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Title: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: CRCulver on December 22, 2008, 06:51:45 AM
I've been listening a lot to the work of Horatiu Radulescu lately, and though he isn't my favourite composer, he does fulfill all my wants as a fan of contemporary repertoire. On the one hand, his work is absolutely chock-full of eggheaded theory, but on the other hand it's all rooted in a coherent soundworld based on concrete facts of acoustics. To boot, he presents his own mystical philosophy influenced by these spectral explorations, though much easier to swallow than Stockhausen's (but more exhuberant than Per Norgard's).

It's the holiday season, so I'd especially recommend his Piano Concerto. I've reviewed the CPO recording (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DHSP?ie=UTF8&tag=3636363-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=B00000DHSP) today on Amazon. But the Avant-Garde Project's torrent of earlier (and much more uncompromising) works for flute also make a great introduction.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: UB on December 22, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
I've been listening a lot to the work of Horatiu Radulescu lately, and though he isn't my favourite composer, he does fulfill all my wants as a fan of contemporary repertoire. On the one hand, his work is absolutely chock-full of eggheaded theory, but on the other hand it's all rooted in a coherent soundworld based on concrete facts of acoustics. To boot, he presents his own mystical philosophy influenced by these spectral explorations, though much easier to swallow than Stockhausen's (but more exhuberant than Per Norgard's).

It's the holiday season, so I'd especially recommend his Piano Concerto. I've reviewed the CPO recording (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DHSP?ie=UTF8&tag=3636363-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=B00000DHSP) today on Amazon. But the Avant-Garde Project's torrent of earlier (and much more uncompromising) works for flute also make a great introduction.

I think you are correct about suggesting his other works as an introduction to the majority of Radulescu's music. If someone starts with the Piano Concerto they will not hear the kind of sound world that is found in most of his other works. I count his piano sonatas and quartets among my favorite works by this very interesting Hungarian composer.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: CRCulver on December 22, 2008, 10:49:52 AM
Hungarian?
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: snyprrr on April 23, 2009, 08:56:16 AM
I'm curious if you've heard the SQ No.4 Infinite to be cannot be Infinite Op.33 (w.tape), which seeks to imitate a 128 string viol de gamba? Arditti on RZeditions.

Also, Arditti's violist Garth Knox plays Das Andere on an all spectral cd.

And there is a SQ No.2, Practicing Eternity, unrecorded.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: some guy on April 23, 2009, 08:52:16 PM
The Knox CD includes pieces for sound icon, too, which are pretty nice, but nothing so good as that LP with Clepsydra and Astray. That's not easy to find, but fortunately the Avant Garde Project (#111) has that available.

That wasn't my first (Inner Time II for seven clarinets was), but it was the first to really grab me.

(Inner Time II is wildly gorgeous, just by the way.)
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: springrite on April 23, 2009, 11:13:48 PM
If someone starts with the Piano Concerto they will not hear the kind of sound world that is found in most of his other works.

Maybe that is my problem? The only CD I have is of the piano concerto, and I had a hard time with that before giving up (and wait a couple of year before I tackle it again.)
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: snyprrr on April 20, 2012, 06:27:26 PM
Intimate Rituals: Music for Viola(s)

I give this cd my Highest Spectral Recommendation:

http://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Rituals-Horatiu-Radulescu/dp/B000KEG8P2/ref=sr_1_8?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1334976460&sr=1-8

Four works by Radulescu, two for tuned viola, one for two violas, and one for viola and two pianos played as 'sound icons' (which gives the really cool impression of sympathetic strings) add up to one of the most hypnotic hours ever!

Das Andere is for all intents Radulescu's 'Hit', and is an 18min. spectral workout on viola that is quite simply all consuming. The same goes for the much shorter Lux animae II. There is certainly 'Truth' here, that's for sure... as a description I'll just say that I'm sure you'll find it as cool as you expect. I think this what it's all about.

This goes for Intimate Rituals in spades. With the inclusion of the two pianos, the overall effect is of a cosmic/universal raga... I suppose it's the alap that is the introduction, without the tabla? The piano string make the best drones here.

The sore thumb is Agnus Dei for two violas. Here the agenda is much different, with normally played notes, that sounds to me like a combination of late melodic Stockhausen and Goeyvaarts,... much more Dutch, haha. There is also, I think, a touch of Part here, as there is in so much these days (not a bad thing). Either way, you may find it 'beautiful', but it's totally different than the strictly spectral works. This work bases its spectralism on the notes. I liked it once the shock wore off.


Basically, this is THE Radulescu disc. I haven't yet warmed to the massive SQ for the Ardittis, and this disc, as the title implies, gives us HR's vision in a perfectly small, yet equally massive, setting. Frankly, it's quite the meditational music.

Buy It Now! ;)
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: raduneo on April 21, 2012, 08:18:28 AM
I think you are correct about suggesting his other works as an introduction to the majority of Radulescu's music. If someone starts with the Piano Concerto they will not hear the kind of sound world that is found in most of his other works. I count his piano sonatas and quartets among my favorite works by this very interesting Hungarian composer.

Hungarian??? I beg your pardon? :O He's Romanian every bit as I am! It's a Romanian name all the way. :)

 "Horaţiu Rădulescu (Romanian pronunciation: [hoˈratsiu rəduˈlesku]; January 7, 1942 – September 25, 2008) was a Romanian-French composer, best known for the spectral technique of composition." (Wikipedia)

I have some of his works, such as his Piano Concerto, but I have not listened to it extensively yet.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: snyprrr on April 22, 2012, 08:49:53 AM
Intimate Rituals: Music for Viola(s)

I give this cd my Highest Spectral Recommendation:

http://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Rituals-Horatiu-Radulescu/dp/B000KEG8P2/ref=sr_1_8?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1334976460&sr=1-8

Four works by Radulescu, two for tuned viola, one for two violas, and one for viola and two pianos played as 'sound icons' (which gives the really cool impression of sympathetic strings) add up to one of the most hypnotic hours ever!

Das Andere is for all intents Radulescu's 'Hit', and is an 18min. spectral workout on viola that is quite simply all consuming. The same goes for the much shorter Lux animae II. There is certainly 'Truth' here, that's for sure... as a description I'll just say that I'm sure you'll find it as cool as you expect. I think this what it's all about.

This goes for Intimate Rituals in spades. With the inclusion of the two pianos, the overall effect is of a cosmic/universal raga... I suppose it's the alap that is the introduction, without the tabla? The piano string make the best drones here.

The sore thumb is Agnus Dei for two violas. Here the agenda is much different, with normally played notes, that sounds to me like a combination of late melodic Stockhausen and Goeyvaarts,... much more Dutch, haha. There is also, I think, a touch of Part here, as there is in so much these days (not a bad thing). Either way, you may find it 'beautiful', but it's totally different than the strictly spectral works. This work bases its spectralism on the notes. I liked it once the shock wore off.


Basically, this is THE Radulescu disc. I haven't yet warmed to the massive SQ for the Ardittis, and this disc, as the title implies, gives us HR's vision in a perfectly small, yet equally massive, setting. Frankly, it's quite the meditational music.

Buy It Now! ;)

Anyone?
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: Lethevich on April 22, 2012, 09:03:05 AM
Anyone?

I followed your rec for Intimate Rituals (the Sub Rosa recording), but I haven't received it yet.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: snyprrr on April 23, 2012, 05:16:05 AM
I followed your rec for Intimate Rituals (the Sub Rosa recording), but I haven't received it yet.

I'm flattered! :-* Cool! ;) I'm sure you'll be intrigued. I think one of the pieces is 'live' on YT.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: 7/4 on August 04, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
That wasn't my first (Inner Time II for seven clarinets was), but it was the first to really grab me.

(Inner Time II is wildly gorgeous, just by the way.)

Blew my mind. I'm also pretty thrilled with String Quartets 4 & 5. Five is on utube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjIik5_Yt8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjIik5_Yt8)

Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: snyprrr on August 05, 2013, 06:02:29 AM
I followed your rec for Intimate Rituals (the Sub Rosa recording), but I haven't received it yet.


Any word yet???? ;D
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: amw on October 17, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Along with a fairly large collection of Radulescu on record (much of which, however, is hard to find "legitimately" these days), this blog (http://propheticsounds.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/horatiu-radulescu.html) has also linked to the only recordings of Radulescu's Third and Sixth String Quartets I've yet come across.

They're both interesting works, in different ways; I encourage any interested parties to have a listen.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: snyprrr on October 21, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
I followed your rec for Intimate Rituals (the Sub Rosa recording), but I haven't received it yet.

I'm still hawking that viola disc. Did you get it? To anyone new to Radulescu, I think this might be the best introduction. The playing is out of this world, and the sonic impact is simply breathtaking.

BuyItNow!
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: HenselFlaeder on October 23, 2013, 07:59:14 AM
I'm still hawking that viola disc. Did you get it? To anyone new to Radulescu, I think this might be the best introduction. The playing is out of this world, and the sonic impact is simply breathtaking.

BuyItNow!

I too highly recommend that viola disc. Too wonderful
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: edward on October 24, 2013, 05:58:37 AM
Along with a fairly large collection of Radulescu on record (much of which, however, is hard to find "legitimately" these days), this blog (http://propheticsounds.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/horatiu-radulescu.html) has also linked to the only recordings of Radulescu's Third and Sixth String Quartets I've yet come across.

They're both interesting works, in different ways; I encourage any interested parties to have a listen.
This is great, thanks. I think I have everything by Radulescu that's ever appeared on a commercial CD, but these works are entirely new to me.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: 7/4 on January 07, 2014, 02:28:06 PM
Today is Horațiu Rădulescus birthday. Wiki says he would have been 66.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: Mandryka on September 05, 2016, 10:32:47 PM

(http://www.ortwin-stuermer.de/discs/large_1.jpg)


Interesting music,  Otwin Stürmer playing Radulescu sonatas. The piano sounds a bit cold, hard and monochrome to me, I think that's a weakness. I don't suppose there's any other way to hear them.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: Scion7 on September 06, 2016, 01:03:20 AM
partial works list - need to check out this composer

orchestringa and large ens:
Taaroa, op.7, orchestringa, 1969 
Everlasting Longings, op.13a, 24 strings, 1970 
A doini, op.24, 17 players with sound icons, 1974 
Lamento di Gesu, op.23, 1975 
Wild Incantesimo, op.17b, 9 orchestra, 1978 
Thirteen Dreams Ago, op.26, 33 strings, 1978 
Outer Time, op.42, 23 fl, 1980, arr. viola, cello, double-bass, 1986, arr. percussion, 1989, arr. 2 piano, 1990, arr. 4 tpt, 4 trbn, 1992 
Iubiri, op.43, 18 players, 1981  Byzantine Prayer, op.74, 40 flutes, 1988  Angolo divino, op.87, 1994  The Quest (piano Concerto), op.90, 1996

Other inst:
Credo, op.10, 9 vc, 1969 
Flood for the Eternal's Origins, op.11, global sound sources, 1970, perf. 1972 
Capricorn's Nostalgic Crickets, op.16h, 7 wind, 1972 
‘infinite to be cannot be infinite, infinite anti-be could be infinite’ (string Qt no.4), op.33, (string qt, tape)/string qt, 1976–87 
Das Andere, op.49, violin/viola/cello/double-bass, 1984 
Unde incotro, op.55, 11 strings, 1984 
Dizzy Divinity I, op.59, fl, 1985 
‘being and non-being create each other’ (Sonata no.2), op.82, piano, 1991 
‘before the universe was born’ (string Qt no.5), op.98, 1993 
‘like a well … older than God’ (Sonata no.4), op.92, piano, 1993 
‘practising eternity’ (string Qt no.6), op.91, 1993 
‘animae morte carent’, op.85, oboe d'amore, piano, 1995 
l’exil à l'intérieur, op.98, cello, piano, 1997

Choral:
Doruind, op.27, 48vv, 1976 
Do Emerge Ultimate Silence, op.30, 34 children's vv, 34 bowed monochords, 1984 
Vetrata, op.84, chorus, 3 sound icons, 1992
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: nathanb on September 06, 2016, 05:19:27 AM
(http://www.ortwin-stuermer.de/discs/large_1.jpg)


Interesting music,  Otwin Stürmer playing Radulescu sonatas. The piano sounds a bit cold, hard and monochrome to me, I think that's a weakness. I don't suppose there's any other way to hear them.

There are other recordings of a couple of them, but still with Ortwin Stürmer, so they may have the same problems.

Otherwise, you'll obviously want this disc, which at least has one of the sonatas you seek. It's amazing and, based on the title, hopefully one of three or four.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZPZd106jL._SS500.jpg)
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: Mandryka on September 08, 2016, 12:15:17 AM
There are other recordings of a couple of them, but still with Ortwin Stürmer, so they may have the same problems.

Otherwise, you'll obviously want this disc, which at least has one of the sonatas you seek. It's amazing and, based on the title, hopefully one of three or four.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZPZd106jL._SS500.jpg)

Yes thanks, it's strange to hear echoes of something, Bartok maybe, maybe Messiaen,  in the second sonata. Clarke makes an interesting percussive sound, glockenspiel like at times, or woodblocks, I like that very much (makes me think of Annie Fischer a bit) It's very cool music.

I haven't had a chance to listen to the quartet yet.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: schnittkease on July 02, 2018, 11:37:57 AM
Does anyone know if there's been a second installment in the Piano Sonatas & String Quartets series? We need more Rădulescu!
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: CRCulver on July 03, 2018, 12:31:46 AM
Does anyone know if there's been a second installment in the Piano Sonatas & String Quartets series? We need more Rădulescu!

The JACK Quartet lost half of its members in the meantime. That might have thrown a spanner into plans to further record. Also, Mode has been a knife’s edge financially since forever, and so it might not be able to release anything new unless at a particularly opportune moment money-wise.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: schnittkease on July 04, 2018, 08:04:28 AM
Yikes!
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: amw on July 07, 2018, 10:48:28 PM
Mode new releases seem to be still coming, but very slowly. I'd expect further volumes but not for a while.

The JACK Quartet is also doing fine, at least if their instagram feed is any indication, although still adjusting to the personnel changes.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: CRCulver on September 01, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
The NEOS label has announced (https://neos-music.com/?language=english&page=output.php%3Ftemplate%3Denglish-album-details.php%26content%3DAlben/11805-07.php) a three-SACD set of Horatiu Radulescu’s complete piano works.

The recording of the Piano Concerto here is presumably the old CPO recording from the 1990s reissued. The same might be true of the Lao Tzu Sonatas. That makes the SACD-ness of this release problematic. I hope that NEOS simply hasn’t added surround sound to the old recording with artificial means, like BIS’s “upsampling” on that label’s reissues of its earlier BACH cantata volumes.
Title: Re: Radulescu's religious rapture
Post by: schnittkease on September 04, 2018, 02:41:02 PM
The NEOS label has announced (https://neos-music.com/?language=english&page=output.php%3Ftemplate%3Denglish-album-details.php%26content%3DAlben/11805-07.php) a three-SACD set of Horatiu Radulescu’s complete piano works.

The recording of the Piano Concerto here is presumably the old CPO recording from the 1990s reissued. The same might be true of the Lao Tzu Sonatas. That makes the SACD-ness of this release problematic. I hope that NEOS simply hasn’t added surround sound to the old recording with artificial means, like BIS’s “upsampling” on that label’s reissues of its earlier BACH cantata volumes.

Big thumbs up!  It'll be interesting to see how Stürmer's interpretations of nos. 2 & 5 compare to Clarke's superb readings.