/4778122.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 21, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
"Pianist of the century"?

That's pretty far-reaching for such a tiny box (nine CDs). More like 100 CDs and then we'd be getting close (I can dream 8)).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 21, 2009, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 21, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
"Pianist of the century"?

That's pretty far-reaching for such a tiny box (nine CDs). More like 100 CDs and then we'd be getting close (I can dream 8)).

Well, they don't say "Box of the Century," it's called "Pianist of the Century." I can't disagree.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 21, 2009, 07:13:15 PM
 ;D True!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 21, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
"Pianist of the century"?

That's pretty far-reaching for such a tiny box (nine CDs). More like 100 CDs and then we'd be getting close (I can dream 8)).

I think this is an appropriate accolade.  There are no pianists, living or dead, who have had as wide a repertoire as Richter's, from baroque to classical to romantic.  Glenn Gould might have excelled at Bach but I am not impressed with his performance of Beethoven or Chopin.  Emil Gilels were excellent at Beethoven but he had never recorded any WTC.  Richter seemed to excel in just about any keyboard works.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 21, 2009, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 07:36:06 PM
I think this is an appropriate accolade.

Oh, I think so, too. 

QuoteThere are no pianists, living or dead, who have had as wide a repertoire as Richter's, from baroque to classical to romantic.

You touch on the very issue I have with this box. DG is shooting for the marketing stars with this title but no matter how it's intended the title is misleading. I don't know of any nine CDs (in reality only about six CDs) that could even begin to adequately represent Richter's art. It would take a couple dozen just to get out of the starting gate!

The choice of title seeks to fabricate myth based on what shards are in DG's catalog. DG thinks they can get away with it since Richter is such a known commodity but they forget they're merely one tiny cog in the Richter machine. They play their part but they're hardly in a position to trumpet "Richter is the pianist of the century and here we have all the proof!!"

Place this DG box in the context of the REST of Richter's enormous output and THAT is the true picture of Richter.

DG might better title this box "Herein can be found a small sampling from a great pianist. Give it a whirl".
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 21, 2009, 09:05:48 PM
Oh, I think so, too. 

You touch on the very issue I have with this box. DG is shooting for the marketing stars with this title but no matter how it's intended the title is misleading. I don't know of any nine CDs that could even begin to adequately represent Richter's art. It would take a couple dozen just to get out of the starting gate!


As a matter of fact, did Richter ever record any Bach keyboard works for DG?  I have his WTC on RCA Gold Seal, which is an excellent set in my opinion.  I agree with you there that DG really does not have all the goods to make its case.  Perhaps it should have licensed some of Richter's recordings from BMG/RCA?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 21, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
As a matter of fact, did Richter ever record any Bach keyboard works for DG?

He did. He recorded a small selection from WTC. All live from an Italian tour.

QuotePerhaps it should have licensed some of Richter's recordings from BMG/RCA?

BMG I agree with since no one else seems interested in keeping these recordings in print. Melodiya actually owns the copyright to that old BMG edition and has just recently decided to reissued a few of these recordings independent of BMG (I guess the joint venture is now dissolved) but sadly it's hardly comprehensive. 

RCA would be tough as they seem intent on reissuing all their Richter material themselves.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 10:03:25 PM
Quote from: donwyn on February 21, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
He did. He recorded a small selection from WTC. All live from an Italian tour.

BMG I agree with since no one else seems interested in keeping these recordings in print. Melodiya actually owns the copyright to that old BMG edition and has just recently decided to reissued a few of these recordings independent of BMG (I guess the joint venture is now dissolved) but sadly it's hardly comprehensive. 

RCA would be tough as they seem intent on reissuing all their Richter material themselves.

First of all, BMG and RCA are basically one company and didn't BMG and Sony merge their respective music business in some capacity a while back?  At this point, Sony itself is in the worst shape it has been in years, it is not clear whether its deeply troubled (audio/video/playstation) hardware business will affect how it executes its music business.  As such, it is not clear if RCA necessarily has a clear vision as to what it needs to do to market some of its valuable assets such as the Richter material.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 21, 2009, 10:30:14 PM
Quote from: James on February 15, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
Great performance...

Sviatoslav Richter: Chopin Étude Op.25 No.11 (4'08)
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/fym7EOV5f1A

Richter in Winter Winds is posibly my favourite performance of any pianist in any fast Chopin Etude. I mean the one in the Praga box -- but the one on the video is pretty damn fine.

Sometimes I get disappointed by Richter's Chopin beacause it is a bit too extrovert for my tastes -- not enough melancholy. But in  Op.25 No.11 he's king.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on February 21, 2009, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: George on February 21, 2009, 05:59:33 PM
Well, they don't say "Box of the Century," it's called "Pianist of the Century." I can't disagree.  8)

This is all Richter ever recorded with DG. He was not on their regular roster of pianists and a number of the recordings happened to coincide with other events. Checking Richter's DG Discography (briefly) shows that he basically recorded with DG between 1956 and 1962 (the Triple Concerto with HvK in 69 being an exception). Furthermore, the majority of those performances were recorded outside of Germany and a number are live. Let's face it, DGG just didn't cut it for Richter.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 22, 2009, 04:31:50 AM
Quote from: Holden on February 21, 2009, 10:54:40 PM
This is all Richter ever recorded with DG. He was not on their regular roster of pianists and a number of the recordings happened to coincide with other events. Checking Richter's DG Discography (briefly) shows that he basically recorded with DG between 1956 and 1962 (the Triple Concerto with HvK in 69 being an exception).

That Triple Concerto was actually on EMI, or did he record it twice?

As for the 1956 to 1962 point, those were great years for the pianist IMO, but yeah, 9CDs only scratches the surface. Like I said earlier, I don't think I will will be getting this set as I already have all of the DG material except for that one Schubert lieder CD with Dieskau.   



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 22, 2009, 04:38:38 AM
Quote from: George on February 22, 2009, 04:31:50 AM
That Triple Concerto was actually on EMI, or did he record it twice?

As for the 1956 to 1962 point, those were great years for the pianist IMO, but yeah, 9CDs only scratches the surface. Like I said earlier, I don't think I will will be getting this set as I already have all of the DG material except for that one Schubert lieder CD with Dieskau.   


I will definitely go for the set since I currently have no DG recordings by Richter.  This will at least spare me the time from having to hunt down the individual recordings ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 22, 2009, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 10:03:25 PM
First of all, BMG and RCA are basically one company...

Yes, but RCA still retains the rights to its own recordings and continues to release them under the RCA banner. BMG didn't always own RCA.

Whereas BMG proper apparently has nothing to show for its short-term partnership with Melodiya. Which makes sense as these recordings were Melodiya originals anyway (there were no new recordings under this partnership). BMG just came in and helped streamline things for Melodiya in the tumultuous days following the fall of communism. It was a very timely venture for both companies.

QuoteAs such, it is not clear if RCA necessarily has a clear vision as to what it needs to do to market some of its valuable assets such as the Richter material.

Well, that's not exactly true. As far as Richter, RCA's vision since the LP days has been to keep pretty much everything they own in print. There have been lapses from time to time but here in the CD era practically everything in RCA's stable is in print (some Beethoven and Chopin excepted).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 22, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
So which labels have the most extensive recordings of Sviatoslav Richter on tapes in the vault?  If it is not DG, is it EMI, or is it Melodyia (spl??)?
But the SQ of Melodyia cannot be trusted.  No? 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 22, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 22, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
So which labels have the most extensive recordings of Sviatoslav Richter on tapes in the vault?  If it is not DG, is it EMI, or is it Melodyia (spl??)?
But the SQ of Melodyia cannot be trusted.  No? 

It's spread out, Melodiya, Praga, EMI, Parnassus, ankh, etc...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 22, 2009, 06:23:51 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 22, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
So which labels have the most extensive recordings of Sviatoslav Richter on tapes in the vault?  If it is not DG, is it EMI, or is it Melodyia (spl??)?

Well, it's complicated. 0:)

Let me try this:

Think of a tree. Melodiya is the trunk. The branches represent all the pirate labels that have pilfered from Melodiya's trunk (stash of recordings) over the years. These include: Urania, Yedang, Russian Revelation, Russian Disc, and a gaggle of others.

Think of another tree. The BBC is the trunk. The branches represent all the pirate labels that have pilfered from the BBC's trunk over the years. These include: Music & Arts, AS Disc, Historical Performers, Memories, and a gaggle of others.

Think of yet another tree. The bootleg recordings are the trunk. The branches represent all the pirate labels willing to issue bootlegged recordings. These include: Intaglio, Icone, Memoria, Multisonic, and a gaggle of others.

And on and on.

Keep in mind there's no rhyme or reason to the above illustration and there are plenty of instances where branches from one tree siphon off from one or more of the other trees (is there no honor among trees?! ;)).

And this is just on CD.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on February 22, 2009, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: George on February 22, 2009, 04:31:50 AM
That Triple Concerto was actually on EMI, or did he record it twice?

Ah, the power of assumption. I don't own that recording and naturally assumed that HvK would have recorded with DG (he certainly did in 1970).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 05, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
New Richter Series on Naxos begins with this CD, available 3/30/09, already listed at MDT: (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/product/product.asp?ctgry=NR_April09&prod=8111352)

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/8111352.jpg)

SVIATOSLAV RICHTER (1915-1997)

Early Recordings Vol. 1

1948-1956 Recordings



Franz SCHUBERT (1797-1828);

Moments musicaux, Op. 94, D. 780:

No. 1 in C major Recorded in Moscow, 1952

Impromptu, Op. 90, D. 899: No. 2 in E flat major Recorded in Moscow, 1950

Impromptu, Op. 142, D. 935: No. 2 in A flat major Recorded in Moscow in 1952


Fryderyk CHOPIN (1810-1849):

12 Etudes, Op. 25: No. 5 in E minor Recorded in Moscow in 1952


Robert SCHUMANN (1810-1856):

Fantasiestücke, Op. 12 (excerpts): No. 1. Des Abends

No. 2. Aufschwung; No. 3.Warum?

No. 5. In der Nacht; No. 8. Ende vom Lied Recorded in Moscow in 1948


Robert SCHUMANN:

Humoreske in B flat major, Op. 20 Recorded in Moscow in 1956


Producer and Audio Restoration Engineer: Ward Marston

"In these recordings, the earliest of which were made after he had won joint first prize at the All- Union Piano Competition in Moscow, Richter's dazzling technique, fluency of execution and seamless legato are already to the fore."

"His 1948 recording of the Fantasiestücke, Op. 12, is here reissued for the first time since the original 78rpm issue."

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on March 05, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
Zoinks!  :o

Also, I thought Ward Marston and Naxos had parted ways ... glad this is not the case.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 05, 2009, 07:06:50 PM
Quote from: Brian on March 05, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
Zoinks!  :o

Also, I thought Ward Marston and Naxos had parted ways ... glad this is not the case.

Me too, Brian.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 05, 2009, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: George on March 05, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
New Richter Series on Naxos begins with this CD, available 3/30/09.


Perfect timing for my birthday.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 06, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
(http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s300x300/4778122.jpg)


Tracklisting is now available on the above 9CD set. It's due out May 4, 2009. They have decided to omit the lieder CDs:

http://www2.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/result?SearchString=sviatoslav+richter+477+8122
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on March 06, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: George on March 06, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
(http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s300x300/4778122.jpg)


Tracklisting is now available on the above 9CD set. It's due out May 4, 2009. They have decided to omit the lieder CDs:

http://www2.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/result?SearchString=sviatoslav+richter+477+8122

Maybe Amazon will offer a nice price for this set with free shipping just as it did with Martha Argerich's Solo set ...   ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 06, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on March 06, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
Maybe Amazon will offer a nice price for this set with free shipping just as it did with Martha Argerich's Solo set ...   ;D

I won't be getting it, as I have all but two performances from that set already. I bet JandR's price on this one will be competitive, as they put all new releases on sale. I prefer to get box sets from brick and mortar stores, as they can so easily get damaged in shipping.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on March 06, 2009, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: George on March 05, 2009, 07:06:50 PM
Me too, Brian.  :)
Just did some looking around Naxos' website. It seems they are roughly simultaneously (over the course of a few months) launching three new historical piano series: Richter "The Early Recordings," Gilels "The Early Recordings," and Rachmaninov "The Complete Solo Recordings." And all three projects are to be helmed by Ward Marston.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: The new erato on March 07, 2009, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 05, 2009, 08:37:55 PM
Perfect timing for my birthday.
My birthday as well. And Eric Claptons IIRC.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 07, 2009, 03:38:12 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 06, 2009, 07:54:12 PM
Just did some looking around Naxos' website. It seems they are roughly simultaneously (over the course of a few months) launching three new historical piano series: Richter "The Early Recordings," Gilels "The Early Recordings," and Rachmaninov "The Complete Solo Recordings." And all three projects are to be helmed by Ward Marston.

Thansk for the info, Brian. Seems strange, as Marston has already mastered the Rachmaninov complete solo recordings. At any rate, its great news to hear that Marston will be working for Naxos.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: The new erato on March 07, 2009, 06:11:09 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 06, 2009, 07:54:12 PM
Just did some looking around Naxos' website. It seems they are roughly simultaneously (over the course of a few months) launching three new historical piano series: Richter "The Early Recordings," Gilels "The Early Recordings," and Rachmaninov "The Complete Solo Recordings." And all three projects are to be helmed by Ward Marston.
And they've just launched Michelangeli vol 1.  Seems like the remastering studios are working overtime while they're waiting for the expected copyright extension to 95 years....
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 08, 2009, 11:08:19 AM
Continuing in my backwards-chronological survey of the available Richter Schubert sonatas, today I listened to two recordings of:

D 840

   Paris 19-20 October 1961 (Monitor)
– This recording, the earliest of two that Richter made of this work, was made in a studio in Paris. The sound is better than I expected, with enough hiss to ensure that the tapes were not remastered or filtered. Unfortunately the miking was set up too close, as some of the forte chords distort, but this does not present a problem for most of the performance. The first movement begins gently, in a tranquil mood. Richter's conception of this work is clear and presented as such. The second movement improves on this, Richter's tone is gorgeous and his playing amongst the best of his Schubert recordings. He chooses, as he does with his later live recording, to include the two incomplete movements. The third movement did not come off too well for me, I am not sure if this is the fault of the composer or the pianist. The finale was much better, with an extremely catchy rhythm. Richter's intensity builds until the final incomplete measures, where he just stops. I found this effect to be quite sad, though I am grateful that he decided to record the two incomplete movements.

   Salzburg 27 November 1979 – Moving from the studio to a live venue 18 years later, Richter shows a clear difference, not to mention improvement, in approach. Here he benefits from more distant miking that is capable of capturing his immense dynamic range and fairly modern recorded sound. His tempo is slower than his previous recording in the first movement, in fact over 3 minutes slower, something that results in progress from his beautiful 1961 recording to this gorgeously sublime one. In fact, I barely wrote any notes for this movement, for his playing was spellbinding and his tone was delicious, captured wonderfully by the engineers. Luckily, the audience was barely noticeable and was likely as captivated as I was. The second movement is played at a very similar tempo to the 1961 performance, but here Richter's playing is again more special, perhaps a result of the 18 years of experience that separates them. By turns he is tender, playful, fierce and joyful, Richter is impressive to listen to here. In the third movement, he speeds things up by a full minute and a half compared to his 1961 recording, though it does not sound rushed at all. The movement comes off much better in fact, sounding more musical and less repetitive than before. The finale might sound a bit less technically secure than the 1961 performance, but at this point I might be splitting hairs. Overall, a superb performance and my recommendation for the best version of this sonata as played by Richter. It is currently available in the Master Series on Decca.     
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 08, 2009, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: George on March 08, 2009, 11:08:19 AM
Continuing in my backwards-chronological survey of the available Richter Schubert sonatas, today I listened to two recordings of:

D 840


   Salzburg 27 November 1979 . . .  Overall, a superb performance and my recommendation for the best version of this sonata as played by Richter.

Yeah -- that performance is one of the best piano recordings of all time I think. 

You used to get it coupled with an outstanding Winterreisse with Peter Schreier.


I remember hearing it for the first time -- over 20 years ago -- and being amazed that any pianist could be so hypnotic and intense. And he gets such beautiful sounds out of the instrument.

How I wish I could have seen him play Schubert.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 08, 2009, 12:36:02 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 08, 2009, 12:24:50 PM
How I wish I could have seen him play Schubert.

That would be heaven.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on March 08, 2009, 11:37:19 PM
Quote from: George on March 05, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
New Richter Series on Naxos begins with this CD, available 3/30/09, already listed at MDT: (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/product/product.asp?ctgry=NR_April09&prod=8111352)

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/8111352.jpg)

Robert SCHUMANN:

Humoreske in B flat major, Op. 20 Recorded in Moscow in 1956


I thought that that's the one on Parnassus but it's not as that one was from '55. The Trover discography is a bit confusing about this, implying that there are two '56 recordings available. Either way I have heard the one on Parnassus and it's definitely worth hearing Richter play this as there isn't a later recording available (I wonder why he dropped it?).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on March 09, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on February 21, 2009, 07:36:06 PM
I think this is an appropriate accolade.  There are no pianists, living or dead, who have had as wide a repertoire as Richter's, from baroque to classical to romantic.  Glenn Gould might have excelled at Bach but I am not impressed with his performance of Beethoven or Chopin.  Emil Gilels were excellent at Beethoven but he had never recorded any WTC.  Richter seemed to excel in just about any keyboard works.

"Pianist of the Century" is what one can expect from a marketing dept in a troubled industry. However music lovers should avoid thinking in these toxic terms. Richter is one of my reference pianists in a lot of repertoire, but I'm certainly not going to put all other pianists on a lower level just because they are not this mythic figure Richter.

Having a large repertoire doesn't have to be a good thing. Vladimir Ashkenazy has recorded as big a repertoire as Richter, and it's one of the reasons his reputation has suffered. There a couple spots in the repertoire which Richter has performed without adding much.

And worse, by repeating the "Richter is the Greatest" mantra over and over, people will tell themselves everything Richter does is exemplary. His ultra-slow Schubert D960 may be interesting (personally I cannot stand it), but it should certianly not serve as a reference recording: it bears no resemblance whatsoever with what the composer heard when he composed this sonata.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 09, 2009, 02:28:31 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on March 08, 2009, 11:37:19 PM
I thought that that's the one on Parnassus but it's not as that one was from '55. The Trover discography is a bit confusing about this, implying that there are two '56 recordings available. Either way I have heard the one on Parnassus and it's definitely worth hearing Richter play this as there isn't a later recording available (I wonder why he dropped it?).

Yes, it is clear that Trovar is long overdue for an update.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on March 09, 2009, 04:27:16 AM
Quote from: Herman on March 09, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
"Pianist of the Century" is what one can expect from a marketing dept in a troubled industry. However music lovers should avoid thinking in these toxic terms. Richter is one of my reference pianists in a lot of repertoire, but I'm certainly not going to put all other pianists on a lower level just because they are not this mythic figure Richter.

Having a large repertoire doesn't have to be a good thing. Vladimir Ashkenazy has recorded as big a repertoire as Richter, and it's one of the reasons his reputation has suffered. There a couple spots in the repertoire which Richter has performed without adding much.

And worse, by repeating the "Richter is the Greatest" mantra over and over, people will tell themselves everything Richter does is exemplary. His ultra-slow Schubert D960 may be interesting (personally I cannot stand it), but it should certianly not serve as a reference recording: it bears no resemblance whatsoever with what the composer heard when he composed this sonata.

Precisely (http://operawebclub.com/papageno/style_emoticons/default/good.gif)

Anyway everyone who loves Richter already knows that he thought Sofronitsky was the piano god, and without doubt he was right.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: orbital on March 09, 2009, 04:43:30 AM
Quote from: Herman on March 09, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
His ultra-slow Schubert D960 may be interesting (personally I cannot stand it), but it should certianly not serve as a reference recording: it bears no resemblance whatsoever with what the composer heard when he composed this sonata.
True. It is my favorite version to listen to, which only means that it is the first one that coes to my mind whenever I am in the mood for this sonata. But it is a contrived version (which works). I find it fascinating whenever pianists manage to pull off stuff like that -particularly with popular pieces that  have established traditions. I wonder if it has something to do with the name [read:aura] of the pianist in question, but again, Richter has never been among my very favorite pianists.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 09, 2009, 05:24:07 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on March 09, 2009, 04:27:16 AM
Precisely (http://operawebclub.com/papageno/style_emoticons/default/good.gif)

Anyway everyone who loves Richter already knows that he thought Sofronitsky was the piano god, and without doubt he was right.

I just figure this is a thread where George goes on and on about Richter.  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 09, 2009, 10:14:14 AM
 
Quote from: Herman on March 09, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
[Richter's D840] . . .   bears no resemblance whatsoever with what the composer heard when he composed this sonata.

Right -- this raises an interesting question.

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that you're right.

What was Richter's philosophy of performance?

Was he like Gould -- did he think that the performer's job is to bring his own ideas about contrapuntal balances, dynamic levels, rhythmic nuances, articulation, tone colour to the performance -- even when they are specified by the composer?

I have just tried to glance through Monsaingeon's book on Richter to get some elucidation -- but so far with no success.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 09, 2009, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 09, 2009, 10:14:14 AM
What was Richter's philosophy of performance?

I have just tried to glance through Monsaingeon's book on Richter to get some elucidation -- but so far with no success.


I would say that your best bet in getting an answer to the question that you post is to consult his recordings. Someone quoted Richter a week or so ago here as saying that he tries to present the composers intentions as clearly as possible. I am paraphrasing, but it went something like that. This quote can be supported by many examples of Richter's performances, but then there are a number of performances, Schubert sonatas and Beethoven sonatas (Tempest), that run contrary to this quote. So, it seems that he did not have a consistent philosophy on this view.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on March 09, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
What makes you think that he doesn't present the composer's intentions in Beethoven's Tempest? I think that that's one of his best recordings.

If you want a performer who doesn't really present them in The Tempest you could listen to Yudina  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 09, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on March 09, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
What makes you think that he doesn't present the composer's intentions in Beethoven's Tempest? I think that that's one of his best recordings.

If you want a performer who doesn't really present them in The Tempest you could listen to Yudina  ;D

I love most of her Beethoven, actually. I am not bothered by pianists who, in the eyes of some people, over-interpret.

In the Tempest, there are tempo changes that are not in the score, which I believe is also the case in certain sections of his Appassionata. I agree though, his Tempest is excellent. As I said, I am not bothered by pianists who take some liberties in their interpretations.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: springrite on March 09, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: George on March 09, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
As I said, I am not bothered by pianists who take some liberties in their interpretations.

Same here, theoretically anyway. I do get a bit uneasy when the pianist more or less re-composes parts of the score. Yudina, Plentnev et.al are known to do that on occasions. In the case of the former, I did not like the missing chunks of notes from her Moonlight. But hey, can't complain about the performance though!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 09, 2009, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: Herman on March 09, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
And worse, by repeating the "Richter is the Greatest" mantra over and over, people will tell themselves everything Richter does is exemplary. His ultra-slow Schubert D960 may be interesting (personally I cannot stand it), but it should certianly not serve as a reference recording: it bears no resemblance whatsoever with what the composer heard when he composed this sonata.

Who do you like for D960, Herman?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on March 09, 2009, 11:33:30 AM
That's a good question. I haven't listened to the piece in its entirety for quite some time, having overdosed earlier on, and liking the 664 (a major) and 959 (if that's the c minor) better. Schnabel and Kempff would be the ones I'd grab for the 960. Maybe I'd want to reevaluate Lupu and Brendel at some point.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 09, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: Herman on March 09, 2009, 11:33:30 AM
That's a good question. I haven't listened to the piece in its entirety for quite some time, having overdosed earlier on, and liking the 664 (a major) and 959 (if that's the c minor) better. Schnabel and Kempff would be the ones I'd grab for the 960. Maybe I'd want to reevaluate Lupu and Brendel at some point.

Thanks. I have the Kempff and am happy with it (I have the whole box of sonatas from DG). I'll look into the Schnabel (unless I already have that too, and forgot).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on March 09, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
My giant EMI Richter box arrived today.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 05:37:33 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 09, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
My giant EMI Richter box arrived today.  :)

Mine was just ordered. You're talking about the Icon box, right? It's all the Richter I need, right?

;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 06:48:37 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 05:37:33 AM
Mine was just ordered. You're talking about the Icon box, right? It's all the Richter I need, right?

For now.  ;D

Seriously, I think it's an incredibly consistent box, both in sound and performance.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 06:49:53 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 06:48:37 AM
For now.  ;D

Seriously, I think it's an incredibly consistent box, both in sound and performance.

Good to know. What about other boxes?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 07:14:15 AM
I just ordered this because the price was right.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wyzOlMzIL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Anyone hear it yet?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Novi on March 11, 2009, 07:53:12 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 06:49:53 AM
Good to know. What about other boxes?

Do you have the Brilliant box? The price is also right on that one :).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 07:58:40 AM
Quote from: Novi on March 11, 2009, 07:53:12 AM
Do you have the Brilliant box? The price is also right on that one :).

I do! I'm not a total loss.  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Novi on March 11, 2009, 08:11:16 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 07:58:40 AM
I do! I'm not a total loss.  ;D

:P ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 08:14:22 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 06:49:53 AM
Good to know. What about other boxes?

The Praga one is great, but that will run you $400 - $800.

The DG one will be great when it comes out.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 07:14:15 AM
I just ordered this because the price was right.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wyzOlMzIL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Anyone hear it yet?

No, tell me more.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 08:14:22 AM
The Praga one is great, but that will run you $400 - $800.

The DG one will be great when it comes out.

Screw the Praga box. I'll watch for the DG. Thanks, yo.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 08:16:00 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
Screw the Praga box.

You think I haven't?  >:D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
No, tell me more.  :)

It's on Denon and came out yesterday, supposedly. Retails $7.99 from Amazon, but of course you can get it cheaper from the marketplace. These recordings have never been released before--supposedly.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on March 11, 2009, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 08:14:22 AM
The Praga one is great, but that will run you $400 - $800.

OMG! Is the Praga box set really going for that now? It was the set that single-handedly dragged me out of the world of vinyl-only stubbornness and into buying CDs. It really was (and is) that great...so much so that I couldn't see being without the performances in whatever form I could get them. Still, back then the set was like $150 (more or less) and I almost gagged at THAT price. If I had to replace the set today...? Woof!
:o

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 09:08:03 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 08:17:20 AM
It's on Denon and came out yesterday, supposedly. Retails $7.99 from Amazon, but of course you can get it cheaper from the marketplace. These recordings have never been released before--supposedly.

Yowza! Will have to check it out.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bulldog on March 11, 2009, 09:12:02 AM
A question for Richter fans - as you keep acquiring his recordings, don't you end up with a lot of duplication of the same performances?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 09:12:23 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 09:08:03 AM
Yowza! Will have to check it out.  :)

He looks like he wants to punch Beethoven in the nose.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 09:21:26 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wyzOlMzIL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Got some more info on that Beethoven CD from amazon:

Product Description Op. 2/3, 10/3, 49/1

Newly reissued on CD, Denon Classics presents this specially budget-priced album featuring the legendary Russian pianist performing a live concert program of three Beethoven sonatas, which have been out of print and unavailable at retail. In these 1960s-era recordings, Richter is one with the heroic spirit gathering in Beethoven's development of the sonata form, bringing to it the interpretive power that only Richter could.

Unfortunately I can't find any more info on this CD. I already have these sonatas by Richter and I wonder if these ones are different. They say that they have been OOP, but that means they were in print at some time.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 09:23:26 AM
Oh. Out of print. My bad.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on March 11, 2009, 09:12:02 AM
A question for Richter fans - as you keep acquiring his recordings, don't you end up with a lot of duplication of the same performances?

Not necessarily. There might be a lot of duplication of specific works, but as long as you check Trovar before buying, you can usually tell if you are buying the same performance as one you already have.

I realize that yiou know about Trovar already, bvut for those that don't, Trovar is a place where you can get info about the discography of Richter and other performers, like Argerich and David Oistrakh. For Richter, it is in need of an update, but it's still a great resource.

Link to Trovar (http://trovar.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 09:37:27 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 09:23:26 AM
Oh. Out of print. My bad.

No problem, if they are OOP for a long time they could still be very rare. When yours arrives can you check the dates and see if they match up to any of the ones below?

This is what I found at Trovar for the three LvB sonatas in that CD that were recorded in the sixties:

Sonata No. 3 in C, opus 2 no. 3

    * (Leningrad, 6/1960)
          o Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD)
          o Icone ICN 9402 (CD)
    * (Carnegie Hall, New York, 19 Oct 1960)
          o Columbia M2L 272 (LP 1961)
          o CBS BRG 72022/3 (LP 1962)
          o CBS/Sony SONC 15058 (LP 1969)
          o CBS [ Germany ] S 72449 (LP 1967)
          o CBS Coronet KLC 2782/3 (LP)
          o Nippon Columbia OL-151 (LP)
          o Doremi [Canada] DHR 7864-9 (CD)


Sonata No. 7 in D, opus 10 no. 3

    * (Bucharest, 24 Feb 1960)
          o Electrecord ECE 60 (LP 1961) or ELCD 106 (CD)
          o Ariola 74601 KK (LP 1967) or 80093 ZK (LP 1970) or 300369-435 (LP 1982)
          o Melodiya / JVC VICX-1018 (LP)
          o Victor [ Japan ] VICC 2119 (CD)
          o Melodiya D 07203/4 (LP 1960)
          o MK D 07203/4 (LP)
          o Prestige 1920.4017-2 (CD)
          o Shinsekai PX-5529 (LP) or SH-7633 (LP) or SMKX-1-15 (LP) or MK-1010 (LP)
          o AS Disc 338 (CD) or Notes PGP 11025 (CD) or Historical Performers HP 37 (CD)
          o ARC SEL 92040172 (CD)
    * (Leningrad, 6/1960)
          o Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD)
          o Icone ICN 9402 (CD)
    * (Carnegie Hall, New York, 28 Oct 1960)
          o Columbia ML 5725 (LP)
          o CBS/Sony SONC 15064
          o CBS BRG 72047 (LP)
          o CBS [ Germany ] S 72449 (LP)
          o Doremi [Canada] DHR 7864-9 (CD)


Sonata No. 19 in g, opus 49 no. 1
    * (Paris, June - July 1963)
          o Le Chant du Monde LDXA 8323 (LP 1963) or LDXA 48323 (LP 1963) or LDX 78445-46 (LP 1967)
          o Melodiya D 013549/50 (LP 1964) or M10 13549 008 (LP 1982)
          o Philips PHM 500-076 (LP 1964) or PHS 900-076 (LP 1964)
          o Philips [ UK ] SAL 3456 (LP 1964)
          o Philips [ Germany] A 02325 L (LP 1964) or SM 835202 AY (LP 1964) or 839 524 VGY (LP 1969)
          o Philips SFM 23014 (LP 1969)
          o Philips [ Australia ] MSS 26 [ ? ]
          o Philips [ Japan ] SFL 7703-4 (LP 1964) or SFX 7788 (LP 1970) or PC 1575 (LP 1975) or 13PC88 (LP) or 32CD-3136 (CD)
          o Philips 412379 (CD) or 464710 (CD 2001)
    * (Leningrad, 17 Jan 1965)
          o Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD)
          o Icone ICN 9402 (CD)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 11, 2009, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 09:37:27 AM
No problem, if they are OOP for a long time they could still be very rare. When yours arrives can you check the dates and see if they match up to any of the ones below?

This is what I found at Trovar for those three sonatas in the sixties:

Sonata No. 3 in C, opus 2 no. 3

    * (Leningrad, 6/1960)
          o Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD)
          o Icone ICN 9402 (CD)
    * (Carnegie Hall, New York, 19 Oct 1960)
          o Columbia M2L 272 (LP 1961)
          o CBS BRG 72022/3 (LP 1962)
          o CBS/Sony SONC 15058 (LP 1969)
          o CBS [ Germany ] S 72449 (LP 1967)
          o CBS Coronet KLC 2782/3 (LP)
          o Nippon Columbia OL-151 (LP)
          o Doremi [Canada] DHR 7864-9 (CD)


Sonata No. 7 in D, opus 10 no. 3

    * (Bucharest, 24 Feb 1960)
          o Electrecord ECE 60 (LP 1961) or ELCD 106 (CD)
          o Ariola 74601 KK (LP 1967) or 80093 ZK (LP 1970) or 300369-435 (LP 1982)
          o Melodiya / JVC VICX-1018 (LP)
          o Victor [ Japan ] VICC 2119 (CD)
          o Melodiya D 07203/4 (LP 1960)
          o MK D 07203/4 (LP)
          o Prestige 1920.4017-2 (CD)
          o Shinsekai PX-5529 (LP) or SH-7633 (LP) or SMKX-1-15 (LP) or MK-1010 (LP)
          o AS Disc 338 (CD) or Notes PGP 11025 (CD) or Historical Performers HP 37 (CD)
          o ARC SEL 92040172 (CD)
    * (Leningrad, 6/1960)
          o Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD)
          o Icone ICN 9402 (CD)
    * (Carnegie Hall, New York, 28 Oct 1960)
          o Columbia ML 5725 (LP)
          o CBS/Sony SONC 15064
          o CBS BRG 72047 (LP)
          o CBS [ Germany ] S 72449 (LP)
          o Doremi [Canada] DHR 7864-9 (CD)


Sonata No. 19 in g, opus 49 no. 1
    * (Paris, June - July 1963)
          o Le Chant du Monde LDXA 8323 (LP 1963) or LDXA 48323 (LP 1963) or LDX 78445-46 (LP 1967)
          o Melodiya D 013549/50 (LP 1964) or M10 13549 008 (LP 1982)
          o Philips PHM 500-076 (LP 1964) or PHS 900-076 (LP 1964)
          o Philips [ UK ] SAL 3456 (LP 1964)
          o Philips [ Germany] A 02325 L (LP 1964) or SM 835202 AY (LP 1964) or 839 524 VGY (LP 1969)
          o Philips SFM 23014 (LP 1969)
          o Philips [ Australia ] MSS 26 [ ? ]
          o Philips [ Japan ] SFL 7703-4 (LP 1964) or SFX 7788 (LP 1970) or PC 1575 (LP 1975) or 13PC88 (LP) or 32CD-3136 (CD)
          o Philips 412379 (CD) or 464710 (CD 2001)
    * (Leningrad, 17 Jan 1965)
          o Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD)
          o Icone ICN 9402 (CD)



Will do. Remind me if I forget.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: rubio on March 11, 2009, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: George on March 11, 2009, 06:48:37 AM
For now.  ;D

Seriously, I think it's an incredibly consistent box, both in sound and performance.

But the sound on the earlier EMI single CDs are better?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: rubio on March 11, 2009, 10:36:11 AM
But the sound on the earlier EMI single CDs are better?

Yes, but not by very much. If the originals were about a 9 for Sound Quality, the new ones are about an 8.5 or an 8.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 11, 2009, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 11, 2009, 09:39:58 AM
Will do. Remind me if I forget.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wyzOlMzIL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I just read at Richter's Yahoo group that there isn't any info on the packaging.  :-\ 

However, I think I may have this figured out:

Sonata No. 3 in C, opus 2 no. 3

(Leningrad, 6/1960) - Leningrad Masters CD, LM 1323
(Carnegie Hall, New York, 19 Oct 1960) - Doremi
         
Sonata No. 7 in D, opus 10 no. 3
(Bucharest, 24 Feb 1960)
(Leningrad, 6/1960) - Leningrad Masters CD, LM 1323
(Carnegie Hall, New York, 28 Oct 1960) - Doremi
   
Sonata No. 19 in g, opus 49 no. 1

(Paris, June - July 1963) - Philips
(Leningrad, 17 Jan 1965) - Leningrad Masters CD, LM 1323

As I look at this list, these three sonatas were all recorded in Leningrad in the 60s. In fact, all three previously appeared on Leningrad Masters CD, LM 1323. I bet the CD above is a re-release of that CD. I'll probably get this one on the way home tonight. Thanks for the heads up, Dave! 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 15, 2009, 10:32:39 AM
Richter's Schubert D 784

   Tokyo 7 February 1979 (Regis)
– This recording is one of two live performances available by the pianist. The other, recorded in London, would come 7 weeks later. The Regis reissue that I have sounds excellent, with a full, yet slightly veiled piano tone that benefited from a bit of added treble on my stereo. Richter played the first movement in a dramatic style, with sharp dynamic contrasts, bold crescendos and mysteriously beautiful quiet passages. Audience noise was not an obstacle to my enjoyment. In fact, I barely noticed them. The central movement was played with a reflective tenderness that acted as a perfect contrast to the first movement's tension. The finale brought a sense of playfulness and joy to the performance. This is one of those memorable, extra special Schubert Richter performances.

   London 31 March 1979 (BBC) – Compared to its Tokyo counterpart, this live performance was more distantly miked. This allowed for more dynamic headroom for the fortes and crescendos, but is also made them less immediate as well. The effect was like sitting in the back of the hall on this recording. The sound was less filtered than the Tokyo, meaning more overall hiss, but clearer piano tone as well. The conception of the work was very similar, as one would expect. His timings for each movement were very similar. As the first movement went on, I missed the impact of the closer Regis recording and thus didn't enjoy this version as much. This aspect adversely affected the next two movements as well. The playing sounded fine, but those attacks that were so effective in the Tokyo recording were dulled here.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on March 15, 2009, 11:11:55 AM
George, have you considered creating a Richterpedia?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 15, 2009, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 15, 2009, 11:11:55 AM
George, have you considered creating a Richterpedia?

I haven't, actually. The process of surveying his Schubert recordings is already lessening my enjoyment of the listening.  :-\ So, I have slowed down and only move to the next sonata when I want to. I have four sonatas left to cover - D 664, 625, 575 and 566.

Looks like there already is one anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_Richter
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on March 17, 2009, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: George on March 15, 2009, 11:20:47 AM
I haven't, actually. The process of surveying his Schubert recordings is already lessening my enjoyment of the listening.  :-\ So, I have slowed down and only move to the next sonata when I want to. I have four sonatas left to cover - D 664, 625, 575 and 566.

Looks like there already is one anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_Richter

It was indeed this wiki page that got me going for Richter.  I will start collecting his recordings in earnest after I get that upcoming DG set.  The EMI 14-CD set and the WTC set on RCA Gold Seal are not good enough to do justice to this greatest pianist of the 20th century and beyond ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Eddie Williamson on March 20, 2009, 02:42:58 PM
Quote from: George on August 31, 2007, 05:21:11 PM
I think it's wise to expand the concept of this thread to include a discussion of all of the performances/recordings of Richter. Therefore, I have changed the title and hope that others will post their ideas/questions/impressions of this incredible performer.


To start with, I have a few questions about "Richter in the 1950s" on Parnassus:

Anyone have any of the 5 volumes from this series?

How's the sound?

How do they compare to other recordings of these works by Richter?

:)

George, I just bought Volumes 1 and 2 of this series.  I am listening on iTunes via Shure SE530 earbuds.  'Mastering: Wayne Hileman, Squires Productions, Inc.  These recordings have been processed with the Sound Forge noise reduction system.'   I have stayed away from Parnassus because of what I've heard of Leslie Gerber's view of tape restoration (ie. intrusive noise reduction).  These recordings, at least disc one, sound average-to-good for their vintage.  There is hiss, but it is not intrusive; NR was applied judiciously, in this case.  Dynamics are actually pretty decent considering the source.  That said, this is not anything I will be putting on my main system.  Mono audience recordings are headphones only in my abode.  As re music, this performance of Prokofiev Piano Sonata No.7 in B-flat, Op. 83 is Richterrific!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 20, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: Eddie Williamson on March 20, 2009, 02:42:58 PM
George, I just bought Volumes 1 and 2 of this series.  I am listening on iTunes via Shure SE530 earbuds.  'Mastering: Wayne Hileman, Squires Productions, Inc.  These recordings have been processed with the Sound Forge noise reduction system.'   I have stayed away from Parnassus because of what I've heard of Leslie Gerber's view of tape restoration (ie. intrusive noise reduction).  These recordings, at least disc one, sound average-to-good for their vintage.  There is hiss, but it is not intrusive; NR was applied judiciously, in this case.  Dynamics are actually pretty decent considering the source.  That said, this is not anything I will be putting on my main system.  Mono audience recordings are headphones only in my abode.  As re music, this performance of Prokofiev Piano Sonata No.7 in B-flat, Op. 83 is Richterrific!

LOL!  :D  That post you quoted is a year and a half old. I have since got all 5 volumes of the Parnassus CDs. I agree with everything that you say, BTW.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on March 20, 2009, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: George on March 20, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
LOL!  :D  That post you quoted is a year and a half old. I have since got all 5 volumes of the Parnassus CDs. I agree with everything that you say, BTW.  :)

George...you have ALL 5 volumes? Dude, you SO rock!
:D

Dirk, with only vol. 1 & 3, who's SO jealous
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 20, 2009, 04:20:19 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on March 20, 2009, 04:04:16 PM
George...you have ALL 5 volumes? Dude, you SO rock!
:D

Dirk, with only vol. 1 & 3, who's SO jealous

Hey, you're also $100 richer!  ;D

When I began my Richter-Schubert-Sonata-Backwards-Chronological-Survey and heard that sound for the D 960 by Parnassus next to the others, I felt like a sucker for buying the Parnassus. Leslie sucked all the life out of those things when he removed all the noise. I confronted him, politely, a few months ago on the Richter google group for doing this and got no response. However, I did get 3 or 4 people chime in who felt very much the same as I do about Noise Reduction.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 20, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on March 20, 2009, 04:04:16 PM
George...you have ALL 5 volumes? Dude, you SO rock!
:D

Dirk, with only vol. 1 & 3, who's SO jealous


If it's a question of not being able to find them, PM me. I think I saw all 5 in a store about a week ago.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 20, 2009, 04:59:51 PM
It's Richter's birthday today. Happy birthday, great man.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on March 21, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
I listened to the Etudes Symphoniques from Richter in Prague yesterday.  I had a hard time with it. There are probably better Richter performances of this piece around.

The Schumann Fantaisie, however, on the same disc, is terrific.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on April 03, 2009, 08:25:51 AM
Now listening to:

Beethoven
Sonata No. 17, Op. 31
&
Schumann
Fantasia in C minor, Op. 17

Sviatoslav Richter
Label: Angel
Recording Date: July and August of 1961
Format: Lp


This important notice on the back of the album cover:
Richter's recorded performance of the Schumann Fantasia is 31 minutes and 43 seconds in duration.  In order to maintain the Angel Records' standards of high fidelity and ensure consistent dynamic levels, it was found desirable to break the sides at a musical pause in the first section of the Fantasia.  This natural pause permits the faithful reproduction exactly as Richter recorded it, without artistic or engineering comprimise.


The album back also discusses that these recordings were made instead of  a concert trip to England which was postponed due to Richter being exhausted from his seven concerts at Carnegie Hall.  The studio setting was a relaxed setting for him and his mother met him in NY, the first time he had seen her since WWII.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 03, 2009, 08:40:21 AM
Very cool stuff, Bill!  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on April 03, 2009, 10:00:12 AM
Correction on the above post.  Though his mother met him in NY, it seems that even though he  postponed his concerts, he must have still went England as the following recordings were also at the same time.....unless there were two Richters!  ;D

Haydn
Sonata for Keyboard no 32 in G minor, H 16 no 44

Chopin
Ballade for Piano no 3 in A flat major, B 136/Op. 47

Debussy
Préludes, Book 1: no 2, Voiles
Préludes, Book 1: no 3, Le vent dans la plaine
Préludes, Book 1: no 5, Les collines d'Anacapri

Prokofiev
Sonata for Piano no 8 in B flat major, Op. 84

Sviatoslav Richter
Label: DG
Recording Date: July-August 1st Wembly Town Hall, London
Format: Lp
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 03, 2009, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: Bogey on April 03, 2009, 10:00:12 AM
Correction on the above post.  Though his mother met him in NY, it seems that even though he postponed his concerts, he must have still went England as the following recordings were also at the same time.....unless there were two Richters!  ;D

Cancel my post about it being cool, then. That changes everything.  ;D

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 04, 2009, 03:48:15 PM
More reviews from my ongoing reverse chronological survey of Richter's recordings of Schubert Piano Sonatas. This time it's D 664:

Paris 11-13, 16, 17 February and 11 April 1963 (EMI)
– Of the four available released versions that Richter released of this sonata, this is the only studio version. It is also the best one, as it captures Richter's tone beautifully in a superb performance. The first movement is played with grace and a refinement usually reserved for later Richter performances. Everything is in place, no harsh outbursts or steely tone. This is the type of Schubert playing that led me to become an avid admirer of Richter's Schubert performances. The second movement is played gently and serenely. The finale opens with a breath of fresh air, with a Mozartian playfulness and energetic style. A witty rondo, Richter plays this well, emphasizing the differences found in the contrasting episodes. This performance can be found in the recently released 14 CD EMI box that compiles all of Richter's EMI recordings.     

Live performances – Munich 23 July 1978, Tokyo 1 February 1979, London 31 March 1979 – These three are all of very similar conception, something that they have in common with his earlier studio version for EMI. The timings for all four are very close, without any significant variance. The only real difference between them is the sound quality. The Tokyo recording has a slightly muffled tone, but was recorded with well-placed microphones, as it captured well the dynamic range and tone of Richter's playing. This is best of the three live recordings and also the least expensive. The London had better tone, but more tape noise and more audience noise. The Munich had the worst sound, with distantly placed microphones that did not capture Richter's sound as well and also highlighted the audience noise. The performance of all three is excellent, but the EMI did a better job of conveying the sound of the piano and the performance and therefore remains my recommendation of this work by this pianist. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 09, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
I just stumbled across this duet with Richter and Ginzburg -- it goes beautifully mystical in the middle.

Does anyone know where the recording comes from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O9mE6etd5E&feature=PlayList&p=71ADBCCEDB75BCDF&index=35
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 03:34:22 AM
I own the following examples of Richter playing Liszt:

A 1958 concert on the Revelation label
All the Liszt on the Parnassus set "Richter in the 1950s" -- but not volume 4.
The Philips Authorised Recordings Liszt
The Liszt in the Praga box.


My question is -- am I missing anything good?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 12, 2009, 03:58:11 AM
I got a Liszt CD on Palexa recently because of some raving over at RMCR. Haven't heard it yet, but when I do, I'll report back.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 12, 2009, 08:38:50 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 03:34:22 AM
I own the following examples of Richter playing Liszt:

A 1958 concert on the Revelation label
All the Liszt on the Parnassus set "Richter in the 1950s" -- but not volume 4.
The Philips Authorised Recordings Liszt
The Liszt in the Praga box.


My question is -- am I missing anything good?

That's a pretty good cross-section. I'd add Liszt's Funerailles from Budapest, 1958, on Music & Arts. Absolutely hypnotic. Included on that disc is an engrossing Hungarian Fantasia for piano and orchestra w/ Ferencsic and the Hungarian State Orchestra from 1961.

And if you had to have another Liszt sonata (I have three ;)) the Aldeburgh recording (now on BBC Legends) is spectacular.

Otherwise the one glaring omission in your collection seems to be the two concertos. Unless that's a conscious decision on your part. :) The Philips recording of both is darn near indispensable.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Herman on March 21, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
I listened to the Etudes Symphoniques from Richter in Prague yesterday.  I had a hard time with it. There are probably better Richter performances of this piece around.

The Schumann Fantaisie, however, on the same disc, is terrific.

How strange -- I just listened to that and I loved it!   I've heard it said that the Richter Etudes on BBC Classics is very good, and that the version on Olympia is very well recorded, but I haven't heard either myself.

What I like about Richter's way with this piece is the way he brings out the virtuosity, without, IMO, losing the poetry. And the energy, the thrust.

Quote from: donwyn on April 12, 2009, 08:38:50 AM
That's a pretty good cross-section. I'd add Liszt's Funerailles from Budapest, 1958, on Music & Arts. Absolutely hypnotic. Included on that disc is an engrossing Hungarian Fantasia for piano and orchestra w/ Ferencsic and the Hungarian State Orchestra from 1961.

And if you had to have another Liszt sonata (I have three ;)) the Aldeburgh recording (now on BBC Legends) is spectacular.

Otherwise the one glaring omission in your collection seems to be the two concertos. Unless that's a conscious decision on your part. :) The Philips recording of both is darn near indispensable.

Quote from: George on April 12, 2009, 03:58:11 AM
I got a Liszt CD on Palexa recently because of some raving over at RMCR. Haven't heard it yet, but when I do, I'll report back.

Thanks guys.

You know I think those  Richter records from the 50s are the best Liszt I have heard.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on April 12, 2009, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: donwyn on April 12, 2009, 08:38:50 AM
Otherwise the one glaring omission in your collection seems to be the two concertos. Unless that's a conscious decision on your part. :) The Philips recording of both is darn near indispensable.

But the list includes "The Philips Authorised Recordings Liszt"--which would include those concertos, no? And I agree--they ARE indispensable (forget the "darn near").
;D

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 12, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on April 12, 2009, 12:17:06 PM
But the list includes "The Philips Authorised Recordings Liszt"--which would include those concertos, no?


Well, I assumed Mandryka meant the Philips Authorized Edition, and the concertos aren't part of that edition.

But the concertos ARE on Philips, of course, so if you wanna get technical... ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
I meant the Authorised Etdition: I don't have Richter doing the Concertos.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 13, 2009, 02:37:43 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
I meant the Authorised Etdition: I don't have Richter doing the Concertos.

:o

IOW, it's essential.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on April 13, 2009, 04:33:10 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
I meant the Authorised Etdition: I don't have Richter doing the Concertos.

Oh, noooooooooooo.
Please rectify at once, Mandryka!!
;D

Dirk

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2009, 04:53:34 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 12, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
What I like about Richter's way with this piece is the way he brings out the virtuosity, without, IMO, losing the poetry. And the energy, the thrust.

Well, we often seem to like diferent things. I was pretty sure I would have given these Prague Symph Etudes short shrift if I'd heard them blind on the radio. I'd assumed it was an uninteresting pianist. Maybe sometime soon I'll listen to another Richter Sym Et  -  though I don't really feel any obligation to like Richter by all means.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on April 13, 2009, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on April 13, 2009, 04:33:10 AM
Oh, noooooooooooo.
Please rectify at once, Mandryka!!
;D

Dirk





..and this one has the best SQ

(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/66/414966.jpg)

..and the LvB sonatas are great as well. I particularly like his way with Op 14/2
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on April 28, 2009, 01:57:33 PM
Anyone know the provenance of this creature? http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_May09/WHRA6023.htm
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 28, 2009, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: edward on April 28, 2009, 01:57:33 PM
Anyone know the provenance of this creature? http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_May09/WHRA6023.htm

Either the "WHRA" label is taking advantage of a loophole in Richter concert dating or they've somehow verified that all these works were indeed performed on Feb.9, 1958, in Budapest.

If it's the latter perhaps it's all spelled out in the notes to this CD, but if the former it's not beyond the pirates at all (which I'm assuming WHRA is) to make bold claims like this in order to sell CDs - principally to Richter neophytes.

The loophole is that up until now there's been no 'official' dating of the Pictures - one source says Feb. 19th, one source says Feb. 9th or 19th, and one source says Feb. 8th. Same for the Schubert D.958, minus the claim for the 19th.

More importantly, I actually own both the Pictures and the Schubert D.958 on separate Music & Arts releases and the one dead giveaway that these are NOT from the same concert comes from the "noise-checker". In Pictures Richter sits on an irritatingly squeaky piano bench (which is omnipresent) but in the Schubert the squeak is nowhere to be heard (unless he switched benches but in concert I imagine the Schubert would've come first).

And if that weren't enough the Schubert is much poorer in overall sonics. The Pictures, squeaky piano bench aside, has enviably warm and rich sound (for 1958/bootleg) and should be far better known (maybe Marston could edit out that squeaky bench ;D).

So unless WHRA has uncovered new evidence to verify their claims I'm still going with separate dates for these performances.

The performances are still worthwhile, however, and if the sound is up-to-snuff this disc might be worth picking up.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Que on April 28, 2009, 10:41:29 PM
WHRA stands for "Westhill Radio Archives". It's Canadian and occassionally cooperates with Muscis and Arts - even the artwork of the CD's looks similar.

No website!? How anyone can run a bussiness without one, surprises me. ::)

Q
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on May 03, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
This contains some of the best Mozart sonata playing I have ever heard.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 03, 2009, 12:25:47 PM
Continuing in my reverse chronological survey (of which only D 575 and D 566 remains) of the officially released recordings of Richter's performance of Schubert sonatas, today I reviewed D 625:

        Munich 23 July 1978 (Victor) – Of the three officially released performances of this sonata, all of which were recorded live and within a 8 month span, this one stands out for me as being my favorite. The other two, Tokyo 1979 on Regis and London 1979 on BBC Legends, are interpretatively similar to the Munich. However, the Tokyo suffers from what appears to be excessive noise reduction, as the piano tone has a displeasing, muffled quality to it. The London recording does not have this problem, but the audience noises are heard loudly throughout the performance, plus the overall sound is thin. The Munich, on the other hand, is a well-engineered recording of a live performance that only occasionally reveals that it was recorded in front of an audience. Richter is in top form as well, turning in one of his classic Schubert performances. He seems to cover the full range of human emotion in this performance, at times dark, at others sunny, delicate at one moment, crushing in the next. He uses the Adagio from D 505 as the third movement and this works well at providing a brief respite from the tension of the work. He also chooses to play the outer movements as written, in their unfinished state. The finale begins rapidly and urgently, a stark contrast to the movement that preceded it. Richter's dynamic contrasts here are immense, building tension in an exciting reading until finally ending gently. This performance is well worth seeking out. Unfortunately it is not easy to find. It was released on CD, Victor VICC-60076, in Japan.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on May 03, 2009, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 03, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
This contains some of the best Mozart sonata playing I have ever heard.



Interesting. Personally I think Mozart is one of Richter's most incompatible composers. It's a complete cringe-fest for me.

His Haydn, on the other hand, is always of the highest order (even though some Haydn purists like Schiff reject it).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: rubio on May 03, 2009, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: George on May 03, 2009, 12:25:47 PM
This performance is well worth seeking out. Unfortunately it is not easy to find. It was released on CD, Victor VICC-60076, in Japan.

Hi George, I read your survey with interest. Did you order this Victor CD from HMV Japan?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on May 03, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: Herman on May 03, 2009, 09:48:49 PM
Interesting. Personally I think Mozart is one of Richter's most incompatible composers. It's a complete cringe-fest for me.

His Haydn, on the other hand, is always of the highest order (even though some Haydn purists like Schiff reject it).

To be honest I had always rejected his Mozart until I heard that DVD. Not because it made me cringe, but because it seemed flat, colourless and rather unenergetic.

And all the Mozart sonata CDs I had have poor sound.

But that DVD is not like that at all -- there's colour, the just tempo, a real sense of architecture, joy. Have you heard the DVD/ I guess what I'm asking is, did the DVD make you cringe too?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on May 04, 2009, 12:21:42 AM
Sorry, no, I do not know the DVD. Perhaps it's the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 04, 2009, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: rubio on May 03, 2009, 10:41:19 PM
Hi George, I read your survey with interest. Did you order this Victor CD from HMV Japan?

No, I found a used copy in the shops.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 04, 2009, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 03, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
And all the Mozart sonata CDs I had have poor sound.

Here's another one in good sound, vigorously performed (especially K.310):


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8d/c6/4f1179edd7a029e5d9408110.L.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 04, 2009, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: O'Richter, son of "Kidney Sam" on May 04, 2009, 08:14:43 AM
Here's another one in good sound, vigorously performed (especially K.310):


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8d/c6/4f1179edd7a029e5d9408110.L.jpg)

Was that contained in the Master series?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 04, 2009, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: George on May 04, 2009, 08:42:22 AM
Was that contained in the Master series?

No, this is a one-off release that was not included in the old Authorized Edition and is not currently part of the new Master Series.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 04, 2009, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: O'Richter, son of "Kidney Sam" on May 04, 2009, 09:16:58 AM
No, this is a one-off release that was not included in the old Authorized Edition and is not currently part of the new Master Series.

I see that it goes for $40 and up on amazon.  :-[
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on May 04, 2009, 12:15:30 PM
Quote from: O'Richter, son of "Kidney Sam" on May 04, 2009, 08:14:43 AM
Here's another one in good sound, vigorously performed (especially K.310):


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8d/c6/4f1179edd7a029e5d9408110.L.jpg)
His facial expression says, "Help! I'm trapped in an oddly cut-up photograph blatantly stuck against a new background!"
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 04, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: George on May 04, 2009, 10:04:45 AM
I see that it goes for $40 and up on amazon.  :-[

Wow, that stinks. ::) Though the K310 is good enough to almost (almost) justify the price.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 04, 2009, 05:55:49 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 04, 2009, 12:15:30 PM
His facial expression says, "Help! I'm trapped in an oddly cut-up photograph blatantly stuck against a new background!"

;D

Yes, poor Richter - confined to drab teal purgatory.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on May 09, 2009, 07:35:02 AM
Is anyone familiar with this set?  There is only one review on Amazon and it was by none other than the Sante Fe Listener, whom our own DavidRoss has not had anything positive to say about ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ugZNkzSNL._SS400_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 09, 2009, 07:43:00 AM
Much of that set is contained in the Master series, so I haven't bothered to get it yet. I think only a few of the performances are not in the 2 CD Master set.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on June 12, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
George, is there anyway you can direct me to your post about Richter and Schumann's Fantasie Op 17, please? This thread has become rather unwieldy.

I got a couple of those recent Japanese Universal cds, and the according to the Philips credits the (live) Fantasie is from 1969, which is kind of puzzling, as the trovar records don't mention a Fantasie for that year. Maybe it's a 'misprint' for 1979. It's rather closely recorded / remastered.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 12, 2009, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: Herman on June 12, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
George, is there anyway you can direct me to your post about Richter and Schumann's Fantasie Op 17, please? This thread has become rather unwieldy.

I got a couple of those recent Japanese Universal cds, and the according to the Philips credits the (live) Fantasie is from 1969, which is kind of puzzling, as the trovar records don't mention a Fantasie for that year. Maybe it's a 'misprint' for 1979. It's rather closely recorded / remastered.

I am not sure which post you mean, sorry.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 12, 2009, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: Herman on June 12, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
George, is there anyway you can direct me to your post about Richter and Schumann's Fantasie Op 17, please? This thread has become rather unwieldy.

I got a couple of those recent Japanese Universal cds, and the according to the Philips credits the (live) Fantasie is from 1969, which is kind of puzzling, as the trovar records don't mention a Fantasie for that year. Maybe it's a 'misprint' for 1979. It's rather closely recorded / remastered.

If Universal released it I can't imagine it being anything other than the 1979 performance. At least, up till now there's never been more than one Schumann Fantasie from Universal (Polygram).

No telling what somebody might have unearthed, though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 13, 2009, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
The Decca sonatas are actually from a year or two earlier. [than those in in the Master Series]

Just curious how you know this, Don, for my liner notes in the Master Series do not show any dates.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 13, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: George on June 13, 2009, 05:44:57 PM
Just curious how you know this, Don, for my liner notes in the Master Series do not show any dates.  :-\

Here's the scoop, George. :)

That six-disc mini Richter series on Decca pre-dated the massive Philips Authorized edition by about a year or two. I know this because I actually bought three volumes from that Decca set.

Then in Fanfare turned up a Gerber review of that mini Decca series and at the end of it mention is made of an upcoming edition from Philips which was to contain "all previously unpublished concert tapes" (Fanfare Vol.17, No.1). This was to be the Authorized Edition. So despite some overlap in repertoire the Decca performances couldn't be the same as Philips's.

Later I discovered Trovar and the info there makes the distinction between the Decca Brahms sonatas (Mantua) and the Philips Brahms sonatas (Tours). Tanin's site (the Doremi guy) echos this distinction.

What's tough is trying to remember that once-upon-a-time Decca and Philips actually acted independently (though they were 'sister labels') and released material not duplicated by the other. Today things are different. 

In fact, even today nothing of that original six-disc mini Decca series has seen the light of day on any other label except for Decca (excepting some obscure Universal import) - unlike the Philips Authorized Edition which has now seemingly been gobbled up by Decca.

Anyway, it'll give you a headache, I know... ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 13, 2009, 09:51:18 PM
No, that was clear as spring water, thanks!

Now, how are the performances? Do you have both? Is the sound or performance better on one of them?

I ask because I have a chance to get the original Decca, but if the performance is better on the Master series, I won't bother. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 14, 2009, 08:53:32 AM
Quote from: George on June 13, 2009, 09:51:18 PM
No, that was clear as spring water, thanks!

Now, how are the performances? Do you have both? Is the sound or performance better on one of them?

I ask because I have a chance to get the original Decca, but if the performance is better on the Master series, I won't bother. 

Sorry, George, I haven't heard the Brahms sonatas in the Master Series (Philips Edition).

However, I do have an alternate Brahms first sonata on RCA that's within a month or so of the Master Series first. And I can say for certain the RCA first compares favorably with the original Decca first.

So...if I apply the basic logic that one month between performances isn't a dramatic difference in Richter terms the RCA first should be in the same basic ballpark as the Master Series first. Which means I sort of know what the Master Series first should sound like (even though I haven't heard it) and can comfortably say it should compare favorably with the original Decca first.

However...thinking of it in those terms, I probably wouldn't go out of my way to pick up the original Decca first if I already had the Master Series first. That's based on the knowledge that the RCA first - and by extension the Master Series first - is already such a fine performance.

The one fly in the ointment of course is that in Richter terms one month CAN be a dramatic difference as far as performances of the same piece. So the RCA first I have might indeed be dramatically different than the Master Series first, which means all my logic and conjecturing above is blown to bits. ;D

So bottom line: grab that original Decca Brahms disc! ;D

BTW, after all that, I need to make one correction to my post above: Gerber's description of "all previously unpublished concert tapes" in the Philips Edition actually proved to be slightly incorrect. It turns out there were actually a very small handful of performances in that Edition that had been published before: a couple (or so) of the Beethoven sonatas, the Liszt sonata, and the Shostakovich Preludes chief among them. I actually knew this but the fog of late night and overwork blanked my memory.

Anyhoo, the Philips (now Master Series) Brahms sonatas have long been proven to be separate from that original Decca disc.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 14, 2009, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 14, 2009, 08:53:32 AM
Sorry, George, I haven't heard the Brahms sonatas in the Master Series (Philips Edition).

However, I do have an alternate Brahms first sonata on RCA that's within a month or so of the Master Series first. And I can say for certain the RCA first compares favorably with the original Decca first. 

That has been my experience with the Schubert sonatas as well, Richter was a consistent performer. Although, the sound of the venue/piano could change considerably. How's the sound on the Decca?

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So bottom line: grab that original Decca Brahms disc! ;D

I think I might. It's $20.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 14, 2009, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: George on June 14, 2009, 09:57:16 AM
That has been my experience with the Schubert sonatas as well, Richter was a consistent performer. Although, the sound of the venue/piano could change considerably. How's the sound on the Decca?

The Decca disc is in excellent sound. Go for it! ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 09:10:54 AM
Hi,

Would like to ask which of the recordings of Richter on the label Regis is really worth getting? And also how is the sound?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 15, 2009, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 09:10:54 AM
Hi,

Would like to ask which of the recordings of Richter on the label Regis is really worth getting? And also how is the sound?

Thanks.

The sound is good on all the ones that I have heard. I think they are all worth getting. The Schubert and Rachmaninoff (with Preludes/Etudes) are especially good.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 15, 2009, 09:27:34 AM
What say 'ye on this recording:

(http://www.aprrecordings.co.uk/apr2/px/APR5669s.jpg)

Sonata in A minor D845
recorded in Moscow in March 1957

Sonata in D major D850
recorded in Moscow in August 1956

Impromptu in E flat D899/2

recorded in Moscow in 1950

Sviatoslav Richter needs no introduction - he is universally regarded as one of the very greatest pianists of the 20th century. The Soviet recordings he made in the 1950s, before he started performing in the west, are generally less well known though, and here we have two major works, from a composer who was particularly close to Richter's heart which he did not revisit in the recording studio in later years.

Schubert's Sonatas D845 and D850 are certainly amongst his greatest, they immediately predate the magnificent final three (D958-960) and are written on the same vast scale. The composer's piano sonatas were little known in the 1950s particularly in the USSR, and Richter was very much a torchbearer for this music. These are sublime performances particularly in the timeless slow movements, and it is surprising how rarely these particular recordings have been reissued in the CD era. Thankfully by the later 1950's the Melodiya recorded sound was much improved and not many apologies need be made on this account.

To complete this programme we have added one of the earliest Richter recordings, that of the popular Impromptu D899/4, which dates from 1950.

APR5669   £9.99
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 15, 2009, 09:51:51 AM
Quote from: Bogey on June 15, 2009, 09:27:34 AM
What say 'ye on this recording:

(http://www.aprrecordings.co.uk/apr2/px/APR5669s.jpg)

Sonata in A minor D845
recorded in Moscow in March 1957


Bill, you haven't read my reviews?  :-[  (same performances, different label, reviewed earlier in this very thread)


Review of Schubert's Piano Sonata D 845 (there is only one commercially released performance of this work by the pianist)

  Moscow 2 March 1957 (Living Stage) – I also have this performance on Urania (marked incorrectly as D 850 on the artwork and CD) but the Living Stage has slightly better sound, so I used that one for this review. As with the D 850, the D 845 finds Richter in an austere, even harsh mood. This is not helped by the dry, cold sound evoked by the recording. Close miking only serves to intensify the harshness of forte passages, though it does help to capture all of the quiet moments well in this work. These quiet moments had a great mystery to them and provided a nice contrast to the more extrovert passages. Richter seemed to play better as he went on in this work, the second movement was so much more playful and lighter in mood that one would swear another pianist had stepped in. The finale was particularly fine, saving an otherwise marginal performance. Though I am sure that this is not the greatest recording ever made of this sonata, I do find it to be recommendable.

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Sonata in D major D850
recorded in Moscow in August 1956

Moscow 11 August 1956 (Living Stage) – Sounding a bit more rushed and sloppy than the Prague performance, in worse sound, the first movement here was a disappointment. Since this is the only other available performance of this sonata by the pianist, I was hoping for more. Unfortunately, recorded only two months later than the Prague, it was more of the same, at least in the first movement. Like the Prague, the second movement also revealed issues with the tape/piano. The playing was somewhat better, being more coherent, but still not exactly tender or profound either. Unfortunately, the sound becomes really distorted on the forte chords here and in the next movement, making a subpar interpretation sound worse. The same issue plagues the finale. Overall I prefer the Prague performance for it's less rushed and better played first movement and its better sound.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 15, 2009, 09:57:26 AM
 I was referring mainly to the APR transfer of the above recording.  Sorry about that, but the reviews brought to light here are also most helpful.

PS Also note that I visit this thread fairly infrequently. 8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 15, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: Bogey on June 15, 2009, 09:57:26 AM
I was referring mainly to the APR transfer of the above recording.  Sorry about that, but the reviews brought to light here are also most helpful.

The few APR CDs I have are decent transfers, they don't stand out as being particularly wonderful or terrible.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
Quote from: George on June 15, 2009, 09:20:41 AM
The sound is good on all the ones that I have heard. I think they are all worth getting. The Schubert and Rachmaninoff (with Preludes/Etudes) are especially good.

Thanks George for your recommendations. I have just ordered the Rachmaninoff Preludes/Etudes one and also the Schubert Sonatas D958/D960. Plus a BBC live recording with the D960 played during the 1960s.

As i am a newbie when it comes to Richter's recordings, as a general guideline, is his earlier recordings better than the ones in the 1990s? Or which of his recordings on the timeline should i go for first as piority?

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 15, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
Thanks George for your recommendations. I have just ordered the Rachmaninoff Preludes/Etudes one and also the Schubert Sonatas D958/D960. Plus a BBC live recording with the D960 played during the 1960s.

I strongly recommend the Schubert Master series that came out recently on Decca. It has two of his very best Schubert performances, the D 894 and the D 840.

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As i am a newbie when it comes to Richter's recordings, as a general guideline, is his earlier recordings better than the ones in the 1990s? Or which of his recordings on the timeline should i go for first as piority?

I wish it were that simple. For example, his best Schubert recordings (reviews posted earlier in the thread) IMO come from 1956, 1963, 1972, 1979 and 1989. So there's no real rule. I do think that in the early years (1950's) he was much more raw and austere than later on, when his tone became much more refined IMO.

I think it would be better to go after the classic Richter recordings first and then take it from there, based on what you enjoy.

These would include his Liszt Concertos with Kondrashin on Philips, the Melodiya Beethoven CD with the live Pathetique and Appassionata, the Rachmaninov PC 2 with Wislocki on DG, Bach WTC on RCA, Beethoven Cello Sonatas with Rostropovich and the solo Schumann CD on EMI. Better yet, the whole EMI Icon box would make a great starter kit.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on June 15, 2009, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 09:10:54 AM
Hi,

Would like to ask which of the recordings of Richter on the label Regis is really worth getting? And also how is the sound?

Thanks.
I have the Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov. The Rach is great; the Tchaik is great, too, actually, though I am partial to Igumnov when it comes to historical recordings, maybe because he was my first exposure to the music.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 07:00:17 PM
Quote from: George on June 15, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
I strongly recommend the Schubert Master series that came out recently on Decca. It has two of his very best Schubert performances, the D 894 and the D 840.

I wish it were that simple. For example, his best Schubert recordings (reviews posted earlier in the thread) IMO come from 1956, 1963, 1972, 1979 and 1989. So there's no real rule. I do think that in the early years (1950's) he was much more raw and austere than later on, when his tone became much more refined IMO.

I think it would be better to go after the classic Richter recordings first and then take it from there, based on what you enjoy.

These would include his Liszt Concertos with Kondrashin on Philips, the Melodiya Beethoven CD with the live Pathetique and Appassionata, the Rachmaninov PC 2 with Wislocki on DG, Bach WTC on RCA, Beethoven Cello Sonatas with Rostropovich and the solo Schumann CD on EMI. Better yet, the whole EMI Icon box would make a great starter kit.


I had my reservations at first about the Decca Master series, because i bought the one that has his Shostakovich Preludes and Scriabin pieces like the Fantasy Op. 28, and i found the sound a little murky. Maybe its just me. But i will certainly take note of the Schubert that you have mentioned.

I already have the Bach WTC, Liszt Concertos and Rachmaninov PC 2 that you have mentioned on your list.

Also there is this 6 disc live recordings on Doremi from Oct 1960 Carnegie Hall. Are they the sensational first recordings that he made when he first arrived in the States? How is the playing and also the recorded sound? Are they worth buying cos its pretty expensive everywhere. (not if you considered its 6 discs)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 15, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 07:00:17 PM
I had my reservations at first about the Decca Master series, because i bought the one that has his Shostakovich Preludes and Scriabin pieces like the Fantasy Op. 28, and i found the sound a little murky. Maybe its just me. But i will certainly take note of the Schubert that you have mentioned.

The Schubert one has great sound.

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I already have the Bach WTC, Liszt Concertos and Rachmaninov PC 2 that you have mentioned on your list.

You're off to a fine start then.  :)

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Also there is this 6 disc live recordings on Doremi from Oct 1960 Carnegie Hall. Are they the sensational first recordings that he made when he first arrived in the States? How is the playing and also the recorded sound? Are they worth buying cos its pretty expensive everywhere. (not if you considered its 6 discs)

The performance is superb, but the recorded sound is poor. Sounds like an audience recording.  :-\

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 15, 2009, 09:23:40 PM
Quote from: George on June 15, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
The performance is superb, but the recorded sound is poor. Sounds like an audience recording.  :-\

I'm not sure what Doremi used for its source material but the original source for Richter's famous series of Carnegie concerts in 1960 is actually Columbia - or more specifically, a co-production between Columbia and the Soviet copyright firm, Mezhdunarodnaya Kniga (MK). The performances aren't bootlegs.

Unfortunately the sound came out so disappointingly poor because Columbia hadn't been allowed to make the actual recordings. MK took charge of that and did little more than take Carnegie's house tapes and use them as the source material. But Carnegie's house set-up in those days wasn't anything elaborate. It's main use was to provide performers with tapes of their performances simply for documentary purposes. So technical standards were relatively low.

And so this is what MK handed Columbia for issuing purposes.

Just why MK took this route is speculation but one thing's for certain: these concerts were recorded without Richter's knowledge and released without his approval. Which probably means MK anticipated Richter's apprehension at being recorded (he hated microphones) and Columbia's sprawling network of cables and microphones would've easily tipped him off to what was transpiring - and he would've no doubt vetoed the whole thing. So MK took the discretionary route in using Carnegie's house set-up.

And the rest is history: Richter eventually DID veto these recordings and for almost half a century they were great rarities.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on June 15, 2009, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 07:00:17 PM

Also there is this 6 disc live recordings on Doremi from Oct 1960 Carnegie Hall. Are they the sensational first recordings that he made when he first arrived in the States? How is the playing and also the recorded sound? Are they worth buying cos its pretty expensive everywhere. (not if you considered its 6 discs)

I'd only take Doremi as a last resort. They have very peculiar sound preferences.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 16, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 15, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
Or which of his recordings on the timeline should i go for first as piority?

As I mentioned earlier, I'd suggest taking on a performance basis, as I have heard his best work on specific performances of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.

I finally dug out a list I made for a friend on another board of recommendations for Richter CDs. I will post it below for you:

1. Prokofiev Piano Sonatas 6-8, Sofia Recital - Great Pianists of the Century or get the Sofia Recital separately on Philips, but the Prokofiev is not to be missed (PM me if you have trouble finding it.)

2. Beethoven Sonatas Pathetique and Appassionata, Bagatelles and Choral Fantasy on Melodiya (THE best Beethoven disc Richter has put out)

3. Beethoven Sonatas 109 -111 "Live at Leipzig" on Parnassus

4. Rachmaninoff PC 2 and Prokofiev PC 5 on DG (better than the one with the Tchaikovsky coupling, another essential Richter CD)

5. Liszt Piano Concertos cond by Kondrashin on Philips

6. Schumann Fantasy in C on Various EMI CDs

7. Schumann Waldszenen, 6 Fantasiestucke, Toccata, Novellette, Marsch on DG (not the Supraphon as the sound is not as good)

8. Bach WTC Live at Innsbruck on Victor or the much easier to find RCA Salzburg version where the performance is still very good, but the sound is somewhat over-reverberant

9. Debussy Preludes complete on BBC Legends

10. Chopin/Scriabin on Praga and any other Richter Praga CDs you can get including the whole set (very expensive.)

11. Also, any Schubert by the pianist you can get!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 16, 2009, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: Brian on June 15, 2009, 05:09:35 PM
I have the Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov. The Rach is great; the Tchaik is great, too, actually, though I am partial to Igumnov when it comes to historical recordings, maybe because he was my first exposure to the music.

Thanks so much for the recommendations, i will look into the Tchaikovsky now and i totally agree about the "first exposure" My "first exposure" to Richter was his Liszt piano concertos and i still have not found a better version.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 16, 2009, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: George on June 16, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
As I mentioned earlier, I'd suggest taking on a performance basis, as I have heard his best work on specific performances of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.

I finally dug out a list I made for a friend on another board of recommendations for Richter CDs. I will post it below for you:

1. Prokofiev Piano Sonatas 6-8, Sofia Recital - Great Pianists of the Century or get the Sofia Recital separately on Philips, but the Prokofiev is not to be missed (PM me if you have trouble finding it.)

2. Beethoven Sonatas Pathetique and Appassionata, Bagatelles and Choral Fantasy on Melodiya (THE best Beethoven disc Richter has put out)

3. Beethoven Sonatas 109 -111 "Live at Leipzig" on Parnassus

4. Rachmaninoff PC 2 and Prokofiev PC 5 on DG (better than the one with the Tchaikovsky coupling, another essential Richter CD)

5. Liszt Piano Concertos cond by Kondrashin on Philips

6. Schumann Fantasy in C on Various EMI CDs

7. Schumann Waldszenen, 6 Fantasiestucke, Toccata, Novellette, Marsch on DG (not the Supraphon as the sound is not as good)

8. Bach WTC Live at Innsbruck on Victor or the much easier to find RCA Salzburg version where the performance is still very good, but the sound is somewhat over-reverberant

9. Debussy Preludes complete on BBC Legends

10. Chopin/Scriabin on Praga and any other Richter Praga CDs you can get including the whole set (very expensive.)

11. Also, any Schubert by the pianist you can get!

Wow, thats a great list for a beginner for me, thanks a lot once again. I tried looking through my cds and actually managed to find the Sofia recital and two other cds that are not on your list now. Cant believe i only tried listening to the Schubert Impromptus and Pictures at an exhibition inside. I have never seen the Melodiya Beethoven disc around though.

You know something? I actually felt that the Doremi Carnegie Hall recordings sound actually alright. The great playing actually shines through. Thanks for the lowering of expectations for me and when i compared it to the William Kapell Rediscovered cd, this is still so much better.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 16, 2009, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 16, 2009, 04:06:06 PM
Wow, thats a great list for a beginner for me, thanks a lot once again. I tried looking through my cds and actually managed to find the Sofia recital and two other cds that are not on your list now. Cant believe i only tried listening to the Schubert Impromptus and Pictures at an exhibition inside. I have never seen the Melodiya Beethoven disc around though.

It's here - http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Vol-2/dp/B000001HCQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1245197389&sr=8-4

Quote
You know something? I actually felt that the Doremi Carnegie Hall recordings sound actually alright. The great playing actually shines through. Thanks for the lowering of expectations for me and when i compared it to the William Kapell Rediscovered cd, this is still so much better.

LOL, that's happens sometimes for me, too.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 16, 2009, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 15, 2009, 09:27:34 AM
What say 'ye on this recording:

(http://www.aprrecordings.co.uk/apr2/px/APR5669s.jpg)

Sonata in A minor D845
recorded in Moscow in March 1957

Sonata in D major D850
recorded in Moscow in August 1956

Impromptu in E flat D899/2

recorded in Moscow in 1950

That's very tempting, Bill. And probably the best of the transfers available. Still, the original Melodiya recordings are bound to be best of all but since they're currently unavailable (why?) there's little for one to do.

I actually have this D.845 on Urania, and I enjoy the performance, but unfortunately Urania isn't one of the more honorable record labels out there (they're pirate). Which means sound-wise things could be a whole lot better.

Anyway, if you take the plunge let us know your impressions. :) 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on June 17, 2009, 12:39:51 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with George's suggestions and would like to add these:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TBJZ4WD0L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

some of the best Rachmaninov playing you'll ever hear.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QN2T39KFL._SL500_AA240_.jpg) Schubert, outside of the sonatas, by a master.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TWA1NMG1L._SL500_AA240_.jpg) The best Brahms PC2 ever (IMHO) plus a brilliant LvB Appassionata!

And not to be missed, his Debussy.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JD1PT99NL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 17, 2009, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: Holden on June 17, 2009, 12:39:51 AM
some of the best Rachmaninov playing you'll ever hear.

I fully agree. I didn't include this one because he said he already got it.  :)

Quote
And not to be missed, his Debussy.

I listed that one. I guess you missed it.  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 17, 2009, 07:34:24 AM
Thanks George and Holden for all the recommendations.

I am now ordering the BBC Debussy on MDT now. Cant wait for all of them to arrive.

I also saw this, and its Praga.

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/PR54056.jpg)

Is it any good?

I couldnt find it on the Trovar discography.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 17, 2009, 07:37:23 AM
Quote from: Zhiliang on June 17, 2009, 07:34:24 AM
Thanks George and Holden for all the recommendations.

Your welcome!

Quote
I also saw this, and its Praga.

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/PR54056.jpg)

Is it any good?

Well, it made my list:

Quote from: George on June 16, 2009, 02:57:07 PM

10. Chopin/Scriabin on Praga and any other Richter Praga CDs you can get including the whole set (very expensive.)


In other words, yes! It's superb!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Zhiliang on June 17, 2009, 07:58:19 AM
Haha, you are making me poor  ;D

Ordered 7 Richter discs in the last 3 days.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on June 17, 2009, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: George on June 17, 2009, 02:39:55 AM
I fully agree. I didn't include this one because he said he already got it.  :)

I listed that one. I guess you missed it.  ;D

It's end of term. I'm tired, jaded and maybe a bit of dementia is setting in!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 17, 2009, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: Holden on June 17, 2009, 12:08:26 PM
It's end of term. I'm tired, jaded and maybe a bit of dementia is setting in!

Hey another plug for Richter's Debussy certainly can't hurt, right?  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on June 18, 2009, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: George on June 17, 2009, 12:10:17 PM
Hey another plug for Richter's Debussy certainly can't hurt, right?  :)

Thanks George, the sentiment is really appreciated.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ezodisy on June 21, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
not sure if this has been mentioned yet

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3577540

Sviatoslav Richter in Budapest

Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C Minor, D958
Schumann: Toccata in C Major op. 7
Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition
Rachmaninov: Prelude in G-sharp Minor op. 32 No. 12
Debussy: Preludes Book 1 : The Hills of Anacapri
Debussy: Images Series 2 : Bells through the Leaves

Sviatoslav Richter, piano

recorded 9-Feb-1958

The Budapest performance is more closely and sympathetically recorded than the Sofia one (though the audience seems not much healthier). Again, it is the courage of this performance that deserves to be singled out - the huge risks he takes, most of which pay off brilliantly.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 22, 2009, 05:05:10 AM
Quote from: ezodisy on June 21, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
not sure if this has been mentioned yet....


Thanks for that, ez. Edward actually brought it up here. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3196.msg303164.html#msg303164)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 23, 2009, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Que on October 18, 2007, 05:34:51 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4173PTA5KRL._AA240_.jpg)

Brahms
Sonata No. 1 in C Op. 1
Sonata No. 2 in f sharp Op. 2
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 1
Variations on a Theme by Paganini, Op. 35: Book 2
Klavierstücke, Op. 118: No. 3 - Ballade in g
Klavierstücke, Op. 119: No. 4 - Rhapsody in E flat
Fantasien, Op. 116: No. 5 - Intermezzo in e
Klavierstücke, Op. 76: No. 8 - Capriccio in C   

Schumann
Fantasia in C, Op. 17
March in g, Op.76 No. 10
Concert Studies On Caprices by Paginini, Op. 10: no. 4 in c, no. 5 in b, and no. 6 in e
Novellette in F Op. 21 No. 1
Blumenstück, Op. 19
Nachtstücke, Op. 23


Q

Did you (or anyone else) ever get this set? I have never seen it for less than $80, then today it popped up for $45 at amazon. I decided to think it over (for some crazy reason) and it was gone an hour later when I went back.  :-[
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Que on June 23, 2009, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: George on June 23, 2009, 05:44:01 PM
Did you (or anyone else) ever get this set? I have never seen it for less than $80, then today it popped up for $45 at amazon. I decided to think it over (for some crazy reason) and it was gone an hour later when I went back.  :-[

Yes I did! :) Much to my satisfaction. ;D
I forgot how much I paid but it was somewhere in the region of $45.

Q
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 15, 2009, 05:43:56 PM
(http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s300x300/4778122.jpg)

Just read a message over at the Sviatoslav Richter Yahoo group about the mastering on this set. Apparently DG claims that the set has been remastered, yet the person who posted on the Yahoo group reports that there is no sound difference compared to earlier CD releases. I haven't got it myself because I have all but one work from the set, but wanted to report this for people like me who thought that they might be missing out on a sound upgrade by not buying the set.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 17, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 17, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
I would add the Preiser recording of Chopin Preludes.

Just got this today. Should get to it over the weekend.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 17, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: George on July 17, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
Just got this today. Should get to it over the weekend.

Did you just order this, George? If so, the same concert is on Ankh in improved sound and might be the better buy. I have the Ankh and can attest to the wonderful refurbishing they bestowed on the sound. Much better than anything else I've heard from a live Russian concert from the early 50's (1950 in fact).

Plus there's more filler on the Ankh including two nocturnes that can only be found on this disc.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 17, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 17, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
Did you just order this, George? If so, the same concert is on Ankh in improved sound and might be the better buy. I have the Ankh and can attest to the wonderful refurbishing they bestowed on the sound. Much better than anything else I've heard from a live Russian concert from the early 50's (1950 in fact).

Plus there's more filler on the Ankh including two nocturnes that can only be found on this disc.

I bought the Preiser at a local store. Is the Ankh reasonably priced and easy to find?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 17, 2009, 05:13:27 PM
Quote from: George on July 17, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
Is the Ankh reasonably priced and easy to find?

Yes, it's on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_m_pop/?search-alias=popular&unfiltered=1&field-keywords=&field-artist=&field-title=&field-label=ankh&field-binding=&sort=relevancerank&Adv-Srch-Music-Album-Submit.x=0&Adv-Srch-Music-Album-Submit.y=0) and goes for around $21-22 or so (it's volume 1). That seems to be the going rate for Ankh discs even if you order from the company directly.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 17, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 17, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
Did you just order this, George? If so, the same concert is on Ankh in improved sound and might be the better buy. I have the Ankh and can attest to the wonderful refurbishing they bestowed on the sound. Much better than anything else I've heard from a live Russian concert from the early 50's (1950 in fact).

Plus there's more filler on the Ankh including two nocturnes that can only be found on this disc.

I wonder if Ward Marston will be releasing this in that Naxos series he started this year of Richter early recordings? They labeled that CD volume one, certainly suggesting that there will be more to follow. I will ask the guy who answers the phones at Marston records if he knows anything about it.  
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 17, 2009, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: George on July 17, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
I wonder if Ward Marston will be releasing this in that Naxos series he started this year of Richter early recordings? They labeled that CD volume one, certainly suggesting that there will be more to follow. I will ask the guy who answers the phones at Marston records if he knows anything about it. 

Be anxious to hear what they have to say, too!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 22, 2009, 04:55:15 PM
I just spoke to Scott Kessler (Ward Marston's business partner) over at Marston Records. After he briefly spoke to Ward about a few questions I had, he told me two things:

1. That 1950 Moscow Chopin recital won't appear on Naxos, as Melodiya owns the rights to the recordings.

2. The Naxos Richter series will only continue if Naxos wants to do so. He told me that the only recordings that will/can get issued are the older Richter recordings, pre-1959 (older than 50 years and therefore fair game.) This may include some of the performances already released on Parnassus, but then again, may be stuff that has never appeared before. Time will tell I guess.

I suggest that folks buy that Richter early recordings CD on Naxos to help send them a message that we want more Richter.  8)

   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 22, 2009, 06:18:11 PM
I don't quite follow Kessler's logic. Does Melodiya claim some special copyright law that supersedes all others?

That 1950 Chopin/Moscow recital obviously falls before the 1959 cutoff date and therefore should be fair game. Marston shouldn't have any trouble at all releasing it - both Ankh and Preiser already have!

Not to mention there's a vault full of Melodiya Richter recordings that's never made it to CD, many I'm sure well beyond the reach of copyright protection (pre-1959). I mean, it'd be a smorgasbord!

So what is this guy really saying? ???

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 22, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Don, if you want to know more, Marston lists their phone number at the top of their website. I only wanted to know if Ward would be mastering that 1950 Moscow concert. The why of it doesn't matter to me. 

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 22, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: George on July 22, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Don, if you want to know more, Marston lists their phone number at the top of their website. I only wanted to know if Ward would be mastering that 1950 Moscow concert. The why of it doesn't matter to me. 

It's not really important to me, either, but I don't find anything the least satisfactory in his answer! :-\

Historical labels know what's under copyright or not. At least the credible ones do. If no one from the Marston/Naxos team is interested in releasing that particular Moscow recital that's fine and dandy. Just don't be jiving on about copyright when none is applicable. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 22, 2009, 09:00:29 PM
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to relate your findings, George. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 23, 2009, 02:58:54 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 22, 2009, 09:00:29 PM
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to relate your findings, George. :)

Your welcome.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 05, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
Hey, George.

Figured I'd bring your question here for safer keeping. :)

It also might be handy to give something like a briefing into the qualities of this RCA set as Richter in America isn't all that common on disc.

Not to mention it's a good excuse to resurrect this, err...one-of-a-kind thread! ;D

Quote from: George on December 05, 2009, 04:49:09 AM
Believe it or not, that is one Richter CD that I have yet to get. I forget why, but I think it has to do with a few people not recommending it. How's the rest of the set?

In the first place it's interesting to read that this set might have enemies. Personally I can't hear any reason to hate it. In fact, after consideration I rate this as one of the most extraordinary recitals ever recorded by Richter (actually one recital and a handful of encores from a recital a couple days later).

I bought this set initially on the strength of Prokofiev's Visions Fugitives which I happened to sample a while back at a used CD shop. But sampling in no way prepared me for what was to come as I sat down with this set to listen (over the course of several days, in actuality).

First off, listening to the Visions Fugitives confirmed what I had sampled earlier: this is simply unparalleled Prokofiev playing. Scorching and ultra-poetic. In fact, it's the best I've heard by Richter on disc (which means the best I've heard for this work).

Next came Prokofiev's sixth sonata, and this is where I began to look on this set as something quite out of the ordinary. Initially I wasn't sure just what to expect with this sixth: how could this version differ all that much from the four other Richter recordings of the sixth I own? It didn't take long for my ears to perk up and draw me in to what was unfolding over the loud-speakers. Concentration on a staggering level. Prokofiev with every element of his artistry fully dissected and made visible to me. And by 'artistry' I of course mean everything that makes Prokofiev great: dynamism, color, poetry, quick wit, and perhaps that "razor-sharp angles" thing (though a misnomer, really). This performance is simply a three-dimensional exploration of every nook and cranny of the score...and it's totally eye-popping!

And it's precisely this that differentiates this particular sixth from the other four I have. All the elements gather together here to produce Prokofiev on the highest of levels. I can't praise it highly enough. (Needless to say it's my favorite sixth).

There are of course other works on this set. The Chopin third Ballade and fourth Scherzo are both about the finest of their kind on disc. Again comparisons to other Richter recordings of these works are revealing: in London seven months later (on BBC Legends) and in Italy a year or so later (on DG) find Richter already assimilating some of the musical influences he'd undoubtedly picked up from his contact (first time) with the west. The Chopin in Europe is a bit more refined and more "flowing" (as opposed to "poetic") but hardly more compelling. Comparisons with New York find Richter already fully in command of the Chopin aesthetic (goes without saying) but what distinguishes these NY performances is his hyper-kinetic tendencies (eruptions!) when the music shifts out of the poetic and into the virtuosic. Here the fingerwork takes on something akin to the superhuman - but clean as a whistle and never sounding tacked on to the musical line like a malignancy. It's technical pianistic wizardry combined with poetry like I've never heard it.

Ditto the lone Debussy piece which again is more "agitated" in NY (over London, 1961) but with no loss of poetry.

In fact, I'm almost tempted to say the surroundings (America) are in large measure what's to blame for all this "agitation". But "agitation" here isn't meant to infer anything in the pejorative (at all!). Perhaps it's more apt to say something akin to an adrenalin surge is evident in the playing possibly brought on by many factors, such as nerves, isolation, fear, etc, and to survive the American experience Richter simply buried himself in the music. Conjecture, yes, but based on the MUSICAL evidence something was at work on his psyche, and the outpouring of insight, energy, and poetry is on the grandest of scales.

It's worth noting that Richter gave his full approval for these recordings to be released - something he NEVER took lightly - so perhaps this is a sign that he, too, recognized something special in this recital (plus encores). Dunno...but these performances sure blew me away.

The sound is vintage early stereo, clean, clear, but a bit dry and crimped with some washing out in very loud passages. Overall though top-notch sound for the era.

(BTW, George, the Haydn sonata is delectable, too! ;D).


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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 06, 2009, 07:19:02 AM
Thanks for your thoughtful and informative post, Don! That set just moved to the top of my wishlist!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on December 06, 2009, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 05, 2009, 08:37:35 PM

Ditto the lone Debussy piece which again is more "agitated" in NY (over London, 1961) but with no loss of poetry.

In fact, I'm almost tempted to say the surroundings (America) are in large measure what's to blame for all this "agitation". But "agitation" here isn't meant to infer anything in the pejorative (at all!). Perhaps it's more apt to say something akin to an adrenalin surge is evident in the playing possibly brought on by many factors, such as nerves, isolation, fear, etc, and to survive the American experience Richter simply buried himself in the music. Conjecture, yes, but based on the MUSICAL evidence something was at work on his psyche, and the outpouring of insight, energy, and poetry is on the grandest of scales.

It's worth noting that Richter gave his full approval for these recordings to be released - something he NEVER took lightly - so perhaps this is a sign that he, too, recognized something special in this recital (plus encores). Dunno...but these performances sure blew me away.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nYkaaJ8iL._SS400_.jpg)

Don, I commend you on the description of Richter's "agitation" during his 1960 US visit. The attributes you describe in his RCA December Carnegie performances are there (perhaps even moreso) in his series of October 1960 Carnegie performances, originally released on US Columbia, withdrawn and OOP for decades, then re-released on CD on Doremi.

Of course, Richter did NOT approve those for release (I disagree with his opinion -- he may be the artist, but I know what my ears like), hence  their withdrawal and long absence except in the archives of vinyl collectors such as yours truly. It is the agitation factor that I find both problematic yet appealing in the October items. The Beethoven Appassionata is a good example; even though I look on his early-1960 Moscow performance as a more recommendable live version and his December US (RCA) studio version as a superb performance of its kind, I continue to be fascinated by the sheer live presence and nervous tension conveyed in the Carnegie sets, through which Richter's skills nevertheless shine through.

All of this, of course, is a sidebar the main issue -- which is to assure George that the December Carnegie set on RCA is indeed worth getting. And it appears that you were successful. Go get it, George.
;D

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 06, 2009, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on December 06, 2009, 09:51:16 AM
All of this, of course, is a sidebar the main issue -- which is to assure George that the December Carnegie set on RCA is indeed worth getting. And it appears that you were successful. Go get it, George.
;D

Cheers,

Dirk

If only my wallet bulged as much my shelves do.  :-[

All in good time.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: George on December 06, 2009, 07:19:02 AM
Thanks for your thoughtful and informative post, Don! That set just moved to the top of my wishlist!  :)

Anytime, bro. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on December 06, 2009, 09:51:16 AM
Don, I commend you on the description of Richter's "agitation" during his 1960 US visit.

Thanks, dirk.

QuoteThe attributes you describe in his RCA December Carnegie performances are there (perhaps even moreso) in his series of October 1960 Carnegie performances, originally released on US Columbia, withdrawn and OOP for decades, then re-released on CD on Doremi.

Of course, Richter did NOT approve those for release (I disagree with his opinion -- he may be the artist, but I know what my ears like), hence  their withdrawal and long absence except in the archives of vinyl collectors such as yours truly. It is the agitation factor that I find both problematic yet appealing in the October items. The Beethoven Appassionata is a good example; even though I look on his early-1960 Moscow performance as a more recommendable live version and his December US (RCA) studio version as a superb performance of its kind, I continue to be fascinated by the sheer live presence and nervous tension conveyed in the Carnegie sets, through which Richter's skills nevertheless shine through.

How interesting. So it was "agitation" from the word go for Richter in Carnegie. I suppose this was to be expected - expectations must've ran extraordinarily high for him, being the foremost Soviet musician at the time to visit America.

How do you rate the Columbia series overall, dirk? You mention the tense Appassionata. I haven't heard a single note from this series but if it's anything like the RCA concert it's as close to a must-have as anything out there. (But how I WISH a first-rate historical label - say, Marston - would get hold of these tapes and remaster them properly.)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 06, 2009, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
How interesting. So it was "agitation" from the word go for Richter in Carnegie. I suppose this was to be expected - expectations must've ran extraordinarily high for him, being the foremost Soviet musician at the time to visit America.

How do you rate the Columbia series overall, dirk? You mention the tense Appassionata. I haven't heard a single note from this series but if it's anything like the RCA concert it's as close to a must-have as anything out there. (But how I WISH a first-rate historical label - say, Marston - would get hold of these tapes and remaster them properly.)

My understanding is that like many of Doremi's releases, the source came from an audience recording and therefore couldn't be much improved upon, regardless of who remastered it.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2009, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: George on December 06, 2009, 06:10:13 PM
My understanding is that like many of Doremi's releases, the source came from an audience recording and therefore couldn't be much improved upon, regardless of who remastered it.  :-\

That would be startling if true. To date I hadn't heard of any audience source for these Carnegie concerts. Where in the world did they unearth them?? :o

But what I was referring to was someone like Marston getting hold of the original Carnegie tapes and remastering them - the tapes which Columbia used for their LPs. :)

But that IS intriguing about the bootleg Carnegie performances. Any additional information, George?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 07, 2009, 03:16:51 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2009, 06:52:18 PM
But what I was referring to was someone like Marston getting hold of the original Carnegie tapes and remastering them - the tapes which Columbia used for their LPs. :)

Oh, I see. That would be great, as would someone simply transferring these LPs to CD.

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But that IS intriguing about the bootleg Carnegie performances. Any additional information, George?

No, sorry.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on December 07, 2009, 06:34:29 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
How do you rate the Columbia series overall, dirk? You mention the tense Appassionata. I haven't heard a single note from this series but if it's anything like the RCA concert it's as close to a must-have as anything out there. (But how I WISH a first-rate historical label - say, Marston - would get hold of these tapes and remaster them properly.)

Agree completely with your wish, Don. The October Carnegies deserve better treatment and wider dissemination among collectors IMO. The Doremi set actually offers more music than the seven Columbia records (3 double-LPs & 1 single) provide, so we're not talking apples-to-apples comparison. Still, the house tapes from which Columbia got their releases SHOULD have all the music on them. I hadn't heard anything definitive about the source for the Doremi release, but the idea that it could be an audience/pirate tape really never occurred to me.

As for my "rating" the Columbia series: I'm afraid I've taken so long (originally) tracking down my copies of the LPs and lived with the performances so many years that my opinions are permanently warped and thus unreliable. Objectively speaking, I'd rate the Carnegie October series as less essential than, say, the Richter in Prague set and the Melodiya/BMG Richter Edition. Still, IMO any Richterphile worth his or her mania will want to hear the performances, and to this end it's good to have the Doremi issues. But now having gotten copies of the Doremi CDs, I'm still not going to give up my LPs. Old and sonically limited (and in a couple of cases, scratched--side 4 of my all Prokofiev set is essentially unplayable) as they are, the Columbias seem to capture a certain depth and warmth that the Doremi transfers don't. And whether this "warmth" was filtered out via digital processing or simply missed in whatever "original" tapes were used, I obviously have no idea.

Regardless, we're talking about recordings of an occasion...and one that certainly put Richter in the spotlight big time. The Appassionata I referred to came, of course, as an encore piece AFTER he'd given an entire evening of other Beethoven sonatas. The other pieces were given in beautifully structured but rather restrained (for Richter) form, yet I think it's fair to say that the "agitation" factor underlies them all; and this, in turn, made the speeds and let-it-loose presentation of the Appassionata stand out that much more. So while it hardly qualifies as a mainstream or first choice rendition, it's truly an edge-of-your-seat listening experience. All just my opinion, of course, but man...I STILL squirm in my seat when hearing it, even after all these years.

OK, 'nuff of this. Gotta get to work. I'll pop back in later if I think of anything further to add.

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on December 07, 2009, 11:07:19 AM
From what I have read the noise problems on the Doremi set were caused by nearby subway trains and not a turntable rumble. It appears only on some of the recordings. The question I've got to ask is; with all the live recordings made at Carnegie Hall, how come this hasn't been noticed in other recordings?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 07, 2009, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: dirkronk on December 07, 2009, 06:34:29 AM
Objectively speaking, I'd rate the Carnegie October series as less essential than, say, the Richter in Prague set and the Melodiya/BMG Richter Edition. Still, IMO any Richterphile worth his or her mania will want to hear the performances, and to this end it's good to have the Doremi issues.

Whew...that helps. Yes my mania cries for a Marston issue of these concerts but in the meantime I can console myself in the rest of my collection. ;D

QuoteBut now having gotten copies of the Doremi CDs, I'm still not going to give up my LPs. Old and sonically limited (and in a couple of cases, scratched--side 4 of my all Prokofiev set is essentially unplayable) as they are, the Columbias seem to capture a certain depth and warmth that the Doremi transfers don't. And whether this "warmth" was filtered out via digital processing or simply missed in whatever "original" tapes were used, I obviously have no idea.

Yeah, most of us I suppose wish those Doremi issues (any of them) were better produced. Perhaps that's the best they can do with the funds they have (pity, though...they do seem to find some gems).

QuoteRegardless, we're talking about recordings of an occasion...and one that certainly put Richter in the spotlight big time. The Appassionata I referred to came, of course, as an encore piece AFTER he'd given an entire evening of other Beethoven sonatas. The other pieces were given in beautifully structured but rather restrained (for Richter) form, yet I think it's fair to say that the "agitation" factor underlies them all;....

Funnily enough Richter relates the story in I believe Notebooks (or maybe IPQ) of being so keyed up by these first Carnegie concerts that it took tranquilizers to settle him down enough to perform. But the effect of the tranquilizers apparently clashed with the electricity of the event and produced an almost circus-like altered state in him - he relates how the sound of a wrong note almost brought him to laughter! I wonder how much of THIS is our "agitation". ;D

Anyway, thanks for your insight, dirk. As always it's appreciated.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 07, 2009, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Holden on December 07, 2009, 11:07:19 AM
From what I have read the noise problems on the Doremi set were caused by nearby subway trains and not a turntable rumble. It appears only on some of the recordings. The question I've got to ask is; with all the live recordings made at Carnegie Hall, how come this hasn't been noticed in other recordings?

It might have something to do with the nature of these particular recordings. The thing is, they were never professionally produced - that is to say, although Columbia ISSUED these recordings they didn't actually RECORD them. MK took charge of that per the deal they made with Columbia and merely left the production part of the recordings to the less than world-class facilities of Carnegie's in-house setup. In those days the in-house facility's main function was simply to provide performers with rough recordings of their concerts as a way to document the event. Little more.

It isn't know just why MK took this route but speculation must center on the fact that Richter hated the presence of microphones sprawled about on stage and most likely would have vehemently objected to any attempts to record him (and with him already on edge.........). MK probably knew this and simply found a way to circumvent any objections by using the more basic (hidden?) in-house set up.

So this might explain the presence of train noise in the recordings. Non-professional recordings with a pickup perhaps too near a wall or something might account for this.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 02, 2010, 06:58:48 PM
Tonight I compared 5 Richter performances of Schubert's D 575 -

Moscow 1965, Brilliant
Florence 1966, Philips/Decca
Aldeburgh 1966, Living Stage
Tokyo, 1979, Regis 
London, 1979, BBC

The winner is the Florence 1966 Philips performance (also found on the recently remastered Master series but in slightly better sound in the earlier OOP edition):

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41T3WRM60HL.jpg)

All five versions were similarly paced (and performed for that matter), but this one had by far the best sound and was the most lively. That makes a perfect three for three on the Richter Master Schubert series (along with the above OOP Philips Set), as all three sonatas contained are the best versions of those works by the pianist IMO. This is the Schubert Decca set from the Master series:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/313bN2Yg3DL.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 02, 2010, 07:38:04 PM
Finally, I compared the three available performances of Schubert's D 566 sonata tonight:

1964 Aldeburgh - Living Stage
1978 Moscow - Brilliant
1978 Munich - Victor/Japan

The timings here were almost identical, but the sound varied greatly. In this respect the Brilliant Classics version was clearly superior.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510EK0Y2NEL.jpg)

Richter's full tone was captured wonderfully, revealing the pianists dark, mysterious reading. Only the end of the second movement, when the sound bounced back and forth from left to right channel was there any problems with the sound. The finale radiated light and serenity.   

So this ends my survey of the available Schubert sonata recordings by Richter. I have summarized my results below (work, place, year and label.) For D 845 there is only one performance available.

D 960 Prague - 1972 - Praga
D 958 Salzburg - 1972 - Regis
D 894 London - 1989 - Philips/Decca (Philips has slightly better sound)
D 850 Prague - 1956 - Praga (better sound than Music and Arts)
D 845 Moscow - 1957 - Living Stage (better sound than Urania)
D 840 Salzburg - 1979 - Philips/Decca (Philips has slightly better sound)
D 784 Tokyo - 1979 - Regis
D 664 Paris - 1963 - EMI
D 625 Munich - 1978 - Victor/Japan
D 575 Florence - 1966 - Philips/Decca (Philips has slightly better sound)
D 566 Moscow - 1978 - Brilliant Classics
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 03, 2010, 06:53:58 AM
Quote from: George on January 02, 2010, 07:38:04 PM
Finally, I compared the three available performances of Schubert's D 566 sonata tonight:

1964 Aldeburgh - Living Stage
1978 Moscow - Brilliant
1978 Munich - Victor/Japan

The timings here were almost identical, but the sound varied greatly. In this respect the Brilliant Classics version was clearly superior.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510EK0Y2NEL.jpg)

Richter's full tone was captured wonderfully, revealing the pianists dark, mysterious reading. Only the end of the second movement, when the sound bounced back and forth from left to right channel was there any problems with the sound. The finale radiated light and serenity.   

So this ends my survey of the available Schubert sonata recordings by Richter. I have summarized my results below (work, place, year and label.) For D 845 there is only one performance available.

D 960 Prague - 1972 - Praga
D 958 Salzburg - 1972 - Regis
D 894 London - 1989 - Philips/Decca (Philips has slightly better sound)
D 850 Prague - 1956 - Praga (better sound than Music and Arts)
D 845 Moscow - 1957 - Living Stage (better sound than Urania)
D 840 Salzburg - 1979 - Philips/Decca (Philips has slightly better sound)
D 784 Tokyo - 1979 - Regis
D 664 Paris - 1963 - EMI
D 625 Munich - 1978 - Victor/Japan
D 575 Florence - 1966 - Philips/Decca (Philips has slightly better sound)
D 566 Moscow - 1978 - Brilliant Classics

That's very useful -- thanks George.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 05, 2010, 08:54:22 AM
Richter on Scriabin - a 1965 interview

http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2010/01/richter-on-scriabin-by-faubion-bowers.html
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on January 05, 2010, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: George on January 05, 2010, 08:54:22 AM
Richter on Scriabin - a 1965 interview

http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2010/01/richter-on-scriabin-by-faubion-bowers.html

Great! Thanks for the find George.

He is right on the money on many things in that interview, like that about Scriabinists, Scriabin's music is perfectly fine on its own, no need for angles, mystical, theosophical or what not.

He is also right about his recording of 5th Sonata on DG not really being that good (not close to Prague).

But the thing that most made me smile is about Liszt's Mephisto Waltz being glaringly proto-Scriabin, same thought dawned on me few years ago while listening to Samuil Feinberg's recording of Mephisto Waltz, maybe not so obvious with other pianists but Feinberg emphasizes the connections unmistakably. I think I can even guess which passage Richter played to the interviewer - starting maybe 15 seconds before 6th minute and lasting till some scales come in, also hear the raising passage about 7:45 (in Feiberg's recording).

Feinberg disc with that Mephisto Waltz is long out of print, one of those ancient Harmonia Mundi's, so I hope nobody will object to link for flac rip? Rest of the disc consists of Tchaikovsky op.80 Sonata and Chopin op.59 Mazurkas (LP length)
http://rapidshare.com/files/177380753/feinberg__samuel.rar

I'm not very up to date with Richter's discography, is 1994 Ludwigshafen still his only recording of Scriabin's 7th Sonata?

   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 05, 2010, 11:58:24 AM
Quote from: Drasko on January 05, 2010, 11:51:28 AM
Great! Thanks for the find George.

Your welcome. I was beginning to think that no one else found that interview informative.

Quote
He is right on the money on many things in that interview, like that about Scriabinists, Scriabin's music is perfectly fine on its own, no need for angles, mystical, theosophical or what not.

He is also right about his recording of 5th Sonata on DG not really being that good (not close to Prague).

I have both, I should compare. 

Quote
But the thing that most made me smile is about Liszt's Mephisto Waltz being glaringly proto-Scriabin, same thought dawned on me few years ago while listening to Samuil Feinberg's recording of Mephisto Waltz, maybe not so obvious with other pianists but Feinberg emphasizes the connections unmistakably. I think I can even guess which passage Richter played to the interviewer - starting maybe 15 seconds before 6th minute and lasting till some scales come in, also hear the raising passage about 7:45 (in Feiberg's recording).

Feinberg disc with that Mephisto Waltz is long out of print, one of those ancient Harmonia Mundi's, so I hope nobody will object to link for flac rip? Rest of the disc consists of Tchaikovsky op.80 Sonata and Chopin op.59 Mazurkas (LP length)
http://rapidshare.com/files/177380753/feinberg__samuel.rar

Awesome! Thanks for that!

Quote
I'm not very up to date with Richter's discography, is 1994 Ludwigshafen still his only recording of Scriabin's 7th Sonata?

The webmaster at Trovar told me that he'd be updating the website soon, but that was months ago. I bet if you ask over at the Richter Yahoo group they'd know. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bhodges on January 05, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: George on January 05, 2010, 08:54:22 AM
Richter on Scriabin - a 1965 interview

http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2010/01/richter-on-scriabin-by-faubion-bowers.html

Thanks for this, George.  Loved the side comment about the Yevtushenko poem, about the students working to earn money for all-Scriabin concerts.  And this gave me a chuckle, too: "Scriabinists are tiresome people."  ;D

I might like the Ninth the best, as well, although I still burn a candle for No. 5, the first one I ever heard (with Horowitz).  And even now, over 40 years later, Scriabin still seems underplayed here.  (But then, 1900 is the cut-off date for many people in their listening.  :'()

--Bruce
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 05, 2010, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: bhodges on January 05, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Thanks for this, George.  Loved the side comment about the Yevtushenko poem, about the students working to earn money for all-Scriabin concerts.  And this gave me a chuckle, too: "Scriabinists are tiresome people."  ;D

I might like the Ninth the best, as well, although I still burn a candle for No. 5, the first one I ever heard (with Horowitz).  And even now, over 40 years later, Scriabin still seems underplayed here.  (But then, 1900 is the cut-off date for many people in their listening.  :'()

--Bruce

Yes, I got into Scriabin very early on with Ashkenazy's set of the solo works and later with Ogdon's. Both pianists play this music wonderfully, though many of Richter's performances are incredible! I like some of what Horowitz recorded as well.

I think getting a set of the sonatas (with some other solo works) like in the 2 CD set by Ogdon on EMI is a great way to get into the composer. the works are presented chronologically and this makes it easy to work one's way into his more "difficult" stuff. I love the journey his music takes me on, which reminds me, I must listen to some of his music soon. It's been too long.

I think we need a thread for his solo piano works.  $:)   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bhodges on January 05, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
I like all those pianists in Scriabin.  You may have mentioned this elsewhere, but have you heard Roberto Szidon's set on DG?  The sound quality is good, not excellent, but I gather his set was one of the first complete ones.

And yes, it's great to listen to the sonatas chronologically; as they progress, they get stranger and stranger, in the best way.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 05, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: bhodges on January 05, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
I like all those pianists in Scriabin.  You may have mentioned this elsewhere, but have you heard Roberto Szidon's set on DG? The sound quality is good, not excellent, but I gather his set was one of the first complete ones.

I haven't got that one. I have his Liszt Hungarian Rhapsodies on DG and enjoy them very much.

Quote
And yes, it's great to listen to the sonatas chronologically; as they progress, they get stranger and stranger, in the best way.

--Bruce

Yes, it's like he takes you deeper and deeper into the forest.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 05, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Thanks for that interview, George.

Quote from: George on January 05, 2010, 12:17:44 PM
I think we need a thread for his [Scriabin's] solo piano works.  $:)

There used to be one and I think it was on this board...or maybe the board before. Maybe Q can conjure something up....
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 05, 2010, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: Drasko on January 05, 2010, 11:51:28 AM
I'm not very up to date with Richter's discography, is 1994 Ludwigshafen still his only recording of Scriabin's 7th Sonata?

There's another one from New York, 1965, on AS Disc that seems exceedingly rare.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
New 14 CD set: Richter in Hungary

Link Here (http://new.bmcrecords.hu/pages/frameset/direkt_en.php?kod=160) Click on this image when you get to the page - (http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

I am not sure if any/all of this has been released before. These performances do not appear on Trovar, but that discography only covers CDs released in the pianist's lifetime.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 19, 2010, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
New 14 CD set: Richter in Hungary

Link Here (http://new.bmcrecords.hu/pages/frameset/direkt_en.php?kod=160) Click on this image when you get to the page - (http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

I am not sure if any/all of this has been released before. These performances do not appear on Trovar, but that discography only covers CDs released in the pianist's lifetime.

Well, the  Drei Klavierstücke, D. 946, and D. 576  are particularly exciting. So are the Szymanowski Mazurkas.

How to check the sound quality?

It also occured to me that I have never heard him play Chopin Waltzes -- though Trovar shows a handful of performances.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2010, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 19, 2010, 08:09:33 AM
Well, the  Drei Klavierstücke, D. 946, and D. 576  are particularly exciting. So are the Szymanowski Mazurkas.

How to check the sound quality?

Good question. Perhaps wait for it to appear in the torrents?  :-\

Quote
It also occurred to me that I have never heard him play Chopin Waltzes -- though Trovar shows a handful of performances.

Nor have I.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
I am not sure if any/all of this has been released before.

From what I can tell (cursory glance) the only recording to have been previously released seems to be the Schubert D.958 from Feb. 9, 1958.

Curiously the Budapest Pictures from 1958 isn't included although that's the performance that's recently turned up on West Hill Radio Archives (it's also been previously released on M&A).

QuoteThese performances do not appear on Trovar, but that discography only covers CDs released in the pianist's lifetime.

Actually Trovar has done some expanding since Richter's death. There are updates as late as 2006. That's not to say Trovar isn't in need of a major overhaul (Tanin's site (http://www.doremi.com/sr.html) is more comprehensive but not as pleasing to read).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 09:49:29 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 19, 2010, 08:09:33 AM
It also occured to me that I have never heard him play Chopin Waltzes -- though Trovar shows a handful of performances.

There aren't too many. I only have the Waltz Op.34/3 from Moscow, 1950 (Ankh) and it's an absolute gem.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 10:17:14 AM
That Ravel looks tempting. But apparently the set isn't available outside Hungary! (Though Trovar seems to be rallying forces...)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 10:17:14 AM
That Ravel looks tempting. But apparently the set isn't available outside Hungary! (Though Trovar seems to be rallying forces...)

It's good that I am not hungry for more Richter at the moment.  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 19, 2010, 10:24:33 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 09:49:29 AM
There aren't too many. I only have the Waltz Op.34/3 from Moscow, 1950 (Ankh) and it's an absolute gem.

Agreed.

Here it is -

http://www.mediafire.com/?zeijmmyxz24
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
It's good that I am not hungry for more Richter at the moment.  ;D

You and me both! ;D It's the age-old dilemma: never enough Richter but saturation point is imminent!

If they would JUST split the set up! All I really want are a few nuggets...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on January 19, 2010, 10:24:33 AM
Agreed.

Here it is -

http://www.mediafire.com/?zeijmmyxz24

Cool! Thanks for taking the time to do that.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on January 19, 2010, 10:24:33 AM
Agreed.

Here it is -

http://www.mediafire.com/?zeijmmyxz24

Thanks!

Anyone know which browser still supports mediafire? I tried Firefox and Internet Explorer and both send back an error message that reads: "your browser does not support mediafire." WTF!?  ???

EDIT: must have been a temporary problem. All is well now, And that Richter Waltz is stunning! Thanks again, Peregrine! 




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 19, 2010, 10:59:51 AM
I just listened to the Waltz Opus 70/3 from the Music and Arts Helsinki Recital. Very characterful -- I suspect he takes it as fast as Kocsis. But Richter is rather more forceful than Kocsis I think.

Not a performance for genteel ladies to dance to.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 19, 2010, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 19, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
Cool! Thanks for taking the time to do that.

Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
And that Richter Waltz is stunning! Thanks again, Peregrine! 

No worries!

Quote from: Mandryka on January 19, 2010, 10:59:51 AM
Not a performance for genteel ladies to dance to.

Nope!
;D




Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 19, 2010, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on January 19, 2010, 11:04:53 AM
Nope!
;D

I suspect he wasn't playing for the ladies anyway.  0:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on January 20, 2010, 12:41:31 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
New 14 CD set: Richter in Hungary

Link Here (http://new.bmcrecords.hu/pages/frameset/direkt_en.php?kod=160) Click on this image when you get to the page - (http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

I am not sure if any/all of this has been released before. These performances do not appear on Trovar, but that discography only covers CDs released in the pianist's lifetime.

The link doesn't work
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2010, 02:57:31 AM
Quote from: Holden on January 20, 2010, 12:41:31 AM
The link doesn't work

Sorry to hear that. It works fine for me and unfortunately it's the only one that I have.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 20, 2010, 07:34:01 AM
Quote from: George on January 20, 2010, 02:57:31 AM
Sorry to hear that. It works fine for me and unfortunately it's the only one that I have.

The link is working fine on this end.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on January 22, 2010, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: George on January 20, 2010, 02:57:31 AM
Sorry to hear that. It works fine for me and unfortunately it's the only one that I have.

Here's another one (http://www.abeillemusique.com/CD/Classique/BMCCD171/5998309301711/Budapest-Music-Center/Sviatoslav-Richter-piano/Richter-en-Hongrie-1954-1993/cleart-33702.html), where you can even buy it! :o ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 26, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
I have been playing late Richter a lot recently.

There's


Of course some of the best Richer records are earlier. In Liszt and  Rachmaninov, Beethoven, Schubert and Prokofiev.

But I think he found a special affinity for Mozart in those later years, and maybe Bach and Chopin too. And his presentation of them – austere, stoical – is rather to my tastes. I find the Chopin on that Orfeo disc from the seventies at least as valuable and at least as deep as  the 1950 Moscow Chopin recital on Preiser.

And in some other composers –the 1977  Debussy on Orfeo , for example – when I hear Richter I have a real sense of a  pianist  who is trying to get to the bottom of the music, to grapple with the music at a deep level.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 26, 2010, 07:50:00 AM
Mandryka - Have you heard Richter's Debussy preludes on BBC? They are magnificent!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Franco on January 26, 2010, 07:58:28 AM
For anyone who has this set:

(http://boxset.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sviatoslav_richter_in_concert.jpg)

Have you noticed audio problems?  The Schubert D. 990 has a weird doubling going on when I played it recently from my iTunes.

I'm trying to figure out if the problem is the disk or the transfer.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 26, 2010, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: Franco on January 26, 2010, 07:58:28 AM
Have you noticed audio problems?  The Schubert D. 990 has a weird doubling going on when I played it recently from my iTunes.

I'm trying to figure out if the problem is the disk or the transfer.

I can check later, but I know that that set had some weird sound issues.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Renfield on January 26, 2010, 09:13:02 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 26, 2010, 07:44:00 AM

  • And may be best of all a Salzburg recital on Orfeo (1977 – late enough I guess to count (?)) with one of the most interesting Chopin Barcarolles and First Scherzos I know – in fact all that Orfeo disc is pretty special (there's a great Suite Bergamasque too).
Yes, that one is special; and personal, intimate. If I was to pick a single Richter disc to keep, it would probably be between that one and the one with the Liszt sonata from the Richter: The Master series.

In fact, between you and me (and the rest of the forum, and the entire internet), I am rarely as convinced of the structural stature of Debussy's piano music, as in the bergamasque from that recital.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 26, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: Renfield on January 26, 2010, 09:13:02 AM
Yes, that one is special; and personal, intimate. If I was to pick a single Richter disc to keep, it would probably be between that one and the one with the Liszt sonata from the Richter: The Master series.

In fact, between you and me (and the rest of the forum, and the entire internet), I am rarely as convinced of the structural stature of Debussy's piano music, as in the bergamasque from that recital.

OK, that's all I needed to hear. Just ordered me a copy.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 26, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: George on January 26, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
OK, that's all I needed to hear. Just ordered me a copy.  8)

You won't be sorry. I just played it again after making that post, and I compared the Debussy Estampes on it with the recording on DG made in the early 60s.

More colour on DG -- but the Orfeo one is much more intense and somehow, in a way I can't explain, less superficial.

I also compared the Barcarole on the 1977 Orfeo with the early 60s one on BBC Legends, and IMO exactly the same points apply.

All the Chopin on that record is extraordinary -- the Waltzes have such a sadness about them, like no other waltz recordings I can think of.

When does "Late Richter" start? Didn't he get ill and stop giving concerts for a while? And then he returned to play small venues? When did that return happen?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on January 26, 2010, 10:33:06 AM
Quote from: George on January 26, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
OK, that's all I needed to hear. Just ordered me a copy.  8)

Me too!

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 26, 2010, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 26, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
When does "Late Richter" start?

I am not sure. I don't tend to think of his career in that way. I generally love his stuff from the 60s and 70s most of all though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 27, 2010, 08:33:58 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 26, 2010, 07:44:00 AM

  • A Mozart recital from the Barbican on Philips which is very special for the K310 and K545 (1989)

Yes, that K.310 is my favorite:


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8d/c6/4f1179edd7a029e5d9408110.L.jpg)


QuoteBut I think he found a special affinity for Mozart in those later years, and maybe Bach and Chopin too.

I somewhat agree with this but I have a couple of Mozart concerto recordings (nos. 17 and 27) from the mid-60s that show a good amount of finesse. It probably doesn't hurt that in this case the accompaniment (Barshai and the Moscow CO) actively plays up the finesse, too, so putting the two together some pretty exquisite Mozart emerges. Though this could be the exception that proves the rule as it's been a while since I've heard any solo Mozart from Richter's "pre-western" days.

As far as Richter's Chopin it seems to me that there's no one period that stands out as "the best". Yes I would say there are differences between his pre-western Chopin and post-western but there's little that sounds "out of place" to me. Recordings from the 50s on through the late 80s always manage to have something to say to me.

QuoteAnd his presentation of them – austere, stoical – is rather to my tastes. I find the Chopin on that Orfeo disc from the seventies at least as valuable and at least as deep as  the 1950 Moscow Chopin recital on Preiser.

Agreed. What 70s (and beyond) Chopin I have compares very well to that 1950 Moscow recital (though I have it on Ankh).

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 31, 2010, 05:18:50 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
New 14 CD set: Richter in Hungary

Link Here (http://new.bmcrecords.hu/pages/frameset/direkt_en.php?kod=160) Click on this image when you get to the page - (http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

I am not sure if any/all of this has been released before. These performances do not appear on Trovar, but that discography only covers CDs released in the pianist's lifetime.

I have been reading a lot of good things about this set, not just the performances, but I hear the sound is excellent as well.

A yahoo group has been established to help those outside of Hungary get a copy:
SviatoslavRichterHungary-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Membership is fast and free.

I also suggest that all fans of Richter join the informative yahoo group:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/sviatoslavrichter/
It's free and the folks there are knowledgeable and membership may be required to join the first group I mentioned.

In addition, I read this morning that amazon.de will have this set for sale on February 19. However, I don't see it on their site.  :-\

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 31, 2010, 07:23:30 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 27, 2010, 08:33:58 AM


I somewhat agree with this  . . .


Yes. I probably should have been a bit more nuanced.

I listened yesterday to some Mozart sonatas from Prague Spring. I thought K282 was very good (1956), K280 (1966) less so.  I thaught his K533/494 from 1956 was absolutely stunning -- a pleasure to hear despite the sound.

I haven't heard Barshai and Richter in K595. Can you recommend a transfer?

I know his 1967 recording with Britten of K482 and I just don't much like it (though I'm glad to have it for the cadenza by Britten). Idem for the K453 with Ormandy (1970).


On the other hand, I like very much his 1959 K466 with Wislocki.

So maybe I should have said that his earlier Mozart is variable.

I like all his later Mozart that I have heard.

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 27, 2010, 08:33:58 AM

As far as Richter's Chopin it seems to me that there's no one period that stands out as "the best". Yes I would say there are differences between his pre-western Chopin and post-western but there's little that sounds "out of place" to me. Recordings from the 50s on through the late 80s always manage to have something to say to me.


I think there is less bravura in his later Chopin style. But I haven't done AB comparisons. Yet.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 31, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 31, 2010, 07:23:30 AMI haven't heard Barshai and Richter in K595. Can you recommend a transfer?

I'd love to be able to but unfortunately this is a recording (along with no. 17) that isn't available anywhere outside Russia - and it exists only on cassette!! Trovar doesn't list it yet but Tanin's site does - though how to pronounce the label name is a mystery to me: Lyrec Twic.

I sort of lucked into this beauty when a Russian employee of my father-in-law's told me of her plans to return to Russia for a visit. What better way to unearth some rare Russian Richter I thought and hit her up for some goodies. Unfortunately her English still isn't very good (plus I wasn't clear enough with my intentions) and all I got as far as Richter was this cassette (the rest of the loot was simple standard fair/mainstream). Not complaining though since, as it turns out, musically speaking this is superb Mozart. Throw in the fact that this cassette is actually a Richter rarity (of sorts) and I'm a very happy man! ;D (Hmm...I wonder if she'll make a return trip to Russia sometime........)

To top it all off there's the vivid sound: rich and clear - a substantial bonus! 

(Concerto no. 17 is from Leningrad, 1969, and no. 27 is from Moscow, 1966).

QuoteSo maybe I should have said that his earlier Mozart is variable.

Ah, ok. :)

QuoteI like all his later Mozart that I have heard.

Me, too.

QuoteI think there is less bravura in his later Chopin style. But I haven't done AB comparisons. Yet.

Yes, I think that's fair. There seems to have been more of a poetic touch in his Chopin starting from about the time he first ventured to the west.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 31, 2010, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: George on January 31, 2010, 05:18:50 AM
I have been reading a lot of good things about this set, not just the performances, but I hear the sound is excellent as well.

I don't know about you George but the more I hear about "good sound" on this set the more interested I become! :D (Sure is expensive for us Stateside, though....).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 01, 2010, 02:53:40 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 31, 2010, 07:14:55 PM
I don't know about you George but the more I hear about "good sound" on this set the more interested I become! :D (Sure is expensive for us Stateside, though....).

Yes, I know.  :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 04, 2010, 09:05:41 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
New 14 CD set: Richter in Hungary

Link Here (http://new.bmcrecords.hu/pages/frameset/direkt_en.php?kod=160) Click on this image when you get to the page - (http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

I am not sure if any/all of this has been released before. These performances do not appear on Trovar, but that discography only covers CDs released in the pianist's lifetime.

More info on buying the above set:

The new distributor US sistributor of the above set is Allegro:

http://www.allegromediagroup.com/allegro_dist.html

I have heard that they will receive it in the next month.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 07, 2010, 06:57:39 AM
Quote from: George on January 19, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
New 14 CD set: Richter in Hungary

Link Here (http://new.bmcrecords.hu/pages/frameset/direkt_en.php?kod=160) Click on this image when you get to the page - (http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

Looks like JPC got that set - http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Svjatoslav-Richter-in-Ungarn-1954-1993/hnum/8576950 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Svjatoslav-Richter-in-Ungarn-1954-1993/hnum/8576950)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on February 07, 2010, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: George on January 20, 2010, 02:57:31 AM
Sorry to hear that. It works fine for me and unfortunately it's the only one that I have.

I will wait until the set is available at the e-tailers I normally deal with.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on February 09, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 26, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
You won't be sorry. I just played it again after making that post, and I compared the Debussy Estampes on it with the recording on DG made in the early 60s.

More colour on DG -- but the Orfeo one is much more intense and somehow, in a way I can't explain, less superficial.

I also compared the Barcarole on the 1977 Orfeo with the early 60s one on BBC Legends, and IMO exactly the same points apply.

All the Chopin on that record is extraordinary -- the Waltzes have such a sadness about them, like no other waltz recordings I can think of.


Had this disc for a few days and it is indeed an excellent addition to my Richter collection, the Debussy being a particular highlight for me.

Many thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 13, 2010, 06:26:52 PM
Quote from: Peregrine on February 09, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
Had this disc for a few days and it is indeed an excellent addition to my Richter collection, the Debussy being a particular highlight for me.

Many thanks for the heads up!

I assume that you have that Red BBC CD of Richter's with the preludes on it? That's a special set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on February 14, 2010, 12:11:40 AM
Quote from: George on February 13, 2010, 06:26:52 PM
I assume that you have that Red BBC CD of Richter's with the preludes on it? That's a special set.

Yep!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on March 06, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
Anyone heard these two recent releases on Melodiya? Sound quality etc? -


(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/MELCD1001626.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//MELCD1001626.htm


(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/MELCD1001622.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//MELCD1001622.htm
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 06, 2010, 05:15:04 AM
I wonder if they are re-releases?

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 06, 2010, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: George on March 06, 2010, 05:15:04 AM
I wonder if they are re-releases?

Hard to tell.

Although I can add one tidbit of info on the Debussy disc: the by-line (lower right corner) reads "first time on CD" but I'm not sure what to make of that as at least two tracks from this Oct.10, 1976 recital of Bk 2 (nos. 5 & 8 ) were previously released on Music & Arts 775 (the four-CD set).

I guess it's possible Melodiya hadn't heard about the prior M&A release and it's all in good faith. Or maybe something else is intended by that statement - like only selections are first time on CD. Dunno...

What I can say for certain is the sound on these two tracks is great, aside from the occasional noise thumping in from somewhere in the hall. As far as interpretation-wise, they're top-notch.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 07, 2010, 08:36:33 PM
Just noticed that a couple of works on that Melodiya Chopin disc above have previously been available on that Music & Arts four CD set I mentioned in my last post (from the same Oct. 10, 1976 recital): the fourth Scherzo and the Etude Op.10/4. So again these at least will be in good sound, and definitely gratifying performance-wise.

Sadly the Prelude Op.28/15 that was also part of that Oct.10 recital has been omitted from the Melodiya disc. Can't imagine why as the performance is both blazing and extremely rare.

Although happily included on that Melodiya disc are yet more works from the same Oct.10 recital not otherwise available, so sound-wise (and I'm betting performance-wise) things should be up to snuff.

I'm tempted to get the disc just for that Op. 70/3 Waltz (again from the Oct.10 recital) as Richter waltzes aren't very plentiful on disc.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on March 08, 2010, 01:10:32 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on March 06, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
Anyone heard these two recent releases on Melodiya? Sound quality etc? -

(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/MELCD1001626.jpg)
Presto gives complete tracklisting and states that it is live recital from May 1967:
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Melodiya/MELCD1001626

CD Review on BBC radio 3 gives the date as 26th May 1967 and plays Etude 10/4, sound seems pretty good to me. Though their reviewer says also that it is a re-issue I couldn't find recital with that date as previously relesed at Trovar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r66zs
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 08, 2010, 05:31:01 AM
Quote from: Drasko on March 08, 2010, 01:10:32 AM
Presto gives complete tracklisting and states that it is live recital from May 1967:
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Melodiya/MELCD1001626

CD Review on BBC radio 3 gives the date as 26th May 1967 and plays Etude 10/4, sound seems pretty good to me. Though their reviewer says also that it is a re-issue I couldn't find recital with that date as previously relesed at Trovar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r66zs


That's fairly accurate except they forgot to cut and paste (and translate) the rest of the info:


ФРИДЕРИК ШОПЕН (1810–1849)
1. Полонез-фантазия, соч. 61 2. Вальс фа мажор, соч. 34 №3
3. Вальс ре-бемоль мажор, соч. 70 №3 4. Мазурка до-диез минор, соч. 63 №3
5. Мазурка до мажор, соч. 67 №3 6. Мазурка фа мажор, соч. 68 №3
7. Мазурка ля минор, соч. посмертное №2 8. Этюд до-диез минор, соч. 25 №7
9. Скерцо №4 ми мажор, соч. 54
Три ноктюрна, соч. 15:
10. Ноктюрн фа мажор 11. Ноктюрн фа-диез мажор 12. Ноктюрн соль минор
13. Ноктюрн ми мажор, соч. 62 №2 14. Ноктюрн ми минор, соч. 72 №1 (посмертный)
15. Этюд до-диез минор, соч. 10 №4
Общее время звучания: 69:35
СВЯТОСЛАВ РИХТЕР, фортепиано
Записи по трансляции из Большого зала Московской консерватории.
Годы записей: 26 мая 1967 года (13–14), 6 октября 1971 года (10–12),
10 октября 1976 года (1–9, 15).



Info from Melodiya's Live Journal. (http://melody-su.livejournal.com/42529.html)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 08, 2010, 06:25:52 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HJgemNq8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

This book comes out mid-April.  8)

Amazon Link (http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Karl-Aage-Rasmussen/dp/1555537103/)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on March 08, 2010, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on March 08, 2010, 05:31:01 AM
That's fairly accurate ...

Yes, I'd agree in case of presto but Andrew McGregor played that 10/4 Etude and then explicitly said that recital is from 6th May 1967. That's more than sloppy for BBC radio 3 and show that is specifically about CD releases.

Thanks for the correct info.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on March 08, 2010, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: George on March 08, 2010, 06:25:52 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HJgemNq8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

This book comes out mid-April.  8)

Amazon Link (http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Karl-Aage-Rasmussen/dp/1555537103/)

Wow. Are we to infer from the cover photo that at one time Richter actually had REAL HAIR vs. just wisps...and that he wore it in a near-pompadour style (or whatever would be the proper reference for the tall topknot projecting out in front of his forehead)? The mind reels...
:o

Dirk,
who still remembers the sight of Richter in that crazy longhaired red wig from the Russian movie about Liszt.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 08, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: dirkronk on March 08, 2010, 10:42:11 AM
Wow. Are we to infer from the cover photo that at one time Richter actually had REAL HAIR vs. just wisps...and that he wore it in a near-pompadour style (or whatever would be the proper reference for the tall topknot projecting out in front of his forehead)? The mind reels...


He aint nuttin but a hound dog... 8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 09, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
New release:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61uwRYkhg0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Sviatoslav Richter plays Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev & Bach

Bach, J S:
Keyboard Concerto No. 1 in D minor, BWV1052
Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Václav Talich

Prokofiev:
Piano Concerto No. 1 in D flat major, Op. 10
Prague Symphony Orchestra, Karel Ancerl

Tchaikovsky:
Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op. 23
Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Karel Ancerl

Sviatoslav Richter (piano)

In 1950 Prague was the destination of the first-ever foreign trip of the then 35-year-old Russian genius pianist Sviatoslav Richter. He would subsequently visit the city on several more occasions. The recordings on this CD were made at the Rudolfinum within two weeks at the end of May and the beginning of June 1954. Richter is accompanied by the two finest Czech orchestras, conducted by two true legends – Václav Talich (nearing the end of his career) and Karel Ancerl (at the beginning of his tenure in the post of principal conductor of the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra).

Within such a short time, Richter had mastered Tchaikovsky's impassioned concerto in B minor, Prokofiev's purely Neoclassical concerto in D flat major, as well as Bach's paramount Baroque and timeless first piano concerto. The fact that the Russian composers Tchaikovsky and Prokofiev found an ideal interpreter in perhaps the greatest legend among 20th-century pianists appears entirely logical. Yet the superb and sensitive performance of Bach's piano (originally harpsichord) concerto serves to complete the picture of Richter's genius and versatility. These qualities are showcased in our new, sensitively re-mastered version of the legendary recordings.

Supraphon - SU40142

Sound Samples (http://www.supraphon.com/en/catalogue/releases/?item=866)
   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 09, 2010, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: George on March 09, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
Sviatoslav Richter plays Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev & Bach

Thanks, George.

In case anyone is interested, I have this Tchaikovsky concerto in a previous Supraphon edition (remastered Ancerl Gold Edition) and while an excellent performance (and let me emphasize that) the sound is a bit problematic for me: the piano tends to get drowned out at times by the orchestra and I find myself straining to hear what the piano is doing. Kind of a detriment when it comes to this pianist, not to mention this concerto.

I have no idea if this "sensitive remastering" improves anything but the samples don't seem to indicate much change. Though that's not much to go on...

Overall though this is a mighty good performance even if I might still prefer Argerich/Kondrashin (on Philips) in this concerto. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 10, 2010, 03:02:35 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on March 09, 2010, 08:13:28 PM
Thanks, George.

In case anyone is interested, I have this Tchaikovsky concerto in a previous Supraphon edition (remastered Ancerl Gold Edition) and while an excellent performance (and let me emphasize that) the sound is a bit problematic for me: the piano tends to get drowned out at times by the orchestra and I find myself straining to hear what the piano is doing. Kind of a detriment when it comes to this pianist, not to mention this concerto.

I have no idea if this "sensitive remastering" improves anything but the samples don't seem to indicate much change. Though that's not much to go on...

Nothing sensitive about it. Like the Schumann CD from last year, they No-noised it, sucking the life out of it.  :-[

QuoteOverall though this is a mighty good performance even if I might still prefer Argerich/Kondrashin (on Philips) in this concerto.

Have you heard Richter/Mravinsky?   8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 10, 2010, 08:56:17 AM
Quote from: George on March 10, 2010, 03:02:35 AM
Nothing sensitive about it. Like the Schumann CD from last year, they No-noised it, sucking the life out of it.  :-[

Hmm...I admit having the same basic impression of the Ancerl Gold remaster but not having heard any other edition I can't really judge the transfer. Being Supraphon I'd expect high quality technical work but perhaps the master tapes aren't in good shape anymore. Or maybe there's some other variable involved (don't want to think negatively, though... :().

QuoteHave you heard Richter/Mravinsky?   8)

I have and I used to have it on Music & Arts but I can't remember its attributes. I guess you're saying it's a beaut (and I should reacquire it posthaste?)? 8)

What's the best transfer?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 10, 2010, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on March 10, 2010, 08:56:17 AM
Hmm...I admit having the same basic impression of the Ancerl Gold remaster but not having heard any other edition I can't really judge the transfer. Being Supraphon I'd expect high quality technical work but perhaps the master tapes aren't in good shape anymore. Or maybe there's some other variable involved (don't want to think negatively, though... :().

I just think the latest fashion is to get as "clean" a transfer as possible, which means reducing the noise to zero. Every time I put on a CD made from an older recording (like from the 50s or 60s) and hear no noise at all I get upset. Worse still is the fact that many reviewers usually rave about how the latest transfer is better, cleaner.  ::)

You might recall the beef I had with Leslie Gerber last year about his Richter in the 50s CDs. Those things were specia recordings that had never been released before.  yet they were cleaned up too.  :-[

QuoteI have and I used to have it on Music & Arts but I can't remember its attributes. I guess you're saying it's a beaut (and I should reacquire it posthaste?)? 8)

What's the best transfer?

I've only heard the Meoldiya (agian, No-noised.)  I just recall many people saying it was Richter's best recording of that work.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 12, 2010, 10:33:25 PM
This is a great recording – maybe my favourite Chopon Etudes CD at the moment – after Cortot's of course.

It contains the Op 10 Etudes from 1960 which you may know from Praga.  But it also has some Op 25s which as far as I know  had previously been unreleased, also from Prague in 1960.

The whole thing is bloody marvellous. I have never heard such risk taking pay off. Every time I listen I am on the edge of my seat.  And somehow, miraculously, it's not just virtuosity and bravura. There's colour, beautiful phrasing. These Etudes certainly  do not sound like studies.

I am much more enthusiastic about this performance than the Etudes on BBC Legends from London in 1963. It's not just that the sound is better on Supraphon. It is also that the playing is better I think. More colourful; more sensitive.

The CD has some nice Schostakovich too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2010, 04:41:51 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 12, 2010, 10:33:25 PM
This is a great recording – maybe my favourite Chopon Etudes CD at the moment – after Cortot's of course.

It contains the Op 10 Etudes from 1960 which you may know from Praga.  But it also has some Op 25s which as far as I know  had previously been unreleased, also from Prague in 1960.

Which ones? The Praga set contains Op. 25 Nos. 6-7 from 1960.

Funny, I was just telling Divertimentian the other day how much I love Richter's Praga etudes, though the ones I recall being great were the 1988 ones (Op. 10, Nos. 4, 10 and 11 plus Op. 25, Nos. 5, 8, 11, 12). I should revisit the 1960 ones.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 05:22:42 AM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 04:41:51 AM
Which ones? The Praga set contains Op. 25 Nos. 6-7 from 1960.

Funny, I was just telling Divertimentian the other day how much I love Richter's Praga etudes, though the ones I recall being great were the 1988 ones (Op. 10, Nos. 4, 10 and 11 plus Op. 25, Nos. 5, 8, 11, 12). I should revisit the 1960 ones.

Ah yes – I confused Op 25 with Op 10.

Quel bordel!

I'll try and listen to the 80s ones too this weekend and post my reaction – I am really very curious to understand better how (if at all)  Richter changed.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2010, 05:38:09 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 05:22:42 AM
Ah yes – I confused Op 25 with Op 10.

Quel bordel!

I'll try and listen to the 80s ones too this weekend and post my reaction – I am really very curious to understand better how (if at all)  Richter changed.

I just listened to the 1960s ones and though I enjoyed it, I don't think his etudes are the best that I have heard. The poor sound doesn't help much.  :-\

By the way, your Supraphon release does seem to have some unique 1960 Chopin Etude performances, according to this review. (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=11954)

QuoteFRÉDÉRIC CHOPIN
Etudes Op. 10 Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, & 12; Etudes Op. 25 Nos. 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, & 12
Polonaise-Fantasie in A-flat Op. 61

The Chopin Etudes and Polonaise-Fantasie stem from Sviatoslav Richter's February 21, 1960 Prague recital. I believe all of these are new to CD, excepting Op. 10 Nos. 1, 2, 3, & 12 and Op. 25 Nos. 6 & 7, which previously appeared on the Praga label along with Chopin's Four Ballades from the same concert.

My question is why on earth would Praga not include those other etudes in their box? Perhaps because they appear in that later 1988 recital? ???
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 05:38:09 AM
I just listened to the 1960s ones and though I enjoyed it, I don't think his etudes are the best that I have heard. The poor sound doesn't help much.  :-\

By the way, your Supraphon release does seem to have some unique 1960 Chopin Etude performances, according to this review. (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=11954)

My question is why on earth would Praga not include those other etudes in their box? Perhaps because they appear in that later 1988 recital? ???

EITHER you are a princess as far as sound is concerned OR we're not talking about the same recording OR I need a new pair of ears BECAUSE the sound of those 60s Etudes on Supraphon -- Op 25 and Op 10  seems just fine to me.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2010, 08:04:24 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
EITHER you are a princess as far as sound is concerned OR we're not talking about the same recording OR I need a new pair of ears BECAUSE the sound of those 60s Etudes on Supraphon -- Op 25 and Op 10  seems just fine to me.

Well, the reviewer claims that the sound is improved on the Supraphon, but the two prior Richter Supraphons that I bought did not improve on the sound, so I didn't bother with this one. Now that I know it has some unique performances, I have added it to my wish list.

On the other hand, I have never been bowled over by much of Richter's Chopin. I much prefer his Schubert, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, Bach, Debussy, Prokofiev or Schumann.

As for the sound, on the Praga CD I have, I can certainly hear everything, but it sounds like 1950 rather than 1960. Plus some obvious noise reduction is being used. If the performances were superb, none of that would matter, but as it stands it detracts from an already less than impressive performance.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 08:04:24 AM
Well, the reviewer claims that the sound is improved on the Supraphon, but the two prior Richter Supraphons that I bought did not improve on the sound, so I didn't bother with this one. Now that I know it has some unique performances, I have added it to my wish list.

On the other hand, I have never been bowled over by much of Richter's Chopin. I much prefer his Schubert, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff, Bach, Debussy, Prokofiev or Schumann.

As for the sound, on the Prague CD I have, I can certainly hear everything, but it sounds like 1950 rather than 1960. Plus some obvious noise reduction is being used. If the performances were superb, none of that would matter, but as it stands it detracts from an already less than impressive performance.


What's wrong with the performance?

Truth is, I thought they were marvelous because they combined a sort of fast virtuoso quality with feeling and colour. And despite the bravura feel to his interpretation, it doesn't sound like he's got a hyperactivity or anger management problem. To me, he makes it sound like Chopin was a pioneer of the piano, taking risks and making experiments. Nevertheless it still sound like Chopin -- it has the right "inflection". It doesn't sound like Liszt or Rachmaninoff (That last bit may not make sense -- but I know what I mean.)

For example -- Op 10/11 -- arpeggios.  I can't think of an obviously better performance. So many pianists take this too slowly. In Richter's hands it is both exciting and beautiful.

Not psychedelic like Cortot maybe, and not witty and fun like Horowitz at his best  -- but still, his style seems to me just as valid.

If you like, choose an etude which you don't think works and I'll listen closely to it with your criticism in mind.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2010, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 08:35:34 AM
What's wrong with the performance?

It just didn't bowl me over like his Op. 25 No. 11 from 1988. That one made me sit up and take notice. I can't say exactly why though. With Chopin I just connect or I don't. I can't always explain it. Lately I have been striking out (Argerich and Freire's new CDs) and wondering if I should just enjoy the Chopin that I have. I want to survey my Chopin recordings at one point, but I want to finish my Rach Concerto surveys first. 

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 08:44:18 AM
It just didn't bowl me over like his Op. 25 No. 11 from 1988. That one made me sit up and take notice. I can't say exactly why though. With Chopin I just connect or I don't. I can't always explain it. Lately I have been striking out (Argerich and Freire's new CDs) and wondering if I should just enjoy the Chopin that I have. I want to survey my Chopin recordings at one point, but I want to finish my Rach Concerto surveys first.

I understand.

Do you know Cziffra's Etudes? And Virsaladze's?

Apart from Cortot, they're the two complete sets I like the most.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 08:49:57 AM
I understand.

Do you know Cziffra's Etudes? And Virsaladze's?

Apart from Cortot, they're the two complete sets I like the most.

I own and enjoy Cziffra's, yes. Haven't heard Virsaladze's. I like Pollini and Ashkenazy's (both) too.

Also, Rosenthal's Etude in G flat is incredible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2q5E_Mfbc
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
I own and enjoy Cziffra's, yes. Haven't heard Virsaladze's. I like Pollini and Ashkenazy's (both) too.

Also, Rosenthal's Etude in G flat is incredible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2q5E_Mfbc

Yes -- very good.

He had a great moustache. Wish I could grow one like that.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 04:41:51 AM
Funny, I was just telling Divertimentian the other day how much I love Richter's Praga etudes, though the ones I recall being great were the 1988 ones (Op. 10, Nos. 4, 10 and 11 plus Op. 25, Nos. 5, 8, 11, 12).

Yeah, I've been going over Richter's Op.25 Etudes myself lately (as you know). I haven't heard the Praga selections from 1960 but it's been fun comparing his 1988 Praga selections with his Philips/Decca counterparts from the same year.

Each set has its qualities but I think I prefer his Philips/Decca set for the better definition and greater poetry. Part of it might be the more realistically miked sound of Philips/Decca as opposed to the more aggressive, "in your face" sound of Praga - not that it's bad by any means. :)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2010, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 08:44:18 AM
...With Chopin I just connect or I don't. I can't always explain it. Lately I have been striking out (Argerich and Freire's new CDs)...

Have you heard Argerich's third Scherzo on DG, George? It's blazing, imo!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 13, 2010, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2010, 07:50:53 PM
Have you heard Argerich's third Scherzo on DG, George? It's blazing, imo!

This one: http://www.amazon.com/Martha-Argerich-Plays-Chopin-Legendary/dp/B00000IWVS

If so, no, I haven't. I was referring to her new DG CD.

I have heard her Scherzo from the DG Debut Recital CD. I like that one.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on March 13, 2010, 08:35:34 AMTruth is, I thought they were marvelous because they combined a sort of fast virtuoso quality with feeling and colour. And despite the bravura feel to his interpretation, it doesn't sound like he's got a hyperactivity or anger management problem. To me, he makes it sound like Chopin was a pioneer of the piano, taking risks and making experiments. Nevertheless it still sound like Chopin -- it has the right "inflection". It doesn't sound like Liszt or Rachmaninoff (That last bit may not make sense -- but I know what I mean.)

That's EXACTLY the impression I get from Richter's 1960 Carnegie fourth Scherzo on RCA. Extremely daring and forward-looking.

His two Op. 10 Etudes from the same set have a similar quality.

For me it's a toss-up when it comes to Richter's Chopin. I like it all no matter what the period but I don't expect similar things from it. The earlier the Chopin from Richter the more I expect a certain explosiveness - though without a hint of exaggeration - while in the middle/late periods I hear more poetry and color, while maintaining that ability to surprise and startle. But it's apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2010, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: George on March 13, 2010, 08:12:29 PM
I have heard her Scherzo from the DG Debut Recital CD. I like that one.

Yes, I think that's the one. I have it on this disc:


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Y4GEXMQ5L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 14, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
(http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

Schubert: Drei Klavierstücke, D. 946
Academy of Music (Budapest, 27 April, 1963)


This one is new to the Richter discography. It features a lot of those big contrasts (dare I say some banging) found in his early Schubert. I am glad to have it, but can't help but think he'd do better with this one had he recorded it in the seventies when his sound became more refined. Sound is pretty distorted too, not helping matters. For some reason he seemed to drop it from his repertoire.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 16, 2010, 01:06:01 PM
Ravel: Valses Nobles et Sentimentales.

The recording from Hungary (1954) is BY FAR the most thrilling performance of this that I have heard by anyone. He knocks the spots off Rubinstein (who is marvelous in his own way, of course.)

I have three other Richters. One from Prague (1956) and one from New York (1965). Both of them have extremely poor sound and although good enough as interpretations, are not as electric as the Hungary one.

I also have a late one from Ludwigshafen (1994) . That one is very good, and completely different. 40 years had transformed this pianist's understanding of Ravel: much slower, much less exciting. But that recording really does capture the feeling of a poet really trying to get to the heart of the score, hence it is rather special I think.

But I much prefer the 1954 one.

Sound on the Hungary disc is "historical" and "soviet" It's a bit painful in the first waltz but then you just get used to it.  Certainly the sound is better than the Prague and New York recordings – the sound shouldn't put you of giving this a listen I think.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on April 02, 2010, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: George on March 14, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
(http://www.bmcrecords.hu/images/boritok/sima/171.jpg)

This set is being reviewed on Radio 3 this morning during CD review at apporox 10.45 (GMT)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 07, 2010, 12:08:25 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 31, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
I'd love to be able to but unfortunately this is a recording (along with no. 17) that isn't available anywhere outside Russia - . . .  (Concerto no. 17 is from Leningrad, 1969, and no. 27 is from Moscow, 1966).


I think it's  on Doremi Volume Vol. 14: DHR-7909/10. They list a performance of K595 with Barshai from Moscow, May 1966 and a K453 from Leningrad, January 1969.

http://www.doremi.com/richter.html
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 07, 2010, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on April 02, 2010, 10:32:41 PM
This set is being reviewed on Radio 3 this morning during CD review at apporox 10.45 (GMT)

That programme was appalling -- sloppy reviewing by the deaf drunk Stephen Plaistow.

He was, for example, arrogantly ignorant of the new repertoire now on record thanks to this set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 07, 2010, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 07, 2010, 12:08:25 AM
I think it's  on Doremi Volume Vol. 14: DHR-7909/10. They list a performance of K595 with Barshai from Moscow, May 1966 and a K453 from Leningrad, January 1969.

http://www.doremi.com/richter.html

Looks like it's a match. :) So if you're in the market for quality Mozart by Richter these two concertos are very nicely done.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 13, 2010, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on April 07, 2010, 08:36:12 AM
Looks like it's a match. :) So if you're in the market for quality Mozart by Richter these two concertos are very nicely done.

Yes -- very good, very noble  performances. It's interesting the way he successfully avoids over- sentimentality in Mozart, but not always in Beethoven or Schubert.

Sonically, the orchestra sounds just fine, and Richter's piano isn't as so filtered by Doremi as to be annoying to me. It does sound like a metallic soviet instrument.

The problem is that the piano is very forward of the orchestra. It's rather like being in the front row of the audience.

But the quality of the performances easily shines through. Both Richter's and Barshai's.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on April 23, 2010, 08:27:51 AM
Right now, I'm listening to Richter play Gershwin's Piano Concerto. The tempi are quite slow compared to Previn or Nakamatsu, partly because Richter was 78 at the time (1993), but it is working very well so far, very lyrical and bluesy. Or maybe I'm just too amazed and amused and utterly delighted that there is a recording of Sviatoslav Richter playing the Gershwin concerto. Mostly I am posting in this thread because I didn't know that ... RICHTER PLAYED GERSHWIN!??!?!?!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on April 23, 2010, 08:38:02 AM
I've just read the liner notes of the CD. It seems that the live performance recorded herein is the only time Richter ever played the Gershwin Concerto in public. He wasn't permitted to by the Soviets... so it was a sort of release, of a love for Gershwin which had long been pent up by the censors.

(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/CD93.707.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 23, 2010, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 23, 2010, 08:27:51 AM
Mostly I am posting in this thread because I didn't know that ... RICHTER PLAYED GERSHWIN!??!?!?!

;D Gershwin...

...and other 'byways' of the repertoire: Webern, Poulenc, Britten, Berg, etc...

That's why Richter's such a cool artist: unpredictable, and the listener benefits.

But Gershwin is just the tip of the iceberg. Even back in his conservatory days Richter raised eyebrows with his choice of repertoire, especially the music of that "dry, academic" Bach, who totally put off many of his classmates. But did that stop Richter? Nooooo.... (I can just see the students fleeing at the first note...). 8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Drasko on April 23, 2010, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 23, 2010, 08:38:02 AM
I've just read the liner notes of the CD. It seems that the live performance recorded herein is the only time Richter ever played the Gershwin Concerto in public. He wasn't permitted to by the Soviets...

Permissions and restrictions from Soviet authorities could really move in mysterious ways, but this one strikes me bit odd since Grigory Ginzburg played Gershwin (preludes) live in recitals in Moscow as early as 1957.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 02, 2010, 07:31:32 PM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/APHI_900000__68241__05262010092953-7557.jpg)

Just released from Acoustic Sounds on 180 gram vinyl.  I know the sound will be there, but what of these performances.  Thanks!

Here is what they say.  Agree?

Any pianist who tackles Franz Liszt's great works must possess outstanding skills in many areas. Technical prowess is absolutely necessary to play the extremely difficult score, as is immense physical energy in order to compete with the hefty onslaughts from the orchestra. But a great awareness of the unusual conceptual forms, refined energy and passion are also required to make the keyboard sing. At the beginning of the Sixties Sviatoslav Richter seemed to possess all the First Concerto's defiant theme in the orchestra, offering resistance only to join in later with the lyrical maelstrom of the orchestra. In the Second Concerto Richter exchanges heroic brilliance for an elegiac air, then becomes capricious with graceful arpeggios and a lyrical, firm melodiousness that fires the course of the work. In the Finale these twists and turns come together to form an emphatic single strand of spirited theme, brilliant cadenza and blustering orchestra. The impressive sound was captured by the highly dedicated Mercury recording team.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 02, 2010, 08:07:44 PM
This is one set of performances that pretty much all Richterphiles are united on, Bill. No need to hesitate! :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 02, 2010, 08:10:39 PM
Thanks, Don!  Thought it might be a winner, or why go back and re-press.  However, views here outweigh what I read from liners.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 02, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 02, 2010, 08:10:39 PM
Thanks, Don!  Thought it might be a winner, or why go back and re-press.  However, views here outweigh what I read from liners.

Yeah, same here. :)

I like the part in the notes you quoted that mention making the piano sing in these works. That's the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of these particular performances. Richter brings a sort of bell-like, pearly resonance to his playing which stands out against the orchestral backdrop and gives the impression of, well, almost singing.  It's a beautiful effect. 

So the note writer and I are on the same page as far as this.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 02, 2010, 08:34:57 PM
Perfect.  Their prices are always high at Acoustic Sounds.  They have to price high to stay in business and get money back from the process of repressing limited quantities.  Cannot touch a decent record from them for under $35.  However, just played one I got from them a bit back and it is worth every penny.  So, I am redrawn to paying a bit more, receiving less items, but enjoying them to the hilt.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 02, 2010, 08:56:22 PM
That's a great philosophy, Bill. A true collector! :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 03, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
Quote from: Bogey on June 02, 2010, 07:31:32 PM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/APHI_900000__68241__05262010092953-7557.jpg)

Just released from Acoustic Sounds on 180 gram vinyl.  I know the sound will be there, but what of these performances.  Thanks!

Bill those are among Richter's finest performances. Absolute classics!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 03, 2010, 05:51:07 PM
Picked up the Liszt recordings.  Playing this tonight:

(http://www.vinylparadise.com/1classic/3pian/lsc2544.jpg)

I am guessing this made it to cd.  Which one was it?  It would be interesting to compare as I jst posted on the vinyl thread that I prefer Richter and Moravec on vinyl, but with Serkin it is either a wash or cd wins out.  However, it would be interesting to compare apples to apples with a couple Richter performances.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 03, 2010, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 03, 2010, 05:51:07 PM
Picked up the Liszt recordings.  Playing this tonight:

(http://www.vinylparadise.com/1classic/3pian/lsc2544.jpg)

I am guessing this made it to cd.  Which one was it? 

This one (http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Concerto-No-1/dp/B0001TSWN2)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 03, 2010, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: George on June 03, 2010, 05:54:07 PM
This one (http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Concerto-No-1/dp/B0001TSWN2)

How is the sound, buddy?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 03, 2010, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 03, 2010, 05:57:42 PM
How is the sound, buddy?

Give me a few.

I have the original CD and will compare that one too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 03, 2010, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Bogey on June 03, 2010, 05:57:42 PM
How is the sound, buddy?

The original CD sounds better, less processed. However, the piano sounds like it could use a bit of bass EQ on the solo work. The concerto sounds wonderful! The original CD is here. (http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Concerto-No-Sonatas/dp/B00000E6D7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1275618608&sr=1-2/)

But the remastered version I linked you to above has a fuller piano sound, albeit a bit more processed sounding.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on June 04, 2010, 03:33:41 AM
Thanks for the leg work, buddy.  However, I am guessing that this assignment was a nice one to take on. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 05, 2010, 04:21:24 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J9TH55QgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Under $35 right now, shipped from amazon. (http://www.amazon.com/Pianist-Century-Box-Robert-Schumann/dp/B001V7R09A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1275783399&sr=8-1)

An incredible box set, compiling all of Richter's DG recordings in nine LP replica sleeves.

Free shipping, stellar performances, what are you waiting for? :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on June 05, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: George on June 05, 2010, 04:21:24 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J9TH55QgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Under $35 right now, shipped from amazon. (http://www.amazon.com/Pianist-Century-Box-Robert-Schumann/dp/B001V7R09A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1275783399&sr=8-1)

An incredible box set, compiling all of Richter's DG recordings in nine LP replica sleeves.

Free shipping, stellar performances, what are you waiting for? :)

Yeah George, Wasn't the set blown into our house last year at a great price or did we get a great deal from Amazon UK?    ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 05, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on June 05, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
Yeah George, Wasn't the set blown into our house last year at a great price or did we get a great deal from Amazon UK?    ;D

I think it was blown into our houses, but to get it from amazon for that price with free shipping is even better I think.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on June 05, 2010, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: George on June 05, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
I think it was blown into our houses, but to get it from amazon for that price with free shipping is even better I think.

Getting all of Richter's recordings on Regis by the end of the year remains to be one of my goals in addition to getting all remaining Handel operas that are not in my collection, which are very few ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 06, 2010, 08:30:12 AM
The Chopin  Ballade and the Mozart concerto and the Fantasiestueke and the Prokofiev sonata  are I think the most valuable things in that DG box (though that reflects my taste in composers  a bit I'm sure.)

I think that even people who aren't Richter freaks would see that they are great performances -- esp the Ballade and the sonata.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 06, 2010, 11:42:08 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 06, 2010, 08:30:12 AM
The Chopin  Ballade and the Mozart concerto and the Fantasiestueke and the Prokofiev sonata  are I think the most valuable things in that DG box (though that reflects my taste in composers  a bit I'm sure.)

I think that even people who aren't Richter freaks would see that they are great performances -- esp the Ballade and the sonata.

No love for the Rach 2?  :o
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 06, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 06, 2010, 08:30:12 AM
The Chopin  Ballade and the Mozart concerto and the Fantasiestueke and the Prokofiev sonata  are I think the most valuable things in that DG box...

Re: the DG Prokofiev 8th sonata...

Definitely a great performance but the rabid Prokofievian (or Richterphile ;D) might want to seek out Richter's live Moscow 8th from 1961 on the Russian Revelation label. Despite the studio DG's goodness (w/ my favorite slow movement) the intensity and color in Moscow totally (despite drab sonics) take this sonata to a whole new level. Not to make this a "live vs. studio" debate but the whirlwind effects whipped up by the live Richter showcases Prokofiev's inventive genius like I've never heard it. It'll leave you literally breathless. 

The kink in the works (as usual) is the Revelation recording can't be found except on the aftermarket which, sadly, means ridiculously high prices on the Amazons.

But find a way to get it anyway. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 07, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 06, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
Re: the DG Prokofiev 8th sonata...

Definitely a great performance but the rabid Prokofievian (or Richterphile ;D) might want to seek out Richter's live Moscow 8th from 1961 on the Russian Revelation label. Despite the studio DG's goodness (w/ my favorite slow movement) the intensity and color in Moscow totally (despite drab sonics) take this sonata to a whole new level. Not to make this a "live vs. studio" debate but the whirlwind effects whipped up by the live Richter showcase Prokofiev's inventive genius like I've never heard. It'll leave you literally breathless. 

The kink in the works (as usual) is the Revelation recording can't be found except on the aftermarket which, sadly, means ridiculously high prices on the Amazons.

But find a way to get it anyway. ;D

Yes I have it and it's just as you say.

There are a few recordings from that period which capture very ecstatic performances --the Palexa TEs is special like that too, I think. And maybe the Chopin Mazurkas on the BBC label.

Quote from: George on June 06, 2010, 11:42:08 AM
No love for the Rach 2?  :o

No, not really. But I'm pleased that it's a good performance.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 07, 2010, 03:08:47 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 07, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
No, not really. But I'm pleased that it's a good performance.

Oh, I see. I hadn't considered the possibility that you didn't care for the work.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on June 08, 2010, 05:46:39 AM
Quote from: George on June 07, 2010, 03:08:47 AM
Oh, I see. I hadn't considered the possibility that you didn't care for the work.
I don't like Rach 2, but Richter makes me forget this for 35 minutes.

And seconded on Richter's recordings of Prokofiev's 8th sonata. I've heard three of them, and I actually think the DG one is the weakest of the lot. Good news is that the 8th on Russian Revelation will be going into the public domain in many countries next year, so hopefully reissues should come out then.

Meanwhile, Parnassus need a distributor in Soviet Canuckistan so I can finally get that reissue of the Leipzig recital. Bastards.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 08, 2010, 09:52:35 PM
Quote from: edward on June 08, 2010, 05:46:39 AM
Good news is that the 8th on Russian Revelation will be going into the public domain in many countries next year, so hopefully reissues should come out then.

That's tantalizing. An upgrade in the sound would be most welcome, too, a la the Leipzig recital.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 09, 2010, 09:25:54 PM
This is very good -- it has the most intense Prokofiev 9 that I have heard from Richter or indeed anyone else.

Sound quality is fine
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: listener on June 09, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: edward on June 08, 2010, 05:46:39 AM
I don't like Rach 2, but Richter makes me forget this for 35 minutes.

Meanwhile, Parnassus need a distributor in Soviet Canuckistan so I can finally get that reissue of the Leipzig recital. Bastards.
If Canadian, the exchange rate for the British pound is quite attractive now.  I've have a couple of orders filled with no problem from presto (uk)   They have a couple of Richter - Parnassus in stock, including the Leipzig
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Parnassus/PACD96032
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 09, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 09, 2010, 09:25:54 PM
This is very good -- it has the most intense Prokofiev 9 that I have heard from Richter or indeed anyone else.

Sound quality is fine

Alas...more duplication.

But...if the sound is good - particularly in the second sonata - this might be a good investment!

Any idea how this second sonata stacks up (performance-wise) to the 1965 Praga and/or 1950 Ankh? Sound-wise neither of these get high marks but are imminently tolerable.

In the ninth sonata the 1981 Tokyo (on Memoria) is very impressive and very well recorded. The ninth from Praga (1956) is good, too, yet once again troubled by so-so sound.

Not to put you on the spot but duplication is getting to be problem for me with Richter so any input as far as comparisons would be welcome. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 10, 2010, 07:11:06 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 09, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
Alas...more duplication.

But...if the sound is good - particularly in the second sonata - this might be a good investment!

Any idea how this second sonata stacks up (performance-wise) to the 1965 Praga and/or 1950 Ankh? Sound-wise neither of these get high marks but are imminently tolerable.

In the ninth sonata the 1981 Tokyo (on Memoria) is very impressive and very well recorded. The ninth from Praga (1956) is good, too, yet once again troubled by so-so sound.

Not to put you on the spot but duplication is getting to be problem for me with Richter so any input as far as comparisons would be welcome. :)

Give me a couple of days.

From memory, my pressing of the Tokyo 9th has very much inferior sound, and the performance is less intense. But leave it till I have checked.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on June 10, 2010, 07:35:54 AM
Quote from: listener on June 09, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
If Canadian, the exchange rate for the British pound is quite attractive now.  I've have a couple of orders filled with no problem from presto (uk)   They have a couple of Richter - Parnassus in stock, including the Leipzig
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Parnassus/PACD96032
Good to know. I'm not sure why I didn't think about ordering from the UK, since orders from there usually arrive quicker than ones from the US. Now if only there weren't obscene import charges on orders above $20--I hate having to order things piecemeal.

I'll be interested in comments on that Prokofiev issue too. How's the 2nd sonata? I'm aware that it's technically possible to play the piece better than the performance on the Praga issue: I'll just have to hear it to believe it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on June 10, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: edward on June 10, 2010, 07:35:54 AM
Good to know. I'm not sure why I didn't think about ordering from the UK, since orders from there usually arrive quicker than ones from the US. Now if only there weren't obscene import charges on orders above $20--I hate having to order things piecemeal.

I'll be interested in comments on that Prokofiev issue too. How's the 2nd sonata? I'm aware that it's technically possible to play the piece better than the performance on the Praga issue: I'll just have to hear it to believe it.

I once placed a single order at close to $200 USD and there was no duty imposed by the US Custom.  But who knows, this may change with the federal government drowning in a sea of red ink ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on June 18, 2010, 04:44:17 PM
Maybe someone else has posted on it, but does anyone have a verdict on these issues?

(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/412URexCcWL._SS500_.jpg)
(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51W7caCwaDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 18, 2010, 04:45:22 PM
Haven't heard it (or bought it) yet, edward, sorry.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 20, 2010, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 09, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
Alas...more duplication.

But...if the sound is good - particularly in the second sonata - this might be a good investment!

Any idea how this second sonata stacks up (performance-wise) to the 1965 Praga and/or 1950 Ankh? Sound-wise neither of these get high marks but are imminently tolerable.

In the ninth sonata the 1981 Tokyo (on Memoria) is very impressive and very well recorded. The ninth from Praga (1956) is good, too, yet once again troubled by so-so sound.

Not to put you on the spot but duplication is getting to be problem for me with Richter so any input as far as comparisons would be welcome. :)

The 9th on the Melodya disc is superior to the Tokyo concert on Memoria -- better sound, a more lively and electric performance.

The sound quality of the  2nd sonata  is absolutely fine -- a bit of background noise but you can hear the music very well, with no pain. I don't have any other recording of him in Prokofiev 2 (as far as I remember)

He uses a fantastic steely soviet piano which I appreciate very much in this music.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 20, 2010, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 20, 2010, 10:21:20 AM
The 9th on the Melodya disc is superior to the Tokyo concert on Memoria -- better sound, a more lively and electric performance.

The sound quality of the  2nd sonata  is absolutely fine -- a bit of background noise but you can hear the music very well, with no pain. I don't have any other recording of him in Prokofiev 2 (as far as I remember)

He uses a fantastic steely soviet piano which I appreciate very much in this music.

Thanks, Mandryka. I may have to get this if only for the second. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Scarpia on June 20, 2010, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: edward on June 10, 2010, 07:35:54 AM
Good to know. I'm not sure why I didn't think about ordering from the UK, since orders from there usually arrive quicker than ones from the US. Now if only there weren't obscene import charges on orders above $20--I hate having to order things piecemeal.

Were you ever charged import duty?  I have ordered from mdt, many times, as well as from sites in Germany, France and Australia.  The total charge is usually well over $20, and I have never been charged anything.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 27, 2010, 10:07:41 PM
Mozart: Piano Sonata in B flat major, K570
Prokofiev: Piano Sonata no.4 in C minor, op.29 "from Old Notebooks"
Debussy: Etudes nos.1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10 & 12
Debussy: Preludes, Book II, nos.11 & 12

Doremi: DHR7796

This CD contains  a hallucinatory, ecstatic, vibrant  performance of 7 Debussy Etudes.

I also quite enjoyed the Mozart sonata (K570) – I like Richter's style in Mozart.

Sound -- I have a very good hi-fi, and so that gets to the music in the CD. But you need to have a good hi-fi. These Etudes are very revealing -- so it's probably worth upscaling you system.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 05, 2010, 01:21:55 PM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/APHI_900000__68241__05262010092953-7557.jpg)

First spin.  This excerpt from back of cover:

Before the recording was completed  five sessions later, Richter, an unrelenting perfectionist, had played both of Liszt's redoubtable concerti several times in order to realize the finest performance of which he was capable.  Certain movements were repeated without pause, Richter's only refreshment consisting of a sugar cube or small chocolate square, quantities of which he kept on the piano at all times.  The standards he set for himself would have intimidated a pianist with lesser stamina; during the final session, all had agreed that the concertos were"in the can", but the pianist, with a gleam in his eye, noted that there was still time left to record the First Concerto once again.  To everyones amazement, his last take surpassed all his previous performances.  A burst of applause greeted him as he arose from the piano.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 05, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
Great story, Bill!  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 25, 2010, 12:06:21 AM
Schubert, Impromptu in A flat major, Op 90/4), Praga (1972) and Olympia (1979); Impromptu in A flat, D 935 no. 2, Melodyia (1950)

I thought the Praga recording showed some of the best and worst characteristics of SR's Schubert. On the plus side, this is very exciting. On the minus side, it's vulgar. Great big dynamic contrasts – huge crashing forte passages followed by tear  jerking pianissimos.

I thought the Olympia perforemnce is better. There's still some exiitement – though it's not as electric as the Prague performance. But in terms of depth of feeling it's much more interesting – the recording seems to have a soupçon of the  special Richterian melancholy which he can sometimes (rarely) evoke, and which I find like.

I also listened to the A flat impromptu D935/2 on Melodyia. I thought this was really for Richter freaks only – as before the vast dynamic range was exciting and electric, but overall the result is a bit shallow maybe.

The Olympia record also has a nice perfromance of the E flat Op 90/2.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 25, 2010, 04:43:19 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on July 25, 2010, 12:06:21 AM
Schubert, Impromptu in A flat major, Op 90/4), Praga (1972) and Olympia (1979); Impromptu in A flat, D 935 no. 2, Melodyia (1950)

I thought the Olympia perforemnce is better. There's still some exiitement – though it's not as electric as the Prague performance. But in terms of depth of feeling it's much more interesting – the recording seems to have a soupçon of the  special Richterian melancholy which he can sometimes (rarely) evoke, and which I find like.

I also listened to the A flat impromptu D935/2 on Melodyia. I thought this was really for Richter freaks only – as before the vast dynamic range was exciting and electric, but overall the result is a bit shallow maybe.

The Olympia record also has a nice performance of the E flat Op 90/2.

Haven't heard the Praga (or the Melodiya, for that matter), it's not part of the "Richter in Prague" set. Do you have a link to the CD?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 25, 2010, 06:00:03 AM
Quote from: George on July 25, 2010, 04:43:19 AM


Haven't heard the Praga (or the Melodiya, for that matter), it's not part of the "Richter in Prague" set. Do you have a link to the CD?

Disc 14 track 5 of the big box, George. With the D960 and a Liszt Polonaise.

In fairness to SR, it sounds to me that he's playing it as a rousing encore -- the final bar is very "rousing" and the audience leap in with applause. It makes a good lollipop.

This is the Melodyia (I like the Bartok a lot on it)



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on July 25, 2010, 07:40:09 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on July 25, 2010, 12:06:21 AM
Schubert, Impromptu in A flat major, Op 90/4), Praga (1972) and Olympia (1979); Impromptu in A flat, D 935 no. 2, Melodyia (1950)

I thought the Praga recording showed some of the best and worst characteristics of SR's Schubert. On the plus side, this is very exciting. On the minus side, it's vulgar. Great big dynamic contrasts – huge crashing forte passages followed by tear  jerking pianissimos.

I thought the Olympia perforemnce is better. There's still some exiitement – though it's not as electric as the Prague performance. But in terms of depth of feeling it's much more interesting – the recording seems to have a soupçon of the  special Richterian melancholy which he can sometimes (rarely) evoke, and which I find like.

I also listened to the A flat impromptu D935/2 on Melodyia. I thought this was really for Richter freaks only – as before the vast dynamic range was exciting and electric, but overall the result is a bit shallow maybe.

The Olympia record also has a nice perfromance of the E flat Op 90/2.

Mandryka, thanks for the comments. Your impressions on the Impromptus gave me a nice pretext of relistening to Richter and these beautiful pieces.

As usual is not easy to order his multiple recordings. So, I tried to make an updated list (AFAIK) of Richter's commercial recordings of the Schubert Impromptus. 

      D.899 No.2 – Moscow 1950; Sofia 1958; Tokyo 1979
      D.899 No.3 – Kiev 1964; Budapest 1967; Moscow 1967; Kiev 1967
      D.899 No.4 – Sofia 1958; Budapest 1958; Kiev 1959; New York 1960; Kiev 1967; Duvrovnik 1967; Budapest
                           1967; Moscow 1967; Praga 1972; Munich 1978; Tokyo 1979
      D 935 No.2 – Moscow 1952; Salzburg 1972

And here are also some impressions of the readings I find more interesting or characterful: 
   
E flat major Op.90 D.899 No.2 – the Tokyo 1979 has the best sound and impresses me the most by the fluent but poised drive, beautiful color/tone, nice contrasts between hands and overall dramatic tension; the Sofia 1958 is a much more energetic reading but with very imaginative phrasing details; the Moscow 1950 is full of drive, almost like an etude, but for me is perhaps too quick and less interesting

B flat major Op.90 D.899 No.3 - the Kiev 1964 has a distant sound but I found this performance very special – the intimacy and apparent detachment gives the piece an almost religious hymnic character; the latter readings have better sound, more contrasts and dramatic tension, but the unique ambiance and poetry of the 1964 reading is almost miraculous.

A flat minor Op.90 D.899 No.4 – listening to the Sofia 1958 recital it is difficult to imagine a more intense and dramatic interpretation of this piece; some may feel it is too intense, but beneath the tension there is still poetry and beautiful singing phrases; the contrast of the Sofia recital with the Praga 1972 is immense – this is a much more intimate and poetic, almost solar reading, with beautiful piano colors and poignant phrasing; the Budapest 1967 strikes for the apparent poised detachment and sadness; the Tokyo 1979 has better sound and for me it gives the more noble character of the piece, combining intimacy and dramatic tension, with wonderful color contrasts and phrasing.     
       
A flat major Op.142 D.935 No.2 – it is curious to compare the reflective Moscow 1952 A flat major reading with the Moscow 1950 recording of the E flat major. Obviously these are two completely different pieces but it is amazing how the young Richter could already give such contrasting characters. And for me it is also interesting to notice how in the 1952 reading Richter could already build that dreamy and dramatic tension we associate to most of his Schubert. And if we listen to the Salzburg 1972 we get an even slower and darker reading of the A flat major – with even more contrasts and tension – almost like one of his late Schubert sonatas.               
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 25, 2010, 09:23:36 AM
Very good, ccar.

I love that Sofia D.899 No.4.  I still think that Prague one is brash by comparison. "Solar" is a more charitable word for it -- I certainly see what you mean.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: DavidRoss on July 30, 2010, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: ammar on July 30, 2010, 10:51:15 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qP6mP-SgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Gee, I never noticed before how much Richter looks like a pissed off Tommy Smothers.
(http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/th130/Tom%20Smothers-1.JPG)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ammar on July 30, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
The resemblance is even more uncanny when you find out that they're both carrying a pink plastic lobster out of shot  :D

(and no, that isn't a euphemism, before anyone asks -  http://ahmedfernando.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/richters-pink-plastic-lobster/ )
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on July 30, 2010, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: ammar on July 30, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
The resemblance is even more uncanny when you find out that they're both carrying a pink plastic lobster out of shot  :D

(and no, that isn't a euphemism, before anyone asks -  http://ahmedfernando.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/richters-pink-plastic-lobster/ )
And an even more uncanny coincidence is that within a couple of years of Richter's death, the first episode of Futurama was bringing that plastic lobster to life on TV!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Dr_John_Zoidberg.png)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ammar on July 30, 2010, 11:39:40 AM
In many ways, this explains the rumours surrounding Richter's sexuality - all the girls were frightened off when asked to go backstage and examine his 'pink plastic lobster'. I guess Nina Dorliak got to see it once, before a lieder recital, and was therefore more understanding of his request  ::)

( I like British comedian Ross Noble's idea of engaging in activities which sound like euphemisms, but aren't : ' No, I genuinely was nudging the rhinoceros last night ' )
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 30, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
Quote from: ammar on July 30, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
The resemblance is even more uncanny when you find out that they're both carrying a pink plastic lobster out of shot  :D

(and no, that isn't a euphemism, before anyone asks -  http://ahmedfernando.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/richters-pink-plastic-lobster/ )

That writer has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. $:) The TRUTH about Richter and the lobster isn't nearly as dramatic as he'd have it at all. The tale of "Richter And The Lobster" begins and ends with a phase Richter went through as he battled a serious bout of depression. All told it was something he simply had to DEAL with, not as something consciously concocted, as he rode out the depression. Why the lobster not even he knew. Only that it helped, somehow.

Eventually the phase ended and the lobster went away. It was but a single episode in his career that came and went and lasted in terms of mere months (no doubt tough months). IOW, a fluke. It had nothing at all to do with any supposed life-long, "pre-concert" ritual.

Sad that stuff like this gets spread around in the name of "entertainment"... :'(

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ammar on July 31, 2010, 03:47:23 AM
Firstly, a big mea culpa, all the moreso because I already knew that the lobster was linked with Richter's period of depression. Let that be a warning to anybody who hastily turns to google for evidence in a thread post  :-[

But there is plenty of humour in the rest of Richter's behaviour - I challenge anyone to read the excerpts from his notebooks ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sviatoslav-Richter-Notebooks-Conversations-Monsaingeon/dp/0691095493/ ) and not laugh out loud at the absurdity of some of the entries.

What I also find amusing (and more importantly, brings us back on topic) is that this series of posts has outlasted the discount on the EMI set, which is now back on sale for £21.27.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2010, 05:51:49 PM
Quote from: ammar on July 31, 2010, 03:47:23 AM
But there is plenty of humour in the rest of Richter's behaviour - I challenge anyone to read the excerpts from his notebooks ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sviatoslav-Richter-Notebooks-Conversations-Monsaingeon/dp/0691095493/ ) and not laugh out loud at the absurdity of some of the entries.

Yes, THAT is definitely true! ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on July 31, 2010, 06:05:50 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 30, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
That writer has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. $:) The TRUTH about Richter and the lobster isn't nearly as dramatic as he'd have it at all. The tale of "Richter And The Lobster" begins and ends with a phase Richter went through as he battled a serious bout of depression. All told it was something he simply had to DEAL with, not as something consciously concocted, as he rode out the depression. Why the lobster not even he knew. Only that it helped, somehow.

Eventually the phase ended and the lobster went away. It was but a single episode in his career that came and went and lasted in terms of mere months (no doubt tough months). IOW, a fluke. It had nothing at all to do with any supposed life-long, "pre-concert" ritual.

Sad that stuff like this gets spread around in the name of "entertainment"... :'(

Not sure what to make of the claim by this author that the great violinist Henryk Szeryng took large quantities of cocaine before solo concerts to calm his nerve.  What kind of evidence did he have?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2010, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on July 31, 2010, 06:05:50 PM
Not sure what to make of the claim by this author that the great violinist Henryk Szeryng took large quantities of cocaine before solo concerts to calm his nerve.  What kind of evidence did he have?

Yeah, the lobster tale (...no pun ;D) sure got twisted all around so I can't help wondering about this one, too...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on August 06, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
 8)Two for $2 each:

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1958

Along with an lp of Schumann Concerto Op 54 and Mozart Concerto 20 on a Vox album.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 06, 2010, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: Bogey on August 06, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
8)Two for $2 each:

(http://www.enjoythemusic.com/Magazine/music/0704/classical/richtergrey.jpg)
1958

Along with an lp of Schumann Concerto Op 54 and Mozart Concerto 20 on a Vox album.

Very nice, Bill!  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brahmsian on August 06, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Just want to confirm that George has posted at least once on every page of the 'Richter' thread (36 pages and counting).  Which does not mean he is a necessarily a fan.

I had nothing better to do than verify this fact.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on August 06, 2010, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: Brahmsian on August 06, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Just want to confirm that George has posted at least once on every page of the 'Richter' thread (36 pages and counting).  Which does not mean he is a necessarily a fan.

I had nothing better to do than verify this fact.  8)

Only once on some pages?! ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 06, 2010, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Brahmsian on August 06, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Just want to confirm that George has posted at least once on every page of the 'Richter' thread (36 pages and counting).  Which does not mean he is a necessarily a fan.

I had nothing better to do than verify this fact.  8)

If Richter is forgotten, it won't be my fault.  0:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on September 13, 2010, 06:48:59 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wyzOlMzIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Thoughts?  This is a Denon release.  Here:

http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-19/dp/B001QWFUDI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1284432284&sr=1-1

Sorry if I missed it earlier on this thread.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 13, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: Bogey on September 13, 2010, 06:48:59 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wyzOlMzIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Thoughts?  This is a Denon release.  Here:
http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-19/dp/B001QWFUDI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1284432284&sr=1-1
Sorry if I missed it earlier on this thread.

I have that one, Bill. I just popped the CD to refresh my memory. The piano sound is very dull. It has a processed (noise reduced) sound that I really don't like. However, the performances are very good, so at that marketplace price (under $4 new), I'd say grab it. 

The liner notes do not indicate when and where these performances came from, but I did some detective work and I am fairly certain that they are from Leningrad, 1960. This was a great time for Richter, IMO. His power and intensity at that time was stunning.

(http://www.trovar.com/str/covers/Leningrad/1323.jpg)

These three performances were previously released on Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD, pictured above.) Haven't heard (or seen) that CD to compare. I see a few copies on eBay. Here's (http://cgi.ebay.com/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-3-7-19-Sviatoslav-Richter-CD-1997-/341672291686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4f8d416d66) a pretty cheap used one. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: George on September 13, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
The piano sound is very dull. It has a processed (noise reduced) sound that I really don't like. However, the performances are very good, so at that marketplace price (under $4 new), I'd say grab it.

Yep. Sadly this disc is pretty crappy sonics-wise - but the performances are some of my favorite Richter Beethoven! :D He's definitely "on" here and clearly is relishing the moment.

I'm with George, Bill, grab it!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 08:43:55 PM
While we're here, there's more great news for Richter fans: that 1967 Spoleto Festival recital is FINALLY making its way back into print - on CD!!

I only hope there isn't any downgrading of the sound on the new issue, though. The original Turnabout LPs had good, clean stereo sound, if ever so slightly recorded at a low level. But no major problem.

Contents are:

Debussy's book 2 preludes
Haydn's piano sonata no.37
Chopin's first Ballade
Schumann's Novelettes Op. 21, nos. 1&2

Amazon link is here. (http://www.amazon.com/Richter-Spoleto-S/dp/B0040T7CO4/ref=pd_ybh_10?pf_rd_p=280800601&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1501&pf_rd_i=ybh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19CETS93S0QHNCZXMTCT)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 14, 2010, 02:57:39 AM
Thanks for the news, Don!  :)

I have never heard this recital before. Is it one of the essential Richter performances?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on September 14, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
Quote from: George on September 13, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
I have that one, Bill. I just popped the CD to refresh my memory. The piano sound is very dull. It has a processed (noise reduced) sound that I really don't like. However, the performances are very good, so at that marketplace price (under $4 new), I'd say grab it. 

The liner notes do not indicate when and where these performances came from, but I did some detective work and I am fairly certain that they are from Leningrad, 1960. This was a great time for Richter, IMO. His power and intensity at that time was stunning.

(http://www.trovar.com/str/covers/Leningrad/1323.jpg)

These three performances were previously released on Leningrad Masters LM 1323 (CD, pictured above.) Haven't heard (or seen) that CD to compare. I see a few copies on eBay. Here's (http://cgi.ebay.com/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-3-7-19-Sviatoslav-Richter-CD-1997-/341672291686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4f8d416d66) a pretty cheap used one.

I have a number of CD's by Helene Grimaud on Denon but they sound pretty good to me ...   :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 14, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on September 14, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
I have a number of CD's by Helene Grimaud on Denon but they sound pretty good to me ...   :-\

Yes, Denon typically does have high technical standards but in this instance the bad sound isn't their fault. They didn't record this recital - it's some ancient air-check or pirate job that was badly recorded in the first place. So when the source is bad already there's only so much an engineer can do, alas... (which I'm sure you know).

I actually heard that old Leningrad Masters CD years ago and it wasn't quality sonic goods then either. But Denon can be commended for bucking the "pristine sound" trend and reissuing a recording of high artistic merit, warts and all. Through the scratchy sound is artistic dynamite and fully justifies the reissue. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 14, 2010, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: George on September 14, 2010, 02:57:39 AM
Thanks for the news, Don!  :)

I have never heard this recital before. Is it one of the essential Richter performances?

I find it to be pretty indispensable for two reasons: First, the Haydn is rare on disc, since 1967 was the only year he played this sonata (kind of like his Hammerklavier year - 1975). Another recording of this sonata actually IS available - on BBC Legends - but I haven't heard it (more about this below).

Second, the Debussy book 2 preludes are exquisite, rivaling his BBC Legends performance of the same year (1967).

But what nudges this Spoleto recital ahead of the BBC Legends Debussy disc (and probably the BBC Haydn disc) is the sound. Many of those BBC Legends discs are afflicted with somewhat diffuse sound (with notable exceptions) so the crisper, better focused, and all around "airier" sound in Spoleto gives me a better picture of what Richter's shooting for in the Debussy (even on LP). It simply gives the Debussy more sparkle. Which is important to me.

I've been waiting for this recital's resurrection on disc for ages principally for the Debussy. Now all I need is for the issuing label's engineers to get the sound right. :-X

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: dirkronk on September 15, 2010, 04:36:00 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 08:43:55 PM
While we're here, there's more great news for Richter fans: that 1967 Spoleto Festival recital is FINALLY making its way back into print - on CD!!

I only hope there isn't any downgrading of the sound on the new issue, though. The original Turnabout LPs had good, clean stereo sound, if ever so slightly recorded at a low level. But no major problem.

Contents are:

Debussy's book 2 preludes
Haydn's piano sonata no.37
Chopin's first Ballade
Schumann's Novelettes Op. 21, nos. 1&2

Amazon link is here. (http://www.amazon.com/Richter-Spoleto-S/dp/B0040T7CO4/ref=pd_ybh_10?pf_rd_p=280800601&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1501&pf_rd_i=ybh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19CETS93S0QHNCZXMTCT)

Don...I have two early Vox Turnabouts with Richter in concert (not counting the licensed concertos from Melodiya). Wasn't the Spoleto the recital with the crashing piano lid? The one that Richter essentially played right on through? If so, you're right. Very good live sound...lots of presence and dimension...assuming you have a decent vinyl pressing (not always a sure thing with Vox Turnabout of that era). And assuming you've cranked the volume a bit to maximize the aural illusion, the crashing lid thingie always brings uninitiated listeners to full alert.
;D

Dirk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on September 15, 2010, 09:07:04 AM
Is there a particularly special Richter recording of Beethoven Piano sonata  No. 12 Op.26?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2010, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: dirkronk on September 15, 2010, 04:36:00 AM
Don...I have two early Vox Turnabouts with Richter in concert (not counting the licensed concertos from Melodiya). Wasn't the Spoleto the recital with the crashing piano lid? The one that Richter essentially played right on through? If so, you're right. Very good live sound...lots of presence and dimension...assuming you have a decent vinyl pressing (not always a sure thing with Vox Turnabout of that era). And assuming you've cranked the volume a bit to maximize the aural illusion, the crashing lid thingie always brings uninitiated listeners to full alert.
;D

Dirk

Oh, is THAT what that sound is?? ;D I'd never heard the story behind the boom. I had just assumed it was someone carelessly slamming a door or some such. You're right, though, it's jarring. It occurs in the middle of the first Debussy piece. Thankfully nothing seems to change sonically because of it but what concentration by Richter to just keep on truckin' in spite of this!   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2010, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on September 15, 2010, 09:07:04 AM
Is there a particularly special Richter recording of Beethoven Piano sonata  No. 12 Op.26?

I have both the live Praga and studio RCA.

Distortion is a major factor in the Praga, especially the louder things get, but otherwise the sound is okay. No complaints about the performance.

The RCA is blessed with rich, colorful sound (I have the earlier RCA/Papillon edition) and I've always found the performance superb.

I'd be hard pressed to recommend one over the other which says a lot about the RCA.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 15, 2010, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2010, 11:29:39 AM
I'd be hard pressed to recommend one over the other which says a lot about the RCA.

I have that RCA. Must spin it later.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on September 15, 2010, 01:03:10 PM
The RCA definitely!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on September 28, 2010, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 15, 2010, 11:29:39 AM

The RCA is blessed with rich, colorful sound (I have the earlier RCA/Papillon edition) and I've always found the performance superb.


Quote from: Holden on September 15, 2010, 01:03:10 PM
The RCA definitely!

Yes, I bought that RCA/Papillons CD and the Op 26  is a very good example of Richter's art. Thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ririiii on October 04, 2010, 10:04:57 PM
As my first post here, and being in a Richter mood, I wanted to mention that this sonata existed also in this french box relased in 2001 that I have and enjoy.  It included Richter's remaining RCA recs [Beethoven 1/Munch, Brahms 2/Leinsdorf, Beethoven 22 and this trmendous Appassionata.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FZGYHFEHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 05, 2010, 07:40:25 PM
Welcome to GMG, ririiii!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 14, 2010, 09:48:47 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/611nB7hIWzL._SS500_.jpg)



^Took the plunge and I must say it was worth the meager outlay. Wasted no time diving right into Debussy's Book 2 Preludes (haven't heard the rest of the disc and the following reflects that).

The sound is a definite improvement over the Vox/Turnabout LPs though still a pale shadow of Richter's commercial Debussy (on DG). His Vanguard Debussy is also much better recorded.

Not that anything is terribly amiss, it's just that the bass is a bit shy. Fortunately the highs and mids are cleanly captured which perfectly transmits to the listener all the knuckle-twisting runs and tiny pirouettes laced throughout music. And Richter does an amazing job of fleshing everything out.

A/B comparisons with another recording of Debussy's Book 2 Preludes - that on a BBC Legends disc - left me feeling that neither recording came out aces in the sound department, with a bass-shy Musical Concepts and a BBC Legends disc sporting sound that's overall too tubby and diffuse for my taste. Sort of muddy....

So the world still awaits the "perfect" Book 2 from Richter but as it stands the Musical Concepts disc is a fine stop-gap, with the BBC Legends recording a worthy supplement.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 14, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on October 14, 2010, 09:48:47 PM
A/B comparisons with another recording of Debussy's Book 2 Preludes - that on a BBC Legends disc - left me feeling that neither recording came out aces in the sound department, with a bass-shy Musical Concepts and a BBC Legends disc sporting sound that's overall too tubby and diffuse for my taste. Sort of muddy....

So the world still awaits the "perfect" Book 2 from Richter but as it stands the Musical Concepts disc is a fine stop-gap, with the BBC Legends recording a worthy supplement.

Thanks for your review, Don.

Performance-wise, which is better? The BBC or the Musical Concepts?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 15, 2010, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: George on October 14, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
Thanks for your review, Don.

You're welcome, George. :)

QuotePerformance-wise, which is better? The BBC or the Musical Concepts?

Probably the Musical Concepts performance but undoubtedly the clearer sound factors into this. One of Richter's endearing qualities is his ability to cleanly and imaginatively articulate the tiniest of musical details - with startling virtuosity! - and hearing this applied to Debussy's extremely subtle music is an intense pleasure. Spoleto's cleaner sonic picture is a definite aid in transmitting this.

Setting aside sonic issues for a moment, in an attempt to get at the actual music, I will say that in Spoleto I hear perhaps more concentration from Richter, which usually from Richter translates into more liberated and freer playing - i.e., greater spontaneity. Everything just sounds wonderfully fresh and alive, here.

BUT...again, how much do sonic factors weigh in on this? Don't really know but I can say with certainty that I enjoy this Spoleto recording!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 15, 2010, 09:40:53 AM
Thanks, Don.

Of course, I shall be buying this CD anyway. the question is how fast will I be running to the store?  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on October 15, 2010, 09:50:15 AM
To make matters more complicated there's a sublime Livre 2 in the Hungary box – 1967 --  good sound considering it's live and more than 40 years old.

That Hungary box is a major event – stuffed with goodies.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Clever Hans on October 15, 2010, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on October 15, 2010, 09:50:15 AM
To make matters more complicated there's a sublime Livre 2 in the Hungary box – 1967 --  good sound considering it's live and more than 40 years old.

That Hungary box is a major event – stuffed with goodies.

Also 1967 Moscow Conservatory:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/CD/MELCD1001622.htm

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on October 15, 2010, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: George on October 15, 2010, 09:40:53 AM
Thanks, Don.

Of course, I shall be buying this CD anyway. the question is how fast will I be running to the store?  ;D

;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: George on October 15, 2010, 09:40:53 AM
Thanks, Don.

Of course, I shall be buying this CD anyway. the question is how fast will I be running to the store?  ;D

Or how fast you will click for that one click checkout ...    ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 16, 2010, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
Or how fast you will click for that one click checkout ...    ;D

Nah, it'll be cheaper at JandR, where I plan to pick it up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: George on October 16, 2010, 06:07:38 PM
Nah, it'll be cheaper at JandR, where I plan to pick it up tomorrow.

JandR is now open 7 days a week?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 16, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 06:51:58 PM
JandR is now open 7 days a week?

It always was.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 07:21:03 PM
Quote from: George on October 16, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
It always was.

Not so.  It was always closed on Sunday until 10-15 years ago.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 16, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 07:21:03 PM
Not so.  It was always closed on Sunday until 10-15 years ago.

Oh, OK. I have only been going there that long so I wasn't aware. Amazing that they did enough business back then that they didn't need to stay open on Sunday.  :o
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on October 16, 2010, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: George on October 16, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
Oh, OK. I have only been going there that long so I wasn't aware. Amazing that they did enough business back then that they didn't need to stay open on Sunday.  :o

The change was no doubt inspired by the big box stores and the likes of Tower Record, etc.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on October 20, 2010, 09:06:12 AM
The Hungary box is, I think, the most exciting release of piano music for years.

For the first time I can hear clearly why people who saw him in his heyday were so impressed.

Maybe it's most valuable for the earliest recordings, which are in very good sound. There is some truly astounding Bach there.

I'd also single out  his Debussy, and Ravel.

Anyway,  I am really confident in recommending this set. It's phenomenal.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on October 26, 2010, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on September 15, 2010, 09:07:04 AM
Is there a particularly special Richter recording of Beethoven Piano sonata  No. 12 Op.26?
Quote from: Holden on September 15, 2010, 01:03:10 PM
The RCA definitely!

There are at least 8 commercial recordings of the Beethoven A flat major Sonata  by Richter - Kiev 1958, Prague 1959, Bucharest 1960, New York Oct 1960, New York Nov 1960, Ferrara 1966, Moscow 1976 and Munich 1994.   
 
For me, this Sonata has always been a demanding listening piece. A simple repetitive theme with five syncopated variations. A scherzo with a small lyric motif concealed by some small and  unbalancing motifs. The famous Marcia funebre, with a melodic theme evolving with constant modulations and dissonances.  And a final movement in a Rondo Allegro with a straightforward drive that contrasts immensely with the almost obsessive variations of the first movements. Not surprisingly, a contemporary "critic" commented this was neither an easily playable sonata nor a simple "enjoyable" piece.   

Comparing the various Richter readings I was, as always, fascinated by his multiple and different approaches to the same work. Not only each of the movements is given a unique character but he is able to create completely different ambiances for the whole set. I really don't know if this perceptions result only from my personal listening, nor what particular intention Richter may had had. But these very different facets of each reading really help me to unfold the richness and the beauty of this complex array of apparently simple repeating motifs.

Like others have mentioned before in this thread, the New York Nov 1960 version (RCA/BMG/Melodyia) is one of the most impressive, by the fiery intensity, the coherent character of the whole and by the astonishing virtuosity. It is particularly interesting to compare it with the Carnegie Hall performance that took place less than a month before, clearly in a more retracted or introspected tone.  But for me, if I want to try a more freely exploratory Richter in this sonata, perhaps with less structural coherence but with more discovery and more boldness in many details, I will also try his first version (1958 Kiev). We are immediately surprised by Richter's unique liberty, the courageous and almost humoresque character of the first movement variations.  And in his last recorded performance of the piece (Munich 1994) we may also discover  him in another world, as if in his latter days Richter's Beethoven could well mix with the more intimate colors of a late Schubert.   

   
                              (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pYUlyumcis4/TDBMzXpyi7I/AAAAAAAAEnk/JjPLwsAcAOc/S1600-R/per+blog+2+-b+-+Copia.bmp)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: k-k-k-kenny on November 12, 2010, 11:24:10 PM
Comrades

I've spent several hours going from one end of this thread to the other, and whilst fearing for my wallet, and have a question for the initiated about a performance which I already possess: THE Rach 2 from February 1959.

Mine is paired with a very ordinary Rach 3 by Postnikova on the Yedang label. No question that it is quite compressed, but I see that it is paired with the Master playing Rach 1 on a Victor or HMV Japan release. Can any say whether this may be sonically superior?

(I also have the Wislocki/Warsaw PO recording, and whilst it is mighty fine, IMO the performance from February just shades it)

By the way, has anyone devoured the Richter in Hungary box and able to express a view on it?

All suggestions gratefully acknowledged.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on December 19, 2010, 09:40:13 AM
                  (http://leiter.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/charles-munch.jpg?w=345&h=410)       (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qhAXilyQBS0/TC8B3FLlNVI/AAAAAAAAGkk/V3abgp8GUh0/s1600/Sviatoslav%2BRichter.jpg)


                  "One day, at the end of a repetition of the Beethoven First Concerto with the Boston Orchestra, I was so touched
                  by the conducting I kissed the hand of Charles Munch." 
S.R.


Many of us remember the famous "conductor statement" of Leonard Bernstein before the Brahms D minor concerto with Glenn Gould. That never resolved question of the soloist versus conductor dominance was revived in my mind while I was listening to the recent CD release of the 1960 debut Richter-Munch-BSO live performances, of the Beethoven C major and the Brahms B flat concertos (DOREMI 7972/3).

I always cherished the Richter-Munch RCA studio recording of the Beethoven No.1, produced on the days after these live concerts. And I could not be surprised by Richter's wonderful rendition of the Brahms No.2 - we know how impressive he could be in this work by his other recordings of the concerto – first with Kondrashin but then with Leinsdorf, Mravinski, Maazel, Georgescu and Rossi. But I was not expecting the way Charles Munch took his stand to drive the BSO in one of the fieriest renditions of this Brahms concerto I can remember.

From Richter's notes we know how he very much admired Munch's conducting, particularly after this Boston tour. But in these live recordings Munch's orchestra is so much present, so intense and alive, I could even imagine if Richter thought for an instant he should also give some sort of "soloist statement" to the public.   
 
                                       
                                        (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513tyBUkUgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)      (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61EpPiL%2BHeL._SCLZZZZZZZ_AA250_Beethoven-Piano-Concerto-No-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Herman on December 19, 2010, 10:58:45 AM
are we to understand the transfer is good in this case?

These Doremi Richter cds are usually awfully bad.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 19, 2010, 11:27:34 AM
Thanks for the great post, ccar!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on December 20, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 19, 2010, 10:58:45 AM
are we to understand the transfer is good in this case?

These Doremi Richter cds are usually awfully bad.

Thank you for the heads up.  So these Doremi CD's should be avoided at all times ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 20, 2010, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on December 20, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Thank you for the heads up.  So these Doremi CD's should be avoided at all times ...

Not all times. Vol. 9 (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Myaskovsky) is quite decently recorded.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on December 21, 2010, 06:03:52 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 20, 2010, 10:10:51 PM
Not all times. Vol. 8 (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Myaskovsky) is quite decently recorded.

BTW, is Doremi legit or is it one of many pirate labels?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on December 21, 2010, 07:57:31 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on December 20, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Thank you for the heads up.  So these Doremi CD's should be avoided at all times ...

The sound quality of the DOREMI CD's is variable and sometimes worse than I would desire or expect. But in many cases the sound is good or at least acceptable if we understand that most of the recordings are taken from historic live concerts and recitals and many are musical moments of real quality not easily available elsewhere. To "avoid them at all times" is probably unwise for any serious music listener, unless you are too dependent on the sound issues. 

The Brahms and the Beethoven with Munch are most probably from the radio broadcasts and the sound is quite good for its age. Of course they are not studio recordings but there is only minimal hiss and some dynamic distortion, typical of this kind of broadcast takes. The piano tone is given in full. The orchestra is very present but the balance is not so well defined, probable because of the microphone location. For me the sound quality is more than enough to appreciate these impressive and magical performances.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 21, 2010, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on December 21, 2010, 06:03:52 AM
BTW, is Doremi legit or is it one of many pirate labels?

Doremi is pirate in the sense that they issue unauthorized recordings of bootlegged material.

But what keeps them in a favorable light among collectors is they're a label not known for stealing outright from other labels. A big bugaboo in the specialist world.

Their catalog also includes much esoteric material otherwise not available anywhere else, which helps bolster their reputation (like a mini-Music & Arts, I suppose).

But how to OFFICIALLY define them, well, something along the lines of "gray area label" might apply seeing as they don't really step on other labels' toes...but since they don't exactly get their material from official sources....

...anyone else....?

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on December 21, 2010, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 21, 2010, 09:35:19 AM
Doremi is pirate in the sense that they issue unauthorized recordings of bootlegged material.

But what keeps them in a favorable light among collectors is they're a label not known for stealing outright from other labels. A big bugaboo in the specialist world.

Their catalog also includes much esoteric material otherwise not available anywhere else, which helps bolster their reputation (like a mini-Music & Arts, I suppose).

But how to OFFICIALLY define them, well, something along the lines of "gray area label" might apply seeing as they don't really step on other labels' toes...but since they don't exactly get their material from official sources....

...anyone else....?

Thanks for the info.  I have always thought such labels only exist in the non-classical world.  I have a bootlegged live recording of the Beatles recorded at the 1964 Shea Stadium concert ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on December 27, 2010, 05:27:38 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on October 20, 2010, 09:06:12 AM
The Hungary box is, I think, the most exciting release of piano music for years.

For the first time I can hear clearly why people who saw him in his heyday were so impressed.

Maybe it's most valuable for the earliest recordings, which are in very good sound. There is some truly astounding Bach there.

I'd also single out  his Debussy, and Ravel.

Anyway,  I am really confident in recommending this set. It's phenomenal.

It's great, isn't it? Got it for Christmas and really, really enjoying it thus far. Most pleased.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on December 27, 2010, 05:45:46 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on October 15, 2010, 09:50:15 AM
To make matters more complicated there's a sublime Livre 2 in the Hungary box – 1967 --  good sound considering it's live and more than 40 years old.

That Hungary box is a major event – stuffed with goodies.

Can I get a link to this one folks?  Many thanks!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Peregrine on December 27, 2010, 05:52:31 AM
Quote from: Bogey on December 27, 2010, 05:45:46 AM
Can I get a link to this one folks?  Many thanks!

http://amzn.to/hfS1tS

http://bit.ly/f9vXvQ

;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on December 27, 2010, 05:59:35 AM
Quote from: Peregrine on December 27, 2010, 05:52:31 AM
http://amzn.to/hfS1tS

http://bit.ly/f9vXvQ

;)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on December 27, 2010, 09:42:55 AM
From 1967(?) this recital on the turntable:


http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/sviatoslav_richter/debussy__preludes__book_ii/
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on December 27, 2010, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: Bogey on December 27, 2010, 09:42:55 AM
From 1967(?) this recital on the turntable:
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/sviatoslav_richter/debussy__preludes__book_ii/

It's indeed from 1967 - Spoletto 14 Jun 1967 - a wonderful recital only recently issued on CD - http://www.amazon.com/Richter-Spoleto-S/dp/B0040T7CO4 (http://www.amazon.com/Richter-Spoleto-S/dp/B0040T7CO4)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 03:05:48 PM
Interesting.  Grabbed this used lp for 3 bones:

(http://members.fortunecity.com/petertaylor/img/TVS34359.jpg)

Haydn Sonata in E Major, Hob. XVI, No. 22
Schumann Two Novelettes, Op.21
deFalla Danse Rituelle du Feu from "El Amor Brujo"
Chopin Ballade in G Minor
Prokofiev Sonata No. 7 in B Flat Major, Op. 83

Well, I was digging around trying to find the recording date of this recital because the jacket does not have a date at all.  Look what I found:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/sviatoslavrichter/message/1835?o=1&d=-1

Also, can anyone here help me date this recital?  I want to go through my Richter lps and put a note in with each that has the recording dates and hoping you folks could help. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 09, 2011, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 03:05:48 PM
Interesting.  Grabbed this used lp for 3 bones:

(http://members.fortunecity.com/petertaylor/img/TVS34359.jpg)

Haydn Sonata in E Major, Hob. XVI, No. 22
Schumann Two Novelettes, Op.21
deFalla Danse Rituelle du Feu from "El Amor Brujo"
Chopin Ballade in G Minor
Prokofiev Sonata No. 7 in B Flat Major, Op. 83

Well, I was digging around trying to find the recording date of this recital because the jacket does not have a date at all.  Look what I found:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/sviatoslavrichter/message/1835?o=1&d=-1

Also, can anyone here help me date this recital?  I want to go through my Richter lps and put a note in with each that has the recording dates and hoping you folks could help. :)

Not sure of the date, Bill, but http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/index.html should have all the info you need.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 03:10:02 PM
Was it Spoleto, 14 July 1967?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Yup.  Your site confirmed it, buddy!  thanks!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 09, 2011, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Yup.  Your site confirmed it, buddy!  thanks!

I recommend bookmarking that one, Bill.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: George on January 09, 2011, 03:12:12 PM
I recommend bookmarking that one, Bill.  :)

I did so while you typed your last post. :D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 20, 2011, 11:39:01 AM
Finally found a cheap copy of this CD:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/610h8hR32LL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 21, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
Just read in the liner notes to the Originals issue of Richter's Rach 2 that he recorded the Rach 4. They say it's an early reccording. Is that true? Or is it a missprint?

According to Trovar:

QuoteConcertos no. 3 and no. 4
◦were never recorded by Richter
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on January 21, 2011, 03:14:22 PM
Quote from: George on January 21, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
Just read in the liner notes to the Originals issue of Richter's Rach 2 that he recorded the Rach 4. They say it's an early reccording. Is that true? Or is it a missprint?


AFAIK Richter never recorded neither the Rach 3 nor Rach 4.  And apparently he also never played them, at least in public performances.     
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 21, 2011, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: George on January 21, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
Just read in the liner notes to the Originals issue of Richter's Rach 2 that he recorded the Rach 4. They say it's an early reccording. Is that true? Or is it a missprint?

According to Trovar:

Yeah, Trovar has it right. And Monsaingeon's Notebooks confirms it. Richter never performed the Rach 4 in concert.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 21, 2011, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 21, 2011, 05:17:24 PM
Yeah, Trovar has it right. And Monsaingeon's Notebooks confirms it. Richter never performed the Rach 4 in concert.

Ok, thanks Don and ccar!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 22, 2011, 07:30:49 AM
Now listening to a BBC program that discusses, among other things, the new book about Sviatoslav Richter.

It can be heard here during the next 7 days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xmv0q (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xmv0q)

The Richter portion begins at 13:40
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 23, 2011, 09:11:19 AM
Now:

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0noW4zqvo_TZA8K8KPfkfgt0buMQCfI2hINWT5OBm8naXjXstRw&t=1)
Angel S 35679 (LP)
London, 1 - 5 Aug 1961

On a bummer note, I am chucking two of my DG Richter platters because the pops and hisses which are at a level even too much for me.  They were only $1 a piece when I nabbed them, so it was worth the try.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 28, 2011, 07:39:07 AM
Is there a CD with this (good) performance?

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZYOqmfiKCNE


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 28, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: Bogey on January 23, 2011, 09:11:19 AM
Now:

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0noW4zqvo_TZA8K8KPfkfgt0buMQCfI2hINWT5OBm8naXjXstRw&t=1)
Angel S 35679 (LP)
London, 1 - 5 Aug 1961

On a bummer note, I am chucking two of my DG Richter platters because the pops and hisses which are at a level even too much for me.  They were only $1 a piece when I nabbed them, so it was worth the try.

FWIW, if you ever plan to get a turntable to connect to your computer to digitize your LPs, you'd be able to clean up the sound a lot.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 28, 2011, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 28, 2011, 07:39:07 AM
Is there a CD with this (good) performance?

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZYOqmfiKCNE

Did you check the Trovar website?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 28, 2011, 09:00:09 AM
Quote from: George on January 28, 2011, 08:12:43 AM
Did you check the Trovar website?

Yes -- I can't see any Schubert/ Liszt there
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on January 28, 2011, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 28, 2011, 07:39:07 AM
Is there a CD with this (good) performance?

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZYOqmfiKCNE


Moscow 8 Dec 1949 - Parnassus - volume 6

[asin]B003F18094[/asin]
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 28, 2011, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: ccar on January 28, 2011, 12:37:35 PM

Moscow 8 Dec 1949 - Parnassus - volume 6

I might have guessed, as it sounds overfiltered.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on January 28, 2011, 01:02:41 PM
Quote from: George on January 28, 2011, 12:48:07 PM
I might have guessed, as it sounds overfiltered.

The UTube is always a bad sound sampler. In the CD the sound is actually much better (for a live 1949, obviously).   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 28, 2011, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: George on January 28, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
FWIW, if you ever plan to get a turntable to connect to your computer to digitize your LPs, you'd be able to clean up the sound a lot.

Blasphemy!

That would be like cleaning up the Mona Lisa. Only true experts should mess with such masterpieces.....plus, I like my old vinyl sounding like old vinyl.  Just not too old.;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 28, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 28, 2011, 03:41:47 PM
Blasphemy!

That would be like cleaning up the Mona Lisa. Only true experts should mess with such masterpieces.....plus, I like my old vinyl sounding like old vinyl.  Just not too old.;D

No problem, so digitize it and clean it up a little. People do that all the time, even Ward Marston.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 28, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: ccar on January 28, 2011, 12:37:35 PM

Moscow 8 Dec 1949 - Parnassus - volume 6


Thanks. I'll buy it. I collect records of the Op 45 prelude and I am like Liszt.

Someone will earth up a set of Goldbergs and the Vingt Regards by Richter next.  ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on January 29, 2011, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: George on January 28, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
FWIW, if you ever plan to get a turntable to connect to your computer to digitize your LPs, you'd be able to clean up the sound a lot.

Bill,

This outboard USB device by ION will set you back less than $50.  I bought one almost 2 years ago.  It digitizes both LP and tape ...  (http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Record-Music-Archive-System/dp/B000V9M8R8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296339291&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 04, 2011, 10:20:45 PM
I want to buy a Schumann quintet but I don't know which one to get.

AFAIK therea are three: Doremi, Teldec and Meldyia. I think the Doremi and  Meldyia record the same recital (31 December 1985.) Herman has said that the Doremi has bad  sound. Has anyone tried the Melodyia?

And then there's the Teldec (Nantes 1991.)  How is that in terms of performance and sound?


[asin]B0040HPKD6[/asin]    [asin]B00000JGXA[/asin]   [asin]B000058TGA[/asin]



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 05, 2011, 03:50:17 AM
Sorry, Mandryka, I don't have any of those. But I am very curious about them.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 08, 2011, 07:23:39 AM
I've heard it now. First impressions. Very impressive in the final movement. Like totally crazy.  And very well balanced throughout, in terms of the relation of the piano to the strings.  The sound is fine.

It remains to compare it with the Teldec. We already know that the Doremi sounds poor, because Herman says so.

[asin]B0040HPKD6[/asin] 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 08, 2011, 07:30:27 AM
Trovar only list one Trout Quintet -- Hohenems, 18 June 1980 on EMI. I have it and it has never become a favourite. It just isn't exuberant enough or fast enough  for me. Too grave.

But what is this? The amazon.co.uk says it was released in 2005 recorded in1969. Is it  good?

(http://www.borodinquartet.com/images/disc/30.jpg)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on February 08, 2011, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 08, 2011, 07:30:27 AM
Trovar only list one Trout Quintet -- Hohenems, 18 June 1980 on EMI.
But what is this? The amazon.co.uk says it was released in 2005 recorded in1969. Is it  good?
(http://www.borodinquartet.com/images/disc/30.jpg)


The Trout is the one (and only, AFAIK) already issued by EMI (1980). The other work in this Olympia edition is the Sonata Gran Duo Op.162,  performed by Oistrakh and Bauer - and this is the one recorded in 1969.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: MishaK on February 08, 2011, 09:51:51 AM
I recently acquired this:

[asin]B00001W07K[/asin]

which contains a really interesting and very personal take on Debussy's preludes, unlike the performances of any other pianist. Not contrary to the music's spirit at all, but not the way you would conceive these pieces necessarily from just looking at the score. Fascinating listening experience.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 08, 2011, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: Mensch on February 08, 2011, 09:51:51 AM
which contains a really interesting and very personal take on Debussy's preludes, unlike the performances of any other pianist. Not contrary to the music's spirit at all, but not the way you would conceive these pieces necessarily from just looking at the score. Fascinating listening experience.

I love that set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Sadko on February 17, 2011, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: George on January 28, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
No problem, so digitize it and clean it up a little. People do that all the time, even Ward Marston.  8)

I have an old sound cleaning tool (software), but it works well, you can easily check how much correction sounds good. I like it's "difference" feature, which allows you to listen to what you are filtering out. When you hear just noise you can be quite sure not to filter out some subtle things.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 23, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
(http://api.3.esh-partner.net/GetThumbnail.ashx?ID=1CD8A80E-F105-4CBF-B084-9862B285CF0C)

Tracklisting here (http://www.brilliantclassics.com/release.aspx?id=FM00379293)

QuoteAbout this release
One of the greatest pianists of the 20th century, Sviatoslav Richter was also one of the most self contained, enigmatic and elusive artists of the time. A fierce self-critic he seldom was happy with the results of his recordings. His criticism often embraced conductors, producers and sound engineers.

These recordings capture him a wide range of concertos from Bach to Britten, via his beloved Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven (though he only recorded his concertos 1&3 and the Triple Concerto) and Brahms.

Many of the recordings date from prior to the commercial releases. The Dvorak here is from 1966 and conducted by Kondrashin. The famous EMI LP with Kleiber appeared in the 1970s -- Richter claimed that neither he nor Kleiber were in the best form. In the case of the Britten concerto with the composer conducting, the recording here is from 3 years earlier than the famous Decca LP. Richter was unhappy with this as Britten was apparently ill and 'a shadow of himself'. The Brahms 2 and the Schumann are from private tapes owned by conductor George Georgescu who is at the helm in both concertos. A good example of Richter's self - criticism can be found in his comment on his later RCA Chicago Symphony /Leinsdorf recording 'one of my worst records...I can't bear it'. It won a Grammy!

This set also includes some of the lesser known works Richter championed -- Les Djinns by Franck and the Dvorak Piano Concerto which he played more than 25 times from the 1960s to the 80s. He did more than any pianist to restore this work to the repertoire.

A must for all who appreciate truly great pianism, and the artistry of one of the very great pianists of recent times.

Other information:
- Comprehensive booklet notes including extracts from Sviatoslav Richter; Notebooks and Conversations by Bruno Monsaingeon
- Many of these recordings are currently unavailable, or appearing for the first time
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 23, 2011, 07:41:23 PM
Thanks, George!

Can't wait for more info, like recording dates and sound.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 23, 2011, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on February 23, 2011, 07:41:23 PM
Thanks, George!

Can't wait for more info, like recording dates and sound.

Hey Don!

I'd bet the farm that the sound will be mediocre, but the price is sure to be very reasonable.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on February 23, 2011, 08:11:24 PM
Quote from: George on February 23, 2011, 07:44:17 PM
Hey Don!

I'd bet the farm that the sound will be mediocre, but the price is sure to be very reasonable.

Ah, no worries.  I am sure they will add some bass and such so it sounds good on any i-pod or car stereo. ;D

Future GMG'rs kickin' some remastered Richter:

http://www.youtube.com/v/N1B-mQlQGFk
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 23, 2011, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: George on February 23, 2011, 07:44:17 PM
Hey Don!

I'd bet the farm that the sound will be mediocre,

S'up, George. I bet you're right about the sound.

Quotebut the price is sure to be very reasonable.

That's true! :)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 23, 2011, 08:16:52 PM
Quote from: Bogey on February 23, 2011, 08:11:24 PM
Ah, no worries.  I am sure they will add some bass and such so it sounds good on any i-pod or car stereo. ;D

Future GMG'rs kickin' some remastered Richter:

http://www.youtube.com/v/N1B-mQlQGFk

:o ;D


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 23, 2011, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: Bogey on February 23, 2011, 08:11:24 PM
Ah, no worries.  I am sure they will add some bass and such so it sounds good on any i-pod or car stereo. ;D

I guess it's time for me to buy a car and/or ipod... NOT!!  ::)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 23, 2011, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on February 23, 2011, 08:16:52 PM
:o ;D

Who needs eyes when the brains aint workin'  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on February 23, 2011, 08:19:10 PM
Quote from: George on February 23, 2011, 08:18:25 PM
Who needs eyes when the brains aint workin'  ;D

:D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 20, 2011, 08:55:27 AM
I'm enjoying trying to understand how he developed so I've been listening side by side to some recordings, viz

Handel Keyboard Suite 5, Budapest 29 April 1963 Hungary box and Château de Marcily-sur-Maulne, 1 July 1979 EMI
Mozart K310 from Prague  1 June 1956 Praga  and London 29 March 1989 Philips
Bach English Suite No. Moscow 3 19 Dec 1948 Melodyia  and Tours, June 1991 Stradivarius

The interesting thing for me is the change -- in all three cases I'm feel the earlier recording is more exciting. And the later recording is more poised, more reflective and above all more intense. I'm going continue the investigation, and bring Haydn into the picture, and Beethoven.

There was a period when he started to have heart trouble and give up playing recitals for a while. I wonder if this change in tone coincides with his return after that illness was brought under control.

This has been something that has been bugging me for ages -- I'm glad I'm making the time to understand it a bit better.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: westknife on April 20, 2011, 08:58:09 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 20, 2011, 08:55:27 AM
The interesting thing for me is the change -- in all three cases I'm feel the earlier recording is more intense, more exciting. And the later recording is more poised, more reflective and above all more intense.

So wait... which one is more intense?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 20, 2011, 09:00:16 AM
God you're quick. Typo. The later :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: zauberharfe on April 25, 2011, 12:14:26 PM
@Mandryka

I have tons of recordings by the Maestro, and I've always found the comparison of his different recordings intriguing, too! If you spend some more time with his cds, I reckon you'll realize that he sometimes changed his vision of a work a lot even in a few years' time! Incidentally, if it hadn't been clear by now, for me he is primus inter pares, so to speak.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bhodges on April 25, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
Hello, zauberharfe, and welcome to GMG. Lots of Richter fans here!

If you like, please feel free to post something about yourself in the "Introductions" section, here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/board,2.0.html

In any case, enjoy your time at GMG.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 25, 2011, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Brewski on April 25, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
Lots of Richter fans here!

*raises hand proudly*  8)


(Hey, Bruce!)  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: bhodges on April 25, 2011, 12:29:41 PM
Hiya George!

So I realized the other day ( :-[) I still have a copy of Richter Rediscovered (below) and never got around to listening to all of it.

[asin]B00005OLD9[/asin]

--Bruce
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Scarpia on April 25, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Brewski on April 25, 2011, 12:29:41 PM
Hiya George!

So I realized the other day ( :-[) I still have a copy of Richter Rediscovered (below) and never got around to listening to all of it.

I just realized I have the Richter Icon set, which I got from amazon.co.uk, new, for 5 pounds, and haven't even looked inside yet.  I can only assume there are CDs in there.   :P

[asin]B001B1R1HC[/asin]

I see it sells for a reasonable price on amazon.com, maybe a little Richter arbitrage is in order!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on April 25, 2011, 12:40:31 PM
(http://api.3.esh-partner.net/GetThumbnail.ashx?ID=1CD8A80E-F105-4CBF-B084-9862B285CF0C)

QuoteThese recordings capture him a wide range of concertos from Bach to Britten, via his beloved Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven (though he only recorded his concertos 1&3 and the Triple Concerto) and Brahms.

Many of the recordings date from prior to the commercial releases. The Dvorak here is from 1966 and conducted by Kondrashin. The famous EMI LP with Kleiber appeared in the 1970s -- Richter claimed that neither he nor Kleiber were in the best form. In the case of the Britten concerto with the composer conducting, the recording here is from 3 years earlier than the famous Decca LP. Richter was unhappy with this as Britten was apparently ill and 'a shadow of himself'. The Brahms 2 and the Schumann are from private tapes owned by conductor George Georgescu who is at the helm in both concertos. A good example of Richter's self - criticism can be found in his comment on his later RCA Chicago Symphony /Leinsdorf recording 'one of my worst records...I can't bear it'. It won a Grammy!

This set also includes some of the lesser known works Richter championed -- Les Djinns by Franck and the Dvorak Piano Concerto which he played more than 25 times from the 1960s to the 80s. He did more than any pianist to restore this work to the repertoire.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 25, 2011, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: Brian on April 25, 2011, 12:40:31 PM
(http://api.3.esh-partner.net/GetThumbnail.ashx?ID=1CD8A80E-F105-4CBF-B084-9862B285CF0C)

I've never heard the Bach with Nikolayevsky, or the Haydn with  Tsiryuk  -- are they good performances? Is the sound OK?

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: zauberharfe on April 25, 2011, 12:57:47 PM
Thanks for the kind words, dear Brewski! I'll definitely get down to make a proper introduction soon.  :)

If someone is interested I can post the recording dates and places of the new Brillant boxset; some of them are clearly wrong, some of them are oop or LP reissues and there is some unpublished material, too. I don't have the boxset itself as yet, though  ;D

One has to be careful about Richter: he has the greatest discography out there among pianists, not to mention the even greater amount of unreleased recordings, and many labels (Brilliant  >:() put bullshit on the covers, like 'Moscow 1947' when the actual date is 10 years later, ecc...

if these Bach concertos are conducted by Nikolayevski (I hope) then the date is 18/05/1991 and not 19/12/1983.
As to the Haydn, yes, the sound must be quite good. Also video footage exists on dvd from this recording.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 25, 2011, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: Brewski on April 25, 2011, 12:29:41 PM
Hiya George!

So I realized the other day ( :-[) I still have a copy of Richter Rediscovered (below) and never got around to listening to all of it.

No judgment here. I don't even own it yet.  :'(
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on April 25, 2011, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 25, 2011, 12:47:26 PM
I've never heard the Bach with Nikolayevsky, or the Haydn with  Tsiryuk  -- are they good performances? Is the sound OK?

Bach with Nikolayevsky??  Did you mean Bach with Nikolayeva.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 25, 2011, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Brewski on April 25, 2011, 12:29:41 PM
Hiya George!

So I realized the other day ( :-[) I still have a copy of Richter Rediscovered (below) and never got around to listening to all of it.

[asin]B00005OLD9[/asin]

--Bruce

Try Prokofiev's sixth sonata, Bruce. Then perhaps the Chopin scherzo (if you haven't listened to them already).


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 25, 2011, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on April 25, 2011, 05:19:01 PM
Bach with Nikolayevsky??  Did you mean Bach with Nikolayeva.

The box has:

Keyboard Concerto No. 3 in D major, BWV1054
Students' Orchestra of the Moscow State Conservatory, Yuri Nikolayevsky
Keyboard Concerto No. 7 in G minor, BWV1058
Students' Orchestra of the Moscow State Conservatory, Yuri Nikolayevsky

Trovar lists a 1054 and 1058 with Bashmet,  both of which  which I haven't heard.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on May 01, 2011, 09:40:18 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 25, 2011, 12:47:26 PM
I've never heard the Bach with Nikolayevsky, or the Haydn with  Tsiryuk  -- are they good performances? Is the sound OK?
Quote from: Mandryka on April 25, 2011, 09:55:45 PM
The box has:

Keyboard Concerto No. 3 in D major, BWV1054
Students’ Orchestra of the Moscow State Conservatory, Yuri Nikolayevsky
Keyboard Concerto No. 7 in G minor, BWV1058
Students’ Orchestra of the Moscow State Conservatory, Yuri Nikolayevsky

Trovar lists a 1054 and 1058 with Bashmet,  both of which  which I haven't heard.

                                                    (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLDAxxcIxaEmTbzAGrWanNA8k9GLMgqEIZqV5tb9CEISJqiBnRaQ)

The Bach and the Haydn concertos are both live recordings. Expect some resonance and a close microphone but the sound is still quite good.

For the BWV 1054 and 1058 there are a number of Richter recordings but the Bashmet (Teldec) is the only more easily available. Bashmet and the Padova/Veneto Orchestra seem to have looked for a more "stylishly" informed playing but personally I am not thrilled with their orchestral part. After a magical performance of the BWV 1052 with Sanderling, in this same Brilliant CD, Nikolayevsky and the Student's Moscow Conservatory Orchestra are obviously not in the same league, but the performances are very much alive and Richter's playing is still a pleasure to listen to.

AFAIK the Haydn D major concerto is the only Richter ever played in public performances and his only 2 performances were both recorded (and filmed) in 1983, one at the Moscow Conservatory and the other at the Pushkin Museum. There are some but not so easily available DVD releases and also an excerpt in the Bruno Monsaingeon documentary. You may check in the YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/truecrypt#p/search/1/VWu_OUk6c1Q (http://www.youtube.com/user/truecrypt#p/search/1/VWu_OUk6c1Q) but the sound is lousy. Relistening to it now, in better sound, was a real pleasure. I've always been impressed by Richter's Haydn sonata recordings (and even had the opportunity of listening to him live in some). But for me his rendition of the Haydn concerto is quite unique and almost surprising. By the drive, the phrasing, the incredible variety of colors he gets from the piano and by the liberty and wonderful taste of his dynamic effects. There are a number of other goodies inside, but I believe this not easily available Richter's performance of the Haydn D concerto could be, by itself, a strong enough reason to get this bargain CD box.                 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on May 01, 2011, 11:39:01 AM
Thanks ccar. That's very much appreciated.

I've already ordered a Teldec CD with the Bashmet Bach.

One thing which I think is interesting is how the Bwv 1052 with Sanderling is so different from the same concerto with Talich. The two were recorded within a year of each other I think.

Sanderling must have had very strong views about this concerto. I think you can hear his mark in the performance with Yudina.

I like Richter's Bach a lot.

H.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 05:58:26 AM
What say you on these two, folks?

(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/APHI_835204__75997__06092011020842-4117.jpg)


(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/AEMI_3371__6239__01152009111712-4692.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 05:59:31 AM
Second one is a must have, Bill! The first I don't think I have heard.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:04:21 AM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 05:59:31 AM
Second one is a must have, Bill! The first I don't think I have heard.

It is a pre-order on 180 gram vinyl....no other pics or info at this time. :-\
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:13:37 AM
They do have these on XRCD24 CD:

(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/CJVC_24018__14367__01152009113311-5001.jpg)

(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/CJVC_24017__14368__01152009113311-6518.jpg)

Here are some discussions about other XRCD24 CD's

http://www.audaud.com/audaud/SEP03/xrcds/xrcdsSEP03.html

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=233065&highlight=xrcd24

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=37649&highlight=xrcd24

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 06:16:34 AM
Quote from: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:13:37 AM
They do have these on XRCD24 CD:

(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/CJVC_24018__14367__01152009113311-5001.jpg)

(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/medium/CJVC_24017__14368__01152009113311-6518.jpg)

Those both look nice. That Appassionata is a classic performance. I am not sure how much more sound they can really wring out of those tapes though. And I bet they aren't cheap.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:18:19 AM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 06:16:34 AM
Those both look nice. That Appassionata is a classic performance. I am not sure how much more sound they can really wring out of those tapes though. And I bet they aren't cheap.

30 bones each...cheaper than the vinyl posted. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 06:23:11 AM
Quote from: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:18:19 AM
30 bones each...cheaper than the vinyl posted. ;D

That's a great price compared to what they are asking for on amazon. On the other hand, I haven't bothered with any audiophile Classical CDs, as I almost always enjoy the sound on the original CDs. Thankfully, Classical music has been spared many of the atrocities (noise reduction is one exception) that pop/rock music has had to endure over the last 20 years.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 06:23:11 AM
That's a great price compared to what they are asking for on amazon. On the other hand, I haven't bothered with any audiophile Classical CDs, as I almost always enjoy the sound on the original CDs. Thankfully, Classical music has been spared many of the atrocities (noise reduction is one exception) that pop/rock music has had to endure over the last 20 years.

Good info.  And discussing newly pressed vinyl with others, it is no guarantee that it is going to sound great either.  Case by case basis with a few generalities thrown in.  FWIW, I have the above cd on this vinyl (not my copy pictured), so would probably pass:

(http://www.importsounds.com/images/00925S.JPG)



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 05:59:31 AM
Second one is a must have, Bill! The first I don't think I have heard.

Must be a forgery then. :D  Seriously, anyone heard these?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 04:59:30 PM
Must be a forgery then. :D  Seriously, anyone heard these?

;D

You got dates for the performances?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 05:16:03 PM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 05:12:40 PM
;D

You got dates for the performances?

Nevermind, I bet it's this:

Preludes & Fugues, opus 87 no. 4, 12, 14, 15, 17, 23 (Paris, June/July 1963)

    Philips AL / SAL 3458 (LP) or A 02327 L (LP) or 835 204 AY (LP)
    Philips [ US ] PHM 500-048 (LP) or PHS 900-048 (LP)
    Philips 6527 224 (LP) or 6580 084 (LP) or 6580 095 (LP)
    Philips [ Japan ] 13PC89 (LP)
    Philips 438627 (CD)
______________
     
And no, I don't have it, nor have I heard it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 05:19:30 PM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 05:16:03 PM
Nevermind, I bet it's this:

Preludes & Fugues, opus 87 no. 4, 12, 14, 15, 17, 23 (Paris, June/July 1963)

    Philips AL / SAL 3458 (LP) or A 02327 L (LP) or 835 204 AY (LP)
    Philips [ US ] PHM 500-048 (LP) or PHS 900-048 (LP)
    Philips 6527 224 (LP) or 6580 084 (LP) or 6580 095 (LP)
    Philips [ Japan ] 13PC89 (LP)
    Philips 438627 (CD)
______________
     
And no, I don't have it, nor have I heard it.

Actually, yes, I do have it, as it was reissued in The Master series. I'll throw it on.

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/12/ed/cad8810ae7a049d17c440210.L._AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 05:19:30 PM
Actually, yes, I do have it, as it was reissued in The Master series. I'll throw it on.

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/12/ed/cad8810ae7a049d17c440210.L._AA300_.jpg)

I knew you had 'em. ;D  Thanks, while you take a listen I will settle down to....
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:33:17 PM
I knew you had 'em. ;D  Thanks, while you take a listen I will settle down to....

I finished awhile ago. Powerful performances. The works themselves vary greatly in mood, so there's a nice variety. I say get it!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: George on July 09, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
I finished awhile ago. Powerful performances. The works themselves vary greatly in mood, so there's a nice variety. I say get it!

Word.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
Word.

To be clear, I mean grab the Master 2CD set, not the vinyl that will set you back more than twice that.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on July 09, 2011, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 06:33:17 PM
I knew you had 'em. ;D  Thanks, while you take a listen I will settle down to....

George seems to have the same problem with Richter's recordings as I have with my Bach's - too many to keep track of ...     ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 09, 2011, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on July 09, 2011, 06:49:23 PM
George seems to have the same problem with Richter's recordings as I have with my Bach's - too many to keep track of ...     ;D

A wise friend once told me "it's better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them." He was speaking about something else, but it applies here. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on July 09, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
I started digging into this set, which arrived two weeks ago from Presto Classical ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-gPCrSLmL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 01:14:16 PM
These only set me back 15 bones.  The second LvB I had, but was an upgrade:

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/Richter010.jpg)

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/Richter009.jpg)

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/Richter008.jpg)

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/Richter007.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 12, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
Nice score, Bill!  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: George on July 12, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
Nice score, Bill!  8)

Yup, but they still have that Olympia disc I keep passing up. :o
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 12, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
Yup, but they still have that Olympia disc I keep passing up. :o

How much is it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 04:33:46 PM
Quote from: George on July 12, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
How much is it?

$9
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 12, 2011, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 04:33:46 PM
$9

Grab that puppy.  $:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 12, 2011, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
Yup, but they still have that Olympia disc I keep passing up. :o

Which Olympia disc, Bill?


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 12, 2011, 05:58:27 PM
Which Olympia disc, Bill?

Here it is:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JPX14X57L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 13, 2011, 01:10:23 AM
Quote from: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
Here it is:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JPX14X57L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

This is a must have IMO!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 13, 2011, 06:24:56 AM
Quote from: Bogey on July 12, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
Here it is:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JPX14X57L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Ah, yes, nice one. Well, luck is on your side, Bill, if you want this recording - it's been reissued by Alto/Musical Concepts for pretty cheap:



[asin]B003CP1SRE[/asin]


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 13, 2011, 06:33:29 AM
Ah, so a wash.  Just a matter of who did a better pressing I guess.  Thanks, Don!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 13, 2011, 06:43:20 AM
Quote from: Bogey on July 13, 2011, 06:33:29 AM
Ah, so a wash.  Just a matter of who did a better pressing I guess.  Thanks, Don!

And the Olympia is a shade better than the Regis, haven't heard the Alto.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Papy Oli on July 13, 2011, 11:48:17 AM
heeeey i have that Regis version !!!!  *chuffed*  ;D

... that's the only Richter CD I have but I recommend it too  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 13, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: Papy Oli on July 13, 2011, 11:48:17 AM
heeeey i have that Regis version !!!!  *chuffed*  ;D

... that's the only Richter CD I have but I recommend it too  ;D

Don't bother, Bogey doesn't listen to us...  ::)


;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Papy Oli on July 13, 2011, 12:18:57 PM
Hindsight is a beautiful thing but this album deserves to be bought for "Op39. No2 in A minor / Lento assai " alone  0:)

oh... and for "Preludes Op23. No5 in G minor / Alla marcia " too  ;D

and the rest ain't too shabby either...  :P
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 13, 2011, 05:19:51 PM

Quote from: George on July 13, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Don't bother, Bogey doesn't listen to us...  ::)


;)

The vinyl calls me....rules me....(http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/zombie3.gif)

Now playing, and immensely enjoying:

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/Richter007.jpg)

Rach
Concerto for Piano no. 1 in f sharp minor, opus 1, revised version of 1917
Sanderling, USSR Radio & TV Large Symphony (Moscow, 18 Feb 1955)

Saint-Saëns
Concerto for Piano no. 5 in F, opus 103
Kondrashin, Moscow Youth Orchestra (Moscow, 1950 or 1952)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 13, 2011, 05:30:22 PM
...Walk like an Egyptian...  ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on July 13, 2011, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: George on July 13, 2011, 05:30:22 PM
...Walk like an Egyptian...  ;D

Don't you mean "Rach" like an Eqyptian.... ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 25, 2011, 05:36:38 PM
I compared Richter's 1964 Aldeburgh performance in a different transfer recently, this time the Music and Arts. The sound on the aforementioned Living Stage 2 CD set was better, more open and less noise reduced.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 26, 2011, 05:59:25 PM
Found these two rare gems today in the used bins:

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5640/richterbrahms.jpg)(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/152/richterfranck.jpg)

Both have material that is (I think) unavailable anywhere else.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brahmsian on July 26, 2011, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: George on July 26, 2011, 05:59:25 PM
Found these two rare gems today in the used bins:

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5640/richterbrahms.jpg)(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/152/richterfranck.jpg)

Both have material that is (I think) unavailable anywhere else.


:D  George, I love it.  43 pages and counting with at least a post per page.  That's probably like me in the Taneyev thread.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 26, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on July 26, 2011, 06:00:57 PM

:D  George, I love it.  43 pages and counting with at least a post per page.  That's probably like me in the Taneyev thread.  8)

;D

I tell ya, if Richter wasn't this good, I would have stopped by now. The Liszt on the CD pictured above is absolutely stunning!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brahmsian on July 26, 2011, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: George on July 26, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
;D

I tell ya, if Richter wasn't this good, I would have stopped by now. The Liszt on the CD pictured above is absolutely stunning!

How is the Franck piano quintet?  That is one flat out fantastic chamber work!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 26, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on July 26, 2011, 06:05:35 PM
How is the Franck piano quintet?  That is one flat out fantastic chamber work!

Haven't heard it yet. I'll yet you know. Skipped ahead to the Liszt, since it's getting late.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 26, 2011, 06:23:25 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IbJXiFZCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Disc: 1    
1. Rondo for piano in G major, Op. 51/2    
2. Rondo for piano in G major, Op. 51/2    
3. Variations (15) and fugue on a theme from 'Prometheus' for piano in E flat major ('Eroica Variations'), Op. 35    
4. Piano Sonata No. 12 in A flat major ('Funeral March'), Op. 26    
5. Bagatelle for piano in F major, Op. 33/3    
6. Piano Sonata No. 25 in G major ('Cuckoo'), Op. 79    

Disc: 2
   
1. Variations (33) on a waltz by Diabelli, for piano in C major ('Diabelli Variations'), Op. 120
_____________________________________

How did we miss this release?

From an amazon review:

QuoteThe Moscow live recordings from 1950 & 1951 included on this 2CD issue are mono, but surprisingly good quality (far better than some of Richter's stereo recordings) and very little noise from audiences. The performances are; well, it's really pointless to describe them in words, suffice to mention that this particular performance of Diabelli Variations is as gripping as the live recordings in Venice (1970) and Prague (1986).

Anyone hear this yet?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 26, 2011, 08:32:18 PM
Quote from: George on July 26, 2011, 05:59:25 PM
Found these two rare gems today in the used bins:

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5640/richterbrahms.jpg)



Get ready for some weird sound on this one. Probably the driest, most parched sound on a recording I've ever heard. I mean, I've never heard a recording with absolutely ZERO decay!  ;D


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 27, 2011, 02:32:50 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 26, 2011, 08:32:18 PM

Get ready for some weird sound on this one. Probably the driest, most parched sound on a recording I've ever heard. I mean, I've never heard a recording with absolutely ZERO decay!  ;D

Thanks for the warning. How about the performance?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: zauberharfe on July 27, 2011, 03:59:01 AM
Quote from: George on July 26, 2011, 06:23:25 PM

Disc: 1    
1. Rondo for piano in G major, Op. 51/2    
2. Rondo for piano in G major, Op. 51/2    
3. Variations (15) and fugue on a theme from 'Prometheus' for piano in E flat major ('Eroica Variations'), Op. 35    
4. Piano Sonata No. 12 in A flat major ('Funeral March'), Op. 26    
5. Bagatelle for piano in F major, Op. 33/3    
6. Piano Sonata No. 25 in G major ('Cuckoo'), Op. 79    

Disc: 2
   
1. Variations (33) on a waltz by Diabelli, for piano in C major ('Diabelli Variations'), Op. 120
[...]

Anyone hear this yet?

Yes, it's absolutely worth having... the sound is better than on the previous Parnassus releases, it wasn't 'overdone' as with the preceding volumes. I have the original source from which the remaster was made and I can upload some parts of it, if you wish.

As to the playing: a class of its own, I think.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 27, 2011, 04:15:50 AM
Quote from: zauberharfe on July 27, 2011, 03:59:01 AM
Yes, it's absolutely worth having... the sound is better than on the previous Parnassus releases, it wasn't 'overdone' as with the preceding volumes. I have the original source from which the remaster was made and I can upload some parts of it, if you wish.

As to the playing: a class of its own, I think.

Thanks very much! Great news about the sound, perhaps my public complaints to Leslie were heard.

And yes to the samples, please.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 27, 2011, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: George on July 27, 2011, 02:32:50 AM
How about the performance?

I wish I could say. The sound is so bizarre it isn't easy for me to get into the performance.

But you might have better luck than me. :)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 27, 2011, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 27, 2011, 05:52:05 PM
I wish I could say. The sound is so bizarre it isn't easy for me to get into the performance.

But you might have better luck than me. :)

OK.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 28, 2011, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: George on July 26, 2011, 06:23:25 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IbJXiFZCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Disc: 1    
1. Rondo for piano in G major, Op. 51/2    
2. Rondo for piano in G major, Op. 51/2    
3. Variations (15) and fugue on a theme from 'Prometheus' for piano in E flat major ('Eroica Variations'), Op. 35    
4. Piano Sonata No. 12 in A flat major ('Funeral March'), Op. 26    
5. Bagatelle for piano in F major, Op. 33/3    
6. Piano Sonata No. 25 in G major ('Cuckoo'), Op. 79    

Disc: 2 [/b]   
1. Variations (33) on a waltz by Diabelli, for piano in C major ('Diabelli Variations'), Op. 120
_____________________________________

How did we miss this release?

From an amazon review:

Anyone hear this yet?

George - I think that there is a typo here (see the figure in red). I can not find any mention of any SR recording of Op 79 and that includes the Monsaigneon biography. Is this a mistake do you think? If not (but I doubt it) then we can add one more LvB PS to Richter's list.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 28, 2011, 02:35:16 PM
Quote from: Holden on July 28, 2011, 02:30:05 PM
George - I think that there is a typo here (see the figure in red). I can not find any mention of any SR recording of Op 79 and that includes the Monsaigneon biography. Is this a mistake do you think? If not (but I doubt it) then we can add one more LvB PS to Richter's list.

I checked some other sites and they all list Op. 79:

CD Universe - http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8486395
Archiv - http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=564945
MDT - http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April11/PACD96046-7.htm
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 28, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: George on July 28, 2011, 02:35:16 PM
I checked some other sites and they all list Op. 79:

CD Universe - http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8486395
Archiv - http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=564945
MDT - http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April11/PACD96046-7.htm

And I just ordered it, so we'll know soon enough for sure. Interestingly, Parnassus doesn't even have it on their site yet.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 05:42:11 PM
Oooooo....the best Prokofiev 8th sonata on the planet is up for auction on eBay:


Rare Russian Revelation. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Plays-Prokofiev-War-Sonatas-CD-/120756078774?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL&hash=item1c1d9f88b6#ht_1366wt_758)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 28, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 05:42:11 PM
Oooooo....the best Prokofiev 8th sonata on the planet is up for auction on eBay:

Rare Russian Revelation. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Plays-Prokofiev-War-Sonatas-CD-/120756078774?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL&hash=item1c1d9f88b6#ht_1366wt_758)

Cool, I got that one already.  8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: George on July 28, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Cool, I got that one already.  8)

It sure isn't easy to find for a reasonable price anymore. Hopefully some lucky soul can snatch it for cheap. Unless bidding gets crazy...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 28, 2011, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 05:50:09 PM
It sure isn't easy to find for a reasonable price anymore. Hopefully some lucky soul can snatch it for cheap. Unless bidding gets crazy...

I'd appreciate it if you could list your favorite Richter Prokofiev performances for each of the sonatas that he performed.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: George on July 28, 2011, 05:51:39 PM
I'd appreciate it if you could list your favorite Richter Prokofiev performances for each of the sonatas that he performed.

Oh, anytime, Bro! ;D

2nd: Either the '50 Moscow on Ankh or the '65 Prague on Praga. Praga has a noisy audience though is slightly better
        recorded. But the Ankh is probably more daring.     

4th: I like the '66 Aldeburgh on BBC Legends over the '89 London on Decca (Philips).

6th: Hands down the '60 Carnegie Hall on RCA. None others come close: not the '66 Moscow, '65 Prague, or '64 Leningrad.

7th: The '58 Moscow on Melodiya (or Philips GPOTC) over the '70 Moscow on Revelation.

8th: Easily the above mentioned '61 Moscow on Revelation. The '73 Tours is also up there. Both are better than the studio DG.

9th: Prefer the '81 Tokyo on Memoria over the '56 Prague.


There is an interesting recent Melodiya release with the 2nd and 9th but I haven't heard it.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 28, 2011, 06:47:51 PM
Wow, I don't have any of these favorites:

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
2nd: Either the '50 Moscow on Ankh     

4th: I like the '66 Aldeburgh on BBC Legends

6th: Hands down the '60 Carnegie Hall on RCA.

9th: Prefer the '81 Tokyo on Memoria
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 06:54:36 PM
Quote from: George on July 28, 2011, 06:47:51 PM
Wow, I don't have any of these favorites:

I was sampling the two 9ths I have before I posted and I really like how he draws out the melancholy in the work in Tokyo '81. Achingly beautiful...

 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 28, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 06:54:36 PM
I was sampling the two 9ths I have before I posted and I really like how he draws out the melancholy in the work in Tokyo '81. Achingly beautiful...

That CD is rare, too. Over $50 at amazon.  :-[
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 28, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: George on July 28, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
That CD is rare, too. Over $50 at amazon.  :-[

I wonder why so much of this stuff never gets reissued....? Crazy...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 29, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
Quote from: George on July 28, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
And I just ordered it, so we'll know soon enough for sure. Interestingly, Parnassus doesn't even have it on their site yet.

Hello George - I may have cleared up the issue. This is from the MDT review of the Parnassus recording

and the Sonata No. 27, in E Minor, Op. 79

The e minor, as you know, is actually Op 90 and SR has made a number of recordings of it. Looks like a Parnassus typo.

Lets me know what you hear when you get this CD.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 29, 2011, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: Holden on July 29, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
Hello George - I may have cleared up the issue. This is from the MDT review of the Parnassus recording

and the Sonata No. 27, in E Minor, Op. 79

The e minor, as you know, is actually Op 90 and SR has made a number of recordings of it. Looks like a Parnassus typo.

Lets me know what you hear when you get this CD.

Sure!

But it looks like you are right: http://www.amazon.com/Richter-1950s-Beethoven-Diabelli-7/dp/B004UBB3VU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311984995&sr=8-1

Check the sample there and it surely is Op. 90. At least now we have an early version of this work by him, previously the earliest one was 1965.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on July 30, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: George on July 29, 2011, 04:18:57 PM
Sure!

But it looks like you are right: http://www.amazon.com/Richter-1950s-Beethoven-Diabelli-7/dp/B004UBB3VU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311984995&sr=8-1

Check the sample there and it surely is Op. 90. At least now we have an early version of this work by him, previously the earliest one was 1965.

How is this label?  Is it legit?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 30, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on July 30, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
How is this label?  Is it legit?

Yes, it is. It's OK.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 03, 2011, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: Holden on July 29, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
Hello George - I may have cleared up the issue. This is from the MDT review of the Parnassus recording

and the Sonata No. 27, in E Minor, Op. 79

The e minor, as you know, is actually Op 90 and SR has made a number of recordings of it. Looks like a Parnassus typo.

Lets me know what you hear when you get this CD.


It arrived yesterday and yes, it is the Op. 90. Even the CD artwork has the typo.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on August 03, 2011, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: George on August 03, 2011, 05:00:27 PM

It arrived yesterday and yes, it is the Op. 90. Even the CD artwork has the typo.

George,  Are you sure the CD was not made by the Chinese pirate?  A good friend of mine who has been buying and selling coins on eBay told me some counterfeit Morgan Dollars coming out of China apparently have misspelled words on them ...    ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 09:25:23 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ThRqmK8nL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

This new release just arrived today.

The Brahms Piano Quartet on the CD was released before on Philips, but the (complete!) Op. 119 has never been issued before. In fact, no complete recording of this work appeared in Richter's discography - until now! I can't wait to get home and give it a spin. Copies are available from Ruslania on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Borodin-quartet-Brahms/dp/B0058TJJUK/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1314033458&sr=8-6) or on their website. (http://www.ruslania.com/entity-7/context-321/details-225253.html)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on August 22, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
Hey George, I've just moved back to the USA and the first thing I'm listening to at home again (right now in fact) is Sviatoslav Richter's EMI Schubert A major sonata, D664. Feels like home indeed. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 22, 2011, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: George on August 22, 2011, 09:25:23 AM
The Brahms Piano Quartet on the CD was released before on Philips, but the (complete!) Op. 119 has never been issued before. In fact, no complete recording of this work appeared in Richter's discography - until now!

Cool, George! Let us know what you think of the Op.119.

However, the Op.119 pieces do appear in Richter's discography, just not from a single recital. I have them all.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on August 22, 2011, 09:40:20 AM
Cool, George! Let us know what you think of the Op.119.

However, the Op.119 pieces do appear in Richter's discography, just not from a single recital. I have them all.

He's performed all of them?

Do you have one of these?

Klavierstücke, opus 119 no. 1 - 4
    (Milan, 25 March 1965) [ unpublished ]
    [ labelled 13 April 1965, possibly Bergamo 27 March 1965 ]
        EMI Italy 093 2538192 (CD) [ only available to customers of the Italian bank "CAB" ]
    (Duszniki-Zdroj, 10 Aug 1965)
        Rococo 2146 (LP)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: Brian on August 22, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
Hey George, I've just moved back to the USA and the first thing I'm listening to at home again (right now in fact) is Sviatoslav Richter's EMI Schubert A major sonata, D664. Feels like home indeed. :)

(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Games/Images/welcome-back-kotter.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on August 22, 2011, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: George on August 22, 2011, 09:25:23 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ThRqmK8nL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

This new release just arrived today.

The Brahms Piano Quartet on the CD was released before on Philips, but the (complete!) Op. 119 has never been issued before. In fact, no complete recording of this work appeared in Richter's discography - until now! I can't wait to get home and give it a spin. Copies are available from Ruslania on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Borodin-quartet-Brahms/dp/B0058TJJUK/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1314033458&sr=8-6) or on their website. (http://www.ruslania.com/entity-7/context-321/details-225253.html)

The Op 119 -- when did he play them. I've never heard him in  Op 119/4
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 22, 2011, 10:03:24 AM
The Op 119 -- when did he play them. I've never heard him in  Op 119/4

Moscow, January 8, 1959.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on August 22, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: George on August 22, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
Moscow, January 8, 1959.

Good -- earlier the better!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brahmsian on August 22, 2011, 01:23:31 PM
This was a gift a few years back from Novi.  Lately, I can't stop listening to this recording!

[asin]B000067DNW[/asin]
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Novi's got great taste! That Schumann Fantasy is one of the works that first got me collecting Richter recordings.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brahmsian on August 22, 2011, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: George on August 22, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Novi's got great taste! That Schumann Fantasy is one of the works that first got me collecting Richter recordings.

Love that piece!!  Probably my favorite Schumann piano piece.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on August 22, 2011, 01:33:27 PM
Love that piece!!  Probably my favorite Schumann piano piece.  :)

Mine is Kinderszenen.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on August 22, 2011, 03:31:00 PM
Quote from: George on August 22, 2011, 09:25:23 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ThRqmK8nL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

This new release just arrived today.

The Brahms Piano Quartet on the CD was released before on Philips, but the (complete!) Op. 119 has never been issued before. In fact, no complete recording of this work appeared in Richter's discography - until now! I can't wait to get home and give it a spin. Copies are available from Ruslania on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Borodin-quartet-Brahms/dp/B0058TJJUK/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1314033458&sr=8-6) or on their website. (http://www.ruslania.com/entity-7/context-321/details-225253.html)


Quote from: Mandryka on August 22, 2011, 10:03:24 AM
The Op 119 -- when did he play them. I've never heard him in  Op 119/4



Intermezzi Op.119 No.1, 2 – 1965, Bergamo – EMI; 1965, Kiev TNC; 1992, Kempten - LIVE CLASSICS

Intermezzo Op.119 No.3 – 1963, Leipzig - MUSIC & ARTS; 1965, Bergamo – EMI; 1965, Kiev - TNC

Rhapsody Op.119 No.4 – 1965, Bergamo – EMI; 1965, Kiev - TNC; 1966, Locarno -PHILIPS

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 22, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: ccar on August 22, 2011, 03:31:00 PM
Intermezzi Op.119 No.1, 2 – 1965, Bergamo – EMI; 1965, Kiev TNC; 1992, Kempten - LIVE CLASSICS

Intermezzo Op.119 No.3 – 1963, Leipzig - MUSIC & ARTS; 1965, Bergamo – EMI; 1965, Kiev - TNC

Rhapsody Op.119 No.4 – 1965, Bergamo – EMI; 1965, Kiev - TNC; 1966, Locarno -PHILIPS

Those EMI recordings must be unreleased. I have the complete EMI recordings (the ICON box) and those Brahms recordings are not in there. 

EDIT: well, it was on CD, but only for a select few:

Quoteonly available to customers of the Italian bank "CAB"

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 22, 2011, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: George on August 22, 2011, 09:43:45 AM
He's performed all of them?

Do you have one of these?

Klavierstücke, opus 119 no. 1 - 4
    (Milan, 25 March 1965) [ unpublished ]
    [ labelled 13 April 1965, possibly Bergamo 27 March 1965 ]
        EMI Italy 093 2538192 (CD) [ only available to customers of the Italian bank "CAB" ]
    (Duszniki-Zdroj, 10 Aug 1965)
        Rococo 2146 (LP)

I have his Op.119's from Leipzig, Locarno, and Kempten.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on October 18, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
Here he is playing Tchaikowsky Op 72/5 -- wonderful performance. Quite special.

http://www.youtube.com/v/VXk50yqo4bs

It's not listed in trovar but it's on spotify here

http://open.spotify.com/track/3xXWiEh3tl9ye6fUYlKXHW

and I found a download of it on amazon here

http://www.amazon.co.uk/P-Tchaikovsky-Meditation-Op-72-5/dp/B00276FFZK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318968398&sr=8-1

I've no idea if they're all  the same performances. Does anyone?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on October 18, 2011, 03:13:59 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on October 18, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
Here he is playing Tchaikowsky Op 72/5 -- wonderful performance. Quite special.

http://www.youtube.com/v/VXk50yqo4bs

It's not listed in trovar but it's on spotify here

http://open.spotify.com/track/3xXWiEh3tl9ye6fUYlKXHW

and I found a download of it on amazon here

http://www.amazon.co.uk/P-Tchaikovsky-Meditation-Op-72-5/dp/B00276FFZK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318968398&sr=8-1

I've no idea if they're all  the same performances. Does anyone?


In 1983 Richter played the Op.72 no.5 Meditation during a number of recitals. Some were privately recorded but are not commercially available. The one in YouTube is most probably from Munich April 1983, published by Melodiya through various labels – JVC, Olympia, CDK, Regis; there is another recording of the same piece, remarkably similar but from a different recital - Moscow June 1983 - also issued commercially by Melodiya (MEL 1001664).       


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 03, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
Does anyone have Richter's recording of Mozart K491, the 24th Piano Concerto, with Muti? If so, could they upload it for me . . . pretty please  :-*.

Ccar, where are you?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 26, 2012, 09:11:27 AM
Outstandingly beautiful Ballade 4 (Chopin) from Milan in 1966. Does anyone have a record of the rest of the concert?


http://www.youtube.com/v/k45IKm9gxaM
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on February 26, 2012, 09:24:00 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 26, 2012, 09:11:27 AM
Outstandingly beautiful Ballade 4 (Chopin) from Milan in 1966. Does anyone have a record of the rest of the concert?


http://www.youtube.com/v/k45IKm9gxaM

Cannot find it in his discography.  Is this the Ferrara concert of '66?

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: zauberharfe on February 28, 2012, 03:45:16 AM
No, I'm pretty sure it is a different one... I might have it, I"ll check!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on February 29, 2012, 12:37:45 AM
This has to be the best recording of the 4th Ballade that I've ever heard. What makes it for me is the phrasing which is just perfectly exquisite.

When Richter auditioned for Neuhaus he played this piece - "his warhorse".
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 27, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
Is this performance of the Kreisler-Rachmaninoff Liebesfreud on record? What do you think? It sounds so modern!

http://www.youtube.com/v/Ma4RQO5lkwQ
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 01, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
Something new from, of all companies, Praga. Will the old issues resurface? The packaging does say "Richter Edition". Wonder what's coming in the future?



[asin]B007CMTNHA[/asin]





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 01, 2012, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on May 01, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
Something new from, of all companies, Praga. Will the old issues resurface? The packaging does say "Richter Edition". Wonder what's coming in the future?



[asin]B007CMTNHA[/asin]

Hey Don,

All previously released, right?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on May 02, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Praga helpfully provides no recording dates online. One assumes the First concerto is the Moscow 18-Feb-1955 and the Second is the Leningrad 18-Feb-1959. It's a bit harder to track down a likely provenance for the four preludes, but it seems reasonable to assume that they're probably a grab bag from out of copyright commercial recordings.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 02, 2012, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: edward on May 02, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Praga helpfully provides no recording dates online. One assumes the First concerto is the Moscow 18-Feb-1955 and the Second is the Leningrad 18-Feb-1959. It's a bit harder to track down a likely provenance for the four preludes, but it seems reasonable to assume that they're probably a grab bag from out of copyright commercial recordings.

This could be simply a reissue of the material on the Russian Revelation CD (RV 10064.) Except that that CD has the two concerto recordings you mention, along with 4 Etudes Tableaux, Op. 33 No. 6 and Op. 39 No. 3,4 and 9.   

I love that this new issue is on SACD, as if those extra bits will improve the sound, given the source material.  ::)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 02, 2012, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: George on May 01, 2012, 08:48:27 PM
Hey Don,

All previously released, right?

S'up, George.

Yeah, I think you and Edward have got it, at least for the concertos. Hard to say about those Preludes, though.





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 02, 2012, 09:44:53 PM
Here's something new from a company I've never heard of, Divox. It's a repackaging of those old Memoria issues containing a host of Prokofiev from Tokyo. The ninth sonata is a wonderful reading.

It's here at  ArkivMusic (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=18855&name_role1=2&bcorder=2&label_id=883) in the States.


Haven't seen it on Amazon US but here it is on Amazon UK (link seems to be defective):



[asin]B006CAXQ80[/asin]

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on May 03, 2012, 08:21:27 AM
Divox are a Swiss indie label that may be getting better distribution now as they've moved under the Naxos unbrella.

I have a couple of CDs of theirs (Swiss string quartets and Castiglioni oboe music) and they are definitely aiming for a high-quality product. Good to see such a company picking up this sort of material.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 03, 2012, 10:12:41 AM
Thanks, Edward. Good to know.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on June 17, 2012, 04:47:52 AM
According to the concert data in Monsaigngeon's book he played Haydn in the 1960s, 1980s and 1990s. If you listen to how his style developed you hear, I think, much more seriousness in the later performances, at least in the outer movements.  Those later recordings are fantastic, I've really undervalued them in the past. Someone (I think it was Tom Deacon but I'm not sure) once wrote that, after his heart trouble, when you went to a Richter concert, you felt you were faced with a musician determined to reveal every bit of music in the score.

Well that seems spot on for the late Haydn records -- the ones from Mantua on Decca for example. And I much much prefer them to the earlier ones. I like that intensity a lot.

I was prompted to think about this because I was comparing him in the last sonata -- a record from Milan in 1986 (unpublished) and a record from Mantua 20 years later. I've felt the same whenever I've listened to the same sonata from earlier and later recitals.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on June 26, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Now streamable/downloadable outside the USA via Naxos Music Library and ClassicsOnline:

(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/9.81016.jpg)

Mark Obert-Thorn remasters the 1958 Sofia recital. I've never heard this recital recording before, though I'm sure George has! The Schubert impromptu D899/4 truly deserves the description "legendary." MO-T has retained a lot of applause between tracks.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on June 27, 2012, 01:46:43 AM
I have the Philips 50 version which is the best I have heard sonically. I'd be fascinated to see what MO-T has done with this recording as a member of NML I am going there now!

Edit: The Philips 50 version beats this hands down. The Naxos version sounds like Richter has put the piano in the Green Room and is playing from there. What's more, the Philips version I'm listening to is only in 224 kbps MP3. There is a slight swirl of sound (from the original LP?). MO-T has removed this swirl. I'd be interested in hearing from those of us who have the recording that I've got to see what you think.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on June 27, 2012, 03:53:47 AM
Quote from: Holden on June 27, 2012, 01:46:43 AM
I have the Philips 50 version which is the best I have heard sonically. I'd be fascinated to see what MO-T has done with this recording as a member of NML I am going there now!

Edit: The Philips 50 version beats this hands down. The Naxos version sounds like Richter has put the piano in the Green Room and is playing from there. What's more, the Philips version I'm listening to is only in 224 kbps MP3. There is a slight swirl of sound (from the original LP?). MO-T has removed this swirl. I'd be interested in hearing from those of us who have the recording that I've got to see what you think.

I trust your ears Holden. Since I have the Philips 50 version, I will pass. Thanks for saving me the money.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on August 04, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
My Mitropoulos Conducts Mahler set landed today.   Instead of liner notes, the 2011 catalogue of West Hill Radio Archives was included.   

These are not distributed directly to the US because of copyright laws, but they're available on AmazonUK and a few other places outside the US.

Included was a recital of Sviatoslav Richter from 1958 in Budapest
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cj7HF0GLL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richter-In-Budapest-February-1958/dp/B001UWOJ90/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1344133321&sr=1-2-spell

And looking for the AmazonUK listing brought up this one as well, not in the catalogue, of Richter's BSO debut
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51j8yqTpdlL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sviatoslav-Richters-Richter-Symphony-Orchestra/dp/B005BK59LY/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1344133321&sr=1-1-spell

(A search using the term "Sviatoslav Richter West Hill Radio"  brought them up, if the links don't work)

Don't know if these might interest the resident Richterians, but I'd figure I could at least point them out.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 04, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
Thanks for the info, maybe Que or a moderator could merge this post with the Sviatoslav Richter thread? That way folks who already subscribe to that thread will get notification.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 04, 2012, 07:29:36 PM
Cool, Jeffrey. Thanks for the mention.

The first disc is notable for a superb performance of Pictures. It's from the same tour that brought us the famed Sofia Pictures, latterly on Philips, but is much much better recorded (creaky piano stool aside). I prefer it to the Sofia performance as the audience isn't as apt to swamp the interpreter. :)

The Schubert sonata on that disc has had wide circulation on many labels over the years and any Richter Schubert is good Schubert.

The second disc is totally new to Richter's discography, at least outside of private tapes. I've never heard anything about this concert. Wonder what the sound is like?


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: not edward on August 06, 2012, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 04, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
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I can second the recommendation for this disc. Excellent performances of two Richter specialities. Haven't heard anything about the other one, though.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on August 06, 2012, 11:43:04 AM
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Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on August 04, 2012, 07:29:36 PM

The second disc is totally new to Richter's discography, at least outside of private tapes. I've never heard anything about this concert. Wonder what the sound is like?



Quote from: ccar on December 19, 2010, 09:40:13 AM
                  (http://leiter.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/charles-munch.jpg?w=345&h=410)       (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qhAXilyQBS0/TC8B3FLlNVI/AAAAAAAAGkk/V3abgp8GUh0/s1600/Sviatoslav%2BRichter.jpg)


                  "One day, at the end of a repetition of the Beethoven First Concerto with the Boston Orchestra, I was so touched
                  by the conducting I kissed the hand of Charles Munch." 
S.R.


Many of us remember the famous "conductor statement" of Leonard Bernstein before the Brahms D minor concerto with Glenn Gould. That never resolved question of the soloist versus conductor dominance was revived in my mind while I was listening to the recent CD release of the 1960 debut Richter-Munch-BSO live performances, of the Beethoven C major and the Brahms B flat concertos (DOREMI 7972/3).

I always cherished the Richter-Munch RCA studio recording of the Beethoven No.1, produced on the days after these live concerts. And I could not be surprised by Richter's wonderful rendition of the Brahms No.2 - we know how impressive he could be in this work by his other recordings of the concerto – first with Kondrashin but then with Leinsdorf, Mravinski, Maazel, Georgescu and Rossi. But I was not expecting the way Charles Munch took his stand to drive the BSO in one of the fieriest renditions of this Brahms concerto I can remember.

From Richter's notes we know how he very much admired Munch's conducting, particularly after this Boston tour. But in these live recordings Munch's orchestra is so much present, so intense and alive, I could even imagine if Richter thought for an instant he should also give some sort of "soloist statement" to the public.   
 
                                       
                                        (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513tyBUkUgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)      (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61EpPiL%2BHeL._SCLZZZZZZZ_AA250_Beethoven-Piano-Concerto-No-1.jpg)


The DOREMI already issued these wonderful (and truly "historic") performances in 2010. The sound in the WHRA edition is more clear and the balance between the piano and the orchestra is much better. But, curiously, I got the impression these editions were taken from different microphones. The DOREMi seems as if it was taken from inside the stage, with more distortion but with an amazing immediacy and presence. 


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 06, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: ccar on August 06, 2012, 11:43:04 AM
The DOREMI already issued these wonderful (and truly "historic") performances in 2010. The sound in the WHRA edition is more clear and the balance between the piano and the orchestra is much better. But, curiously, I got the impression these editions were taken from different microphones. The DOREMi seems as if it was taken from inside the stage, with more distortion but with an amazing immediacy and presence.

The Doremi CDs I have heard all sound like audience recordings. Ones made by people in the audience with a tape recorder. As a result, they never seem to sound good.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on August 06, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: George on August 06, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
The Doremi CDs I have heard all sound like audience recordings. Ones made by people in the audience with a tape recorder. As a result, they never seem to sound good.

Maybe by someone in the front row ?   ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 06, 2012, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: ccar on August 06, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
Maybe by someone in the front row ?   ;D

Perhaps.  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on August 06, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
That's a very amusing review of the Richter/Munch studio record Carlos. I'm quite tempted to hear the live one.

Op15 has been very much at the front of my mind recently. It's now my preferred Beethoven concerto I think.

I'm curious about what people think of Richter/Eschenbach, recorded nearly 30 years after the one with Munch.

The performance is so challenging, especially in the allegro, that's it's easy to have a knee jerk reaction and say it's just not very good. An off day with an unsympathetic conductor.  That was my initial reaction, as George can testify.

But I don't think things are so simple. First, Richter himself was proud of the performance (p327 of the Notebooks.) Second, the largo shows he is far from having an off day -- IMO his performance there is more impressive than with Munch. Same for the astonishing first movement cadenza. True the third movement is slower than we normally hear - but historically informed performances sometimes play it even slower (Schnooderwoerd), so maybe Richter and Eschenbach were on to something there.

It's the Allegro which is the problem. When you see allegro con brio you expect more vigour . But repeated listening is convincing me that there are ideas in that performance, they've thought it through. They've made it into something extremely dark and serious, which is maybe not what we're used to in this concerto. But there are some strikingly serious and deep things in the music, both in the orchestral intro and in the piano part later on. So maybe that way of playing it is not without some basis.

I don't know, and I wonder what other people think. I will say it's a performance I find fascinating, difficult and in a way, more interesting than the ones with Munch and Ancerl and Kondrashin from the 1960s.

I would say similar things about the Mozart concerto 18 with Barshai, by the way. And the Mozrt 24 with Muti.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 06, 2012, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: ccar on August 06, 2012, 11:43:04 AM
The DOREMI already issued these wonderful (and truly "historic") performances in 2010. The sound in the WHRA edition is more clear and the balance between the piano and the orchestra is much better. But, curiously, I got the impression these editions were taken from different microphones. The DOREMi seems as if it was taken from inside the stage, with more distortion but with an amazing immediacy and presence.


Ah, so a recent addition, then. Thanks.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
Interesting goodies coming down the pipe:


Beethoven from Brilliant (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plays-Beethoven-Sviatoslav-Richter/dp/B008L62XEG)

Beethoven from Praga (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Diabelli-Variations-Sonata-No-31/dp/B008BB3RM8/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1345436772&sr=1-2)

And:


[asin]B008K1PWLS[/asin]


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 19, 2012, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
Interesting goodies coming down the pipe:


Beethoven from Brilliant (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plays-Beethoven-Sviatoslav-Richter/dp/B008L62XEG)

Beethoven from Praga (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Diabelli-Variations-Sonata-No-31/dp/B008BB3RM8/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1345436772&sr=1-2)

And:


[asin]B008K1PWLS[/asin]

The Praga was already released, right?

And is that Scriabin CD the same as the Music and Arts one?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: George on August 19, 2012, 08:39:47 PM
The Praga was already released, right?

And is that Scriabin CD the same as the Music and Arts one?

Yes to both.

I wonder what improvements in sound are in store for the Scriabin and the Praga?



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 19, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
Yes to both.

I wonder what improvements in sound are in store for the Scriabin and the Praga?

I recall the Scriabin sounding fine.

The Brilliant is probably a recycling of the Beethoven in the old Green box. They did that with the 3CD Sofronitsky set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 19, 2012, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: George on August 19, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
I recall the Scriabin sounding fine.

Yeah, but the Music & Arts issue sounded a bit dim to me, though clean and undistorted. The Arkadia issue was an improvement and I've been happy with it for years. But I'm wondering if Parnassus has done anything dramatic with the sound, along the lines of the Leipzig recital. If so, I'm tempted to plunk down the extra $$ for it...but I don't know...



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on August 22, 2012, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: George on August 06, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
The Doremi CDs I have heard all sound like audience recordings. Ones made by people in the audience with a tape recorder. As a result, they never seem to sound good.

Really, I am interested in a Lili Kraus recording released by Doremi ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Kontrapunctus on August 23, 2012, 08:38:42 PM
Not great sound, but what awesome playing! (Beethoven's last three Sonatas plus late Brahms and a Chopin Nocturne as encores.)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61nWcjXbJJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on September 01, 2012, 07:39:12 AM
I've just ordered this. Have I ordered a pig in a poke?

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Russian Performing School, Vol. 18 - Sviatoslav Richter Plays Piano Concertos by Bach, Mozart and Haydn. From the State Radio and TV Archives. [1-3] Bach: Concerto for Keyboard, Two Flutes and Strings No. 6, BWV 1057. Performers: Sviatoslav Richter & Chamber Orchestra of Moscow Conservatoire / Yuri Nikolaevski. Recorded: 1979. [4-6] Mozart: Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 18, KV 456. Performers: Sviatoslav Richter & Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra / Kirill Kondrashin. Recorded: 1977. [7-9] Haydn: Concerto for Keyboard and Orchestra , Hob. XVII:11. Performers: Sviatoslav Richter & Minsk Chamber Orchestra / Yuri Tsiryuk. Recorded: 1993

I'm especially interested in how the Mozart is different from the one with Barshai. And I'm exploring Haydn piano concertos a bit so I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on September 01, 2012, 12:45:26 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on September 01, 2012, 07:39:12 AM

I've just ordered this. Have I ordered a pig in a poke?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DBDq17YhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I'm especially interested in how the Mozart is different from the one with Barshai. And I'm exploring Haydn piano concertos a bit so I couldn't resist.

For the Bach BWV 1057 this is (AFAIK) Richter's only commercially available version. The orchestra is too heavily balanced - but the piano playing is light, crisp and with an amazing drive. 

The Haydn concerto Hob XVII:11 with Tsiryuk has been available but difficult to get. I´ve always loved it - it's a magic performance.   

In the Mozart 18th concerto, with Kondrashin, Richter is much more livelier than with Barchai. For me, in most of his earlier concerti recordings (1940's to 60's) Richter is perhaps less reflexive but I feel he explores a wider array of dynamic and phrasing details. And there is a sense of youthfulness and sheer intensity I miss in his later (rare) recordings of piano and orchestra concerti. 


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on September 02, 2012, 12:46:27 AM
Thanks ccar. I hope it arrives!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on September 06, 2012, 08:14:34 PM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/AHIR_018__84130__09042012044441-2030.jpg)

Thoughts on this performance?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 07, 2012, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Bogey on September 06, 2012, 08:14:34 PM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/AHIR_018__84130__09042012044441-2030.jpg)

Thoughts on this performance?

Richter has said that he prefers this recording to the Leinsdorf one he made of the same work that the critics love. I compared the two recently, but I can't for the life of me recall what my findings were. I can do it again this weekend and let you know.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on September 07, 2012, 12:49:59 PM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/others/0724357324755.gif)

Is this the same recording?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 07, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: Holden on September 07, 2012, 12:49:59 PM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/others/0724357324755.gif)

Is this the same recording?

Yep, that's the one I have.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on September 07, 2012, 08:20:20 PM
Thanks, buddy!  Hope all is well. 

This pressing is new one on 180 gm vinyl.  $34 I believe. This label has been outstanding with its sound so far, so considering it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on September 08, 2012, 09:07:35 AM
Quote from: Toccata&Fugue on August 23, 2012, 08:38:42 PM
Not great sound, but what awesome playing! (Beethoven's last three Sonatas plus late Brahms and a Chopin Nocturne as encores.)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61nWcjXbJJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I bought this CD some 2 months ago, the SQ is not bad IMO ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on September 08, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: Bogey on September 07, 2012, 08:20:20 PM
Thanks, buddy!  Hope all is well. 

This pressing is new one on 180 gm vinyl.  $34 I believe. This label has been outstanding with its sound so far, so considering it.


Bill,  I did not know you are the Mr. Vinyl.  I have not played a single one of my 4000+ LP collection in over a year ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on September 08, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on September 08, 2012, 09:09:54 AM

Bill,  I did not know you are the Mr. Vinyl.  I have not played a single one of my 4000+ LP collection in over a year ...

If you are having storage issues, Stuart I heard that Colorado has a dry (but not overly) climate that is perfect for storing your lps. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on September 08, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: Bogey on September 08, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
If you are having storage issues, Stuart I heard that Colorado has a dry (but not overly) climate that is perfect for storing your lps. ;D

My sister and her hubby are now in the mountains of Telluride, which I have never visited.  They have some 50 acres out there.  I heard from them that CO has been unusually dry the last few years.

No, I can still manage my space since I stopped buying LP's in 89 or 90.  My CD collection finally surpassed my LP collection early last year.  I think my big CD buying days will be soon over ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on November 08, 2012, 06:33:08 PM
George, I posted this in Recordings You Are Considering, too:

(http://i.prs.to/t_200/supraphonsu40142.jpg)

This is Prok 1, Tchaik 1, Bach BWV1052, with Ancerl and Talich in Prague 1954.

I have one Supraphon Richter CD, the Schumann collection (Fantasie, Waldszenen, etc), are there more essentials from that label?

I have two Richter Tchaik 1s: Karajan/DG, and this one:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB_lKSNwZZM
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 08, 2012, 06:44:25 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 08, 2012, 06:33:08 PM
George, I posted this in Recordings You Are Considering, too:

(http://i.prs.to/t_200/supraphonsu40142.jpg)

This is Prok 1, Tchaik 1, Bach BWV1052, with Ancerl and Talich in Prague 1954.

I have one Supraphon Richter CD, the Schumann collection (Fantasie, Waldszenen, etc), are there more essentials from that label?

Actually that Schumann Supraphon is too noise reduced for my taste, so I haven't bothered to get more.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on November 08, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: George on November 08, 2012, 06:44:25 PM
Actually that Schumann Supraphon is too noise reduced for my taste, so I haven't bothered to get more.
Do you know the performances on that CD from elsewhere maybe? I can't imagine they'd be bad given who's on the stage, but was curious...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 08, 2012, 07:00:02 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 08, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Do you know the performances on that CD from elsewhere maybe? I can't imagine they'd be bad given who's on the stage, but was curious...

Yeah, the Schumann was released on another label, I forget which one.

Th Prokofiev is a great performance, I have it on an earlier Supraphon CD. The Tchaikovsky I don't know. I hope to not hear that work for a long time.  :D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on November 09, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 08, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Do you know the performances on that CD from elsewhere maybe? I can't imagine they'd be bad given who's on the stage, but was curious...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JTXGDHT8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514jvzZNzXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vzL76samL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61VtM8nWc5L._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61fYXkT5TLL.Image._AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 09, 2012, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 08, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Do you know the performances on that CD from elsewhere maybe? I can't imagine they'd be bad given who's on the stage, but was curious...

The Schumann was originally a joint Supraphon-DG venture and for some reason it was left to DG to initially release everything, probably for better western distribution (this was the Soviet-bloc era).

For decades the Schumann has been in DG's catalog and currently some of it is available as filler on the Richter Schumann PC disc (but not in totality) whereas it's available in its entirety in the Richter DG box.

Supraphon did eventually release the Schumann on the CD below (also in ccar's post above) in inferior sound than the initial DG CD (I have both). Don't know why the sound wouldn't be on par with DG's but them's the facts.

I haven't heard the latest Supraphon release of the Schumann so can't comment on that one.


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514jvzZNzXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on November 09, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Okay, I guess my original post must have been confusing. I already OWN the Schumann, I'm asking for opinions on the Tchaik/Prok/Bach concertos with Talich/Ancerl.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 09, 2012, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 09, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Okay, I guess my original post must have been confusing. I already OWN the Schumann, I'm asking for opinions on the Tchaik/Prok/Bach concertos with Talich/Ancerl.

Well, as far as the Tchaikovsky, I have it on the disc below (from 2003) and if the sound weren't so problematic for me I'd be much more enthusiastic about the performance. No doubt it's first-rate Richter/Ancerl/Tchaikovsky but the sound is just punchless. The piano sounds 'plinky' in places and the orchestra can at times sound small. Not exactly what this work needs.

Of course, hi-fi stereo was a few years in the future in 1954 so allowances have to be made.

Overall though everything is played professionally and even exquisitely. Just listen hard.

The rest of the disc incidentally is much better recorded (from ten years later) and the impact is greater.   



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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 09, 2012, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 09, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Okay, I guess my original post must have been confusing. I already OWN the Schumann, I'm asking for opinions on the Tchaik/Prok/Bach concertos with Talich/Ancerl.

As it turns out, I own the remastered Tchaik/Prok/Bach CD and the original Tchaik/Prok CD on Supraphon (pictured below.) It's scary when you realize that you own a CD that you never remember buying.  :o

I just compared them side by side and I can say that the remaster clearly has been noise reduced, dulling an already dull sounding recording. To me, this already takes it out of the running. I had forgotten that I had this CD because I only bought it to have the Bach. Because I don't like the sound, I don't think I've ever played the CD.

Since the older one: (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61fYXkT5TLL.Image._AA300_.jpg) is available on amazon new for $12.50, I'd say that's the way to go. The Bach isn't on there, but the sound is better. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 09, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: George on November 09, 2012, 07:01:34 PM
Since the older one: (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61fYXkT5TLL.Image._AA300_.jpg) is available on amazon new for $12.50, I'd say that's the way to go. The Bach isn't on there, but the sound is better. 

Are my eyes deceiving me or does that cover actually say "Digital Recording"? LOL...



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on November 09, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
Thank you very much, George! The Bach didn't interest me - I'm actually looking at it for the Prokofiev. Of course if there's a clearly superior Richter Prok 1 you can point me in its direction. :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 09, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on November 09, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Are my eyes deceiving me or does that cover actually say "Digital Recording"? LOL...

;D

On the back, it says AAD, which is probably correct.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 09, 2012, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 09, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
Thank you very much, George! The Bach didn't interest me - I'm actually looking at it for the Prokofiev. Of course if there's a clearly superior Richter Prok 1 you can point me in its direction. :)

As far as I know, that Ancerl one is "the" one to get. I recall asking about this somewhere and I was led to the Ancerl. There is one other one, with Kondrashin on Melodiya. An Amazon review reports that the Ancerl "has better sound and a superior orchestra." If there's any truth to that, the Kondashin must sound pretty poor indeed.

And wew copies of the Kondrashin are only $115 - http://www.amazon.com/Richter-Edition-Vol-Prokofiev-Rimsky-Korsakov/dp/B000001HCW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top  ;)

I'd say go with the Ancerl. Original mastering.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 09, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: George on November 09, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
;D

On the back, it says AAD, which is probably correct.

Ahh...

:)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: KeithW on November 11, 2012, 05:28:06 AM
Acclamatory review of an ICA release of a BBC recording of a 1975 Richter Beethoven recital in this week's Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/07/sviatoslav-richter-beethoven-piano-review1 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/07/sviatoslav-richter-beethoven-piano-review1)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 11, 2012, 05:36:15 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41u38UZyuIL._SL500.jpg)

They have finally released the incredible documentary "Enigma" about Richter in region 0 format (plays everywhere.) The only issue of this material I could find years ago was a DVD that wasn't right for my region. Better still, the price is dirt cheap and the transfer is better than the previous DVD, which had always seems washed out and dingy to me. Grab this one while you can! Amazon has it for under $20!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on November 11, 2012, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: George on November 09, 2012, 07:17:00 PM
As far as I know, that Ancerl one is "the" one to get. I recall asking about this somewhere and I was led to the Ancerl. There is one other one, with Kondrashin on Melodiya. An Amazon review reports that the Ancerl "has better sound and a superior orchestra." If there's any truth to that, the Kondashin must sound pretty poor indeed.


The sound quality of the Richter-Kondrashin (Melodyia/BMG) is not that bad for a 1952 recording. And personally I love the performance - both the piano and the orchestra. It is true that Ancerl and the Czechs have a fuller orchestral sound. But I really don't know if this concerto asks for it.  For me, the magic of the score, particularly in the slow "movement", is more transparent and characterful with Kondrashin.

         
                         
                                          http://www.youtube.com/v/Ljc7qvqeO1g



 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on November 11, 2012, 11:04:07 AM
Quote from: KeithW on November 11, 2012, 05:28:06 AM
Acclamatory review of an ICA release of a BBC recording of a 1975 Richter Beethoven recital in this week's Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/07/sviatoslav-richter-beethoven-piano-review1 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/07/sviatoslav-richter-beethoven-piano-review1)

Hasn't this already been released as....

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G43S5XM4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I agree that the recording of the Hammerklavier is Richter's finest!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on November 11, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Holden on November 11, 2012, 11:04:07 AM
Hasn't this already been released as....

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G43S5XM4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)



The BBC Legends comes from the 11th June 1975 Aldenburgh recital.

The ICA Classics is the 18th June 1975 Royal Festival Hall recital.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81NP%2BcwKljL._AA1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: KeithW on November 11, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: ccar on November 11, 2012, 11:25:01 AM

The BBC Legends comes from the 11th June 1975 Aldenburgh recital.

The ICA Classics is the 18th June 1975 Royal Festival Hall recital.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81NP%2BcwKljL._AA1500_.jpg)

I have the BBC Legends disc already, and the ICA is on order - due to arrive this week.  I'll post timings and impressions soon.  But as noted by ccar, they are different performances.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on November 12, 2012, 12:05:13 AM
Thanks for clarifying that. I really like the BBC Legends recording and maybe this is even better. If so it's a must have.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 12, 2012, 03:25:41 AM
Quote from: ccar on November 11, 2012, 11:25:01 AM

The BBC Legends comes from the 11th June 1975 Aldenburgh recital.

The ICA Classics is the 18th June 1975 Royal Festival Hall recital.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81NP%2BcwKljL._AA1500_.jpg)

The Praga one is from June 2, 1975. Are these three really all that different?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on November 12, 2012, 11:09:37 AM
I remember preferring the BBC Legends Hammerklavier over the Prague recording.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Kontrapunctus on November 12, 2012, 06:34:48 PM
I just ordered this remastered SACD set:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412GSQx1%2BDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on November 13, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: KeithW on November 11, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
I have the BBC Legends disc already, and the ICA is on order - due to arrive this week.  I'll post timings and impressions soon.  But as noted by ccar, they are different performances.

This is on Spotify - listening to it now.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: admiralackbar on November 23, 2012, 10:14:13 PM
Ok, so I have to ask. Does #1 have the same Appassionata recording as #2?

#1
(http://www.trovar.com/str/covers/RCA/84605.jpg)

#2
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WF-bzHW8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 24, 2012, 06:21:51 AM
Quote from: admiralackbar on November 23, 2012, 10:14:13 PM
Ok, so I have to ask. Does #1 have the same Appassionata recording as #2?

Yes. #2 is the initial CD release. #1 is a later two-fer repackaging.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Kontrapunctus on November 24, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Toccata&Fugue on November 12, 2012, 06:34:48 PM
I just ordered this remastered SACD set:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412GSQx1%2BDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

It arrived yesterday--wow! It's hard to believe that the recording is so old. It sounds much warmer than the old RCA versions and is virtually hiss-free. Richter's playing is, of course, sublime.

EDIT: It's not sublime enough and I'm not enough of a hardcore Richter fan to keep it. If anyone is interested in it, then please PM me.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: admiralackbar on November 24, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on November 24, 2012, 06:21:51 AM
Yes. #2 is the initial CD release. #1 is a later two-fer repackaging.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 26, 2012, 08:42:19 PM
New release containing the Schumann PC live from 1972. Lineup looks pretty good.



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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on November 30, 2012, 05:01:10 PM
Quote from: Toccata&Fugue on November 12, 2012, 06:34:48 PM
I just ordered this remastered SACD set:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412GSQx1%2BDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I have the Richter's set on RCA Gold Seal.  While there is no doubt S. Richter was one of the greatest pianists of the 20th century, his WTC is not quite my personal favorite ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on December 06, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
I just received this for review from MusicWeb.

(http://i.prs.to/t_200/pragadsd350063.jpg)

According to Presto,
Recorded September 24 1972 [D960], June 10 1956, June 10-11 1962. Previously available as PR254032 [1994], CDM78726/7 [1993]

The booklet does not specify which of the two years (56/62) corresponds to which piece of music, and also does not say where the recordings were made. The essay does say, very vaguely, that he often played live in Prague, without confirming that he did so in this case.

EDIT: And if any of our Richter lovers are also Michelangeli lovers, I'm in a similar pickle with a poorly-documented Praga CD containing a Ravel Gaspard recorded "live May 22, 1960, broadcasted September 15, 1960," wherever Michelangeli was in May 1960.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 06, 2012, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Brian on December 06, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
I just received this for review from MusicWeb.

(http://i.prs.to/t_200/pragadsd350063.jpg)

According to Presto,
Recorded September 24 1972 [D960], June 10 1956, June 10-11 1962. Previously available as PR254032 [1994], CDM78726/7 [1993]

The booklet does not specify which of the two years (56/62) corresponds to which piece of music, and also does not say where the recordings were made. The essay does say, very vaguely, that he often played live in Prague, without confirming that he did so in this case.

You'll find what you need here, Brian: http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/schubert.html
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on December 08, 2012, 06:30:51 AM
Still waiting to unwrap the following set ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PNbH9oLfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Obradovic on December 10, 2012, 12:37:13 PM
Does anyone know why the inexhaustible and indefatigable Svyatoslav Richter NEVER EVER attempted performing such works-pillars of the piano repertoire as Schumann's Kreisleriana, Carnaval and Davidsbündlertänze, Beethoven's 4th and Emperor Concerto, Brahms' 3rd Sonata and 1st Concerto among others? I'm sure, further to the above mentioned there are other major works he never attempted (Chopin's 2nd and 3rd Sonatas?). Puzzlingly, he was very fond of Kreisleriana (entry in his diary extolls a Neuhaus, his teacher, performance and the work itself). On the other hand I say nothing about the only Beethoven Sonata he never played, the Waldstein, because as it is well known he plainly hated it! But does anyone know what he was thinking about other major works he never played (in public at least) and recorded and why kept a distance from them? Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on December 10, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
The general consensus is that if Richter thought that someone had made a recording that was better than he could make of a particular work then he never recorded it. There are also some pieces that were in his early repertoire that he dropped for probably the same reason. On his Beethoven, I've never read anywhere that he hated the Waldstein but it could be true. There were other LvB sonatas that he never recorded (or played for that matter). These inlcude:

Op2/2, Op10/1, Op 27, Op 28, Op 31/1, Op 78, Op 79 and Op 81a.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Obradovic on December 12, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
Quote from: Holden on December 10, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
The general consensus is that if Richter thought that someone had made a recording that was better than he could make of a particular work then he never recorded it.
It sounds pretty convincing... Regarding the Liszt Sonata which one is the Great Richter Performance? The one I have in a Decca's twofer didn't thoroughly convince me, he was a bit slack IMO. I've heard good thinks about a 1966 live in Livorno. Thanks!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 10:15:08 AM
I say you should get the 1965 Carnegie Hall (i haven't heard the one on Brilliant)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Obradovic on December 12, 2012, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 10:15:08 AM
I say you should get the 1965 Carnegie Hall (i haven't heard the one on Brilliant)

Label?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 12, 2012, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: Obradovic on December 12, 2012, 10:42:05 AM
Label?

It may be on more than one. Check Trovar.com
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 11:25:15 AM
I have it on Palexa.

What's the latest recording of him playing the Liszt sonata? I have one from 1971.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Obradovic on December 12, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 11:25:15 AM
I have it on Palexa.

What's the latest recording of him playing the Liszt sonata? I have one from 1971.

Probably this is, I know that Richter played it frequently during the 60s but almost dropped it entirely later on. Unfortunately the twofer I mentioned above is in my parent's home (some 300km from where I'm writing these lines...) so I can't verify dates. And Decca's site doesn't help either: only release date is given (1991). Highly unlikely that this figure is pretty close to the recording year
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on December 12, 2012, 03:30:51 PM
From Trovar

Sonata in b, S 178

    (Carnegie Hall, New York, 1965 )
        Private Recording P-101 (LP) [ labelled Carnegie Hall, New York, 18 May 1965 ]
        Melodiya M10 47287 (LP, 1986)
        Philips 422137 (CD) [ labelled Budapest, 1960 ]
    (Moscow, 12 October 1965) on Brilliant Classics 92229/3 (CD)
    (Aldeburgh, 21 June 1966)
        Discocorp RR 454 (LP) [ labelled Budapest, 11 Feb 1958 ]
        AS Disc 342 (CD) or 345 (CD) or Historical Performers HP 26 (CD)
        Bianco e Nero BN 2433/2 (CD)
        Classica d'Oro CDO 3007 (CD 2001)
        Legend LGD 145 (CD)
        Music & Arts CD-600 (CD)
        Music & Arts CD-760 (CD) [ labelled Florence, 1971 ]
        Memories HR 4218 (CD)
        Nuova Era 013.6340 (CD)
        Seven Seas / King Records KICC 2267 (CD)
    (Livorno, 21 Nov 1966) on Philips 438620 (CD) or 446200 (CD) or 454545 (CD)

I have this along with the PCs and it sounds pretty darn good to me.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 08:53:21 PM
But Trovar is not very good here, no mention of the 1971 for example, or the Palexa. The Livorno 1966 is the least interesting of the ones I've heard in fact, though as Holden says, it sounds very good, it's well recorded.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 12, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 08:53:21 PM
But Trovar is not very good here, no mention of the 1971 for example, or the Palexa. The Livorno 1966 is the least interesting of the ones I've heard in fact, though as Holden says, it sounds very good, it's well recorded.

Which label is the 1971 performance on? If it's the old Music & Arts release it's since been discovered to actually be the 1965 Aldeburgh performance.





Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 09:15:14 PM
Ha, you got there quick. I just came to edit my entry after looking carefully at Trovar.

It's labeled as Florence 1971 and I now see Trovar says that that's a mislabeling.

I found it on a Russian torrent, which shows this cover:

(http://i1.fastpic.ru/big/2010/0113/45/3864e909244fd830158d10f310b2b645.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 12, 2012, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 12, 2012, 09:15:14 PM
Ha, you got there quick. I just came to edit my entry after looking carefully at Trovar.

The one I had in mind as 1971 may well be the same as the Livorno. It's labeled as Florence 1971 and I now see Trovar says that that's a mislabeling.  I don't like either in fact, so I rarely play them. I do remember the transfer I have sounds rougher than the Philips, I certainly had noticed that stylistically they're similar, and both different from the BBC or the Palexa.I'll listen to the alleged 1971 and the Livorno carefully tonight if I get time.

I found it on a Russian torrent, which shows this cover:

(http://i1.fastpic.ru/big/2010/0113/45/3864e909244fd830158d10f310b2b645.jpg)

That cover is the old Music & Arts release I was talking about. I've had it for years. If the file on the torrent is from this disc then it's the 1965 Aldeburgh, not the Livorno.

I've always liked the Aldebergh performance, as well as the New York performance on Palexa, too. I don't remember the Livorno being subpar, but it's been a few years since I last heard it.



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2012, 06:00:38 AM
Praga's continuing to release more Richter albums, including a couple live recordings he actually apparently authorized for release:

BEETHOVEN: Piano Sonatas
Sonata No. 27 Op.90, No. 28 Op. 101, No. 29 Op. 106 'Hammerklavier'
Svjatoslav Richter
A legendary 'Hammerklavier' from the genius of Richter; who reduced the audience to holding their collective breath, to
avoid missing the last largo evolving into an irresistible allegro risoluto.
Live recordings: June 2 1965 [No. 27]; May 18 1986 [No. 28]; June 1975 [Hammerklavier] reissued from PR254022
authorised by Richter in 1996

SCHUBERT: Piano Sonatas II
No.16 in A minor, Op.42 D845 & No.17 in D, op.53 D850
Svjatoslav Richter
A juxtaposition of the first and second Grande Sonates for pianoforte of 1825, one a melancholic, intimate effusion that
does not  smile;  the other, brimming with frothy joy close to a stylised Tyrolienne, then a refined Ländler whose
emotional invention heralds Bruckner, followed by a moderato as light as it is timeless in its innocent, inalterable gaiety. A
portrait such as only Richter the painter knew how to compose.
June 14, 1956 (D 850), consists of previously released material
by PRAGA PR254 031 (P) 1994, CDM 78726/7 (P) 1993 agreed by Svjatoslav Richter in Paris in 1993

TCHAIKOVSKY: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op.23
Symphony No. 6 'Pathétique' in B minor, Op.74
Svjatoslav Richter
Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra
Yevgeny Mravinsky
An unusual pairing of Tchaikovsky's two most popular scores by two uncontested Russian masters: the resurrection of
one Richter's rare encounters with the most Russian conductor of the 20th century, Yevgeny Mravinsky.
An indispensable account from Praga's recorded legacy over the last 20 years.
Recorded Leningrad July 24, 1958

Some pretty terrible writing in those synopses; my favorite bit is that Mravinsky was "the most Russian conductor."
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 20, 2012, 01:54:29 AM
I just found buried on my hard drive a recording of Richter in Varese in 1992 playing Brahms op 119 1 to 4. The sound is fine. I think it's very valuable because of the Op 119/4, which AFAIK is not easily available played by SR elsewhere, if available at all. I was given it ages ago by a serious Richter collector who I've lost contact with. I don't think he'd mind me sharing it privately -- PM me if you want it.

I found it buried because I've just been bowled over by Virsaladze's record of it, so I thought I'd go comparing.  I recommend the Virsaladze enthusiastically, as I do Ranki's and maybe Gieseking's too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ccar on December 20, 2012, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 20, 2012, 01:54:29 AM
I just found buried on my hard drive a recording of Richter in Varese in 1992 playing Brahms op 119 1 to 4. The sound is fine. I think it's very valuable because of the Op 119/4, which AFAIK is not easily available played by SR elsewhere, if available at all.

These are the published Op 119 SR recordings I am aware of:

Op 119 No. 1 to 4 - 1959, Moscow - Olympia; 1965, Bergamo - EMI Italy (not easily available); 1965, Kiev - TNC

Intermezzi Op 119 No.1, 2 – 1992, Kempten - LIVE CLASSICS

Intermezzo Op 119 No.3 – 1963, Leipzig - MUSIC & ARTS

Rhapsody Op 119 No.4 – 1966, Locarno - PHILIPS


If you also look for private/non-published SR recordings (not easily available):

Op 119 No. 1 to 4 - 1965, Milan; 1965, Bergamo; 1965, New York; 1965, Duszniki-Zdroj; 1992, Varese; 1992, Bolzano

Intermezzo Op 119 No.1 - 1992, Cheltenham

Intermezzo Op 119 No.3 - 1992, Cesena
 
Rhapsody Op 119 No.4 - 1992, Cesena; 1992, Birmingham; 1992, London
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 21, 2012, 08:51:34 AM
Thanks for exploring this Carlos. I certainly would like to hear one of those early op119/4s just to see how his ideas about it changed over the 35 or so years. If you see a link to any of of the recordings, especially the 1959 Moscow or the 1965 Kiev, please let me know.

Op 119 must be one of the very few cycles that Richter performed in entirity. Is  119 a cycle, with a structure which brings all four pueces together?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: KeithW on December 22, 2012, 06:55:48 AM
Quote from: Holden on December 10, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
The general consensus is that if Richter thought that someone had made a recording that was better than he could make of a particular work then he never recorded it. There are also some pieces that were in his early repertoire that he dropped for probably the same reason. On his Beethoven, I've never read anywhere that he hated the Waldstein but it could be true. There were other LvB sonatas that he never recorded (or played for that matter). These inlcude:

Op2/2, Op10/1, Op 27, Op 28, Op 31/1, Op 78, Op 79 and Op 81a.

I recall reading somewhere - can't remember where, just now - that he didn't attempt works (like Beethoven PC5 and Rachmaninov PC3) where he believed he couldn't add anything new.   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 24, 2012, 02:27:08 AM
Listening to Richter play Brahms op119 in Varese in 1992. I was really struck by how he makes it into a single work of four movements. Maybe other performances do likewise, if so I hadn't noticed so much. It's made me really rethink the opus.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: DavidA on December 25, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
Quote from: Obradovic on December 12, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
It sounds pretty convincing... Regarding the Liszt Sonata which one is the Great Richter Performance? The one I have in a Decca's twofer didn't thoroughly convince me, he was a bit slack IMO. I've heard good thinks about a 1966 live in Livorno. Thanks!

I have the Liszt sonata  on Brilliant from 1965. Tremendous performance as are the other performances in this set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Coopmv on December 29, 2012, 08:45:47 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 17, 2012, 06:00:38 AM
Praga's continuing to release more Richter albums, including a couple live recordings he actually apparently authorized for release:

BEETHOVEN: Piano Sonatas
Sonata No. 27 Op.90, No. 28 Op. 101, No. 29 Op. 106 'Hammerklavier'
Svjatoslav Richter
A legendary 'Hammerklavier' from the genius of Richter; who reduced the audience to holding their collective breath, to
avoid missing the last largo evolving into an irresistible allegro risoluto.
Live recordings: June 2 1965 [No. 27]; May 18 1986 [No. 28]; June 1975 [Hammerklavier] reissued from PR254022
authorised by Richter in 1996

SCHUBERT: Piano Sonatas II
No.16 in A minor, Op.42 D845 & No.17 in D, op.53 D850
Svjatoslav Richter
A juxtaposition of the first and second Grande Sonates for pianoforte of 1825, one a melancholic, intimate effusion that
does not  smile;  the other, brimming with frothy joy close to a stylised Tyrolienne, then a refined Ländler whose
emotional invention heralds Bruckner, followed by a moderato as light as it is timeless in its innocent, inalterable gaiety. A
portrait such as only Richter the painter knew how to compose.
June 14, 1956 (D 850), consists of previously released material
by PRAGA PR254 031 (P) 1994, CDM 78726/7 (P) 1993 agreed by Svjatoslav Richter in Paris in 1993

TCHAIKOVSKY: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op.23
Symphony No. 6 'Pathétique' in B minor, Op.74
Svjatoslav Richter
Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra
Yevgeny Mravinsky
An unusual pairing of Tchaikovsky's two most popular scores by two uncontested Russian masters: the resurrection of
one Richter's rare encounters with the most Russian conductor of the 20th century, Yevgeny Mravinsky.
An indispensable account from Praga's recorded legacy over the last 20 years.
Recorded Leningrad July 24, 1958

Some pretty terrible writing in those synopses; my favorite bit is that Mravinsky was "the most Russian conductor."

I presume these are completely different recordings from any CD's included in the Richter In Hungary set, which I have yet to unwrap ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: DavidA on December 30, 2012, 12:42:08 PM
I once booked into a Richter recital but was absolutely gutted when he cancelled at the last minute. One can hear what a recital was like from a very moderately priced disc of a recital he gave in 1967 at Spoleto. Some tremendous playing after which the audience breaks into hysteria. But who wouldn't?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: DavidA on January 09, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
I have just bought Richter's performance of Beethoven's Hammerklaview Sonata - the Festvial Hall performance, London 1975. I listened to it on the radio at the time. I was envious of my in-laws who were actually at the concert. The whole concert is on the disc. There is a simply tremendous performance of the Beethoven which must be one of the greatest ever committed to disc. Richter's control, drama, sense of line are all incredible. Unfortunately the disc does not have room for the encore he played at the time which was to repeat the final movement of the Hammerklavier. There was a lot of comment made about it at the time but it has not found its way onto this disc which is produced by ICA. But the disk remains a must have for Beethoven and Richter enthusiasts. Or simply for lovers of great piano playing.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 13, 2013, 04:07:17 AM
I was able to pick this one up

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PgnYTtk1L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

but in vinyl form from France.

Philips [ France ] 6730 007 (LP)

No cover art on trovar available. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 13, 2013, 08:12:17 AM
Finally found the exact issue I bought:

(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/35baf074f7c73f285efdcfd7c5488069/3444484.jpg)

Gatefold with only French text in the interior.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 21, 2013, 08:51:18 AM
On lp....and very nice sound.  Richter's playing is incredibly clear.  Most impressed with this pressing by Melodiya.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqN,!i8E-,Em9dZgBP0y6-t5!!~~60_35.JPG)

Follow up question to my listening:

Looks like he recorded the Franck three times with with David Oistrakh, and the Brahms twice.  Any favored recordings from these with Richter and Oistrakh?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 21, 2013, 09:42:07 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41954X1VQJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Rolling this one out on the above EMI cd.  Anyone have a different pressing they prefer?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: DavidA on January 21, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: Bogey on January 21, 2013, 09:42:07 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41954X1VQJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Rolling this one out on the above EMI cd.  Anyone have a different pressing they prefer?

The Schubert is amazing!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 21, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: DavidA on January 21, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
The Schubert is amazing!

Still on the Dvorak....Schubert for dessert. ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 21, 2013, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: DavidA on January 21, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
The Schubert is amazing!

IMO, both are.  $:)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 21, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
Quote from: George on January 21, 2013, 02:19:45 PM
IMO, both are.  $:)

Well, the Schubert did outshine the PC, but I believe that had to do with the composition rather than the playing.  Richter was fabulous on both.  The sound of the orchestra was a bit muddy, but I have come to expect that with PC's.  He does have a light touch, but he is definitely not a shrinking violet when it comes to hitting the key with force when he needs to.   8)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 22, 2013, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Bogey on January 21, 2013, 08:51:18 AM


Looks like he recorded the Franck three times with with David Oistrakh, and the Brahms twice.  Any favored recordings from these with Richter and Oistrakh?

I do hope someone will answer this question. Ccar, where are you?

(I only know the Brahms from 29 March 1972 and the Franck from  3 March 1966)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 22, 2013, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 22, 2013, 10:04:36 AM
I do hope someone will answer this question. Ccar, where are you?

(I only know the Brahms from 29 March 1972 and the Franck from  3 March 1966)


Well, we have four out the five covered, as I have (on the same lp).

Franck
Sonata for Violin in A
with David Oistrakh (Moscow, 28 Dec 1968)
Melodiya/Angel 40121 (LP)

Brahms
Sonata for Violin no. 3 in d, opus 108, with Oistrakh
(Moscow, 28 December 1968)
Melodiya/Angel 40121 (LP 1970)

Looks like we are missing:

the Franck with David Oistrakh (Paris, 4 Dec 1968) on Le Chant du Monde LDC 278 885 (CD)

What are the source of your recordings?

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 22, 2013, 02:55:31 PM
Is this the only place to find the Paris recording?

http://www.amazon.com/Concert-Paris-Dec-1968-Beethoven/dp/B001RASK7C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358898864&sr=8-1&keywords=Franck+with+David+Oistrakh+richter+Le+Chant+du+Monde
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 22, 2013, 05:29:00 PM
The op.108 is here, too, Bill, and I think it's the same recording you linked to. But I've struck out trying to find it on the Amazons.




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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 22, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on January 22, 2013, 05:29:00 PM
The op.108 is here, too, Bill, and I think it's the same recording you linked to. But I've struck out trying to find it on the Amazons.




[asin]B000Y980UE[/asin]

Thanks Don  for the foot work.  Now it becomes more of a quest. ;D
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 22, 2013, 06:54:53 PM
Uh-oh:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Edition-David-Oistrakh-Vol-1-Brahms-Sonates-Pour-Violin-Piano-LDC-278881-/120998330485?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL&hash=item1c2c100075
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on January 22, 2013, 06:58:21 PM
Could this be Paris?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/David-OISTRAKH-Richter-BRAHMS-and-FRANCK-Violin-Sonatas-MELODIYA-OISTRACH-/160888631317?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2575b5b015
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on April 12, 2013, 02:48:31 PM
Just heard this on Spotify. Recordings claim to be live from Moscow and Hungary circa 1958 - 61. Sounds quite good but can't find detailed information as they were only released about a month ago. I am assuming that this is re-released material but to hear Richter doing these live is wonderful.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61BeYu6M8yL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)


http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Treasures-Composer-Series-Beethoven/dp/B00BTLV3L4
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 14, 2013, 04:42:25 PM
Quote from: Brian on December 06, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
I just received this for review from MusicWeb.

(http://i.prs.to/t_200/pragadsd350063.jpg)

According to Presto,
Recorded September 24 1972 [D960], June 10 1956, June 10-11 1962. Previously available as PR254032 [1994], CDM78726/7 [1993]

The booklet does not specify which of the two years (56/62) corresponds to which piece of music, and also does not say where the recordings were made. The essay does say, very vaguely, that he often played live in Prague, without confirming that he did so in this case.

Have you or anyone else compared the sound on this SACD to the older Praga issues of the same material?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 31, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
Saw this great quote today and wanted to share it:

QuoteEveryone was talking about Richter. Well, I thought, maybe I should listen to this Richter. So I went to one of his concerts. He didn't play badly at all: he was a good craftsman, everything was professionally done. But it really wasn't anything out of the ordinary. Then at some point I noticed my eyes growing moist: tears began rolling down my cheeks, and my heart grew all constricted.

- Arthur Rubinstein
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on February 02, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: George on January 31, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
Saw this great quote today and wanted to share it:

Good 'un, buddy.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mookalafalas on February 12, 2014, 06:23:53 AM
Hi, I just got this set and am a little confused about it.
[asin]B00GYHSYW4[/asin]

   I'm a pretty recent Richter convert, partly as a result of reading through this thread.  I picked up the box above, and if anyone else has it, perhaps they could help me understand the material a bit more?
    Most of the material is 8os and 90s.  However, a half dozen or so of the discs are from the 50s and early 60s, and most (but not all) of those are listed as having been recorded for DG.  Now DG has their box of 9 SR discs, which is supposed to be all their stuff ("Complete DG Recordings"), and yet a quick comparison shows most of these are different recordings or different dates...and it would seem a bit weird (to me anyway) if Decca would just cannibalize most of the DG box....
    Also, is the most of the other material here a re-release of Decca's "The Master" series? If anyone could shed any light on these questions for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 12, 2014, 06:26:58 AM
Quote from: Baklavaboy on February 12, 2014, 06:23:53 AM
Hi, I just got this set and am a little confused about it.
[asin]B00GYHSYW4[/asin]

   I'm a pretty recent Richter convert, partly as a result of reading through this thread.  I picked up the box above, and if anyone else has it, perhaps they could help me understand the material a bit more?
    Most of the material is 8os and 90s.  However, a half dozen or so of the discs are from the 50s and early 60s, and most (but not all) of those are listed as having been recorded for DG.  Now DG has their box of 9 SR discs, which is supposed to be all their stuff ("Complete DG Recordings"), and yet a quick comparison shows most of these are different recordings or different dates...and it would seem a bit weird (to me anyway) if Decca would just cannibalize most of the DG box....
    Also, is the most of the other material here a re-release of Decca's "The Master" series? If anyone could shed any light on these questions for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

If you can be specific about it's contents, we can confirm.

I assume it's the Master CDs plus the DG box.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mookalafalas on February 12, 2014, 07:18:28 AM
First of all, I took that link from the UK amazon, but somehow it redirects to the US one, and the price is about 250% higher!

  This link gives the composer info, but not the dates. I will try to find a better source:
http://www.universalmusic.it/classica/news/newsdet.php?idn=5432 (http://www.universalmusic.it/classica/news/newsdet.php?idn=5432)

Here is the UK amazon link. Just 48 Pounds, and that's before subtracting the VAT tax if you are out of the EU area...for 33 discs, a very nice price, IMO
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solo-Recordings-Richter-S/dp/B00GYHSYW4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392221386&sr=8-1&keywords=richter+solo+recordings (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solo-Recordings-Richter-S/dp/B00GYHSYW4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392221386&sr=8-1&keywords=richter+solo+recordings)

OK, here's the content, but again, without dates, so may not be that useful:
BACH
English Suites No. 3-6
French Suites No. 2-6
Toccatas BWV 913, 916
Fantasia BWV 906
Italian Concerto BWV 971
French Overture BWV 831
Duetto I-IV BWV 802, BWV 803- 805

BEETHOVEN
Sonatas No. 9, 11, 12, 18-20, 22, 23, 27, 28, 30-32
Variazioni su un tema di Diabelli

BRAHMS
Sonatas Nos. 1, 2
Variations on a Theme by Paganini
Fantasien, Op. 116
Klavierstücke, Op. 76, 118, 119

CHOPIN
Études from Op. 10, 25
Polonaises Nos. 1, 4
Préludes from Op. 28
Barcarolle Op. 60
Nocturne No.4 Op. 15 No. 1
Polonaise-Fantaisie
Ballade No. 4 Op. 52

LISZT
Valse oubliée No. 1, 2
Sonata S. 178
Polonaise No. 2 S. 223 No. 2
Scherzo S. 153
Trübe Wolken, S. 199
Consolation, S. 172 No. 6
Hungarian Rhapsody S. 242 No. 17
Klavierstück S. 193
Mephisto Polka, S. 217
Études d'exécution transcendante, S. 139
From Études de concert, S. 144, 145

HAYDN
Sonatas Hob. XVI:44, 40, 41, 48, 52, 32, 24, 46, 2, 24, 52

WEBER
Sonata n. 3

MOZART
Sonata KV 457, K. 282, 545 "Sonata facile", K. 310
Sonata in F, KV 280
Fantasia KV 475
Sonata KV 457, K. 282, 545 "Sonata facile", K. 310

SHOSTAKOVICH
24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87

24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87

SCHUBERT
Sonata D. 894, 575, 840
Moment musical D 780 No. 1
Impromptu D 899 No. 2, 4
Allegretto D 915
From 17 Ländler, D 366
Allegretto D 915

SCHUMANN
March Op. 76 No. 2
Waldszenen Op. 82
Fantasiestücke, Op. 12
Novellette Op. 21 No. 1
Toccata Op. 7
4 Fugues, Op. 72
March Op. 76 No. 2
Blumenstück, Op. 19
Nachtstücke, Op. 23
Theme and Variations on the name Abegg, Op. 1
Theme: Animato – Var. I-III
Fantasia, Op. 17
Concert Studies on Caprices by Paganini

SCRIABIN
Poème-Nocturne, Op. 61
2 Danses, Op. 73
Vers la flamme, Op. 72
Fantasy, Op. 28
Piano Sonata No. 5

PROKOFIEV
Sonata No. 2, 4, 6, 8
Légende, Op. 12 No. 6
Visions fugitives, Op. 22
From Four Pieces, Op. 32
Pieces from Cinderella

HAYDN
Piano Sonata Hob. XVI:44

CHOPIN
3 Ballades No. 3

DEBUSSY
From Préludes pour piano
Estampes

RACHMANINOV
Prelude No. 23 Op. 32 No. 12
23 Preludes Op. 32 No. 13
6 Preludes

STRAVINSKY
Piano-Rag-Music

SHOSTAKOVICH
Prelude & Fugue

WEBERN
Variations, Op. 27

BARTÓK
3 Burlesques

SZYMANOWSKI
From Metopes, Op. 29

HINDEMITH
Suite "1922"

MUSSORGSKY
Pictures at an exhibition

    It is 12:30AM here in Taiwan, so I am going to bed. I have the box, with all the info. I can put up more later. Possibly the data was just put in sloppily--several things from the 50s and 60s are listed as DDD, which obviously is not correct...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Cosi bel do on February 12, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
I've got this set. It contains all DG solo recordings + all Decca "Richter the Master" edition, but it lacks a few other Philips recordings. Alas.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on February 12, 2014, 09:57:25 AM
Quote from: Baklavaboy on February 12, 2014, 06:23:53 AM
it would seem a bit weird (to me anyway) if Decca would just cannibalize most of the DG box....

The DG "Pianist of the Century" box has 4 discs of solo material. Each disc is a reproduction of the original LP, so the solo material is really 3 CDs' worth in a set that fills up each disc. The other 5 DG discs are with orchestra and therefore not in the Decca "Solo Recordings" box.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 12, 2014, 05:41:21 PM
Quote from: Baklavaboy on February 12, 2014, 06:23:53 AM
Hi, I just got this set and am a little confused about it.

   I'm a pretty recent Richter convert, partly as a result of reading through this thread.  I picked up the box above, and if anyone else has it, perhaps they could help me understand the material a bit more?
    Most of the material is 8os and 90s.  However, a half dozen or so of the discs are from the 50s and early 60s, and most (but not all) of those are listed as having been recorded for DG.  Now DG has their box of 9 SR discs, which is supposed to be all their stuff ("Complete DG Recordings"), and yet a quick comparison shows most of these are different recordings or different dates...and it would seem a bit weird (to me anyway) if Decca would just cannibalize most of the DG box....
    Also, is the most of the other material here a re-release of Decca's "The Master" series? If anyone could shed any light on these questions for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

It appears to be a mix of everything from UMG, from the earliest DG recordings to the later Philips and Decca recordings. The solo stuff anyway.

There's even some Decca in this box which hasn't been reissued since its initial release. It was a six-disc mini-edition that was almost contemporaneous with Philips's Authorized Edition (but predated it a tad). It even overlapped repertoire with Philips's AE in that the two Brahms sonatas were present in both Editions (though different performances of course). Both Editions' Brahms sonatas are in this box. Even a few of the Schumann pieces overlapped.



[asin]B00000E54P[/asin]

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mookalafalas on February 12, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
thanks for the information, guys. That's all really helpful. I went back and rechecked some of the stuff I had thought didn't sync up in my comparisons last night, and it turns out the problem is just that I was a careless idiot.  The discs are in no obvious order, either in terms of dates or content, and the discs contents and recording material data (dates, locations, etc) are in different places in the booklet. You have to be careful when doing comparisons, but I wasn't. Sorry to ask you for info I should have been able to find by myself. 
   All that said, for someone starting out pretty fresh, it's a very nice box, especially for that cheap UK price.  I've just been playing the historical stuff so far, and I feel like a very lucky man to have this 8).  Hopefully I'll agree with Mandryka with regards to the later recordings ("more controlled...but intense" rather than some comments I've seen other places ("Spotty...old and tired" etc.). 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on March 26, 2014, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 25, 2014, 09:47:29 PM
December 18, 1960. New York. Philharmonic Hall. Leonard Bernstein, New York Philharmonic.
Liszt: Concerto No. 2 in A;
Tchaikovsky: Concerto No. 1 in b flat minor. (http://www.trovar.com/str/dates/a1960.html)

Thanks -- I hadn't yet found that section of trovar.com. A further google located this blog post quoting Nathan Milstein (http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2010/10/critic-by-nathan-milstein.html).

That concert doesn't seem to get much discussion, and the photo suggests that the rehearsals did not go well. So I'm not shocked by the criticism of that particular performance. I can't agree that Richter was "not at all a passionate pianist" though. I'll listen to Jeux d'eau this afternoon.

I also found this quote (http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2011/02/leonard-bernstein-quote.html) from Bernstein about Richter.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on March 26, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: Pat B on March 26, 2014, 08:36:48 AM
Thanks -- I hadn't yet found that section of trovar.com. A further google located this blog post quoting Nathan Milstein (http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2010/10/critic-by-nathan-milstein.html).

That concert doesn't seem to get much discussion, and the photo suggests that the rehearsals did not go well. So I'm not shocked by the criticism of that particular performance. I can't agree that Richter was "not at all a passionate pianist" though. I'll listen to Jeux d'eau this afternoon.

I also found this quote (http://sviatoslavrichter.blogspot.com/2011/02/leonard-bernstein-quote.html) from Bernstein about Richter.

Great quote!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pim on March 27, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
There is so much of Richter, in various combinations and editions, that perhaps I'm allowed to ask a newbie type of question.
What combination of boxes would make for a good overall collection of Richter without a lot of duplication?
Or, alternatively, what are the absolutely essential recordings (say top 10) to get?
Thanks
Pim
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on March 27, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: Pim on March 27, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
There is so much of Richter, in various combinations and editions, that perhaps I'm allowed to ask a newbie type of question.
What combination of boxes would make for a good overall collection of Richter without a lot of duplication?
Or, alternatively, what are the absolutely essential recordings (say top 10) to get?
Thanks
Pim

I say the EMI and the DG boxes.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on March 27, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
What about Richter in Prague?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Octave on March 27, 2014, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: Holden on March 27, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
What about Richter in Prague?

We are praying for this one to return to affordable print.

Pim, there's no way I can weigh in as a Richter authority, but to supplement the EMI/DG recommendations, there are several discs on the associated Regis/Alto/Musical Concepts labels that would probably be great to have, and are frequently cheap.  A few discs of Schubert, a disc of Schumann.  Maybe the Rachmaninov disc too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on March 27, 2014, 11:15:08 PM
Like Octave I can't claim to be an authority, but I would suggest these:

[asin]B00005OLD9[/asin]Richter "Rediscovered" - the current new price is high but those used prices are great

[asin]B009RXGC08[/asin]Bach, Beethoven, Schumann, and more on Melodiya

Fair warning: all of the above are live recordings from the 1950s and 1960s. The sound quality is not up to modern standards. But it's good enough for me, with these performances.

The EMI (now Warner) and DG sets are both great values and have good sound by Richter standards, but I think the performances I mentioned are more outstanding. The Melodiya Beethoven disc (also available separately) is the one that really hooked me.

There are different ways to do it but I'm trying to keep it simple. ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 28, 2014, 06:16:07 PM
Quote from: Pim on March 27, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
Or, alternatively, what are the absolutely essential recordings (say top 10) to get?

Top ten...that's a tough one but my list might look something like this, in no particular order:


1. Schumann Symphonic Etudes (Olympia/Alto)
2. Prokofiev sixth sonata on the RCA "Rediscovered" disc posted above
3. Liszt selections (Praga, although I don't think this has been reissued yet)
4. Schumann concerto (DG)
5. Schubert sonata D.840 'Unfinished' (Monitor)
6. Various solo Rachmaninov scattered all over (Olympia/Alto, Praga, DG, BBC Legends)
7. Beethoven sonata Op.111 (Brilliant, although the Music & Arts issue has better sound but it's long OOP)
8. Scriabin (Praga, DG, Parnassus)
9. Shostakovich Op.87 selections (Philips/Decca and Supraphon)
10. Mozart sonata K.310 (Philips/Decca)

Not all these are in print but most are.

Here's an image of the Schubert D.840 I mentioned (not in print):


(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/996/MI0000996534.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)


And the Music & Arts Beethoven Op.111:



(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/53/3d/3dbca2c008a0eb7be1d6a010.L.jpg)

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on March 29, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
A top ten (?) of sorts from my perspective

any of his Rachmaninov - he is peerless in this repertoire

Richter in Leipzig (late LvB)

Live in Tokyo Schubert D784 D899

Live in Moscow 1959 LvB 8 $ 23

His Haydn sonatas

Schubert Wanderer Fantasy w Dvorak PC

Any of his Debussy

Chopin Scherzi

Prokofiev Sonatas

......and finally the recording of his I listen to most, the WTC (I prefer the RCA version).

There are many others but these were the ones that came to mind as I read your post.

I'd like to suggest that you get hold of Bruno Monsaignon's excellent Richter bio on DVD "Richter the Enigma". You'll hear a lot of his playing that might give you some more ideas.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on March 29, 2014, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Holden on March 29, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
Live in Moscow 1959 LvB 8 $ 23

FTR this is included in the Melodiya set I mentioned. One way or another, anybody who collects Richter should have this disc (it also has some bagatelles and the Choral Fantasy sung in Russian).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on March 30, 2014, 03:45:50 AM
Here's 10  Richter recordings I remember enjoying a lot

Ravel Trio with kagan
Beethoven and Mozart Violin sonatas with Kagan
Winterreise with Schreier
Schumann Marchenbilder with Bashmet
Beethoven Op 14s on BBC Legends
Hindermith Suite 1922 (Philips)
Homage a Rameau in Hungary box
Ravel Valses in Hungary Box
Mozart K310 on Philips (late London recital)
Chopin Mazurkas (BBC Legends)



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 26, 2014, 04:57:45 AM
Anyone know how much of this has been released before?

(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/E/MELCD1002231.jpg)

Richter Plays Schubert

CD 1
Sonata No. 6 in E minor, D. 566
1 I. Moderato – 7.19
2 II. Allegretto – 6.55
3 III. Scherzo. Allegro vivace – 5.45
4 IV. Rondo, D. 506 – 5.27
Sonata No. 11 in F minor, D. 625
5 I. Allegro – 6.46
6 II. Scherzo. Allegretto – 4.32
7 III. Adagio, D. 505 – 4.03
8 IV. Allegro – 6.03
Sonata No. 13 in A major, D. 664
9 I. Allegro moderato – 11.42
10 II. Andante – 5.48
11 III. Allegro – 6.39

Recorded at the Grand Hall of the Moscow Conservatory on October 18, 1978

CD 2
Sonata No. 18 in G major, D. 894
1 I. Molto moderato e cantabile – 25.27
2 II. Andante – 7.24
3 III. Menuetto. Allegro moderato – 4.06
4 IV. Allegretto – 13.20
Sonata No. 6 in E minor, D. 566
5 I. Moderato – 7.03
6 II. Scherzo. Allegro vivace – 5.38
7 III. Allegretto – 7.27

Recorded at the Grand Hall
of the Moscow Conservatory on May 2, 1978

CD 3
Sonata No. 9 in B major, D. 575
1 I. Allegro ma non troppo – 8.26
2 II. Andante – 5.28
3 III. Scherzo. Allegretto – 6.03
4 IV. Allegro giusto – 4.43
Sonata No. 19 in C minor, D. 958
5 I. Allegro – 11.32
6 II. Adagio – 8.22
7 III. Menuetto. Allegro – 3.37
8 IV. Allegro – 8.48

Recorded at the Grand Hall of the Moscow
Conservatory on June 8, 1979 (1–4), October 6, 1971 (5–8)

CD 4
1 Scherzo No. 2 in D flat major, D. 593 – 6.05
2 Andante in A major, D. 604 – 4.46
3 4 Landlers from D. 366 in the order: D. 366/1 A major – D. 366/3 A minor – D. 366/5 A minor – D. 366/4 A minor – D. 366/5 – D. 366/4 – D. 366/1 – 5.36
4 Allegretto in C minor, D. 915 – 7.16
Moments musicaux, D. 780
5 No. 1 Moderato, C major – 5.38
6 No. 3 Allegro moderato, F minor – 2.04
7 No. 6 Allegretto, A flat major – 12.00
8 2 Ecossaises from D. 734 and 4 Ecossaises from
D. 421 in the order: D. 734/1 A minor – D. 734/2
A major – D. 734/1 – D. 734/2 – D. 421/1 A flat major –
D. 421/3 E flat major – D. 421/1 – D. 421/2 А flat major – D. 421/1 – D. 421/6 A flat major – 2.54
9 2 German Dances from D. 790 in the order: D. 790/8
A flat minor – D. 790/11 А flat major – D. 790/8 – 2.58
10 Impromptu in G flat major, D. 899/3 – 7.02
11 March in E major, D. 606 – 4.47
12 Impromptu in E flat major, D. 899/2 – 4.39
13 Impromptu in A flat major, D. 899/4 – 7.43

Recorded at the Grand Hall of the Moscow Conservatory on May 2, 1978 (1–7), October 18, 1978 (8–10), May 3, 1978 (11–13)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on April 26, 2014, 06:22:48 AM
What's the label, George?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 26, 2014, 07:00:24 AM
Quote from: Bogey on April 26, 2014, 06:22:48 AM
What's the label, George?

Melodiya
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on April 26, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: George on April 26, 2014, 04:57:45 AM
Anyone know how much of this has been released before?

Richter Plays Schubert

I looked that over when I posted it in the New Releases thread. Most or all of it is previously unreleased, based on the trovar.com Richter discography.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 26, 2014, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: Pat B on April 26, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
I looked that over when I posted it in the New Releases thread. Most or all of it is previously unreleased, based on the trovar.com Richter discography.

That's great news, however, Trovar is not up to date.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 06, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/E/MELCD1002231.jpg)

This just arrived!!

From Presto Classical, 4CD set on sale for $28.60

It has the usual flimsy Melodiya outer box, but the booklet is nice and the individual sleeves are cool. The sound seems fine and I definitely hear some tape hiss. Now enjoying CD 1, which has D. 566, 625 and 664.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Octave on May 18, 2014, 12:32:40 AM
A recent issue (April 2014).  I still haven't checked up on the dates etc to see how many of this I've heard.  If anyone know how recommended these come (and how are the transfers?), it would be nice to know.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eTD76-UBL._SX300_.jpg)
THE ART OF SVIATOSLAV RICHTER (Regis, 6cd)
ASIN: B00J49H3VM   (not yet listed at Amazon US?)
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Regis/RRC6011 (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Regis/RRC6011)

Also apparently no listing at the Regis website.   :blank:

Contents from Presto:

QuoteBeethoven:
Piano Sonata No. 8 in C minor, Op. 13 'Pathetique'
Piano Sonata No. 17 in D minor, Op. 31 No. 2 'Tempest'
Piano Sonata No. 23 in F minor, Op. 57 'Appassionata'
Piano Sonata No. 3 in C major, Op. 2 No. 3
Piano Sonata No. 9 in E major, Op. 14 No. 1
Piano Sonata No. 12 in A flat major, Op. 26 'March Funebre'
Piano Sonata No. 22 in F major, Op. 54
Bagatelle in F, Op. 33 No. 3
Bagatelle in C Major, Op. 33, No. 5
Bagatelles (11), Op. 119: No. 2 in C major
Bagatelles (11), Op. 119: No. 7 in C major
Bagatelles (11), Op. 119: No. 9 in A minor
Bagatelles (6), Op. 126: No. 1
Bagatelles (6), Op. 126: No. 4
Bagatelles (6), Op. 126: No. 6 in E flat major
Piano Sonata No. 23 in F minor, Op. 57 'Appassionata'

Chopin:
Ballade No. 3 in A flat major, Op. 47

Debussy:
Préludes - Book 1: No. 2, Voiles
Préludes - Book 1: No. 3, Le vent dans la plaine

Haydn:
Piano Sonata No. 32 in G minor, Hob.XVI:44

Mussorgsky:
Pictures at an Exhibition (piano version)

Prokofiev:
Piano Sonata No. 8 in B flat major, Op. 84

Piano Sonata No. 7 in B flat major, Op. 83
Piano Concerto No. 1 in D flat major, Op. 10
    Prague Symphony Orchestra, Karel Ancerl

Rachmaninov:
Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18
   Recorded in 1959
   Sinfonie-Orchester der Nationalen Philharmonie Warschau, Stanislaw Wislocki

Schubert:
Piano Sonata No. 16 in A minor, D845
Moments Musicaux, D780: No. 1 in C
Impromptu in E flat major, D899 No. 2
Impromptu in A flat major, D899 No. 4

Tchaikovsky:
Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op. 23
   Recorded in 1962
   Wiener Symphoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on May 18, 2014, 02:26:03 AM
I have two recordings of Richter playing Webern's op 27 variations, a commercial one from Vienna in 1989, published by Philips, and the other unreleased from Bologna in 1989. Does anyone have any others?

For what it's worth I think he goes vey deep into this music.

More generally, what is the Russian tradition in performing serial music? As far as I recall there's nothing from Neuhaus, Feinberg, Yudina, Sofronitsky, Gilels, Vedernikov, Grinberg. You would have thought that Gould would have inspired, them to explore this type of music. He played the Webern Vriations in Moscow in 1957, the recording was released by Melodyia.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 18, 2014, 08:08:07 AM
Quote from: Octave on May 18, 2014, 12:32:40 AM
A recent issue (April 2014).  I still haven't checked up on the dates etc to see how many of this I've heard.  If anyone know how recommended these come (and how are the transfers?), it would be nice to know.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eTD76-UBL._SX300_.jpg)
THE ART OF SVIATOSLAV RICHTER (Regis, 6cd)
ASIN: B00J49H3VM   (not yet listed at Amazon US?)
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Regis/RRC6011 (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Regis/RRC6011)


Just glancing at the track listing the box looks like a hodgepodge from different labels. The giveaway to me are these three listings:


QuoteTchaikovsky:
Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op. 23
   Recorded in 1962
   Wiener Symphoniker, Herbert von Karajan

Rachmaninov:
Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18
   Recorded in 1959
   Sinfonie-Orchester der Nationalen Philharmonie Warschau, Stanislaw Wislocki

Prokofiev
Piano Concerto No. 1 in D flat major, Op. 10
    Prague Symphony Orchestra, Karel Ancerl


Both the Tchaikovsky 1 and Rach 2 are the long-familiar DG recordings and the Prokofiev 1 is from Supraphon. Looks like Regis might be dipping into the copyright expiration business.   

Hard to say about transfers - the Richter-verse is rife with the good, the bad, and everything in between.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 18, 2014, 10:20:27 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on May 18, 2014, 08:08:07 AM
Hard to say about transfers - the Richter-verse is rife with the good, the bad, and everything in between.

In the past, Regis has tended to just duplicate the most recent mastering.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Moonfish on May 18, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
The Richterverse seems somewhat difficult to navigate considering the large number of recordings.  I guess one needs to consider how many Richter recordings that is "enough", but I doubt that GMGers go there, right? There is always room for more of Richter! Right? Right......?    :P
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Ken B on May 18, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on May 18, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
The Richterverse seems somewhat difficult to navigate considering the large number of recordings.  I guess one needs to consider how many Richter recordings that is "enough", but I doubt that GMGers go there, right? There is always room for more of Richter! Right? Right......?    :P
I have almost no Richter at all. So I am interested in a good, cheap, nearly all stereo box.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 18, 2014, 05:16:55 PM
Quote from: George on May 18, 2014, 10:20:27 AM
In the past, Regis has tended to just duplicate the most recent mastering.

That's a good way to start, then, I suppose.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 18, 2014, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on May 18, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
The Richterverse seems somewhat difficult to navigate considering the large number of recordings.  I guess one needs to consider how many Richter recordings that is "enough", but I doubt that GMGers go there, right? There is always room for more of Richter! Right? Right......?    :P

Yeah, I used to think that. But I'm at the point now where duplication of repertoire is an issue for me. I mean, I love Richter's pianism but I don't go out of my way to buy multiples of any one piece by him, although there's no real way to avoid that much of the time if you're somewhat of a completist like me.

I have ended up with six recordings of Prokofiev's sixth sonata but all but one of them were couplings to other recordings I wanted so they were just tag-alongs. I swear....


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Moonfish on May 18, 2014, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on May 18, 2014, 05:29:17 PM
Yeah, I used to think that. But I'm at the point now where duplication of repertoire is an issue for me. I mean, I love Richter's pianism but I don't go out of my way to buy multiples of any one piece by him, although there's no real way to avoid that much of the time if you're somewhat of a completist like me.

I have ended up with six recordings of Prokofiev's sixth sonata but all but one of them were couplings to other recordings I wanted so they were just tag-alongs. I swear....

Sure... sure...  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 18, 2014, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on May 18, 2014, 05:46:48 PM
Sure... sure...  ;) ;) ;)

Denial is just a river in Egypt...


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on August 09, 2014, 07:05:45 AM
(http://rymimg.com/lk/f/l/b2ec3daa3c060b13ddf48926495fa2c4/2279025.jpg)

This is new to me and is something I particularly value because of the Beethoven op 10/2. According to Trovar it was taken from a 1980 performance, and the only earlier recording predates it by a fortnight. I've not had a chance to check if he only started to play it after his heart trouble. Anyway it suits me fine because I think late Richter is more insightful and interesting to hear than the earlier virtuosic Richter (NB I'm not interested in middle period Beethoven - I'm sure people who like that music will NOT like the op 31/2 on this CD.)

I've always had trouble finding performances of op 10/2 which work for me. I used to listen to Kovacevich and Gulda and Gould, until someone on this site put me on to the wonderful one from Grinberg. Now this performance from SvR joins Grinberg's at the top of the pile.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on August 09, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Looks like Richter had the same repertoire for both recitals - Polling in Germany and the Salle Pleyel in France. Can we assume that he used a Pleyel piano?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on August 18, 2014, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Holden on August 09, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Can we assume that he used a Pleyel piano?

No, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on August 19, 2014, 05:59:40 AM
(http://img.hmv.co.jp/image/jacket/400/53/7/4/337.jpg)

The above box has been released by the label Venezia.

Some discussion here. (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.music.classical.recordings/Venezia$20Richter/rec.music.classical.recordings/FsR63lCDvbo/YcrU9-lSDpIJ)

More info (I wonder if I have any of this already on Melodiya or Brilliant Classics):

Disc1
Beethoven:
· Op.2-1 Piano Sonata No. 1 in F minor
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, October 10,
1976

· Op.2-3 Piano Sonata No. 3 in C major
Recorded live at Leningrad June 1960

· Op.7 No. 4 in E flat major Piano Sonata
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, January 12,
1975

Disc2

Piano Sonata No. 6 in F major, op.10-2
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, December 20,
1980

· Op.10-3 Piano Sonata No. 7 in D major
Recorded live at Leningrad June 1960

· "Pathetique" op.13 Piano Sonata No. 8 in C minor
Recording studio in Moscow, June 04, 1959

Disc3

· Op.14-1 Piano Sonata No. 9 in E major
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, June 05, 1947

No. 10 in G major, op.14-2 - Piano Sonatas
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, November 29,
1962

· A flat major op.26 Piano Sonata No. 12 funny
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, 1961

Disc4

· Op.31-2 "Tempest" Piano Sonata No. 17 in D minor
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, October 10,
1965

· Op.31-3 in E flat major Piano Sonata No. 18
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory recorded
October 10, 1965

· No. 19 in G minor, op.49-1 Piano Sonata
Recorded live at Leningrad January 1965

Disc5

· Op.54 Piano Sonata No. 22 in F major
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, January 17,
1951

- "Passion" op.57 Piano Sonata No. 23 in F minor
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, June 09, 1960

· Op.90 Piano Sonata No. 27 in E minor
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, January 10,
1965

Disc6

No. 28 - Piano Sonata in A major op.101
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, October 10,
1965

· Op.110 Piano Sonata No. 30 in E flat major
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, January 22,
1972

· A major op.110 Piano Sonata No. 31 funny
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, October 10,
1965

Disc7

· Op.111 Piano Sonata No. 32 in C minor
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, January 12,
1975

Gallery and Bagatelles (8 songs)
In F major, op.33-3
C major op.33-5
C major op.119-2
C major op.119-7
A minor op.119-9
G major op.126-1
B minor op.126-4
In E flat major, op.126-6
Recording studios in Moscow on July 6, 1959

· Op.35 in E flat major Eroica Variations
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, January 17,
1951

Disc8

· Op.37 Piano Concerto No. 3 in C minor
Ah vent conductor Hermann Roth, National Symphony Orchestra of the
USSR
Recorded live at the Great Hall of Moscow Conservatory, October 25,
1954

Choral Fantasy in C minor · op.80
Conductor Kurt Sanderling, Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra
Recording studios in Moscow February 23, 1952
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on November 02, 2014, 07:11:57 PM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/AHIR_042__100353__09242014031701-9023.jpg)

   
      Fantasia in D Major, D760 ("Wanderer")
      1. Allegro con fuoco ma non troppo-Adagio-Preso-Allegro
      
Side Two:
      Sonata in A Major, D664
      1. Allegro moderato
      2. Andante
      3. Allegro

How's the performance here?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on November 02, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
IMO, no one plays Schubert better than Richter.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on November 02, 2014, 08:14:16 PM
Noticed this on Amazon.  US release date Nov. 11
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/719utoEe3sL._SX522_.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Moonfish on November 07, 2014, 07:15:56 AM
More Richter coming from Sony:   :o
(Jan 19, 2015 - in the UK)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sviatoslav-Richter-Complete-Album-Collection/dp/B00NFLVFFK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sviatoslav-Richter-Complete-Album-Collection/dp/B00NFLVFFK)


[asin] B00NFLVFFK[/asin]
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 05, 2014, 08:03:58 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/610pfWBpDmL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

This tracklist for this  recording says it contains Sv. Richter and Anatoli Kamyshev playing the Brahms Clarinet sonata, op 120/1. There is evidence that he played this sonata in 1978. The touch, and the overall interpretation, have convinced me that I am indeed listening to the maestro. This excellent discography lists the performance as a private tape.

http://www.doremi.com/Recorded%20Richter.html

Essential to hear. Another outstanding release in what has been the best year for new releases I have ever experienced.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Purusha on December 06, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
I was wondering if anybody could recommend some of his studio recordings, particularly those made around the late 50s or 60s. The vast majority of the recordings i own appear to be live and i'm sort of curious about his studio efforts.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 06, 2014, 05:19:47 PM
Quote from: Purusha on December 06, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
I was wondering if anybody could recommend some of his studio recordings, particularly those made around the late 50s or 60s. The vast majority of the recordings i own appear to be live

As M Forever used to say, You have chosen wisely.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 06, 2014, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: Purusha on December 06, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
I was wondering if anybody could recommend some of his studio recordings, particularly those made around the late 50s or 60s. The vast majority of the recordings i own appear to be live and i'm sort of curious about his studio efforts.

The late 50s and 60s were when he recorded most of his studio concerto recordings, so that might be a good place to start. On DG there are concertos by Rachmaninov (2nd), Schumann, and Prokofiev (5th). On Philips there are both of Liszt's concertos. On RCA there's the Brahms 2nd and Beethoven's 1st.

There are also a ton of studio concerto recordings on Melodiya from this period, but sonics are not optimal. Still probably worth investigating, though. 

As far as solo studio, the first thing that jumps out at me is his 1961 Schubert D.840, the "Unfinished" sonata on Monitor. It's probably my favorite Schubert performance by him and I prefer it over his live 1979 performance which I find too slow in the early movements. Sadly the Monitor disc is long OOP but any real Richterhead will find that only a mild inconvenience. ;)

Another good one is his studio Prokofiev 7th sonata from 1958 on Melodiya. Then there's his Supraphon Shostakovich Op.87 prelude selections from 1956. Really top-o-the-heap Shostakovich.

Among his best known and revered studio solo recordings are his Schubert Wanderer Fantasy and the Schumann Fantasy from the early 60s. Great performances, both:



(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/098/MI0001098051.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)



For Schubert's "Unfinished" sonata, D.840: 


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JQ9GcLSSL._SL500_.jpg)

   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 04, 2015, 01:14:47 PM
(http://i62.tinypic.com/dd2r21.png) 

This arrived today!  $:)


Now enjoying:

(http://i61.tinypic.com/33xbm9i.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on February 04, 2015, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: George on February 04, 2015, 01:14:47 PM
(http://i62.tinypic.com/dd2r21.png) 

This arrived today!  $:)


Now enjoying:

(http://i61.tinypic.com/33xbm9i.jpg)

My favourite Brahms PC2
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 04, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: Holden on February 04, 2015, 02:55:43 PM
My favourite Brahms PC2

It is a great performance. I have yet to compare it side by side to the pianist's favorite recording of the work, the one with Maazel.

Now enjoying:

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2w68j9y.png)(http://s22.postimg.org/6a48sw2q9/CD2_Front.png)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on February 04, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
I am up to CD 12 of that box the Beethoven sonatas studio recording. I was particularly impressed by the Debussy from the October 25th 1960 recital. The Universal box only seems to have scattered bits of Debussy. Are there any Richter recordings devoted solely to Debussy?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 04, 2015, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on February 04, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
I am up to CD 12 of that box the Beethoven sonatas studio recording. I was particularly impressed by the Debussy from the October 25th 1960 recital. The Universal box only seems to have scattered bits of Debussy. Are there any Richter recordings devoted solely to Debussy?

Well, he recorded almost all of the preludes on a BBC 2CD set that is now OOP:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JD1PT99NL.jpg)

Well worth the $25 being asked by a few reasonable third party sellers. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00001W07K/ref=tmm_acd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=&qid=)

The pianist Sergey Schepkin wrote a glowing review. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AV2H1PF5YW87R/ref=pdp_new_read_full_review_link?ie=UTF8&page=1&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R1GRIF3ODCKAKT)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on February 04, 2015, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: George on February 04, 2015, 04:32:58 PM
Well, he recorded almost all of the preludes on a BBC 2CD set that is now OOP:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JD1PT99NL.jpg)

Well worth the $25 being asked by a few reasonable third party sellers. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00001W07K/ref=tmm_acd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=&qid=)

The pianist Sergey Schepkin wrote a glowing review. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AV2H1PF5YW87R/ref=pdp_new_read_full_review_link?ie=UTF8&page=1&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R1GRIF3ODCKAKT)

Thanks, and ordered, although I went for the new copy that was priced only a few dollars more.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 04, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on February 04, 2015, 05:17:41 PM
Thanks, and ordered, although I went for the new copy that was priced only a few dollars more.

Nice grab! Looks like the next cheapest new copy is $86.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on February 04, 2015, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: George on February 04, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
Nice grab! Looks like the next cheapest new copy is $86.

Which is more than I paid for the Decca/DG/Philips box. ???
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on February 05, 2015, 06:17:48 AM
Looks like the Complete Sony-RCA box has been pulled. Amazon now says "This title will be released on April 14, 2015."
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on February 05, 2015, 07:26:13 AM
Quote from: Pat B on February 05, 2015, 06:17:48 AM
Looks like the Complete Sony-RCA box has been pulled. Amazon now says "This title will be released on April 14, 2015."

I don't think it has been pulled. Amazon.co.uk has copies and has had copies for at least a few weeks now.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on February 05, 2015, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Pat B on February 05, 2015, 06:17:48 AM
Looks like the Complete Sony-RCA box has been pulled. Amazon now says "This title will be released on April 14, 2015."
My ImportCDs order got canceled, too. I wonder if Sony botched production or distribution for the American market? The folks who ordered from Europe are fine.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on February 05, 2015, 03:04:29 PM
Quote from: George on February 04, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
It is a great performance. I have yet to compare it side by side to the pianist's favorite recording of the work, the one with Maazel.

Haven't heard that one.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on February 05, 2015, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Brian on February 05, 2015, 07:51:50 AM
My ImportCDs order got canceled, too. I wonder if Sony botched production or distribution for the American market? The folks who ordered from Europe are fine.

In fact, I am listening to it now.  (CDs 13 &  14, Carnegie Hall 12/26/60 recital).
I got mine from Amazon UK at the same time as the Decca/DG box.

Perhaps it is simply a matter of more than expected number of people ordering in or through Europe which required reallocating units originally planned for the US .

I never have figured out the logic, in this age of online ordering and downloading, of releasing in Europe and the US at dates which are sometimes widely divergent.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 11, 2015, 07:06:14 PM
Stumbled on an ultra cheap but generously filled download on AmazonUK:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0079FRG0G/ref=dm_ws_sp_ps_dp

Might be a good introduction for the uninitiated or for those looking to fill a few holes. And the price can't be beat. Unfortunately there's zero documentation.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on March 12, 2015, 02:52:38 AM
Whaddya mean by "pulled"? mine's on the way, is there any issue with it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on March 12, 2015, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: king ubu on March 12, 2015, 02:52:38 AM
Whaddya mean by "pulled"? mine's on the way, is there any issue with it?

Just that US amazon had it for sale, and now show it as to be released in April. My copy (ordered from grooves-inc.com, based in Switzerland IIRC) has arrived. I've listened to about a third of it, no problems yet. It might just be a US distribution glitch.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on March 13, 2015, 05:31:36 AM
Okay, thanks! I've seen that happen on many a newly released set. Probably some production delays after an entire batch has been sold off (sometimes this happened right on release date - you could pre-order a box, and on release date, you'd actually get another date a month or so in the future, I think actually the Universal Italy Richter solo box was one such case). And hah, I wish grooves-inc were really based in Switzerland - would have saved me from paying those obnoxious fees going along with VAT payments due on imports (my Boulez DG 20c box was shipped from Germany to Switzerland - had I know that, I'd have ordered it elsewhere).

But back to Richter, looking forward to the box!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Steebo on March 13, 2015, 11:35:16 PM
Just ordered the Complete Sony-RCA box for £15.76 inc postage from Amazon Uk affilliate,you will probably need to be quick though!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on July 01, 2015, 12:03:13 PM
I have the latter two, and I ordered the first but it never arrived. Maybe you should choose based on what repertoire you are most interested in?

A lot of people love the live Carnegie Hall recitals in the first box, but from what I've heard on streaming, there are some misses - along with some very very big hits (that Rachmaninov, mmm!).

The EMI Icon box is a cross-section - the Schubert sonatas can be a bit slow for me, and his Grieg concerto is far from my favorite, but you also get the Handel keyboard suites, plus Prokofiev's Fourth Concerto, Berg's chamber concerto, and the very famous coupling of Dvorak's piano concerto with Schubert's Wanderer Fantasy.

The Universal box is huge and contains just about everything. From Haydn sonatas to collaborations with Benjamin Britten, from great live Schumann and Liszt to Brahms chamber music, it's bigger in scope, range, and awesomeness.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Karl Henning on July 01, 2015, 12:06:40 PM
That Icon box is something of a temptation, for me particularly because of the Berg.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brian on July 01, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 01, 2015, 12:16:56 PM
Is the Universal box the Decca, Philips, & DG one?
Yes.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 01, 2015, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 01, 2015, 11:42:03 AM
Which should I get:

Complete Album Collection

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Amazing performances, sub-par (noise reduced) sound.

QuoteComplete Decca, Philips & DG Recordings

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Great sound. As far as performances go, a real mixed bag.

QuoteIcon: Sviatoslav Richter

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I have said before (and will say again now) that this is the best overall Richter box (for multi-composers) for sound and performance. Most of the recordings are from Richter's peak, while the Universal set has some stuff from him past his peak.

Speaking only of performance, the best Richter box is the In Prague set. Hopefully one day Brilliant puts it out at a reasonable price. 



Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 01, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: Brian on July 01, 2015, 12:03:13 PM
I have the latter two, and I ordered the first but it never arrived. Maybe you should choose based on what repertoire you are most interested in?

I think price should also be an issue. I wonder how much each is going for these days.

QuoteA lot of people love the live Carnegie Hall recitals in the first box, but from what I've heard on streaming, there are some misses - along with some very very big hits (that Rachmaninov, mmm!).

Well said, that Rachmaninoff is awesome!! (but then his Rachmaninoff always is.)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 01, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
Yeah, that BC set is not known for it's sound.

I think the combo idea is a wonderful one! You'll get to hear Richter in his prime live and in the studio. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on July 01, 2015, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 01, 2015, 01:32:02 PM
I am leaning towards the Complete Album and Icon combo just because of the content.

That's a good plan. I agree with George that the Icon would be #1 choice, and the Sony-RCA set complements it nicely. But I doubt you can go wrong with any or all of these. (In case anybody cares, I have the Sony-RCA and Icon sets, and about a third of the Universal stuff.)

Be aware that there is a fair amount of duplication within the Sony-RCA set. But I don't think you will regret it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on July 02, 2015, 07:37:45 PM
I have both the Sony and Universal boxes, and would not want to be without either.  I intend to reel in the Icon box, but I need to make a bigger dent in the Rubinstein box first.
As a practical matter, I would go for the Universal box first.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 04, 2015, 06:50:02 PM
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Now enjoying a first spin of this lovely 2CD set. First release of these performances, in great sound!
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 04, 2015, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 04, 2015, 07:20:16 PM
I just got a message that this 3-CD set has shipped.

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I haven't ordered the others yet.

Just so you know, most (all?) of the performances from that Authorised series was reissued (same mastering) in The Master series for Decca in 2CD sets.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 04, 2015, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 04, 2015, 07:29:07 PM
By "others" I meant the Icon set and the Complete Albums Collection; not more of the Authorised.  This was a third party purchase, rather inexpensive.

Did you buy it just to try it out? That entire set you just bought is in the Universal set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on July 05, 2015, 08:38:31 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 12:20:57 AM
One and done.  I ordered it because of the Liszt B Minor (as it turns out it may be redundant if it contains the Carnegie Hall performance) before I decided to get one of the larger sets.
The Universal box contains one performance of the Sonata,  from Livorno 1966.
The Sony box contains a few pieces by Liszt,  but none of them from Carnegie and none of them the Sonata.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 05, 2015, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
I am hoping that the Authorised set contains the Livorno 1966 perforamance since I already have the Carnegie Hall 1965 date.

You can find out at Trovar.com
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 05, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
He lists these Philips 438620 (CD) or 446200 (CD) or 454545 (CD).  I don't know how to determine if the Authorized Recordings is one of those.  Also, I don't think the Trovar site is updated since it does not have the Praga 350078 recording among the Carnegie Hall recordings.

There is also a page on that site with artwork. Or, you can simply google each catalog number for artwork.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: kishnevi on July 05, 2015, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
I am hoping that the Authorised set contains the Livorno 1966 perforamance since I already have the Carnegie Hall 1965 date.

The copyright date given in the track listings of the set for the Livorno 1966 is 1994....that is, the year the Authorized  sets were released.

But since the Universal set contains all the recordings issued on Philips,  and contains only one performance of the sonata, then Philips never issued  any other performance of the sonata, so the Authorized performance has to be the Livorno.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 05, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
I am hoping that the Authorised set contains the Livorno 1966 perforamance since I already have the Carnegie Hall 1965 date.

Yes, it's the Livorno recording.

The Carnegie is my favorite but the sound is truly awful. The Aldeburgh sonata is great, too.


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 05, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 06:06:35 PM
Thanks!  I have only heard the Carnegie Hall and the Moscow; I would like to find the Aldeburgh too.  It is a real shame that he never recorded this work in the studio, although I know he did not like that environment.  Also, do you know if the one that is coupled with the two concertos with Kondrashin is the Carnegie Hall or something else.

:)

It's the Livorno, 1966.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 05, 2015, 06:49:57 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 06:06:35 PMAlso, do you know if the one that is coupled with the two concertos with Kondrashin is the Carnegie Hall or something else.

The Philips disc with the concertos actually is the Livorno performance. However, there IS a Philips issue of the Carnegie that's mislabeled "Budapest", although it's long OOP (below). I've never heard that one so I don't know how the transfer compares to the Palexa release I have. According to the reviews on Amazon Palexa is the better of the two.



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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 05, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
This is confusing.  I had thought that these recordings were the same but just has different cover art, but now I see it's two different orchestras: Moscow and London.

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That looks like something new. The recordings could be private tapes (or some such) that've floated around the Richter underground for who knows how long which now somebody has decided to put on disc.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 05, 2015, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 07:05:25 PM
The ones I need to hear are the Livorno (which is in the mail) and the Aldeburgh - which I need to hunt down.

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This has it, and has been given high marks, but the Amazon seller wants $61.50 for his copy. 

There's a later release of the Aldeburgh on BBC Legends (which I haven't heard) and likely is in improved sound over the Music & Arts (which I have):



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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 05, 2015, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on July 05, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
Thanks just put it in my cart.  Do you know which is on this one:

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That's Livorno, the same one in the "Authorized Edition". That whole Decca "Master" series is a straight reissue of the "Authorized Edition" although (for some reason) a few of the performances on the "AE" went missing on the Decca. They're no doubt in one of the Universal boxes, though.

Oh, and the Aldeburgh is in quite good sound, fyi.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on July 16, 2015, 06:50:50 PM
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Picked this up today for $12. It apparently is selling for $625 on amazon.  :o
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 16, 2015, 09:06:05 PM
Quote from: George on July 16, 2015, 06:50:50 PM
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Picked this up today for $12. It apparently is selling for $625 on amazon.  :o

You should undercut the seller George and list yours for $624! ;D


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 16, 2015, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: George on July 16, 2015, 06:50:50 PM
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Picked this up today for $12. It apparently is selling for $625 on amazon.  :o

There is a collectible copy there for $74.95 and some used ones between $77 - $110. No new copies available. Maybe someone bought the expensive one as it was new. I'm assuming George you got this at a used CD store or similar. It's amazing the bargains that turn up in those sort of places.

EDIT: If you had played me this CD and asked me to name the pianist Richter would have been one of the last I would have guessed at (if at all) This contemplative, poignant approach is so unlike what I have heard from him apart for some of this late Schubert and Rach Preludes. I sat spellbound listening to this. Move over Emil Gilels, you may just have been replaced by your contemporary in these achingly beautiful pieces.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on July 25, 2015, 02:20:58 AM
If I hate Richter's Händel on EMI (yup, sorry, it's silly and new-agey to my ears, almost like Keith Jarrett in a weaker moment), need I bother with his WTC? And if the answer is yes, which edition is the one to get?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 25, 2015, 05:57:32 AM
Quote from: king ubu on July 25, 2015, 02:20:58 AM
If I hate Richter's Händel on EMI (yup, sorry, it's silly and new-agey to my ears, almost like Keith Jarrett in a weaker moment), need I bother with his WTC? And if the answer is yes, which edition is the one to get?


Why don't you just listen for yourself on youtube or something? RCA recently remastered the studio version very well, by the way. I tend to listen most to the lives in Insbruck and Hungary, possibly for no good reason.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on July 25, 2015, 08:05:18 AM
Thanks - might indeed try and sample (but I prefer doing that in a store usually - no idea if the one in town would have any of it there though).

Anyway, could you please post a link to the reissue by RCA? The only one easily to be found on RCA is this 4 disc set from 1992, it seems (rec. in Salzburg):

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: JCBuckley on July 25, 2015, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: king ubu on July 25, 2015, 08:05:18 AM
Thanks - might indeed try and sample (but I prefer doing that in a store usually - no idea if the one in town would have any of it there though).

Anyway, could you please post a link to the reissue by RCA? The only one easily to be found on RCA is this 4 disc set from 1992, it seems (rec. in Salzburg):

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As far as I'm aware, RCA have only issued a remastered version of Book One of Richter's 1972-73 WTC. Or at least, that's all that's available in the UK. The original RCA complete set is still available - and, for what it's worth, this is still the version I listen to more frequently than any other of the dozen or so WTCs that I've bought over the years. Too emphatic and weighty for many, I know, but I love it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on July 25, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
I've got the RCA, Innsbruck and Moscow WTCs by Richter as well as ones by Feinberg, Schiff, Gould and Jando. The RCA is the one I automatically return to every time. The sets I've listed above are all very different and you may prefer one of them. The Feinberg is particularly good.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 25, 2015, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: JCBuckley on July 25, 2015, 09:27:21 AM
As far as I'm aware, RCA have only issued a remastered version of Book One of Richter's 1972-73 WTC. Or at least, that all that's available in the UK. The original RCA complete set is still available - and, for what it's worth, this is still the version I listen to more frequently than any other of the dozen or so WTCs that I've bought over the years. Too emphatic and weighty for many, I know, but I love it.

Yes I was confused, but I have an amateur transfer of Book 2 taken from LPs which is better than what's in the old sony transfer. I'll share the FLAC files with anyone who wants it, just send me a message.

The remastered Bk 1 is here

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 25, 2015, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: king ubu on July 25, 2015, 02:20:58 AM
If I hate Richter's Händel on EMI (yup, sorry, it's silly and new-agey to my ears, almost like Keith Jarrett in a weaker moment), need I bother with his WTC? And if the answer is yes, which edition is the one to get?

I listened last night to some of WTC 2, the studio recording, and I feel very enthusiastic, I think you should hear it. But I would urge you to avoid the commercial transfer.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on July 26, 2015, 12:00:07 AM
Okay, thanks! My asking the question is because I have a hunch I should try ...
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on July 26, 2015, 08:36:43 AM
Richter's WTK is better than his Handel (partly because Richter's weighty approach fits the music better, partly because the Handel suites do not work so well on modern piano, and especially Gavrilov chooses some glacial tempi in the suites he plays) and I think it also sounds better, certainly in the newest incarnation, that is not the RCA Gold but the one with two separate 2-disc-volumes with the same covers as some Eurodisc LP issues. But the sound is also listenable on the older 4-CD-set, just in neither case what one would expect from a good ca. 1970 recording.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on July 27, 2015, 04:26:45 AM
Thanks, that's actually what I'm hoping for!

As for Händel, I only know Richter's parts (from his EMI Icon set), and I really can't take it. I guess I'm all for harpsichord there.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 05:14:47 AM
To my knowledge both volumes in the separate issue (German title with the score on the cover, the LPs also looked like that) have been remastered. I am not sure about which issue the claim is that only one volume is available. Both are, and inexpensive to boot. However, there are a bunch of (earlier?) live recordings (or from russian sources) around. I have not heard any of them (and the sound is not bound to be better) but I seem to recall that some connoisseurs preferred those more obscure live recordings (as is always the case...)

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Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Karl Henning on July 27, 2015, 05:32:46 AM
Quote from: king ubu on July 27, 2015, 04:26:45 AM
Thanks, that's actually what I'm hoping for!

As for Händel, I only know Richter's parts (from his EMI Icon set), and I really can't take it. I guess I'm all for harpsichord there.

I sympathize for a preference for harpsichord . . . I've actually been enjoying these Handel suites, FWIW.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 06:24:45 AM
Apparently those Handel suites were quite dear to Richter because there are also several live recordings of some of them floating around, although always the same ones, therefore he split them with Gavrilov for a somewhat "complete" set. (It's not complete because there could be no such thing in the first place of the mess that is Handel's keyboard oeuvre and more specifically in Richter/Gavrilov's set three pieces are missing from the "1733" set (including the famous Chaconne and the B flat major suite Brahms took the variation theme from) but two other short suites Handel presumeably wrote for the English princesses are included.)

So I respect those Handel recordings (I do not think they sound "new agey" whatever that would mean in this context) and keep them around but I hardly listen to them, mainly because I prefer the harpsichord (and also the live sound quality is rather poor).

In any case, Richter's recording of the WTK is rightly regarded as one of the "classic" piano recordings of that monumental work.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 27, 2015, 06:53:35 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 05:14:47 AM
To my knowledge both volumes in the separate issue (German title with the score on the cover, the LPs also looked like that) have been remastered. I am not sure about which issue the claim is that only one volume is available. Both are, and inexpensive to boot. However, there are a bunch of (earlier?) live recordings (or from russian sources) around. I have not heard any of them (and the sound is not bound to be better) but I seem to recall that some connoisseurs preferred those more obscure live recordings (as is always the case...)

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Both books have been reissued with that style cover but only Book One has been remastered. I have the Russian sources and the sound is better, much better, because there's less reverberation and more warmth. But the sound is still not very good. The performances seem to me one of the best modern piano on record, unique in fact because it comes close to providing just what I want from Bach, which I get from (eg) Leonhardt  and Chorzempa -- accuracy, control and natural sounding, unobtrusive expression. The only other performance on modern piano that comes close to this ideal is Bernard Roberts, but his performances are ruined for me by extreme dynamic variation which I think kills the dignity of the music. Of course there are other piano performances which are excellent in other ways, especially Tureck's DG.

The sound quality is one reason people prefer the live recordings.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 27, 2015, 07:05:28 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 06:24:45 AM
Apparently those Handel suites were quite dear to Richter because there are also several live recordings of some of them floating around, although always the same ones, therefore he split them with Gavrilov for a somewhat "complete" set. (It's not complete because there could be no such thing in the first place of the mess that is Handel's keyboard oeuvre and more specifically in Richter/Gavrilov's set three pieces are missing from the "1733" set (including the famous Chaconne and the B flat major suite Brahms took the variation theme from) but two other short suites Handel presumeably wrote for the English princesses are included.)

So I respect those Handel recordings (I do not think they sound "new agey" whatever that would mean in this context) and keep them around but I hardly listen to them, mainly because I prefer the harpsichord (and also the live sound quality is rather poor).

In any case, Richter's recording of the WTK is rightly regarded as one of the "classic" piano recordings of that monumental work.

I'm not crazy about the Handel suites, but one thing I appreciate about what Richter did is that he recorded so many which aren't part of the great eight. Does anyone know the music? I ask because if I understand correctly the scores are very incomplete so (I guess) playing the suites after the great eight must have involved quite a bit of reconstruction and imagination on Richter's part.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 07:06:38 AM
My booklet claims for both volumes "remastered by Yukio Takahashi". I have no chance to prove or disprove that because I have no other sources to compare the (c) 2009 issues with.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on July 27, 2015, 07:09:26 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 07:06:38 AM
My booklet claims for both volumes "remastered by Yukio Takahashi". I have no chance to prove or disprove that because I have no other sources to compare the (c) 2009 issues with.

Can I send you my transfers from the Melodiya LPs  just to see how you think they compare? What is the 2009?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on July 27, 2015, 07:49:01 AM
"2009" is the one I pictured above: Sony 88697574002.
I looked through the booklets and backcovers of both volumes and cannot find any clue that one should have been remastered differently than the other one. (I could try actually listening to them...)
You can send me a PM if you can upload the transfers somewhere. I do not think my current email account could handle large files.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on July 29, 2015, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on July 27, 2015, 07:05:28 AM
I'm not crazy about the Handel suites, but one thing I appreciate about what Richter did is that he recorded so many which aren't part of the great eight. Does anyone know the music? I ask because if I understand correctly the scores are very incomplete so (I guess) playing the suites after the great eight must have involved quite a bit of reconstruction and imagination on Richter's part.
Richter played 3 from the 1733 set: HWV 438 e minor, 439 g minor, 441 G major and one of the short later suites HWV 452 g minor.

I looked at a score at IMSLP of that last one (the other ones will not load for me) and for me as a layman it does not look all that different from the 1720 set or Bach's English and French suites. Some movements are mainly in two parts with hardly any full chords but this is true for Bach as well. Of course I do not know whether a modern editor "completed" some things.

But I believe that "incomplete" is pointing out two other facts:
1) Handel only prepared the 1720 set for publication, the other ones were not revised and might be "sketchy" in that sense (also because some/most of them were composed decades earlier in Hamburg), not insofar that they would be too incomplete to be played (because they apparently were quite successfully played by many ladies and gentlemen in the 18th century). It seems that several of the suites might have been compiled by the editor and the (fun and brilliant) HWV 441 seems to be a keyboard arrangement of (Handelian) pieces not originally written for keyboard by the editor or some intermediate.

2) In virtually all solo music at that time the player was expected to add embellishments. But in that respect the 1720 set is no different from the stuff published later by Walsh and others, sometimes without Handel's consent.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 12, 2015, 04:38:52 PM
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Finally found a new copy of this for a good price! And it arrived today in immaculate condition! Now enjoying Schumann's Piano Concerto, 1954, conducted by Janos Ferencsik. CD01 is filled out by some some solo Brahms and Bach works, also from 1954. CD02 is all solo 1954 recordings, Prokofiev PS 8 and the rest is solo Ravel.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 12, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
Cool, George! Let us know how you get along with this set as you work your way through it. :)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 12, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 12, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
Cool, George! Let us know how you get along with this set as you work your way through it. :)

Will do!

I'm really enjoying CD 01 and I am hearing some tape hiss, so that's good.

Do you own it?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 12, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: George on December 12, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
I'm really enjoying CD 01 and I am hearing some tape hiss, so that's good.

Cool!

QuoteDo you own it?

No, I don't. But the entire box is on Youtube. :o I've listened to some of the performances here and there and from what I can hear it's all good stuff but I've always been on the fence about this box. I never could pull the trigger when it was in print because I've sort of reached "Richter equilibrium" - I have so much Richter already.

But seeing that photo of the box has me pining. I guess I'll have to live vicariously through you, George! ;D


   
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 19, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
I'll start with the two questions and then explain why I am asking: Why do people seem to react to Richter with reverence and awe? What recording (readily available and not too expensive) shows off the qualities you most admire about him?

To start, Richter is a fine pianist. He plays well, no doubt. But some here (and elsewhere) seem to view him as this god-like figure, who is the supreme pianist (or top 3) of the 20th century. There is a big difference between good and top 3. I'd have no problem saying is among the top 50-60, but I have never felt he somehow showed he was better than many other pianists today or in the past. I'd be just as happy to listen to Brendel, Hamelin, Kempff, Rubinstein, Perahia, De Laroccha, Grimaud, Barenboim, Ashkenazy, Berezovsky, Kocsis, Ciccolini, Cziffra, Hewitt, Wild, etc. (and these are just a few off the top of my head). People don't seem to go quite to the same lengths to acquire performances from these others (as they do for Richter).

One explanation could be that I don't have his best stuff (although I have enough to feel that I can make an analysis). So that is why I ask if there is anything that might show him at his best. Here's what I have:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510EK0Y2NEL._SY450_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HFHZ6WbVL._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JWPXZSeBL._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oM9xzxM7L._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z-DrLfFLL._SY450_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/719QMMXUk1L._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yVqnorMsL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81vt8blRU2L._SX425_.jpg)

The Bach is my favorite of these by far. The rest is ok, but nothing that shouts 'best ever'.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 19, 2015, 03:42:30 PM
Mc ukrneal - I once felt pretty much like you. But I kept listening and then something clicked. I'd say his Rachmaninoff opened the door and his Schubert pulled me in for good. The Beethoven CD on Melodiya (light blue cover) was a big factor, too.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Brahmsian on December 19, 2015, 05:30:44 PM
Neal, I wouldn't say that he is my favourite pianist, but I have so few Richter recordings.  However, this is probably my single favourite and most often played single disc of solo piano music.  Just love the performances of all 3 works on here, and especially the Papillons.

Best of all, this was a gift from a GMG member, many years ago.  I believe the GMG member was Novi.  I don't believe she is around anymore?

(http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/052/Music/64/be/46/mzi.fukrrdgx.600x600-75.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 19, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on December 19, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
The Bach is my favorite of these by far. The rest is ok, but nothing that shouts 'best ever'.

The one thing Richter dreaded more than anything was living up to expectations externally applied to his every musical move. He didn't enjoy the microscope. He preferred intimacy and privacy. He'd rather pack up a piano and play in a school than play in the Royal Albert Hall.

So keeping Richter the MAN in perspective has always been my gateway to understanding him. I never bought into the hype or the glam or whatever else the money machine tried to milk from him. To me he was just a pianist.

And being just a pianist meant competition. Competition from other pianists playing the same repertoire. And no I don't always feel Richter is the "best ever" in a particular work. But if not, I don't care. But I try not to get caught up in trying to hoist Richter up on some pedestal that's really more myth than reality. Letting go of the need to find a mythical "best ever" in Richter's legacy is probably the best step anyone can take in appreciating him.

Nearly twenty years after his death he's still being haunted by the microscope. :-X :)

That said, the fact a legend grew up around him while alive and still exists even today isn't necessarily indicative of myth. It's justified in my view, but being objective about it is key. He did have a fallible side - even he admitted that! He also had an experimental side, one that was insatiable - he had an appetite for NOT playing a piece the same way twice. Sometimes his experiments derailed. Sometimes his experiments paid off. But whether or not a listener gets anything from an "experiment" means either catching him when an experiment translates into musical gold or learning to give in to his "willfulness" when an experiment isn't so golden.

Sometimes adjusting to his will is the only way to appreciate his experiments. For instance, some of his Schubert (D.960 & D.894) can be absolutely glacial in places. It's not my daily bread but in small doses I do enjoy it. But if nothing else, it's DIFFERENT, which is Richter's middle name. But then there are those times where everything comes together perfectly but...the sound sucks. Or perhaps just isn't STOA but still pretty good. But that's where being diligent pays off. Finding the prime stuff - with the best sound - means sweating it out and doing the leg work (and I'm all for the best sound I can find ;D).

So taking everything about him on his own terms is pretty much mandatory.

Anyway, for me the best way to sum up what I like so much about his pianism is discernible in the short video below: no one in my experience can play with as much dexterity, clarity, and with as much adrenalin (as opposed to hysteria) without losing the musical argument as he can. And he can capture a mood with the best of them. At about the 1:35 mark of the video is where it all comes into focus.

The link is here for those missing the plug-in. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJfDl6h9ZgI)



https://www.youtube.com/v/=rJfDl6h9ZgI



It's from this disc, which is a pretty good cross-section of his sympathies and a disc which I'd say is pretty close to mandatory, and in good sound:


[asin]B0002XL23O[/asin]
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 19, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on December 19, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
I'll start with the two questions and then explain why I am asking: Why do people seem to react to Richter with reverence and awe? What recording (readily available and not too expensive) shows off the qualities you most admire about him?

To start, Richter is a fine pianist. He plays well, no doubt. But some here (and elsewhere) seem to view him as this god-like figure, who is the supreme pianist (or top 3) of the 20th century. There is a big difference between good and top 3. I'd have no problem saying is among the top 50-60, but I have never felt he somehow showed he was better than many other pianists today or in the past. I'd be just as happy to listen to Brendel, Hamelin, Kempff, Rubinstein, Perahia, De Laroccha, Grimaud, Barenboim, Ashkenazy, Berezovsky, Kocsis, Ciccolini, Cziffra, Hewitt, Wild, etc. (and these are just a few off the top of my head). People don't seem to go quite to the same lengths to acquire performances from these others (as they do for Richter).

One explanation could be that I don't have his best stuff (although I have enough to feel that I can make an analysis). So that is why I ask if there is anything that might show him at his best. Here's what I have:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510EK0Y2NEL._SY450_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HFHZ6WbVL._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JWPXZSeBL._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oM9xzxM7L._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z-DrLfFLL._SY450_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/719QMMXUk1L._SX425_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yVqnorMsL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81vt8blRU2L._SX425_.jpg)

The Bach is my favorite of these by far. The rest is ok, but nothing that shouts 'best ever'.

Actually in all of that stuff you have one of my favourite recordings by him. It's on the Tchaikowsky CD and it's called Meditation op 72/5.

Years ago someone asked a question similar to yours about Richter recordings and I posted a list. Things like his Mozart sonatas from London, his Winterreise with Schreier, his Chopin mazurkas on BBC. If you can't find it let me know.

As far as the general question goes, about reverence and awe, my feeling is that "people" react like this mainly because of what DD says - dexterity, musical argument etc. Personally, the thing I appreciate most comes mostly in the late recordings, after he became ill. it's a sense of a mind really grappling with a score to get to the poetry, the music.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on December 20, 2015, 12:24:23 AM
@ mc ukrneal: Some of them may be "mixed bags" (e.g. the Brilliant box and the Handel) but they also contain some of the best recordings by Richter and overall I would not say that they show him disfavorably. (There is some stuff missing, of course, to get a better picture, e.g. Prokofieff, Debussy, maybe some Chopin (although many find him to "heavy" there) and more Schumann, like Waldszenen, Fantasiestücke and the Symphonic Etudes.)
It is somewhat unlikely that you will become a great Richter fan if you do not like e.g. the Schubert/Schumann fantasies or the WTC.

Not sure about the Brilliant box (it may contain some) but you might want to try some later recordings (1980s/90s) that are often more relaxed than the extremely intense earlier stuff, e.g. the Beethoven variations could be more relaxed and playful, I think, but it is still very impressive and one of the "toughest" recordings of the music in its intensity.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 25, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Now enjoying CD 01 of the new 100th Anniversary box set by Richter, which my amazing girlfriend got me for Xmas. I made a little youtube video:

http://youtu.be/gp2FaPnQ3kM

Many of the CD cases in my set had smudged ink on both sides. Anyone else have this problem?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 25, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: George on December 25, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Now enjoying CD 01 of the new 100th Anniversary box set by Richter, which my amazing girlfriend got me for Xmas. I made a little youtube video:

http://youtu.be/gp2FaPnQ3kM

Many of the CD cases in my set had smudged ink on both sides. Anyone else have this problem?

Very nice, George. Heckova girlfriend! :)


Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 26, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on December 25, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
Very nice, George. Heckova girlfriend! :)

Indeed!

I just read in the liner notes that "This set includes most of his concert recordings (Richter clearly preferred them to studio ones) made in Moscow in 1962 to 1983." 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Bogey on December 27, 2015, 07:45:35 AM
Wow.  Very few that it could not be in better hands of for gleaning an appreciation of such a set.  Enjoy my friend.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 27, 2015, 07:52:40 AM
Quote from: Bogey on December 27, 2015, 07:45:35 AM
Wow.  Very few that it could not be in better hands of for gleaning an appreciation of such a set.  Enjoy my friend.

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 27, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: George on December 25, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Now enjoying CD 01 of the new 100th Anniversary box set by Richter, which my amazing girlfriend got me for Xmas. I made a little youtube video:

http://youtu.be/gp2FaPnQ3kM

Many of the CD cases in my set had smudged ink on both sides. Anyone else have this problem?

The smudges look like this (and again, they appear on every CD case):

(http://s28.postimg.org/u8f04maq5/IMG_20151227_152741.jpg)

(http://s9.postimg.org/dgxl6zv0f/IMG_20151227_153030.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 31, 2015, 08:45:35 AM
MDT (and three other owners of the Richter 100th Anniversary set) have confirmed that all of their copies have the same ink-bleed defect, documented by my photos above. And I own a very late number (872/1000), so I suspect that all copies have been printed the same defect. 
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 04, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71oinHhimfL._SL450_.jpg)

For some reason, I resisted buying this when it came out. I bought the green counterpart, the solo piano one, but resisted this one. I suspect it was the green sets weird piano tone/sonics that put me off this series. Similarly, I resisted the Hungary set, for samples I had heard were not impressive, sound-wise, and I had reached a tipping point with Richter, having had 250 CDs of the (my favorite) pianist. Then I found the Hungary set for a great price and a month later I got the 100th anniversary set. Now, with 314 Richter CDs, I had little reason to buy more, right? Wrong! The completist in me saw this set mentioned somewhere and I had to have it.  Unfortunately, the price had reason to over $80 used. I took a stab and offered an amazon third party seller $45 for his set. I was happy to see that he agreed. It arrived today. I compared the sonics on three performances from this set to the mastering of the same performances on the aforementioned 100th Anniversary set. Sure enough, the sound on the Brilliant Classics set is muffled and just downright weird. But it contains many Russian performances that I do not have elsewhere and for that, I am happy to have the set. I am enjoying Bach's first keyboard concerto as I type this.

I also just wanted to share that I am up to the 22nd disc on the 100th Anniversary set and especially after hearing how much better the sound is than on the above set, I wholeheartedly recommend the set to any fan of piano music who can afford it.  A great set for the newcomer, as you hear Richter as his peak. And a great set for the Richterphile, for it contains many newly released performances.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on January 05, 2016, 05:13:32 AM
Quote from: George on January 04, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71oinHhimfL._SL450_.jpg)

For some reason, I resisted buying this when it came out. I bought the green counterpart, the solo piano one, but resisted this one. I suspect it was the green sets weird piano tone/sonics that put me off this series. Similarly, I resisted the Hungary set, for samples I had heard were not impressive, sound-wise, and I had reached a tipping point with Richter, having had 250 CDs of the (my favorite) pianist. Then I found the Hungary set for a great price and a month later I got the 100th anniversary set. Now, with 314 Richter CDs, I had little reason to buy more, right? Wrong! The completist in me saw this set mentioned somewhere and I had to have it.  Unfortunately, the price had reason to over $80 used. I took a stab and offered an amazon third party seller $45 for his set. I was happy to see that he agreed. It arrived today. I compared the sonics on three performances from this set to the mastering of the same performances on the aforementioned 100th Anniversary set. Sure enough, the sound on the Brilliant Classics set is muffled and just downright weird. But it contains many Russian performances that I do not have elsewhere and for that, I am happy to have the set. I am enjoying Bach's first keyboard concerto as I type this.

I also just wanted to share that I am up to the 22nd disc on the 100th Anniversary set and especially after hearing how much better the sound is than on the above set, I wholeheartedly recommend the set to any fan of piano music who can afford it.  A great set for the newcomer, as you hear Richter as his peak. And a great set for the Richterphile, for it contains many newly released performances.

The haydn D minor concerto is good in that one I think, if it's the one with the Minsk Chamber Orchestra, this thing

https://www.youtube.com/v/IBVg2BfR-ug
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on January 05, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on January 05, 2016, 05:13:32 AM
The haydn D minor concerto is good in that one I think, if it's the one with the Minsk Chamber Orchestra, this thing

https://www.youtube.com/v/IBVg2BfR-ug

Yeah, that's the one in there.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on March 12, 2016, 06:40:23 AM
(shifted from the New Releases thread)
Quote from: Jo498 on March 11, 2016, 01:48:38 PM
It's obligatory but most of us will have most of these recordings already from older BMG/eurodisc issues or from Olympia, Regis and several other labels. I have all but the Chopin Scherzi, some of the Rachmaninoff and maybe some of the Tchaikovsky, so I am going to think thrice if original covers and a small probability of audible improvements by new remastering could be worth it...

What are your thoughts on these recordings? I think I only have the WTC1, which I love though it doesn't sound very Richter to me.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on March 12, 2016, 07:29:48 AM
There are by now so many live and older recordings of Richter available (or not), that the aficionados will probably name alternatives for most of the Eurodisc recordings. But when I bought my first Richter recordings almost 20 years ago, these studio recordings were both highly recommended and available.
They are studio recordings, most from the early 1970s and done in the West, but the sound is often more decent than great. (But the earlier or later live recordings have sometimes even more problematic sound.)
Both Bach WTC volumes are available separately and remastered (the ones with a page from the score on the cover). I have the Schubert D 960 & 958 on Olympia, also Beethoven's opp. 2/3, 7, 90. These are discs from the 1990s.
Schumann Symphonic Etudes and Bunte Blätter on Regis (licensed from Olympia, claim to be remastered), Tchaikovsky on Alto. I also have the Beethoven variations and some of the Rachmaninoff pieces.
(The stuff is spread over more discs in the newer editions.)

Except for some Schubert and Beethoven I do not have other Richter recordings of this music, so I cannot say whether there is some preferable live version. The D 960 is very slow (which was Richter's "speciality" in some Schubert movements) but intense and fairly unique. D 958 not as eccentric but also very impressive. The Beethoven is almost on the brutal side. The also included Eroica Variations are the most dramatic reading I have heard.
In brief, I'd say that it's fairly typical Richter: powerful, intense, sometimes maybe short on humor and elegance and this approach fits some pieces better than others... although the little Tchaikovsky pieces are also quite good in my recollection.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on March 12, 2016, 10:26:01 AM
I realized that I also have that Beethoven op.90 and Schubert D958 (on a BBC Music Magazine disc, "in association with Olympia"). I've got quite a bit of Richter and was planning on buying only a carefully-selected few more, but as you noted the sound on some of the earlier recordings is pretty bad. I should re-listen to some of them before I add this.

...I just listened to that BBCMM disc. The Beethoven is good, the Schubert, Chopin, and Schumann are better. The Chopin and Schumann are live from Japan in 1979 and in quite good sound.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful response.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: king ubu on May 01, 2017, 08:22:34 AM
Anyone figured out the exact contents of the recently released Hänssler Schubert box (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/svjatoslav-richter-plays-schubert-live-in-moscow-1949-1963/hnum/6400871) (i.e. how does it compare to the Melodiya Schubert box- and does it fix that release's huge gaffe (http://pjotaylormusic.blogspot.ch/2014/09/what-went-wrong-with-melodiyas-cd-of.html)
? - or the green Brilliant solo set?)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on May 02, 2017, 06:58:55 AM

What if...

we could put together an ideal cycle of Richter's 23 Beethoven Sonatas (+ Andante favori & Diabellis, perhaps).

Which recordings would you include? (That's particularly looking at you, Todd.)

Specifically a particular performance? Generally rather late or early? Studio when possible or live at all cost?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on May 02, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
I'll start the ball rolling with Op 13 and Op 57. Both recorded on the Melodiya label in Moscow. The Pathetique was recorded in June 1959 and the Appassionata in June 1960.

Also for Op 110, the one recorded in Leipzig on November 28 1963.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on May 03, 2017, 05:54:05 AM
Quote from: Holden on May 02, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
I'll start the ball rolling with Op 13 and Op 57. Both recorded on the Melodiya label in Moscow. The Pathetique was recorded in June 1959 and the Appassionata in June 1960.

Also for Op 110, the one recorded in Leipzig on November 28 1963.

Thanks much. Not being familiar with any of them, do you mind sharing your thoughts on the respective takes' sound quality and perhaps, if obvious, interpretative quirks/specialties?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
No strict rules regarding studio vs. live or early vs. late.

My notes say his op. 10/3 at Carnegie Hall (in the Sony box) was not very good. I have a couple of others but don't remember details.

The Pathétique Holden mentioned will be a unanimous selection. It is Richter's only recording of that piece. <- wrong!

There are four Appassionatas all within about a year of each other. Both the live Melodiya and the studio recording on RCA are astounding. I have not done a head-to-head comparison but I think I'd go with the studio recording for its better sound. I don't remember much about the Carnegie Hall one, which might seem like soft criticism but in this case I think it means it's approximately as astounding as the other two. I have not heard the Praga.

My notes say two of his op. 54s — studio on RCA, and 1992 at Schliersee on Live Classics — are my favorites.

For the last three, the 1963 Leipzig set is very popular, but when I listened to it I didn't quite understand the hoopla. I may have listened with the wrong mindset, so I should revisit it. There is a CD on Live Classics with 1991 Kiel performances of op. 109 and op. 110 that is outstanding (hat tip to Dancing Divertimentian). I also really liked the 1975 op. 111 on Brilliant. The 1991 one on Philips is unrepresentative.

I can't recall preferences among the others.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on May 03, 2017, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: Pat B on May 03, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
No strict rules regarding studio vs. live or early vs. late.

My notes say ...

Thanks much for that!

Quote from: Pat B on May 03, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
The 1991 one on Philips is unrepresentative.

...as in: not typical of Richter or plain bad? I think that's the one I have on the Richter discs that were re-issued on Decca.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on May 03, 2017, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on May 02, 2017, 06:58:55 AM
What if...

we could put together an ideal cycle of Richter's 23 Beethoven Sonatas (+ Andante favori & Diabellis, perhaps).

Which recordings would you include? (That's particularly looking at you, Todd.)

Specifically a particular performance? Generally rather late or early? Studio when possible or live at all cost?

You didn't ask a similar question about Richter's Schubert sonatas (which I think is even better than his Beethoven), but if you had, these are the performances I would nominate:

D 960 Prague - 1972 - Praga
D 958 Salzburg - 1972 - Regis
D 894 London - 1989 - Philips/Decca
D 850 Prague - 1956 - Praga (better sound than Music and Arts)
D 845 Moscow - 1957 - Living Stage (better sound than Urania)
D 840 Salzburg - 1979 - Philips/Decca
D 784 Tokyo - 1979 - Regis
D 664 Paris - 1963 - EMI
D 625 Munich - 1978 - Victor/Japan
D 575 Florence - 1966 - Philips/Decca
D 566 Moscow - 1978 - Brilliant Classics
D 459 Hohenems - 1980 - Doremi
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on May 03, 2017, 01:51:47 PM
There are actually two recordings of the Pathetique, I know because I have them both. I chose the slightly newer one because the sound in the earlier one (April 1958) is not that good though the performances are similar. The live Prague recording is excellent but the Melodiya studio is better IMO, more 'passionate?', with an astoundingly fast yet clear final movement. Strangely enough, this is not my favourite recording. That honour goes to Richter's contemporary, Emil Gilels, in his live Moscow recital in 1960.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on May 03, 2017, 10:33:41 AM
...as in: not typical of Richter or plain bad? I think that's the one I have on the Richter discs that were re-issued on Decca.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "plain bad." It does have some good Richterian dynamics, but some parts lurch, some sound mechanical, and some are just a mess. Those flaws are not typical of Richter. There are much better versions by Richter and others. If this, instead of the Melodiya CD, had been my first exposure to Richter then I may not have become much of a fan.

Decca's "Richter: The Master" series is a reissue (or a subset?) of the Philips "Authorized Recordings". These were reportedly not authorized, and even though Richter's self-criticism could verge on comical, the non-authorization makes sense on this particular performance.

I just listened to op. 109 and 111 from the 1963 Leipzig disc (I have the Parnassus release) and I think my problem with it is the dry, muffled sound. It bothered me more in 109 (which is also plagued by audience noises in bright, clear sound) than in 111. I think I'm ready to count the latter as living up to its billing as a great version — but not better than his 1975 on Brilliant.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2017, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: Holden on May 03, 2017, 01:51:47 PM
There are actually two recordings of the Pathetique, I know because I have them both.

I stand corrected! It's even on trovar (but it says Moscow, not Prague).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2017, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Holden on May 03, 2017, 01:51:47 PM
That honour goes to Richter's contemporary, Emil Gilels, in his live Moscow recital in 1960.

Might you mean the one from 1968?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on May 03, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
One of his  Beethoven performances which I think is especially nice is here

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/078/MI0001078197.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on May 03, 2017, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 03, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
One of his  Beethoven performances which I think is especially nice is here

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/078/MI0001078197.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Which one? Or both?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on May 03, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on May 03, 2017, 11:14:51 PM
Which one? Or both?

I think both. It's a while since I heard op 14/1 but I just played the op 14/2 on that CD and I think it's really special. Light and lyrical.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on May 04, 2017, 01:09:23 AM
I remember the Leipzig op.109-111 as very impressive, except for the sound (which I found acceptable). I don't much like the later op.110s I have heard (one in the brilliant box, one on "The philosopher", a strange selection of late recordings). Richter plays the second movement of op.110 uncommonly slow for some reason which does not work for me at all and this is worse in the later recordings.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on February 24, 2019, 06:04:43 AM
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Released this time last year but I've only just discovered it, this online blog entry says

Quote from: http://www.dasdc.net/t/new-release-of-richter-and-muti-performing-mozart/17890Two live recordings from the Maggio Music Festival in Florence. No. 24 is from Nov. 20, 1971 and No. 27 from Dec. 4, 1976. Both have been circulated as private source but I do not know how good or bad the existing private copy is, as I have not heard them. This new release should be from original master tape

I have a recording of K 491 from November 1971, and it has over the years become one of these recordings which "has repaid repeated listening" as they say, not just for the piano, Muti too is full of ideas.  I've just ordered this new release, I'll be watching for the postman at the window every morning.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: staxomega on February 24, 2019, 06:20:00 AM
Hanssler released several Richter boxes a couple of years ago. Does anyone know if these are original recordings released only by them or have they been put out by Praga, Melodiya, Orfeo, and various other labels?

https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/klassik/soloinstr-mit-orchester/richter-plays-brahms-schumann/
https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/soloinstr-mit-orchester-2/richter-plays-liszt-and-chopin/
https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/klassik/soloinstr-ohne-orchester/klaviersonaten-variationen-klavierkonzerte/
https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/klassik/soloinstr-ohne-orchester/klaviersonaten-3/

I have been meaning to match up the recording dates (Presto has the recording dates for each composition) with what I have but haven't got around to it yet.

Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
Quote from: staxomega on February 24, 2019, 06:20:00 AM
Hanssler released several Richter boxes a couple of years ago. Does anyone know if these are original recordings released only by them or have they been put out by Praga, Melodiya, Orfeo, and various other labels?

https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/klassik/soloinstr-mit-orchester/richter-plays-brahms-schumann/
https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/soloinstr-mit-orchester-2/richter-plays-liszt-and-chopin/
https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/klassik/soloinstr-ohne-orchester/klaviersonaten-variationen-klavierkonzerte/
https://haensslerprofil.de/shop/klassik/soloinstr-ohne-orchester/klaviersonaten-3/

I have been meaning to match up the recording dates (Presto has the recording dates for each composition) with what I have but haven't got around to it yet.

From looking over the Beethoven set (the first one I found on Presto), some of the recordings have been released on Philips and Melodiya, but there's also some stuff that was otherwise only on less-familiar labels or not at all — some from very early in his career. I'm only part way through that set.

ETA: Profil is a reputable label, but I can't help but wonder about some of these dates.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: staxomega on February 26, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: Pat B on February 26, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
From looking over the Beethoven set (the first one I found on Presto), some of the recordings have been released on Philips and Melodiya, but there's also some stuff that was otherwise only on less-familiar labels or not at all — some from very early in his career. I'm only part way through that set.

ETA: Profil is a reputable label, but I can't help but wonder about some of these dates.

Thank you. I can sample all four boxes, I'll see about writing some more when I've been able to compare dates, unfortunately the best Richter discography I know of had its hosting or domain expire.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2019, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: staxomega on February 26, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
Thank you. I can sample all four boxes, I'll see about writing some more when I've been able to compare dates, unfortunately the best Richter discography I know of had its hosting or domain expire.

archive.org has it (https://web.archive.org/web/20110312084439/http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/index.html).

There is also a newer discography here (http://www.parnassusrecords.com/discography-the-recorded-legacy-of-sviatoslav-richter-1947-2012/) (a link on that page goes to the google doc).
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 12, 2019, 12:29:41 AM
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Couldn't stop myself thinking that Richter transforms the adagio of Mozart K.280 into some sort of Schubert/Feldman flânerie. He seems to have played this sonata a lot.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: ChopinBroccoli on July 19, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
Sometimes Richter is faster than I want, sometimes slower, sometimes too loud, other times too quiet but he's never perfunctory; never ordinary... It's always intriguing to listen to, I'm definitely a fan

His Liszt concertos from the early 60s with Kondrashin are absolutely definitive to me (I know many prefer Zimmerman), his Prokofiev 5 is special

The DG box "Pianist of The Century" is quite good... some amazing interpretations of a wide variety of repertoire... the only really poor selection in there is his Tchaikovsky no. 1 where he and Karajan appear to be doing completely separate interpretations of the same work ... outside of that, it's a good buy if you're a Richter fan
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 18, 2019, 04:17:33 PM
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Now enjoying Schubert's D894. This is my favorite performance of this work and my favorite Schubert sonata. I found out a year or so ago that it was the pianists favorite Schubert sonata as well. The sound here is quite nice and the performance is gorgeously intimate at times, at others incredibly powerful. This performance can also be found in a later issue from Richter's The Master series on Decca.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: vers la flamme on September 19, 2019, 02:56:46 AM
Quote from: George on September 18, 2019, 04:17:33 PM
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Now enjoying Schubert's D894. This is my favorite performance of this work and my favorite Schubert sonata. I found out a year or so ago that it was the pianists favorite Schubert sonata as well. The sound here is quite nice and the performance is gorgeously intimate at times, at others incredibly powerful. This performance can also be found in a later issue from Richter's The Master series on Decca.
That's my favorite Schubert sonata too, but I think Richter's recordings are just too slow for me. I prefer András Schiff on ECM, played on an early 19th century Viennese fortepiano (and this is coming from a guy who normally hates fortepianos).

In all fairness to the subject of the thread, I am a burgeoning Richter fanatic. I'm awaiting the DG box set "Pianist of the Century" with his complete (?) works for that label. I have not yet delved deeply into Richter's live or unauthorized recordings, but I do have this digital "box" set of some of his early recordings (1950s mostly, I believe):

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81R6mauJKDL._SS500_.jpg)

There's a great D960 here. Along with tons of other gems.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Jo498 on September 19, 2019, 03:46:15 AM
There is another? D 894 with Richter in a Brilliant box, also very slow (he seems even slower in this sonata than in D 960). Although I have never compared them the Brilliant box is also worth having.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 19, 2019, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 19, 2019, 03:46:15 AM
There is another? D 894 with Richter in a Brilliant box, also very slow (he seems even slower in this sonata than in D 960). Although I have never compared them the Brilliant box is also worth having.

The Brilliant is nice, but the Philips has much better sound quality. It was recorded in 1989, eleven years after the Brilliant performance.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on September 19, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
I have two,possibly the same, the authorised version and from an unpublished recording in Bologna in 1989 with some Webern, Syzmanowski, Bartok and Hindemith. Interesting programming there.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on September 19, 2019, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on September 19, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
I have two,possibly the same, the authorised version and from an unpublished recording in Bologna in 1989 with some Webern, Syzmanowski, Bartok and Hindemith. Interesting programming there.

The Authorised was recorded in London in 1989.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: staxomega on September 25, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Pat B on February 26, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
From looking over the Beethoven set (the first one I found on Presto), some of the recordings have been released on Philips and Melodiya, but there's also some stuff that was otherwise only on less-familiar labels or not at all — some from very early in his career. I'm only part way through that set.

ETA: Profil is a reputable label, but I can't help but wonder about some of these dates.

Quote from: Pat B on February 26, 2019, 04:31:34 PM
archive.org has it (https://web.archive.org/web/20110312084439/http://www.trovar.com/str/discs/index.html).

There is also a newer discography here (http://www.parnassusrecords.com/discography-the-recorded-legacy-of-sviatoslav-richter-1947-2012/) (a link on that page goes to the google doc).

Thank you, I did end up buying the Schumann/Brahms set, after comparing several of the performances to the various live releases I have I believe that Profil's dates might be accurate since there are several performances that are unique and do not match up with what I have (my collection is very far from complete, I avoid certain labels). I ended up purchasing the others. If I have time I'll compile a list of everything that is unique.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 15, 2019, 07:10:03 AM
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Now enjoying this SHM SACD set. I bought it months ago, but the excessive tape hiss and the flat, cold sound turned me off of it. Giving it another try today, I have to say the clarity is stunning. I have to turn the volume way up, as it was transferred at a low level.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on April 11, 2021, 11:24:32 AM
What is the best recording for sound and performance of him playing the complete Debussy Preludes Bk 2?
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on April 11, 2021, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 11, 2021, 11:24:32 AM
What is the best recording for sound and performance of him playing the complete Debussy Preludes Bk 2?

NOt sure if these are all complete, but if so, it's gotta be one of these:

16/6/67 - Aldeburgh - Live - BBC BBCL 4021-2 (2CD)**
14/7/67 - Spoleto - Live - TURNABOUT TV-S 34360 (LP)**
26/8/67 - Budapest - Live - PYRAMID 13507 (CD)**
17/3/68 - Prague - Live - AS disc AS 340 (CD)**
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: vers la flamme on April 12, 2021, 03:02:22 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 11, 2021, 11:24:32 AM
What is the best recording for sound and performance of him playing the complete Debussy Preludes Bk 2?

Spoleto is well worth hearing

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Can't speak for any others.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 05, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
I'd kind of forgotten why I used to like Richter so much. Then by chance I got out the Beethoven op 2/3 here in this, from 1960 - it is amazing. (And much better than the Prague performance from 1975) He really has the strength of a lion.

(https://img.discogs.com/kEiFRea8n6uu4iuDo6koAvo_qUw=/fit-in/600x594/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-13680207-1558892332-1191.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Holden on December 05, 2021, 03:45:11 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 05, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
I'd kind of forgotten why I used to like Richter so much. Then by chance I got out the Beethoven op 2/3 here in this, from 1960 - it is amazing. (And much better than the Prague performance from 1975) He really has the strength of a lion.

(https://img.discogs.com/kEiFRea8n6uu4iuDo6koAvo_qUw=/fit-in/600x594/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-13680207-1558892332-1191.jpeg.jpg)

Howard, as a huge Richter fan I'm interested in this. What's the label and where was the Op2/3 performance played. I can't find it on Qobuz but will check Spotify
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on December 05, 2021, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: Holden on December 05, 2021, 03:45:11 PM
Howard, as a huge Richter fan I'm interested in this. What's the label and where was the Op2/3 performance played. I can't find it on Qobuz but will check Spotify

Hi Holden,

The label is Music & Arts. It's on this OOP 4CD set: https://www.discogs.com/release/13680207-Sviatoslav-Richter-Concert-Performances-and-Broadcasts-1958-1976
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 05, 2021, 07:38:30 PM
I can't see an online discography, I'm pretty sure the performance is from the 1960s. PM me if you want the set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Selig on December 06, 2021, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 05, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
I'd kind of forgotten why I used to like Richter so much. Then by chance I got out the Beethoven op 2/3 here in this, from 1960 - it is amazing. (And much better than the Prague performance from 1975) He really has the strength of a lion.

According to the back cover they're both from 1975! I wonder how different they can be.

There are at least four Op 2/3s from that year then: Moscow, Prague, Blythburgh, London.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Mandryka on December 06, 2021, 01:03:50 AM
Quote from: Selig on December 06, 2021, 12:07:48 AM
According to the back cover they're both from 1975! I wonder how different they can be.

There are at least four Op 2/3s from that year then: Moscow, Prague, Blythburgh, London.

The Music and Arts is much more exciting, this may well be a question of sound - the Prague is better engineered but the perspective on the M&A is close, which is thrilling. But there is something more than that going on maybe - the durations are different, the M&A is 10 seconds longer than the Prague in the first movement.

If you listen to both I'd be interested to know what yon think.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Ras on December 06, 2021, 04:53:07 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 05, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Then by chance I got out the Beethoven op 2/3 here in this, from 1960 - it is amazing.

Be careful with Beethoven, Mandryka - you may want to invade Poland or end up in a kind of hospital where all the other inmates also think they are Napoleon!!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 06, 2021, 05:45:35 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 05, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
I'd kind of forgotten why I used to like Richter so much. Then by chance I got out the Beethoven op 2/3 here in this, from 1960 - it is amazing. (And much better than the Prague performance from 1975) He really has the strength of a lion.

(https://img.discogs.com/kEiFRea8n6uu4iuDo6koAvo_qUw=/fit-in/600x594/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-13680207-1558892332-1191.jpeg.jpg)

Quote from: Holden on December 05, 2021, 03:45:11 PM
Howard, as a huge Richter fan I'm interested in this. What's the label and where was the Op2/3 performance played. I can't find it on Qobuz but will check Spotify
Neat!  I'll have to keep an eye out for that set.  Love Richter!

As an aside, I was delighted to run across a bunch of LPs of his several months ago.  Alas, the oldest of them (forget what it was now) was below my standards condition-wise, so had to pass on it; in the end I brought home two of them:  a Bartok/Prokofiev one and a Schubert one.  I have some other ones too (mostly on DG).

PD

EDIT:  Any fans here of his Pictures at an Exhibition recording?  :)
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: MusicTurner on December 06, 2021, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 06, 2021, 05:45:35 AM
Neat!  I'll have to keep an eye out for that set.  Love Richter!

As an aside, I was delighted to run across a bunch of LPs of his several months ago.  Alas, the oldest of them (forget what it was now) was below my standards condition-wise, so had to pass on it; in the end I brought home two of them:  a Bartok/Prokofiev one and a Schubert one.  I have some other ones too (mostly on DG).

PD

EDIT:  Any fans here of his Pictures at an Exhibition recording?  :)

Yes, especially that 1958 Pictures ... actually, though the later Sofia live recording is more famous and well-known (don't know this transfer).

EDIT: It's a Budapest 1958 live one in that linked CD box.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 06, 2021, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on December 06, 2021, 11:09:40 AM
Yes, especially that 1958 Pictures ... actually, though the later Sofia live recording is more famous and well-known (don't know this transfer).
All I've heard is the live recording (have it on CD.  The sound isn't great, but the playing made my jaw drop  :) ).  Which is the recording that you were referring to MT?  Would you be so kind as to provide some details and/or images?

PD
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: MusicTurner on December 06, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
Supposedly it's the 1958 Melodiya studio recording in the box set that is linked to above ... There's been quite a lot of releases of it, I own a good-sounding Melodiya LP, and a Membran-Intense Media 10CD Richter box (233080) (plus I think it's also the one in my Regis 6CD Richter box, rrc6011, but there it just says 'first released in 1960'). Yet both have perhaps a somewhat less satisfying sound, as far as I remember ... however, that 1958 recording has a good sense of progression as well as a lot of pianistic variation and temper. The Sofia one has rather uneven sound, but also many fans. I just have it on LP. I also have an even earlier recording by Richter, but prefer the 1958.

EDIT: it's a Budapest live 1958 one in the linked box set.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 06, 2021, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: MusicTurner on December 06, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
Supposedly it's the 1958 Melodiya studio recording in the box set that is linked to above ... There's been quite a lot of releases of it, I own a good-sounding Melodiya LP, and a Membran-Intense Media 10CD Richter box (233080) (plus I think it's also the one in my Regis 6CD Richter box, rrc6011, but there it just says 'first released in 1960'). Yet both have perhaps a somewhat less satisfying sound, as far as I remember ... however, that 1958 recording has a good sense of progression as well as a lot of pianistic variation and temper. The Sofia one has rather uneven sound, but also many fans. I just have it on LP. I also have an even earlier recording by Richter, but prefer the 1958.
That Melodiya LP sounds particularly tempting!  I'll scroll up though to also look at that set.  Thank you so much for your comments.  :)

PD
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: MusicTurner on December 06, 2021, 12:23:41 PM
You're welcome. But just use 1958 as a guiding principle, probably for digital media material, since my LP was a new mint one, bought in Hungary around 1990, I think. Obviously, a good deal of the old Melodiya LPs will probably have some surface noise ... and of course, Sofia might be enough.

The earlier one I have is from Moscow 1952, a 2CD on the Andromeda label andrcd5038, just to complete the info. But not a fan of that one.

EDIT: am listening to the Membran now, sound is actually quite good.

And to clarify: Richter's studio 1958 was actually later in the year, than the 1958 Sofia recital, I read. The linked box set contains a Budapest live 1958 recording.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: premont on December 06, 2021, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: MusicTurner on December 06, 2021, 12:23:41 PM
EDIT: am listening to the Membran now, sound is actually quite good.

Yes, it usually is. Rumors tell, the it's because they have stolen the latest remastering from the original label. I have btw never seen any proof of that.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: staxomega on December 07, 2021, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 06, 2021, 05:45:35 AM
EDIT:  Any fans here of his Pictures at an Exhibition recording?  :)

Yes indeed I am a big fan of the Sofia recording now on Philips. It's the only Pictures of an Exhibition I like on piano and I've heard Cherkassky, Pogorelich, Brand and others. This needs the full tonal colors and textures of the orchestra to come alive. I think it's mainly from him taking tempos that can't be summed up very easily and even with the audience noise and live setting you can still hear him spin some color into it.
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter Sofia 1958
Post by: doremi on January 05, 2022, 10:51:27 AM
Hi there
I am new on this Richter site.
I used to be on Yahoo groups many years ago:I guess it closed down.
Lucky me-my first post about my favourite Richter record.
I bought this Philipps LP some 35 years ago-
Richter allowed its edition due to the special atmosphere !!
Regards
G
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter Sofia 1958
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 06, 2022, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: doremi on January 05, 2022, 10:51:27 AM
Hi there
I am new on this Richter site.
I used to be on Yahoo groups many years ago:I guess it closed down.
Lucky me-my first post about my favourite Richter record.
I bought this Philipps LP some 35 years ago-
Richter allowed its edition due to the special atmosphere !!
Regards
G

Nice!  And welcome to the forum!   :)

PD
Title: Re: Sviatoslav Richter
Post by: George on October 05, 2023, 10:12:08 AM
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Found this long OOP set today in mint condition for only $150!