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Hayasaka
Kabalevsky No.1
Cyril Scott No.1
Bliss Concerto for Two Pianos
Malcolm Arnold Concerto for Two Pianos
Gordon Jacob. No.1
Lennox Berkeley Concerto for Two Pianos
(one bonus choice allowed)  :)

York Bowen - Piano Concerto Nr.4 in a, Op.88
York Bowen - Piano Concerto Nr.3 in g, Op.23  'Fantasia'
York Bowen - Piano Concerto No.2 in d, Op.17
York Bowen - Piano Concerto No.1 in Eb, Op.11

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Quote from: Scion7 on May 01, 2016, 01:42:49 AM
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Blimey, I'd have never guessed you were a gerontophile.  ;D

I quite fancy the two good-looking birds behind the piano.  The brunette you should look up - she is very 'blessed.'   :-*

This picture is terrible.

Ernst Toch - Piano concerto nr 1
Hans Werner Henze - Piano concerto nr 2
Paul Hindemith - Piano concerto
Unsuk Chin - Piano concerto
Peter Dickinson - Piano concerto
Georgi Mintchev - Piano concerto

Bonus : Xenakis - Keqrops

OTOMH

Mendelssohn - Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra in A-flat major
Mendelssohn - Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra in E major
Mendelssohn - Double Concerto for Violin, Piano and String Orchestra in D minor
von Weber -  Piano Concerto No. 1 in C major
von Weber -  Piano Concerto No. 2 in E-flat major
Field - Piano Concerto No. 2 in A-flat major

Is the Britten Piano Concerto lesser-known enough? Looking over my listening log, it appears my taste in piano concertos is mainstream. I do think Tchaikovsky 2 is better than Tchaikovsky 1. And Einar Englund's first concerto is a worthy companion to the Prokofiev cycle.

Aho: Concerto No 2
Rautavaara: Concerto No 3
Amirov/Nazirova: Concerto
Englund: Concerto No 1
Szymanowski: Symphony No 4 (#1 choice and an all-time favorite, if it's obscure enough for this thread!)

I don't know why Scion7 is obsessed with posting gratuitous scantily-clad women everywhere, but it does nothing to improve the image of this forum...

CPE Bach: 6 "Hamburg Concerti" Wq 43,1-6; or for starters Wq 43,4 c minor.

Quote from: Jo498 on May 01, 2016, 07:25:17 AM
CPE Bach: 6 "Hamburg Concerti" Wq 43,1-6; or for starters Wq 43,4 c minor.

Properly speaking, not quite Piano...  ;D

Otherwise, excellent choices.  8)

Oh! I have a soft spot for the romantic cheese of Moritz Moszkowski, his concerto included.

I'll consider Poulenc and de Falla known well enough.

Nikolai Medtner - Piano Concerto No.2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4o5WhtkdJ8)
Gabriel Pierne - Piano Concerto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUjtXezU6cg&list=PL9CD326DCB1FF3725)
Alfred Schnittke - Concerto for Piano and Strings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdsTOrzsRGQ)
Toru Takemitsu - Riverrun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlP0air0zow)
Iannis Xenakis - Keqrops (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVuMDrstlY)
Alexander Mosolov - Piano Concerto No.1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5msfCKCL2Q)

Markevitch, Montsalvage or Rimsky-Korsakov could make the list some other day.

Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2016, 07:40:22 AM
Properly speaking, not quite Piano...  ;D

Right, but I don't know if they might have been played on a fortepiano occasionally back then. To my knowledge the only concerto by CPE Bach that specifies fortepiano is the less dramatic but delightful one for fortepiano AND harpsichord.
CPE Bach must be among the composer with the highest number of keyboard concertos: he wrote around 50 of them.

Interesting responses - thanks. Clearly some more for me to explore.  :)

Taneyev's incomplete Concerto?

https://www.youtube.com/v/NdxVa2TY1Gw

https://www.youtube.com/v/oxTjCD1RTWA

Quote from: Brian on May 01, 2016, 07:03:37 AM
Is the Britten Piano Concerto lesser-known enough? Looking over my listening log, it appears my taste in piano concertos is mainstream. I do think Tchaikovsky 2 is better than Tchaikovsky 1. And Einar Englund's first concerto is a worthy companion to the Prokofiev cycle.

Aho: Concerto No 2
Rautavaara: Concerto No 3
Amirov/Nazirova: Concerto
Englund: Concerto No 1
Szymanowski: Symphony No 4 (#1 choice and an all-time favorite, if it's obscure enough for this thread!)

I don't know why Scion7 is obsessed with posting gratuitous scantily-clad women everywhere, but it does nothing to improve the image of this forum...

Must look out for the Englund - thanks. I admire his music generally, especially his symphonies 1 and 2 but don't know the Piano Concerto.

One per composer:

Stravinsky - Concerto for piano and winds
Messiaen - Oiseaux exotiques
Xenakis - Synaphaï
Radulescu - The Quest
Sciarrino - Recitativo oscuro
Dusapin - A Quia

Villa-Lobos: Concerto No. 1
Litolff: Concerto symphonique No. 2 in B minor
Sauer: Concerto in E minor
Penderecki: Concerto, "Resurrection"
Busoni: Concerto in C major
Saint-Saens: Concerto No. 3 in E flat major

The S-S counts because all but No. 2 are lesser-known.

Guess this is as good a place to start as any :)

Nono: Como Una Ola De Fuerza Y Luz
Berio: Points On The Curve To Find...
Xenakis: Keqrops
Takemitsu: Asterism
Lachenmann: Ausklang
Steen-Andersen: Piano Concerto

Why six and not ten?

Quote from: Draško on May 01, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
I'll consider Poulenc and de Falla known well enough.
Nikolai Medtner - Piano Concerto No.2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4o5WhtkdJ8)

Is Medtner's 2nd still not well-known? I suppose not. In that case it's top of my list . . .

plus

Pijper
Lambert
Karamanov 3rd
Khachaturian
Orthel 4th Symphony (effectively a concerto)

Quote from: nathanb on May 05, 2016, 04:24:06 PM

Why six and not ten?

Because we are such an unpredictable and untrendy lot!

Quote from: The new erato on May 06, 2016, 12:22:35 AM
Because we are such an unpredictable and untrendy lot!

When I first joined a classical music library in the LP era (the excellent Kensington and Chelsea music library, where I made so many great discoveries - all those Melodiya LPs for starters) you could only take out three LPs at a time so I forced my dad to join which gave me six choices. So, since then I have always thought in terms of sixes.  ::)
Please feel free to choose ten however.  :)

I like some (hot) pepper and salt (combined with some tears and a prayer) in music. Often xxth century concertos deliver all those goods ...

André Jolivet - very exotico frenetico
Teruyuki Noda - miniature Messiaen
Peter Mennin - nobel, muscular, grand, with a soft heart.
Charles Wuorinen - concerto nr 3 explosive, complicated and exalted as live itself...
Albert Roussel: a little gem that nobody seems to like or play....
Bohuslav Martinu: concerto nr 5 Fantasia concertante ( the fantastic nr 4 'Incantace" isn't exactly regular fare either..)
Hilding Rosenberg: concerto 1 exiting, serious, virtuoso: a fast and a slow movement... ( a projected third movement was never realised)

And also: the two concerti by Frank Martin, Hindemith.... and many more.

Also a fine work:
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Also a beautiful, engaging work, rather in the style of Francaix:
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The poetic one by Jean Cras (1879-1932) now definitely joins my list.

Quote from: pjme on May 06, 2016, 05:42:22 AM
Charles Wuorinen - concerto nr 3 explosive, complicated and exalted as live itself...

Mighty peculiar comments on the YouTube video of this, even by YouTube's standards. One stands out: the music "makes me wanna get in my truck."

Douse Eisenga, Piano Concerto (only one so far)

Is Rawsthorne little known? His two.

Lou Harrison.

Quote from: Ken B on May 26, 2016, 01:55:42 PM

Lou Harrison.

I really like the first, third, and fourth movements of the Harrison's Piano Concerto, but felt the second movement Stampede could have been reduced down to a few minutes instead of nine minutes which, given the musical material, makes it rather tedious and overlong. I almost always skip this movement.

Quote from: Ken B on May 26, 2016, 01:55:42 PM
Douse Eisenga, Piano Concerto (only one so far)

Is Rawsthorne little known? His two.

Lou Harrison.

I especially like the Rawsthorne No.2
The CD below also features his masterpiece the 'Symphonic Studies' in its best version on CD. There are fine Naxos recordings of the piano concertos too:
[asin]B000N8UVS0[/asin]

Quote from: Mirror Image on May 26, 2016, 05:31:43 PM
I really like the first, third, and fourth movements of the Harrison's Piano Concerto, but felt the second movement Stampede could have been reduced down to a few minutes instead of nine minutes which, given the musical material, makes it rather tedious and overlong. I almost always skip this movement.

+1

Ned Rorem No.2 (I know nobody likes him around here, but this is one of his best works).
Martinu; 1st concerto...A delightful early work that is more effusive than most of his later works.
John Cage; Concerto for Prepared Piano a strong semi-early work.
Vince Persichetti; Concerto.. Long and lyrical.

Kats-Chernin Piano Concerto No.2

Korngold Piano Concerto for left hand C minor op.17

Lloyd Piano Concerto No.3

Schmidt Piano Concerto for left Hand E major

Clara Schumann Piano Concerto A minor

Valen Piano Concerto op.42

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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 13, 2016, 12:45:38 PM
Kats-Chernin Piano Concerto No.2

Korngold Piano Concerto for left hand C minor op.17

Lloyd Piano Concerto No.3

Schmidt Piano Concerto for left Hand E major

Clara Schumann Piano Concerto A minor

Valen Piano Concerto op.42

The Lloyd is very fine - an epic work which reminds me of Khachaturian. I like the Korngold too but don't know the others. What's the Kats-Chernin like Sarge? I see that she has composed a lot of film scores.

Quote from: vandermolen on July 16, 2016, 12:32:50 AMWhat's the Kats-Chernin like Sarge? I see that she has composed a lot of film scores.

Easier to post this than describe it.

https://www.youtube.com/v/bUQyVuon9yo

Sarge

http://www.youtube.com/v/vC3qQpyp4rI

"The Bostonians just couldn't accept ...."

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2016, 04:28:01 AM
Easier to post this than describe it.

https://www.youtube.com/v/bUQyVuon9yo

Sarge

Lovely work. Thanks for posting Sarge.
Is it on CD?

Quote from: vandermolen on July 18, 2016, 09:27:29 AM
Lovely work. Thanks for posting Sarge.
Is it on CD?

It is, coupled with the very attractive ballet suite Wild Swans:

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Sarge

Quote from: Rons_talking on July 13, 2016, 11:32:25 AM
Ned Rorem No.2 (I know nobody likes him around here, but this is one of his best works).
Martinu; 1st concerto...A delightful early work that is more effusive than most of his later works.
John Cage; Concerto for Prepared Piano a strong semi-early work.
Vince Persichetti; Concerto.. Long and lyrical.

I like the Rorem.

Listened to the Persichetti three times last night. Good work!

I don't know how obscure my choices are, but anyway here it goes:

Pfitzner - Piano concerto in E flat major
Paderewski - Piano concerto in A minor
Elmas - Piano concerto No. 3
Sgambati - Piano concerto in G minor
Kilar - Piano concerto
Castelnuovo-Tedesco - Piano concerto No. 2 in F major

Bonus choice:
Feinberg - Piano concerto No. 3 in C minor

Quote from: SymphonicAddict on August 16, 2018, 01:50:56 PM
I don't know how obscure my choices are, but anyway here it goes:

Pfitzner - Piano concerto in E flat major
Paderewski - Piano concerto in A minor
Elmas - Piano concerto No. 3
Sgambati - Piano concerto in G minor
Kilar - Piano concerto
Castelnuovo-Tedesco - Piano concerto No. 2 in F major

Bonus choice:
Feinberg - Piano concerto No. 3 in C minor

I'd say those are obscure enough!  ;) I know the Paderewski and Castelnuovo-Tedesco concerti which I enjoy greatly, as well as the Sgambati which I don't think as highly of.

Doesn't look like I've posted yet in this thread. Here goes:


Alwyn - Piano Concerto no. 2 (neo-romantic with a gorgeous slow movement)
Englund - Piano Concertos nos. 1 and 2 (cheated 'cause I couldn't choose between them - exciting and atmospheric works in a Prokofiev/Bartok mould)
Liebermann - Piano Concerto no. 2 (an epic work - one of the best compositions I know by a living composer)
Rodrigo - Concierto heroico (one of Rodrigo's finest works; has a moving slow movement)
Röntgen - Piano Concerto no. 2 (freshly lyrical in a Brahms/Grieg mould; no. 4 is great too)
Sauer - Piano Concerto no. 1 (gorgeous and tuneful - there's no reason it shouldn't be standard repertoire; it's become one of my very favorite works)


I second the Paderewski and Castelnuovo-Tedesco choices by SymphonicAddict. Also, an honorable mention to Merikanto's PC no. 3 for its heavenly slow movement. I suppose the Medtner concerti might qualify as too "well-known"; in case they don't, I'd nominate the gorgeous no. 3 (all 3 are great).

Quote from: kyjo on August 16, 2018, 04:04:02 PM
Doesn't look like I've posted yet in this thread. Here goes:


Alwyn - Piano Concerto no. 2 (neo-romantic with a gorgeous slow movement)
Englund - Piano Concertos nos. 1 and 2 (cheated 'cause I couldn't choose between them - exciting and atmospheric works in a Prokofiev/Bartok mould)
Liebermann - Piano Concerto no. 2 (an epic work - one of the best compositions I know by a living composer)
Rodrigo - Concierto heroico (one of Rodrigo's finest works; has a moving slow movement)
Röntgen - Piano Concerto no. 2 (freshly lyrical in a Brahms/Grieg mould; no. 4 is great too)
Sauer - Piano Concerto no. 1 (gorgeous and tuneful - there's no reason it shouldn't be standard repertoire; it's become one of my very favorite works)


I second the Paderewski and Castelnuovo-Tedesco choices by SymphonicAddict. Also, an honorable mention to Merikanto's PC no. 3 for its heavenly slow movement. I suppose the Medtner concerti might qualify as too "well-known"; in case they don't, I'd nominate the gorgeous no. 3 (all 3 are great).

Great choices. I know them all except the Liebermann, which seems interesting. I wasn't surprised by the Merikanto, but was worth listening. The 3 by Medtner are definitely great and slightly obscure.

I can't think of six offhand that haven't been mentioned already but can definitely recommend Tveitt's Piano Concerto No 4 'Aurora Borealis'.  On a Naxos disc it comes coupled with the Variations on a Folksong from Hardanger for two pianos and orchestra - Havard Gimse and Gunilla Sussmann (pianos) with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra conducted by Bjarte Engeset

How about all 6 concertos from Alexander Tcherepnin ?

We can start with #1 !  8)

YouTube for some reason does not have the complete work, so go to Daily Motion:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4j4ckh (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4j4ckh)

Hartmann, Cto for piano, winds & percussion (which, coincidentally, I just revisited a couple of days ago)
Wuorinen, Piano Concerto #4 (heard the première in Symphony Hall, great, great piece)
Copland — for Copland, this is an obscure piece
Bernstein, Age of Anxiety Symphony (a pf cto in all but name)
Stravinsky, Cto for piano & winds — for Igor Fyodorovich, this is an obscure piece
Hindemith, Konzertmusik, Op.49 for pf, brass & two harps (the most brilliant Hindemith work that too few of us know)

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 17, 2018, 04:16:01 AM
Hartmann, Cto for piano, winds & percussion (which, coincidentally, I just revisited a couple of days ago)
Wuorinen, Piano Concerto #4 (heard the première in Symphony Hall, great, great piece)
Copland — for Copland, this is an obscure piece
Bernstein, Age of Anxiety Symphony (a pf cto in all but name)
Stravinsky, Cto for piano & winds — for Igor Fyodorovich, this is an obscure piece
Hindemith, Konzertmusik, Op.49 for pf, brass & two harps (the most brilliant Hindemith work that too few of us know)

Great choices!  I first heard the Stravinsky in high school and loaned the record to some friends who were big on Stravinsky.   One of my favorites!

I recall watching Aaron Copland play this concerto on television: my grandmother (a fine pianist) found it too avant-garde, but I was enthused!

The broadcast has been preserved:

https://www.youtube.com/v/vC3qQpyp4rI

Quote from: Biffo on August 17, 2018, 01:14:12 AM
I can't think of six offhand that haven't been mentioned already but can definitely recommend Tveitt's Piano Concerto No 4 'Aurora Borealis'.  On a Naxos disc it comes coupled with the Variations on a Folksong from Hardanger for two pianos and orchestra - Havard Gimse and Gunilla Sussmann (pianos) with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra conducted by Bjarte Engeset

The Tveitt PC 4 is a great work - magical and atmospheric. I could've included it in my list.

Quote from: kyjo on August 16, 2018, 04:04:02 PM
Englund - Piano Concertos nos. 1 and 2 (cheated 'cause I couldn't choose between them - exciting and atmospheric works in a Prokofiev/Bartok mould)

Listened to PC 1 last night, Sivelov/Panula/Naxos and Raekallio/Klas/Ondine.  The latter seems greatly superior to me, better sonics and Raekallio's playing is magical.

Quote from: Cato on August 17, 2018, 02:58:03 AM
How about all 6 concertos from Alexander Tcherepnin ?

We can start with #1 !  8)

YouTube for some reason does not have the complete work, so go to Daily Motion:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4j4ckh (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4j4ckh)

The Second Piano Concerto: YouTube offers only a taste of 4 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/v/ofr190nQCwo

Quote from: Daverz on August 17, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
Listened to PC 1 last night, Sivelov/Panula/Naxos and Raekallio/Klas/Ondine.  The latter seems greatly superior to me, better sonics and Raekallio's playing is magical.

Yes, that Ondine recording of the Englund PCs is great. Raekallio is a really fine pianist.

I like:
1. Rautavaara piano concertos
2. Kevin Puts'
3. George Lloyd's
4. Alwyn's
4. Arnold Bax's
5. Lee Actor's
5. Peter Maxwell Davies
5. Atterberg's
5. Tomas Svoboda's
6. Lowell Liebermann's
6. Carl Vines
6. Shchedrin's


There, those are my six.

Quote from: relm1 on August 18, 2018, 06:04:44 AM
I like:
1. Rautavaara piano concertos
2. Kevin Puts'
3. George Lloyd's
4. Alwyn's
4. Arnold Bax's
5. Lee Actor's
5. Peter Maxwell Davies
5. Atterberg's
5. Tomas Svoboda's
6. Lowell Liebermann's
6. Carl Vines
6. Shchedrin's


There, those are my six.

Haha  :)
I don't know all of them but like those that I do know.
Would add this one to my list now and Rawsthorne's No.2 which is actually reasonably well known but a wonderful score:
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Not sure how lesser known these are:
Henze : Tristan
Manuel Ponce : 2nd PC
Hindemith: The Four Temperaments
Wuorinen : PC 3

JL Dussek - No.7 (?) Op.49 in g minor
CV Alkan - Concerto for piano solo Op.39 nos.8-10
A Ginastera - No.1 (also No.2)
P Hindemith - Kammermusik No.2 Op.36 no.1
F Busoni - Op.36 in C major
KS Sorabji - Concerto per suonare da me solo
I Stravinsky - Movements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFCm1m2626Y

Quote from: relm1 on September 15, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFCm1m2626Y

Vladigerov's five are all worth hearing -- I call bs on those that say he lost his edge after the third.  Another Bulgarian to keep an eye out for is Veselin Stoyanov, whose 1st PC is... quite a statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxGcywd-bnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k_wtoaZF8g

Quote from: schnittkease on September 15, 2018, 06:07:39 PM
Vladigerov's five are all worth hearing -- I call bs on those that say he lost his edge after the third.  Another Bulgarian to keep an eye out for is Veselin Stoyanov, whose 1st PC is... quite a statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxGcywd-bnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k_wtoaZF8g

I have one CD of his music featuring PC 3 which I enjoyed.

I discovered these concertos on the Internet .

Svetislav Božić - Metohijska pojanja (Chants of Metohija) is warmly lyrical and I find it utterly lovely.

https://www.youtube.com/v/x-2078stCVM

Théo Ysaÿe's 1907 concerto has all the glitter, sentiment and grandeur of those pre- WWI years. Magnifique et raffiné!

https://www.youtube.com/v/m1T3bHXKFDQ

Leo Smit wrote a short fun piece in 1937 for piano and winds. Both Stravinsky and Milhaud (possibly Willem Pijper) smilingly agree....

https://www.youtube.com/v/AD7H8B7AWns

Vasif Adigezalov: surely, a la manière de Katchaturian and Rachmaninov. But those languorous "exotic" melodies are  intoxicating ....

https://www.youtube.com/v/jnb5JZKt9FU

P.

Two more rarities will follow soon...

Quote from: pjme on October 16, 2018, 01:49:40 AM
I discovered these concertos on the Internet .

Svetislav Božić - Metohijska pojanja (Chants of Metohija) is warmly lyrical and I find it utterly lovely.

Another decent piano concerto by Serbian composer is Stanojlo Rajicic's 3rd. A bit more dramatic than Bozic's.

https://www.youtube.com/v/oAdvNLHkYMw

Yes - that is a very interesting work. the Serbian composers website is full of good discoveries anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIo2x4lsZwUA9O4YXa0uPGQ

I almost forgot Gabriela Montero's Latin concerto - its a riot! She's really an extraordinary musician.

https://www.youtube.com/v/E0s-0rOK6zM

Hector Gonzalez "Fantasia for piano and orchestra - Homenaje a Ginastera"  also swings as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/v/8s-qZ9yPBPs

P.

Quote from: pjme on October 16, 2018, 02:44:43 AM
Yes - that is a very interesting work. the Serbian composers website is full of good discoveries anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIo2x4lsZwUA9O4YXa0uPGQ

Definitely. Especially because 90% of music on that channel is not available in any other way or form.