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Title: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Rhymenoceros on October 09, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
I play a weird game with my friend where I make him identify composers by portrait/picture.  It's both fun and difficult trying to stump him.  The only time I managed to do it is when I accidentally chose this image below (which didn't seem right at the time being in color!)

(https://imgur.com/abfEFf1.jpg)

Seriously, who would have known there's more than one Engelbert Humperdinck?!?

Anyway, I'll go first, with the image below:

(https://imgur.com/nY8STuP.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Brian on October 09, 2017, 01:40:09 PM
Hah! By a crazy coincidence I'm listening to him right now!!

(https://i.imgur.com/Vzd4U1Y.png)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Brian on October 09, 2017, 01:43:35 PM
Guess it's my turn...

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1920x1080/p01h0ym5.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 09, 2017, 03:53:45 PM
Hah! By a crazy coincidence I'm listening to him right now!!

(https://i.imgur.com/Vzd4U1Y.png)

Back before even Brian joined on, which is to say when Christ was still just a carpenter, I used to play a game here where I changed the picture of my avatar to a different composer as often as need be until someone nailed it. It was kinda fun, actually.  Brian's screenshot sucks, but I'm guessing that was Glinka there... :)

8)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 09, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
Guess it's my turn...

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1920x1080/p01h0ym5.jpg)

Can you give us a hint, Brian?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 09, 2017, 07:03:59 PM
While we’re waiting for Brian’s hint, here’s mine:

(http://www.terezinmusic.org/uploads/1/2/5/8/12580022/2718522_orig.jpg)

I’ll give you guys a hint: he died in a concentration camp during WWII.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 09, 2017, 07:08:38 PM
While we’re waiting for Brian’s hint, here’s mine:

(http://www.terezinmusic.org/uploads/1/2/5/8/12580022/2718522_orig.jpg)

I’ll give you guys a hint: he died in a concentration camp during WWII.

Erwin Schulhoff. It was easy  8)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 09, 2017, 07:30:53 PM
Erwin Schulhoff. It was easy  8)

Yes, indeed! Although I could have pictured Ullmann, Haas, Krása, or Klein. ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 10, 2017, 06:08:56 AM
Who’s this composer?

(http://newyorkclassicalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/r620-8af20c83b54f72290ffff6342dd540f5.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Brian on October 10, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
Christopher Rouse!

I think the background of the picture I posted should be a substantial hint. Another thought: "studio" has meaning in several different businesses.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 10, 2017, 07:32:10 AM
Christopher Rouse!

I think the background of the picture I posted should be a substantial hint. Another thought: "studio" has meaning in several different businesses.

Yes, indeed. It’s Rouse.

I’m still clueless as to the composer in your photo, Brian. I’ve seen plenty of composers sit in front of mixing boards.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Brian on October 10, 2017, 07:37:00 AM
If everyone is still stumped in 6 hours I will post a much more substantial hint.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: GioCar on October 10, 2017, 08:26:24 AM
Can we use google image search?  >:D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Brian on October 10, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
Can we use google image search?  >:D
That would be cheating!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 10, 2017, 12:59:03 PM
I thinks we've seen Miklós Rózsa (Budapest 1907 – Hollywood 1995) here before; at least, I saw his picure recently. Somewhere.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Brian on October 10, 2017, 01:22:17 PM
Bingo! Christo's turn, now :)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 11, 2017, 11:43:54 AM
Romantic composer of a few symphonies, the last one epic:
(http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=urn:gvn:SFA03:SFA022800435&size=large)
Hint: his name is in the balconies' gallery of the Royal Concertgebouw in Amsterdam:
(https://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/media/ontmoet_het_orkest/ensembles/concertgebouw-kamerorkest-1920x1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 11, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
Bernard Zweers ! Impossible to find without that hint... >:D , although I have his 3rd symphony, "to my Fatherland", I had no idea what he looked like !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 11, 2017, 12:09:21 PM
My turn:

(https://www.musicologie.org/Biographies/g/gouvy_theodore.jpg)

This composer was born and died in Germany, although he didn't consider himself German.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 11, 2017, 12:10:33 PM
My turn:

(https://www.musicologie.org/Biographies/g/gouvy_theodore.jpg)

This composer was born and died in Germany, although he didn't consider himself German.

Theodore Gouvy
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 11, 2017, 12:17:58 PM
Bravo ! Gouvy was born in Saarland, a disputed territory. The composer always wanted to be recognized as a frenchman.

Your turn, Andreï !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 11, 2017, 12:19:08 PM
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bla-viktor-jnos-bartk-hungarian-composer-pianist-and-as-a-child-picture-id122220602)

Hint: his work has no less than three catalogue indexes but only two are usual.

EDIT: I'm off to bed. If someone guesses him (which can be verified with Google Image Search, but please don't cheat), feel free to post a new one without waiting for my approval.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 11, 2017, 03:05:12 PM
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bla-viktor-jnos-bartk-hungarian-composer-pianist-and-as-a-child-picture-id122220602)

Hint: his work has no less than three catalogue indexes but only two are usual.

EDIT: I'm off to bed. If someone guesses him (which can be verified with Google Image Search, but please don't cheat), feel free to post a new one without waiting for my approval.

He looks like a very young Bartók.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 11, 2017, 06:15:52 PM
He looks like a very young Bartók.

Yep, it’s Bartók most definitely. Your turn!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 11, 2017, 08:57:09 PM
Yep, it’s Bartók most definitely. Your turn!

Yep! Where has he gone?  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 12, 2017, 11:20:07 AM
Yep! Where has he gone?  :D

I'm here! Well, this is my candidate.

Hint: He just composed an opera, but not very famous.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 12, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
I'm here! Well, this is my candidate.

Hint: He just composed an opera, but not very famous.

You must provide a magnifier.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 12, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
I'm here! Well, this is my candidate.

(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27494.0;attach=52505;image)

Hint: He just composed an opera, but not very famous.
Mmmm...he actually composed three operas (but only one has been recorded AFAIK).   
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 12, 2017, 12:52:53 PM
Mmmm...he actually composed three operas (but only one has been recorded AFAIK).

I was corroborating that information. True, there is a single opera recorded and two others that are not. Then you know the composer, it's your turn!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 12, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
I was corroborating that information. True, there is a single opera recorded and two others that are not. Then you know the composer, it's your turn!
:) OK then...I was going to say something of orchestral scores being destroyed in a fire at the beginning of WW1 (a fire in which the composer himself died), but that would have perhaps been too much of a hint.... yes, it's Alberic Magnard.

Who can this be?

(http://www.classical.net/music/images/composer/d/dallapiccola.jpg)

One could think he's a HvK lookalike here, but AFAIK,  the Austrian never performed any of this composer's music (Lenny OTOH did record one of his works).
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 12, 2017, 02:02:31 PM
:) OK then...I was going to say something of orchestral scores being destroyed in a fire at the beginning of WW1 (a fire in which the composer himself died), but that would have perhaps been too much of a hint.... yes, it's Alberic Magnard.

Who can this be?

(http://www.classical.net/music/images/composer/d/dallapiccola.jpg)

One could think he's a HvK lookalike here, but AFAIK,  the Austrian never performed any of this composer's music (Lenny OTOH did record one of his works).
It's Dallapiccola!

I'll just leave the next riddle option open for anyone who would like posting here.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 12, 2017, 06:39:38 PM
I guess I’ll post a composer...

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 12, 2017, 06:40:37 PM
If someone can’t guess who it is, then I’ll be happy to provide a clue as to who it could be.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 13, 2017, 12:00:09 AM
I guess I’ll post a composer...

That one is a bit tough. Concerning the life-span of the composer, it reasonable to assume that the photo was taken say between 1920-1950?

And it´s funny how he looks somewhat like Dukas or S-Saens, without being them -
is it reasonable to assume that the composer is perhaps from a French- or maybe German-speaking territory?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 13, 2017, 12:09:32 AM
It's Dallapiccola!
Indeed, Luigi Dallapiccola.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2017, 01:48:14 AM
there is something Byrd like about his facial hair.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 13, 2017, 02:01:52 AM
Okay, I cheated.

That one is a bit tough. Concerning the life-span of the composer, it reasonable to assume that the photo was taken say between 1920-1950?

Yes.

Quote
And it´s funny how he looks somewhat like Dukas or S-Saens, without being them -
is it reasonable to assume that the composer is perhaps from a French- or maybe German-speaking territory?

His look is indeed quite French, but no.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2017, 04:02:46 AM
Bernard Zweers ! Impossible to find without that hint... >:D , although I have his 3rd symphony, "to my Fatherland", I had no idea what he looked like !
Right and yes, was referring to his Third ('Aan mijn Vaderland'). This is a better-know portrait:
(http://hannieheeres.nl/bernardus_josephus_wilhelmus_zweers__portret_.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2017, 04:04:36 AM
I guess I’ll post a composer...
I didn't check, but his looks are very similar to Bantock's.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 13, 2017, 06:30:15 AM
I was corroborating that information. True, there is a single opera recorded and two others that are not. Then you know the composer, it's your turn!

Well, aren't we allowed to know who you're talking about ?  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 13, 2017, 06:52:39 AM
I didn't check, but his looks are very similar to Bantock's.

I'm not Mirror Image but I say: it's your turn, Johann!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 13, 2017, 08:17:11 AM
I didn't check, but his looks are very similar to Bantock's.

So is Bantock your final answer? ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 13, 2017, 09:23:55 AM
Well, aren't we allowed to know who you're talking about ?  :D
It's Alberic Magnard.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
So is Bantock your final answer? ;)
I swear, solemnly. Sir Granville Bantock.

I'm not Mirror Image but I say: it's your turn, Johann!
Yours truly; spelled with one h more than in Romanian, but one n less than in German.  ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 13, 2017, 07:46:05 PM
I swear, solemnly. Sir Granville Bantock.

Then you would be correct, good sir! 8)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
Okay, the man on the right: here in 1907 during a stay with Edvard and Nina Grieg at Troldhaugen and with Percy Grainger behind the wine:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Gruppebilde_av_Edvard_og_Nina_Grieg%2C_Percy_Grainger_og_Julius_Röntgen%2C_1907_%287201578542%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 04:31:05 AM
He looks like this guy:

(http://i.prs.to/images/composers/langgaard.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2017, 07:05:15 AM
He looks like this guy:

(http://i.prs.to/images/composers/langgaard.jpg)
Perhaps he does. But no, he's not Rued always-too-short-trousers Langgaard (and actually one generation older).
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2017, 07:46:24 AM
Could you give us a hint, Christo?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2017, 08:04:04 AM
Could you give us a hint, Christo?
The first hint was already given: the man was a personal friend of the Griegs:
the man on the right: here in 1907 during a stay with Edvard and Nina Grieg at Troldhaugen
The second: he was a personal friend of Brahms too.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
The first hint was already given: the man was a personal friend of the Griegs:The second: he was a personal friend of Brahms too.
Violinist ?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
Violinist ?
See this thread's subject.  :D But he was also a famous pianist and conductor.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 10:27:49 AM
No, another dutch composer with his name on the Concertgebouw balcony... :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2017, 10:28:43 AM
No, another dutch composer with his name on the Concertgebouw balcony... :D
Correct: third hint.  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 10:29:27 AM
Initial J.R., but not an Ewing... :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
Initial J.R., but not an Ewing... :laugh:
Nor Julia Roberts, Judge Reinhold or Jack Robinson.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: vandermolen on October 14, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
Deleted my messages.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:07:01 AM
Ok, no answer from the audience, so I'll say it: Julius Röntgen, familiar to collectors of his symphonies on the CPO label, and cousin of the famous physician.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:10:30 AM
Can you identify this good looking dude ?

(https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/silvestre-revueltas-3.jpg)

Hint: he didn't keep his good looks very long and died at a young age.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2017, 11:15:07 AM
Deleted my messages.
Guess André's mystery composer and you have every right to test our knowledge of 'four symphony composers' again.  :D ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
He appeared briefly as a bar piano player in the movie ¡Vámonos con Pancho Villa!
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 11:29:55 AM
He appeared briefly as a bar piano player in the movie ¡Vámonos con Pancho Villa!
and when the shooting begins he holds up a sign reading "Please don't shoot at the piano player"

A phrase which served later as the title of Truffaut film.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 11:34:34 AM
Can you identify this good looking dude ?

(https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/silvestre-revueltas-3.jpg)

Hint: he didn't keep his good looks very long and died at a young age.
Isn't that García Lorca ? He did arrange some folk music, but calling him a composer is a bit far-fetched perhaps.  :)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 11:35:33 AM
Isn't that García Lorca ? He did arrange some folk music, but calling him a composer is a bit far-fetched perhaps.  :)

Well done, didn´t occur to me.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:36:55 AM
No, he's a full-fledged composer and Spineur got him ! I had to check as I wasn't aware of that bit of casting.

Come on, Spineur: say the name !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 11:41:36 AM
Mmmm...there's something fishy going on here...this is definitely  Federico García Lorca...it's actually one of his most well-known portraits... ::)

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Lets keep the game going for a little longer.  Mirror Image is his biggest admirer here, but not to the point of making him his avatar.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:44:12 AM
Mmmm...there's something fishy going on here...this is definitely  Federico García Lorca...it's actually one of his most well-known portraits... ::)

I don't know about that. I picked the image in a gallery with the mystery composer's name, and it had his name (not Garcia Lorca's) underneath, with a link to an article about the composer... Google mix up, maybe ?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 11:45:44 AM
I don't know about that. I picked the image in a gallery with the mystery composer's name, and it had his name (not Garcia Lorca's) underneath, with a ling to an article about the composer... Google mix up, maybe ?
Possibly....but be that as it may, that's Lorca...   ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:46:30 AM
Double check: you appear to be right, and so am I.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:48:30 AM
Definitely a google mistake, then, sorry for the confusion. OK, let's end it here: we're looking for Silvestre Revueltas, and Spineur got the movie bit right, so I guess we'll call that one pat !
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Definitely a google mistake, then, sorry for the confusion. OK, let's end it here: we're looking for Silvestre Revueltas, and Spineur got the movie bit right, so I guess we'll call that one pat !
Lets at least give his most famous picture

(http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/sites/default/files/styles/paragraph_image_large_desktop_2x/public/revueltas_3.jpg)

He was a concert violinist before starting his composition carrier.  He also composed a few film score among which the Pancho Villa, where he plays as an actor.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 11:55:12 AM
Lets at least give his most famous picture

(http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/sites/default/files/styles/paragraph_image_large_desktop_2x/public/revueltas_3.jpg)

He was a concert violinist before starting his composition carrier.  He also composed a few film score among which the Pancho Villa, where he plays as an actor.
Interesting composer...but he looks nothing like Lorca's picture... :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 11:55:38 AM
Maybe André should present a new composer?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 11:57:37 AM
Maybe André should present a new composer?
Seconded... :)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 11:58:51 AM
Well, I did notice he looked different from the other pics in the gallery, but I thought that was before he grew a mustache and put on weight  :laugh:. But seriously, if you google Revueltas and go to images, this pic is right there. And when you click on the link below, it brings you straight to a Revueltas biography. Oh, well... :-[

I'll let Spineur and Ritter toss and decide !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
This could drag out ... here´s a new one which you may not know, but you´ll probably remember his looks from now, for the rest of your life.

He´s from somewhere in Central Europe. And there´s only one of him.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 12:18:13 PM
This could drag out ... here´s a new one which you may not know, but you´ll probably remember his looks from now, for the rest of your life.

He´s from somewhere in Central Europe. And there´s only one of him.
Friedrich Cerha having a bad hair day?   ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:19:00 PM
Friedrich Cerha having a bad hair day?   ;D

Good suggestion, but no. He has written a work supposedly including a bathtub.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 12:26:02 PM
No kitchen sink ?
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Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
The Alban Berg Quartet recorded at least one of his string quartets, on EMI.
Orfeo and DG are among the other labels recording works by him.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:27:45 PM
No kitchen sink ?

I can´t say, since it´s probably up to the scenic staging too.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 12:29:34 PM
I don't have the foggiest idea  :-[
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
Polish ?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
Yes, finding just one in the bunch can be difficult, unless you know it.

Not Polish.
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Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:33:29 PM
Austrian.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
But born in Bern and also lived in Germany, yet considered Austrian mainly.

Mainly known for operas. A good deal of string quartets. Some orchestral works too.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 12:42:30 PM
Aha! And his mother sued Wagner's granddaughter?  ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:50:14 PM
Aha! And his mother sued Wagner's granddaughter?  ;)

She certainly knew some of the Wagners personally, so that might have been the case.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
She certainly knew some of the Wagners personally, so that might have been the case.
Gottfired von Einem?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 14, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
Gottfired von Einem?

Yes! ;D (who wrote "Danton´s Tod")
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
His mother, Gerta, Baronin von Einem, sued Friedelind Wagner because the latter sold in the US some jewellery she had been asked to smuggle out of Nazi Germany, and apparently never handed over the proceeds to the von Einem's (using the money instead to help her survive in her American exile. I don't remember how it all ended...


My turn, I guess...


(https://www.elregalomusical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/martin-y-soler.jpg)

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 01:16:02 PM
Isn't this the Golden Fleece Order on his lapel ?
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Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
Isn't this the Golden Fleece Order on his lapel ?
Doesn't look like it to me...but it could well be  ;)
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 01:24:43 PM
I wonder what he is holding in his left hand.  I would guess eighteen century outfit, a musician of a royal court.
Actually a very nice painting.  The dark blue/green background makes a beautiful contrast with the flashy colors of the outfit.  I would say he is not french because a composer would never be allowed to wear such a flashy coat at a french court.
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Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 01:27:39 PM
I wonder what he is holding in his left hand.  I would guess eighteen century outfit, a musician of a royal court.
More than just one court...born next to the Mediterranean, died at the other end of Europe (next to another sea)

He's not French...

Mainly known for his operas
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 01:39:29 PM
More than just one court...born next to the Mediterranean, died at the other end of Europe (next to another sea)

He's not French...

Mainly known for his operas
From this hint he must have spent some time at Catherine the  Great court.
Did he composed Fedul s det’mi ?
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Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
From this hint he must have spent some time at Catherine the  Great court.
Did he composed Fedul s det’mi ?
Yes...name?   ;)

Probably best known because one of his operas is quoted in one of the greatest operas of all time (both operas have the same librettist)... ;)
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 01:43:52 PM
Yes...name?   ;)
Vincente Martin y Soler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Mart%C3%ADn_y_Soler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Mart%C3%ADn_y_Soler)

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Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
Vincente Martin y Soler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Mart%C3%ADn_y_Soler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Mart%C3%ADn_y_Soler)
Very good... Your turn, cher ami.  :)
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 01:56:45 PM
I am going to bed, but before I will post the picture just before I do.

He is an extremely well known composer and a universally loved one on GMG.  The pictures below are not his most famous one, so maybe his name may not pop up at once, although I am not sure.
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Post by: ritter on October 14, 2017, 01:58:58 PM
I am going to bed, but before I will post the picture just before I do.

He is an extremely well known composer and a universally loved one on GMG.  The pictures below are not his most famous one, so maybe his name may not pop up at once, although I am not sure.
Looks very familiar...but I'm going to bed as well...bonne nuit!
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Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 02:45:27 PM
Russian?
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 14, 2017, 03:22:16 PM
I am going to bed, but before I will post the picture just before I do.

He is an extremely well known composer and a universally loved one on GMG.  The pictures below are not his most famous one, so maybe his name may not pop up at once, although I am not sure.

I recognize him. Italian, a very intriguing composer: Ferruccio Busoni!
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Post by: André on October 14, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
I was fooled by the fur coat  :D.
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Post by: Spineur on October 14, 2017, 07:13:52 PM
I recognize him. Italian, a very intriguing composer: Ferruccio Busoni!
Yes indeed and André did recommend to us his chaconne transcription over and over. I bought that disc after his recommendation.
He was a child prodigy born in a music familly.  He performed for Franz Liszt and was influence by Bach contrapunktic style.  Toward the end of his live he explored microtonal music.  He was a promoter of Schoenberg and contemporary music. Although he is best known for his piano music he composed a couple operas Dr Faustus and Turandot.  He lived mostly in germany but spent some time in a number of countries including united states.  He was a renowned professor and wrote several books.

Your turn Symphonic Addict
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Post by: Christo on October 15, 2017, 02:18:56 AM
Can you identify this good looking dude ?

(https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/silvestre-revueltas-3.jpg)

Hint: he didn't keep his good looks very long and died at a young age.
I actually knew it is Revueltas immediately, but didn't have time to post. Does that count?  :D
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Post by: ritter on October 15, 2017, 06:23:04 AM
I actually knew it is Revueltas immediately, but didn't have time to post. Does that count?  :D
No, it doesn't count, because it's not Revueltas...it's Lorca...LORCA!!!!  >:( >:D :laugh:

Investigating a bit, this picture appears but once, when one looks for images of Silvestre Revueltas in Google,  in the fourth row of the search results. It takes you to the page: https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/silvestre-revueltas-350.php, which in turn credits it to http://www.theaterjones.com/ntx/reviews/20150522150131/2015-05-22/Fort-Worth-Symphony-Orchestra/Rach-2, a review of a 2015 concert in Fort Worth that featured Sensemayá. (NB: I got to this using my smartphone. If I try to do it from my computer, the alleged "image credit" leads me to a--really hard--porn site  ???  :D).

Surprisingly, in that concert review, that image does not appear, but rather one of Revueltas himself. I imagine at some point, someone had a mix-up, originating from Revuleltas's composition Homenaje a Federico García Lorca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homenaje_a_Federico_Garc%C3%ADa_Lorca).

Sorry guys, but this is an iconic photo of one of Spain's greatest poets and playwrights, so let's clear this confusion once and for all... :)
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Post by: André on October 15, 2017, 10:25:38 AM
Homenaje is a splendid piece, BTW  ;).
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Post by: Christo on October 15, 2017, 10:47:39 AM
In short:
Your turn Symphonic Addict
  ;D
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 15, 2017, 12:38:08 PM
Well, let's see...

How about this guy?

Hint: He was a baroque composer. He composed some concerti grossi, orchestral suites, sonatas, operas, etc. I don't know any special work by him. He's not as unknown as we can think.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2017, 03:43:04 PM
Well, let's see...

How about this guy?

Hint: He was a baroque composer. He composed some concerti grossi, orchestral suites, sonatas, operas, etc. I don't know any special work by him. He's not as unknown as we can think.

Looks like Jean-Féry Rebel to me.
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Post by: Spineur on October 15, 2017, 05:04:14 PM
Looks like Jean-Féry Rebel to me.
I just recognized him and it is not Jean-Féry Rebel.  He is french alright but was not born there.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2017, 05:08:55 PM
I just recognized him and it is not Jean-Féry Rebel.  He is french alright but was not born there.

So who’s your guess, Spineur?
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Post by: André on October 15, 2017, 05:11:22 PM
Italian. Knew Molière well.
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Post by: Spineur on October 15, 2017, 05:14:27 PM
Italian. Knew Molière well.
Yes born in italy and he died of a professional injury.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2017, 05:18:52 PM
So are we actually going to say the composer’s name? :-\
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Post by: Spineur on October 15, 2017, 05:32:57 PM
So are we actually going to say the composer’s name? :-\
Jean Baptiste Lully/Giovanni Baptista Luli
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Post by: André on October 15, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
Composed music for Molière plays, like Le Bourgeois gentilhomme. Both men cordially detested each other.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2017, 05:38:06 PM
Jean Baptiste Lully/Giovanni Baptista Luli

Thank you! My knowledge of Baroque Era composers is quite limited, especially when it comes to what these composers actually look like. :)
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Post by: Spineur on October 15, 2017, 05:43:56 PM
Thank you! My knowledge of Baroque Era composers is quite limited, especially when it comes to what these composers actually look like. :)
About his death: during a rehearsal he got upset and wanting to express his displeasure by knocking his direction cane on the floor he hit his foot really hard instead.  Without antibiotics gangrene did set in and he died at age 54.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
About his death: during a rehearsal he got upset and wanting to express his displeasure by knocking his direction cane on the floor he hit his foot really hard instead.  Without antibiotics gangrene did set in and he died at age 54.

Damn! Horrible way to go.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 15, 2017, 07:35:20 PM
He is not one of those ones who have mentioned. I'm gonna give them another hint: he studied with Pasquini.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2017, 08:36:58 PM
Interesting that it wasn’t Lully. Now, I believe SymphonicAddict has Andre and Spineur stumped! :)
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Post by: Christo on October 15, 2017, 11:18:19 PM
A pity a symphony-addict refrains from posting symphony composers - my special interest too - and starts teasing us with a some hairy Baroque master instead.  ;D
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Post by: Spineur on October 15, 2017, 11:18:46 PM
Interesting that it wasn’t Lully. Now, I believe SymphonicAddict has Andre and Spineur stumped! :)
This is why I enjoy this game so much !  At least we guessed his italian origin.  Lets see what the next guess is.
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Post by: ritter on October 15, 2017, 11:50:24 PM
My first guess looking at the picture was Arcangelo Corelli . But AFAIK, he did not compose any operas, so it wouldn't be him....   :-[
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 12:12:38 AM
He is not one of those ones who have mentioned. I'm gonna give them another hint: he studied with Pasquini.

Georg Muffat.
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Post by: Jackman on October 16, 2017, 12:21:40 AM
Well, let's see...

How about this guy?

Hint: He was a baroque composer. He composed some concerti grossi, orchestral suites, sonatas, operas, etc. I don't know any special work by him. He's not as unknown as we can think.

Is it Mufat? or Muffit?, something like that. I have a recording of his somewhere
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Post by: ritter on October 16, 2017, 01:10:55 AM
One thing is for sure: that portrait of Muffat  is rather unflattering...  ::) 

IIRC I've never heard any of his music. I hope it's better than his looks... :laugh:
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 01:15:33 AM
One thing is for sure: that portrait of Muffat  is rather unflattering...  ::) 

IIRC I've never heard any of his music. I hope it's better than his looks... :laugh:

Haydn wasn't particularly handsome, either. And now that I think of it, that might be food for a new thread: The most handsome / ugliest composers.  ;D
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Post by: ritter on October 16, 2017, 01:18:37 AM
Haydn wasn't particularly handsome, either. And now that I think of it, that might be food for a new thread: The most handsome / ugliest composers.  ;D
Haydn looks positively like an Adonis compared to good old Muffat. Go ahead, start that thread...could be fun!  :)
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 16, 2017, 03:40:32 AM
Wait.....how is that not Lully? That IS Lully. That is his portrait.
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Post by: Turner on October 16, 2017, 03:47:28 AM
Wait.....how is that not Lully? That IS Lully. That is his portrait.

Yes it is Lully. A search in Google Pictures will confirm it, including varied versions of this portrait, and contemporary ones with his name and title.
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 03:55:17 AM
It's Lully alright, but the hint that was offered points to Muffat.

It's not the first time things are messed up. Just two pages ago Federico Garcia Lorca's image was offered for Silvestre Revueltas.
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Post by: Turner on October 16, 2017, 03:59:29 AM
So always double check portrait sources comparatively!
Of course, Lully didn't compose concerti grossi.
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 03:59:55 AM
I guess I might claim it's my turn, so who's this sweet little child?

(http://villalobos.iu.edu/images/foto_02.gif)

He grew up to become famous and his music is quite popular on GMG.
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Post by: pjme on October 16, 2017, 05:11:11 AM
Let's introduce a female composer...

(http://editions-soldano.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Chaminade.jpg)



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Post by: Spineur on October 16, 2017, 05:37:19 AM
Let's introduce a female composer...

(http://editions-soldano.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Chaminade.jpg)
I have a few CD of her music, her piano trio and some of her mélodies.  Cécile Chaminade.  We actually need more recordings of her works.  Anybody has some good recomendations ?
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Post by: pjme on October 16, 2017, 06:16:12 AM
Ah! Too easy.

I'll think of another one...

P.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2017, 06:50:36 AM
While pjme is thinking...

Who is this composer?
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Post by: Christo on October 16, 2017, 07:51:14 AM
While pjme is thinking...

Who is this composer?
Ruth Crawford Seeger (1901-1953) - to be honest, I saw her portrait when I checked Amy Beach, my first guess. #research
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2017, 08:02:40 AM
Ruth Crawford Seeger (1901-1953) - to be honest, I saw her portrait when I checked Amy Beach, my first guess. #research

Yes sir! She’s the one.
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Post by: Christo on October 16, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Okay, let's now oblige to the rules and give the floor to Florestan's pending question. The one who solves his riddle, is entitled to present a new one:
I guess I might claim it's my turn, so who's this sweet little child?

(http://villalobos.iu.edu/images/foto_02.gif)

He grew up to become famous and his music is quite popular on GMG.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 16, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
A pity a symphony-addict refrains from posting symphony composers - my special interest too - and starts teasing us with a some hairy Baroque master instead.  ;D

Hehe, I wanted to change a little  :D.

And Florestan is right: it's Georg Muffat.

I guess it's his turn, but I see that you have already advanced.
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 16, 2017, 05:31:44 PM
I guess I might claim it's my turn, so who's this sweet little child?

(http://villalobos.iu.edu/images/foto_02.gif)

He grew up to become famous and his music is quite popular on GMG.

Wait a sec, I have played quite a bit of music myself by a chap who looks like that................... (seen this photo before when learning some of his music but couldn't remember exactly where, had to look around a bit on the internet for composers who wrote music for guitar but I found the photo again here: http://villalobos.iu.edu/taxonomy/term/13?page=1 seems like it is Heitor Villa-Lobos, correct?)
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Post by: André on October 16, 2017, 05:42:14 PM
Well done Jessop, that one was difficult. I didn't even attempt to look it up  ???.
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 16, 2017, 06:22:53 PM
Well done Jessop, that one was difficult. I didn't even attempt to look it up  ???.

Well I guess it is much easier if one has seen the photo before. I couldn't get most of the other ones and the ones I did know I was too slow to post their name!
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 16, 2017, 06:34:38 PM
This one could be very easy but I am not sure if he looks as familiar to most of us as a younger man as he did when he was a little older.
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Post by: kishnevi on October 16, 2017, 06:48:10 PM
This one could be very easy but I am not sure if he looks as familiar to most of us as a younger man as he did when he was a little older.

Karl Heinz?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Karl Heinz?

Yep, most definitely Stockhausen.
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Post by: kishnevi on October 16, 2017, 07:11:37 PM
I am relying on Google for this to be an actual picture of the composer
(https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/john-dowland-2.jpg)
Despite the title of his most famous work, he probably did not cry more than most people.
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Post by: André on October 16, 2017, 07:15:30 PM
Well, your hint is actually a dead giveaway: John Dowland, composer of Lachrymae.
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Post by: André on October 16, 2017, 07:16:47 PM
Going to bed, so I'll pass and let late nighters have fun !
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2017, 07:23:46 PM
Okay, I’ll throw someone out there: who is this composer?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2017, 07:24:38 PM
If no one guesses by the end of the night, I’ll post a hint tomorrow. 8)
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Post by: Spineur on October 16, 2017, 08:08:57 PM
I dont know who this is but I love his shirt collar with rounded corners.  It would be cool to wear a shirt like this today.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 16, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Okay, I’ll throw someone out there: who is this composer?

Certainly he is... someone I don't know  ;D

I'll think on it.
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 09:15:50 PM
seems like it is Heitor Villa-Lobos, correct?)

Correct.  :)
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 09:41:52 PM
If no one guesses by the end of the night, I’ll post a hint tomorrow. 8)

You can post 10 hints, if you will, but I'd bet most people, including me (and possibly even you before looking for something to post here) have not even heard of him, let alone listened to his music, of which there is no available recording, anyway.  ;D
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Post by: mc ukrneal on October 16, 2017, 10:44:11 PM
Can I just say that I recognize not a single photo of any of these composers. Admittedly, I am much better with voices than I am with faces. My wife is always rolling her eyes when I ask if I should recognize an actor in a movie. But if I hear them, I usually can tell you who it is.
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Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2017, 11:02:14 PM
I recognize those I've seen before or those for whom the hint rings a bell to me. But how are we supposed to guess someone we have never heard of in the first place?
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 01:17:30 AM
Okay, I’ll throw someone out there: who is this composer?

Seems that it could be Stenhammar:
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 01:19:30 AM
Seems that it could be Stenhammar:

That was my first thought as well, but it's not him.
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 01:25:42 AM
That was my first thought as well, but it's not him.

I guess the nose and the chin bone structure is perhaps a bit different.
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
I guess the nose and the chin bone structure is perhaps a bit different.

Precisely. This guy had a rather strange skull shape.
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Post by: pjme on October 17, 2017, 02:06:30 AM
(http://2012.hindemith.info/uploads/pics/PH-im-Mantel-1914-15_01.jpg)

I found this picture ( totally new to me) on the Internet. Possibly it is all too easy to find its origins...
Anyway - he is a famous composer. He wrote several symphonies, concerti, a lot of chamber music, choral works etc. He grew bald....

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Post by: pjme on October 17, 2017, 02:09:26 AM
Seems that it could be Stenhammar:

We have Stenhammar and a certain Frederick Septimus Kelly DSC (29 May 1881 – 13 November 1916), an Australian / British musician and composer... and a rower!
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 02:11:32 AM
(http://2012.hindemith.info/uploads/pics/PH-im-Mantel-1914-15_01.jpg)

I found this picture ( totally new to me) on the Internet. Possibly it is all too easy to find its origins...
Anyway - he is a famous composer. He wrote several symphonies, concerti, a lot of chamber music, choral works etc. He grew bald....

Looks like a young Hindemith to me.
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 02:12:17 AM
a certain Frederick Septimus Kelly DSC (29 May 1881 – 13 November 1916), an Australian / British musician and composer... and a rower!

How did you find him?
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Post by: springrite on October 17, 2017, 02:23:07 AM
Looks like a young Hindemith to me.

Yep, I think that's him, already half way to full baldness.
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Post by: pjme on October 17, 2017, 02:23:57 AM
yep, it is Paul Hindemith.

for the rest: Google....makes it all too easy...

Peter
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Post by: pjme on October 17, 2017, 02:26:27 AM
Brother Rudolf Hindemith (also a compôser) had more luck, hairwise.

(https://i.scdn.co/image/a44497fe1b52d888e77f4f2e310da6259be16db2)

P.
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 02:27:08 AM
We have Stenhammar and a certain Frederick Septimus Kelly DSC (29 May 1881 – 13 November 1916), an Australian / British musician and composer... and a rower!

It is him. There´s very little music recorded, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Septimus_Kelly
 
And the clothes did make me think of the British isles ...
as seen in portraiture of Bax, for example
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 03:12:52 AM
for the rest: Google....makes it all too easy...

Well, yes, that's how I fond him too, but that's cheating. The idea is to guess the composser, not to google him / her. But then again, one cannot guess someone whose existence one completely ignores before a photo is presented.  I am very curious how many of us except MI ever heard about this Kelly guy.  ;D

And since it's again my turn, here's another child, but quite an easy one this time.

(http://www.manueldefalla.com/images/img130508093603_171.jpg)

The image is the hint.
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Post by: Jackman on October 17, 2017, 03:14:26 AM
Google that composer's picture game?
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 03:34:19 AM
Google that composer's picture game?

 ;D

Just as "unfair" as googling obscure composers for the sake of posting their pictures.  ;D

But hey, it's just a game, after all. Cheating is part of the fun.  :laugh:

Back to that little swashbuckler, now! Come on guys, it's really piece of cake (well, at least for one poster it should be so).  :)
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Post by: kishnevi on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 AM
Korngold?
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Post by: The new erato on October 17, 2017, 04:07:43 AM
Korngold?
Thought of that when I saw the swashbuckler reference.
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 04:28:43 AM
Korngold?

Thought of that when I saw the swashbuckler reference.

No.
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 04:32:00 AM
OK: Spanish-like, knight-like costume - child - around 1880 or so -> De Falla?

Yes.
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 04:36:16 AM
OK: Spanish-like, knight-like costume - child - around 1880 or so -> De Falla?

Yes.

See? Piece of cake. Your turn.
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 04:44:10 AM
Thank you.

A photo of this composer from 1904. We mostly see portraits of this composer when he is a bit older and actually looks more troubled.
Not that he lived a very long life though.
 
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 04:49:03 AM
French? or maybe Russian? I'd say rather French-looking, though.
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 04:55:04 AM
There´s something French to his artist-inspired outfit, and there´s no doubt he studied French culture. But he is from the Eastern parts of Europe ...
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 04:57:34 AM
I checked, but he never went to Paris. Gained some attention there in 1910, for example.
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:03:45 AM
There´s something French to his artist-inspired outfit, and there´s no doubt he studied French culture. But he is from the Eastern parts of Europe ...

I checked, but he never went to Paris. Gained some attention there in 1910, for example.

Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis?
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 05:06:14 AM
Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis?

Well done!
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:08:05 AM
Well done!

Thanks. Scout's honour I didn't cheat! I can't even find that picture on Google --- but when you said "Eastern Europe" yet not Russian, a bell ringed in the back of my memory! I googled him and the pictures I found look indeed like he in old age.
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 05:09:37 AM
Thanks. Scout's honour I didn't cheat! I can't even find that picture on Google --- but when you said "Eastern Europe" yet not Russian, a bell ringed in the back of my memory! I googled him and the pictures I found look indeed like he in old age.

I agree. I googled "Ciurlionis + portrait", then the picture shows up :)
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:12:40 AM
Okay, who is this guy?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Iosif_Ivanovici.jpg/220px-Iosif_Ivanovici.jpg)

Hint: he's a one hit man, but he made it really big --- you guys have all heard it, probably in countless arrangements and versions.
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Post by: ritter on October 17, 2017, 05:18:34 AM
Okay, who is this guy?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Iosif_Ivanovici.jpg/220px-Iosif_Ivanovici.jpg)

Hint: he's a one hit man, but he made it really big --- you guys have all heard it, probably in countless arrangements and versions.
As we say in Spain, "NPI".  ???
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:19:43 AM
As we say in Spain, "NPI".  ???

I must have missed this expression. What does it mean?  :D
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Post by: ritter on October 17, 2017, 05:21:32 AM
I must have missed this expression. What does it mean?  :D
Ni puta idea....  :D
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:24:25 AM
Ni puta idea....  :D

 :D :D :D

And yet if I posted the one and only hint, you'd immediately name the tune, although now that I think of it, probably not the composer.

Okay, here it is: Danubio.
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Post by: ritter on October 17, 2017, 05:27:33 AM
:D :D :D

And yet if I posted the one and only hint, you'd immediately name the tune, although now that I think of it, probably not the composer.

Okay, here it is: Danubio.
As we still say in Spain, NPI.  ;)
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 05:29:51 AM
I know it only as Donau Waves, and then it turned out to be Iosif Ivanovici (have an old Elecrecord LP version, the composer named too).
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:30:56 AM
As we still say in Spain, NPI.  ;)

Supplementary hint 1: a waltz.

Supplementary hint 2: it has got something to do with waves.

Supplementary hint no. 3: as far removed from Boulez as it gets: probably, and possibly, hummed unknowingly across all five continents.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:32:01 AM
I know it only as Donau Waves, and then it turned out to be Iosif Ivanovici (have an old Elecrecord LP version, the composer named too).

Bravo!

Your turn --- again!
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Post by: ritter on October 17, 2017, 05:35:12 AM
After all those hints, and Turner's reply, I must confess I have never heard of Mr. Ivanovici, have never heard of that waltz, and never (knowingly, at least) listened to that music. Mandarinsim has alienated me from the real world? Ich bin der welt abhanden gekommen?   ;D
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 05:37:25 AM
Not the most difficult, I think ...
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:39:02 AM
After all those hints, and Turner's reply, I must confess I have never heard of Mr. Ivanovici, have never heard of that waltz, and never (knowingly, at least) listened to that music. Mandarinsim has alienated me from the real world? Ich bin der welt abhanden gekommen?   ;D

Ay, caramba! Have you really never ever heard this tune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BD7iUoJP5pc

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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:39:36 AM
Not the most difficult, I think ...

Sorabji?
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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 05:39:58 AM
Sorabji?

Indeed.
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Post by: ritter on October 17, 2017, 05:43:11 AM
Ay, caramba! Have you really never ever heard this tune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BD7iUoJP5pc
As far as I can recall, never in my life!  :-[ That's the problem with wagnerian-darmstadtian ivory towers... :laugh:

But I wasn't missing much,no?  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:46:05 AM
Indeed.

He has a very peculiar look, I can't get him out of my mind ever since I saw him --- not so with his music, of which I haven't heard a single note as of yet.  :)

What about this gentleman?

(http://www.domquartier.at/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Michael-Haydn.jpg?bc5aeb)

The hint would give him away instantly --- and this is in itself a hint, all things considered.  :)
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 05:48:37 AM
As far as I can recall, never in my life!

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

No, really! I. AM. SHOCKED. !!!!

Quote
:-[ That's the problem with wagnerian-darmstadtian ivory towers... :laugh:

The problem is way more serious than I thought. It might even be incurable.  >:D

Quote
But I wasn't missing much,no?  ;)

Just a sunshine, a smile and a good, clean fun.  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 17, 2017, 05:53:48 AM
We have Stenhammar and a certain Frederick Septimus Kelly DSC (29 May 1881 – 13 November 1916), an Australian / British musician and composer... and a rower!

Correct!

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Post by: Turner on October 17, 2017, 05:54:07 AM

What about this gentleman?

(http://www.domquartier.at/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Michael-Haydn.jpg?bc5aeb)

The hint would give him away instantly --- and this is in itself a hint, all things considered.  :)

I searched for a composer, but then right away got another, yet correct one among the offered options ... so it would be wrong to present that as an answer  ;D
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Post by: Florestan on October 17, 2017, 06:11:16 AM
I searched for a composer, but then right away got another, yet correct one among the offered options ... so it would be wrong to present that as an answer  ;D

Let's just say that his name is famous through no fault of his own.  ;D
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 17, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
Let's just say that his name is famous through no fault of his own.  ;D

His symphonic output is big, but not as big as that his brother 'papa': Michael Haydn.
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Post by: André on October 17, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
My turn, which I had passed last night  ;)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--BoPjM_3_Zo/WJslkGo64WI/AAAAAAAAWdk/k_sCcNjjJiwDOZmrn5Emova9eM0zj5XVACLcB/s640/Liege%2Bysaye%2Bet%2Bcesar%2Bfranck.jpg)

We're looking at that big, tall guy standing with a cigar in hand. The picture itself gives a very useful hint !

And a close up, portrait of the artist as a young man:

(http://www.classical.net/music/images/composer/y/ysaye.jpg)

Spineur, give a chance to the others (that, too, is a hint  ;)).
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Post by: kishnevi on October 17, 2017, 05:40:41 PM
I want to say Ysaye, but if it is I don't see how the picture is a clue.
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Post by: André on October 17, 2017, 06:04:29 PM
Bravo, Ysaÿe it is !

Look at the avuncular-looking gentleman sitting front and centre in the top picture. The picture is obviously centered around him, with mostly younger men (his pupils). I thought that going from him, it would be easier to find Ysaÿe, but your eagle eye went straight for the kill   :D

The hint here is that Spineur regularly posts about Ysaÿe as composer (although in his time he was famous as a virtuoso violinist, the greatest of his era actually).
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Post by: kishnevi on October 17, 2017, 06:47:19 PM
There are three composers in this picture.  Ravel, a famous composer, and a composer I never heard of until Google showed me this picture.
The  second famous composer is the one who is to be identified, but supernerd points if you can identify the obscure guy.
Bonus points if you can identify the other people in the photo.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Ravel_Gershwin_Leide-Tedesco002.jpg/761px-Ravel_Gershwin_Leide-Tedesco002.jpg)
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Post by: André on October 17, 2017, 07:01:06 PM
That's Eva Gauthier standing behind Ravel. She was a famous singer in the early 20th century, creating or singing works by Ravel, Satie, Stravinsky. But she was not a composer. I'll leave the brownie points to those who are still awake. Bedtime for me !
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Post by: kishnevi on October 17, 2017, 07:07:36 PM
That's Eva Gauthier standing behind Ravel. She was a famous singer in the early 20th century, creating or singing works by Ravel, Satie, Stravinsky. But she was not a composer. I'll leave the brownie points to those who are still awake. Bedtime for me !
If you recognize Eva, you should be able to recognize the famous composer without a problem.
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Post by: springrite on October 17, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
David Diamond for sure.
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Post by: springrite on October 17, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
He has a very peculiar look, I can't get him out of my mind ever since I saw him --- not so with his music, of which I haven't heard a single note as of yet.  :)

Of course not. With Sorabji, you have to listen to him 5,000 notes at a time!
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Ravel_Gershwin_Leide-Tedesco002.jpg/761px-Ravel_Gershwin_Leide-Tedesco002.jpg)

The man at the right is George Gershwin.
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 12:36:41 AM
The man at the right is George Gershwin.
That was my immediate reaction too...

Good day, Andrei!
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 12:54:10 AM
That was my immediate reaction too...

Good day, Andrei!

Hola, Rafael!

TD:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Guy_Ropartz_01.jpg/215px-Guy_Ropartz_01.jpg)
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 12:59:07 AM
Hola, Rafael!

TD:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Guy_Ropartz_01.jpg/215px-Guy_Ropartz_01.jpg)
Koechlin?

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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 01:01:47 AM
Koechlin?

Right country, wrong guy.  :)
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 01:07:45 AM
Right country, wrong guy.  :)
Ropartz then?
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 01:34:16 AM
Ropartz then?

Yes. Your turn.
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 02:01:05 AM
Yes. Your turn.

Pursuing the feminine component of this thread, who is this young lady?


(http://fronteradigital.com.ve/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/JVS-ART%C3%8DCULO1-9.jpg)

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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 02:12:42 AM
Pursuing the feminine component of this thread, who is this young lady?


(http://fronteradigital.com.ve/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/JVS-ART%C3%8DCULO1-9.jpg)

I checked Pauline Viardot Garcia and Teresa Carreno. Turned out to be the last one. Didn´t know that she composed?
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 02:19:12 AM
I checked Pauline Vairdot Garcia and Teresa Carreno. Turned out to be the last one. Didn´t know that she composed?
Yes, she did compose...mainly for the piano (of course), with a catalogue of at least 40 works with opus numbers, plus a handful of choral-orchestral pieces and chamber music.

She often is represented on record compilations of music by female composers, but there's also a couple of CDs out there dedicated exclusively to her music.

Your turn, Sir!  :)
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 02:23:01 AM
One of those somehow iconic photos, you don´t tend to forget, once you´ve seen it.

So I´ll just post a fragment :)

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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 02:48:12 AM
Hint:

a composer quite interested in the national heritage.
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 02:53:52 AM
Based on the photo, could be Bartok.
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 02:56:15 AM
Based on the photo, could be Bartok.

No. Note the glasses (they are heavy) and the Alec Guiness/George Smiley-like appearance.
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 02:58:07 AM
such as
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 02:58:45 AM
No. Note the glasses (they are heavy) and the Alec Guiness/George Smiley-like appearance.

Yes, I noticed the glasses after posting. I'm sure I know him. Think, Andrei, think hard!
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 03:01:32 AM
Ginastera?
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 03:05:22 AM
Ginastera?

Not a bad guess, but no.

Here´s the upper part of the photo:
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 03:09:33 AM
Messy Anne? But I've never seen a photo of good old Olivier wearing a hat like that...
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 03:14:23 AM
Otto Klemperer  ;D
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 03:14:34 AM
The suggestions so far have been too southernly.

Particularly known for orchestral and vocal works plus string quartets.
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 03:16:44 AM
Jon Leifs, but the last hint basically give him away.  :)
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 03:18:17 AM
Jon Leifs, but the last hint basically give him away.  :)

The riddle is solved! This was the original, to do him a bit more justice :laugh::
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 03:22:28 AM
Another day, another child.

(http://www.turtlepointpress.com/traveltainted/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/BruceKellnerI.jpg)
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Post by: Turner on October 18, 2017, 03:27:19 AM
All this pointing to woodwork, apparently a mountain scenery, and heavy dressing, would perhaps suggest a German or Middle/East-European photo origin, say between 1865-1895?

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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 03:31:57 AM
All this pointing to woodwork, apparently a mountain scenery, and heavy dressing, would perhaps suggest a German or Middle/East-European photo origin, say between 1865-1895?

The time frame is right but the region is not.

Hint: in mature age he looked more or less the same, with two differences.
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 04:27:13 AM
Another hint: he wanted to study with Liszt but looked for him in the wrong location.
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Post by: Cato on October 18, 2017, 05:02:27 AM
The time frame is right but the region is not.

Hint: in mature age he looked more or less the same, with two differences.

Max Reger ?
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 05:03:48 AM
Max Reger ?

No.
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 05:05:04 AM
No.
Is he Western European?

EDIT:
Actually, very close to home...That's an infant Isaac Albéniz.
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 05:07:35 AM
Is he Western European?

Yes.
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Post by: ritter on October 18, 2017, 05:08:23 AM
¡Albéniz!

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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 05:09:20 AM
¡Albéniz!

Himself! Extremely Western.  :D

Hit us!
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 06:36:51 AM
(http://2.s.cdn2.semplicewebsites.com/photos/composers/large_298.jpg)
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Post by: Brian on October 18, 2017, 06:41:20 AM
That looks like a cross between Borodin and Inspector Clouseau.
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 06:42:55 AM
That looks like a cross between Borodin and Inspector Clouseau.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

EDIT and hint: you're closer than you might think.  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 07:07:34 AM
Time to throw another composer out there...who is this?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 07:58:02 AM
If not one’s guessed by tonight (US time), I’ll give a hint.
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 11:09:02 AM
Gösta Nystroem.

Another excellent swedish composer.
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Post by: Spineur on October 18, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
Well done André.  This was quite difficult.
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
Not really.

- I have lots of his music and more or less knew what he looked like
- MI has posted recently about this composer, which he rightfully loves. Plus, he may have been subconsciously influenced by one of the previous mystery images (Erland von Koch), from the same time and place.
- From the look of the pic it seems to belong to the world of Ingmar Bergman (overcast skies, northern light, + he's dressed for outside and it doesn't seem very warm up there  :D.
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsJ5EEtuM8YCCPMW83bLb9oCckGj__FTFQlcfLDHeIcBYmmsXT)

Who are these composers ?
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 06:12:17 PM
6 hours later, and no answer...Bad sign  ???

Hints:

- As mentioned, there are 2 composers here. One of them is a woman (what, really?  ::)). She is by quite a margin the better known of the pair.
- They are NOT husband and wife, or brother/sister. They are totally unrelated, as a matter of fact.
- Both are pictured here in Rome.

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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
Gösta Nystroem.

Another excellent swedish composer.

Bingo! 8)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 06:18:46 PM
6 hours later, and no answer...Bad sign  ???

Hints:

- As mentioned, there are 2 composers here. One of them is a woman (what, really?  ::)). She is by quite a margin the better known of the pair.
- They are NOT husband and wife, or brother/sister. They are totally unrelated, as a matter of fact.
- Both are pictured here in Rome.

Let me say, firstly, it’s not a flattering photo and, secondly, it’s not a large one. It’s hard to tell who they are. The woman looks like Lili Boulanger. I have no idea who the man is.
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 06:37:28 PM
You got it !

You'll find the man's identity (if you wish) by checking some facts about Boulanger, esp the last hint I gave.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
You got it !

You'll find the man's identity (if you wish) by checking some facts about Boulanger, esp the last hint I gave.

Very cool! The man is Claude Delvincourt, but I would never have known this, otherwise, if you hadn’t given the hint and I looked up the information about Boulanger being in Rome.
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 06:54:07 PM
Great ! That was the idea: what was Boulanger doing in Rome, if not receiving the famous Prix de Rome ? So did Delvincourt, who was there for the same reason.

Sorry for the picture quality. I thought Boulanger was more recognizable. She was such a genius.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
Great ! That was the idea: what was Boulanger doing in Rome, if not receiving the famous Prix de Rome ? So did Delvincourt, who was there for the same reason.

Sorry for the picture quality. I thought Boulanger was more recognizable. She was such a genius.

There’s some other photos of Boulanger with Delvincourt and some other composers (?) if you do a Google image search. Yes, I heartily agree. Boulanger was an incredible composer that was taken from us way too soon, but what she left behind in such a short amount of time was astonishing.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2017, 06:59:52 PM
I suppose it’s my turn...who is this composer?
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Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 18, 2017, 07:02:24 PM
(http://2.s.cdn2.semplicewebsites.com/photos/composers/large_298.jpg)

I don't see where anyone got Vlad Rebikov. Did I miss it?

8)
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Post by: André on October 18, 2017, 07:12:58 PM
Just read Rebikov's wikipedia entry. It says he was already forgotten by the time he died in 1920. I guess his appearance here went unnoticed as well... For my part I had never, ever heard of him before. Like Trump said about the Miss Universe contestant: where did you find him ?
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 09:04:26 PM
Just read Rebikov's wikipedia entry. It says he was already forgotten by the time he died in 1920. I guess his appearance here went unnoticed as well... For my part I had never, ever heard of him before. Like Trump said about the Miss Universe contestant: where did you find him ?

Here:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51LgDOvLKHL._SS500.jpg)

Recommended.
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Post by: Florestan on October 18, 2017, 09:11:12 PM
I suppose it’s my turn...who is this composer?

Looks (Soviet) Russian to me.
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 01:10:13 AM
Looks (Soviet) Russian to me.

Yep. Gavriil Popov.  :) Thank you, Wikipedia. Never heard about him, though.  :)

TD

(http://www.debussy.fr/icono/cd_conservatoire.jpg)

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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 05:48:35 AM
Yep. Gavriil Popov.  :) Thank you, Wikipedia. Never heard about him, though.  :)

TD

(http://www.debussy.fr/icono/cd_conservatoire.jpg)

Yep! And the composer in your photo is a young Debussy.
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 05:49:39 AM
Yep! And the composer in your photo is a young Debussy.

Good. Post another one.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 05:56:28 AM
I guess it’s my turn, who is this composer?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 06:06:39 AM
If no one guesses the composer correctly then I’ll post a hint later on tonight.
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 06:07:59 AM
Tough one. He has quite an oriental look. As if from the Russian Empire but not Russian. Possibly Armenian. Any hint?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 06:09:27 AM
Tough one. He has quite an oriental look. As if from the Russian Empire but not Russian. Possibly Armenian. Any hint?

I’ll follow-up with a hint later on tonight after I’ve given some time for the other members to give their guesses.
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Post by: pjme on October 19, 2017, 06:58:07 AM
(https://www.forumopera.com/sites/default/files/styles/rectangle_barre_de_gauche_234px__cd-livres-breves_/public/godard_benjamin.jpg?itok=HuNQPZOq)

This was once a famous composer - one hit wonder in opera land.... our grand parents used to weep and sigh when listening to his sentimental melodies.
In the 19th century a famous sauce was invented with the same name - albeit not after this composer's name....

Mirror image has found a very interesting composer...it is NOT Scriabin...

P.
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Post by: Spineur on October 19, 2017, 07:04:04 AM
(https://www.forumopera.com/sites/default/files/styles/rectangle_barre_de_gauche_234px__cd-livres-breves_/public/godard_benjamin.jpg?itok=HuNQPZOq)

This was once a famous composer - one hit wonder in opera land.... our grand parents used to weep and sigh when listening to his sentimental melodies.
In the 19th century a famous sauce was invented with the same name - albeit not after this composer's name....

Mirror image has found a very interesting composer...it is NOT Scriabin...

P.
Benjamin Godard ?
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 07:08:22 AM
Benjamin Godard ?

Looks like him, anyway. Has anyone tasted the Godard sauce, though?
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Post by: pjme on October 19, 2017, 07:10:35 AM
Et oui.

A Sauce Godard is a classic French Sauce made from a Demi-Glacé with Reduced Champagne (or White Wine), a Mirepoix, Ham and Truffle Essence.
According to Auguste Escoffier, in Le Guide Culinaire, Sauce Godard is well suited to accompany Relevés, Braised or Roasted joints of Meat served with a Garnish.

Enjoy, while listening to the Berceuse from Jocelyn .

Let's go all the way...préparez vos mouchoirs...

https://www.youtube.com/v/jIWw16P4jwM

P.
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Post by: Spineur on October 19, 2017, 07:15:33 AM
Looks like him, anyway. Has anyone tasted the Godard sauce, though?
I did not.  I have seen recipes for many variants, so I do not know the genuine one.

Many of them in french use truffles.  This one does not

http://chestofbooks.com/food/recipes/Culinary-Handbook/Sauces-And-Their-Uses-Part-8.html (http://chestofbooks.com/food/recipes/Culinary-Handbook/Sauces-And-Their-Uses-Part-8.html)

Although I do enjoy the game a lot, I'll pass my turn for the time being as I am under a big pile of work and can check GMG only for brief moments
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 07:23:19 AM
Mirror image has found a very interesting composer...it is NOT Scriabin...

Come on, John, give us a hint.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 07:42:04 AM
Come on, John, give us a hint.

Alright, fine, Andrei. :)

Hint: This composer completed the first Uzbek ballet and used original folk music from this country in the early 1930s.
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 07:50:22 AM
Alright, fine, Andrei. :)

Hint: This composer completed the first Uzbek ballet and used original folk music from this country in the early 1930s.

I couldn't have guessed him in a million years. He's dressed like 19th century.  ;D

But at least I got the country right.
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 08:01:44 AM
Now, who is this?

(http://classic-online.ru/uploads/111300/111248.jpg)
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Post by: Spineur on October 19, 2017, 01:47:07 PM
Now, who is this?

(http://classic-online.ru/uploads/111300/111248.jpg)
The receeding hair line the collar make me think it could be a portrait of Tchaikovsky I dont know.  So you see I am kind of unsure about this guess
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Post by: North Star on October 19, 2017, 02:47:37 PM
The receeding hair line the collar make me think it could be a portrait of Tchaikovsky I dont know.  So you see I am kind of unsure about this guess
Apart from a receding hairline, the two look totally different..
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Tchaikovsky2.jpg/1200px-Tchaikovsky2.jpg)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 05:27:20 PM
I couldn't have guessed him in a million years. He's dressed like 19th century.  ;D

But at least I got the country right.

Since no one has guessed correctly, the composer in question is Nikolai Roslavets.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 19, 2017, 05:27:56 PM
Apart from a receding hairline, the two look totally different..
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Tchaikovsky2.jpg/1200px-Tchaikovsky2.jpg)

Indeed. Quite fair off the mark I’d say.
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Post by: Florestan on October 19, 2017, 11:53:35 PM
Not Tchaikovksy.

Hint(s): he was the pupil and intimate friend of a much more famous composer and they were both expats.
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Post by: André on October 21, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
(http://classic-online.ru/uploads/111300/111248.jpg)(https://rlv.zcache.com/james_butler_wild_bill_hickok_poster-r7f760168a3b145279489ce1dcc14b58c_aiyxj_8byvr_540.jpg)

Related to Wild Bill Hickok, that much is sure.
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Post by: Florestan on October 21, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
Honestly, I don't see much resemblance between the two. The eyes, the noses, the chins, the frontal bones are obviously different. Even the moustaches have different shapes and colors.
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Post by: Turner on October 21, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Some more clues would be nice ... personally, I´m better in musical oeuvres than biographical details.
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Post by: Florestan on October 21, 2017, 11:59:02 AM
He was an organist before leaving his home country. He regularly performed chamber music together with two of the most distinguished instrumentists of his country of adoption.

EDIT: his work is almost entirely dedicated to a single instrument, of which he was a master.
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Post by: Florestan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:23 PM
Supplementary hint: had he been born 100 years earlier, he'd have had the same "citizenship" as Turner (the GMG member, that is, not the painter).
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Post by: Turner on October 21, 2017, 12:14:55 PM
Then it is, of course, the Chopin student Thomas Tellefsen, from Norway. He´s had a bit of a Renaissance lately as regards recordings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tellefsen
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Post by: André on October 21, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
Honestly, I don't see much resemblance between the two. The eyes, the noses, the chins, the frontal bones are obviously different. Even the moustaches have different shapes and colors.

Boy, you sure studied them attentively. As if I had been serious  :laugh:
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Post by: Florestan on October 21, 2017, 11:06:38 PM
Then it is, of course, the Chopin student Thomas Tellefsen, from Norway. He´s had a bit of a Renaissance lately as regards recordings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tellefsen

Yes. One of my best discoveries this year.

Your turn.
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Post by: Florestan on October 21, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
Boy, you sure studied them attentively. As if I had been serious  :laugh:

 :laugh:
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Post by: Turner on October 21, 2017, 11:18:29 PM
Thank you.

The guy on the left.

Clue: has - perhaps undeservedly - gained a somewhat childish reputation ...
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 22, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
Thank you.

The guy on the left.

Clue: has - perhaps undeservedly - gained a somewhat childish reputation ...

That would be Ernő Dohnányi.
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Post by: André on October 22, 2017, 06:07:38 AM
And that's Bartok sitting next to Dohnanyi, right ? I've never seen a pic of him in which he wears glasses.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 22, 2017, 06:12:12 AM
And that's Bartok sitting next to Dohnanyi, right ? I've never seen a pic of him in which he wears glasses.

Correct. If you do a Google image search on Bartok, I’m sure you’ll find one. I’ve seen several of him sporting his spectacles.

Here’s a few:

(http://folklife.hu/wp-content/uploads/bartok2-436x500.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ce/c6/96/cec69645ab8eac3812d14e8defd88a0f--rhythmic-pattern-music-composers.jpg)
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Post by: Turner on October 22, 2017, 07:02:48 AM
And that's Bartok sitting next to Dohnanyi, right ? I've never seen a pic of him in which he wears glasses.

Correct - concerning Bartok's somewhat strange looks here, it struck me as one of the few face options, that Nicolas Cage hasn't been seen in in a movie yet. But perhaps I'm wrong, since there are many such movies.

And the child-reference is of course the Variations on a Nursery Song, for decades the only work Dohnanyi was known for.
So, next riddle, please!
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Post by: Spineur on October 22, 2017, 01:41:33 PM
This is a composition class.  Two of the composer on this photo are famous.  Who are they.
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Post by: André on October 22, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
I think the two at the right look like R. Strauss and Rachmaninov. Too bad this is an impossibility  :D

Scriabine and Rachmaninoff were classmates, so that's a possibility.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 22, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
This is a composition class.  Two of the composer on this photo are famous.  Who are they.

Easy...just too easy. Arensky and Rachmaninov.
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Post by: kishnevi on October 22, 2017, 05:12:23 PM
I think the two at the right look like R. Strauss and Rachmaninov. Too bad this is an impossibility  :D

Scriabine and Rachmaninoff were classmates, so that's a possibility.

I had the same basic thought, but couldn't figure out who the second composer would be for either.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 22, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
It’s most definitely Anton Arensky as I suspected.

According to Wikipedia:

After graduating from the Saint Petersburg Conservatory in 1882, Arensky became a professor at the Moscow Conservatory. Among his students there were Alexander Scriabin, Sergei Rachmaninoff and Alexander Gretchaninov.
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Post by: Spineur on October 22, 2017, 11:58:43 PM
Yes MI got it right away.  The other two composers are Lev Conus, Nikita Morozov.  If Morozov isnt totally forgotten, Lev Conus is.

Since this was too easy, here is another one.  The two gentelmen pictured below were brothers.  One of them was a composer.  Who is he and who is his brother..

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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 12:05:19 AM
Not sure if the guy on the left is the composer, but I'm pretty sure I've seen this picture before. Hmmmm.....
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 12:25:32 AM
Is his brother known for some achievemnt of his own or just for being his brother's brother?  :)
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Post by: Spineur on October 23, 2017, 12:28:32 AM
Is his brother known for some achievemnt of his own or just for being his brother's brother?  :)
In fact, he is the most famous of the two.
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
In fact, he is the most famous of the two.

 :laugh:

Was he an artist, too?

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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 02:18:07 AM
For the moment, I identified two pairs of brothers one of whom was a composer: Paul Juon / Konstantin Yuon (painter) and Josef Bohuslav Foerster / Viktor Foerster (painter). None of them seem to match the pictures or the hint...
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Post by: Spineur on October 23, 2017, 02:51:33 AM
For the moment, I identified two pairs of brothers one of whom was a composer: Paul Juon / Konstantin Yuon (painter) and Josef Bohuslav Foerster / Viktor Foerster (painter). None of them seem to match the pictures or the hint...
I'll wait until the US/Canada GMG's wake up before giving a hint.
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 03:04:02 AM
I'll wait until the US/Canada GMG's wake up before giving a hint.

Of course.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 06:54:29 AM
I wonder if another hint will be offered? The composer in question looks familiar, but I don’t want to make any guesses without some kind of clue.
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Post by: Spineur on October 23, 2017, 06:56:21 AM
OK here comes a hint.  The brother is a mathematician.  It is kind of a giveaway, so you have to be quick.
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 06:58:05 AM
Sergei Mikhailovich Lyapunov
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 06:58:23 AM
Yes MI got it right away.  The other two composers are Lev Conus, Nikita Morozov.  If Morozov isnt totally forgotten, Lev Conus is.

Since this was too easy, here is another one.  The two gentelmen pictured below were brothers.  One of them was a composer.  Who is he and who is his brother..

Lyapunov!
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 06:58:59 AM
I see Rafael beat me to the punch!
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 07:05:21 AM
Never heard of his brother until now.  ;D

Had I been more thorough in my research I could have found them earlier today. I was one inch close.  :(
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Post by: Spineur on October 23, 2017, 07:07:10 AM
I see Rafael beat me to the punch!
AsI said, it was kind of a giveaway: there are lists of 20th century mathematicians and you just had to go down the list until you hit a composer's name.  Anyway Lyapunov, the composer, has his own thread here and many people like him.  The advances oh his brother, the mathematician, are used everyday in meteorology, and more generally any field where instabilities exist.  This include financial markets and politics.  I have seen recently Lyapunov cascade models applied to the Catalan/Spanish standoff.  I have not seen a Trumpian model yet...

Anyway it is Rafael turn now.  I am done for a while
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 07:16:49 AM
Yes, the mathematician info was a giveaway... But that was a tough one, Spineur, well played!

Who is this young man with his mother?

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/66/14/26/myster10.jpg)

Most pictures we know of him are from his mature years, but the face is unmistakable...

N.B.: Google image search will NOT help on this occasion. Precautionary measures have been taken.  8)


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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 07:20:57 AM
He looks so familiar, Rafael. Could you give us a hint?
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 07:27:45 AM
He looks so familiar, Rafael. Could you give us a hint?
"Urbi Venetiae, in laudo Sancti sui Presidis"
 8)
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 07:32:39 AM
Don't tell me this is Stravinsky!
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 07:34:27 AM
Don't tell me this is Stravinsky!
Of course not....but, this man has a lot to do with that quotation... ;)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 07:35:51 AM
Don't tell me this is Stravinsky!

It doesn’t even look like Stravinsky.
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 07:40:01 AM
Of course not....but, this man has a lot to do with that quotation... ;)

Hmmm... Venetian-born, baptized Marco, possibly?

Ni puta idea, to quote you.
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 07:45:34 AM
Hmmm... Venetian-born, baptized Marco, possibly?

Ni puta idea, to quote you.
Not Venetian-born, and not Marco... But still, a lot to do with that line from Canticum Sacrum.

Nationality? Born under the "k. u. k." monarchy  ;)



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Post by: North Star on October 23, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
Webern?
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 08:10:53 AM
No... but tangentially related to that lot, so a good guess. And the name Webern is close to this man as well for another (musical) reason...

This man was very much alive when the Canticum Sacrum was composed, and played a (not strictly musical) rôle in that piece's genesis.

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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:19:33 AM
It’s Ernst Krenek!
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
Indeed!  Which clue was decisive, if I may ask?

Krenek (who was fluent in Latin) wrote the text for the introductory section  of the Canticum Sacrum at Stravinsky's request, and also composed the Symphonic Elegy (in memoriam Anton Webern).

Your turn, Sir!
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:24:35 AM
Indeed!  Which clue was decisive, if I may ask?

Your turn, Sir!

The last two pairs of clue: Webern being close to him and him having a hand in Stravinsky’s Canticum Sacrum.

I suppose it’s my turn: who is this composer?
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
A young Ravel?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
I’ll give a hint I suppose: this composer died in a sanatorium at the age of 55.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:29:57 AM
A young Ravel?

Nope.
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 08:34:21 AM
A young Szymanowski disguised as a young Ravel?
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Post by: Turner on October 23, 2017, 08:41:23 AM
I think so; Szymanowski was born in what was then Russia, and the sailor´s striped t-shirt was a clue, they still romanticize it a lot in the Russian sphere, and one will see it in earlier Russian/Soviet painting too, for example.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:44:23 AM
A young Szymanowski disguised as a young Ravel?

Szymanowski is correct, sir!
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Post by: ritter on October 23, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
Szymanowski is correct, sir!
The Ravel thing came because of the beret, which looked Basque to me. And  IMHO there is a physical  resemblance between both composers (even if only a faint one). I had read about Szymanowski's death in a sanatorium in Switzerland.

I can't post a picture now, sorry. Perhaps John wishes to submit another entry.

Regards,
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 09:28:50 AM
The Ravel thing came because of the beret, which looked Basque to me. And  IMHO there is a physical  resemblance between both composers (even if only a faint one). I had read about Szymanowski's death in a sanatorium in Switzerland.

I can't post a picture now, sorry. Perhaps John wishes to submit another entry.

Regards,

Indeed, Rafael. Since I already had a turn. It’s someone else’s turn now.
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 09:38:51 AM
Who is this?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Otto_Mahler.jpg/220px-Otto_Mahler.jpg)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 10:16:14 AM
Who is this?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Otto_Mahler.jpg/220px-Otto_Mahler.jpg)

Judging from the picture link: it’s Otto Mahler. :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 10:24:42 AM
My turn...

Who is this composer:
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 10:27:37 AM
My turn...

Not your turn. You cheated.

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Post by: Turner on October 23, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
Maybe Lidholm?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
Not your turn. You cheated.

So I cheated because the link you provided wasn’t a good one at all and revealed who the composer was? All I did was use my eyeballs. ::)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 10:45:37 AM
Maybe Lidholm?

Nope.
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 10:55:52 AM
So I cheated because the link you provided wasn’t a good one at all and revealed who the composer was? All I did was use my eyeballs. ::)

I didn't provide a link but a picture.

Doesn't matter, anyway.


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Post by: Turner on October 23, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Nope.

No clues?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 11:03:53 AM
I didn't provide a link but a picture.

Doesn't matter, anyway.

My point was the link to the picture contained the name of the composer and anyone that quoted your post can clearly see who the composer is by the link. Anyway, if it doesn’t matter then don’t accuse me of cheating and move on! >:(
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 11:06:17 AM
No clues?

Here’s a hint: Apparently, he wasn’t well liked by Hitler’s regime.
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Post by: Turner on October 23, 2017, 11:08:33 AM
Viktor Ullmann produced a result ... :)
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Post by: Spineur on October 23, 2017, 11:12:02 AM
Here’s a hint: Apparently, he wasn’t well liked by Hitler’s regime.
Viktor Ullmann.  The clue did it.  I was looking for a french or belgian composer because of the beret.  But in those days everybody wore a beret or a fedora !
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 11:12:51 AM
My point was the link to the picture contained the name of the composer and anyone that quoted your post can clearly see who the composer is by the link. Anyway, if it doesn’t matter then don’t accuse me of cheating and move on! >:(

I just did. Do the same and let's still be friends.  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
Ullmann it is! Turner got there before Spineur, so it’s Turner’s turn (no pun intended).
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Post by: Turner on October 23, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
Thanks  :)

Not very easy.

The interior picture might give a hint of the geographical area and maybe religious/folkish undercurrents, the style of the landscape painting can make you think of the nation.
A composer that is, I think, mainly known for a beautiful concertante work, that was released by Chandos. But not much recorded.

I´ll be off for a few hours or won´t be able to post. If somebody gets the right result, just continue, if you want to. :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
Thanks  :)

Not very easy.

The interior picture might give a hint of the geographical area and maybe religious/folkish undercurrents, the style of the landscape painting can make you think of the nation.
A composer that is, I think, mainly known for a beautiful concertante work, that was released by Chandos. But not much recorded.

I´ll be off for a few hours or won´t be able to post. If somebody gets the right result, just continue, if you want to. :)

Ljubica Marić...next! ;)
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Post by: Christo on October 23, 2017, 12:04:26 PM
Ljubica Marić...next! ;)
In the 1990s, with refugees from Former Yugoslavia arriving in large numbers, friends brought me these CDs with her music - or better: a twofer from Serbia and the recordings that were used by the Dutch label Emergo:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDU5Nw==/z/2eIAAOSwEeFVNA2~/$_12.JPG)(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTUwMFgxNTAw/z/554AAOSwEeFVNA4z/$_57.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/IHcAAOSw5cNYFTKp/$_57.JPG)
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Post by: Turner on October 23, 2017, 02:35:37 PM
In the 1990s, with refugees from Former Yugoslavia arriving in large numbers, friends brought me these CDs with her music - or better: a twofer from Serbia and the recordings that were used by the Dutch label Emergo:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDU5Nw==/z/2eIAAOSwEeFVNA2~/$_12.JPG)(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTUwMFgxNTAw/z/554AAOSwEeFVNA4z/$_57.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/IHcAAOSw5cNYFTKp/$_57.JPG)

Interesting. There were really many LP recordings of contemporary composers in the former Yugoslavia, but I haven´t seen Maric ones.
The hints were of course related to 1) naivist painting, like the Ivan Generalic school 2) her Byzantine Concerto for piano & orchestra. 
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 03:55:49 PM
In the 1990s, with refugees from Former Yugoslavia arriving in large numbers, friends brought me these CDs with her music - or better: a twofer from Serbia and the recordings that were used by the Dutch label Emergo:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDU5Nw==/z/2eIAAOSwEeFVNA2~/$_12.JPG)(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTUwMFgxNTAw/z/554AAOSwEeFVNA4z/$_57.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/IHcAAOSw5cNYFTKp/$_57.JPG)

Cool, I can’t say I know this composer’s music at all. I just remember running across that Chandos recording of hers (one of their ‘Historical’ recordings) and wondering “Who is that?”
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
I suppose it’s my turn again...who is this composer?
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 08:51:58 PM
Leevi Madetoja?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 23, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
Leevi Madetoja?

Correct! Your turn.
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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 09:03:05 PM
Thank you.

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Post by: Florestan on October 23, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
I'll be offline for a couple of hours. If anyone guesses him, go ahead with the game.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 24, 2017, 05:34:52 AM
Oh man, Andrei. Could you give us a hint?
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 05:40:35 AM
Tam pro papa quam pro rege
bibunt omnes sine lege.


There, I basically give him away for free.  :)
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 05:42:06 AM
-> sound medieval, maybe Carmina Burana Collection -> Orff? -> yes  :)
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 05:42:51 AM
-> sounds medieval, maybe Carmina Burana Collection -> Orff? -> yes  :)

Edit: edit due to typo errors resulted in quoting my own post, but I was first !
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Post by: ritter on October 24, 2017, 05:43:57 AM
Tam pro papa quam pro rege
bibunt omnes sine lege.


There, I basically give him away for free.  :)
In trutina mentis dubia...

Dulcissime, totam tibi subdo me...

Tempus est iocundum...



Carl Orff!

EDIT: Damn, one minute too slow... >:( ;D
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 05:47:50 AM
Yes, Orff. Turner's turn.  :)
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Post by: ritter on October 24, 2017, 05:49:13 AM
Edit: edit due to typo errors resulted in quoting my own post, but I was first !
Reason for instant disqualification!

Just joking..Florestan permitting, it's your turn, Turner.  :)
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 05:49:49 AM
I prefer listening to this guy´s earlier works.
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Post by: ritter on October 24, 2017, 05:52:54 AM
I prefer listening to this guy´s earlier works.
Thought it might be Roger Sessions but, no, it isn't...
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 05:53:34 AM
Looks quite French to me...
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Post by: ritter on October 24, 2017, 05:55:23 AM
Looks quite French to me...
Reminds me of the old joke of General de Gaulle being shown around the Musée d'Art Moderne..
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 05:56:00 AM
Reminds me of the old joke of General de Gaulle being shown around the Musée d'Art Moderne..

 :laugh:
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 05:56:30 AM
Some hint would help.
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 05:57:46 AM
No, he doesn´t belong to those countries.

As regards the early works, I´m thinking of a lesser known work for piano and orchestra in particular. But it must be said that there is a later orchestral work that is somewhat known and fine too. It was promoted by the conductor Scherchen, for example. There´s an opera that is considered a key work, and a lot of chamber music, including many string quartets. Many would agree about the later style being tough.
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 06:01:02 AM
Malipiero?
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 24, 2017, 06:02:10 AM
I’m not too familiar with Orff’s work, so that’s why I didn’t get it.
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 06:02:51 AM
No. Central Europe.
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 06:04:00 AM
I’m not too familiar with Orff’s work, so that’s why I didn’t get it.

A truly one hit wonder.  :) But as a boy he was adorable, wasn't he?
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 06:05:24 AM
No. Central Europe.

That gave him away. Alois Haba.
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 06:06:00 AM
Correct!  8)
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 06:09:26 AM
Ok. Who is this?
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Post by: Turner on October 24, 2017, 06:16:00 AM
I´d be surprised if it is Scherchen (who was also a composer), but there is a good deal of resemblance. In that case a much lesser known photo of him as a very young man.

EDIT: no, the clothing in the riddle is probably too modern to belong to Scherchen´s younger days.
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 06:20:24 AM
Not Scherchen.

He was indirectly connected to a much more famous composer than him originating from the same country, about whose works he wrote a book that's been translated into English by another relatively famous musician.
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Post by: The new erato on October 24, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
The famous composer being Bartok I feel.
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Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 09:07:09 PM
The famous composer being Bartok I feel.

No, but Bartok is actually a very good hint in one respect. In two, actually.  :)
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Post by: Christo on October 25, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
No, but Bartok is actually a very good hint in one respect. In two, actually.  :)
Then his famous compatriot might be Enescu?   :)
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 12:33:26 AM
...and if the famous compatriot is Enescu, then our mystery man must be Pascal Bentoiu.

Bentoiu's book on Enescu better be good, 'cause it goes for $131 on amazon!  ???
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Post by: Turner on October 25, 2017, 01:21:00 AM
I´ve actually got a Romanian LP with string quartets 1+2 by this fellow ... but there are some works on you-tube as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_Bentoiu
https://www.discogs.com/artist/873082-Pascal-Bentoiu
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 01:47:01 AM
I only know Pascal Bentoiu for his valuable completions of Enescu´s Symphonies 4 & 5:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81h%2BKNlfwKL._SY355_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61kcYZvb29L._SY355_.jpg)

My turn, I guess (unless Florestan says I am mistaken)...

Who is this dashing young man?

(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201304/r1095907_13172576.jpg)
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 03:41:15 AM
...and if the famous compatriot is Enescu, then our mystery man must be Pascal Bentoiu.

Bentoiu's book on Enescu better be good, 'cause it goes for $131 on amazon!  ???

My hat off to you, good sir! Bravo!
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 03:42:48 AM
I only know Pascal Bentoiu for his valuable completions of Enescu´s Symphonies 4 & 5:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81h%2BKNlfwKL._SY355_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61kcYZvb29L._SY355_.jpg)

That's the indirecrt connection I was talking about. And Bartok was good friends with Enescu and born on the territory of present-day Romania, so a double hint.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 04:31:17 AM
I’m not too familiar with Romanian composers besides Enescu, so there’s no question that I would have never guessed Florestan’s composer.
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 04:34:05 AM
I’m not too familiar with Romanian composers besides Enescu, so there’s no question that I would have never guessed Florestan’s composer.

I'm not so sure. If you had put together the hints I offered and did a bit of Google research you'd have probably been able to find him, even if you hadn't heard of him before.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 04:38:35 AM
Who is this dashing young man?

(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201304/r1095907_13172576.jpg)

Can you give us a hint? Judging from the picture’s link: he’s Australian or maybe not?
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Post by: Spineur on October 25, 2017, 04:43:22 AM
Can you give us a hint? Judging from the picture’s link: he’s Australian or maybe not?
He looks familiar to me.  This game is actually getting more and more difficult as time progresses.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 04:44:20 AM
He looks familiar to me.  This game is actually getting more and more difficult as time progresses.

Wait until I get my turn! >:D
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 04:46:34 AM
I’m going to take a guess: is it John Antill?
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 04:51:46 AM
That's the indirecrt connection I was talking about. And Bartok was good friends with Enescu and born on the territory of present-day Romania, so a double hint.
And, there's a live recording of Enescu conducting Bartók's MSPC in a posthumous homage to Dinu Lipatti, which it took me ages to find but finally got my hands on this summer  :):

(https://img.discogs.com/QXwegeZRJRGjPKXQKdIYaj3BN7E=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-10122176-1492006213-9983.jpeg.jpg)

Can you give us a hint? Judging from the picture’s link: he’s Australian or maybe not?
European, but with ties to America...

Think opera...
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 04:54:14 AM
Think opera...

That's the first thing that came into my mind when seeing his eye make-up.  ;D

Looks familiar, indeed.
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 04:58:46 AM
This game is actually getting more and more difficult as time progresses.

For me, this is the most interesting thread* in a long while.  ;D

* excluding classics such as WAYLT, RTYAC or PT.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 05:01:04 AM
European, but with ties to America...

Think opera...

Did he compose anything besides operas?
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
Did he compose anything besides operas?
I suppose so, but Ive never heard anything by him except this one opera, which was quite successful in its day, and still has a faint foothold in the repertoire.

Another of his operas was given in concert  form in NYC some years ago...
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 05:23:48 AM
I suppose so, but Ive never heard anything by him except this one opera, which was quite successful in its day, and still has a faint foothold in the repertoire.

Another of his operas was given in concert  form in NYC some years ago...

I give up...I haven’t the foggiest idea of who this composer could be. I’m no lover of opera, so I suppose this definitely works against me here.
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 05:28:18 AM
I can't give his home country as a clue, as that would give it away.. . This in itself is a clue... ;)
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I can't give his home country as a clue, as that would give it away.. . This in itself is a clue... ;)

Indeed. Well, I’ll leave this for the other gentlemen here. As I mentioned, opera isn’t my specialty, so there’s no way I could even make an educated guess.
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
Emilio Arrieta?  ;D
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 06:11:47 AM
Emilio Arrieta?  ;D
AFAIK, Arrieta had no ties to America...

This man's operas were given in New York and Chicago... His most famous opera was permièred by Tullio Serafin, and there's a complete recording with Plácido Domingo as one of the leads...
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Post by: Spineur on October 25, 2017, 06:22:06 AM
Pietro Mascagni ?  He does not look like the picture, but he fits the little clue you gave.
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 06:31:03 AM
You're getting close, very close...

This man is more obscure than Mascagni, but I think that opera of his that still enjoys some circulation is far superior than anything Mascagni ever wrote..

Hint: As did Mascagni, this man also based an opera on a play by Gabriele d'Annunzio...
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Post by: Turner on October 25, 2017, 06:33:42 AM
 I have tried a few obscure ones, including Zandonai, Wolf-Ferrari and Floyd, but it´s not one of those.
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 06:38:13 AM
I have tried a few obscure ones, including Zandonai, Wolf-Ferrari and Floyd, but it´s not one of those.
Zandonai is a good guess...but no.

There's a live recording of the opera from the MET, conducted by the composer in 1941. He had settled in Southern California by then...
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 06:46:10 AM
Italo Montemezzi.

As we Romanians say, not even the Devil has heard about him.  ;D
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 06:51:23 AM
Never even heard of that composer.
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 06:55:03 AM
Italo Montemezzi.

As we Romanians say, not even the Devil has heard about him.  ;D
Yes, finally!

His opera L'amore dei tre re was premiered by Tullio Serafin at La Scala in 1913, and then performed in New York (under Toscanini) and Chicago. Montemezzi himself conducted it at the Met in 1941 (with Grace Moore and Ezio Pinza), and a off-the-air recording is available on CD. Later, Plácido Domingo, Anna Moffo and Cesare Siepi recorded it for RCA under Nello Santi.

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51S8JS8OKtL._AC_US218_.jpg)

His opera La nave is based on d'Annunzio, and was given by NYC's Teatro Grattacielo opera company in 2012.

I couldn't (initially) say he was Italian, as that was kind of unveiling his christian name.  :D

L'amore dei tre re is well worth exploring....a more refined version of Italian verismo, with wagnerian, debussyian and straussian influences.

Florestan's turn, of course.  :)
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 07:04:00 AM
Who is this?
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 07:08:32 AM
Hồ Chí Minh ?
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 07:14:12 AM
Hồ Chí Minh ?

Author of Die Entfuehrung aus Saigon and Nixon in Indochina.

No, not him, but nice guess.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 07:46:04 AM
How about Sinn Sing Hoi?
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
How about Sinn Sing Hoi?

At first I thought you concocted this name.  :laugh:

No, not him either.
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 07:59:19 AM
At first I thought you concocted this name.  :laugh:

No, not him either.

:D

Can you give us a hint?
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 08:03:57 AM
He was also a conductor, in which quality he conducted two very famous operas, one of which was recorded and is still acclaimed as an authoritative one.
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 08:06:00 AM
He was also a conductor, in which quality he conducted two very famous operas, ...
As famous as L'amore dei tre re?  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 08:15:01 AM
As famous as L'amore dei tre re?  ;)

As famous as, say, Carmen.
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Post by: pjme on October 25, 2017, 09:31:44 AM
(http://www.libraryconservatoryantwerp.be/benoit/images/benoit_home.jpg)

No, in spite of what you may think, his music is not that somber or tormented ... He was a conductor and an important director of a conservatory. Some of his oratoria were immensely popular.

P.
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Post by: Christo on October 25, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
No, in spite of what you may think, his music is not that somber or tormented ... He was a conductor and an important director of a conservatory. Some of his oratoria were immensely popular.

P.
As a neighbour from one of the other low countries, I of course recognize the Flemish patriarch immediately. But does that count?  8)
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Post by: Turner on October 25, 2017, 10:16:48 AM
(http://www.libraryconservatoryantwerp.be/benoit/images/benoit_home.jpg)

No, in spite of what you may think, his music is not that somber or tormented ... He was a conductor and an important director of a conservatory. Some of his oratoria were immensely popular.

P.

I´ve got his Requiem and a bit more (without checking I think a Flute Concerto).

But my intuitive feeling is that we are dealing with two separate riddles now, not just one ... I´m les familiar with Asian composers, though Naxos has done a lot to promote both Japanese and Chinese ones.
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 10:26:11 AM
But my intuitive feeling is that we are dealing with two separate riddles now, not just one ... I´m les familiar with Asian composers, though Naxos has done a lot to promote both Japanese and Chinese ones.

Guys, here's a hint: despite the look, he was not Asian. He was not even half Asian. He was as European as it gets, doubly so in fact. Now, that's actually two hints.  :)
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Post by: pjme on October 25, 2017, 10:33:32 AM
OK - allow me to solve all the riddles...

Florestan gave us a portrait of a very young Henri Büsser (he conducted early performances of Pelléas) and -indeed - I showed a famous painting of Peter Benoit...who as a young man conducted operetta in Paris (Bouffes Parisiens / Offenbach), became the first director of the Flemish Conservatory in Antwerp ..and "learned the people sing".

(https://gvacdn.akamaized.net/Assets/Images_Upload/2017/05/29/c6999a22-43a2-11e7-a04e-aeb2cfa24dc8_web_scale_0.0948509_0.0948509__.jpg?maxheight=460&maxwidth=629)

Benoit has  a quite impressive monument in Antwerp, designed by Henry Van de Velde, no less! After years of neglect, graffiti and other maltreatment, it was finally restaured earlier this year.
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Post by: Turner on October 25, 2017, 10:36:51 AM
Buesser, well that was a surprise. All I know is that he orchestrated some Debussy.
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Post by: Florestan on October 25, 2017, 10:51:09 AM
Well done, Peter! Your turn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_B%C3%BCsser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_B%C3%BCsser)
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Post by: Spineur on October 25, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
Never heard of this french composer !  If his music is as impressive as his tie, he is a must listen to...
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Post by: André on October 25, 2017, 11:15:13 AM
Büsser is known - when at all - for his orchestrations of Debussy. A bit like Caplet. I don’t have a note of his music. I do have a suite from Benoit’s opera The Pacification of Ghent. But even if you beat me with a stick I’d never recognize him in a line up !
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Post by: ritter on October 25, 2017, 11:18:39 AM
Never heard of this french composer !  If his music is as impressive as his tie, he is a must listen to...
I only knew him for his orchestrations of Debussy, and for his "arrangement" (along with Paul Dukas) of Les Indes galantes, as given in the Paris Opéra in the 50s and early 60s (the recording of which I bought not long ago and briefly discussed with you, Spineur, in the baroque opera thread). I can't locate any recordings of Büsser's original music, though...

At least he recorded his orchestration of Debussy's Petite suite, reissued on the enterprising Forgotten Records label:

(https://forgottenrecords.com/data/covers/debussy-nocturnes-la-mer-petite-suite-fourestier-busser-front.jpg)  (https://forgottenrecords.com/data/covers/debussy-nocturnes-la-mer-petite-suite-fourestier-busser-back.jpg)
Well played, Andrei!  8)

Of Peter Benoit I must admit I had never heard of... :-[

EDIT: Looking for recordings of Henri Büsser, I've just found out that a complete recording of Massenet's Manon with Fanny Heldy, which remember was in my grandmother's house in what must have been like one hundred 78 rpm discs, was conducted by him. A bit of a nostalgic moment there...
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 25, 2017, 06:04:16 PM
I know it’s not my turn, but I just have to stump you guys! Who is this composer?

GOOD LUCK!!!! >:D
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Post by: pjme on October 26, 2017, 12:05:08 AM
The music by Benoit is hardly ever performed these days. His Third Fantasia for piano is rather well known and shows him in his most elegant/lyrical vein.

https://www.youtube.com/v/-CF-JpbNjoE

The contrast with his oratoria ( Lucifer, Rubens, de Schelde...)- could not be greater. They require enormous forces (19th. century/necessary for open air performances) and are, let's say, less refined.

https://www.youtube.com/v/CEoWft7jUsA

Here is an historical recording, Lodewijk de Vocht conducting.

OK, who is this?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Joseph_Jongen_%C3%A2g%C3%A9.jpg/730px-Joseph_Jongen_%C3%A2g%C3%A9.jpg)

Subtle orchestration wasn't possibly Benoit's forte, this composer, on the contrary, knew how to make an orchestra glitter and shine. I wouldn't be surprised if he is studying a score by Debussy ....

I have no clue at all about Mirror image latest mystery portrait... I will not use Google "Image search"!
Anyway - will be back only next Monday. No digital games or wizardry for a couple of days. Good luck and enjoy the weekend.
Peter
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Post by: Christo on October 26, 2017, 02:11:12 AM
OK, who is this?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Joseph_Jongen_%C3%A2g%C3%A9.jpg/730px-Joseph_Jongen_%C3%A2g%C3%A9.jpg)

Subtle orchestration wasn't possibly Benoit's forte, this composer, on the contrary, knew how to make an orchestra glitter and shine. I wouldn't be surprised if he is studying a score by Debussy ....
Your discription leaves only two major options open: Arthur Meulemans and Joseph Jongen. I go for the latter. :-)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 26, 2017, 05:05:15 AM
It is indeed Jongen. One of Belgium’s best composers, whose superb symphonie concertante for organ and orchestra is probably his best known work (there are multiple recordings of it - it appears twice in the Liège Philharmonic big box, as well as his harp concerto and a few other works). Died in Sart-lez-Spa, a stone’s throw from my wife’s home town.

MI: give us a clue, I’m clueless too !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on October 26, 2017, 05:42:24 AM
I did use Google image search, and have to confess I have never heard of him.  I don't even remember MI posting about him.

So I will leave one clue: Orfeo, jessop and alien may recognize his name.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 26, 2017, 05:53:08 AM
I did use Google image search, and have to confess I have never heard of him.  I don't even remember MI posting about him.

So I will leave one clue: Orfeo, jessop and alien may recognize his name.
No result for those few composers in the area I immediately recall 😕 (If that is the clue)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2017, 05:56:46 AM
I’ll give only two clues as to who the composer is in my photo I posted: he was one of the first composers to introduce the avant-garde to his home country and as a conductor he introduced his country to a multitude of avant-gardist composers and also was involved in the premiere performance of Schoenberg’s Pierrot Lunaire in his country.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2017, 06:18:36 AM
I finally have everyone stumped! I’m loving this! :P
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Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 07:10:35 AM
I finally have everyone stumped! I’m loving this! :P

My turn will come soon, so beware! I'm already preparing my revenge.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 26, 2017, 07:20:54 AM
My turn will come soon, so beware! I'm already preparing my revenge.   :laugh:

pssssst: REALLY obscure Gagauz composer from Moldova, here. One (what's in a name!) D. Gagauz, nobody knows him: https://ibn.idsi.md/sites/default/files/imag_file/Osobenosti%20kompozitii%20dramaturghii.pdf #tip  ;D
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Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 07:36:12 AM
pssssst: REALLY obscure Gagauz composer from Moldova, here. One (what's in a name!) D. Gagauz, nobody knows him: https://ibn.idsi.md/sites/default/files/imag_file/Osobenosti%20kompozitii%20dramaturghii.pdf #tip  ;D

Nah, too easy!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 26, 2017, 07:46:31 AM
pssssst: REALLY obscure Gagauz composer from Moldova, here. One (what's in a name!) D. Gagauz, nobody knows him: https://ibn.idsi.md/sites/default/files/imag_file/Osobenosti%20kompozitii%20dramaturghii.pdf #tip  ;D

Fireworks and general merriment is now being reported from Moldova  :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on October 26, 2017, 07:51:23 AM
Fireworks and general merriment is now being reported from Moldova  :laugh:
Nope. Nobody there knows him either; he's Gagauz (i.e. Turkish speaking, but Orthodox minority) ...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2017, 07:57:57 AM
My turn will come soon, so beware! I'm already preparing my revenge.   :laugh:

Still stumped on the composer I linked, eh? ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
Still stumped on the composer I linked, eh? ;)

I found him with Google Image Search right away. Had no patience to try to guess him, which would have been impossible anyway.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2017, 08:00:51 AM
I found him with Google Image Search right away. Had no patience to try to guess him, which would have been impossible anyway.

So, who is the composer then?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 26, 2017, 08:05:55 AM
Nope. Nobody there knows him either; he's Gagauz (i.e. Turkish speaking, but Orthodox minority) ...
Ok, then there's probably some way to go yet. But you must admit that this was a start 8)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 08:06:03 AM
So, who is the composer then?

Richard Meale, who else?  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 08:17:01 AM
There, my turn again.

These two brothers grew up to be musicians. One very famous, one very obscure. Who is the famous one, who is the obscure one?

EDIT: this is the only hint I'll give.  ;D

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 26, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
I found him with Google Image Search right away. Had no patience to try to guess him, which would have been impossible anyway.

Does everybody do that?  ???

Cheats !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 26, 2017, 01:24:33 PM
Does everybody do that?  ???

Cheats !

I know the option exists, but no. For one thing, realizing one's limits regarding that obscure material isn't really embarrassing, or a personal disaster. Secondly, I like and prefer tracing the clues - the pictures themselves will only now and then 'ring a bell' (such as the painting of Benoit).
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on October 26, 2017, 01:40:06 PM
Thanks, that’s better. I enjoy the search, but prefer to give up if I can’t find the image.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on October 26, 2017, 01:45:13 PM
Thanks, that’s better. I enjoy the search, but prefer to give up if I can’t find the image.

Same here, also I prefer certain genres/subjects.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on October 26, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
Does everybody do that?  ???

Cheats !

I did it but only posted another clue to his identity.
I tried it now for Florestan's pair of brothers, but Florestan was especially diabolical with this one: Google's response was "best guess for this image: family". :P
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2017, 05:55:44 PM
I don’t really understand the need for Andrei to cheat (or whoever else is doing it). It’s one thing if the link pictured has the composer’s name in it, which Andrei unfortunately had in one of his pictures, but to go out of your way and search the image isn’t really fair and takes the fun out of it. There’s no harm in saying “I have no idea who that composer is.” I’ve said this several times already.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 10:36:19 PM
I don’t really understand the need for Andrei to cheat (or whoever else is doing it).

Cheating is naming the composer as if you guessed, when in fact you googled the picture. That's not what I did. I didn't disclosed the composer's name until you specifically asked me to do it.  :)




Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2017, 11:42:31 PM
I tried it now for Florestan's pair of brothers, but Florestan was especially diabolical with this one: Google's response was "best guess for this image: family". :P

Well, that was yesterday. Google's response to my searching my own image today was "best guess for this image: portrait". They're probably working on the riddle, too.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 28, 2017, 05:24:18 AM
It looks like the tread got stuck by Florestan.  Here is one that is far easier as all GMG members know this composer name even though few are familiar with his work (this is a hint).

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 28, 2017, 05:40:14 AM
Etienne Mehul?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 28, 2017, 05:45:25 AM
Etienne Mehul?
No but you are close.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 28, 2017, 06:00:32 AM
Ah, yes, Rodolphe Kreutzer.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 28, 2017, 06:07:08 AM
Ah, yes, Rodolphe Kreutzer.
So you see it was easy.  And everybody did listen to Kreutzer sonata but not so many to La mort d'Abel.  A pity because it is a beautiful piece of music especially in its revised 1828 form.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on October 28, 2017, 06:18:26 AM
So you see it was easy.  And everybody did listen to Kreutzer sonata but not so many to La mort d'Abel.  A pity because it is a beautiful piece of music especially in its revised 1828 form.

Any rec for that?

This is what I have by him:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51nidpR1C4L._SS500.jpg)(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/185/MI0001185606.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

but I can't remember the last time I listened to them, if at all.  :)

TD: the two brothers are still waiting for being identified.  :laugh:

Hint: what do children do after the first snow?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on October 28, 2017, 07:00:42 AM
Any rec for that?
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/185/MI0001185606.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

This is the only available recording.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51O2mkf8hBL._SY400_.jpg)
A bit pricey but really worth it.  There is a 60-100 pages book with it.  It is one of my favorite Palazzetto Bru-Zane production.

Otherwise Kreutzer was a virtuoso violinist so he wrote well for his instrument.  I may get his studies recordings to see the evolution between him and Paganini
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 01:21:46 AM
This is the only available recording.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51O2mkf8hBL._SY400_.jpg)
A bit pricey but really worth it.  There is a 60-100 pages book with it.  It is one of my favorite Palazzetto Bru-Zane production.
...
+1....I was struck by the beauty of this work when I first purchased this CD+book, and should revisit it soon...

THREAD DUTY:

Let's keep on playing...even if it's not my turn.

Who is this fellow?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS53CwqojxnrtM_P06iYUA1RLbSVcIv4xbzbiDYBnDX8deTsXzeDQ)

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: zamyrabyrd on November 03, 2017, 02:42:22 AM
TD: the two brothers are still waiting for being identified.  :laugh:
Hint: what do children do after the first snow?

Grow corn?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 03:37:57 AM
Quote from: Florestan
TD: the two brothers are still waiting for being identified.  :laugh:
Hint: what do children do after the first snow?

Grow corn?
Or look for gold? Or compose Der Schneemann at age 11?

Erich Wolfgang Korngold and his hitherto unknown to me elder brother Hans Robert...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
Grow corn?
Or look for gold? Or compose Der Schneemann at age 11?

Erich Wolfgang Korngold and his hitherto unknown to me elder brother Hans Robert...

Finally!  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 05:48:02 AM
Yep...it seemed that the game had ground to a halt...The merit is zamyrabyrd's, of course...

Well, then...

Let's keep on playing...even if it's not my turn.

Who is this fellow?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS53CwqojxnrtM_P06iYUA1RLbSVcIv4xbzbiDYBnDX8deTsXzeDQ)


Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 05:53:51 AM
Any hint?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 05:55:26 AM
Think opera (but not only)...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 06:01:15 AM
Think opera (but not only)...

Another Italian about whom not even the devil has heard?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 06:04:14 AM
Another Italian about whom not even the devil has heard?  :laugh:
Italian he is...and any moderately cultured music lover will have heard of him (well, that applies to Montemezzi as well, so there you go  ;D ).
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 07:57:03 AM
I have no idea. Not even my favorite method works.
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Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 09:46:26 AM
At least 4 of his many operas were premiered in the Iberian peninsula...
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Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 09:53:03 AM
Mercadante?
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Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 10:00:06 AM
Mercadante?
Yes!...I have to dosify my clues better... ::)

 ;D
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Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 10:24:21 AM
Who is this?
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Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 10:30:16 AM
Who is this?
NPI  ;)...clue?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 10:56:57 AM
NPI  ;)...clue?

He was also a celebrated instrumentist. He was an eccentric, using as church music the chamber music of a much more famous composer. He was good friends with another famous composer, with whom he shared the same ideals.

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Post by: ritter on November 03, 2017, 01:14:56 PM
Still no idea... ::)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 03, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
There´s a physical resemblance to Clementi, but the picture shows a relatively young man in a suit that doesn´t correspond to the time when Clementi was at that age, I believe.

And Clementi isn´t known for church music either ...

More clues needed, I think.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 03, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
Still no idea... ::)

He premiered the work of a famous composer who had written it for another famous performer and composer but the latter turned it down.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Crudblud on November 03, 2017, 02:26:06 PM
He premiered the work of a famous composer who had written it for another famous performer and composer but the latter turned it down.
Something tells me that famous composer was Berlioz and that work was Harold en Italie, so it would be Chrétien Urhan.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 04, 2017, 12:21:32 AM
Something tells me that famous composer was Berlioz and that work was Harold en Italie, so it would be Chrétien Urhan.

Exactly. Your turn, sir.
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Post by: Crudblud on November 04, 2017, 03:06:05 AM
Here you go. Who's this handsome chap?
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Post by: ritter on November 04, 2017, 03:10:33 AM
I looked up "cross-eyed composers" in google, but unfortunately got no useful results  ;D
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Post by: The new erato on November 04, 2017, 03:38:01 AM
William Boyce?
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Post by: Florestan on November 04, 2017, 03:56:03 AM
William Boyce?

Judging by the attire and the peruque style, the guy lived earlier than Boyce.
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Post by: The new erato on November 04, 2017, 04:46:08 AM
Really thinking about John Blow, got the B’s mixed up.
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Post by: Crudblud on November 04, 2017, 06:45:00 AM
It ain't Boyce, gents (and/or ladies). Nor's it Blow, although that's a pretty decent guess.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 04, 2017, 10:00:49 AM
I looked up "cross-eyed composers" in google, but unfortunately got no useful results  ;D

Google does know that he had strabismus.
But since I found him via Google, I will only say that Blow would think he lived on the wrong side of the sleeve.
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Post by: Florestan on November 04, 2017, 10:09:22 AM
Jean-Henri d'Anglebert
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Post by: Spineur on November 04, 2017, 10:16:34 AM
Jean-Henri d'Anglebert
Bravo ! I was pretty sure it was a french wig but did not recognized d'Anglebert.  I have heard a few of his harpsicord pieces but I cant say I know much of his music.
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Post by: Florestan on November 04, 2017, 10:20:36 AM
Bravo !

Well, hat tip to Jeffrey Smith for providing the extremely useful hint that he was French and somehow similar to Blow.  :)

Who is this?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 04, 2017, 11:33:16 AM
Well, hat tip to Jeffrey Smith for providing the extremely useful hint that he was French and somehow similar to Blow.  :)

Who is this?
At first sight: Percy Grainger.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 04, 2017, 11:38:25 AM
At first sight: Percy Grainger.

I knew it was too easy...

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 04, 2017, 11:54:39 AM
I knew it was too easy...
OK, another easy one: symphonist, spent his most creative years in Paris:

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 04, 2017, 12:17:06 PM
It's Mattijs Vermeulen, pretty easy to deduct.

Am not able to post pictures right now, others are welcome.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 04, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
It's Mattijs Vermeulen, pretty easy to deduct.

Am not able to post pictures right now, others are welcome.
Almost :-) correct: Matthijs Vermeulen (his real name was Matthijs van der Meulen; 'Vermeulen' is also a common name, nothing specifically artistic about, but better sounding). Another easy one, his contemporary:
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Post by: Crudblud on November 04, 2017, 01:09:14 PM
Almost :-) correct: Matthijs Vermeulen (his real name was Matthijs van der Meulen; 'Vermeulen' is also a common name, nothing specifically artistic about, but better sounding). Another easy one, his contemporary:
Heitor Villa-Lobos?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 04, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
Heitor Villa-Lobos?
.... as a young artist. Your turn!
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Post by: Crudblud on November 04, 2017, 03:05:45 PM
Alright, let's try this one.
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Post by: ritter on November 04, 2017, 03:14:03 PM
Bernd-Alois Zimmermann
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Post by: kishnevi on November 04, 2017, 04:13:13 PM
I knew it was too easy...

It was too hard for  Google Image Search, which identified him as Cyril Scott. :D
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 04, 2017, 05:26:36 PM
I’m curious how many of you are able to do a Google image search whenever the image has been uploaded to someone’s computer and the file is renamed? Is there a special search function on Google that I’m unaware of? I mean when Andrei (Florestan) guessed one of the images I uploaded (which happened to be Richard Meale an Australian composer), in the back of my mind, I was most certain I had everyone stumped.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 04, 2017, 05:33:12 PM
If you have Google Chrome, right click on the image and one of the options offered is an image search.

If you don't have Chrome, do a search on the phrase "reverse image search" to find the method for your own OS.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 04, 2017, 05:41:56 PM
If you have Google Chrome, right click on the image and one of the options offered is an image search.

If you don't have Chrome, do a search on the phrase "reverse image search" to find the method for your own OS.

But I don’t understand how someone can get the original image URL from a file that I saved to my computer and renamed?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on November 04, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
But I don’t understand how someone can get the original image URL from a file that I saved to my computer and renamed?

Google (in essence) loads the data that defines the pixels of your image and hunts up images that match that data set. IOW it's looking for an image, not an URL. It shows several results and gives a "best guess".

Sometimes it's wrong, as when it told me that picture of Percy Grainger was Cyril Scott.

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 04, 2017, 05:50:32 PM
Google (in essence) loads the data that defines the pixels of your image and hunts up images that match that data set. IOW it's looking for an image, not an URL. It shows several results and gives a "best guess".

Sometimes it's wrong, as when it told me that picture of Percy Grainger was Cyril Scott.

Hmmm...interesting. What you can do these days is certainly astonishing.
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 04, 2017, 06:08:41 PM
I’m curious how many of you are able to do a Google image search whenever the image has been uploaded to someone’s computer and the file is renamed? Is there a special search function on Google that I’m unaware of? I mean when Andrei (Florestan) guessed one of the images I uploaded (which happened to be Richard Meale an Australian composer), in the back of my mind, I was most certain I had everyone stumped.

I recognised him when I saw the photo but Florestan had already replied.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 04, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
I recognised him when I saw the photo but Florestan had already replied.

I knew you would recognize him being a fellow Australian and a composer. ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 04, 2017, 10:23:43 PM
I have Mozilla Firefox. Irrespective whether the image is copy-pasted in the message body or attached to it, I rightclick it, select "copy image location" and then paste it on Google Image Search.

As for the Grainger / Scott confusion, I originally intended to post Scott and I looked for a picture different than the classic ones. After posting it, I realized that they were dead wrong, that is Grainger alright.  :D

This is Cyril SCott:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/558ef1dae4b0a675d66b3f55/t/56a6b123fd5d087694ed5ecf/1453764899551/cyril.jpg?format=300w)
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Post by: Turner on November 04, 2017, 10:59:50 PM
So here´s a new riddle.

Some might be able to guess a bit about the region from the background architecture.
I think he´s mainly been known for some concertante works some decades ago, but there are more pieces now.  Has especially been promoted by two labels with quite exclusive cover designs and a preference for black, and black & white.
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 04, 2017, 11:45:59 PM
So here´s a new riddle.

Some might be able to guess a bit about the region from the background architecture.
I think he´s mainly been known for some concertante works some decades ago, but there are more pieces now.  Has especially been promoted by two labels with quite exclusive cover designs and a preference for black, and black & white.

I am pretty sure that ECM is one of the record labels (is the other one BIS?).......and if that architecture is something kinda east of Europe or from the Caucasus region would it be safe to guess that this is Tigran Mansurian? (google image search was not used but Wikipedia and the ECM online catalogue helped me)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 04, 2017, 11:52:31 PM
I am pretty sure that ECM is one of the record labels (is the other one BIS?).......and if that architecture is something kinda east of Europe or from the Caucasus region would it be safe to guess that this is Tigran Mansurian? (google image search was not used but Wikipedia and the ECM online catalogue helped me)
Indeed, well thought through. (The other label is Orfeo) 👍

BTW, there´s now an interesting Brilliant Classics budget release I didn´t know about
https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/8315527--mansurian-songs-and-instrumental-music
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 05, 2017, 12:50:17 AM
The hint is the instrument she is resting her elbow on is the instrument for which she is best known these days for composing, although she was quite unusual in that she wrote music across a wide variety of genres at the time, not simply sticking mainly to one.

Also I have mentioned her name in a post I made somewhat recently I think........
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 12:54:19 AM
I somehow remembered that instantly - Elisabeth Jacquet de la Guerre  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Jacquet_de_La_Guerre

A portrait displaying a remarkable self-confidence ...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 05, 2017, 01:03:15 AM
I somehow remembered that instantly - Elisabeth Jacquet de la Guerre  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Jacquet_de_La_Guerre

A portrait displaying a remarkable self-confidence ...
Aha very quick! Well I guess it is over to you again! :)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 01:04:01 AM
Thank you. Moving on to a new one:

1) He is not related to Emma Kirkby, but the latitudes of their places of birth aren´t that different ...

2) He only lived to be 50 years old.

3) He composed in a lot of genres. There´s a CD box with all of his works.

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 01:08:28 AM
I somehow remembered that instantly - Elisabeth Jacquet de la Guerre  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Jacquet_de_La_Guerre

A portrait displaying a remarkable self-confidence ...
Indeed. Since there aren't that many female baroque composers whose work is known to us these days, and jessop has championed her music here on GMG, this one was easy... ;)

Well, since I recognized Zimmermann instantly last night after Crudblud posted him, I guess it's my turn:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lj-ah3a71Lc/maxresdefault.jpg)

P.S.: Ooops, I see Turner has also posted. Well, two simultaneous riddles then  :)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 01:14:25 AM
Is it a lesser known picture of the younger Dallapiccola?


Goldoni on the book shelf behind him is a rather local, Italian thing, at least ...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 01:16:18 AM
Is it a lesser known picture of the younger Dallapiccola?


Goldoni on the book shelf behind him is a rather local, Italian thing, at least ...
Very, very close....but no.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 01:20:52 AM
Ok, Petrassi it is then. Somehow he keeps being a bit neglected, except perhaps for those orchestral concertos ... not that big a name any longer, I think.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 01:22:59 AM
Ok, Petrassi it is then. Somehow he keeps being a bit neglected, except for those orchestral concertos.
Petrassi it is...as for your picture, Turner, I don't have the foggiest idea... ::)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 01:34:06 AM
Petrassi it is...as for your picture, Turner, I don't have the foggiest idea... ::)

I guess the problem is that X hasn´t really been promoted by other labels than a rather local record company.

There are many different works, including orchestral ones, and some featuring a clarinet. There´s also a symphony involving vocal soloists, but his works tend to be intrumental, by far.

And, as already said:

1) He is not related to Emma Kirkby, but the latitudes of their places of birth aren´t that different ...

2) He only lived to be 50 years old.

3) He composed in a lot of genres. There´s a CD box with all of his works.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 05, 2017, 01:35:03 AM
Indeed. Since there aren't that many female baroque composers whose work is known to us these days, and jessop has championed her music here on GMG, this one was easy... ;)

Well, since I recognized Zimmermann instantly last night after Crudblud posted him, I guess it's my turn:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lj-ah3a71Lc/maxresdefault.jpg)

P.S.: Ooops, I see Turner has also posted. Well, two simultaneous riddles then  :)

Love a bit of Petrassi, only came across his music very recently actually
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 03:25:43 AM
Also, it is very likely that X´s personal name was taken from a Wagner opera.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 05, 2017, 04:40:42 AM
Thank you. Moving on to a new one:

1) He is not related to Emma Kirkby, but at the latitudes of their places of birth aren´t that different ...

2) He only lived to be 50 years old.

3) He composed in a lot of genres. There´s a CD box with all of his works.
Again a very easy one, I even met the guy. Tristan Keuris, it is.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 04:44:42 AM
Again a very easy one, I even met the guy. Tristan Keuris, it is.
Yes, of course. How did you meet him?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 05, 2017, 04:50:23 AM
Yes, of course. How did you meet him?
In the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, just like Louis Andriessen and others. Amsterdam is a village. :-)

Another one, not that difficult:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 05, 2017, 08:00:59 AM
Another one, not that difficult:

I don't recognize him at first sight, but he looks like he's fed up with everything and everyone.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
I don't recognize him at first sight, but he looks like he's fed up with everything and everyone.  ;D
He's probably thinking "Oh no, I have to play the organ again!"...  ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Spineur on November 05, 2017, 09:28:00 AM
Pfitzner ???
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 05, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
He's probably thinking "Oh no, I have to play the organ again!"...  ;)

Was he mainly a composer of organ music, or other genres? I tried a few German, Belgian and Dutch composers, but without result.

Indeed, a smile on that face would be quite a contrast to the mood he seems to be in ;D


Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 10:10:06 AM
Was he mainly a composer of organ music, or other genres? I tried a few German, Belgian and Dutch composers, but without result.
Go east, young man, go east!  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 05, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
Go east, young man, go east!  ;D

Too vague. Please give us a useful hint.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 05, 2017, 10:44:33 AM
Go east, young man, go east!  ;D
Wrong: North. But he ended up living in Berlin.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Wrong: North. But he ended up living in Berlin.
Well, the last time I looked at the map his birthplace was east and north of Berlin (and of the countries Turner mentoned),

So, go northeast, young man, go northeast!  :)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 05, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
In the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, just like Louis Andriessen and others. Amsterdam is a village. :-)

Another one, not that difficult:

What genre was he most prolific in?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 05, 2017, 11:07:22 AM
not that difficult:

Not that difficult my a$$! Not even the devil has heard about him!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 11:13:05 AM
Not that difficult my a$$! Not even the devil has heard about him!!!!  ;D
Montemezzi starting to look mega-famous now, eh?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 05, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
What genre was he most prolific in?

Save your time! This is Christo's revenge for Richard Meale.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 05, 2017, 11:16:56 AM
Montemezzi starting to look mega-famous now, eh?  :laugh:

Only because I learned him before, but I swear that when my turn comes I will get this thread stuck  for a decade!   >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 05, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
What genre was he most prolific in?
Music, especially. His masterpiece is a huge oratorio about an unwilling messenger.

Save your time! This is Christo's revenge for Richard Meale.  ;D
>:D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 05, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
He comes from a land by the sea,
Of which there is not one, but three.

 ;)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on November 05, 2017, 01:53:39 PM
I'll add three hints.
His daughter became a composer.
His home country put him on some of its money (although during his own lifetime, it was not a country).
A string quartet named itself after him.

That was after checking Google image search....
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 05, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Save your time! This is Christo's revenge for Richard Meale.  ;D

:D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: springrite on November 05, 2017, 04:19:38 PM
I'll add three hints.
His daughter became a composer.
His home country put him on some of its money (although during his own lifetime, it was not a country).
A string quartet named itself after him.

That was after checking Google image search....

Seems to be Slovakian...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on November 05, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
Seems to be Slovakian...

Wrong latitude.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 05, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
So, go northeast, young man, go northeast!  :)
For you, of course, Andorra and about all of the rest of Europe are situated 'north-east'.  :D But the place under discussion lies exacctly on the geographical axis of the subcontinent and can therefore never be said to lie East or West, but only North or South.  8)

He comes from a land by the sea,
Of which there is not one, but three.
 ;)
;) Disagree again: there's no convincing connection between these 'three', and on the contrary, the Northern neighbour is the most closely related in most cultural and historical aspects.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 02:24:07 AM
Some more hints:

- judging by his, and his father's, mother's and daughter's name, he probably had the same relation with the natives of that country as Sibelius had with the Finns, ie he was born into the another-language-speaking social and cultural elite.

- the pianists Buchbinder and Koch.

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 02:32:21 AM
Disagree again: there's no convincing connection between these 'three'

Yes, there is and it's exactly the connection described in the verses Rafael cited: all three lay on the shores of the same sea.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 06, 2017, 02:38:19 AM
Yes, there is and it's exactly the connection described in the verses Rafael cited: all three lay on the shores of the same sea.
all three at least ten countries lay on the shores of the same sea  #fixed  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: DaveF on November 06, 2017, 03:01:20 AM
I actually think I know this one without any form of cheating: isn't this Rudolf Tobias, composer of Des Jona Sendung?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on November 06, 2017, 04:32:28 AM
I actually think I know this one without any form of cheating: isn't this Rudolf Tobias, composer of Des Jona Sendung?

We have a winner!

I confess to never having heard of him before.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 05:31:29 AM
all three at least ten countries lay on the shores of the same sea  #fixed  :D

Yeah but only those three on its easternmost shore, excluding Russia.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 05:32:10 AM
I actually think I know this one without any form of cheating: isn't this Rudolf Tobias, composer of Des Jona Sendung?

Have you ever heard that oratorio before?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 06, 2017, 05:54:42 AM
Well, only Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are collectively referred to as the three "Baltic Republics" (thus my cute octosyllabic verses--"Schlechte Zeit für Lyrik"  ;)). And they may well be at the "geographical axis of the subcontinent", but they are east (or northeast if you will) of Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany....  ::)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 06:13:35 AM
Well, only Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are collectively referred to as the three "Baltic Republics" (thus my cute octosyllabic verses--"Schlechte Zeit für Lyrik"  ;)).

Of course. With all due respect to our dear Christo, complaining about them being lumped together as "The Baltic States" is strikingly similar to our dear friend Mahlerian complaining about the use of "atonalism": pretty much everybody else use the term and understand it rightly, without any need for caveats, contextualizations or rationalizations.  :laugh:

And they may well be at the "geographical axis of the subcontinent", but they are east (or northeast if you will) of Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany....  ::)

The Earth is round, though. Go West from Germany far enough and you will eventually reach Tallin.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 06, 2017, 06:17:22 AM
Now we need a new riddle  8)

I wouldn´t call the Tobias riddle easy though, probably it´s 0,01 % or so of classical listeners who´ve heard of the name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Tobias
https://www.discogs.com/artist/2580047-Rudolf-Tobias
I´ve got an ouverture by him, his style is rather conservative, from what I know.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
Now we need a new riddle  8)

I wouldn´t call the Tobias riddle easy though, probably it´s 0,01 % or so of classical listeners who´ve heard of the name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Tobias
I´ve got an ouverture by him, his style is rather conservative, from what I know.

Well, here are my two cents on the matter.

Riddles involving lesser-known, or completely unkown, pictures of famous or relatively famous composers or relatively obscure composers for the public at large but not so for the GMGers are the most interesting, and all of us are theoretically able to solve them without having to cheat. Hence my penchant for posting children or teenager photos.

On the contrary, riddles involving very obscure composers that pretty much nobody else other than the proponent of the riddle has heard about --- about whom not even the devil has heard, as we say in Romanian in such cases --- are the least interesting, because no matter how many hints would be given, how can one guess somebody whose existence one completely ignores?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 06, 2017, 07:04:19 AM
I actually think I know this one without any form of cheating: isn't this Rudolf Tobias, composer of Des Jona Sendung?
He is. And his music is quite regularly performed, also out of Estonia. Check the recordings of his music.

Des Jona Sendung might even be called a masterpiece; try it!  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 06, 2017, 07:25:42 AM
He is. And his music is quite regularly performed, also out of Estonia. Check the recordings of his music.

Des Jona Sendung might even be called a masterpiece; try it!  ;D
It certainly has piqued my curiosity, Christo. Thanks for bringing him to our attention (even if you and I we cannot seem to agree on geography  :D ).

Cheers,

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 06, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
pretty much everybody else use the term and understand it rightly
Most people I heard using the term, included Finland. And sometimes exclude Lithuania (which is more 'Central European' oriented and not very 'Baltic'  after all; something I often heard Lithuanians themselve underline as well). So from my perspective it's not that obvious at all and 'Baltic countries' might refer to very different concepts and perspectives.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
Most people I heard using the term, included Finland. And sometimes exclude Lithuania (which is more 'Central European' oriented and not very 'Baltic'  after all; something I often heard Lithuanians themselve underline as well). So from my perspective it's not that obvious at all and 'Baltic countries' might refer to very different concepts and perspectives.

Just like I said: "The Baltic States" is geographic "atonality".  ;D  >:D  :P

Be it as it may, who is this?

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 06, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
How about a hint, Andrei?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 06, 2017, 10:26:38 AM
Is he French, for example?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 10:38:36 AM
How about a hint, Andrei?

See below.

Is he French, for example?

No, he's not French.

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 06, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
Another hint: it's not someone I looked for ad hoc; I own two recordings of his music.

Supplementary hint: his brother was an artist as well.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: DaveF on November 06, 2017, 01:37:51 PM
Have you ever heard [Des Jona Sendung] before?

A copy of the BIS recording was given to me by a friend from his large 'Out' pile.  It very quickly went onto my 'Out' pile too, and I confess to retaining no memories of it at all beyond the picture of the composer in the booklet.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 06, 2017, 11:13:02 PM
A copy of the BIS recording was given to me by a friend from his large 'Out' pile.  It very quickly went onto my 'Out' pile too, and I confess to retaining no memories of it at all beyond the picture of the composer in the booklet.
That's a real pity: I treasure Des Jona Sendung - comparable to Das Buch mit sieben Siegeln by Franz Schmidt. It's a very accomplished piece with a dark message too, very impressive IMHO. (I once wrote an essay on it and of course, that helps).  :)

It certainly has piqued my curiosity, Christo. Thanks for bringing him to our attention (even if you and I we cannot seem to agree on geography  :D ).

Cheers,
Cheers!  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 08, 2017, 01:29:15 AM
BUMP...

...and hint: he lived most of his life, and died, in a city where an ultra-super-very famous painter was born.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 08, 2017, 05:16:07 AM
BUMP...

...and hint: he lived most of his life, and died, in a city where an ultra-super-very famous painter was born.

Would the town be Malaga?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 08, 2017, 05:21:28 AM
Would the town be Malaga?

Yes.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 10, 2017, 12:46:56 AM
Still no idea? Think Grieg, Elgar and Lalo...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 10, 2017, 02:23:47 PM
If the town is Málaga, then our mysterious man is Eduardo Ocón Rivas...

I insist, compared to him, Italo Montemezzi seems as famous as Michael Jackson...
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 10, 2017, 02:44:35 PM
I insist, compared to him, Italo Montemezzi seems as famous as Michael Jackson...

+1 😎
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 10, 2017, 02:53:18 PM
If the town is Málaga, then our mysterious man is Eduardo Ocón Rivas...

I insist, compared to him, Italo Montemezzi seems as famous as Michael Jackson...
I was happy enough to visit Málaga - a great town/city that I really liked very much for its combination of 'real' history and an almost total neglect of it - a characteristic of many places that I love. I mean: never heard of Eduardo Ocón, to be honest. The only malagueño composer that I know is Emilio Lehmberg - and I think he's not a household name either.  ???
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on November 10, 2017, 03:04:54 PM
Now it's time for Ritter to post a composer so famous not even Florestan has heard of him.

I knew it was Ocon, but kept my mouth shut because I used Google image search to find him.  I too never heard of him.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 10, 2017, 03:11:10 PM
Now it's time for Ritter to post a composer so famous not even Florestan has heard of him.

I knew it was Ocon, but kept my mouth shut because I used Google image search to find him.  I too never heard of him.
I had never heard of him either...and, yes, I am Spanish  ::). Only some investigation about composers born in Málaga led me to him...and Lehmberg as well  ;)

Let's see...now for something completely different:

(http://bcmg-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/Image/1635-fitandcrop-635x357.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on November 10, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
I don't have any merit, you just posted about him in the WAYLT thread... ;)

Marc-André Dalbavie
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Post by: ritter on November 10, 2017, 03:42:23 PM
I don't have any merit, you just posted about him in the WAYLT thread... ;)

Marc-André Dalbavie
Indeed... Which means that at least someone listens to his music  ;)

Your turn, cher ami.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on November 10, 2017, 03:48:58 PM
Thanks Rafael!
I have no idea if this will be detectable to google imagists, but what can one do? To compound the problem, I have no idea if the url is detectable as well.

So, here goes:

(http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/blogs/falando-de-musica/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2017/02/Candido-Portinari.-Col.-Particular.-Fonte-Portal-Portinari-585x716.jpg)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on November 10, 2017, 05:31:38 PM
Time for a hint:

This composer is well known in his country and well known to the general disc buying public too: all his symphonies have been recorded on a major label.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 10, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
Time for a hint:

This composer is well known in his country and well known to the general disc buying public too: all his symphonies have been recorded on a major label.

Guarnieri?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on November 10, 2017, 06:24:13 PM
Yes ! You didn’t use artificial intelligence, did you ?  :D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 10, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
Yes ! You didn’t use artificial intelligence, did you ?  :D

No, but I’m familiar with the Brazilian artist who painted the composer.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on November 10, 2017, 06:27:00 PM
Wahhh ! And I thought using a painting would prove more difficult than a photography !
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 10, 2017, 06:29:29 PM
So yay...I suppose it’s my turn :) -

Who is this composer?
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Post by: kyjo on November 10, 2017, 06:46:12 PM
So yay...I suppose it’s my turn :) -

Who is this composer?

Ginastera?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 10, 2017, 07:31:42 PM
Ginastera?

Nope.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 10, 2017, 10:14:23 PM
Eduardo Nazareth?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 10, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
Those huge glasses hide a lot, but it seems that it could perhaps be Isang Yun.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on November 11, 2017, 02:58:57 AM
I insist, compared to him, Italo Montemezzi seems as famous as Michael Jackson...

Given that nobody but you heard about IM and nobody but me heard about EOyR, I'd say they are equally famous, in any case much less than Rudolf Tobias, about whom no less than two people have heard.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: ritter on November 11, 2017, 03:17:02 AM

So yay...I suppose it’s my turn :) -

Who is this composer?

(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27494.0;attach=53044;image)

(http://elluchador.info/web/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Jerry-Lewis.jpg)

Jerry Lewis?  :laugh:

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 06:38:11 AM
Eduardo Nazareth?

Nope.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
Those huge glasses hide a lot, but it seems that it could perhaps be Isang Yun.

Nope. Not even close.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 06:45:03 AM
I suppose I could give a hint: he was a prominent composer in his country. He studied under Chávez and even Copland while he attended Tanglewood.
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Post by: André on November 11, 2017, 08:22:28 AM
Given that nobody but you heard about IM and nobody but me heard about EOyR, I'd say they are equally famous, in any case much less than Rudolf Tobias, about whom no less than two people have heard.  :laugh:

I have a few works by him, he’s featured in the Chandos Music from Estonia series. I think he is a very good composer. But I never saw him pictured anywhere !
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Post by: André on November 11, 2017, 08:24:14 AM
I suppose I could give a hint: he was a prominent composer in his country. He studied under Chávez and even Copland while he attended Tanglewood.

He has a very dark complexion. My first guess was that he was egyptian, but this clue seems to point to a latin american origin.
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Post by: Florestan on November 11, 2017, 08:31:10 AM
Frantz Casseus?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 08:40:58 AM
Frantz Casseus?

Nope.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 08:42:18 AM
He has a very dark complexion. My first guess was that he was egyptian, but this clue seems to point to a latin american origin.

This very post has a clue within itself.
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Post by: Spineur on November 11, 2017, 09:45:41 AM
He looks like Alberto Ginastera.
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Post by: Florestan on November 11, 2017, 09:49:47 AM
Ginastera was white, this guy is obviously dark-skinned.
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Post by: André on November 11, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
This very post has a clue within itself.

Referring to his « very dark complexion » ? Or his « egyptian » looks ? Unless it’s the latin american origins ?? I don’t feel we have made great strides toward a positive identification, here  :laugh:
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Post by: kishnevi on November 11, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
Given that nobody but you heard about IM and nobody but me heard about EOyR, I'd say they are equally famous, in any case much less than Rudolf Tobias, about whom no less than two people have heard.  :laugh:

I knew about Montemezzi years ago, because of The Love of Three Kings, although I probably have never heard it (just checked--the Metropolitan Opera seems to have last performed it in 1941).  But there is a relatively modern recording of it, and a general audience is far more likely to have heard of him than to have heard of Tobias, Ocon, or  the Chavez disciple currently under consideration.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51S8JS8OKtL.jpg)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
He looks like Alberto Ginastera.

Nope. Not Ginastera.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2017, 05:59:46 PM
Referring to his « very dark complexion » ? Or his « egyptian » looks ? Unless it’s the latin american origins ?? I don’t feel we have made great strides toward a positive identification, here  :laugh:

Hmmm...an Egyptian that studied with Chavez and Copland...umm...no. Unless the Aztecs have something to do with the Egyptians...hmmm. :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 07:43:51 AM
Looks like I’ve got the crew stumped yet again. :) This is great to witness.
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Post by: Florestan on November 12, 2017, 07:52:57 AM
Looks like I’ve got the crew stumped yet again. :) This is great to witness.

It's the easiest thing in the world, actually. Look up for a list of composers from a specific region / country, pick one of the most obscure names, preferably one whose music has never been recorded (which, if Amazon.com is any indication, is precisely the case with your guy --- yes, I've googled him!  ;D ), and there! --- you stump everyone.

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Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2017, 07:58:12 AM
It's the easiest thing in the world, actually. Look up for a list of composers from a specific region / country, pick one of the most obscure names, preferably one whose music has never been recorded (which, if Amazon.com is any indication, is precisely the case with your guy --- yes, I've googled him!  ;D ), and there! --- you stump everyone.

But you wouldn’t have known who the composer is if you hadn’t looked him up, so therefore, you would be stumped and could only offer a guess, which you would, most definitely, have been wrong.

Actually, this particular composer was featured in a box set on Brilliant Classics and he’s not as obscure as Amazon would have you believe. Just because a composer doesn’t have many recordings doesn’t automatically mean they’re unknown.
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Post by: Florestan on November 12, 2017, 08:07:30 AM
But you wouldn’t have known who the composer is if you hadn’t looked him up, so therefore, you would be stumped and could only offer a guess, which you would, most definitely, have been wrong.

Precisely, and this brings me to a point I've made several times: how can one *guess* someone whose very existence one ignores completely?

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Just because a composer doesn’t have many recordings doesn’t automatically mean they’re unknown.

Had it not been for that particular recording would you have known him? Have you ever guessed somebody whom you didn't know beforehand without extensive research on Google? (I'm not talking about googling the picture, mind you!)
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Post by: kishnevi on November 12, 2017, 12:35:07 PM
Nope. Not Ginastera.

But there is an indirect connection between the mystery man and a relatively well known work by Ginastera.

The mystery man is as well known as Ocon and Tobias, imo.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: listener on November 13, 2017, 01:27:21 AM
Blas GALINDO Dimas?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 07:05:50 AM
Blas GALINDO Dimas?

Bingo!
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Post by: André on November 13, 2017, 07:07:14 AM
The obscurest of the obscure unknown composers... ::)
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 07:19:08 AM
Bingo!

Hey, just wait a minute!!!

If you do a google search by that image they say he is Daniel Ayala Perez

https://www.google.ro/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZism3kszTSc9aWpkLPxZrLxa458KrugUJpxNPXVxuyM4O-WpitL7pAg_1yARC_1YhHv1DN4LReFXUg2MHseLvbwnK8gzxxbYagWaP4HVNMBUQqVR0F3AXKGl8UtLQxbk8m9gyoE1awgWoagSqr_1p3T54fsHDtnT5I2R2iUEwulC479xxAsNk3JyrdJGpCfdfUnBroILB5y4lOI5AV4ZNR1KBv1HdKIqnS98sK7H8qkspGdzfvHPzW5iYZRVfMYi-wBxd77OaqFjThS6dicslE259dK5cIzPMuPscmsQi0xNBQ8JM3KgozgDFK0P3k16hD6tgvu9Uz0LH9Gd9ROFBLwk0aWEPf2PQ&btnG=Search%20by%20image&hl=en-RO (https://www.google.ro/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZism3kszTSc9aWpkLPxZrLxa458KrugUJpxNPXVxuyM4O-WpitL7pAg_1yARC_1YhHv1DN4LReFXUg2MHseLvbwnK8gzxxbYagWaP4HVNMBUQqVR0F3AXKGl8UtLQxbk8m9gyoE1awgWoagSqr_1p3T54fsHDtnT5I2R2iUEwulC479xxAsNk3JyrdJGpCfdfUnBroILB5y4lOI5AV4ZNR1KBv1HdKIqnS98sK7H8qkspGdzfvHPzW5iYZRVfMYi-wBxd77OaqFjThS6dicslE259dK5cIzPMuPscmsQi0xNBQ8JM3KgozgDFK0P3k16hD6tgvu9Uz0LH9Gd9ROFBLwk0aWEPf2PQ&btnG=Search%20by%20image&hl=en-RO)

 and there are three sites that identify him as such:

http://www.historiadelasinfonia.es/naciones/la-sinfonia-en-mexico/otros-compositores/ayala/ (http://www.historiadelasinfonia.es/naciones/la-sinfonia-en-mexico/otros-compositores/ayala/)

https://alchetron.com/Daniel-Ayala-P%C3%A9rez (https://alchetron.com/Daniel-Ayala-P%C3%A9rez)

https://www.ediciones.com.mx/?p=14603 (https://www.ediciones.com.mx/?p=14603)

Blas Galindo is this one:

(http://classic-online.ru/uploads/155400/155377.jpg)

The two are obviously different.

Confusing, to say the least.  ;D



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Post by: André on November 13, 2017, 07:22:36 AM

Can we proceed WITHOUT e-trickstery like Google Image ???  :'(
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 07:26:01 AM
Can we proceed WITHOUT e-trickstery like Google Image ???  :'(

You can proceed any way you wish.

My point is that the picture John provided is apparently not Galindo but Ayala.

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Post by: ritter on November 13, 2017, 07:35:53 AM
You can proceed any way you wish.

My point is that the picture John provided is apparently not Galindo but Ayala.
Look at the bright side of things: compared to this, even Rudolf Tobias would seem to enjoy mega-star status.  ::)

I also googled the image (and immediately stopped playing, of course, as I couldn't even provide any worthwhile clues) and the result was not Galindo, but Ayala. But then the man in the picture you provided for Galindo, Andrei, could well be the man in the picture that John gave us. They wear very similar glasses, and perhaps he just stopped dying his hair  :D. 

Galindo is in that Brilliant Classics box set of Mexican music John gave as a clue. Ayala, IIRC, is not...

All very, very confusing... ???
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 07:40:07 AM
Look at the bright side of things: compared to this, even Rudolf Tobias would seem to enjoy mega-star status.  ::)

 :laugh:

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I also googled the image (and immediately stopped playing, of course, as I couldn't even provide any worthwhile clues)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with googling the image, as long as one doesn't post the name of the composer pretending one guessed him --- and nobody here did that.

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and the result was not Galindo, but Ayala. But then the man in the picture you provided for Galindo, Andrei, could well be the man in the picture that John gave us. They wear very similar glasses, and perhaps he just stopped dying his hair  :D. 

Galindo is in that Brilliant Classics box set of Mexican music John gave as a clue. Ayala, IIRC, is not...

I have that box myself and checked immediately after John alluded to it, not for Galindo but for Ayala.

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All very, very confusing... ???

This is what happens when one picks obscure names, not even Google can sort them out properly...  ;D
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 07:43:29 AM
Hey, just wait a minute!!!

If you do a google search by that image they say he is Daniel Ayala Perez

https://www.google.ro/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZism3kszTSc9aWpkLPxZrLxa458KrugUJpxNPXVxuyM4O-WpitL7pAg_1yARC_1YhHv1DN4LReFXUg2MHseLvbwnK8gzxxbYagWaP4HVNMBUQqVR0F3AXKGl8UtLQxbk8m9gyoE1awgWoagSqr_1p3T54fsHDtnT5I2R2iUEwulC479xxAsNk3JyrdJGpCfdfUnBroILB5y4lOI5AV4ZNR1KBv1HdKIqnS98sK7H8qkspGdzfvHPzW5iYZRVfMYi-wBxd77OaqFjThS6dicslE259dK5cIzPMuPscmsQi0xNBQ8JM3KgozgDFK0P3k16hD6tgvu9Uz0LH9Gd9ROFBLwk0aWEPf2PQ&btnG=Search%20by%20image&hl=en-RO (https://www.google.ro/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZism3kszTSc9aWpkLPxZrLxa458KrugUJpxNPXVxuyM4O-WpitL7pAg_1yARC_1YhHv1DN4LReFXUg2MHseLvbwnK8gzxxbYagWaP4HVNMBUQqVR0F3AXKGl8UtLQxbk8m9gyoE1awgWoagSqr_1p3T54fsHDtnT5I2R2iUEwulC479xxAsNk3JyrdJGpCfdfUnBroILB5y4lOI5AV4ZNR1KBv1HdKIqnS98sK7H8qkspGdzfvHPzW5iYZRVfMYi-wBxd77OaqFjThS6dicslE259dK5cIzPMuPscmsQi0xNBQ8JM3KgozgDFK0P3k16hD6tgvu9Uz0LH9Gd9ROFBLwk0aWEPf2PQ&btnG=Search%20by%20image&hl=en-RO)

 and there are three sites that identify him as such:

http://www.historiadelasinfonia.es/naciones/la-sinfonia-en-mexico/otros-compositores/ayala/ (http://www.historiadelasinfonia.es/naciones/la-sinfonia-en-mexico/otros-compositores/ayala/)

https://alchetron.com/Daniel-Ayala-P%C3%A9rez (https://alchetron.com/Daniel-Ayala-P%C3%A9rez)

https://www.ediciones.com.mx/?p=14603 (https://www.ediciones.com.mx/?p=14603)

Blas Galindo is this one:

(http://classic-online.ru/uploads/155400/155377.jpg)

The two are obviously different.

Confusing, to say the least.  ;D

Oh well...

Clearly from my clues I meant Blas Galindo. I found an image of him (or least who I thought was him), saved it to my computer, and posted it here. In my defense, the two men do look rather similar.

Anyway, this game has become quite tiresome since there’s too many members here relying on Google image search and not on their actual knowledge of the composer in question. There’s a reason why clues are given: to help us think not cheat.

So, for me, it’s GAME OVER. Goodbye everyone! :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 07:55:06 AM
Anyway, this game has become quite tiresome since there’s too many members here relying on Google image search and not on their actual knowledge of the composer in question. There’s a reason why clues are given: to help us think not cheat.

Let's clarify things (once again): cheating means googling the image and posting the name as if guessed. AFAIK, nobody did that.

Simply googling the image and not posting anything afterwards is not cheating, not by any stretch of imagination.

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Anyway, this game has become quite tiresome since there’s too many members here relying on Google image search and not on their actual knowledge of the composer in question. There’s a reason why clues are given: to help us think not cheat.

You reall don't get it, John, do you? What "actual knowledge" can one have of someone about whom one has not even heard?




Until listener comes with his own riddle, I suggest this (easy) one.

Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 08:15:25 AM
Let's clarify things (once again): cheating means googling the image and posting the name as if guessed. AFAIK, nobody did that.

Simply googling the image and not posting anything afterwards is not cheating, not by any stretch of imagination.

You reall don't get it, John, do you? What "actual knowledge" can one have of someone about whom one has not even heard?

You’ve never picked up a book on classical history before or have done any extensive reading on any composer or have read liner notes accompanying recordings that you buy? You know plenty of obscure composers, Andrei. The reason you know is because you have read about them and, therefore, have gained knowledge about them. If you’ve never heard of the composer or recognize them from the picture provided, then obviously you wouldn’t know them or have heard of them, but, usually, the clues provide you with an idea of who the composer is and if you still have no idea, then admit you have no idea and leave it to someone else to guess. Stop using Google to do your work for you is really the bottomline. If you can’t do this, then you’re obviously cheating and have no desire to rely on your own memory. If I post an image and I don’t know who the composer is, guess what I’m going to say? I have no idea who that composer is. Why would I say this? Because I’m not going rely on Google image search to cheat for me and I’m not afraid to say “I don’t know.” That’s the difference here and something that you’ve failed to understand.
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
You’ve never picked up a book on classical history before or have done any extensive reading on any composer or have read liner notes accompanying recordings that you buy? You know plenty of obscure composers, Andrei. The reason you know is because you have read about them and, therefore, have gained knowledge about them. If you’ve never heard of the composer or recognize them from the picture provided, then obviously you wouldn’t know them or have heard of them, but, usually, the clues provide you with an idea of who the composer is and if you still have no idea, then admit you have no idea and leave it to someone else to guess. Stop using Google to do your work for you is really the bottomline. If you can’t do this, then you’re obviously cheating and have no desire to rely on your own memory. If I post an image and I don’t know who the composer is, guess what I’m going to say? I have no idea who that composer is. Why would I say this? Because I’m not going rely on Google image search to cheat for me and I’m not afraid to say “I don’t know.” That’s the difference here and something that you’ve failed to understand.

I'm afraid that (1) you took much too seriously what was originally just a game, and (2) you  still don't get what I'm trying, to my best, to make you understand, namely that if I google the picture (which I have done in exactly 3 cases out of them all) or not makes not a iota of difference as long as I refrain from playing and let others play --- which is exactly what I did, anyway. And that's my last word on the whole issue.



 

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Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 08:33:44 AM
I'm afraid that (1) you took much too seriously what was originally just a game, and (2) you  still don't get what I'm trying, to my best, to make you understand, namely that if I google the picture (which I have done in exactly 3 cases out of them all) or not makes not a iota of difference as long as I refrain from playing and let others play --- which is exactly what I did, anyway. And that's my last word on the whole issue.

I understand what you’re saying and wouldn’t put up a fight if you hadn’t have said this in the past:

I found him with Google Image Search right away. Had no patience to try to guess him, which would have been impossible anyway.

You clearly admitted to cheating and you’ll always remain a cheat in this game. Just because you don’t guess who the composer is and not say anything at all doesn’t mean you’re not cheating. This post of yours is evidence of that.

On this note, I’ll leave you with the last word.

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Post by: kishnevi on November 13, 2017, 08:46:28 AM
Look at the bright side of things: compared to this, even Rudolf Tobias would seem to enjoy mega-star status.  ::)

I also googled the image (and immediately stopped playing, of course, as I couldn't even provide any worthwhile clues) and the result was not Galindo, but Ayala. But then the man in the picture you provided for Galindo, Andrei, could well be the man in the picture that John gave us. They wear very similar glasses, and perhaps he just stopped dying his hair  :D. 

Galindo is in that Brilliant Classics box set of Mexican music John gave as a clue. Ayala, IIRC, is not...

All very, very confusing... ???

I too found Ayala, not Galindo. 
BTW, the indirect connection to Ginastera I hinted at refered to Popul Vuh.   Ayala was of Mayan ancestry.
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
You clearly admitted to cheating

I admitted to no such things. You misconstrue my posts to fit your agenda.

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and you’ll always remain a cheat in this game.

Now you're going too far, buddy. Please control your temper and language. I reject indignantly your false accusation and demand an apology. You might have noticed (or not) that I have never insulted you.

 
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Post by: Christo on November 13, 2017, 09:32:03 AM
The obscurest of the obscure unknown composers... ::)
I don't think so, because even I happen to know Blas Galindo (though of course not as well as Rudolf Tobias  ;D). (It should be noted that there are far less cd recordings available with Galindo's music than those ten or so exclusively dedicated to Tobias, if that's an indication).
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Post by: Turner on November 13, 2017, 10:17:52 AM
...
Until listener comes with his own riddle, I suggest this (easy) one.

I saw sone Russianness in the picture & thought of maybe either Glazunov or Scriabin in the physical looks; it turned out to be Scriabin.
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Post by: Florestan on November 13, 2017, 10:23:37 AM
I saw sone Russianness in the picture & thought of maybe either Glazunov or Scriabin in the physical looks; it turned out to be Scriabin.

The Russianness is indeed obvious.  :)

Scriabin is indeed the correct answer.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Turner on November 13, 2017, 10:55:08 AM
A small riddle:

A klingon goes symphonic ... ?

He wrote 5 of them.
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Post by: Christo on November 13, 2017, 11:14:33 AM
You clearly admitted to cheating and you’ll always remain a cheat in this game.
Very sorry, dear John, but: no, Andrei didn't cheat at all. Of course not. Don't understand how this misunderstanding arose, but let's conclude that's what happened.

A small riddle:

A klingon goes symphonic ... ?

He wrote 5 of them.
Err, five symphonies: a Briton?
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Post by: Turner on November 13, 2017, 11:26:44 AM
Err, five symphonies: a Briton?

Yes indeed, Sir!
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 01:13:19 PM
I admitted to no such things. You misconstrue my posts to fit your agenda.

Now you're going too far, buddy. Please control your temper and language. I reject indignantly your false accusation and demand an apology. You might have noticed (or not) that I have never insulted you.

I’m sorry, Andrei. Not because you demanded it, which I’m not going to obey anyone who demands anything of me, but because I don’t want any hard feelings and it’s the right thing to do.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
A small riddle:

A klingon goes symphonic ... ?

He wrote 5 of them.

Easy. That’s Humphrey Searle. One of those rare British serialists. I remember seeing his photo many years ago and you mentioning how he looks like a Klingon is quite funny. :D
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Post by: Turner on November 13, 2017, 02:14:28 PM
Easy. That’s Humphrey Searle. One of those rare British serialists. I remember seeing his photo many years ago and you mentioning how he looks like a Klingon is quite funny. :D
Yes, right, Searle, of course. I don't think we've run out of not-extremely-obscure composers😄
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Post by: listener on November 13, 2017, 06:23:59 PM
Re Blas GALINDO:  He’s one of the more familiar Latin American composer names to me for his Sones de Mariachi, probably his most popular work, well-suited to pops concerts.   I have recording of a couple of other short pieces, also of his Symphony no.2.

Ovsianniko-Kulikovsky and Hilda Tablet are obviously out, so here’s someone born on a boat.

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Post by: Florestan on November 14, 2017, 12:31:12 AM
I’m sorry, Andrei.

Accepted and no hard feelings from my part, John, rest assured. I admit demanding was not the right thing, as you would have done it anyway, but it seems both you and I are sometimes quick-tempered.  :laugh: The good thing is we are also quick to apologize or forgive. So let's just forget about this unfortunate mess and  move on. AFAIC, we're still as friends as we have ever been.  :-* Oh, and I do hope you will keep playing the game.

TD: I know two who died on a boat (okay, technically they drowned, but they were on a boat before that) but none who was born on a boat. Intriguing. I promise won't google him this time. Waiting for the hint(s) instead.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on November 14, 2017, 07:24:30 AM
Accepted and no hard feelings from my part, John, rest assured. I admit demanding was not the right thing, as you would have done it anyway, but it seems both you and I are sometimes quick-tempered.  :laugh: The good thing is we are also quick to apologize or forgive. So let's just forget about this unfortunate mess and  move on. AFAIC, we're still as friends as we have ever been.  :-* Oh, and I do hope you will keep playing the game.

Absolutely, Andrei. Let’s put this mess behind us. Yes, we’re most definitely friends. That won’t change!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: kishnevi on November 14, 2017, 07:04:29 PM
I did the Google image thing, so I will drop this hint: he's actually rather well known, but because of another composer and not his own music.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 14, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
someone born on a boat.

Nice clue!  ;) André Caplet (1878-1925)
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Post by: listener on November 15, 2017, 12:34:51 AM
CORRECT!  and I did not have to add "between Honfleur and Le Havre"
the really obvious unedited-out clue would be my file for the picture: pill (= caplet)
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Post by: Christo on November 15, 2017, 12:52:25 AM
 :)  OK, another one: probably the most well-known composer (9 symphonies, 17 concertos) from this nation:
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 15, 2017, 06:04:01 AM
:)  OK, another one: probably the most well-known composer (9 symphonies, 17 concertos) from this nation:

Looks like Eshpai.
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Post by: vandermolen on November 15, 2017, 09:30:08 AM
Looks like Eshpai.
Not for me to say so but you are definitely right and that is the Mari flag or one of them. Well done! I like Espai's music and I knew that the picture looked familiar but I didn't think of him.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: André on November 15, 2017, 11:39:36 AM
Nice clue!  ;) André Caplet (1878-1925)

I know some of his music, but didn’t know these details  :D.

Le miroir de Jésus is a beautiful work.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Christo on November 15, 2017, 12:14:31 PM
Looks like Eshpai.
Correct: Андре́й Я́ковлевич Эшпа́й or Andrei Yakovlevich Eshpai is a Mari from Mari El Republic and often makes uses of Mari folk music.
In his early years he went to Budapest to meet Kodály, whose research of Finnu-Ugric music, together with Bartók, had brought the Volga Finns to their attention. Their encounter left traces in Esphai's oeuvre. (I met one of Kodály's pupils in Budapest who was an eye-witness and told me these stories, but you can find them in Hungarian music journals, of course.)
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Post by: vandermolen on November 15, 2017, 12:22:18 PM
Correct: Андре́й Я́ковлевич Эшпа́й or Andrei Yakovlevich Eshpai is a Mari from Mari El Republic and often makes uses of Mari folk music.
In his early years he went to Budapest to meet Kodály, whose research of Finnu-Ugric music, together with Bartók, had brought the Volga Finns to their attention. Their encounter left traces in Esphai's oeuvre. (I met one of Kodály's pupils in Budapest who was an eye-witness and told me these stories, but you can find them in Hungarian music journals, of course.)
Symphonies 4 and 5 are especially good.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 15, 2017, 05:18:19 PM
Not for me to say so but you are definitely right and that is the Mari flag or one of them. Well done! I like Espai's music and I knew that the picture looked familiar but I didn't think of him.

Yeah, he’s a cool composer. I need revisit some of his music. I own all of those Albany recordings. Good stuff.

Correct: Андре́й Я́ковлевич Эшпа́й or Andrei Yakovlevich Eshpai is a Mari from Mari El Republic and often makes uses of Mari folk music.
In his early years he went to Budapest to meet Kodály, whose research of Finnu-Ugric music, together with Bartók, had brought the Volga Finns to their attention. Their encounter left traces in Esphai's oeuvre. (I met one of Kodály's pupils in Budapest who was an eye-witness and told me these stories, but you can find them in Hungarian music journals, of course.)

Yep, I’ve read a good bit about him. Interesting composer.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 16, 2017, 06:56:09 AM
I suppose it’s my turn....

Who is this composer? For those that don’t know immediately, which I’m sure many won’t, I’ll be more than happy to provide the clues.
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Post by: vandermolen on November 16, 2017, 12:17:43 PM
Clue please!
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 16, 2017, 12:41:49 PM
Vagn Holmboe?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 16, 2017, 05:47:28 PM
Clue please!

Alright coming right up!

Vagn Holmboe?

Nope. Sorry.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 16, 2017, 05:49:53 PM
Clue as to the composer in question: this composer was indebted to Bohuslav Martinu as he became one of his last students and studied with him up until his death in 1959.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 16, 2017, 06:14:07 PM
Jan Novak.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 16, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
Jan Novak.

Bingo!
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Post by: kishnevi on November 16, 2017, 06:41:35 PM
Bingo!

Wikipedia was kind enough to list some of Martinu's students.

Now my turn to pose a portrait
(http://www.nw.de/_em_daten/_cache/image/1xug1YzHY7sqfKxpg13Cu_X1vv1NiNLni0Op5fuAVR8zsQjLvvLNc4Bi1UmIUAoIhQr0ctrfl-Det_bZZFnbUpUg/170131-1829-80793344.jpg)

Clue: the Listening thread.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 16, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Wikipedia was kind enough to list some of Martinu's students.

Now my turn to pose a portrait
(http://www.nw.de/_em_daten/_cache/image/1xug1YzHY7sqfKxpg13Cu_X1vv1NiNLni0Op5fuAVR8zsQjLvvLNc4Bi1UmIUAoIhQr0ctrfl-Det_bZZFnbUpUg/170131-1829-80793344.jpg)

Clue: the Listening thread.

Judging by what you were listening to over on that thread, Simon Laks. :)
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Post by: kishnevi on November 16, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
Judging by what you were listening to over on that thread, Simon Laks. :)

Bingo back to you....
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 16, 2017, 06:55:22 PM
Alright, who is this composer:
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 04:21:24 AM
Looks German to me.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 04:52:19 AM
Looks German to me.

Nope, but I’ll give you and everyone else a clue: this composer is probably most remembered for his string quartets and a concerto that won him the Pulitzer Prize.
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 05:07:54 AM
Quincy Porter

From the Pulitzer webiste:

1954 -
Concerto For Two Pianos and Orchestra, by Quincy Porter

First performed by the Louisville Symphony Orchestra, March 17, 1954. This was one of the works commissioned under a grant of the Rockefeller Foundation for new American compositions for orchestra, or soloists and orchestra.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 05:26:44 AM
Quincy Porter

From the Pulitzer webiste:

1954 -
Concerto For Two Pianos and Orchestra, by Quincy Porter

First performed by the Louisville Symphony Orchestra, March 17, 1954. This was one of the works commissioned under a grant of the Rockefeller Foundation for new American compositions for orchestra, or soloists and orchestra.

Bingo! Your turn!
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 05:32:03 AM
Who is this guy?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 05:39:19 AM
Who is this guy?

Oh dear...how about a hint, Andrei?
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 05:49:55 AM
Oh dear...how about a hint, Andrei?
No need for that.... That's a young Friedrich Nietzsche...I recognize the picture from a cover of his early writings...of course, he did compose, but was he a composer?  ::)
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 05:58:55 AM
No need for that.... That's a young Friedrich Nietzsche...I recognize the picture from a cover of his early writings...of course, he did compose, but was he a composer?  ::)

He composed and his music has been recorded. I'd say he qualifies.  :laugh:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Mxvo%2BKZ-L._SX355_.jpg)

(http://losslessclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fischer_dieskau_nietzsche_lieder_piano_works_melodrama.jpg)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 06:08:59 AM
Well, it’s Rafael’s turn now I suppose.
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 06:11:26 AM
Yes, I supopose it is my turn...

Who is this adorable yet melancholic boy?

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/66/14/26/myster11.jpg)

He's been much debated here on GMG (as is fitting)...
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 06:20:53 AM
Too vague a hint but judging by the architecture, I'd say the location is Central / Eastern Europe. Polish, maybe?
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Post by: kishnevi on November 17, 2017, 06:26:37 AM
Is that Martinu?
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 06:29:49 AM
WAG - Schnittke?
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 06:30:03 AM
Is that Martinu?

I don't think so. The picture is more recent than the time of Martinu by that age, methinks. Plus, Martinu's skull was more elongated.
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 06:33:09 AM
He was a composer...but he hasn't been much discussed in that capacity here on GMG. He's very controversial in his other capacity (and talked about relatively often here).
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 06:48:58 AM
He was a composer...but he hasn't been much discussed in that capacity here on GMG. He's very controversial in his other capacity (and talked about relatively often here).

What I gather from this is that (1) he's dead, and (2) he was a conductor / performer.
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 06:51:56 AM
What I gather from this is that (1) he's dead, and (2) he was a conductor / performer.

As to (1), ja, er ist tot. As to (2), neither a conductor nor a performer, and yet, music is very central to his work.
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
As to (1), ja, er ist tot. As to (2), neither a conductor nor a performer, and yet, music is very central to his work.

Theodor Adorno?
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 06:56:57 AM
Theodor Adorno?
Indeed...as much a composer (or even more so) than good old Friedrich... ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 07:00:12 AM
Indeed...as much a composer (or even more so) than good old Friedrich... ;)

Then that background should be Frankfurt am Main, I suppose. But as to "relatively often discussed here" I disagree.

TD: who is this?
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 07:13:05 AM
Then that background should be Frankfurt am Main, I suppose. But as to "relatively often discussed here" I disagree.
The background is not FFM, it's Amorbach in Lower Franconia, where young Teddy spent his summers. The picture is from the cover of this book:

(http://www.suhrkamp.de/cover/640/34623.jpg)

He has been discussed quite often. A quick search gives 79 hits (some of them are messages posted by...erm...a certain Florestan  :D ).

As for his music, it's very stern twelve-tone stuff, interesting if you like that kind of thing (I do  ;) ). Recordings of Adorno's music in my collection:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51x2laFlf+L._AC_US327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81QaRAvoyhL._SX355_.jpg)  (https://is5-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music/v4/73/8b/6e/738b6ed1-f318-1daf-c458-88464df48b49/source/1200x630bb.jpg)

Your turn, mein lieber Andrei!
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 07:24:33 AM
He has been discussed quite often. A quick search gives 79 hits (some of them are messages posted by...erm..a certain Florestan  :D ).

Yes, I did discuss him (tangentially) with Mr. Croche on one occasion. But if his 79 GMG hits mean he's discussed relatively often, then Nietzsche with 203 hits is one of the main topics.  :laugh:

My man is below.
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 07:35:38 AM
Giorgio Federico Ghedini
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 07:38:16 AM
Giorgio Federico Ghedini

That was quick! Are you a fan?  :laugh:

Your turn.
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 07:59:40 AM
No, got lucky on Google

Here is mine:

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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
Hint, please.
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 08:11:27 AM
This little guy had alot of trouble staying awake
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 10:20:26 AM
Kurt Cobain?  ;D
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 10:29:30 AM
Kurt Cobain?  ;D

No, he is still alive
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
Not enough data.  :)
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
The first hint is a big one
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 11:03:55 AM
The first hint is a big one

I'm sure. I just tried my best with Google to find a composer who was narcoleptic as a child. No meaningful result except Cobain was suppposedly narcoleptic in older age.  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
The first hint is a big one
Tristán Murail?
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:13:59 AM
Tristán Murail?

Nope
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:14:50 AM
I'm sure. I just tried my best with Google to find a composer who was narcoleptic as a child. No meaningful result except Cobain was suppposedly narcoleptic in older age.  :laugh:

yes, no opiates involved here
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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 11:17:16 AM
yes, no opiates involved here

Please give us a supplementary hint.
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
he even had trouble staying awake when his city was being bombed
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:48:51 AM
Britten?

Nope, right bombing though
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Post by: Mahlerian on November 17, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
Harrison Birtwistle?
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
RVW?

(http://assets8.classicfm.com/2013/27/vaughan-williams-child-1373622586-view-1.jpg)

No, shorter hair than in that picture

(bet that was a helpful hint)
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:55:44 AM
Harrison Birtwistle?

Nope, this guy lives in a different continent
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Post by: kishnevi on November 17, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
He resembles RVW as a child...but the clothing seems too modern.
(http://assets8.classicfm.com/2013/27/vaughan-williams-child-1373622586-view-1.jpg)


(I removed my first post when I realized the clothing was wrong...but the artifact remains quoted in bwv's post.)
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Post by: Mahlerian on November 17, 2017, 11:58:11 AM
Nope, this guy lives in a different continent

Brian Ferneyhough, then?
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
Brian Ferneyhough, then?

Yes, Brian is narcoleptic
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Post by: Mahlerian on November 17, 2017, 12:06:12 PM
Yes, Brian is narcoleptic

Did not know that.  Wow, I never thought I would get one of these...

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Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2017, 12:08:20 PM
Yes, Brian is narcoleptic

But he's born in 1943. How could have he been narcoleptic in 1940?  ;D
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Post by: ritter on November 17, 2017, 12:11:42 PM
But he's born in 1943. How could have he been narcoleptic in 1940?  ;D
He must have been very precocious....
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
But he's born in 1943. How could have he been narcoleptic in 1940?  ;D

Well I goofed the timeline, went back and looked at the book I got the pic from  - he was born in Coventry after the blitz. 

But the key thing is the image is not on the internet so you cant reverse search it on Google, like you can with everything else I have seen posted here
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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 17, 2017, 12:34:16 PM
Did not know that.  Wow, I never thought I would get one of these...

Never knew that Erik Estrada composed music!
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Post by: DaveF on November 17, 2017, 01:57:25 PM
Well I goofed the timeline, went back and looked at the book I got the pic from  - he was born in Coventry after the blitz. 

Perhaps I have a slight advantage here, being originally a Warwickshire boy myself: Robin Holloway?  (Leamington, if so, not Coventry, but fairly close.)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 05:43:05 PM
Did not know that.  Wow, I never thought I would get one of these...

Looks like Hosokawa.
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Post by: Mahlerian on November 17, 2017, 06:22:27 PM
Looks like Hosokawa.

Indeed.  I tried to find a less recognizable image, but he looks pretty similar even as a younger man.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 07:41:53 PM
Indeed.  I tried to find a less recognizable image, but he looks pretty similar even as a younger man.

Yep, very distinctive look.

I suppose it’s my turn...who is this composer?
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 17, 2017, 09:01:41 PM
Yep, very distinctive look.

I suppose it’s my turn...who is this composer?

I feel like I have seen this guy somewhere before..................

Is it Hartmann?
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Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 17, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
Or is he Russian?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Or is he Russian?

Nope. Not Hartmann nor is he Russian.
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Post by: Florestan on November 18, 2017, 12:09:41 AM
Wolfgang Rihm?
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Post by: vandermolen on November 18, 2017, 01:08:57 AM
Yep, very distinctive look.

I suppose it’s my turn...who is this composer?
Janis Ivanovs?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2017, 07:05:03 AM
Wolfgang Rihm?

Nope.

Janis Ivanovs?

Bingo!
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Post by: vandermolen on November 18, 2017, 07:32:47 AM
Nope.

Bingo!
I like the music of Ivanovs and have all the available symphonies on CD.

Hurrah! It's my turn  :)

If I can make it appear I'll use an image of the composer whose photo I submitted erroneously having not bothered to read the rules of this game  ::) (don't think it's that difficult but let me know if you need a clue):
(http://)
I'm looking for the name of the composer and not the cat.
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Post by: Christo on November 18, 2017, 11:38:17 AM
I'm looking for the name of the composer and not the cat.
Henri Sauguet (1901–1989), one of my 'discoveries' in recent years - thanks to you, I guess.  ;)
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Post by: vandermolen on November 18, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
Henri Sauguet (1901–1989), one of my 'discoveries' in recent years - thanks to you, I guess.  ;)
Indeed! The composer of the moving 'Expiatoire' Symphony.
Well done.
Over to you Johan.
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Post by: ritter on November 18, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Indeed! The composer of the moving 'Expiatoire' Symphony.
...and, very fittingly, of the ballet La Chatte.   ;)
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Post by: Christo on November 18, 2017, 02:29:41 PM
...and, very fittingly, of the ballet La Chatte.   ;)
Good idea!  :D Another cat-loving mystery composer:

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Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2017, 07:34:18 PM
Could you give us a clue, Johan?
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Post by: Christo on November 18, 2017, 11:33:48 PM
Could you give us a clue, Johan?
Another leading composer of an emerging national school of music. Wrote symphonies and symphonic poems; the most famous of the latter consisting of eight variations on an original Arabic theme, one them in the form of a 59 part fugue, and considered a 'national musical breakthrough' around WWI.  :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 19, 2017, 12:14:22 AM
The man looks 100% French to me. Hmmm.....
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Post by: ritter on November 19, 2017, 12:34:36 AM
The man looks 100% French to me. Hmmm.....
indeed. A doppelgänger of General de Gaulle?  ;D
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Post by: vandermolen on November 19, 2017, 12:43:52 AM
...and, very fittingly, of the ballet La Chatte.   ;)

I've just understood this  ::)

Very nice. :)
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Post by: GioCar on November 19, 2017, 12:57:32 AM
Another leading composer of an emerging national school of music. Wrote symphonies and symphonic poems; the most famous of the latter consisting of eight variations on an original Arabic theme, one them in the form of a 59 part fugue, and considered a 'national musical breakthrough' around WWI.  :)

Is it Vathek?
If so, he should be Luís de Freitas Branco.
I have a Naxos CD with some of his music, but the variations are only five (+ an introduction, theme, prologue and epilogue)

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Post by: Florestan on November 19, 2017, 02:34:01 AM
indeed. A doppelgänger of General de Gaulle?  ;D

The first name that came to my mind seeing the picture.  :D
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Post by: Christo on November 19, 2017, 03:41:26 AM
Is it Vathek?If so, he should be Luís de Freitas Branco.
I have a Naxos CD with some of his music, but the variations are only five (+ an introduction, theme, prologue and epilogue)
He is: older brother of the perhaps - in his time - more famous conductor, Pedro de Freitas Branco.

Lookalike of Generalissimo De Gaulle? I would rather say Clint Eastwood:
(http://www.editions-ava.com/images/composers/composer22.jpg)
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Post by: GioCar on November 19, 2017, 03:51:44 AM
So my turn

Who is this guy?



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Post by: ritter on November 19, 2017, 06:00:52 AM
So my turn

Who is this guy?
I don't know...but, man, does he look angry!  :o

Will you give us a clue, Gio, any clue?  ;)
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Post by: Christo on November 19, 2017, 06:20:09 AM
I don't know...but, man, does he look angry!  :o

Will you give us a clue, Gio, any clue?  ;)
For example: is the man an Italian composer?
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Post by: Florestan on November 19, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
For example: is the man an Italian composer?

He is: Antonio Buzzolla.  :D
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Post by: GioCar on November 19, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
He is: Antonio Buzzolla.  :D

Bravo!

Just listened live in concert to his Requiem aeternam and Kyrie from the Messa per Rossini.
Not bad.
Not bad at all.
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Post by: Florestan on November 19, 2017, 10:45:22 AM
Bravo!

I was just extremely lucky! I first tried Antonio Bazzini and lo and behold! in the third row, the picture of your man!  :D

My turn then.

Who is this guy?

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Post by: Mirror Image on November 19, 2017, 10:46:50 AM
Oh dear...could you give us a hint, Andrei? He looks quite familiar.
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Post by: Florestan on November 19, 2017, 10:57:40 AM
Studied in Leipzig. Besides composing, was also a conductor. He is remembered mostly for his ballets, a genre he pioneered in his country.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 19, 2017, 11:08:19 AM
Studied in Leipzig. Besides composing, was also a conductor. He is remembered mostly for his ballets, a genre he pioneered in his country.

It has to be a country not really known for ballet since he doesn’t look like any of the more famous ballet composers.
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Post by: Christo on November 19, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
a genre he pioneered in his country.
... in his, or in this country?  ;)
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Post by: ritter on November 19, 2017, 01:00:07 PM
... in his, or in this country?  ;)
Dutch + Leipzig = Cornelis Dopper?
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Post by: Christo on November 19, 2017, 01:18:57 PM
Dutch + Leipzig = Cornelis Dopper?
Or: Romanian + Leipzig = not Cornelis Dopper (who was from Stadskanaal, of all places  :D)
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Post by: ritter on November 19, 2017, 01:29:44 PM
Romanian + Leipzig + ballet = Mihail Jora!
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 19, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
Andrei is getting quite obscure. I never heard of Jora before, but I don’t know a lot about Romanian music in general.
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Post by: ritter on November 19, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
It's up to Florestsn to decide whether my answer is right...but, as I'm off to bed, here's a new mystery man:

(https://musiquesnouvelles50ans.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/smallhpousseur_archiveschp03.jpg)

Clues in 10 hours or so... ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 19, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
Romanian + Leipzig + ballet = Mihail Jora!

Indeed. Well done! Christo deserves some congrats, too.

Have you guys had the chance to listen to any of his music?

Andrei is getting quite obscure.

Pot calling the kettle black...  :D  :P

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I never heard of Jora before, but I don’t know a lot about Romanian music in general.

No problem, many Romanians don't either.  :D
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Post by: Christo on November 19, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
Have you guys had the chance to listen to any of his music?
Well, yes: I own a cd with 'perennial' Romanian music that features his Suite 'Moldovian Sights'. But for me, his profile was less sharp than that of a number of other Romanian composers - and Ritter had to do the thinking for me.  ;D
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Post by: ritter on November 20, 2017, 12:13:12 AM
...here's a new mystery man:

(https://musiquesnouvelles50ans.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/smallhpousseur_archiveschp03.jpg)

Clues in 10 hours or so... ;)
Time for a clue... No, he's not a cabinet minister giving a press conference.  ;)

If you change just the possessive determiner in the title of one of his most important works, you arrive at a title of a posthumous play by Paul Valéry...
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Post by: Florestan on November 20, 2017, 12:41:16 AM
Henri Pousseur.

Composed Votre Faust on a libretto by Michel Butor. Valery's posthumous play was titled Mon Faust.

Even if I never heard about him, it was too easy, actually --- the hint gave him away: all I had to do was to get a list of Valery's posthumous works and then a list of musical compositions based on Faust's legend.  ;D

I guess it's my turn. Who is this stately gentleman?
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Post by: vandermolen on November 20, 2017, 01:19:36 AM
Indeed. Well done! Christo deserves some congrats, too.
He does indeed. Although Christo has a slight advantage over the rest of us as he knows all these composers personally.
 8)
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 03:42:09 AM
I guess it's my turn. Who is this stately gentleman?

(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27494.0;attach=53171;image)
I'd say it's high time for a clue...any sort of clue.  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 03:56:49 AM
His music is nothing like his physical appearance which to me is that of a dull, academic bore.

Both his name and surname (the latter was actually a nom de plume) are strongly reminiscent of Romantic heroes, scenery and characters.
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 06:37:52 AM
His music is nothing like his physical appearance which to me is that of a dull, academic bore.

Both his name and surname (the latter was actually a nom de plume) are strongly reminiscent of Romantic heroes, scenery and characters.
Might there be a frozen pond in that scenery?  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 07:12:16 AM
Might there be a frozen pond in that scenery?  ;)

Yes, but not large enough.  :D
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 07:22:36 AM
In this case the devil will have heard of him!  ;)

Charles Émile Lévy aka Émile Waldteufel...
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 07:29:54 AM
In this case the devil will have heard of him!  ;)

Charles Émile Lévy aka Émile Waldteufel...

 :D

Composed some of the most beautiful waltzes I know.

Your turn, Rafael.
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 07:35:38 AM
:D
Composed some of the most beautiful waltzes I know.
Yes, Les patineurs...a favourite of my grandmother. Not my cup of tea...

Who can this be?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cTWwF3YseB8/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 07:43:04 AM
Yes, Les patineurs...a favourite of my grandmother. Not my cup of tea...

Les patineurs, Estudiantina, Minuit, Dolores... Your grandmother has / had impeccable taste.  8)

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Who can this be?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cTWwF3YseB8/hqdefault.jpg)

A Frenchman?
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 08:22:20 AM
Les patineurs, Estudiantina, Minuit, Dolores... Your grandmother has / had impeccable taste.  8)
Had...she's been dead for 40 years now. Quite a character, she was. BTW, she and my then teenage mother got to see Maria Callas as Norma at the Met in 1956. Beat that!  ;D

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A Frenchman?
Ma no! È italiano!  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 08:29:30 AM
Any hint?
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 08:31:50 AM
You know I'm too generous with my hints.  ;)

Probably Italy's best-known living music critic has said that this man is the best Italian symphonist of the 20th century (even if he is better remembered--if he's remembered at all--as a conductor).
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 08:42:12 AM
NPI  :D
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 08:47:56 AM
He conducted what is considered a classic recording of a Verdi opera... Can't say which, as that would give him away...
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 08:54:07 AM
Vittorio Gui?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2017, 08:56:17 AM
Rafael, this would be Gino Marinuzzi.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2017, 08:58:24 AM
I’ll have to post an image of a composer later on tonight as it’s time for work. In the meantime, someone else can post an image in my absence.
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 09:00:12 AM
Rafael, this would be Gino Marinuzzi.

John of all people knows obscure Italian operatic conductors, who'd have guessed...  :D
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 09:18:40 AM
Not my turn, but since John gave us his permission to go on, here's another guy.
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 09:19:17 AM
Rafael, this would be Gino Marinuzzi.
Gino Marinuzzi it is...His 1943 recording of La Forza del destino with Galliano Massini and Maria Caniglia (on Cetra, now Warner) is considered a classic as far as recordings of Verdi operas go. He also composed operas himself, of which Jacquerie has been recorded  (I've owned the CDs for years). 

Italian critic Paolo Isotta raves (in his book Altri canti di Marte) about Marinuzzi's Symphony in A (from 1942), saying it's only rivalled--in the 20th century--by works of Schoenberg, Szymanowski and Enescu. Isotta is highly opinionated, with likes and dislikes that often appear irrational to me, and can be really catty (to the point of unpleasantness). Still, this symphony might be worth exploring. It's available here:

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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 09:20:58 AM
Italian critic Paolo Isotta raves (in his book Altri canti di Marte) about Marinuzzi's Symphony in A (from 1942), saying it's only rivalled--in the 20th century--by works of Schoenberg, Szymanowski and Enescu. Isotta is highly opinionated, with likes and dislikes that often appear irrational to me, and can be really catty (to the point of unpleasantness).

Kind of an Italian Hurwitz?  :D
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 09:25:26 AM
Kind of an Italian Hurwitz?  :D
Hurwitz is Mother Teresa of Calcutta compared to Isotta.  This is going to sound politically incorrect, but fortunately it's in Spanish: Isotta often just sounds like a "marica mala" when he tries to thrash some artists. His phobia extends to people like Mitsuko Uchida, Pierre Boulez, John Eliot Gardiner, Claudio Abbado, and a long et cet. As we say in Spanish, "no deja títere con cabeza".  :D
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 09:32:07 AM
Hurwitz is Mother Teresa of Calcutta compared to Isotta.  This is going to sound politically incorrect, but fortunately it's in Spanish: Isotta often just sounds like a "marica mala" when he tries to thrash some artists. His phobia extends to people like Mitsuko Uchida, Pierre Boulez, John Eliot Gardiner, Claudio Abbado, and a long et cet. As we say in Spanish, "no deja títere con cabeza".  :D

 :D :D :D

Perhaps he really is? (The m-word, I mean  ;D  )
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 09:35:26 AM
:D :D :D

Perhaps he really is? (The m-word, I mean  ;D  )
Oh yes, he is. Nothing wrong with that, and he does not hide it. One could infer from his writings that had a brief liaison with Dino Ciani.
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Oh yes, he is (nothing wrong with that).

Oh, absolutely.

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One could infer from his writing that had a brief liaison with Dino Ciani.

Never knew Ciani was.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread.  :laugh:
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Post by: vandermolen on November 21, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
Vittorio Gui?

Isn't that the name of the evil member of the Inquisition (who persecuted Sean Connery) in 'The Name of the Rose'? I didn't know that he was a composer as well.
 8)
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Post by: North Star on November 21, 2017, 10:10:00 AM
Isn't that the name of the evil member of the Inquisition (who persecuted Sean Connery) in 'The Name of the Rose'? I didn't know that he was a composer as well.
 8)
Bernard was a real person
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Gui
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Post by: vandermolen on November 21, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
Bernard was a real person
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Gui
How very interesting - thank you.
I had no idea that he was a real person. I suspect that 'William of Baskerville' was, sadly, fictitious however.

Disappointing that Bernard Gui's death appears to not have been as spectacular as that featured in the excellent movie (not the book if I recall correctly) of 'The Name of the Rose'.
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 10:54:42 AM
A reminder.  :D
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Post by: Spineur on November 21, 2017, 11:32:34 AM
The moustache, the collar, a very germanic appearence, maybe even a prussian one.
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 12:18:59 PM
The moustache, the collar, a very germanic appearence, maybe even a prussian one.

You'd be surprised to learn how close and yet how far you are from the truth.  :D (I guess this is a hint).


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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Is he French?
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Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2017, 12:33:11 PM
No, but he won a French prize.
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Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 12:54:07 PM
No, but he won a French prize.
Prix de Rome? ? ? I suppose not, as I think it was only awarded to Frenchmen.
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Post by: Florestan on November 22, 2017, 01:16:10 AM
Prix de Rome? ? ? I suppose not, as I think it was only awarded to Frenchmen.

Not Prix de Rome. A prize sponsored by Le Figaro.

He was born under a monarch and died under a president. He went to study abroad and lived for many years in a city tremendously important for the history of music and other fine arts. He also held diplomatic offices. His music fell out of favor in his country with the advent of a more nationalistic generation.

There, I gave him away.  :D
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Post by: vandermolen on November 22, 2017, 05:17:17 AM
Not Prix de Rome. A prize sponsored by Le Figaro.

He was born under a monarch and died under a president. He went to study abroad and lived for many years in a city tremendously important for the history of music and other fine arts. He also held diplomatic offices. His music fell out of favor in his country with the advent of a more nationalistic generation.

There, I gave him away.  :D

Well, you didn't 'give him away' as far as I'm concerned!
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Post by: Florestan on November 22, 2017, 06:01:19 AM
A well-known and quite large thematic series of recordings features his work (and that of one of his fellow countrymen).

YT has a few of his works in full, including the one that won the aforementioned prize.

Travelling from his country to the city where he lived for many years required in those times more than one transportation mean.

That's it, folks, you have all the elements needed now.
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Post by: vandermolen on November 22, 2017, 07:17:15 AM
A well-known and quite large thematic series of recordings features his work (and that of one of his fellow countrymen).

YT has a few of his works in full, including the one that won the aforementioned prize.

Travelling from his country to the city where he lived for many years required in those times more than one transportation mean.

That's it, folks, you have all the elements needed now.

Shostakovich! ( only joking  8))
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Post by: Florestan on November 22, 2017, 07:18:38 AM
Shostakovich! ( only joking  8))

Oh, you're that close! ( only joking  8))
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Post by: vandermolen on November 22, 2017, 08:31:44 AM
Oh, you're that close! ( only joking  8))
Touché!
 :)
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Post by: ritter on November 22, 2017, 01:59:26 PM
He was born under a monarch and died under a president.

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Travelling from his country to the city where he lived for many years required in those times more than one transportation mean.
Irish? South African?
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Post by: Florestan on November 22, 2017, 03:19:31 PM
Irish? South African?

Neither.  :D
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 22, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
I think it’s time for me to throw someone out there since I haven’t yet done so as I have no idea who Andrei’s composer is:
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Post by: kishnevi on November 22, 2017, 06:59:27 PM
A well-known and quite large thematic series of recordings features his work (and that of one of his fellow countrymen).

YT has a few of his works in full, including the one that won the aforementioned prize.

Travelling from his country to the city where he lived for many years required in those times more than one transportation mean.

That's it, folks, you have all the elements needed now.

I confess to Google search...so I'll throw in a clue of my own.

Although they were not related in any way I know of, he shares his last name with a famous assasin and a minor character in Ivanhoe.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 22, 2017, 07:01:49 PM
I think it’s time for me to throw someone out there since I haven’t yet done so as I have no idea who Andrei’s composer is:

I was thinking I know that face, and then realized it was familiar because of a rather striking resemblance to Brad Pitt.

ETA
Asked Google...ah, that's what he looked like.
So my hint is this: almost everyone in GMG knows who he is. And it's not Brad Pitt.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 22, 2017, 07:07:13 PM
I was thinking I know that face, and then realized it was familiar because of a rather striking resemblance to Brad Pitt.

Yes, this was Brad Pitt’s great, great, great grandfather, Sir Reginald Pitt. A British composer of marches and had a fetish for big-lipped women. ;)
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 22, 2017, 09:03:19 PM
Yes, this was Brad Pitt’s great, great, great grandfather, Sir Reginald Pitt. A British composer of marches and had a fetish for big-lipped women. ;)

Is he Sergei Taneyev?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 22, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Is he Sergei Taneyev?

Bingo! That’s correct, sir. Tell ‘em what they’ve won, Johnny. :)
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Post by: ritter on November 23, 2017, 05:37:48 AM
Neither.  :D
Brazilan then.  Born when Dom Pedro II was emperor , died during the presidency of Getúlio Vargas. He lived in Florence, served as his country's consul in The Hague and Genoa, and won a competition organized by Le Figaro with  hus piano piece Il neige. His music is represented in Hyperion's "The Romantic Piano Concerto" series.

Henrique  Oswald.  :)

It's SymphonicAddict's turn, in any case...
 
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Post by: vandermolen on November 23, 2017, 05:42:53 AM
Brazilan then.  Born when Dom Pedro II was emperor , died during the presidency of Getúlio Vargas. He lived in Florence, served as his country's consul in The Hague and Genoa, and won a competition organized by Le Figaro with  hus piano piece Il neige. His music is represented in Hyperion's "The Romantic Piano Concerto" series.

Henrique  Oswald.  :)

It's SymphonicAddict's turn, in any case...
Never heard of him. :(
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Post by: ritter on November 23, 2017, 05:49:29 AM
Never heard of him. :(
Me neither, to be honest. The "monarch...president" and "more than one means of transportation" hints led me to Brazil  (once Ireland and South Africa turned to be dead ends) and some research did the rest...
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Post by: Florestan on November 23, 2017, 06:31:28 AM
Brazilan then.  Born when Dom Pedro II was emperor , died during the presidency of Getúlio Vargas. He lived in Florence, served as his country's consul in The Hague and Genoa, and won a competition organized by Le Figaro with  hus piano piece Il neige. His music is represented in Hyperion's "The Romantic Piano Concerto" series.

Henrique  Oswald.  :)

Bravo!

Never heard of him. :(

Me neither, to be honest. The "monarch...president" and "more than one means of transportation" hints led me to Brazil  (once Ireland and South Africa turned to be dead ends) and some research did the rest...

I stumbled upon his name just a few days ago while reading a Brazilian doctoral dissertation about Romanticism and the small piano pieces.  :D
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Post by: vandermolen on November 23, 2017, 08:28:18 AM
Me neither, to be honest. The "monarch...president" and "more than one means of transportation" hints led me to Brazil  (once Ireland and South Africa turned to be dead ends) and some research did the rest...

Yes, but you showed much more inititative and lateral thinking than I did.

Typing 'composers with handle-bar moustaches' into Google didn't get me very far at all.  ::)
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Post by: Spineur on November 23, 2017, 12:29:56 PM
Although this is not my turn, I thought I would propose this composer to the GMG sleuths
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Post by: ritter on November 23, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
Although this is not my turn, I thought I would propose this composer to the GMG sleuths
Une piste?   ;)
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Post by: Spineur on November 23, 2017, 01:15:44 PM
This magnificant statue of this composer is in parisian park.  Looking attentively at the statue (not the pedestal which I did blur) should give you an extra hint.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 23, 2017, 01:25:50 PM
I did Google image search. I will be interested to know (after the mystery is revealed) how you knew of him.
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Post by: ritter on November 23, 2017, 01:31:15 PM
This magnificant statue of this composer is in parisian park.  Looking attentively at the statue (not the pedestal which I did blur) should give you an extra hint.
Well, I've figured out who he is using this clue...I've never ever heard of him... :-[
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Post by: Spineur on November 23, 2017, 01:36:39 PM
I'll wait a bit more, before telling you about all the CDs I have of him.  I just love his music.  BTW, a new banknote with his image has recently been issued. 
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Post by: vandermolen on November 23, 2017, 02:01:34 PM
Er, excuse me. I got hauled over the coals for submitting a picture when it wasn't my turn. Shouldn't we stick to the rules? By my calculations it should be ritter's turn to submit an image.
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Post by: ritter on November 23, 2017, 02:17:09 PM
OK...I'll answer Spineur's riddle, and post my picture before going to bed.

Spineur posted a photo of Armenian clergyman, musicologist and composer Komitas Vardapet. Why he has a monument in Paris beats me (apart from the fact that he lived in the city for 26 years, and died there).

My new guy:

(http://www.laprensa.com.ar/multimedios/imgs/83752_620.JPG)

Hint: This guy continues a kind of trend I've started with previous postings of mine in this thread. More hints tomorrow morning (European time) if required.

Good night to all!
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 23, 2017, 03:11:23 PM
OK...I'll answer Spineur's riddle, and post my picture before going to bed.

pineur posted a photo of Armenian clergyman, musicologist and composer Komitas Vardapet. Why he has a monument in Paris beats me (apart from the fact that he lived in the city for 26 years, and died there).

My new guy:

(http://www.laprensa.com.ar/multimedios/imgs/83752_620.JPG)

Hint: This guy continues a kind of trend I've started with previous postings of mine in this thread. More hints tomorrow morning (European time) if required.

Good night to all!

He looks like Joly Braga Santos with a mustache.
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Post by: kyjo on November 23, 2017, 08:55:37 PM
He looks like Joly Braga Santos with a mustache.

Ha! I thought the same thing ;D
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Post by: Spineur on November 23, 2017, 09:47:51 PM

Spineur posted a photo of Armenian clergyman, musicologist and composer Komitas Vardapet. Why he has a monument in Paris beats me (apart from the fact that he lived in the city for 26 years, and died there).

Soghomon Gevorgi Soghomonian (known as Komitas, his religious name) was a victim of the Armenian genocide.  Arrested and deported, he emigrated to France for his survival and gradually drifted into depression.  Today, the french armenian community represents 1% of the total population exactly as the jewish community.  They are well integrated in France: Edouard Balladur (Balladurian is his real name) was a prime minister in the 90s.  As the jews, they tend to be anti-racist, opponents of National-Front ideologies.  They are concentrated in Marseille, Valence, Lyon and Paris.

There are many concerts of armenian music featuring Komitas composition and there are two dozen of CDs featuring his music.  Armenian music uses 8 different modes, and tends to be poly-modal.  Very interesting.  Here is some of his music from a lovely CD I own.

https://www.youtube.com/v/2HiRVLiMRNk

I discussed armenian music on GMG in a number of posts, trying to draw some interest, apparently without much success
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Post by: Florestan on November 23, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Soghomon Gevorgi Soghomonian (known as Komitas, his religious name) was a victim of the Armenian genocide.  Arrested and deported, he emigrated to France for his survival and gradually drifted into depression.  Today, the french armenian community represents 1% of the total population exactly as the jewish community.  They are well integrated in France: Edouard Balladur (Balladurian is his real name) was a prime minister in the 90s.  As the jews, they tend to be anti-racist, opponents of National-Front ideologies.  They are concentrated in Marseille, Valence, Lyon and Paris.

There are many concerts of armenian music featuring Komitas composition and there are two dozen of CDs featuring his music.  Armenian music uses 8 different modes, and tends to be poly-modal.  Very interesting.  Here is some of his music from a lovely CD I own.

https://www.youtube.com/v/2HiRVLiMRNk

I discussed armenian music on GMG in a number of posts, trying to draw some interest, apparently without much success

I know Komitas but came to the party too late.  :D

There is an important Armenian community in Romania, too, and it dates back several centuries.

Other famous French Armenians: Charles Aznavour, Sylvie Vartan, Alain Altinoglu.
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 12:08:34 AM
Hint: This guy continues a kind of trend I've started with previous postings of mine in this thread.

Why, yes: the trend is towards increasing obscurity. Montemezzi, Pousseur, Marinuzzi.   :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 24, 2017, 12:45:33 AM
Why, yes: the trend is towards increasing obscurity. Montemezzi, Pousseur, Marinuzzi.   :laugh:
OK...I think very few will have heard music by this man. Yet, collectors of opera may own recordings conducted by him with legendary singers.

An aria from one of his operas has been officially recognized as a sort of alternate national anthem by a country which is not his country of birth.
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 01:14:28 AM
his country of birth.

A poetic, even allegoric, hint in this respect would be most welcome.  :D
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Post by: ritter on November 24, 2017, 01:32:15 AM
A poetic, even allegoric, hint in this respect would be most welcome.  :D
The author of the libretto of that opera wrote the text for an opera by another composer that starts with a "Hymn to the sun"...and many, much more famous libretti.
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 01:49:52 AM
The author of the libretto of that opera wrote the text for an opera by another composer that starts with a "Hymn to the sun"...and many, much more famous libretti.

Ladies and gentlemen, I've got'im!

Ettore Panizza (the librettist is Luigi Illica; Inno al sole starts Iris by Mascagni)

But, but... one of your hints is dead wrong. Can you identify it? ;D
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Post by: Spineur on November 24, 2017, 02:00:46 AM
Very difficult.  Never heard of his name.  I am still wondering about the alternate national anthem.  For the italian I would have said va pensiero, but that is by a much better known composer !!  :D 
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 02:04:52 AM
Very difficult.  Never heard of his name.

Never have I, but I quite enjoy the detective work implied in identifying all these obscure names.  :)

Quote
I am still wondering about the alternate national anthem. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(opera) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(opera))

And that's where ritter is wrong: Argentina is Panizza's country of birth.

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Post by: ritter on November 24, 2017, 02:14:53 AM
Never have I, but I quite enjoy the detective work implied in identifying all these obscure names.  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(opera) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(opera))

And that's where ritter is wrong: Argentina is Panizza's country of birth.
You are right, and you are right. I always thought Panizza was Italian and emigrated to Argentina.  :-[

Here's that aria / anthem, in the now standard Spanish version:

https://www.youtube.com/v/_6C9Et-JFSM

And some of his recordings with legendary opera singers:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51ngGPctXML._AC_US327_QL65_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Agfs1ckML._AC_US327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51HZhFVwtuL._AC_US327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg)
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 02:16:23 AM
My turn. This time an easy one.  :laugh:

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Post by: Christo on November 24, 2017, 02:40:24 AM
Armenian clergyman, musicologist and composer Komitas Vardapet. Why he has a monument in Paris beats me (apart from the fact that he lived in the city for 26 years, and died there).
That's already part of the answer; other factors that help explain it are the presence of a very large Armenian community in France and particularly in Paris - and of course the fact that Komitas is a national hero for Armenians in Armenia (3 million; when visiting the country five years ago I saw Komitas everywhere) and over 8 million Armenians living in the Armenian Diaspora - Paris probably being their most important centre. A Komitas statue in Paris looks very 'logical' to me; will take a look on my next trip, thanks for the tip!  :)
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Post by: André on November 24, 2017, 07:51:14 AM
Never heard of Komitas, but I know Tomita  :D.

Sure, there are very obscure names unearthed here, but it depends for whom. Montemezzi is known for his opera (the work itself is famous), and Pousseur is a well-known quantity for modern music fans (widely played and recorded on french labels). If there are reasonably well distributed recordings, I think the search is worth the efforts!
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 09:29:58 AM
Sure, there are very obscure names unearthed here, but it depends for whom.

That is true. For instance, I've known the guy in my riddle for years, though not that much in his composer guise. For this last instance my hat tip goes to mc ukrneal. Now, if one corroborates this hint with a little search in the most popular GMG thread, one should be able to come up with the name without any supplementary hint.  :D
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Post by: vandermolen on November 24, 2017, 09:56:24 AM
My turn. This time an easy one.  :laugh:

Looks a bit like Percy Grainger but I don't think it is.
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
Looks a bit like Percy Grainger but I don't think it is.

Didn't notice that resemblance, which is nevertheless spot on. No, he isn't Grainger.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 24, 2017, 07:06:18 PM
Give us a clue, Andrei.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 24, 2017, 09:06:00 PM
My turn. This time an easy one.  :laugh:

Emil von Sauer
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Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2017, 11:33:36 PM
Emil von Sauer

Yes.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 25, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
I suppose it's my turn. Now, try to guess who this guy is.
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Post by: ritter on November 25, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
Looks like Elliott Carter in mid-age... If so, the picture is very reassuring: you can be s smoker, and live to the age of 103 happily and productively!  :)
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Post by: Crudblud on November 25, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
I don't think that's Carter. André Jolivet perhaps?
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 25, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
Looks like Elliott Carter in mid-age... If so, the picture is very reassuring: you can be s smoker, and live to the age of 103 happily and productively!  :)

It's kind of similar, but he's not.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on November 25, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
I don't think that's Carter. André Jolivet perhaps?

Exactly! It seems it wasn't too difficult. Now it's your turn.
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Post by: Crudblud on November 25, 2017, 12:57:33 PM
Okay, let's try this fellow.
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Post by: Florestan on November 25, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
Josquin des Prez!
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Post by: ritter on November 25, 2017, 01:10:00 PM
That's Ondrej Adamek...I recognize him from the Boulez in Lucerne documentary...
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Post by: Florestan on November 25, 2017, 01:15:54 PM
That's Ondrej Adamek...I recognize him from the Boulez in Lucerne documentary...

I can feel yet another oscurissimo Italian composer-conductor popping up soon...  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 25, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
I can feel yet another oscurissimo Italian composer-conductor popping up soon...  :laugh:
No...let's go for something completely different this time (unless I'm wrong about Crudblud's riddle, but I think I got him right).

Who can this gentleman be?

(http://www.lavanguardia.com/r/GODO/LV/p3/WebSite/2016/11/22/Recortada/img_msancho_20161122-120810_imagenes_lv_propias_1479812862698-129-kxLC--656x808@LaVanguardia-Web.jpg)
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Post by: Florestan on November 25, 2017, 01:51:25 PM
something completely different this time

And yet he looks quite Italian to me.  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 25, 2017, 01:57:44 PM
And yet he looks quite Italian to me.  :laugh:
¡No!  ;)
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Post by: Spineur on November 25, 2017, 02:08:30 PM
And yet he looks quite Italian to me.  :laugh:
Not the way he dresses.  A scottish tartan shirt, and a zipped sweater, that is a no-no for an italian.
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Post by: nodogen on November 25, 2017, 03:49:48 PM
de Falla, then.
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Post by: ritter on November 25, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
No...but close.
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Post by: nodogen on November 25, 2017, 03:56:09 PM
...in the sense of...
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Post by: Crudblud on November 25, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
It is indeed Adamek in my picture.

I want to say Cristóbal Halffter for ritter's picture, but I don't actually know what he looks like. I just have a sneaking feeling.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 25, 2017, 06:16:01 PM
I want to say Cristóbal Halffter for ritter's picture, but I don't actually know what he looks like. I just have a sneaking feeling.

Close, I believe Cristóbal Halffter still has all of his hair. ;) It’s Ernesto Halfftner in Rafael’s photo.
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Post by: Crudblud on November 25, 2017, 06:29:03 PM
Close, I believe Cristóbal Halffter still has all of his hair. ;) It’s Ernesto Halfftner in Rafael’s photo.

His uncle! Well, same family isn't so bad.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 25, 2017, 06:32:24 PM
His uncle! Well, same family isn't so bad.

:D

I guess it’s my turn...it’s time to stump these people! >:D
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Post by: Florestan on November 26, 2017, 12:34:52 AM
We need a hint, John.

Looks a little like a very young Dinu Lipatti but I don't think it's him.
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Post by: Spineur on November 26, 2017, 01:35:08 AM
He looks british to me, more like a young R. Vaughan Williams.
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Post by: ritter on November 26, 2017, 01:42:13 AM
Close, I believe Cristóbal Halffter still has all of his hair. ;) It’s Ernesto Halfftner in Rafael’s photo.
Right on all counts, John.  :)

...in the sense of...
Ernesto Halffter was Falla"s only student, a close collaborator, and dedicated almost 30 years of his life to completing Falla's final work Atlántida (which I strongly recommend to all who haven't explored it...a fascinating piece of music),

The Halffters (brothers Ernesto and Rodolfo, and nephew to both Cristóbal) were once dubbed "the most significant musical family saga since the Bachs" (or something to that effect).
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2017, 06:06:00 AM
We need a hint, John.

Looks a little like a very young Dinu Lipatti but I don't think it's him.

Alight, but to make it difficult, I will only provide one clue: this composer became an international success after the premiere of possibly his best-known opera at the Salzburg Festival.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2017, 06:07:01 AM
He looks british to me, more like a young R. Vaughan Williams.

Nope, but I won’t say whether he’s British or not.
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Post by: Christo on November 26, 2017, 06:18:11 AM
Nope, but I won’t say whether he’s British or not.
Benjamin Britten as a 'young person', perhaps?
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Post by: Spineur on November 26, 2017, 06:39:01 AM
Nope, but I won’t say whether he’s British or not.
So if he is not in a UK private school, than he must be in one of those swiss school for the wealthy.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2017, 07:35:19 AM
Benjamin Britten as a 'young person', perhaps?

Nope. :) Okay, you know what? I’ll just go ahead and admit that this composer in question is not British. :)
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Post by: kishnevi on November 26, 2017, 08:33:38 AM
A little digging around Salzburg history produced the image in question.
http://www.gottfried-von-einem.at/english/biography/

The opera being Danton's Tod.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 26, 2017, 08:36:18 AM
The only initial clue I will give is: he may not be famous, but he is by no means obscure.
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Post by: Florestan on November 26, 2017, 08:41:53 AM
Rodolphe Kreutzer?
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Post by: kishnevi on November 26, 2017, 09:08:40 AM
Rodolphe Kreutzer?

No.
ETA: I'm fairly certain that you have some of his music in your collection, but I don't recall you mentioning him in a while.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 26, 2017, 09:11:28 AM
Now that I think of it, some people might say he deserves the description "famous".  I suppose it depends on what degree of fame qualifies as "Famous".
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Post by: kishnevi on November 26, 2017, 09:15:34 AM
Bingo.   Now it's your turn.
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Post by: Christo on November 26, 2017, 09:19:29 AM
I knew he looked quite familiar! Hummel!

I found him this  way: certainly in my collection >>> a piano music composer >>> given the attire, an early romantic >>> first name to come to my mind: Hummel.  :D
Saw his home - now the composer's museum - in Bratislava (formerly Pozsony or, for Hummel, Pressburg. It was a nice time capsule, AFAI remember.  :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 26, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Sorry, I removed my edited post because double-checking the image I posted I realized it was not whom I thought him to be.

This is the right picture. Who is he?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2017, 09:34:05 AM
A little digging around Salzburg history produced the image in question.
http://www.gottfried-von-einem.at/english/biography/

The opera being Danton's Tod.

Yep, that’s the one. :) Of course, without our ability to research things on the fly through the internet, no one would have probably guessed the composer. :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 26, 2017, 09:36:01 AM
Yep, that’s the one. :) Of course, without our ability to research things on the fly through the internet, no one would have probably guessed the composer. :)

Nor would you have probably found Richard Meale.  :laugh:
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2017, 10:09:43 AM
Nor would you have probably found Richard Meale.  :laugh:

Hah! Probably true, although I do have a recording that shows Richard Meale’s photo. :)
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Post by: Christo on November 26, 2017, 10:48:07 AM
I recognized this moustache immediately - but it took me some time to realize it belongs to Humperdinck, a composer I hardly know, except for his first name - Engelbert is also featuring in my mother's family - and Hänsel und Gretel.
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Post by: Florestan on November 26, 2017, 11:03:32 AM
Too easy, i guess.  :D
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Post by: Christo on November 26, 2017, 11:32:12 AM
My turn again. ;D His grandfather was a famous folk singer and himself also wrote folk music, but earned his income as a marble carver, this grandson continued some of these family traditions:


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Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2017, 11:47:54 AM
My turn again. ;D His grandfather was a famous folk singer and himself also wrote folk music, but earned his income as a marble carver, this grandson continued some of these family traditions:

I’m not sure of the composer’s history, but it looks like Skalkottas to me.
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Post by: kishnevi on November 26, 2017, 06:04:42 PM
I recognized this moustache immediately - but it took me some time to realize it belongs to Humperdinck, a composer I hardly know, except for his first name - Engelbert is also featuring in my mother's family - and Hänsel und Gretel.

Oh, you mean this guy
(http://cdn1.theweek.co.uk/sites/theweek/files/styles/16x8_748/public/Engelbert%20Humperdinck.jpg?itok=SIiQLNj0)

 :laugh:
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Post by: Christo on November 26, 2017, 10:15:08 PM
I’m not sure of the composer’s history, but it looks like Skalkottas to me.
He is. Your turn again!  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 05:45:16 AM
He is. Your turn again!  :)

Alright, who is this composer:
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 06:02:38 AM
Hint, please.  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 06:15:05 AM
Hint, please.  :)

Alright...

Despite coming from a country that doesn’t have a strong classical tradition, this composer became the most influential composer in his country’s history, but he also became recognized internationally as being a leading musical representative for his country.
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 06:28:02 AM
Looked for Australia...zip!...for new Zealand...zip!...and for Canada...bingo! Harry Somers it is...I've never heard of him..
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 06:35:58 AM
Looked for Australia...zip!...for new Zealand...zip!...and for Canada...bingo! Harry Somers it is...I've never heard of him..

You beat me by an inch...  :D
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 06:48:09 AM
Ha!

Well, Mirror Image permitting, I'm back to my usual antics:

(http://classic-online.ru/uploads/83000/82924.jpg)

Very much in line with the trend I started some weeks ago, and one additional HUGE coincidence with previous names.  :D

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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 06:52:06 AM
Let me guess: more famous as a conductor than a composer?
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 06:55:11 AM
Let me guess: more famous as a conductor than a composer?
Indeed... but there's also another HUGE coincidence...  :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 06:56:43 AM
Indeed... but there's also another HUGE coincidence...  :)

He's born in Argentina but you always thought he actually immigrated there?  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
He's born in Argentina but you always thought he actually immigrated there?  :laugh:
No...in the names...
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 06:58:56 AM
No...in the names...

Aha!... Italo or Gino, I don't think so... otoh, Hector... let's see.  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 07:01:43 AM
Aha!... Italo or Gino, I don't think so... otoh, Hector... let's see.  :laugh:
No...not in those names...
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 07:07:15 AM
Yeah, I had a second thought about that. Now, what's Montemezzi in French? Entremont, perhaps? But Philippe is just a conductor. No, wait, it's actually his father, right? I haven't been able to find his name, though.





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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
Looked for Australia...zip!...for new Zealand...zip!...and for Canada...bingo! Harry Somers it is...I've never heard of him..

Yep, he’s the one!
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Yeah, I had a second thought about that. Now, what's Montemezzi in French? Entremont, perhaps? But Philippe is just a conductor. No, wait, it's actually his father, right? I haven't been able to find his name, though.
Cold, cold...

This man wrote an opera based on a (then) famous late 18th century novel, and two concertos for orchestra named after his family's estate in the outskirts of...(I will not give the name of the town)... But he's much better known as a conductor (having held a very prestigious post, just before a very famous conductor was appointed top it).
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 07:18:32 AM
Cold, cold...

Yes but what a great failure, ain't it?  :laugh:



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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 07:24:13 AM
Yes but what a great failure, ain't it?  :laugh:
Yes...

The coincidence is with three names...a trend, more than a coincidence... ;)

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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 07:29:19 AM
Has zz in his surname?  :)
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 07:31:29 AM
Has zz in his surname?  :)
Boiling hot, now!
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 07:34:55 AM
Gianandrea Gavazzeni? Concerto bergamasco?
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Post by: kishnevi on November 27, 2017, 07:44:32 AM
Hmmm...I did the Google image search thing and found someone who has a double z in his name but going by the Wikipedia biography does not match any of the other clues you give.
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 07:50:05 AM
Gianandrea Gavazzeni? Concerto bergamasco?
Gianandrea Gavazzeni...Concerti di Cinquandò (there's actually three of those, not two--apologies--). Cinquandò is the family's estate near Bergamo.  His opera is Paolo e Virginia, based on Bernardin de Saint-Pierre's novel. Gavazzeni gave up composing in 1949, realizing that his music was out of synch with his times. He (reluctantly) conducted some of his music very late in his life (in the early 90s IIRC); none of it has been recorded AFAIK.

He was, of course, a prestigious conductor of Italian opera, and was artistic director of La Scala for a couple of years in the mid-60s, having been succeeded by Claudio Abbado. He has the distinction of being one of 4 men who have been posthumously honoured with a performance of the funeral march from the Eroica played in the empty opera house with the doors open. First came Toscanini in 1957--conducted by Victor de Sabata--, then de Sabata himself in 1967--with no conductor--, Gavazzeni in 1996--conducted by Riccardo Muti, and Abbado in 2014--conducted by Barenboim). It's a rather nice tradition, I'd say. EDIT:It's actually 5 men who have been honoured this way; Carlo Maria Giulini received this posthumous homage in 2005 (the conductor was Myung Whun Chung on that occasion).

Gavazzeni was also a prolific and insightful writer on music.



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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 08:05:37 AM
My turn, then. Who is this?

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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 08:16:18 AM
My turn, then. Who is this?
Clue, please... :) I presume no ZZ in the name
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 08:19:49 AM
Clue, please... :) I presume no ZZ in the name

No, but three consonants do repeat themselves.  :D

One of his compositions is heard once in a (regular) while.
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Post by: Turner on November 27, 2017, 08:55:24 AM
My turn, then. Who is this?

Given your clues, I thought of various annual events & some related music.
However, switching to a span of several years then produced a result:

Spyridon Samaras, the composer of the Olympic Hymn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyridon_Samaras
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 08:59:10 AM
Bravo!

He was a quite popular composer of operas in his time. His La martire (on a libretto by Luigi Illica no less) inaugurated the Teatro lirico internazionale in Milan, 1894.)

Your turn.
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Post by: Turner on November 27, 2017, 09:12:23 AM
Who´s the person on the right?

You might-might recognize the person on the left, who´s a clue regarding the geography;
and our man is usually seen with glasses, very circular and quite characteristic for him, a bit like those of Stravinsky (in fact, his eyesight was quite poor).

He excelled in many genres and was a really talented and good composer, definitely worth exploring, IMO.
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 09:19:37 AM
Looks like Anton Webern.
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Post by: Turner on November 27, 2017, 09:22:37 AM
Well, it isn´t.

The genres include a lot of popular music, btw. He also went to the US.
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
Kurt Weill?
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Post by: Turner on November 27, 2017, 09:29:32 AM
No. I guess the hairstyle fashion of those days made a lot of men look like each other  :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
The one on the left looks very familiar. Possibly Czech? Yup, Alois Haba, which mens your man is...

Jaroslav Jezek.

Never heard about him, though.
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Post by: ritter on November 27, 2017, 09:35:20 AM

The genres include a lot of popular music, btw. He also went to the US.
Vladimir Dukelsky aka Vernon Duke?

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Post by: Turner on November 27, 2017, 09:37:00 AM
The one on the left looks very familiar. Possibly Czech? Yup, Alois Haba, which mens your man is...

Jaroslav Jezek.

Never heard about him, though.

Right. His classical works are great and interesting,
his jazz band recordings can be quite catchy too, such as the Bugatti Step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reMYQSKRO24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaroslav_Je%C5%BEek_(composer)
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
Okay, guys, who's this?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 10:08:15 AM
Okay, guys, who's this?

Hint?

Never mind: it’s Robert Fuchs. :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 10:17:14 AM
I suppose it’s my turn...

Who is this composer?
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Post by: Turner on November 27, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
I suppose it’s my turn...

Who is this composer?

Was he English/American speaking?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 10:29:08 AM
Was he English/American speaking?

The only clue I’ll give will be this: he was the half-brother of a painter and illustrator who worked for two well-known magazines.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 10:31:54 AM
I think this time I have stumped you all. >:D
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 11:01:59 AM
Hint?

Never mind: it’s Robert Fuchs. :)

How did you find him? Are you a fan?  :laugh:
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 11:02:53 AM
How did you find him? Are you a fan?  :laugh:

Not a fan just went on a hunch since I saw you listening to his music in the ‘Listening’ thread.
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 11:24:31 AM
Not a fan just went on a hunch since I saw you listening to his music in the ‘Listening’ thread.

 ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
I think this time I have stumped you all. >:D

Not me. Emil von Reznicek.  ;D
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
Not me. Emil von Reznicek.  ;D

You recognized his photo?
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 11:55:06 AM
You recognized his photo?

No, I used your hint.
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
So, who is this composer?
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 12:02:56 PM
No, I used your hint.

Then you must have seen his half-brother’s illustrations before?
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Then you must have seen his half-brother’s illustrations before?

Never heard about his brother until today.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
Never heard about his brother until today.

So how did you find out?
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:14:28 PM
So how did you find out?

I googled "composer half brother painter". On page two I found the Wikipedia article about Ferdinand von Reznicek.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
I googled "composer half brother painter". On page two I found the Wikipedia article about Ferdinand von Reznicek.

Okay, so, without Google, you wouldn’t have known who the composer was. Gotcha.
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:19:13 PM
Okay, so, without Google, you wouldn’t have known who the composer was. Gotcha.

Of course. And if you think I'm the only one who uses Google for research, you're dead wrong. It's the 21th century, John, get used to it.  :D

And at least I use it properly. You got from it Perez Ayala instead of Blas Galindo.  >:D
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 12:24:12 PM
Of course. And if you think I'm the only one who uses Google for research, you're dead wrong. It's the 21th century, John, get used to it.  :D

And at least I use it properly. You got from it Perez Ayala instead of Blas Galindo.  >:D

I’m sure you never lost a game of Charades either. (In the softest whisper imaginable) “The answer is The Iceman Cometh”. :laugh:
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
I’m sure you never lost a game of Charades either.

What's that?

A reminder of my new riddle below.
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 12:27:54 PM
What's that?

Google it! :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:45:00 PM
Google it! :)

Touché!  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 12:47:11 PM
Touché!  :)

:D

As for your composer in question, gosh...he looks so familiar.
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Post by: Florestan on November 27, 2017, 12:52:15 PM
I'm off to bed. Hint(s) to come in about 12 hours time.  :D

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Post by: Mirror Image on November 27, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
I'm off to bed. Hint(s) to come in about 12 hours time.  :D

Not necessary. It’s Artur Schnabel. If it’s not, damn! :)
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Post by: Florestan on November 28, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
There is some resemblance between them but nope.

He started by composing in a cosmopolitan style but later switched to a more modern idiom adorned with a fair dose of nationalism.

He has some things in common with two composers previously posted here.

Last but not least, I have a 2-volume series of his music, released by a famous label.
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Post by: vandermolen on November 28, 2017, 12:14:11 AM
Unlike many of the others posted here he does at least look a bit familiar but not sure who he is.
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Post by: Florestan on November 28, 2017, 01:11:05 AM
His son was also famous in his country; not a musician, though.
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Post by: Florestan on November 28, 2017, 07:24:11 AM
BUMP!
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Post by: vandermolen on November 28, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
BUMP!
Another clue please?
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Post by: Florestan on November 28, 2017, 07:46:54 AM
He was a pupil of Cesar Franck. His surname is deceiving as to his nationality.
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Post by: vandermolen on November 28, 2017, 08:41:56 AM
He was a pupil of Cesar Franck. His surname is deceiving as to his nationality.
Thanks for the clue. I have to confess, however, that a Google search for 'pupils of Cesar Frank' didn't help much. He is clearly not D'Indy or Duparc although the search did bring up an Italian footballer!
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Post by: Florestan on November 28, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
the search did bring up an Italian footballer!

 :laugh:

He founded his country's Conservatory, which for a while beared his name.


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Post by: ritter on November 29, 2017, 12:45:15 AM
:laugh:

He founded his country's Conservatory, which for a while beared his name.
That gave it away...a knew Argentina's probably most famous composer, Alberto Gibnatera, studied at the Alberto Williams conservatory in Buenos Aires.

Alberto Williams's son Amancio was an important architect in his country.

Am I right, or am I right?

My turn, I suppose.

(http://www.fotografia.iccd.beniculturali.it/images/watermark/9/80860.jpg)
 
Clue: man is a creature of habit.  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 29, 2017, 12:51:05 AM
That gave it away...

I knew it would.  :)

Your man is certainly an Italian and certainly known more as a conductor than a composer. Possibly his surname contains zz. Am I right, or am I right?  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on November 29, 2017, 12:52:57 AM
I knew it would.  :)

Your man is certainly an Italian and certainly known more as a conductor than a composer. Possibly his surname contains zz. Am I right, or am I right?  :laugh:
Right on two of the three points...will not say which is wrong.  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on November 29, 2017, 01:04:44 AM
The list is too long. I need a supplementary hint, be it an esoteric one.  :D
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Post by: ritter on November 29, 2017, 01:16:08 AM
The list is too long. I need a supplementary hint, be it an esoteric one.  :D
He was the teacher of one of the guys who's already appeared on this thread...
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Post by: Florestan on November 29, 2017, 01:21:05 AM
He was the teacher of one of the guys who's already appeared on this thread...

Mille grazie, amico!

And...

Ildebrando Pizzetti.
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Post by: ritter on November 29, 2017, 01:38:53 AM
Mille grazie, amico!

And...

Ildebrando Pizzetti.
Indeed....with this, I think I've exhausted the mine of Italians with "zz" in the names... :)

Il suo turno, gentile signore.

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Post by: Florestan on November 29, 2017, 01:48:13 AM
I think I've exhausted the mine of Italians with "zz" in the names... :)

There are some more.  :D

Il suo turno, gentile signore.

Al servizio di vossignoria ilustrissima.

Chi e... sorry, who is this?  :)

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Post by: ritter on November 29, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
East European?
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Post by: vandermolen on November 29, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Leonardo da Vinci

I give up.
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Post by: listener on December 01, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
Obviously (?) not a violinist.
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Post by: Florestan on December 01, 2017, 12:59:05 PM
East European?

More by accident of birth and deliberate choice than by nationality. He took a pen (sur)name reminiscent of his birth location and wrote his name in the local version.
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Post by: Turner on December 01, 2017, 01:13:57 PM
Did he have a military career?
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Post by: Florestan on December 01, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
Did he have a military career?

No.
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Post by: kishnevi on December 01, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
I'll drop a hint:
He was koniglich not kaiserlich.

(I did the Google Image Search).
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Post by: vandermolen on December 04, 2017, 01:14:03 AM
I'll drop a hint:
He was koniglich not kaiserlich.

(I did the Google Image Search).
Any more clues?
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 01:39:59 AM
Any more clues?

He was one of the earliest musical nationalists. He composed mostly for the piano. One of his works, a cycle of short pieces, has something in common with similar compositions by Schumann and Debussy.

A well-known label has recorded five discs dedicated to his music.

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Post by: ritter on December 04, 2017, 02:07:22 AM
I give up  :( ... Looked him up...Makes my "zz" Italians appear like the most widely played, admired and loved composers ever...
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 02:12:12 AM
I give up  :( ... Looked him up...Makes my "zz" Italians appear like the most widely played, admired and loved composers ever...

If I were John, I'd certainly boast about getting everybody stumped.  :laugh:
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Post by: vandermolen on December 04, 2017, 04:33:43 AM
He was one of the earliest musical nationalists. He composed mostly for the piano. One of his works, a cycle of short pieces, has something in common with similar compositions by Schumann and Debussy.

A well-known label has recorded five discs dedicated to his music.

Thanks Andrei but think I'm going to have to give up too.

Post a photo of Miaskovsky next time.  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 07:05:18 AM
Mihaly Mosonyi (born Michael Brand).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C3%A1ly_Mosonyi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C3%A1ly_Mosonyi)

Whose turn is it now? 
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Post by: vandermolen on December 04, 2017, 08:08:56 AM
Mihaly Mosonyi (born Michael Brand).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C3%A1ly_Mosonyi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C3%A1ly_Mosonyi)

Whose turn is it now?

Shouldn't you have another go as nobody knew him?
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 08:16:12 AM
So be it. Who is this guy?
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Post by: vandermolen on December 04, 2017, 08:45:35 AM
So be it. Who is this guy?

Oh no!
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Post by: Turner on December 04, 2017, 09:28:03 AM
So be it. Who is this guy?

Is it roughly Central Europe? There´s not much Italian or French grace in that portrait ...
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 09:30:08 AM
Oh no!

And yet this one is easy.

He shares the name with two giants of music, one active in his own domain.

The first two syllables of his surname form half the title of a famous opera (which despite being famous, pretty much nobody could name a single aria, ensemble or chorus, let alone hum them).

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Post by: vandermolen on December 04, 2017, 09:34:59 AM
And yet this one is easy.

Well, maybe not for me!
 8)
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Post by: Christo on December 04, 2017, 09:43:02 AM
Oh no!
Errrr, late 20th Century, Latin American, probably female ....  8)
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
Errrr, late 20th Century, Latin American, probably female ....  8)

There is one word in the above sequence which applies, actually.  :D
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Post by: vandermolen on December 04, 2017, 11:05:49 AM
Errrr, late 20th Century, Latin American, probably female ....  8)

 ;D
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Post by: Christo on December 04, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
There is one word in the above sequence which applies, actually.  :D
Errrr,
#Iguess
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Post by: kishnevi on December 04, 2017, 07:46:46 PM
And yet this one is easy.

He shares the name with two giants of music, one active in his own domain.

The first two syllables of his surname form half the title of a famous opera (which despite being famous, pretty much nobody could name a single aria, ensemble or chorus, let alone hum them).

I'll give two clues, one of which is a correction of Andrei's.

The opera is not famous, but the overture is.

This is another entry in Andrei's Book of Obscure Composers Whose Names Have A Double ZZ In The Middle.
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Post by: Florestan on December 04, 2017, 11:52:31 PM
This is another entry in Andrei's Book of Obscure Composers Whose Names Have A Double ZZ In The Middle.

Time for me to correct you: it's my first entry, actually. The expert on the topic is ritter.  :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 05:58:41 AM
Oh...now it all fits in...finally!

La gazza ladra ===> Giuseppe Gazzaniga. Never heard a note by him, but remeber seeing (and being intrigued by) recordings of his Don Giovanni many years ago (when there used to be CD shops that stocked everything  :( ).

BTW, I do know (and enjoy very much) all of La gazza ladra (beautifully recorded by Katia Ricciarelli and Samuel Ramey, live from Pesaro under Gianluigi Gelmetti). Rossini at the top of his game (with a number that must have been inspired by "Mir ist so wunderbar" from Fidelio ). And , of course, the overture means a lot to many film fans...  :)

Well, Andrei usurped by "zz" trademark, but I pardon him (and AFAIK, Gazzaniga was not a "conductor-composer").

I'll think about something to post in the next hour... ;)

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Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 06:04:50 AM
Oh...now it all fits in...finally!

La gazza ladra ===> Giuseppe Gazzaniga. Never heard a note by him, but remeber seeing (and being intrigued by) recordings of his Don Giovanni many years ago (when there used to be CD shops that stocked everything  :( ).

Yessss.

Quote
BTW, I do know (and enjoy very much) all of La gazza ladra (beautifully recorded by Katia Ricciarelli and Samuel Ramey, live from Pesaro under Gianluigi Gelmetti). Rossini at the top of his game (with a number that must have been inspired by "Mir ist so wunderbar" from Fidelio ). And , of course, the overture means a lot to many film fans...  :)

Which recording, please? I'll wishlist on the spot.

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Well, Andrei usurped by "zz" trademark, but I pardon him.

Gioia e pace per mill'anni, vossignoria ilustrissima! Servitor vostro!

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I'll think about something to post in the next hour... ;)

Zzzzzz....  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 06:19:08 AM
Which recording, please? I'll wishlist on the spot.
L'incisione è questa:


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Gioia e pace per mill'anni, vossignoria ilustrissima! Servitor vostro!
Obbligato in verità...Basta, basta, per pietà...  ;D ;D ;D

Let's see, then... OK!

And now, for something completely different...Who's this chap?

(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2009/348/8991503_126086447712.jpg)

Clues provided upon demand... ;)
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Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 06:24:23 AM
L'incisione è questa:


Muchissimas gracias, noble caballlero!

Quote
Let's see, then...

OK! And now, for something completely different...Who's this chap?

(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2009/348/8991503_126086447712.jpg)

Clues provided upon demand... ;)

East European?
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 06:29:44 AM
East European?
No...and even less so if one applies our dear Christo's interpretation of geography  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 06:34:05 AM
No...and even less so if one applies our dear Christo's interpretation of geography  ;)

I'm surprised... at first sight I thought he's Russian.

Okay, some poetic hint then? (these are my favorites, honestly).  :)
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 06:43:23 AM
I'm surprised... at first sight I thought he's Russian.

Okay, some poetic hint then? (these are my favorites, honestly).  :)
This man wrote a very interesting opera, pioneering one could say (due to the subject matter)...
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Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 06:54:53 AM
This man wrote a very interesting opera, pioneering one could say (due to the subject matter)...

As poetic as a skyscraper...  :laugh:
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 05, 2017, 06:55:52 AM
This man wrote a very interesting opera, pioneering one could say (due to the subject matter)...

Besides opera, did he write anything else interesting?
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Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 06:58:21 AM
Besides opera, did he write anything else interesting?

A love letter to his future wife?  :laugh:
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 05, 2017, 07:00:07 AM
A love letter to his future wife?  :laugh:

 :P
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
Besides opera, did he write anything else interesting?
Oh yes....think Albert Camus...
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 09:10:15 AM
As poetic as a skyscraper...  :laugh:
OK then...

An opera so modern, and yet so distant,
A man from the cold, and yet his valley is in bloom



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Post by: North Star on December 05, 2017, 09:17:03 AM
As poetic as a skyscraper...  :laugh:

Then, with inviolate curve, forsake our eyes   
As apparitional as sails that cross
Some page of figures to be filed away;
—Till elevators drop us from our day ...
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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 09:25:16 AM
Then, with inviolate curve, forsake our eyes   
As apparitional as sails that cross
Some page of figures to be filed away;
—Till elevators drop us from our day ...

Well seen, Karlo! And, you know, the soundtrack to that is this:

(https://www.elliottcarter.com/site/assets/files/2589/columbiam35171.696x0.jpg)
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Post by: North Star on December 05, 2017, 09:42:07 AM
Well seen, Karlo! And, you know, the soundtrack to that is this:

(https://www.elliottcarter.com/site/assets/files/2589/columbiam35171.696x0.jpg)
Well there's the Sonny Rollins album The Bridge, named thus for his practicing on the Brooklyn Bridge. But yeah, it's probably not knotty enough.
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Post by: Turner on December 05, 2017, 10:29:05 AM
L'incisione è questa:



Let's see, then... OK!

And now, for something completely different...Who's this chap?

(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2009/348/8991503_126086447712.jpg)

Clues provided upon demand... ;)

I got your hint I think, thinking pioneering-> expedition -> space opera -> Aniara, by Karl Birger Blomdahl ...
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Post by: vandermolen on December 05, 2017, 10:45:30 AM
I got your hint I think, thinking pioneering-> expedition -> space opera -> Aniara, by Karl Birger Blomdahl ...

Well done! I knew he looked familiar. I like his Symphony 1 in particular. But don't know the space opera  although I  have a suite from it. An interesting choice.
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Post by: Turner on December 05, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
I thought of posting Julie D´Aubigny / Mademoiselle Maupin, whose adventurous existence was larger than life and worth knowing about, but I won´t, since she was only an opera singer and didn´t compose anything.

https://kellygardiner.com/fiction/books/goddess/the-real-life-of-julie-daubigny/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_d%27Aubigny

In stead, it will be this experimental composer:


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Post by: ritter on December 05, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
I got your hint I think, thinking pioneering-> expedition -> space opera -> Aniara, by Karl Birger Blomdahl ...
Indeed. Well done!  :) And the Albert Camus hint was a reference to Blomdahl's ballet Sisyphos (which, by chance, as a very young man I saw a rehearsal of in Lucerne in 1975 under IIRC Antal Dorati).

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Post by: Turner on December 05, 2017, 01:25:50 PM
Indeed. Well done!  :) And the Albert Camus hint was a reference to Blomdahl's ballet Sisyphos (which, by chance, as a very young man I saw a rehearsal of in Lucerne in 1975 under IIRC Antal Dorati).

oh, I see, didn´t have the possibility to check the quotes at first, since I just had my mobile phone.
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Post by: Turner on December 05, 2017, 10:25:02 PM

In stead, it will be this experimental composer:

Hint: her most well-known work is an orchestral piece lasting less than 9 minutes and dealing with autumn etc.
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Post by: vandermolen on December 07, 2017, 02:50:50 AM
Hint: her most well-known work is an orchestral piece lasting less than 9 minutes and dealing with autumn etc.
Any more clues?
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Post by: ritter on December 07, 2017, 03:11:01 AM
Hint: her most well-known work is an orchestral piece lasting less than 9 minutes and dealing with autumn etc.
I gather from the paraphernalia in the picture that this lady might be American, but cannot progress any further from there... ::) :-[
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Post by: Florestan on December 07, 2017, 03:16:07 AM
I gather from the paraphernalia in the picture that this lady might be American, but cannot progress any further from there... ::) :-[

Did the Google Image trick. She was quite well-connected to modernist celebrities, including one of your heroes.
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Post by: Turner on December 07, 2017, 03:20:00 AM
I gather from the paraphernalia in the picture that this lady might be American, but cannot progress any further from there... ::) :-[
Indeed, some Polish connections too ...
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Post by: ritter on December 07, 2017, 03:42:18 AM
Indeed, some Polish connections too ...
Oh! By pure chance, I remembered that in this CD (which I got for the Boulez and Dallapiccola works it includes)...

(https://img.discogs.com/acxtwHyRU90R6izh0uVdHuYvSps=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-7313071-1438640346-7616.jpeg.jpg)

...also had  a piece by a female composer with a Polish sounding name (I remembered her given name, Lucia, not more than that). I must confess I haven't listened to that piece, but it turns out she is our mystery woman: Lucia Dlugoszewski...

Did the Google Image trick. She was quite well-connected to modernist celebrities, including one of your heroes.
To Reynaldo Hahn? ? ? ? ?  ??? How strange!  :D

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Post by: Florestan on December 07, 2017, 03:47:18 AM
To Reynaldo Hahn? ? ? ? ?  ??? How strange!  :D

No, I actually meant Telemann...  :laugh:
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Post by: Turner on December 07, 2017, 04:01:05 AM
Oh! By pure chance, I remembered that in this CD (which I got for the Boulez and Dallapiccola works it includes)...

(https://img.discogs.com/acxtwHyRU90R6izh0uVdHuYvSps=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-7313071-1438640346-7616.jpeg.jpg)

...also had  a piece by a female composer with a Polish sounding name (I remembered her given name, Lucia, not more than that). I must confess I haven't listened to that piece, but it turns out she is our mystery woman: Lucia Dlugoszewski...
To Reynaldo Hahn? ? ? ? ?  ??? How strange!  :D
Yes, I think that is a classic and fascinating work by her. Your turn!
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Post by: ritter on December 07, 2017, 04:10:19 AM
OK...here goes.

Who's this fellow?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jNvNXH1BWU0/hqdefault.jpg)

First hint: these understated clothes bear little relation to his usual demeanour or his scores.  ;)
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Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 01:59:07 AM
OK...here goes.

Who's this fellow?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jNvNXH1BWU0/hqdefault.jpg)

First hint: these understated clothes bear little relation to his usual demeanour or his scores.  ;)

Looks American?
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Post by: ritter on December 08, 2017, 02:04:29 AM
Looks American?
If he were American, I'd be going against my own trend, wouldn't I?  ;)
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Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2017, 02:07:33 AM
First hint: these understated clothes bear little relation to his usual demeanour or his scores.  ;)

Sylvano Bussoti?
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Post by: ritter on December 08, 2017, 02:12:52 AM
Sylvano Bussoti?
Wow! That was quick...

Here his more flamboyant, younger self (next to Cathy Berberian):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/1/15/Berberian_and_Bussotti.jpg)

...and one of his wacky graphic scores:

(https://dspncdn.com/a1/media/692x/e2/75/6a/e2756ad4016a75f58b5cf13d41c639d7.jpg)

Your turn, Andrei!
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Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2017, 02:28:44 AM
Wow! That was quick...

Here his more flamboyant, younger self (next to Cathy Berberian):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/1/15/Berberian_and_Bussotti.jpg)

One can instantly tell his orientation, if you know what I mean...  :laugh:


Quote
...and one of his wacky graphic scores:

(https://dspncdn.com/a1/media/692x/e2/75/6a/e2756ad4016a75f58b5cf13d41c639d7.jpg)

You mean to tell us that somebody can play that?  :o

Quote
Your turn, Andrei!

Who's this dashing young man? (the hint is the image itself)
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Post by: North Star on December 08, 2017, 02:46:52 AM
One can instantly tell his orientation, if you know what I mean...  :laugh:


You mean to tell us that somebody can play that?  :o
That has nothing on Ferneyhough ;)
(https://dnan0fzjxntrj.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/8/3/7/8837_ferneyhoughquartet_795383.png)
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Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2017, 02:51:58 AM
That has nothing on Ferneyhough ;)
(https://dnan0fzjxntrj.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/8/3/7/8837_ferneyhoughquartet_795383.png)

At least in Ferneyhough there are clearly recognizable notes. Bussoti's score looks rather like of one of my son's scribblings.  :laugh:

I admit, though, that subito piu intimo can give the violinist a big headscratching, even a big headache.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 05:16:21 AM
Sylvano Bussoti?
Never heard of him.
Did he manufacture biscuits?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on December 08, 2017, 05:55:15 AM
Who's this dashing young man? (the hint is the image itself)

Saint-Saens of course!
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2017, 05:56:17 AM
Saint-Saens of course!

That was quick! Your turn, of course.
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: Mirror Image on December 08, 2017, 06:04:29 AM
That was quick! Your turn, of course.

;) I had some help from Google. 8)

Who is this composer?
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Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 06:14:53 AM
;) I had some help from Google. 8)

Who is this composer?

Herbert Howells (I think!) - can't believe there is one I (think) I know ..hurrah!

If so, I saw him in real life once at a performance of his wonderful 'Hymnus Paradisi'.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 08, 2017, 06:22:24 AM
Herbert Howells (I think!) - can't believe there is one I (think) I know ..hurrah!

If so, I saw him in real life once at a performance of his wonderful 'Hymnus Paradisi'.

Yep! Howells is correct, Jeffrey! A wonderful composer in the RVW line.
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Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 06:43:23 AM
Yep! Howells is correct, Jeffrey! A wonderful composer in the RVW line.

Totally agree with you John.

Am at work but will post a photo from home when I get back.
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Post by: Ken B on December 08, 2017, 09:40:55 AM
(https://www.zefirrecords.nl/album/ad891057e90d3f0fdb1/phpimg/zr_beeldmateriaal_fe20e1545557594da8a_0a_IMG_1056.JPG)

Hint: born after 1750
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 11:44:39 AM
Ok whose this pipe-smoking composer?
(http://)
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Post by: Ken B on December 08, 2017, 12:01:13 PM
Ok whose this pipe-smoking composer?
(http://)
Moeran?
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 02:11:57 PM
Moeran?
No but right part of the world.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on December 08, 2017, 03:09:04 PM
Ok whose this pipe-smoking composer?
(http://)

He's an English composer. Cyril Rootham.
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Post by: Christo on December 08, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
He's an English composer. Cyril Rootham.
Aaarghhh, now I remember; knew him!  :'(  ;)
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Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
He's an English composer. Cyril Rootham.
Correct! Well done.
Your go.
 :)
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Post by: vandermolen on December 08, 2017, 03:26:01 PM
Aaarghhh, now I remember; knew him!  :'(  ;)

One of my clues would have been:

'Christo can't stand his First Symphony'.
 8)
Title: Re: Identify that composer's PICTURE game!
Post by: SymphonicAddict on December 08, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
What about this guy?

Hint: It's European  8)
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 08, 2017, 04:32:41 PM
What about this guy?

Hint: It's European  8)

This would be Ernest Pingoud.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 08, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
My turn I suppose...

Who is this composer?
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on December 08, 2017, 07:19:29 PM
This would be Ernest Pingoud.

True.

My turn I suppose...

Who is this composer?

Now, he is Egon Wellesz, an Austrian composer.
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Post by: vandermolen on December 09, 2017, 12:53:03 AM
This would be Ernest Pingoud.

I like his music, especially 'Prophet'.

Also Wellesz's Second Symphony is another fine work.
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Post by: André on December 09, 2017, 06:05:24 AM
Now, I know it's not my turn (l'm always stumped, as MI says :D), but this one should be fairly easy to discover.

Hint: none, cause the picture speaks for itself!

(http://karin-rehnqvist.se/wp-content/gallery/kr-bilder/K-Rehnqvist-ice-1267.JPG)
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 09, 2017, 08:12:25 AM
Yes, guys, it’s Wellesz in the photo I provided above.

Now for Andre's composer in question: it’s Karin Rehnqvist.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 09, 2017, 08:15:52 AM
My turn I suppose: who is this composer?
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 09, 2017, 11:48:37 AM
No guesses as to whom my composer in question is?

He’s a more well-known composer from a country that has only in more recent years begun to get some recognition for their contributions to music.
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Post by: Spineur on December 09, 2017, 03:37:53 PM
Estonian composer ? Andrus Kallatsu ?
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 09, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
Estonian composer ? Andrus Kallatsu ?

Nope. Nowhere near any of the Baltic States.
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Post by: Christo on December 09, 2017, 04:59:30 PM
Now, I know it's not my turn (l'm always stumped, as MI says :D), but this one should be fairly easy to discover.
Hint: none, cause the picture speaks for itself!

(http://karin-rehnqvist.se/wp-content/gallery/kr-bilder/K-Rehnqvist-ice-1267.JPG)
Onutė Narbutaitė?
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 09, 2017, 05:12:09 PM
Onutė Narbutaitė?

Nope, I already guessed correctly. It’s Karin Rehnqvist even though my correct answer hasn’t been acknowledged by Andre yet. ;)
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Post by: kishnevi on December 09, 2017, 09:30:02 PM
No guesses as to whom my composer in question is?

He’s a more well-known composer from a country that has only in more recent years begun to get some recognition for their contributions to music.

This guy, I think....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pehr_Henrik_Nordgren
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Post by: Florestan on December 10, 2017, 12:47:02 AM
This guy, I think....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pehr_Henrik_Nordgren

Doesn't fit in the hints at all: "a country that has only in more recent years begun to get some recognition for their contributions to music" and "nowhere near the Baltic states".

He's probably an obscure Australian or New Zealander.  :laugh:
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Post by: Turner on December 10, 2017, 01:31:15 AM
My turn I suppose: who is this composer?

I tried some Icelandic ones, both known and lesser known.

There´s a resemblance to Haflidi Hallgrimsson,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafli%C3%B0i_Hallgr%C3%ADmsson ,
though the exact photo doesn´t pop up.

Plus: the fingerring is the same, he feels a connection to it, it seems.

Fun fact: "In 1970, Hallgrímsson played the (uncredited) cello solo in the Atom Heart Mother (suite) from Pink Floyd."

I´ve got his Poemi for Violin & String Orchestra, an attractive piece, in two recordings.
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Post by: Turner on December 10, 2017, 01:40:34 AM
I´ll be off for some of the day, but in order to make this one a little more difficult, the portrait photo has been cut a bit.

This composer created a gigantic work, especially as regards music, but also in other artistic genres.

You are welcome to continue the quizz, when he has been guessed, in case I´m not able to verify immediately.

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Post by: André on December 10, 2017, 05:10:24 AM
Nope, I already guessed correctly. It’s Karin Rehnqvist even though my correct answer hasn’t been acknowledged by Andre yet. ;)

I’m back home and awake  :D. Yes, it’s Rehnqvist. As Trump would say: How d’you find her ? Did you use trickery ?  ;D

I heartily recommend this disc:

(https://img.discogs.com/fCmXBfYl4C8Oe60fvZaymKdck1I=/fit-in/600x602/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9290750-1478042103-4821.jpeg.jpg)
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Post by: Turner on December 10, 2017, 05:21:49 AM
Haven´t heard of Rehnqvist actually. As regards composers born after say 1940, my knowledge gets somewhat less dense. But she sounds interesting, and inspired by Nordic culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Rehnqvist
http://karin-rehnqvist.se/English/rehnqvistcompositions.html
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Post by: vandermolen on December 10, 2017, 08:21:28 AM
I’m back home and awake  :D. Yes, it’s Rehnqvist. As Trump would say: How d’you find her ? Did you use trickery ?  ;D

I heartily recommend this disc:

(https://img.discogs.com/fCmXBfYl4C8Oe60fvZaymKdck1I=/fit-in/600x602/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9290750-1478042103-4821.jpeg.jpg)
Never heard of her - sounds very interesting, however.
What's the music like Andre?
 :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 10, 2017, 08:55:47 AM
I tried some Icelandic ones, both known and lesser known.

There´s a resemblance to Haflidi Hallgrimsson,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafli%C3%B0i_Hallgr%C3%ADmsson ,
though the exact photo doesn´t pop up.

Plus: the fingerring is the same, he feels a connection to it, it seems.

Fun fact: "In 1970, Hallgrímsson played the (uncredited) cello solo in the Atom Heart Mother (suite) from Pink Floyd."

I´ve got his Poemi for Violin & String Orchestra, an attractive piece, in two recordings.

Yes, indeed. Hallgrímsson it is!
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 10, 2017, 09:33:29 AM
I´ll be off for some of the day, but in order to make this one a little more difficult, the portrait photo has been cut a bit.

This composer created a gigantic work, especially as regards music, but also in other artistic genres.

You are welcome to continue the quizz, when he has been guessed, in case I´m not able to verify immediately.

This would be Niels Viggo Bentzon.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 10, 2017, 09:34:16 AM
I’m back home and awake  :D. Yes, it’s Rehnqvist. As Trump would say: How d’you find her ? Did you use trickery ?  ;D

I heartily recommend this disc:

(https://img.discogs.com/fCmXBfYl4C8Oe60fvZaymKdck1I=/fit-in/600x602/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9290750-1478042103-4821.jpeg.jpg)

Yep, I used Google trickery. :)
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Post by: Turner on December 10, 2017, 09:37:53 AM
This would be Niels Viggo Bentzon.

Yes, it is Niels Viggo.
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Post by: kishnevi on December 10, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
Doesn't fit in the hints at all: "a country that has only in more recent years begun to get some recognition for their contributions to music" and "nowhere near the Baltic states".

He's probably an obscure Australian or New Zealander.  :laugh:

Actually I tried Iceland first, but the few images I found didn't seem to match.  So Kudos to Turner for having better eyes. 
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Post by: André on December 10, 2017, 01:52:19 PM
Never heard of her - sounds very interesting, however.
What's the music like Andre?
 :)

I’ll pull the Rehnqvist discs I have and give them a listen tomorrow !
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Post by: vandermolen on December 13, 2017, 04:54:27 AM
I’ll pull the Rehnqvist discs I have and give them a listen tomorrow !
Ok thanks Andre.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 13, 2017, 07:14:22 AM
I suppose it’s my turn to post a photo...who is this composer?
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Post by: vandermolen on December 13, 2017, 09:38:29 AM
I suppose it’s my turn to post a photo...who is this composer?
Looks like a very distinguished gentleman!
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on December 13, 2017, 12:34:28 PM
Looks like a very distinguished gentleman!

That distinguished gentleman is Peter Mennin, an American composer.

Now it's my turn. Try to guess who this guy is.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 13, 2017, 05:40:10 PM
Looks like a very distinguished gentleman!

That distinguished gentleman is Peter Mennin, an American composer.

Now it's my turn. Try to guess who this guy is.

Yep, Peter Mennin it is!
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 13, 2017, 05:41:27 PM

Now it's my turn. Try to guess who this guy is.

This would be Asger Hamerik. A Danish composer.
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Post by: SymphonicAddict on December 14, 2017, 11:48:37 AM
This would be Asger Hamerik. A Danish composer.

Yes, you guessed!
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Post by: Ken B on December 14, 2017, 12:49:16 PM
Mine, that no-one got, was Douwe Eisenga.

An easy one I expect John to get in an instant
(https://musicalics.com/sites/default/files/styles/original_rotated/public/images/composer/kalinnikov.jpg?itok=wqwxhPyD)
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Post by: Ken B on December 14, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zRWjjKD0kHg/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 14, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Mine, that no-one got, was Douwe Eisenga.

An easy one I expect John to get in an instant
(https://musicalics.com/sites/default/files/styles/original_rotated/public/images/composer/kalinnikov.jpg?itok=wqwxhPyD)

This would be Kalinnikov. :)
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Post by: vandermolen on December 14, 2017, 11:17:10 PM
This would be Kalinnikov. :)
Fine composer. Someone kindly gave me a CD of music from Tsar Boris.
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Post by: The new erato on December 15, 2017, 12:59:13 AM
Tsar Boris had CDs? Early adopter?
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Post by: Christo on December 15, 2017, 02:59:40 AM
(https://www.zefirrecords.nl/album/ad891057e90d3f0fdb1/phpimg/zr_beeldmateriaal_fe20e1545557594da8a_0a_IMG_1056.JPG)
Hint: born after 1750
Ours goes up to 1751.
So this is Douwe Eisenga ! A Dutch composer, actually from Zeeland ('Sealand'), the south-western sea province, and one whose music should be heard much more.
(https://www.douweeisenga.com/dynamisch/bibliotheek/cache/800_700_3_1560_3_textura2.jpg)
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Post by: Ken B on December 15, 2017, 06:12:32 AM
This would be Kalinnikov. :)
Indeed. I was sure you'd get that one. But who is the older guy?
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Post by: Ken B on December 15, 2017, 06:16:08 AM
(http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/assets/aa_image/320/5/1/d/8/51d89039011b6a3126b70cf83ad79c3403c709eb.jpg)

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Post by: Mirror Image on December 15, 2017, 06:45:08 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zRWjjKD0kHg/hqdefault.jpg)

Thanks to Google trickery, this is Carlos Guastavino.
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Post by: vandermolen on December 15, 2017, 06:48:44 AM
Tsar Boris had CDs? Early adopter?
He was way ahead of the game!  8)
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Post by: André on December 15, 2017, 07:04:47 AM
Thanks to Google trickery, this is Carlos Guastavino.

I recently posted a raving appreciation of his music (for guitar). I had no idea what he looked like !!
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Post by: Ken B on December 15, 2017, 07:09:15 AM
I recently posted a raving appreciation of his music (for guitar). I had no idea what he looked like !!
I have, and like, his complete piano music.
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Post by: Turner on December 17, 2017, 10:09:56 AM
I have a few of Guastavino´s songs, one CD with those only was sold however, due to some rather poor singing.
I believe he is quite a big name in the Spanish speaking world.
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Post by: André on December 17, 2017, 12:23:11 PM
(http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/assets/aa_image/320/5/1/d/8/51d89039011b6a3126b70cf83ad79c3403c709eb.jpg)

French or English ?
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 17, 2017, 12:25:32 PM
French or English ?

He’s English. It’s Thomas Ravenscroft.
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Post by: André on December 17, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
Googled again ?
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 17, 2017, 12:32:44 PM
Googled again ?

Yep.
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Post by: Florestan on December 17, 2017, 01:05:36 PM
Yep.

Do you google the hints or the picture itself?  ;D
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 17, 2017, 01:32:38 PM
Do you google the hints or the picture itself?  ;D

Save the photo and then upload it during an Google image search. :)
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Post by: Florestan on December 17, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
Save the photo and then upload it during an Google image search. :)

That's not quite kosher, my friend. Google the hints, if there are any. :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2017, 07:41:55 AM
That's not quite kosher, my friend. Google the hints, if there are any. :)

There’s no pleasing you, Andrei. First, you tell me that you use Google image search and that it’s ”just a game” and now you’re telling me that the very thing that you do yourself isn’t acceptable? ??? I say pick a stance and go with it.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2017, 07:44:19 AM
Anyway...my turn:

Who is this composer?
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Post by: Florestan on December 18, 2017, 07:54:24 AM
There’s no pleasing you, Andrei. First, you tell me that you use Google image search and that it’s ”just a game” and now you’re telling me that the very thing that you do yourself isn’t acceptable? ??? I say pick a stance and go with it.

But, John, my stance was absolutely clear from the start. There are two different things one can do: (1) google the picture itself directly, or (2) google the hints offered. In the few instances I did (1), I kept my mouth shut about who the composer is and let others guess him. When I guessed a composer it was always by doing (2). So there.  :)
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2017, 07:58:54 AM
But, John, my stance was absolutely clear from the start. There are two different things one can do: (1) google the picture itself directly, or (2) google the hints offered. In the few instances I did (1), I kept my mouth shut about who the composer is and let others guess him. When I guessed a composer it was always by doing (2). So there.  :)

Okay, well that’s good, but I’m still going to use Google image search and blurt out who the composer is every chance I get. :) I don’t really give a crap --- it’s a game. The best way to play this game is actually in-person and since we can’t do that, I’m going to use all the resources I can to get me the correct answer.
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Post by: kishnevi on December 18, 2017, 08:09:01 AM
Anyway...my turn:

Who is this composer?

Eugen Suchon
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2017, 08:10:47 AM
Eugen Suchon

Bingo! How’d you guess it so fast, Jeffrey?
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Post by: kishnevi on December 18, 2017, 08:11:59 AM
Used your rules >:D
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2017, 08:18:07 AM
Used your rules >:D

Good man! ;)
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Post by: Ken B on December 18, 2017, 10:12:58 AM
Best guess for this image: David del Tredici


I figured I'd skip the now superfluous step of posting an actual picture and just post the google answer.
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Post by: Ken B on December 18, 2017, 10:16:02 AM
OK, name the composer.
Hint: this is not the composer.

(http://www.ntva.no/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/omre_k_h.jpg)
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Post by: vandermolen on December 19, 2017, 01:40:38 AM
The only two I've got right are Howells and Ivanovs - as I recognised them and like their music.

Unlike the rest of you I do not hire a group of independent internet researchers to do my work for me.
 8)
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Post by: André on December 19, 2017, 05:09:49 AM
Neither do I. This game is dead. Adios.
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Post by: Mirror Image on December 19, 2017, 06:36:37 AM
Unlike the rest of you I do not hire a group of independent internet researchers to do my work for me.
 8)

Neither do I. This game is dead. Adios.

And this point was actually my point from the very beginning. You either know the composer in question or you do not. Relying on Google trickery to give you the answers is not ‘playing fair’ in my book. This is why I started using Google, because I felt that certain members here were not playing fairly, so I wanted to show them how doing what they were doing is not, again, playing fairly. It totally zaps the fun right out of the game.

Anyway, I’m with Andre --- this game is dead. Ciao everyone!
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Post by: kishnevi on December 19, 2017, 10:06:51 AM
The game has been a nice learning experience for me.  The problem comes only when the image is posted with no real hints to help.


Here's one.

The composer is depicted with the instrument with which he appeared as a concert performer in his teens, but the music for which he is celebrated is in a totally different field.

His birth name was not quite the one he used as an adult.

I saw no definite statement on the subject, but it's quite likely that his family knew that of Felix Mendelssohn, who was born a number of years after he was born.
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Post by: kishnevi on December 19, 2017, 10:08:13 AM
And a final hint

This was his mom.
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 19, 2017, 10:11:32 AM
And a final hint

This was his mom.

Quite a fetching young lady.
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Post by: Ken B on December 19, 2017, 10:14:27 AM
Quite a fetching young lady.

You need to guess my last *hint hint*
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Post by: ritter on December 20, 2017, 03:00:51 AM
The "likelihood" that his family knew that of Felix Mendelssohn immediately made me think of Giacomo Meyerbeer (né Yaakov Liebmann Beer) and, yes, the picture is of a young Meyerbeer...  :)

So, unless I am mistaken, I will post a picture now (pending Ken B's confirmation, but I have a busy afternoon ahead of me):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Maurice_Delage_1930_%281%29.jpg)

Hint: No, the picture was not taken in Madras...
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Post by: listener on December 24, 2017, 09:00:45 PM
... who had a magnificent ass.  (someone else)

I thought the big hint had been edited out but it and the age (51) remain.   A deletion and repost could solve that.   Under the cirumstances I won't reveal.   I have one work by the composer on record with Janet Baker singing.
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Post by: listener on December 30, 2017, 08:53:45 PM
The "likelihood" that his family knew that of Felix Mendelssohn immediately made me think of Giacomo Meyerbeer (né Yaakov Liebmann Beer) and, yes, the picture is of a young Meyerbeer...  :)

So, unless I am mistaken, I will post a picture now (pending Ken B's confirmation, but I have a busy afternoon ahead of me):

Hint: No, the picture was not taken in Madras...

Maurice Delage, taken in 1930