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Title: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 12:48:52 AM
They seem hard to come by.

What are some?

Enlighten me! (in other words, just tell me what I want to know that I'm too lazy to look up for myself).  :P
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: some guy on October 13, 2015, 01:16:38 AM
The century's only 15, COAG, give it some time. ;D

But perhaps more apt is that pieces for piano and orchestra aren't the kind of thing folks are doing any more, much. That's a possibility, too. With its corollary, that the people who are doing them are likelier than not to be doing fairly traditional stuff. Nothing necessary about it; just a likelihood.

Here's something to tide you over until other members get going with recommendations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-QV2jiSUc
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 01:31:55 AM
That electroacoustic piano piece is awesome, I'm enjoying it at the moment! :)

But what you say about works for piano and orchestra being not 'the kind of thing folks are doing any more' seems to strike me as a rather odd thing to say, as odd as the 'belief' that some people seem to have that Shostakovich was the last great symphonist and the symphony is dead.

With the YouTube link you showed me a piano work like none I have heard before, and I don't think it would really be so difficult to imagine that somewhere there would be piano concertos (like Furrer's for example) and other works for piano and orchestra which follow the idiosyncrasies of any contemporary composer, 'traditional' (as you say) or not.

Or...perhaps the time has come for piano concertos to die and all I'm doing is wishing for what is essentially an anachronism. :laugh:
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ritter on October 13, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
May I suggest this? Peter Eötvös's CAP-KO (2006).

CAP-KO is an acronym for "Concerto for Acoustic Piano, Keyboard, and Orchestra"

https://www.youtube.com/v/IKMaL-Y6PQU
https://www.youtube.com/v/jXVPy04D5Nw
https://www.youtube.com/v/HzhqzY-qt-k

More information here (http://eotvospeter.com/index.php?node=compositions&id=17&function=&targetpage=texts&current_menu=composition_studio).
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: amw on October 13, 2015, 03:13:09 AM
Hardly any contemporary composers get orchestra commissions—orchestras have no money and the corporate boards that run them are convinced audiences won't respond to anything harder than Britten. So you won't find a lot, except from people who are already famous. (e.g. Elliott Carter wrote quite a few piano-and-orchestra pieces in the 21st century, although stylistically they sit with the rest of his music around 1950; Georg Friedrich Haas has a nice piece for three pianos tuned in sixth-tones and orchestra, limited approximations; I suppose there's Adès if you like that kind of thing; also Hans Abrahamsen, Poul Ruders (no. 2?), Unsuk Chin & a few others. I'm not sure how many of these are strictly 21st century. I know Finnissy's concertos aren't, or any of the Spanish crew's (de Pablo & Halffter, both quite good))
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ritter on October 13, 2015, 05:40:40 AM
Hardly any contemporary composers get orchestra commissions—orchestras have no money and the corporate boards that run them are convinced audiences won't respond to anything harder than Britten. So you won't find a lot, except from people who are already famous. (e.g. Elliott Carter wrote quite a few piano-and-orchestra pieces in the 21st century, although stylistically they sit with the rest of his music around 1950; Georg Friedrich Haas has a nice piece for three pianos tuned in sixth-tones and orchestra, limited approximations; I suppose there's Adès if you like that kind of thing; also Hans Abrahamsen, Poul Ruders (no. 2?), Unsuk Chin & a few others. I'm not sure how many of these are strictly 21st century. I know Finnissy's concertos aren't, or any of the Spanish crew's (de Pablo & Halffter, both quite good))
Concerning Cristóbal Hallfter, AFAIK he has written nothing specifically for piano and orchestra since his Concerto from 1987-88. I'm not that much of a fan of Luis de Pablo (and hence much less familiar with his output), but his only post-2000 work for something resembling the "piano + orchestra" combination I have seen listed is Con alcune licenze for piano and not one but two ensembles (I don't know the piece).

Elliott Carter, as you rightly point out, amw, wrote a string of "pocket piano concertos" (for lack of a better term) in the 21st century: AFAIK, Conversations, Dialogues, Dialogues II, Interventions, and Two Controversies and a Conversation). Interventions (which I saw live in Berlin in--IIRC--2008 with Barenboim and Boulez) sounded very typical of Carter's Spätstil, and was IMHO a far cry from the composer's 1950s style (or his Piano concerto from the mid 1960s).
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Mirror Image on October 13, 2015, 06:09:39 AM
Don't forget about Beat Furrer's Piano Concerto:

https://www.youtube.com/v/-Au5UMjsEnE
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: amw on October 13, 2015, 06:19:43 AM
I know, that's why I said they aren't 21st century ;)

I'm not sure why but in spite of the amount of music Carter wrote it feels like he was a fairly slow developer. Like there's very little 'change' between the late 50s (String Quartet No. 2, etc) and the mid 80s (Penthode, etc). The 'late style' that he started around 1990ish does mark a new phase, but one that doesn't sound particularly 'new' if that makes sense? Like Dialogues (his finest piano+orchestra work imo) sounds like it could've been written four or five years after the Piano Concerto, instead of 35ish. Idk. It's late and I'm rambling.

Oh and there's Rebecca Saunders's miniata for piano, accordion, orchestra and voices, and Wolfgang Mitterer's Concerto for piano, electronics and orchestra, both of which are superb. And Rolf Riehm's Wer sind diese Kinder which is... unusual, but, Rolf Riehm. Not up to the level of Die Tränen des Gletschers as far as I recall, but I imagine it should repay listening.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Maestro267 on October 13, 2015, 06:20:45 AM
Krzysztof Penderecki's Piano Concerto ("Resurrection") was written in 2002 (rev. 2007), and it's a fine work imho. The chorale which inspired the concerto's subtitle was written in the aftermath of 9/11.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ritter on October 13, 2015, 06:33:38 AM
I know, that's why I said they aren't 21st century ;)

I'm not sure why but in spite of the amount of music Carter wrote it feels like he was a fairly slow developer. Like there's very little 'change' between the late 50s (String Quartet No. 2, etc) and the mid 80s (Penthode, etc). The 'late style' that he started around 1990ish does mark a new phase, but one that doesn't sound particularly 'new' if that makes sense? Like Dialogues (his finest piano+orchestra work imo) sounds like it could've been written four or five years after the Piano Concerto, instead of 35ish. Idk. It's late and I'm rambling.

Oh and there's Rebecca Saunders's miniata for piano, accordion, orchestra and voices, and Wolfgang Mitterer's Concerto for piano, electronics and orchestra, both of which are superb.
Re the Spaniards, you're right, and I misread: I thought somehow you weren't sure whether they were 21st century or not. Apologies!  :-[

As for Carter, I must relisten to the Piano concerto--haven't done so in ages--, but do think there is a lightness of touch, a playfullness, that starts to appear in the mid 1980's (yep, Penthode can be seen as a milestone, and so can the Oboe concerto IMHO) and that is absent from the Piano concerto (a much sterner piece, and one that still sounds "post-WWII"--if that means anything at all).

Well, you've given me a cue for some "programatic listening" :D. Carter's PC followd by Dialogues: what do they have in common, what sets them apart?  ;)

Have a good night's rest! (it's mid-afternnon here in Spain)..
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ChamberNut on October 13, 2015, 06:45:56 AM
Krzysztof Penderecki's Piano Concerto ("Resurrection") was written in 2002 (rev. 2007), and it's a fine work imho. The chorale which inspired the concerto's subtitle was written in the aftermath of 9/11.

Hmm, I'll have to explore this one.  I love Penderecki's music.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
Thanks for these! I am a big fan of Elliott Carter (I'm currently playing a piece of his actually) but I haven't really explored much of his 21st century music beyond chamber and solo works. I'll definitely get to those soon. ;)
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 13, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Thanks for these! I am a big fan of Elliott Carter (I'm currently playing a piece of his actually) but I haven't really explored much of his 21st century music beyond chamber and solo works. I'll definitely get to those soon. ;)

What are you playing of Carter's? That's very challenging stuff.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
What are you playing of Carter's? That's very challenging stuff.

Shard. Starobin has yet to be surpassed in interpretation (but I'm trying!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u77S1_oaBGI

Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 13, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
Shard. Starobin has yet to be surpassed in interpretation (but I'm trying!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u77S1_oaBGI

So you're a guitarist. Given the thread, I thought you were working on the Night Fantasies or Piano Sonata or something like that.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: springrite on October 13, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
Esa-Pekka Salonen.

Not just the piano concerto, but he will be likely one of the top top composers of this century.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 13, 2015, 04:52:19 PM
Esa-Pekka Salonen.

Not just the piano concerto, but he will be likely one of the top top composers of this century.

My dear fellow, we've got 85 years to go.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 04:55:18 PM
So you're a guitarist. Given the thread, I thought you were working on the Night Fantasies or Piano Sonata or something like that.

I like a lotta music ;)
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: listener on October 13, 2015, 09:53:11 PM
coming up in a couple of weeks Poul RUDERS Piano Concerto 3 /Paganini Variations, a re-write of his guitar concerto, will be premiered by  Anne-Marie McDermott and the Vancouver Symphony.  Program notes are already on line at http://www.vancouversymphony.ca/concert/notes/15MWG02/
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 30, 2015, 11:13:09 AM
My dear fellow, we've got 85 years to go.

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Turner on October 30, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Some of the more interesting examples:

Simon Steen Andersen: Piano Concerto, one of the more quirky recent ones (2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Zt6vgvSMo

Luca Francesconi: Piano Concerto no.2 (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eege1suTTMA

Hans Abrahamsen: Piano Concerto (2000) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdX1zDqczs8

Wojciech Kilar: Piano Concerto no.2 (2011) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro-qrKbyjJU

Livia Teodorescu Ciocanea: Lebenskraft Concerto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Xuotz4TTs

Frederic Rzewski: Piano Concerto (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Y7GWZVsl0

Kevin Volans: Piano Concerto 3 (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAsc3zWICQ

Harrison Birtwistle: Responses (2014) excerpts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkkBpRZpEXM

Magnus Lindberg: Piano Concerto no.2 (2011) http://www.boosey.com/cr/news/Lindberg-s-Piano-Concerto-No-2-reviews-from-premiere/100015

Kalevi Aho: Piano Concerto no.2 for piano & strings (2002) CD http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/02/aho-symphony-no-13-cd-review

(lots of other very neo-romantic ones etc., which can found on you-tube)



 
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Brewski on October 30, 2015, 02:58:58 PM
Some of the more interesting examples:

Simon Steen Andersen: Piano Concerto, one of the more interesting recent ones (2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Zt6vgvSMo

Luca Francesconi: Piano Concerto no.2 (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eege1suTTMA

Hans Abrahamsen: Piano Concerto (2000) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdX1zDqczs8

Wojciech Kilar: Piano Concerto no.2 (2011) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro-qrKbyjJU

Livia Teodorescu Ciocanea: Lebenskraft Concerto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Xuotz4TTs

Frederic Rzewski: Piano Concerto (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Y7GWZVsl0

Kevin Volans: Piano Concerto 3 (2012) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAsc3zWICQ

Harrison Birtwistle: Responses (2014) excerpts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkkBpRZpEXM

Magnus Lindberg: Piano Concerto no.2 (2011) http://www.boosey.com/cr/news/Lindberg-s-Piano-Concerto-No-2-reviews-from-premiere/100015

Kalevi Aho: Piano Concerto no.2 for piano & strings (2002) CD http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/02/aho-symphony-no-13-cd-review

(lots of other very neo-romantic ones etc., which can found on you-tube)

A great list, and an excellent first post. Welcome to GMG.

--Bruce
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 31, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
Fantastic list, Turner! Some of those I know but I've overlooked it seems...many new things to explore though!
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Monsieur Croche on January 04, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
Here is the already mentioned Frederic Rzewski: Piano Concerto [the piece starts at the two minute, thirty second mark.]
Frederic Rzewski: Piano Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Y7GWZVsl0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

...adding to this categorical list:

Kevin Volans:
Atlantic Crossing (pretty certain this dates within the 21st century)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AQ3GEeTVc

...has already been mentioned... his Piano Concerto No. 3 (2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAsc3zWICQ

Volans' Concerto for Piano and Wind Instruments, Piano Concerto No. 1 (1995) is imho a stunning piece and very worthwhile. There is one recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOyKR9CjuzE
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: CRMS on January 04, 2016, 08:40:55 PM
James MacMillan has written two since 2001.  The 2nd (2003) was for a New York City Ballet commission choreographed by Christopher Wheeldon and is for string orchestra.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 04, 2016, 08:41:55 PM
Here is the already mentioned Frederic Rzewski: Piano Concerto [the piece starts at the two minute, thirty second mark.]
Frederic Rzewski: Piano Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Y7GWZVsl0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

...adding to this categorical list:

Kevin Volans:
Atlantic Crossing (pretty certain this dates within the 21st century)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AQ3GEeTVc

...has already been mentioned... his Piano Concerto No. 3 (2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAsc3zWICQ

Volans' Concerto for Piano and Wind Instruments, Piano Concerto No. 1 (1995) is imho a stunning piece and very worthwhile. There is one recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOyKR9CjuzE
Thanks! I haven't heard of Kevin Volans before. :)
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Monsieur Croche on January 04, 2016, 09:09:39 PM
This piece is pretty well-known already, but I think it was overlooked here because it is a concertante work not named 'concerto,' which means it is a concerto in all but name, lol.

Thomas Adès ~ In Seven Days for piano, video-installation and orchestra [2008]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2B4KOGyTTk
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 04, 2016, 09:57:34 PM
This piece is pretty well-known already, but I think it was overlooked here because it is a concertante work not named 'concerto,' which means it is a concerto in all but name, lol.

 "In Seven Days" for piano, video-installation and orchestra [2008]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2B4KOGyTTk
I was actually listening to that quite a lot when I created this thread...I guess I forgot to include it :laugh:
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on June 24, 2017, 05:50:28 AM
I can't believe I did not mention this ealier:

https://www.youtube.com/v/P84nx_W32zs
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: Toccata&Fugue on June 24, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
Jorg Widman's “Trauermarsch” composed for Yefim Bronfman and premiered in 2014. I heard the last 10 minutes or so on the radio in a live recording with the San Francisco Symphony--a very dark and interesting piece.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on June 29, 2017, 07:14:43 PM
Jorg Widman's “Trauermarsch” composed for Yefim Bronfman and premiered in 2014. I heard the last 10 minutes or so on the radio in a live recording with the San Francisco Symphony--a very dark and interesting piece.
Widman is a cool composer, ought to check this out. :)
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Post by: schnittkease on June 30, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
Christophe Bertrand: Vertigo (2006-7) for 2 piano and orchestra

https://www.youtube.com/v/unp0spwY6Ww

Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: pjme on July 02, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
From Europe:

Louis Andriessen: Haags hakkûh for two piano's and large ensemble (2008) : https://youtu.be/HAum1WCgNfQ

Samuel Sighicelli: To be reconstructed (2010) for piano and orchestra : https://youtu.be/6GwhOVLnKRg

Philippe Manoury : Echo-Daimónon, pour piano, électronique et grand orchestre (2011-2012) : https://youtu.be/wIY5djIHG5o

Nicola Campogrande, "R (Un ritratto per pianoforte e orchestra)" (2012): https://youtu.be/2FsVBFH5deE

Hanspeter Kyburz: Piano Concerto (1999-2000 / rev. 2010) : https://youtu.be/bQZeM5qqyHA

Michael Jarrell: Abschied (2001): https://youtu.be/q0A1Dc_4BQE

Not for piano..but fun: Martijn Padding - First harmonium concerto (2008): https://youtu.be/VFjPq_3vs1M

James MacMillan: Piano Concerto No.2  already mentioned - (1999; 2003) for piano and string orchestra : https://youtu.be/OdCWOQuXNSI

Michel van der Aa - Just Before for piano and soundtrack (2000) https://youtu.be/gAUuXwm4Rig and

Transit : https://youtu.be/17gE1Lz2xNE or https://youtu.be/W91JliP4zBE

Klaas de Vries - Piano concerto (version for piano and 6 instrumentalists (1998; rev. 2003): https://youtu.be/Fc-ysQpIXNY

Joey Roukens: Concerto Hypnagogique - (fragm.): https://youtu.be/TF0myUUoHOE

Walter Hus : Temesta blues for piano and orchestra  (rehersal): https://youtu.be/yvR_7uPpeWs

Wolfgang Mitterer: concert for piano, orchestra and electronics“ (22 min) : https://youtu.be/rp2TSnudBa0

Friedrich Goldmann - Piano Concerto : https://youtu.be/NDxMfjSnNlA

Hans Abrahamsen: Left, alone (piano left hand & orchestra; world premiere 2016): https://youtu.be/Xyi8LJ-4pZA

Wolfgang Rihm: Piano Concerto No. 2 (2014): https://youtu.be/ks-fLRokE9U


Concerto's and concerto-like works are still composed. There's much more to find on YT (from Russia, Azerbeidjan, Thailand, Belgium...) in more "conventional" styles. Often a mix of neo-romanticism, repetition and minimalism.






Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on July 02, 2017, 11:39:04 PM
I hope to listen to all of those, thanks!
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: arpeggio on July 03, 2017, 05:04:34 AM
David Maslanka composed a concerto for piano and band in 2002.  Would that count?
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: relm1 on July 03, 2017, 06:26:03 AM
Did anyone mention Thierry Escaich? Fantaisie concertante for piano and orchestra and Scherzo Fantasy for two pianos and orchestra (2011)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmh2k-wJvX4

Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: pjme on July 03, 2017, 08:16:12 AM
Did anyone mention Thierry Escaich? Fantaisie concertante for piano and orchestra and Scherzo Fantasy for two pianos and orchestra (2011)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmh2k-wJvX4

I doubt that Jessop likes the French "neo-tonalistes" (Thierry Escaich, Pascal Zavaro, Nicolas Bacri, Guillaume Connesson etc.). But I could be wrong, of course.

Karol Beffa : https://youtu.be/PTa864QbrQ8 (fragm. from Pianoconcerto /2009).

P.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 18, 2017, 08:56:51 PM
Posted in WAYLTN and thought it fitting for this thread also. It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on it. It seems quite fine.

Jan Erik Mikalsen (b. 1979)

(http://nymusikk.no/uploads/made/uploads/images/Vannstand/Pressefoto/Jan-Erik-Mik_690_460_90_s.jpg)

Just for you (2017)
For piano solo & orchestra

Ellen Ugelvik, piano
Oslo-Filharmonien, Lars Erik ter Jung

As a way to explore some music I haven't heard before I thought it would be a good idea to check out various uploads of recordings from concerts on Tim Poulus's channel on YouTube. I am going in completely blind with some things, like the piano trio I listened to earlier and this piece by Mikalsen now, so I did not know what to expect and that is probably the best thing about listening to any music at all. This piece for orchestra and piano is pretty cool. It seems like a spectrally inspired composition as there are some aesthetic links I can hear in this to the music of Grisey. I am enjoying this a lot more than the piano trio I listened to earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/v/G0BQN4XVFhQ
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Post by: pjme on November 20, 2017, 07:24:15 AM
Next Thursday on KLARA : https://klara.be/

KLARA live / broadcast : 4 concerti performed by Jan Michiels.

Stravinsky (Piano & winds), Karel Goeyvaerts  (Avontuur (Adventure) 1985 and two worldpremieres by resp. Bram Van Camp ( written 2014/15) and Daan Janssens "...à suivre... (2017).

https://www.amuz.be/en/concert/jan-michiels-i-solisti/

P.



Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: San Antone on November 21, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
Despite the dismissive comments made on this thread about Elliott Carter's 21st century works for piano and orchestra, I will mention a new-ish recording (https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/8339488--elliott-carter-late-works) of his late works which includes four for piano and orchestra featuring pianist Pierre-Laurent Aimard.

(https://d27t0qkxhe4r68.cloudfront.net/t_300/761195129623.jpg?1502181706)

Release Date: 11th Aug 2017
Catalogue No: ODE12962
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on November 21, 2017, 12:38:29 AM
Carter's 21st century works are fantastic..........especially the piano and orchestra ones................
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 12:42:30 AM
Despite the dismissive comments made on this thread about Elliott Carter's 21st century works for piano and orchestra ....
Dismissive?  >:( By whom?  ??? Lock him or her up!!!!  :D

I got that CD San Antonio posted not too long ago, and found it brilliant. Great works by a great composer.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: You did it on November 21, 2017, 12:53:06 AM
Carter's 21st century works are fantastic..........especially the piano and orchestra ones................


I completely agree 100%, I think I like them even more too!
Even though I love stuff like his Concerto For Orchestra (probably my favorite in the CFO genre) and all the quartets. Even though he isn't a favorite of mine, I think he struck something really special in his last 15 years  :)
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: San Antone on November 21, 2017, 01:29:17 AM
Dismissive?  >:( By whom?

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Elliott Carter wrote quite a few piano-and-orchestra pieces in the 21st century, although stylistically they sit with the rest of his music around 1950

Maybe not meant to be dismissive, but struck me that way.  Imo, Carter's style developed quite a bit from his work in the 50s.   He was very active right up to his death shortly before his 104th birthday, which is unusual.  I think it bespeaks a certain hubris to claim that he might as well have stopped writing in the 50s.

Five years ago this month Carter passed away.  It will be interesting to see what happens to his works, how often they continue to be recorded and programmed.  I have a feeling his reputation will grow.

But I don't want to derail the thread, which is not about Elliott Carter.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ritter on November 21, 2017, 01:48:01 AM
Maybe not meant to be dismissive, but struck me that way.  Imo, Carter's style developed quite a bit from his work in the 50s.   He was very active right up to his death shortly before his 104th birthday, which is unusual.  I think it bespeaks a certain hubris to claim that he might as well have stopped writing in the 50s.
Just a quick postlude to that:

Elliott Carter....wrote a string of "pocket piano concertos" (for lack of a better term) in the 21st century: AFAIK, Conversations, Dialogues, Dialogues II, Interventions, and Two Controversies and a Conversation). Interventions (which I saw live in Berlin in--IIRC--2008 with Barenboim and Boulez) sounded very typical of Carter's Spätstil, and was IMHO a far cry from the composer's 1950s style (or his Piano concerto from the mid 1960s).
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As for Carter, I must relisten to the Piano concerto--haven't done so in ages--, but do think there is a lightness of touch, a playfulness, that starts to appear in the mid 1980's (yep, Penthode can be seen as a milestone, and so can the Oboe concerto IMHO) and that is absent from the Piano concerto (a much sterner piece, and one that still sounds "post-WWII"--if that means anything at all).
So I'd say you and I are on the same wavelength here, San Antonio  :)

THREAD DUTY:

I think Marc-André Dalbavie's Piano Concerto from 2005 has not been mentioned so far. Some people appear to be ambivalent about this composer, but I enjoy his music very much. The piece has been recorded by Leif Ove Andsnes...



...and is available on YouTube.
Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: pjme on November 21, 2017, 03:22:36 AM
Dobrinka Tabakova's "Together we remember to dance" was very well received in the Dutch press. Next performance:

12 December (Tue)
Watford Colloseum
London (EN)   
UK, London, Watford Colosseum, LIVE BBC Radio 3 broadcast   UK premiere of :"Together we remember to dance"/ Dobrinka Tabakova

Concerto for two pianos, percussion and strings with Arthur & Lucas Jussen, BBC Concert Orchestra, conductor- Jaime Martin
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Night / Fazil Say

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Title: Re: 21st Century compositions for piano and orchestra.
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on December 06, 2017, 03:24:19 PM
Cross post from WAYLTN, just came across this fun concerto from two years ago.

Bram Van Camp (b. 1980)

(http://www.bramvancamp.com/sites/default/files/f_BramVC5.jpg)

Concerto (2015)
For piano & ensemble

Jan Michiels, piano
I Solisti del Vento, Etienne Siebens

So far this is coming across as a fun piece, but it wouldn't sound out of place if it were written fifty years ago. So far I thiiiink I like the piece in the previous post just a little more in terms of the approach to timbre and texture, but let's see how this one goes. I reckon Le Moderniste would enjoy this.

https://www.youtube.com/v/oaOnMZqwuuw