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Title: Haydn op.76
Post by: Mozart on October 20, 2007, 02:44:51 PM
Everyone must buy this, it has to be the best cd I have ever heard. Anyone know more about this string quartet?

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Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: FideLeo on October 20, 2007, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 20, 2007, 02:44:51 PM
Everyone must buy this, it has to be the best cd I have ever heard. Anyone know more about this string quartet?

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I have had it since it first came out!  Quatuor Mosaiques, despite of their French(ified) name, is largely an Austrian HIP group (the cellist, Christophe Coin, is French), consisting of first desk players from Nikolaus Harnoncourt's ensemble Concentus Musicus Wien.  They specialise in Viennese Classical repertories - Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert - but also records other music from the period: Boccherini, Hyacinthe Jardin etc. 
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Mark on October 20, 2007, 04:16:45 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. I thought I owned the Op. 76, but it's Ops. 71 and 74 that I've got. :)
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Mozart on October 20, 2007, 08:15:09 PM
Quote from: masolino on October 20, 2007, 04:09:02 PM
I have had it since it first came out!  Quatuor Mosaiques, despite of their French(ified) name, is largely an Austrian HIP group (the cellist, Christophe Coin, is French), consisting of first desk players from Nikolaus Harnoncourt's ensemble Concentus Musicus Wien.  They specialise in Viennese Classical repertories - Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert - but also records other music from the period: Boccherini, Hyacinthe Jardin etc. 

They are amazing, do you know if they happened to have done Mozart's quintets (with a 5th guy?), I would love to see if they can compete with my Salomon quartet recording.

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Thanks for the heads-up. I thought I owned the Op. 76, but it's Ops. 71 and 74 that I've got. Smiley

Buy it :) I'll put a movement up on youtube so you can check it out.
Damn I ripped the cd as m4a...and windows movie maker doesn't support the filetype...
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Mozart on October 20, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/G90xWkeM7X0
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: FideLeo on October 21, 2007, 12:12:13 AM
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 20, 2007, 08:15:09 PM
They are amazing, do you know if they happened to have done Mozart's quintets (with a 5th guy?), I would love to see if they can compete with my Salomon quartet recording.

They have recorded Mozart's Clarinet Quintet (w/Wolfgang Meyer) but not the ones for strings as far as I know.   In HIP Mozart string quintets, I have had all four late ones recorded by Hausmusik London (Virgin/EMI), but they are eclipsed in K. 515 and 516 by L'Archibudelli (sony) and especially by Ensemble 415 (harmonia mundi, lst violin: Chiara Banchini)   
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Peregrine on October 21, 2007, 03:22:24 AM
I never got on with this ensemble, found their playing to be fussy and lethargic. Exceptionally well-recorded though...
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Lethevich on October 21, 2007, 05:43:29 AM
I am also a QM fan, even in the op.76 where there is a lot of competition. Their slow-ish tempos are quite refreshing for this style, and they are so amazingly refined. The #2 quartet in this set is my favourite by them, the way the main theme is played would make Mozart cry with joy (it sure as hell "flows like oil" :D).
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Kullervo on October 21, 2007, 06:04:49 AM
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 20, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/G90xWkeM7X0

Thanks, I realize I need to buy this ASAP.

P.S. The girl doesn't spin, does that mean I am mindless?  :(
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Mozart on October 21, 2007, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: Corey on October 21, 2007, 06:04:49 AM
Thanks, I realize I need to buy this ASAP.

P.S. The girl doesn't spin, does that mean I am mindless?  :(


Which foot is on the ground?
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: val on October 22, 2007, 12:16:27 AM
QuoteHandelHooligan
Everyone must buy this, it has to be the best cd I have ever heard. Anyone know more about this string quartet?


I have this version, and it is very good, perhaps the best. They recorded other Quartets from Haydn, in special the opus 20 and 77. I don't like them very much in the opus 33.


Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: head-case on October 22, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: val on October 22, 2007, 12:16:27 AM



I have this version, and it is very good, perhaps the best. They recorded other Quartets from Haydn, in special the opus 20 and 77. I don't like them very much in the opus 33.



What's different in the Opus 33?
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: val on October 23, 2007, 01:12:56 AM
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What's different in the Opus 33?


In the opus 33 I prefer a version with more dynamic and contrasts. It is one of the most light cycles of Haydn's Quartets. I prefer the Lindsays or even the Weller. As an example: the first theme of the opus 33/3 has much more exuberance with the Lindsays and seems a little pale with the Mosaiques, too heavy.
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: head-case on October 23, 2007, 08:37:34 AM
Quote from: val on October 23, 2007, 01:12:56 AM

In the opus 33 I prefer a version with more dynamic and contrasts. It is one of the most light cycles of Haydn's Quartets. I prefer the Lindsays or even the Weller. As an example: the first theme of the opus 33/3 has much more exuberance with the Lindsays and seems a little pale with the Mosaiques, too heavy.
Well yes, but you did not answer my question.  You are saying there is another recording of Op 33 that you like better, what I was asking is whether the M. quartet performances of Op 33 are noticeably different than their other Haydn recordings.
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: val on October 24, 2007, 12:28:29 AM
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Well yes, but you did not answer my question.  You are saying there is another recording of Op 33 that you like better, what I was asking is whether the M. quartet performances of Op 33 are noticeably different than their other Haydn recordings.

No, the Mosaiques remain the same. But the works of the opus 33 are different. As I said, they are light, more contrasted. The opus 20 is a work still under the influence of the aesthetic of the Sturm und Drang, and the two last opus are already turned to the 19th century, with a greater density of the sound. 
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: head-case on October 24, 2007, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: val on October 24, 2007, 12:28:29 AM
No, the Mosaiques remain the same. But the works of the opus 33 are different. As I said, they are light, more contrasted. The opus 20 is a work still under the influence of the aesthetic of the Sturm und Drang, and the two last opus are already turned to the 19th century, with a greater density of the sound. 
I see, thanks.
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: BachQ on October 24, 2007, 11:31:27 AM
String Quartet Op. 76 N. 2 in D minor ("Fifths") is one of my faves .......  0:)
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: BorisG on October 24, 2007, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: val on October 24, 2007, 12:28:29 AM
No, the Mosaiques remain the same. But the works of the opus 33 are different. As I said, they are light, more contrasted. The opus 20 is a work still under the influence of the aesthetic of the Sturm und Drang, and the two last opus are already turned to the 19th century, with a greater density of the sound. 

In Op. 33, I prefer the Coull's less raw intonation and approach.
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on September 05, 2018, 08:35:17 AM
After 11 years, it's time to revive this one.

I've been satisfied with the Kodaly, but hearing the Pacifica Quartet play 76/1 a couple weeks ago made me curious about other versions. Recommendations?
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: amw on September 05, 2018, 11:25:08 AM
Takács Quartet (Decca) probably the best, Doric Quartet (Chandos) an alternative choice
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: TheGSMoeller on September 05, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
For 76 I like The Lindsays and Buchberger Quartet . I haven't heard the Mosaiques recording of 76, but I have heard their excellent 20, 33 & 77 so I'm sure 76 is just as good.

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Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on September 05, 2018, 12:19:06 PM
Some specifics:

1. Has anyone heard the Fine Arts Qt. recording of this on Vox (a 3-LP VoxBox)? I've read some very laudatory reviews of it. Apparently it is not available on CD, but that's not a problem for me.

2. Any thoughts on the Tokyo (which seems to be easily available) or Alban Berg?
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Daverz on September 05, 2018, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on September 05, 2018, 12:19:06 PM
Some specifics:

1. Has anyone heard the Fine Arts Qt. recording of this on Vox (a 3-LP VoxBox)? I've read some very laudatory reviews of it. Apparently it is not available on CD, but that's not a problem for me.

2. Any thoughts on the Tokyo (which seems to be easily available) or Alban Berg?

I highly recommend the combined Vox set with the Dekany and Fine Arts Quartets (MP3 only).  I got it for $3, but it's still worth it at $10.

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Also the Mosaiques (non-aggressive HIP), Panocha and Carmina Quartets.

Haven't heard the Tokyo, but they did an excellent box of Op. 50.
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on September 05, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Daverz on September 05, 2018, 01:52:43 PM
I highly recommend the combined Vox set with the Dekany and Fine Arts Quartets (MP3 only).  I got it for $3, but it's still worth it at $10.

I managed to find bits & pieces of the FAQ Op. 76 on YouTube. Good stuff indeed.

That said - I keep getting the impression that any decent 4tet can produce a good account of these. The music seems to be sort of foolproof.
Title: Re: Haydn op.76
Post by: alkan on September 11, 2018, 01:54:33 PM
I have the Mosaiques Op. 76 and I enjoy their interpretation very much.

But a couple of days ago on the radio I heard a recording of the Alban Berg quartet playing the "fifths" quartet.     I must say it was a much more powerful and exciting performance.      I was very impressed ....