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Title: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 07, 2007, 05:14:18 PM
In the previous forum, we had two wine threads (white & red) - I'd like to just start a 'new thread' on wine - links to the previous threads are: Red Wine (http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,1905.0.html) & White Wine (http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,3835.0.html).

These previous threads included wine recommendations, book suggestions, travel to wine areas, and many other various comments - so, please contribute -  8) :D

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: bwv 1080 on April 07, 2007, 05:38:13 PM
So what are some good $10 wines?

Montes Malbec and Cabernet is about all I buy these days given that it seems I have to spend three times as much to get something materially better
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: david johnson on April 08, 2007, 02:25:58 AM
red gives me an immediate allergic headache...white, i don't really like...but i love and can drink rosé/blush w/o problems!

dj
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: BachQ on April 08, 2007, 02:27:24 AM
Can we discuss brandy and cognac on this thread?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on April 08, 2007, 04:13:06 AM
Can we discuss brandy and cognac on this thread?

Howdy D minor,

We've usually discussed only wine in the wine thread and all other libations in the 'what are you drinking thread'.  I think that works out pretty well. 

Peace,

Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 08, 2007, 04:23:32 AM
So what are some good $10 wines?

Montes Malbec and Cabernet is about all I buy these days given that it seems I have to spend three times as much to get something materially better

Agree that the reds (and whites are good, too) from South America, i.e. Chile & Argentina can be excellent bargins, and many are in that $10 price range; the reds from Washington State, e.g. Columbia Crest Merlot is a perennial favorite, and Ch. Ste. Michelle lesser priced wines are often great value.  I'm still enamored w/ the Sauvignon Blancs from New Zealand; and finally, keep looking for bargins from Australia, esp. the Shiraz bottlings (e.g. Rosemount).

Also, take a look at the wine blogs (easy to find a lot by just 'googling' those terms), but I get USA Today, which has frequent wine recommendations (most at excellent prices) - check out ther blog called Cheers (http://blogs.usatoday.com/cheers/); and please if anyone finds some more good blogs, post them here - I've not done much w/ blogs over the years (subscribe to 3 different wine periodicals which usually keeps me informed although most of the wines recommended NEVER come into my state!  :-\).

Finally, a number of periodicals offer 'bargin' columns in their pages - the Wine Spectator is a good example; although they often review ridiculously expensive wines, there is often the valued options listed (like in the $10-$15 range) - their web site is excellent, but you need to join to get 'full' access, but worth a look.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 08, 2007, 04:28:08 AM
Howdy D minor,

We've usually discussed only wine in the wine thread and all other libations in the 'what are you drinking thread'.  I think that works out pretty well. 


Hello D Minor & Allan - I'd agree w/ the above, i.e. the distilled spirits (including cognac/brandy which of course is still made from wine) would be best in the 'drinking thread' - ports (which are up to 20% alcohol), sherries, and other wines of this sort, I believe use to be posted in the wine threads - sounds fair to me.  Cheers - Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on April 08, 2007, 06:48:40 AM
I have collected wine for years, but I haven't bought very much lately because I managed to get too much in the past and I need to drink it before I actively purchase a lot more.  However, certain types of wine seem to run down quickly and need to be replaced periodically.  Recently, I bought a few bottles to replenish some of these categories.

One type of wine that I have always loved, but which seems to be somewhat neglected these days (although it has its devoted fans) is unfortified dessert wine.  I'm curious to find out if there are others here who love these very sweet wines.

Most of the unfortified dessert wines commonly encountered fall into the late harvest category.  Grapes are left on the vine until they start to shrivel up and the sugars and flavor become concentrated.  Or in some cases, methods are used to assist this process.  Within this broad category of wine, there are two sub-types that I love:  ice wine and botrytized wine.

Ice wine is made from frozen grapes.  In the traditional method (required by law in Canada and Germany) the grapes are left on the vine until well into winter, and they are allowed to partially freeze.  The remaining juice is highly concentrated in sugar and flavor.  The result is a wine that is very sweet, and also incredibly complex and intense.  My favorites are the Canadian and German ice wines, but they generally don't come cheap.  In California, ice wines are made artificially - the grapes are frozen after harvest.  Some of these are available at bargain prices, and many are quite good considering the price.  One very good inexpensive California ice wine, made from the aromatic muscat grape, is Bonny Doon Muscat Vin de Glaciere.  It is usually about $10 for a half-bottle, and it is consistently good.

(Note that dessert wine is often sold in half-bottles.  Since it is so sweet and concentrated, a little goes a long way.  I usually drink it in small quantities out of miniature wine glasses or champagne flutes.)

Botrytized wine is made from grapes that have begun to rot.  It turns out that a fungus called Botrytis cinerea, if it attacks the right types of grapes under the right conditions, concentrates the juices and creates a very complex flavor.  When this happens, it is called noble rot.  When the conditions are wrong, it just ruins the grapes and is called grey rot.  Dessert wines that result from noble rot are among the best in the world.  At their best, they are very sweet and acidic, and have complex, intense flavors that are hard to describe in words.  Legal requirements vary.  In Europe, it is allowed to happen (or not) naturally, so the wine may vary from vintage to vintage.  In the famous Sauternes region of France, this happens naturally often enough that the region has become famous for it.  One of the most expensive dessert wines in the world, Chateau d'Yquem, comes from this region.  I have tried it once, and in my opinion its reputation is well-deserved.  (And the one I had was a weaker vintage; I can't even begin to imagine how good the strong vintages must be after they have aged for decades.)  I just bought a half-bottle of the 2002 vintage (about $150), so I will have another opportunity to try it after I have let it age for a while.  Most of the European botrytized wines are rather expensive (although the excellent Tokaji wine from Hungary is sometimes less expensive - I have bought good ones for $30/500ml), but there are some from California, Australia, and elsewhere that are significantly less expensive.  The secret to making this wine cheaply with consistent quality is to spray the grapes with spores.  The ones I have tried have not been as good as the best Sauternes, but they are excellent for the price (often around $20/half-bottle) and their quality is more consistent than Sauternes.

So has anyone else discovered these sweet wines?  If so, please post recommendations.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: BachQ on April 08, 2007, 07:02:47 AM
Hello D Minor & Allan - I'd agree w/ the above, i.e. the distilled spirits (including cognac/brandy which of course is still made from wine) would be best in the 'drinking thread' - ports (which are up to 20% alcohol), sherries, and other wines of this sort, I believe use to be posted in the wine threads - sounds fair to me.  Cheers - Dave  :D

But all of that knowledge about distilled wine is just bottled-up inside me . . . . . . waiting for a release in this thread . . . . . . :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 08, 2007, 07:14:30 AM
I have collected wine for years, but I haven't bought very much lately because I managed to get too much in the past and I need to drink it before I actively purchase a lot more.  However, certain types of wine seem to run down quickly and need to be replaced periodically.............

Heather - I believe that we may have exchanged a few posts in the old wine thread(s) - my wine cellar has 'dwindled' in the last 10 yrs or so (use to have over 700 bottles, but now down to about 200+); my wife does not drink wine anymore + the wines I use to like to collect have escalated so much in price (e.g. classified Bordeaux on futures, red/white Burgundies, Barolos & Barbarescos from Italy) that I decided to become a 'value' wine shopper; my main exception is buying Pinot Noir from an Oregon Wine Club that will ship to me.  :)

But, back then, I did have a wonderful collection of Sauternes that I would age for up to 10-12 yrs - usually had 6-8 (both full & halves) different ones - my wife loved these aged dessert wines (and so did her family, so always took a couple of bottles to them on our visits).  I've had virtually all of the other wines you mentioned, but mainly order them w/ dessert in a 'good' restaurant.  In fact, my 'newest' taste experience was on a recent trip to Richmond, VA - we stayed at the wonderful Jefferson Hotel & ate dinner the last night in their restaurant - ordered a dessert Chenin Blanc from the Loire Vly - tasty but not that expensive (my past readings on these wines is that w/ a lot of age they can be 'miracles' of nature!).

I do love the Muscat dessert wines, and the Bonny Doon version is a favorite. But, thanks for the great description of these wines - I'm sure many will be stimulated to give them a try.   :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on April 08, 2007, 10:51:18 AM
I certainly have encountered Loire Valley dessert chenin blanc; it is one of the little-known treasures of the wine world.  I have one bottle right now that I plan on aging for a few more years.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 08, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
I certainly have encountered Loire Valley dessert chenin blanc; it is one of the little-known treasures of the wine world.  I have one bottle right now that I plan on aging for a few more years.


Heather - would love to taste that wine w/ you after a few more years of aging!  :P ;D

Tonight, had some Hess Chardonnay, Su'Skol Vyd, 2005 - about $15 a bottle - I've gravitated away from California Chardonnay in recent years (why - well, prices have escalated for the wineries that I've bought in the past & the overly processed 'oaked' wines seem to be just unpleasant to me), but this wine is an excellent value - wife made a scallop dish & the combo was just fine!

(http://shop.hesscollection.com/images/prods/suskolchard_large.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on April 09, 2007, 04:03:34 PM
Tonight, had some Hess Chardonnay, Su'Skol Vyd, 2005 - about $15 a bottle - I've gravitated away from California Chardonnay in recent years (why - well, prices have escalated for the wineries that I've bought in the past & the overly processed 'oaked' wines seem to be just unpleasant to me), but this wine is an excellent value - wife made a scallop dish & the combo was just fine!

I have also had problems with California Chardonnay.  Much of it is downright nasty - when I drink it, I think I am drinking a liquefied oak tree, combined with too much acid.  I can't figure out why this stuff is so popular.  Of course, there are notable exceptions.  Wineries in California can make excellent Chardonnay if they want to, but it is usually in the $40 range or higher.  Typically, I won't buy California Chardonnay unless I have had a chance to taste it first.  I have had better luck with Oregon; their style is more like Burgundy, and they don't usually overdo the oak.  Also, I have had good luck with the original white Burgundy, but it isn't cheap.  I especially like the original unoaked Chablis (the real thing from Burgundy - not the nasty jug wine from the U.S.).

Lately, Merlot has become popular and therefore it is getting the Chardonnay treatment in California.  A few years ago, Merlot used to be a reasonably safe bet, but as it has become more popular, the overall level of nastiness has increased, so now I am reluctant to buy California Merlot unless I taste it first or see a good review.  It is a shame that mass-market wineries like to screw up a good thing.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: MishaK on April 09, 2007, 05:51:46 PM
I just had a wonderful glass of Schloss Vollrads 2003 Riesling Spätlese trocken (Rheingau).  :P
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 09, 2007, 06:09:10 PM
I just had a wonderful glass of Schloss Vollrads 2003 Riesling Spätlese trocken (Rheingau).  :P

O Mensch - only one glass?  :'( ;) ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: MishaK on April 09, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
O Mensch - only one glass?  :'( ;) ;D

In the meantime it's been two.  ;) We had the rest of the bottle yesterday.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 10, 2007, 06:09:45 AM
I have also had problems with California Chardonnay.  Much of it is downright nasty - when I drink it, I think I am drinking a liquefied oak tree, combined with too much acid.  I can't figure out why this stuff is so popular.  Of course, there are notable exceptions.  Wineries in California can make excellent Chardonnay if they want to, but it is usually in the $40 range or higher.  Typically, I won't buy California Chardonnay unless I have had a chance to taste it first.  I have had better luck with Oregon; their style is more like Burgundy, and they don't usually overdo the oak.  Also, I have had good luck with the original white Burgundy, but it isn't cheap.  I especially like the original unoaked Chablis (the real thing from Burgundy - not the nasty jug wine from the U.S.).............................

Heather - believe that we're on the same 'wavelength' - probably a common one!  :)  In whites, I'm enjoying the NZ Saugninon Blancs (and those from California & Washington State), Pinot Gris (Grigio) from CA & Oregon (King Estate has been a perennial favorite), and have been sampling Viogniers (if found) - love Sancerre & Puilly Fume, but the better ones seen just not to come into my area.  Again, Chardonnay consumption way down for the reasons already discussed; also like you, I will virtually never buy any wine w/o good reviews from the periodicals I receivie and/or my own tasting (not saying that I'm a great taster, but the point is if you like it & the price is right, buy some!).

Lately, Merlot has become popular and therefore it is getting the Chardonnay treatment in California.  A few years ago, Merlot used to be a reasonably safe bet, but as it has become more popular, the overall level of nastiness has increased, so now I am reluctant to buy California Merlot unless I taste it first or see a good review.  It is a shame that mass-market wineries like to screw up a good thing.

Can't disagree about the Merlots - do have a small collection, but rarely buy this wine - California just does not do well w/ this grape, esp. in an 'affordable' range; for the USA, I look to Washington State (even the 'cheap' Columbia Crest 'general merlot' often gets a 90 rating in the Wine Spectator); also, I've been sampling more of the reds from Chile & Argentina (Malbecs, Cabs, Merlots, & Carmenere has be a surprise to me!).  I guess for reds, Pinot Noir is still my favorite - the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/StoreFront.bok) has been 'my salvation' in North Carolina - order a bunch of wine from them; still picking up some California Pinot Noir (if available at a decent price), and have now been sampling the same grape from New Zealand (see a lot of future quality there).

Well, thanks for posting & keep them comin' - hope others will join in - Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 11, 2007, 10:35:13 AM

One type of wine that I have always loved, but which seems to be somewhat neglected these days (although it has its devoted fans) is unfortified dessert wine.  I'm curious to find out if there are others here who love these very sweet wines.

Most of the unfortified dessert wines commonly encountered fall into the late harvest category.  Grapes are left on the vine until they start to shrivel up and the sugars and flavor become concentrated.

Although my taste in German wine underwent a radical realignment about 17 years ago (I basically lost my sweet tooth) I still love those concentrated, ultra-sweet categories: Beerenauslese, Trockenbeerenauslese, and Eiswein. I also love the French equivalents, especially those wines from Barsac and Sauternes. I pulled some individual bottles from their cases and racks and had them pose in front of the Bordeaux:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Late%20Harvest.jpg)

Pride of the pack is probably a rare 1976 Scheurebe Trockenbeerenauslese from a vintner friend of ours who lives in the next village north of us, and, of course, my Chateau d'Yquem:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Late%20Harvest_closeup.jpg)

I could never afford...or rather, would be unwilling to spend the money for one of the great vintages but the 87 d'Yquem was still mind-bogglingly delicious (we only have one bottle left of the six we purchased in 1993) and, at 250FR a half-bottle, "relatively" cheap.

You're right about the current neglect. In some ways these wines are like classical music: only appreciated by a small minority with specialized taste: even in Germany they're a hard sell. My problem now is I have no one to share them with. Mrs. Rock has completely lost her taste for even moderately sweet wine and we have no friends or relatives who are interested in these great bottles. I'm forced to drink them alone...poor, poor, pitiful me ;D

If you ever get to Germany, Heather, we'll open that last 87.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brewski on April 11, 2007, 10:45:04 AM
Agree that the reds (and whites are good, too) from South America, i.e. Chile & Argentina can be excellent bargins, and many are in that $10 price range; the reds from Washington State, e.g. Columbia Crest Merlot is a perennial favorite, and Ch. Ste. Michelle lesser priced wines are often great value.  I'm still enamored w/ the Sauvignon Blancs from New Zealand; and finally, keep looking for bargins from Australia, esp. the Shiraz bottlings (e.g. Rosemount).

Just seconding these recommendations, especially from Chile and Australia.  One of my favorite inexpensive reds is from Australia: Wyndham Estates Bin 555, a very intense Shiraz that sells here in NYC for around $8 or $9. 

--Bruce
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 11, 2007, 02:34:43 PM
..............my Chateau d'Yquem:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Late%20Harvest_closeup.jpg)

I could never afford...or rather, would be unwilling to spend the money for one of the great vintages but the 87 d'Yquem was still mind-bogglingly delicious (we only have one bottle left of the six we purchased in 1993) and, at 250FR a half-bottle, "relatively" cheap.

If you ever get to Germany, Heather, we'll open that last 87.


Sarge - Heather & I are 'flying over' immediately!  ;D  Actually, when I WAS collecting Sauternes, I did have the two Chateaux pictured above (can't remember the years), but not the 'd'Yquem' - like I said before, these better Sauternes from the better vintages, aged a decade a more are just delicious!  It is just 'something' that one needs to experience to appreciate the enthusiasm being described - SAD that I'm no longer collecting these dessert wines -  :'(  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 12, 2007, 04:26:29 PM
Well, there seems to be some interest in South American wines, meaning mainly those from Chile & Argentina - tonight, I've been enjoying the Norton 2004 Malbec Reserva - about $14 in the USA (have a few extras in the basement cellar) - rated 91 in the Wine Spectator; the Malbec grape is one of the 'lesser' blending varietals used in Bordeaux (of course, the two main grapes there are Cabernet Sauvignon & Merlot), along w/ Cabernet Franc, Malbec, & Petit Verdot; however, this particular grape in the Mendoza Vly of Argentina seems to emerge on its own as an excellent red wine - these are well priced & worth exploring.

(http://www.southernwines.com/images/products/bodega-norton-reserva-malbec-2004.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 13, 2007, 05:31:17 PM
Tonight w/ dinner (chicken) had a Geyser Peak 2005 Sauvignon Blanc - quite inexpensive (about $9 or so) and just a CA blend, but received an */87 rating in Connoisseurs' Guide to California Wine (http://www.wineaccess.com/expert/connoisseurs) - my rating would be a B/B+, i.e. pleasant wine & good value - worth a try if you like this grape.

Sauvignon Blanc is one of the classic 'white grapes' - origins are in France - the 'white' wines of Bordeaux are typically a combination of this grape w/ Semillon, depending on the region (e.g. more SB in the 'dry' white wine areas vs. more Semillon in the 'sweet' wine areas, such as Sauternes and Barsac); the other important French region is the Loire Vly, esp. in the Sancerre & Pouilly Fume regions - these latter wines can be quite enjoyable - I love the better ones, but just can't get much of a selection in North Carolina.

Of course, this grape has been grown well in the New World - great examples are in California, Washington State, South America (esp. Chile in the Casablanca Vly), New Zealand; and in addition, Australia & South Africa (just had one of the latter the other day, about $12, and excellent!).  But I must say that my 'favorite' present Sauvignon Blanc wines are emerging from New Zealand - these are absolutely delicious wines at great prices (plus shipped in HUGE volumes at least to the USA); these NZ SBs are different - fresh, tart (like green apples), and refreshing (well chilled) - not much aging potential (plus, remember that harvest time is in the spring, so many are released in the fall of the same year, e.g. I'm buying to '06 currently).

So, give these Sauvignon Blancs a try - cheaper than often 'boring' Chardonnay, and the types of wines made are quite variable - enjoy -  :D

(http://volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/geyser_peak_sauvignon_blanc_2005.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 03:52:20 AM
I'm not a wine drinker (of course) but when we were in France last week, coming home from skiing in the Alps, we stopped over in Beaune - the heart of Burgundy wine.

My parents went to the Marché au Vins to do some wine tasting. I was allowed to do some too (they're more lenient in France). The two nicest wines were:

Chassagne Montrachet 2003 - generally held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of white wines.

Clos Vougeot Grand Crut - an exquisite red.

I'm not sure of the exact prices but the Chassagne Montrachet was at least £60 (we didn't buy any!). It was the most interesting wine I've ever tasted, it acquired an almost honey like taste after a while.

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2007, 04:14:36 AM
So, give these Sauvignon Blancs a try - cheaper than often 'boring' Chardonnay, and the types of wines made are quite variable - enjoy -  :D

I've discussed Sauvignon Blanc with you on the old forum. My opinion hasn't changed: I still love these wines. When I'm "home" (Ohio), I always order this grape with my fish. Dry Creek is a favorite (consistently good, and consistently cheap) but I'll splurge too on a really great bottle if I see one on a wine list (Cakebread, for example).

We got lucky recently: a new wine shop opened up in town that stocks quite a few reasonably-priced but domaine bottled Sauvignons from Sancerre and Pouilly-Fumé (12 to 15 Euro). Really good bottles of white Bordeaux (my favorite) are still hard to come by. Mrs. Rock is especially fond of a wine we buy during our annual vacation to the Allier region of the Auvergne (just west of Burgundy):


(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/SaintPourcain.jpg)


It's a blend unique to this appellation: Sauvignon blanc, Chardonnay, and Tressallier (a grape indiginous to the region, I think). No oak. This is an absolutely wonderful food wine.

Some German vintners, trying to be trendy, have planted "foreign" varietals in recent years (Cabernet, Merlot, Syrah, Chardonnay and Sauvignon blanc). So far I haven't been impressed with any of the Sauvignons; the wine either insipid or bitter. Riesling has nothing to worry about here ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2007, 04:38:07 AM
My parents went to the Marché au Vins to do some wine tasting. I was allowed to do some too (they're more lenient in France). The two nicest wines were:

Chassagne Montrachet 2003 - generally held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of white wines.

Clos Vougeot Grand Crut - an exquisite red.

Wow...you're off to a good start with your wine education, dude. Most of us started with Mateus and jugs of Lambrusco! I just fear you'll never be happy with anything less than Grand Cru again ;D

The Germans are more lenient about underage drinking too, especially at wine fests. The vintners kids learn about wine very early. This girl, aged nine or ten, I'd guess, was serving wine at a fest in the great Rheinhessen wine village of Nierstein. That's not unusual but I really had to smile when the guy with the beard complained that his wine was corked and the girl poured herself a glass, took a swallow, pursed her lips and took in air, swirled and spit like a professional before declaring that, yes, it was indeed corked. She opened a new bottle. (I love the second pic; the guy waiting for her judgment call.)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/03.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/01.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/02.jpg)

Sarge
 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 05:01:33 AM
Great pictures, Sergeant Rock!

To be honest, I don't see much wrong with drinking wine at an early-ish age (provided it's done in sensible amounts).

I'm not sure about not being happy with anything less than Grand Cru but it certainly makes a difference. People seem to think that expensive wine isn't as good as it's made out to be but the glass of Chassagne Montrachet that I had was the most special wine I've ever tasted - it tasted different to all the whites I'd had previously. Then again, in Burgundy there were some beautiful wines for about 15 euros.

My wine education (taste wise) is only very limited to the Côte de Beaune and Côte de Nuits. Right now, I'm just focussing on learning about the grapes etc.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2007, 05:12:57 AM
To be honest, I don't see much wrong with drinking wine at an early-ish age (provided it's done in sensible amounts).

I don't either. When you're brought up with the sense that wine is simply part of the meal, there is less likelihood you'll overindulge or treat alcohol as a drug. And too, anytime you forbid something to a human being, they're more likely to rebel, sneak off and abuse it. When we have guests from the States, we take them to wine fests; the teens appreciate being treated as adults, i.e., they can have a glass of wine if they want. Very often, they choose not to!... or choose to have just one glass. I've never seen anyone drink too much.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 06:46:42 AM
May I ask: where do you live? Is it in Germany?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 14, 2007, 09:35:23 AM
I'm not a wine drinker (of course) but when we were in France last week, coming home from skiing in the Alps, we stopped over in Beaune - the heart of Burgundy wine.

Chassagne Montrachet 2003 - generally held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of white wines.

Clos Vougeot Grand Crut - an exquisite red.


Don Giovanni - I'd have to agree w/ Sarge - tasting those wines might 'ruin' you for life!  ;D  When my wine cellar was at a larger capacity 15 yrs or so ago, and when 'white' & 'red' Burgundies (esp. the Premier Cru vineyards) were available here at decent prices, I did have a good collection of these wines, but cost for these better wines have escalated so much recently & the availability in my area remains poor, I've pretty much stopped buying them (indeed a loss for me).  However, I still love Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays, as discussed earlier in this thread.

Sarge - thanks again for the comments on the Sauvignon Blancs & the pics - drinking attitudes in the USA have always irritated me - I don't travel much to Europe anymore, but use to get over there every couple of years, and loved their more 'laid back' approaches to wine consumption, esp. at earlier ages; I remember taking our son to France when he was a young teenager (20 yrs or so ago) - one night in Paris, we went to the Moulin Rouge to see the show (which he thoroughly enjoyed); but we ordered a bottle of Champagne - the waiter brought 3 glasses, and he was able to share w/ us, I think he felt a foot taller when the show ended!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2007, 10:14:41 AM
May I ask: where do you live? Is it in Germany?

I'm an American but I married a German woman and we settled in Germany after I retired from the army. I live in the Rheinhessen wine region in a village on the Rhine River just north of Worms. We're about 30 minutes from the heart of the Pfalz (Deidesheim), 45 minutes from the Rheingau and Nahe, a little over an hour to the Mosel. We're close to France, too, and travel there often to buy wine.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 11:55:35 AM
I'm an American but I married a German woman and we settled in Germany after I retired from the army. I live in the Rheinhessen wine region in a village on the Rhine River just north of Worms. We're about 30 minutes from the heart of the Pfalz (Deidesheim), 45 minutes from the Rheingau and Nahe, a little over an hour to the Mosel. We're close to France, too, and travel there often to buy wine.

Sarge

Oh, so you were in the army! I just thought that that was a sort of persona you took on!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2007, 12:03:58 PM
Oh, so you were in the army! I just thought that that was a sort of persona you took on!

It was a persona I took on...when I enlisted in 1969. It just lasted far longer than I originally thought it would: 22 years. Actually, the original plan was to enlist, go to Nam, get myself killed heroically in order to impress a girl who'd dumped me. That didn't work out ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 12:06:01 PM
It was a persona I took on...when I enlisted in 1969. It just lasted far longer than I originally thought it would: 22 years. Actually, the original plan was to enlist, go to Nam, get myself killed heroically in order to impress a girl who'd dumped me. That didn't work out ;D

Sarge

How romantic!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2007, 12:12:14 PM
How romantic!  :D

Romantic? Yes, exactly...a romantic fool. If the French Foreign Legion had been easier to get into, I would have ended up there (much better food and wine of course ;D ) The American army sufficed.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on April 15, 2007, 09:12:05 AM
It was a persona I took on...when I enlisted in 1969. It just lasted far longer than I originally thought it would: 22 years. Actually, the original plan was to enlist, go to Nam, get myself killed heroically in order to impress a girl who'd dumped me. That didn't work out ;D

Sarge

 ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on April 15, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Sarge - Those pictures of bottles of some of the finest dessert wine are making my mouth water!  I really need to set some money aside and get some older bottles so that I can enjoy them now, and actively buy more bottles of recent vintages so that I don't have to spend a fortune in the future to buy older ones.

Unfortunately, wine in Utah is a state-controlled monopoly, so if the state-owned stores don't have what I want, I'm out of luck unless I want to travel outside of the state.  Of course, it is seriously illegal to mail-order wine here.  On the bright side, however, the state-owned wine store in downtown Salt Lake is an excellent one.  Even if I didn't live here, I would go by that store when passing through because they often have something interesting, and the high-end wines are often reasonably priced.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Robert on April 15, 2007, 12:11:07 PM
Romantic? Yes, exactly...a romantic fool. If the French Foreign Legion had been easier to get into, I would have ended up there (much better food and wine of course ;D ) The American army sufficed.

Sarge
May I suggest a movie with perhaps Tom Cruise..playing you of course......
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on April 15, 2007, 12:33:46 PM
Sarge - Those pictures of bottles of some of the finest dessert wine are making my mouth water!  I really need to set some money aside and get some older bottles so that I can enjoy them now, and actively buy more bottles of recent vintages so that I don't have to spend a fortune in the future to buy older ones.

Unfortunately, wine in Utah is a state-controlled monopoly, so if the state-owned stores don't have what I want, I'm out of luck unless I want to travel outside of the state.  Of course, it is seriously illegal to mail-order wine here.  On the bright side, however, the state-owned wine store in downtown Salt Lake is an excellent one.  Even if I didn't live here, I would go by that store when passing through because they often have something interesting, and the high-end wines are often reasonably priced.

Heather

I read an article not too long ago about the sole person responsible for what gets to come into Utah.  I couldn't believe only one person was in charge of all that wine.

Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 16, 2007, 04:21:21 AM
I just had a wonderful glass of Schloss Vollrads 2003 Riesling Spätlese trocken (Rheingau).  :P

The weather has been so freakishly gorgeous here the last two weeks, we're planning a picnic in the Rheingau next Saturday. There's a table and bench high above Hallgarten, between the last row of vines in the Hendelberg and the Taunus forest, with a spectacular panoramic view of the heart of the Rheingau: the Rhine River, Erbach, Hattenheim, Oestrich/Winkel, the Steinberg vineyard, enclosed with that stone wall, Schloss Johannisberg. We picnic there several times a year and usually go to Schloss Vollrads first to taste the wines and pick a bottle to drink with the meal. We keep a few cases of Vollrads in the cellar too; it's one of our favorite German estates. Didn't you have your wedding reception at Vollrads, O?

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 16, 2007, 05:42:07 AM
Sauvignon Blanc is one of the classic 'white grapes'...I must say that my 'favorite' present Sauvignon Blanc wines are emerging from New Zealand

Ever since reading that I've been thnking about NZ Sauvignon. NZ bottles are easy to find here but mainly the cheaper examples. Nice but hardly compares to the local Riesling quality-wise. I'd never had a bottle demonstrating the greatness of NZ Sauvignon. A fortuitous set of circumstances changed that Saturday evening. Mrs. Rock wanted to check out a new restaurant in Mussbach (a wine village between Deidesheim and Neustadt on the Deutsche Weinstrasse in the Pfalz). It was a beautiful place with a Hof (a courtyard between the buildings); since the weather was perfect we chose to eat outside. The wine list was a surprise. It led off with two pages of Sauvignon blanc!!! Bottles from Australia, the Loire, Austria, Germany but mostly from New Zealand! I know next to nothing about these wines but decided on one of the more expensive NZ bottles that also happened to be young (I know the wines don't age well usually): a 2005 Highfield from the Marlborough region. Mrs. Rock ordered pork tenderloin and creamed spinach and I ordered Rotbarsch (ocean perch) cooked Mediterranean style with vegetables and spaghetti.

The wine came and the bottle had a screwcap (no longer a sure sign of cheap wine). Still, Mrs. Rock joked to the waiter that at least we could be sure the wine wasn't corked. I resisted sniffing the cap ;D  When I put my nose in the glass and took a deep whiff, I almost fell out of my chair. My god, it was tremendous; a huge explosion of tropical fruits, acid (I swear I can smell acid) and that smell peculiar to Sauvignon that I can only descirbe as "green". I pronounced the wine more than sound and told Mrs. Rock she was going to be happy! And indeed she was. She had an almost shocked expresson on her face when she tried it and said, This tastes exactly like what a Pfälzer Sauvignon should taste like. (For those unfamiliar with wines from the Pfalz, they are famous for their aromas and flavors of pineapple, oranges, mango, passion fruit). And she was right: I really enjoyed that bottle, almost as much as my beloved Pfälzer Riesling. And I had to smile smugly when I read the back of the bottle: recommended with Mediterranean cuisine. (Okay, so it was pure luck I picked a perfect match...nothing to be smug about  ;D )

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Rotbarsch.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Highfield.jpg)


After dinner we drove north on the Weinstrasse to Kallstadt and went to Weingut Stauch for cheese and more wine. We had a great Alsation Munster with a glass of dry Riesling Kabinett from the town's famous Saumagen (Sow's belly) vineyard. By the way, Dave, Stauch makes superb Pinot Noir. In 2003 and 2004 his Pinots came in first place in competition in Paris (against over 700 other Pinots).

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Stauch2.jpg)


His Hof was gorgeous, the roses in full bloom:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Stauch1.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: MishaK on April 16, 2007, 05:57:45 AM
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/SaintPourcain.jpg)

The old Solti-coaster, I see...

We keep a few cases of Vollrads in the cellar too; it's one of our favorite German estates. Didn't you have your wedding reception at Vollrads, O?

Indeed, we did. I still have several bottles.  ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 16, 2007, 06:10:23 AM
The old Solti-coaster, I see...

Indeed...and that's all it's good for according to some here ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 16, 2007, 08:28:08 AM
Ever since reading that I've been thnking about NZ Sauvignon. NZ bottles are easy to find here but mainly the cheaper examples. Nice but hardly compares to the local Riesling quality-wise. I'd never had a bottle demonstrating the greatness of NZ Sauvignon. ....

he wine came and the bottle had a screwcap (no longer a sure sign of cheap wine). Still, Mrs. Rock joked to the waiter that at least we could be sure the wine wasn't corked. I resisted sniffing the cap ;D  When I put my nose in the glass and took a deep whiff, I almost fell out of my chair. My god, it was tremendous; a huge explosion of tropical fruits, acid (I swear I can smell acid) and that smell peculiar to Sauvignon that I can only descirbe as "green". I pronounced the wine more than sound and told Mrs. Rock she was going to be happy!

Sarge - great story & pics - glad that were finally able to obtain a decent NZ Sauvignon Blanc - many of those impressions are the ones I have when 'sniffing & tasting' these wines - the biting acid, crispness, and variety of fruit flavors (I'm a 'green apple' fan, so that strong malic acid presence really helps!).

The 2006 vintage is the year that I'm collecting at the moment - probably have had 6-8 different ones so far, the Nobilo Icon & Kim Crawford are sitting in my cellar now; agree about the aging - for those wanting to try these wines get the 'youngest' vintage and don't keep much more than 6-10 months (and remember, harvest time in the southern hemisphere is in the spring for us above the equator, so these wines often are released in the fall of the same year!).  The latest issue of the Wine Spectator just had an article on the NZ wines w/ plenty of recommendations, both Sauvignon Blanc & Pinot Noir, the latter showing tremendous progress & being released @ great prices (unfortunately, few are comin' my way @ the moment).

Finally, I absolutely love 'screw caps'!  NZ has a special 'screw cap' organization (forget the official name) which is pushing to get the whole country to switch over (which I believe will happen); one of the Bordeaux 'Grand Crus' just bottled half of a wine w/ corks, and the other half w/ screw caps (in the same issue of Wine Spectator)!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: MishaK on April 16, 2007, 08:45:29 AM
I don't either. When you're brought up with the sense that wine is simply part of the meal, there is less likelihood you'll overindulge or treat alcohol as a drug. And too, anytime you forbid something to a human being, they're more likely to rebel, sneak off and abuse it. When we have guests from the States, we take them to wine fests; the teens appreciate being treated as adults, i.e., they can have a glass of wine if they want. Very often, they choose not to!... or choose to have just one glass. I've never seen anyone drink too much.

That's exactly how I was brought up. We almost always had wine with a meal and I was given sips and later glasses since I was something like 12 or 13. I have never gone binge drinking and there is not a single night where I didn't remember what I did the next morning.

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 19, 2007, 04:39:32 PM
Well, for those who can obtain these wines - Zinfandel is a recommendation from California - red wine grape (please, don't even bring up 'White Zinfandel' to me even if you like it!); this is a grape 'unique' to the Golden State dating back into the 19th century.  Typically, the red version is dark, heady, and high in alcohol (in fact, a detriment IMO - I wish these wines were made 1-2% lower in alcohol levels). 

This grape was initially felt to be an Italian import (i.e. Primitivo from southern Italy), but DNA 'finger printing' has shown that the grape crossed the Adriatic Sea from Croatia, its original home, so basically a Balkan grape.  But the 'bottom line' is that Zinfandel can make a wonderful red wine w/ 'berry' flavors that will age well for a few years or more (often evolving into a bottle of wine that is similar to aged Cabernets or blends).  Give them a try - the prices really 'trump' the Cabs & Merlots!

Tonight w/ a Italian pasta dish made by the LOML, I had an 'aged' Seghesio Zinfandel 2002 (been in the cellar just a couple of years), so now only 5 yrs old & tasting fine - like Cabernets or Merlots (or blends), these wines may be excellent on release, or might improve w/ a few years of bottle aging - the point is give them a try, if available, and a couple of years might 'mellow' the the vintage - enjoy -  :D

(http://s7ondemand1.scene7.com/is/image/CPWM/31646_Seghesio_Sonoma_Zin?$278x278_Detail_Image$)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 20, 2007, 04:10:05 PM
About completed the book below - Judgment of Paris: California vs. France and the Historic 1976 Paris Tasting That Revolutionized Wine by George M. Taber (the only 'reporter' present at the tasting, working for 'Time Magazine').  This is an excellent book of not only the important California characters (esp. Mike Grgich & Warren Winiarski), the event itself, and its aftermath, but an exciting portrait of the re-birth of Napa Vly wines, esp. in the 1960-70s.  Grgich was the wine maker at Ch. Montelena, which had a Chardonnay, while Winiarski of Stag's Leap had a '73 Cabernet - both of these wines were the WINNERS at this blind tasting in Paris w/ completely French judges - nice summary here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)); also, click on the image for reviews of the book from the Amazonians - excellent read, if interested in this subject -  :D


(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0743297326.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_SCLZZZZZZZ_AA240_SH20_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Judgment-Paris-California-Historic-Revolutionized/dp/0743297326/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-4191504-6570256?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177116915&sr=1-2)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on April 21, 2007, 03:55:29 AM
Well, for those who can obtain these wines - Zinfandel is a recommendation from California - red wine grape (please, don't even bring up 'White Zinfandel' to me even if you like it!); this is a grape 'unique' to the Golden State dating back into the 19th century.  Typically, the red version is dark, heady, and high in alcohol (in fact, a detriment IMO - I wish these wines were made 1-2% lower in alcohol levels). 

This grape was initially felt to be an Italian import (i.e. Primitivo from southern Italy), but DNA 'finger printing' has shown that the grape crossed the Adriatic Sea from Croatia, its original home, so basically a Balkan grape.  But the 'bottom line' is that Zinfandel can make a wonderful red wine w/ 'berry' flavors that will age well for a few years or more (often evolving into a bottle of wine that is similar to aged Cabernets or blends).  Give them a try - the prices really 'trump' the Cabs & Merlots!

Tonight w/ a Italian pasta dish made by the LOML, I had an 'aged' Seghesio Zinfandel 2002 (been in the cellar just a couple of years), so now only 5 yrs old & tasting fine - like Cabernets or Merlots (or blends), these wines may be excellent on release, or might improve w/ a few years of bottle aging - the point is give them a try, if available, and a couple of years might 'mellow' the the vintage - enjoy -  :D

(http://s7ondemand1.scene7.com/is/image/CPWM/31646_Seghesio_Sonoma_Zin?$278x278_Detail_Image$)

Always loved the Ridge and Ravenswood.   

Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 21, 2007, 04:05:33 AM
Finally, I absolutely love 'screw caps'!  NZ has a special 'screw cap' organization (forget the official name) which is pushing to get the whole country to switch over (which I believe will happen); one of the Bordeaux 'Grand Crus' just bottled half of a wine w/ corks, and the other half w/ screw caps (in the same issue of Wine Spectator)!  :D

Screw caps are becoming more common in Germany too. There is a significant financial loss with returned wine that is corked and the vintners are beginning to rebel. Mrs. Rock is employed by a corporation that makes them. More interestingly, they also market a recent invention called the Vino-Loc. O mentioned drinking a 2003 Schloss Vollrads. That was the year Vollrads began to use the Vino-Loc. Like that Bordeaux estate you mention, Vollrads bottled some of the vintage with corks and some with the new enclosure, giving their customers a choice. I like the Loc (and screw caps) because I can store the wine upright.

The Vino-Loc is made of tough, shatterproof glass and has a small plastic seal that renders it airtight. It's really easy to get on and off. It looks like this when it's in the bottle:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Vollrads.jpg)

and here it is out of the bottle:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/Vino-Loc.jpg)


On the label, the term "erstes Gewächs" means premier cru or first growth. It's a new quality level, not sanctioned yet by the government's wine bureaucracy. Many of the top vintners, unhappy with the way German wine is produced, labeled and marketed, banded together and took it upon themselves to raise standards and denote certain vineyards as the best. A wine labeled erstes Gewächs has to be a Riesling. It has to meet stringent ripeness and yield levels, has to be vinified dry and pass a peer taste test. Ironically, and idiotically, the German wine laws won't allow the words on the label along with the QmP designation. Instead the wine can only be called a mere Qualitätswein, one of the lower categories. (Same with the word barrique. If that's on the label, it has to be marketed as a mere table wine even if the wine really is a dry Auslese!)

The label is designed to simplify things, especially for foreign consumers. Instead of the unwieldy term Niersteiner Brudersberg Riesling Spätlese trocken, the label says simply, Brudersberg (the vineyard name). One can assume it's a dry Riesling Spätlese from Nierstein. The hope is that eventually the vineyards will become well-known and synonymous in the consumer's mind with high quality the way the Burgundy vineyards are.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 21, 2007, 06:49:36 AM
Always loved the Ridge and Ravenswood.   


Allan - agree w/ you about Ridge & Ravenswood; I've visited both of these wineries over the years, and have had their products, esp. the Ridge Zins in my cellar (have some NOW!) - two recent '05 purchases are the Seghesio & the Ridge Ponzo Vyds. ('04 shown below); Paul Draper of Ridge is just one of the California 'Icons', and his contributions to creating glorious Zinfandels is unbeatable - CLICK on the image for more on the winery & the tremendous variety of wines he makes there; unfortunately, the prices for these regional/vineyard Zins from Ridge have just escalated tremendously, so 'less expensive' ones like the Seghesio might be a good option -  :D

(http://winelibrary.com/images/8237.jpg)  (http://www.thewinedoctor.com/images/ridgepauldraper.JPG) (http://www.thewinedoctor.com/tastingsprofile/ridge.shtml)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 21, 2007, 06:56:57 AM
Screw caps are becoming more common in Germany too. There is a significant financial loss with returned wine that is corked and the vintners are beginning to rebel. Mrs. Rock is employed by a corporation that makes them. More interestingly, they also market a recent invention called the Vino-Loc. O mentioned drinking a 2003 Schloss Vollrads. That was the year Vollrads began to use the Vino-Loc. Like that Bordeaux estate you mention, Vollrads bottled some of the vintage with corks and some with the new enclosure, giving their customers a choice. I like the Loc (and screw caps) because I can store the wine upright......

On the label, the term "erstes Gewächs" means premier cru or first growth. It's a new quality level, not sanctioned yet by the government's wine bureaucracy. Many of the top vintners, unhappy with the way German wine is produced, labeled and marketed, banded together and took it upon themselves to raise standards and denote certain vineyards as the best. A wine labeled erstes Gewächs has to be a Riesling. It has to meet stringent ripeness and yield levels, has to be vinified dry and pass a peer taste test. Ironically, and idiotically, the German wine laws won't allow the words on the label along with the QmP designation. Instead the wine can only be called a mere Qualitätswein, one of the lower categories. (Same with the word barrique. If that's on the label, it has to be marketed as a mere table wine even if the wine really is a dry Auslese!)

The label is designed to simplify things, especially for foreign consumers. Instead of the unwieldy term Niersteiner Brudersberg Riesling Spätlese trocken, the label merely says Brudersberg (the vineyard name). One can assume it's a dry Riesling Spätlese from Nierstein. The hope is that eventually the vineyards will become well-known and synonymous in the consumer's mind with high quality the way the Burgundy vineyards are.

Sarge - I've read about the Vino-Loc, but have not seen one 'in action' yet - guess I'll have to donate all of my corkscrews to a museum in the near future!  ;D

Thanks for the 'update' on German wine labelling, always a confusing issue - in a way like the 'Super Tuscan' wines being simply labelled as 'table wine' in Italy (another country w/ a difficult to understand system) - Dave  BTW - I'd love to sample that Riesling!  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 22, 2007, 04:40:25 PM
Well, I was @ Costco the other day w/ the LOML - don't go that often but we do spend a LOT of money on those infrequent trips - picked up a case of wine w/ some 'reds' for the cellar - added an Australian Shiraz, the d'Arenberg Shiraz 'The Footbolt' 2004 - did not have any ratings to make a choice but the label & back description looked & sounded great, about $16/bottle - tasting over a few nights, a good choice (will probably age for 1-2 yrs in the cellar and expect some benefit); also, Mondavi 2004 Cabernet (standard Napa wine - these Napa Cabs have become too expensive for me, so looking for bargins) - this wine was rated a */87 & 88 (in two of my periodicals) - not great, but good - the price @ Costco was only $19 a bottle (listed @ $27 in one of the periodicals, so considered a good deal) - tasted tonight - quite good w/ oak vanilla flavors - no great aging potential, maybe a year or so, but quite pleasant; really a PITY that GREAT CA Cabernet is now utterly in the strastophere for price - I just can't buy into this escalation of prices - I'll be exploring other areas, such as Chile & Argentina -  ;D
 
(http://library.bevnetwork.com/labels/545/36039.jpg)  (http://www.robertmondaviwinery.com/images/cntphoto_wines01.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 28, 2007, 06:44:41 PM
Well, has been about a week w/o any posts to the Wine Thread - just received a 'mixed' case shipment from the The Wine Club (http://www.thewineclub.com/) out of California - shipping to North Carolina w/o a problem (except the stupid signature @ your house!) - use to order from them a lot in the past (really hate these interstate wine commerce regulations!).

At any rate, the following arrived - all tasted & recommended:  1) St. Supery '06 'Sauvignon Blanc' (Napa Vly) - buy this yearly, just always good but not the cheapest of that grape; 2) Neyers '05 'Chardonnay' from Carneros - always good (91 rating in Wine Spectator) - had it tonight w/ some King Crab legs - what a COMBO!; 3) Ridge '05 Zinfandel (Ponzo Vyd) - probably will age for a couple of years, but delicious now!; and 4) St. Clair '06 Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand - great ratings & absolutely delicious - buy it, if available -  :)

(http://www.thewineclub.com/images/bn/160/43106.jpg) (http://www.thewineclub.com/images/bn/160/34823.jpg)  (http://www.thewineclub.com/images/bn/160/43223.jpg)
 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 29, 2007, 01:18:06 AM
These are two of the wines we had this week:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/new/prupom.jpg)

We drank the Pomerol with a baby turkey I grilled on the Weber (Germany, our area anyway, skipped both winter and spring and went straight from a protracted fall to 75-80° days these last weeks in April; it feels like a typical German August). I've been saving a few bottles of Nenin since 1998. I shouldn't have. The wine was far more interesting young and is now probably in decline.

While we were in Berlin for the Mahler cycle, we visited the palace complex of Sans Souci in Potsdam. We were surprised to see vineyards! The wine was for sale in the gift shop and I decided to buy a bottle of the pinot noir (Blauer Spätburgunder in German): Prussian Premium (17 Euro). Mrs. Rock was skeptical: how could it be a decent red wine this far north? I pointed out the Gold Prize, usually a guarantee that you're getting a good bottle (the wine is tested by a state agency, tasted blind by a panel of wine experts). We let it rest three weeks and opened it yesterday. It was superb. Complex nose and taste: black cherry, chocolate and mint (Mrs. Rock noticed the wintergreen component); faint vanilla and wood, the barrique used judiciously, not overpowering the grape. We drank it with Mrs. Rock's famous salmon burgers.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 29, 2007, 01:41:05 AM
At any rate, the following arrived - all tasted & recommended:  1) St. Supery '06 'Sauvignon Blanc' (Napa Vly) - buy this yearly, just always good but not the cheapest of that grape; 2) Neyers '05 'Chardonnay' from Carneros - always good (91 rating in Wine Spectator) - had it tonight w/ some King Crab legs - what a COMBO!; 3) Ridge '05 Zinfandel (Ponzo Vyd) - probably will age for a couple of years, but delicious now!; and 4) St. Clair '06 Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand - great ratings & absolutely delicious - buy it, if available -  :)

That looks like a fine selection, Dave. It's lunchtime here and the thought of crab and chardonnay is making me very hungry! I'll have to settle for considerably less unfortunately...at least for now. This evening, after it cools down, we're going to Bürklin-Wolf's restaurant in Ruppertsberg (the village next to Diedesheim). B-W is one of the great German wine estates: superb Riesling and Pinot Noir, and a sparkling wine that rivals Champagne.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 29, 2007, 04:48:23 AM
These are two of the wines we had this week:

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We drank the Pomerol with a baby turkey I grilled on the Weber (Germany, our area anyway, skipped both winter and spring and went straight from a protracted fall to 75-80° days these last weeks in April; it feels like a typical German August). I've been saving a few bottles of Nenin since 1998. I shouldn't have. The wine was far more interesting young and is now probably in decline......


Sarge - hello & enjoyed your posts - would love to try some of that German Riesling & Pinot Noir!  :P  My Bordeaux collection is dwindling away - use to buy a lot of  'futures' w/ a friend, and really had a nice assortment for many years; currently, just have the 'better' years from 1995 into 2000 (stopped purchasing Bordeaux after 2000 - the ones I used to buy just escalated so much in price, and there really is not much of a selection in my city to try to find the 'excellent' non-classified growths).  At any rate, I did taste my '95 Bordeaux a few months back - they are ready to go, but I must say that over the years, I tend to prefer them younger & more tannic (I guess a French vs. an English preference) - well have a great time eating out!  Dave :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 29, 2007, 05:16:23 AM
Sarge - hello & enjoyed your posts - would love to try some of that German Riesling & Pinot Noir!  :P  My Bordeaux collection is dwindling away - use to buy a lot of  'futures' w/ a friend, and really had a nice assortment for many years; currently, just have the 'better' years from 1995 into 2000 (stopped purchasing Bordeaux after 2000 - the ones I used to buy just escalated so much in price, and there really is not much of a selection in my city to try to find the 'excellent' non-classified growths).  At any rate, I did taste my '95 Bordeaux a few months back - they are ready to go, but I must say that over the years, I tend to prefer them younger & more tannic (I guess a French vs. an English preference) - well have a great time eating out!  Dave :)

Certainly the French aren't wrong. Mrs. Rock prefers almost any wine young, including Bordeaux: that exuberant, in-your-face fruit. I can go either way. Mature Bordeaux can be breathtaking...there's nothing else quite like that nose. I almost prefer to inhale rather than drink it ;D  The problem is knowing when to open the bottle. It's really hit or miss. I was surprised there wasn't more to the Nenin. I checked Parker after we drank it and he said to drink it young, within seven or eight years. Shoiuld have checked sooner, eh? It didn't look old though. I still don't know if it's in decline or just hasn't opened up yet. Now what to do with the last bottle...enjoy it as a simple rustic red without much character or let it sit a few more years, hoping for a miracle?

I stopped buying cru classé Bordeaux by the case around 1994 with the 91 vintage. There was a string of mediocre vintages plus the prices began to climb out of my reach. I bought a few half cases of 95s but other than that it's been single bottles mostly, and not very often. Grand Cru St. Emilion remained reasonable though (and often very, very good) as did the Medoc's cru bourgeois. That's what we've been drinking the last ten years when we needed a Bordeaux.

Sarge
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Post by: MishaK on April 29, 2007, 06:14:37 AM
B-W is one of the great German wine estates: superb Riesling and Pinot Noir, and a sparkling wine that rivals Champagne.

And outstanding Gewürztraminer, too (their Gewürztraminer 'S').
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 30, 2007, 12:44:15 PM
And outstanding Gewürztraminer, too (their Gewürztraminer 'S').

Although I prefer Alsation Gewürztraminer, you're right, Bürklin-Wolf makes a great bottle.

Here's where we went Sunday evening for dinner. It's a building adjacent to the vineyards that used to house the stables, the machinery and wagons; the stuff needed to cultivate and harvest grapes. The Bürklin-Wolf wine estate, which owns it, converted it into a Weinstube/restaurant.

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When the weather permits, as it did yesterday, you can eat and drink in the courtyard. The wood stove is used to make Flammekuchen (literally flame cake, Alsation-style tarte flambé)

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I had Coq au citron (chicken stewed in lemon broth with white asparagus), mashed potatoes and salad; Mrs. Rock had a salad with fried chicken livers and a variation of Flammekuchen topped with feta, onions, and basil leaves. We drank a dry Riesling:

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The weather was perfect, sunshine, 75°. This doesn't happen very often in Germany this time of year and people were taking advantage of it.

Sarge
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Post by: MishaK on April 30, 2007, 12:56:40 PM
Sarge, would you believe it, there is a restaurant in Chicago now that serves tarte flambé. I was very happy to discover that upon moving here, as I would not have to miss that old favorite from our Frankfurt days.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 30, 2007, 01:01:59 PM
Sarge, would you believe it, there is a restaurant in Chicago now that serves tarte flambé. I was very happy to discover that upon moving here, as I would not have to miss that old favorite from our Frankfurt days.

Actually I would now. The last few times I've been "home" I've discovered some incredible restaurants in Ohio (in Columbus, in Akron) that almost...almost...make me forget Europe...or rather, provide a little taste of my adopted home :)

Sarge
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Post by: toledobass on April 30, 2007, 02:44:47 PM
In Akron? Really?


Allan
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 30, 2007, 03:44:21 PM
Allan - better American restaurants are appearing in all cities - amazes me vs. 20+ yrs ago!

Tonight, LOML (Susan) made a Creole shrimp dish (wish there was twice the amount for me!  I missed lunch - one banana!), so tried the St. Supery '06 Sauvignon Blanc mentioned in one my previous posts - seems to have some 'oak' influences (see their Web Site (http://www.stsupery.com/wines/stsupery/sauvignonblanc.html), but can't find much there nor on the bottle label) - delicious wine but not as 'forward' w/ the fruit vs. the NZ Sauvignon Blanc listed in the same thread mentioned; at any rate, two excellent Sauvignon Blancs w/ different tastes - I like both, however, Susan seems attracted to the NZ 'fresh fruit' taste, really zesty!  ;D
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Post by: MishaK on May 01, 2007, 05:38:38 PM
Hey kids. My wife and I will be travelling to San Francisco (my first time there!) the weekend after next for a friend's wedding in Marin county. We arrive Thursday midnight and leave in the evening of Monday. Friday evening and all of Saturday will be jam-packed with wedding-related activities, but we'd like to go visit some vineyards Sunday and/or Monday. We will have a rental car. Any places you guys can recommend that can be easily visited from there would be greatly appreciated. Also, scenic and tasty spots for getting lunch that matches the local wine would be great. Many thanks in advance.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 02, 2007, 08:20:23 AM
Hey kids. My wife and I will be travelling to San Francisco (my first time there!)...... to go visit some vineyards Sunday and/or Monday. We will have a rental car. Any places you guys can recommend that can be easily visited from there would be greatly appreciated. Also, scenic and tasty spots for getting lunch that matches the local wine would be great. Many thanks in advance.

O Mensch - I've been to San Francisco many times, but not as often in recent years - last time was in '02 - setup a 'personal' wine tour for my wife combining some 'art' w/ wine tasting; started out at Domaine Carneros for a tour + champagne tasting; then headed into the Mayacamas Mtns. to visit the Hess Collection, which does have an art museum (not big but eclectic); up Highway 29 (main route through Napa Vly w/ plenty of potential stops!); lunched in St. Helena at a wonderful restaurant, but can't remember the name at the moment; then up toward Calistoga to visit Clos Pegase (great architecture) (again many other winery options along the way including a gondola up to the Sterling Winery); and finally back down toward Napa on my favorite road in the valley, Silverado Trail (a must drive!) - visited a few wineries, including Mumm Napa, which as a photography gallery.  Wonderful day!  :D

But, I've made many trips into the Napa Vly, Sonoma Region, and further north (Dry Crk Vly, Alexander Vly, etc.); so you'll really have to choose your interests.  Since this your first visit, I would either suggest a day in Napa Valley (which can be planned so many different ways) or a trip to the delightful town of Sonoma w/ visits to wineries around the town, such as Ravenswood and those in the lower Sonoma Valley, such as Arrowood, Kenwood, Ch. St. Jean, etc. - definitely pick up a recent quide book which will update the current restaurants (plenty of excellent choices) and discuss the wineries (I've not bought one in a half dozen years, so cannot provide a current recommendation, but the Frommer's book below looks quite good from the description, and just published).  Good luck, and please report back your activities!  ;) ;D

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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 02, 2007, 08:24:43 AM
Hey kids. My wife and I will be travelling to San Francisco (my first time there!) the weekend after next for a friend's wedding in Marin county. We arrive Thursday midnight and leave in the evening of Monday. Friday evening and all of Saturday will be jam-packed with wedding-related activities, but we'd like to go visit some vineyards Sunday and/or Monday. We will have a rental car. Any places you guys can recommend that can be easily visited from there would be greatly appreciated. Also, scenic and tasty spots for getting lunch that matches the local wine would be great. Many thanks in advance.

I can't offer anything, O. The last time I visited the San Francisco area was in the early 70s. I'm sure you'll have a great trip, though.

Sarge
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Post by: MishaK on May 03, 2007, 09:52:55 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. I got a different, more expanded Frommer's Guide. The day-by-day was a little to brief and I didn't like the format.
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Post by: Harry on May 05, 2007, 08:15:18 AM
Cabernet-Merlot, from Lindemanns, excellent wine!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 10, 2007, 05:38:26 AM
Interesting article about the soaring cost of some wines, and who to blame:

http://www.slate.com/id/2161442/fr/flyout

Sarge
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Post by: MishaK on May 10, 2007, 06:42:38 AM
Interesting article about the soaring cost of some wines, and who to blame:

http://www.slate.com/id/2161442/fr/flyout

Sarge

Thanks. Not an entirely novel argument, though. Did you see the documentary "Mondovino" a few years ago? It made the same point (though also ridiculously villifying some larger producers, while glorifying supposedly salt-of-the-earth mom and pop operators). One gem of the film was footage of Parker deliriously deprived of self-critical faculties waxing lyrical how he, the little guy from Podunk USA, "democratized" wine by giving the blue blooded Frenchies a down to earth reality check from an ordinary guy as to the real quality of their production methods and the outdatedness of their "cru classé" classifications. Never mind that thanks to him the demos can no longer afford those wines.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 10, 2007, 07:14:42 AM
Thanks. Not an entirely novel argument, though.

You're right. The argument goes back at least twenty years. I recall people complaining about the increase in Bordeaux prices after Parker, almost alone at first, called the 82 Bordeaux vintage one of the greatest ever and gave several wines 100 points. When he was proved right, people suddenly took notice and began to think of him as an all-wise, all-knowing guru of wine. The 82s were the last year a friend of mine bought futures. He bought before the hype and got incredible prices for several top wines (including Léoville-Las Cases). Alas, the good times ended, not coincidently, I think, with Parker's rise to pre-eminence.

Of course there have been many other factors too. I think the crucial element in the rise of Bordeaux prices was my retiring and buying a house with a cellar near perfect for storing and maturing wine. At last I could start a collection! And God saw what I was about to do and decided, no, he wasn't going to let me have reasonably priced Bordeaux.

"Why?" I asked Him, Job-like. And he answered:

BECAUSE I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND MASTER OF ALL YOU SEE! I DON'T NEED A REASON!

In other words, the same reason he always gives when I get screwed  ;D

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 10, 2007, 07:23:00 AM
Thanks. Not an entirely novel argument, though. Did you see the documentary "Mondovino" a few years ago? ......

Sarge - thanks for the link to the Slate article - Robert Parker's influence has certainly been phenomenal, and I agree w/ many of the negative comments on the use of the 100-point system made by the author.  As I've stated before, many of the wines (from Italy, France, & California) that I use to purchase are just no longer in my cellar because of the ridiculously escalated prices - it's just fermented grape juice, MY GOD!  ;D   So, will continue to look for value - and plenty out there to find!

O Mensch - yes, I saw that documentary, but may have turned it off?  The scene in his house w/ his dog(s) passing gas was just too much to endure!  ;) :)   I've subscribe to his Wine Advocate several times over the years, but no longer - did not always agree w/ his opinions, plus my current purchases have been 'narrowed' to certain countries (where the values are found!), and I no longer need a global assessment.   :D
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Post by: MishaK on May 10, 2007, 07:23:28 AM
Of course there have been many other factors too. I think the crucial element in the rise of Bordeaux prices was my retiring and buying a house with a cellar near perfect for storing and maturing wine. At last I could start a collection! And God saw what I was about to do and decided, no, he wasn't going to let me have reasonably priced Bordeaux.

"Why?" I asked Him, Job-like. And he answered:

BECAUSE I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND MASTER OF ALL YOU SEE! I DON'T NEED A REASON!

In other words, the same reason he always gives when I get screwed  ;D

Also, God's name is Murphy.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 10, 2007, 07:35:52 AM
Also, God's name is Murphy.


It is indeed  ;D

Sarge
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 10, 2007, 07:54:25 AM

I've subscribe to his Wine Advocate several times over the years, but no longer - did not always agree w/ his opinions, plus my current purchases have been 'narrowed' to certain countries (where the values are found!), and I no longer need a global assessment.   :D

Yeah, those are some of the same reasons I let my subscription expire. I prefer leaner, meaner wines than Parker likes. Another reason: he began to ignore German wine. By that time I didn't need his advice anyway; it was just fun to read his opinions and see if his assessments of the vintner's personalities matched mine. I live among the great vintners and can sample their wines any time I want. I don't need no stinkin' wine critic  ;D

There are many things I like about him, though. He is more down-to-earth than many of the famous wine critics. He was one of the first critics outside of Germany to appreciate the new style of dry Riesling (Hugh Johnson still doesn't get it) and he featured and extolled many superb vintners the German critics had overlooked or ignored (Darting and Lingenfelder in the Pfalz, Lotzbeyer in the Nahe, to name just three).

Sarge
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Post by: Sean on May 10, 2007, 11:11:14 AM
The only important thing about wine is how much alcohol there is in it and how fast it intoxicates. Not that I'm drinking right now.
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Post by: MishaK on May 10, 2007, 11:17:49 AM
The only important thing about wine is how much alcohol there is in it and how fast it intoxicates. Not that I'm drinking right now.

In that case, wine isn't exactly the weapon of choice.
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Post by: Sean on May 10, 2007, 11:21:27 AM
Superstrong lager is really cheap over here- half a litre of 10% for 75pence/$1-40 down the shop: does the job.
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Post by: SimonGodders on May 10, 2007, 11:25:25 AM
The only important thing about wine is how much alcohol there is in it and how fast it intoxicates. Not that I'm drinking right now.

Heathen
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 10, 2007, 11:50:45 AM
The only important thing about wine is how much alcohol there is in it and how fast it intoxicates.

In that case, wine isn't exactly the weapon of choice.

Exactly.

Sean, may I suggest Old Grand-Dad instead?

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At 114 proof, or 57% alcohol, it will get the job done four to five times quicker than wine.

Sarge
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Post by: Sean on May 10, 2007, 11:55:29 AM
Quote
At 114 proof, or 57% alcohol, it will get the job done four to five times quicker than wine.

Sarge

Can't beat that. (They do quarter bottles of some vodka-gin stuff 55% in China when I was there for a pittance.)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 10, 2007, 12:06:25 PM
Can't beat that. (They do quarter bottles of some vodka-gin stuff 55% in China when I was there for a pittance.)

Yeah, the New York Times tested gins recently and some of the brands were in that alcohol range. Gives a martini a nice kick  ;D

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 10, 2007, 01:38:28 PM
The only important thing about wine is how much alcohol there is in it and how fast it intoxicates. Not that I'm drinking right now.

Sean, my boy - you have a lot of learning & drinking to do!  ;) ;D   But, I was once given a bottle of 'something' from a Chinese colleague (brought back from Shanghai) - that stuff must have been 180+ Proof!  I'd send you what was left but had to dump it into the sink -  ::) :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 11, 2007, 05:22:16 PM
Couple of slightly 'aged' red wines from the cellar - both are from 2002 (despite the label year shown) - sitting in the basement for 2+ years; both now quite mellow & delicious:

Seghesio Zinfandel 2002 - inexpensive & a unique California offering; better ones will improve w/ a few years of bottle aging (the best might take 5+ years - e.g. Paul Draper's Ridge offerings).

Clancy's - Peter Lehmann blend from Australia - I've bought this wine also yearly - a blend of Shiraz w/ 'Bordeaux' grapes (i.e. Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, & Cabernet Franc) - just wonderful after 5 yrs. of age; again, good value -  :D

(http://volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/seghesio_sonoma_county_zinfandel_2004.jpg)  (http://quattrowine.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/clancys_main.gif)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 12, 2007, 03:49:14 PM
Well, tonight I had a little Shingleback 2002 Shiraz which had been 'aging' in my cellar for a couple of years - there was a large and unexpected sediment, but the wine is delicious; I've been buying this particular wine for several vintages (and it does require a few or more years of aging); so, if you're interested (and can obtain) this Australian Shiraz, then this winery is certainly worth a search!

Also, I have an 'aging' collection of Ports (i.e. the REAL thing from Portugal), and about every 3-4 months I decant one - tonight decided to try a Dow's 1990 Quinta do Bomfim - this is a vintage port from the year listed - outstanding @ the moment w/ a great amount of sediment, i.e. need to 'decant' carefully; this is not Dow's usualy 'Vintage Port' - these Quinta (means a vineyard/winery in Portugal) offerings are often made in the 'off' years but from an otherwise 'excellent' vintage crop - a number of these port houses offer 'quinta' selections - these are often less expensive than the usual vintage selections, i.e. if you don't wan't to spend the  $$ on standard 'Vintage Port' then try either the LBV (Late Bottled Vintages) or the Quinta offerings - you'll be pleased -  :D

(http://www.liffordwineagency.com/newsletter/2005/06/hitlist/images/shingleback_shiraz.jpg)  (http://www.atlasofwineries.com/wineries/graphics/dows.jpg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 13, 2007, 10:24:49 AM
Well, I'm sure many are sipping on some vino, esp. w/ summer coming (at least in the Northern hemisphere -  ;) :D) - just returned from a short trip to Virginia, and visited some wineries there & in North Carolina on the way home.  If anyone is 'headed' to the mid-Atlantic states, esp. the two mentioned & would like to visit some wineries, there are plenty of options!  Virginia now has over 120 & North Carolina over 60 wineries in operation, so plenty of choices -  :D

Check out the NC Wine (http://www.ncwine.org/welcome.html) & Virginia (http://www.virginiawines.org/) web sites - plenty of information, including winery descriptions, maps, directions, etc.

Also, the second edition of a NC wine guide (below) was just published - mine arrived today in the mail, hence the reason for posting to this thread; also below a pic of Shelton Vineyards in Dobson, NC - about 45 mins from my home.  :)

And if you do visit, please provide comments -  :)

(http://www.blairpub.com/images/NC_Wineries_2ed.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/162565637-M.jpg)
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Post by: SimonGodders on June 13, 2007, 10:35:35 AM
Should post here more often, as certainly get through a couple of bottles a week!

Just had half of this with dinner, nice and chewy, excellent with my linguine Bolognese:
(http://www.drinksdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Canaletto_Montepulciano_D_Abruzzo_DOC_75cl.jpg)
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Post by: Solitary Wanderer on June 27, 2007, 06:21:23 PM
I will be having a glass [or two] of this tonight

(http://www.volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/kim_crawford_unoaked_chardonnay_2005.jpg)
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Post by: MishaK on June 27, 2007, 06:28:27 PM
I just had a lovely Mulderbosch Sauvignon Blanc with dinner. Mulderbosch quickly became one of my favorite producers during my visit to South Africa two years ago. Thankfully, Whole Foods carries some of their wines now and then. Their most interesting wine, the Steen op Hout (a wooded Chenin Blanc) unfortunately is hard to come by stateside. That is a really unique wine, crisp but full of Kiwi and other subtle tropical fuits, yet with a slight smoky undertone thanks to the wood barrel aging, atypical for regular Chenin Blanc.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 28, 2007, 07:14:20 AM
I will be having a glass [or two] of this tonight

(http://www.volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/kim_crawford_unoaked_chardonnay_2005.jpg)

SW - I'm a big NZ wine fan (probably obvious from my previous posts) - love the Sauvignon Blanc, and fortunately many ship into my area in North Carolina, including the Kim Crawford label; also I've tried the 'unoaked' Chardonnay that you picture above, plus their Pinot Noir - that is my favorite red wine (at the moment), so anxious to see more of the NZ Pinot Noirs come into my area (just a 'handful' at the moment).  Enjoy - Dave  :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 28, 2007, 07:33:26 AM
I just had a lovely Mulderbosch Sauvignon Blanc with dinner.........

O Mensch - just had an excellent South African Sauvignon Blanc, but can't remember the name - South Africa is about the only major 'Southern Hemisphere' wine country that I've not explored well - fortunately, I'm seeing more of their wines 'hit' the shelves here, so I'll try to correct that in the near future - the wines often receive excellent reviews -  :D

For those who might be interested in reading about wines, the two newest books to arrive in my home are:

The Art and Science of Wine (2007) by James Halliday & Hugh Johnson - just starting to read this one; two great wine writers - plenty of beautiful pics; short & to the point - this is a nice introduction concentrating more on the production of wine rather than a review of specific wine regions, and certainly not a listing of wines tasted (need to look elsewhere).

Wine Atlas of Australia (2006) by James Halliday, the pre-eminent wine writer in Australia; new hardback (not cheap but good price from Amazon) - I've been an enthusiast of Australian wines for decades (my 'small' collection is heavy on the Shiraz, but do collect other reds & a few whites) - this is an outstanding & beautifully put together atlas - CLICK on the image for further comments - just have quickly perused the pages so far -  :)

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cQ3sjLKqL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)  (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/11ETCN7DS0L._AA180_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Wine-Atlas-Australia-James-Halliday/dp/0520250311/ref=sr_1_1/104-5196249-4816710?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183047927&sr=8-1)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 30, 2007, 02:42:17 PM
***** GREAT WINE LABEL *****

Just returned from an overnight trip to the Blueridge Parkway in southern Virginia - on the way up stopped in downtown Mt. Airy (NC - home of Andy Griffith of Mayberry TV fame) - a cooperative winery is located on Main Street, Old North State Winery (http://www.38vines.com/shop_online.html) (CLICK on name for details) - did a 'wine tasting', which included a red wine called Restless Soul (mixture of Merlot, Cabernet, & Chambourcin; the latter 'mellowing' the wine) - the label is fascinating; apparently, the re-modelled building was originally a hardware store dating to the 1890s; in the early 20th century an explosion of dynamite occurred destroying much of the building - the story is that a human arm was found some years later in restoring the building -TRUE?  Asked about a t-shirt, but none existed - maybe next time!  ;D


(http://www.38vines.com/images/restless%20Soul.bmp)
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Post by: MishaK on June 30, 2007, 08:37:11 PM
We just had friends over for dinner and opened a bottle that I had bought a few years ago: 2000 Gitton Père et Fils - Sancerre - Les Herses d'Or. Gitton is a wonderful family run operation in Ménétréol sous Sancerre, just at the foot of the hill on top of which is Sancerre. They make a number of different Sancerres from different plots as well as one of the finest Poully Fumés. But what is really interesting is that they have a few Sancerres that are really unique - a quite spicy-floral bouquet and lots of body. The Les Herses do'Or is their top of the line from among these "weird" Sancerres. Really a unique and very enjoyable wine. It's astounding how one single vineyard can produce so much variety from one single grape varietal. My wife and I visited this vineyard twice on trips to France. They were always amazingly friendly and engaging. Highly recommended if you're ever in the upper Loire area.

For dessert we had a St. Supéry Moscato which we picked up on our recent trip to Napa. A wonderfully balanced dessert wine that isn't overwhelmingly sweet or strong. And priced reasonably as well.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 12, 2007, 05:43:36 PM
Well, tasted several wines tonight:

Norton Malbec 2005 Reserva from the Mendoza Vly, Argentina - I sample this wine yearly & have a couple of bottles of the '04 in my cellar; this one is excellent & at a good value - probably will buy some extra bottles - Malbec is a 'minor' grape of the Bordeaux area, but for some reason in this Argentinian Vly seems to produce a superb red wine - give those Malbecs a try!

Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin Champagne Brut Non-Vintage - bought for this evening, our 37th wedding anniversary; I usually just buy domestic (i.e. USA) sparkling wine, such as Dom. Chandon (about 1/3 to 1/2 the price); but I must say that this wine was superb, certainly worth the extra cost  (if drank infrequently) - think these French options will be more a consideration for me in the future -  :D

(http://www.hitimewine.net/istarimages/p/t/pt-378952!1302.jpg)  (http://www.liquorama.net/ProductImages/veuve.jpg)
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Post by: Greta on July 12, 2007, 11:01:33 PM
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Hey kids. My wife and I will be travelling to San Francisco (my first time there!) the weekend after next for a friend's wedding in Marin county. We arrive Thursday midnight and leave in the evening of Monday. Friday evening and all of Saturday will be jam-packed with wedding-related activities, but we'd like to go visit some vineyards Sunday and/or Monday. We will have a rental car. Any places you guys can recommend that can be easily visited from there would be greatly appreciated. Also, scenic and tasty spots for getting lunch that matches the local wine would be great. Many thanks in advance.

I can honestly say the Bay Area, and especially Napa Valley, is one of the most special places I've been to. :) We were going from SF up to Clearlake (huge beautiful lake about 45 min north of Napa area, Kelseyville) to the Konocti Harbor Resort, and drove up through Napa Valley, we visited Beringer Vineyards which was beautiful and a lot of fun. We stopped off in Calistoga, perfectly lovely and quaint, the best restaurants are small classy affairs there, you guys will love it. They seem to always have great summer festivals going on in that area this time of year, with great music (especially soul/funk/jazz), we went to the Napa Valley Festival and the weather was gorgeous, almost cool at times and food stands with dishes made with fresh produce and wine galore. Man, great memories, I have a lot of friends out there (I need to make it back!)

As far as SF, it's a smorgasbord, visiting the Ghiradelli Chocolate Factory was like heaven on earth, Golden Gate and Oakland Bay bridges at night are a must, wow. Alas,  I really wanted to see SFS when I was there but both times was there for a week in August and there wasn't much going on. Downtown SF is amazing though! Sacramento also is fun, downtown Old Sacramento has that turn-of-the-century feel and is a nice place to spend a half day. The museums in SF are in particular really fine, MOMA (http://www.sfmoma.org/), the Exploratorium, etc. and this is gorgeous in person:

The Palace of the Fine Arts:
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My favorite memory from out there is when I accompanied my friend to a gig of his soul band, for an event at the ranch of sculptor Phillip Glashoff (http://www.phillipglashoff.com/) in the gorgeous Suisun Valley. I remember at twilight, as the hills turned purple and stars poked through the sky, and surrounded by these whimsical figures almost sprung from a children's story, I felt as if I were in the world of my imagination and not reality. It was truly magical. A fantastically creative artist and nice guy. The band members got free wine and a sculpture a piece as thanks!

Glashoff farm:
(http://www.phillipglashoff.com/sculpture_gardens/images/sg_f1.jpg)

Suisun Valley:
(http://wine.appellationamerica.com/images/appellations/features/Suisun-cool-climate.jpg)

Suisun Valley is just to the south of Napa Valley and quickly growing a reputation for excellent wines produced by small family run vineyards. It's rustic, quaint and quiet and really isolated from the everyday hubbub. Very special place and highly recommended for a pass-through. ;)

You could easily spend several weeks out there and never run out of awesome things to see and do!
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 13, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
I can honestly say the Bay Area, and especially Napa Valley, is one of the most special places I've been to. :) We were going from SF up to Clearlake (huge beautiful lake about 45 min north of Napa area, Kelseyville) to the Konocti Harbor Resort, and drove up through Napa Valley, we visited Beringer Vineyards which was beautiful and a lot of fun...........................

Greta - thanks for the great travelogue of the Bay Area - brings back many memories for me - just a great place to visit, eat, & sample wines (and nature's beauty!) -  :)

Recently, my nephew, a post-grad student, is planning to attend a meeting in San Francisco and is just getting interested in wine; a couple of weeks ago, he wrote me for some day-trip winery advice; quoted below is my response to him - not as elegant as Greta's descriptions, but may give those making their first or second trips to the area some ideas?  :)

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Sounds like a great trip - I've often chosen to go to California when medical meetings were held there (probably been there a dozen or more times over the last 25+ years) - invariably take a day or two to visit wineries; on my last trip (probably 3-4 yrs. ago) put together a Napa trip for Susan - we drove up and made our first stop @ Domaine Carnernos (looks like a French chateaux; in Carneros which also has plenty of wineries) - took a tour & tasted  champagne; then headed into the Mayacamas Mtns. and visited the Hess Collection (some excellent red wines) + an eclectic art gallery; then down into Napa Vly to St. Helena for a nice lunch; afterwards up to Calistoga & Clos Pegase (great architecture; and good reds); then the Silverado Trail (much more beautiful that Hwy 29 & less traveled - a must road to drive) - stopped at Mumm (another champagne producer but also w/ a photography gallery); then down the Trail into the town of Napa for some coffee. Of course there are dozens of other wineries along the routes that I've described, both large & small - you might want a mix of wineries of varying sizes?

You might want to picked up a recent guide book of the Napa-Sonoma wine regions - I've used a number over the years - Frommer's has a recent one - but check on Amazon for reviews (I'd suggest getting a very recent book - these places & their products change constantly & just look at the comments). I could certainly list a bunch of wineries that I've visited over the years & will be glad to make some more suggestions, if needed.

Also, there are non-Napa options out of San Fran - Sonoma Valley & County are across the Mayacamas - a nice trip would be to drive into Sonoma (wonderful little town w/ a great bakery & historic tours - was the northern most Spanish mission town along the Camino Real); several wineries around the town include Buena Vista & Ravenswood (great Zinfandels); then head into Sonoma Valley (i.e. Valley of the Moon of Jack London fame) - wineries are numerous and include Kenwood, Arrowood, Ch. St. Jean, Dry Creek, and others - that would be a nice day trip w/ a lunch along the way.

Sonoma County is huge and probably would take several days - dozens of wineries making all sorts of wines - need a map & a guide book to plot out a route; of course, you could go further north into Dry Creek & Alexander Valleys (just across the highway from each other); plenty of wineres - did those two valleys as a day trip once.

Finally, if you want to head south from San Fran, then Monterey County is just wonderful - you will also pass by the Santa Cruz Mtns (plenty of good wineres there) - Monterey is a beautiful coastal town (w/ great food & a superb aquarium); the 17-mile drive on Monterey Peninsula is not to be missed - Pebble Beach golf course, Carmel, sea otters, seals, etc. Plus, the guidebooks will show you the wineries in the area - more 'spread out' but some excellent ones.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 11, 2007, 07:26:04 AM
Another month has gone by w/o a response to the wine thread -  :-\

Currently reading the book below on the wines of Bordeaux by Oz Clarke - outstanding reviews (which I support) - book is short, concise, and contains plenty of fine maps, aerial-type views, & photos; written in Clarke's usual superb manner w/ lots of humor; just released, so the information is quite up to date - if you buy (and drink) Bordeaux wine, then a strong recommendation.

If you're 'passing' through North Carolina driving on Hwy 52 (links I-40 & I-85) near Lexington (NC capital of barbecue), then make a stop @ Childress Vineyards & Winery - I was there a few weeks ago - excellent tour, bistro restaurant, & great gift shop; this is one of the most impressive wineries in the Yadkin River area - their current Syrah release is quite good, as is their more higher priced bottlings.   :D

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uPfuXKinL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)  (http://www.aroundthepiedmonttriad.com/PTWine/Childress/images/childress.gif)
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Post by: Papageno on August 12, 2007, 03:49:07 PM
Aaah, nothing can make you as drunk as Mozart can.
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Post by: sound67 on August 14, 2007, 10:53:43 AM
As recommended by my next-block seller (and importer!) of French and Italian grapes:

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Daniel Crochet 2006 Sancerre
(picture shows 2002 vintage), € 11.50

A medium-bodied Sauvingon Blanc with strong grapefruit and melon flavors. A little light on the nose, mainly citric, but more complex and stronger on the palate - better than the other way around, ain't it? Surprisingly little acid for an upper Loire, which in book is not necessarily a good thing (tried the Neil Ellis Sauvignon Blanc 2006 recently, whose lively but well-integrated acid I much appreciated).

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 16, 2007, 03:00:53 PM
As recommended by my next-block seller (and importer!) of French and Italian grapes:

(http://www.bouchons.nl/images2/wijnen/21groot.jpg)

Daniel Crochet 2006 Sancerre
(picture shows 2002 vintage), € 11.50

A medium-bodied Sauvingon Blanc with strong grapefruit and melon flavors. A little light on the nose, mainly citric, but more complex and stronger on the palate - better than the other way around, ain't it? Surprisingly little acid for an upper Loire, which in book is not necessarily a good thing (tried the Neil Ellis Sauvignon Blanc 2006 recently, whose lively but well-integrated acid I much appreciated).=

Thomas - love Sancerre & many other Sauvignon Blancs - such as those from New Zealand, California, & Washington State (plus selective others!) -  :D

Tonight, sipping on some Columbia Crest '04 Merlot, Grand Estates - CHEAP ($10 here) - 90 rating in Wine Spectator (I'd give it a B/B+) - this would be a great party red wine, i.e. not expensive so you can buy a bunch of bottles - have a few extra for the cellar - drink w/i a year -  :)

(http://volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/columbia_crest_grand_estates_merlot_2002.jpg) PLEASE NOTE - VINTAGE UNDER DISCUSSION is 2004
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Post by: sound67 on August 17, 2007, 04:09:10 AM
A variety once neglected, now popular again:

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Trentham Estate Premium Range 2005(!) Viognier
Perth Royal Show Gold Medal (Jg.2005)
Australian Inland Wine Show Silver Medal (Jg.2005)
N.Z. International Wine Show Silver Medal (Jg.2005)
Melbourne Wine Show Bronze Medal (Jg.2005)
Melbourne Wine Show Gold Medal (Jg.2005)


An excellent, fruity-yet-not-perfumed Viognier, and at € 8 a great bang for the buck! Wonderful floral and apricot aromas in the nose, notes of acacia and lemon on the palate. A surprisingly, and deliciously, long finish for such an inexpensive wine. Definitely recommended!

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on August 17, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
But this is something else  :D

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Mount Nelson Marlborough 2006 Sauvignon Blanc, € 11
90 Points, Wine Spectator

Superb Sauvignon Blanc. Unlike its French Sancerre brother (sister?), this has a livelier acid, but a comparably complex aroma. Closer to the Neil Ellis Sauvisgnon Blanc I tasted earlier, and more to my liking. Again, grapefruit and gooseberry flavours dominate, in the nose and on the palate as well. A wine where all aromas you first sense are realized in the actual wine taste. Fine wine for this price!

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 17, 2007, 04:55:25 PM
But this is something else  :D

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Mount Nelson Marlborough 2006 Sauvignon Blanc, € 11
90 Points, Wine Spectator

Thomas - I'd love to taste that NZ SB you pictured above - at the moment, does not seem to be shipped to North Carolina - just picked up a few bottles for the cellar of the Kim Crawford '06 - typically buy this one yearly - comes here, good price, and always enjoyable; I really love the NZ approach to this grape - just one of my favorite 'white wines' at the moment!  Dave  :)
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Post by: sound67 on August 19, 2007, 02:47:21 AM
Another Sauvignon Blanc from Marlborough, but with a very different slant:

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Nautilus Sauvignon Blanc Marlborough 2006, € 13
85 Points, Wine Spectator

This time, the aroma of gooseberry is almost pervasive, too much so for my taste. Rather too sour, with citric notes adding to its grassy, less-fruity-than usual finish. Complex to be sure, but not a white I'm going to buy again!

Thomas

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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 19, 2007, 03:52:45 AM
Another Sauvignon Blanc from Marlborough, but with a very different slant:

(http://picture.yatego.com/images/41515b68ac61d7.5/NZ-SB-0021-06p.jpg)  (http://www.castellobanfi.com/externals/62/b4769ebc1afd4d132e26623f6f7fc59f34c494.gif)  (http://www.wine-pages.com/temp/banfi-pg.jpg)

Nautilus Sauvignon Blanc Marlborough 2006, € 13
85 Points, Wine Spectator

This time, the aroma of gooseberry is almost pervasive, too much so for my taste. Rather too sour, with citric notes adding to its grassy, less-fruity-than usual finish. Complex to be sure, but not a white I'm going to buy again!


Yes, that NZ Sauvignon Blanc ships into my area - likely have had it in the past (try most that reach the stores here) - some of these can certainly be quite sharp & acidic, like an 'unripe' sour apple (but at times, I really like that taste -  :))

I've become more of a Pinot Grigio (a.k.a. Pinot Gris) fan in recent years (attempt to get away from Chardonnay, I guess) - have been trying mostly those from California & Oregon (King Estate an annual favorite), but also from my own home state of North Carolina, which is not doin' too bad w/ the grape.

Just recently, I saw the Italian Pinot Grigio from Banfi (pics added above) at Costco for a great price - tried it a few weeks ago and went back for some extra bottles the other day - check out the comments HERE (http://www.wine-pages.com/temp/banfi-pg.htm); agree - quite good and great value -  :D
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Post by: sound67 on August 19, 2007, 07:23:10 AM
like an 'unripe' sour apple (but at times, I really like that taste -  :))

Good description, that it's exactly what it is.

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I tried to offset it by eating a bit of munster cheese on the side, that did make it appear a little fruitier. But it won't be a favorite.

Next in line could be a Buitenverwachting Sauvignon Blanc from RSA, or a de Wetshof Chardonnay Lesca.
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Post by: MishaK on August 21, 2007, 04:11:29 PM
Next in line could be a Buitenverwachting Sauvignon Blanc from RSA, or a de Wetshof Chardonnay Lesca.

May I reccomend a Mulderbosch Steen op Hout instead?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 30, 2007, 06:08:50 AM
Just returned from a week in Quebec - great scenery, food, & history; our third visit to that Canadian province over the years & we already want to go back! 

In the duty-free shop, a number of Canadian icewines were available to sale, including at least three from Inniskillin - bought the small sampler of Vidal & the half bottle of Riesling - tasted each last night - BOY, what an unctous explosion of flavors & concentration - these are indeed impressive (and quite expensive!) - the restaurant prices for a small glass are in the $20 range, so this was a good option - I've had only several 'ice wines' made in the traditional fashion, so will be a treat to have some sips over the next few evenings.  CLICK on the image for a link to the web site, if interested -  :)

(http://www.kbmpr.com/Inniskillin/Images/IN_logo_hi.jpg) (http://www.inniskillin.com/)
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Post by: sound67 on August 30, 2007, 10:00:21 AM
In my part of the world, due to last year's no-frost winter, there wasn't even an ice wine this year!  :-[

Down the hatch at the moment:

(http://www.kochmix.de/shop/img/image.php?id=1000529201)
Buitenverwachting Sauvignon Blanc 2006, Wine of Constantia (RSA)

Not a bad Sauvignon Blanc from South Africa, but one that is closer to its Loire "ancestors" than I usually like. Lively lemon, gooseberry flavors, with some passion fruit, moderate (and well-integrated) acid, but a little leaner than I prefer. Described as "complex" in some ads, but I didn't find it so.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on August 30, 2007, 11:11:09 AM
The one to follow, and a pleasant surprise:

(http://www.ambari.de/img/600x600/4065811.jpg)
De Wetshof Estate Wine Chardonnay Lesca 2005, Robertson (RSA), € 10-12

A pleasantly "uncontroversial" Chardonnay from South Africa, with pronounced vanilla flavors and buttery notes. Not sure about the fruit, some say melon, some say peach, some say pear. To be drunk at 6-8°, or 10-12° respectively, according to another shop. So much for recommendations, thank you very much!  $:)

However, I appreciate the barrique notes to be more subtle (as compared to the Meerlust Chardonnay), and the general smoothness. Still, the acid is snappy!
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 30, 2007, 12:59:03 PM
Thomas - thanks for the South African wine recommendations - I MUST start looking around for some of these wines (won't find many here but maybe a few of interest); I've had a number of South African medical colleagues over the years who always talked about the wines from their country -  :D  Dave
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Post by: sound67 on September 01, 2007, 08:01:03 AM
(http://www.obrist.ch/_catalogue/bouteilles/beringer/9889_B.jpg)
Beringer Founder's Estate Chardonnay 2004, California (USA), € 10-11

Now, this is a fruity Chardonnay. Ripe pear and ananas dominate, with moderate acid and present, but not overbearing barrique notes. I recommend this wine to be drunk at about 10° C. Not a light wine to be sure, and with excellent length, too.

Quick question to wine experts on this board: I am keeping my wines in a wine fridge that has a temperature of about 10°. Are there any rough estimates of how long e.g. it takes a red to warm to 16 or 18° if the room temperature is 20-22°?

Thomas
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Post by: The new erato on September 01, 2007, 10:29:54 AM
The rule of thumb is 1 C pr 15 minutes, thogh it obviously depends on the temperature differential.
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Post by: sound67 on September 03, 2007, 11:25:06 AM
Thanks for the help.  :)

Now drinking:

(http://www.terra-vinum.de/images/product_images/popup_images/9512000044869.jpg)
Plantagenet Omrah Unoaked Chardonnay 2005, € 10

Tried their Shiraz of the Omrah range a couple of years ago, nothing special. But as €10 everyday drinking wines go, this unoaked chardonnay is deliciously fruity with ripe pear and melon on the palate, and enough crispy acid to keep it lively and tinkling on the tongue. I gather that more and more white wines are made unoaked these days. Maybe that's why the finish aint that long, although the taste itself is amiably complex.

Thomas

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Post by: Heather Harrison on September 03, 2007, 11:43:39 AM
Just returned from a week in Quebec - great scenery, food, & history; our third visit to that Canadian province over the years & we already want to go back! 

In the duty-free shop, a number of Canadian icewines were available to sale, including at least three from Inniskillin - bought the small sampler of Vidal & the half bottle of Riesling - tasted each last night - BOY, what an unctous explosion of flavors & concentration - these are indeed impressive (and quite expensive!) - the restaurant prices for a small glass are in the $20 range, so this was a good option - I've had only several 'ice wines' made in the traditional fashion, so will be a treat to have some sips over the next few evenings.

Canadian ice wine is a classic.  I have had wine from Inniskillin and several other producers from Ontario and British Columbia.  There are usually a few available in Utah.  Canada (unlike the United States) has strict laws governing what can be called "ice wine"; their definition is similar to Germany's.  Canadian ice wine may be expensive, but it is well worth it, and it is considerably less costly on average than German ice wine.

Heather
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Post by: MishaK on September 05, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
My wife and I just spent a week in Alto Adige, or Südtirol, as it is known to its German-speaking natives. Apart from hiking in the gorgeous mountains and soaking in the thermal baths in Meran (conveniently connected by underground tunnel to our hotel, so you could go door to door in your bathrobe), we also took the time to visit some of our favorite local wine producers.

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Cantina Terlano/Kellerei Terlan:  (http://www.kellerei-terlan.com/) this is the local vintner's collective of the town of Terlan, located about halfway between Meran and Bolzano (Bozen). The hillside with the castle that you see on their labels is exactly how the place looks when you're going south down the highway from Meran. This is one of my favorite producers and their wines are fairly easy to find in the US as well. Highlights of their selection include the Terlaner (an elegant, crisp white blend), an outstanding Sauvignon Blanc by the name of Winkl and their Lagrein "Gries". Lagrein is a local native red varietal with very concentrated flavor and considerable body. It goes extremely well with Meraner ham. In addition, Terlan produces small amounts of truly outstanding Gewürztraminer. This grape originates from Alto Adige (see Tramin, below) and unlike the often sweetish Alsatian and German Gewürztraminer, the original Südtirol version is extremely smooth and elegant, more subtle, less sweet, but retains the fragrant bouquet. Kellerei Terlan's Gewürztraminer, though hard to find at times, is easily my favorite Gewürztraminer. 

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Alois Lageder:  (http://www.aloislageder.eu/eng/home.php) One of the most accmoplished and refined wine makers in the region. There isn't a dud in his selection that I have found yet and it ragis from inexpensive simple Pinot Grigio to wonderfully complex red blends.

Kellerei Tramin: (http://www.tramin-wine.it/) The local collective of Tramin/Tramino from where the Gewürztraminer grape originates. I found their reds and other whites somewhat unconvincing, but if you're looking for "authentic" Gewürztraminer, you should try this. Terlan's is probably a notch more refined, but this is very close.

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H. Lun: (http://www.lun.it/) A small producer we didn't get a chance to vist, Lun makes a stunning, concentrated Pinot Noir "Sandbichler" which can be found in the US as well. Highly recommended.

Addendum: what sparked my initial interest in (and eventually got me hooked on) Alto Adige wines was a wine bar in New York by the name of Bar Veloce on 2nd Ave. between 11th and 12th Streets, conveniently located just a few doors down from my favorite NY sushi place (Kanoyama on the corner of 2nd and 11th), which I started visiting around 2000 when I was living in NY. I usually make it a point to stop by whenever I am NY on travels these days (my NY friends used to joke that I always make them meet me in the same place when I am in town). If you live in NY or are in the area, stop by. They specialize in Italian wines and years of faithful patronage I haven't found a single subpar wine on their menu. Prices are also reasonable by NY standards.
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Post by: sound67 on September 05, 2007, 10:36:05 PM
Had a few friends over and tried the following:

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Babich Hawke's Bay Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (NZ) - Neil Ellis Groeneklof Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (RSA) - d'Arenberg The Footbolt Shiraz 2004 (AU)

Babich has a great reputation for its whites, and this SB certainly did not disappoint. The Neil Ellis I already knew and liked very much, but upon direct comparison, I marginally prefer the Babich, which is a touch fruitier but has about the same lively acid and general freshness. Both have peach and melon aromas to counter the gooseberry.

The d'Arenberg Shiraz also was new to me: medium-bodied, fine blackberry and black currant aromas and white pepper. Good stuff, but not as intense as some other Australian Shirazes I know (like the superb BIN 28 Kalimna Shiraz from Penfold's). I think I need stronger stuff than this, so I ordered the Mitolo GAM Shiraz yesterday.

All three trade between € 10 and € 13 here.

Thomas
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Post by: toledobass on September 06, 2007, 06:22:49 PM
I had a greek rose tonight.  Of course I can't remember who made it and it's not on the website's wine list.  I had no idea a greek wine could be so nice and perfect for a warm humid Cleveland evening.

Allan
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Post by: sound67 on September 07, 2007, 12:38:23 AM
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Plantagenet Omrah Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (AU), € 9-10

An eminently drinkable everyday SB, closer in spirit (more fruit, less acid) to the French Loire Sancerre's than to the more acidic variety often found in NZ and AU. Tropical fruit in the nose, ripe melon aromas on the palate, with citric finish. Acid is present but very well integrated. Not a terribly complex wine, but a great balanced one to drink a whole bottle of - and quickly, too. ;)

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 07, 2007, 02:10:16 PM
Tried a few German wines this evening at Frankfurt's winefest (at the Fressgass'), and some Chardonnay and Sauvignon Blanc weren't bad. But compared to wines like this (no more expensive, I'd like to add), they're dishwater:

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Chateau de Campuget Cuvée Prestige Viognier 2006 (F), € 8.50 (up to $18(!) elsewhere)

A particularly strong viognier with the customary fruit and floral notes, but not the least bit perfumed. With, surprisingly, stronger acid than the Australian Viogniers from Yalumba and Trentham, with an impressively long and powerful finish. At this price, a steal.

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 07, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
(http://www.volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/chateau_campuget_viognier_2006.jpg)
Chateau de Campuget Cuvée Prestige Viognier 2006 (F), € 8.50 (up to $18(!) elsewhere)

A particularly strong viognier with the customary fruit and floral notes, but not the least bit perfumed. With, surprisingly, stronger acid than the Australian Viogniers from Yalumba and Trentham, with an impressively long and powerful finish. At this price, a steal.

Thomas - I've really been enjoying your wine comments - I've had the Australian Shiraz you posted a few back on this thread; the Sauvignon Blanc mentioned more recently looks great - wish I could get my hands on a bottle -  :P :D

Also, I'm a great fan of Viognier but have mainly had California & North Carolina versions!  Yes, North Carolina, my home state, is doing not too badly w/ this grape (a lot of 'trial & error' left & many more years to improve!) - the French offerings just don't ship here, but I'd love to give them a try!

For myself the last few days or so, Franciscan '05 Chardonnay from Napa Vly (actually a nice inexpensive Chardonnay w/ good reviews); King Estate '06 Pinot Gris or Grigio (a perennial fav for me; Oregon), and a Warre 1992 LBV Port - needed to be decanted, and as good as a lesser vintage offering - been sipping on that one for a number of nights, finished off yesterday.   :)
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Post by: sound67 on September 08, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
(http://www.winestate.com.au/magazine/julaug05/B_Morambro%20Creek%20Shiraz02.jpg)
Morambro Creek Padthaway Shiraz 2003 (AU), € 10

A stronger, more pepper-y Shiraz than the d'Arenberg, with spices and fruit registering equally. Blackberry is the domineering fruit flavor, pepper and cigar(!) feature strongly in the finish. The finish is outstandingly long for a red at this price, but won't go well with people who don't like a bitter aftertaste. High notes from wine experts seem well-deserved.

Thomas
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Post by: The new erato on September 08, 2007, 03:15:51 AM
Had these last Friday:

Started with a well-cellared Krug NV which I didn’t take notes on.Then we sat down and I got some writing materials for the following short notes.

Pierre Peters Millesines 96 (not the 100% Mesnils Mesnillesines): Very tight and slightly bitter. Very acidic and unapproachable, perhaps too much so.

Pol Roger Brut 96: Appley, primary and rich. Very long. This seems to  be slowly getting its act together.

Larmandier-Bernier VV de Cramant 96: Slightly more mature, smokey and very creamy style. Approachable but still young.

Billecart-Salmon Cuvee NF Billecart 96: Very rich, doughy, some sweetness, rich and very muscular. 

Lanson Gold Label Brut 90: Quite balanced and freh, slightly simple and light but finely balanced.

Philiponnat Clos des Goisses 90: Slightly oxydized and over the top. Slightly sweet and heavy, low acids (must have been HOT in the Goisses vineyard I 1990!). Lacks some structure, the 91 is FAR better.

Roederer Cristal 90: Extremely elegant, narrow and focused with hints of vanilla, beautifully balanced and a really superb and gracious champagne.

Bollinger Grand Anne 90: Lacks some stuffing in the midtaste, slightly heavy and bitter and not well balanced in the finish.

Bollinger VV Francise 90: Distinctly red fruits on the nose, quite minerally with hints of smoked meats. Very fruity finish, fine balance.

Salon 90: Slightly edgy and clumsy structure: I’m not convinced, Salon seems to suffer from lots of bottle variation as well as oxidation issues.

Gratien Brut 88: A bruiser of a champagne. Massive, slightly sweet fruit, very big style, well made with lots of potential.

Gratien Brut 85: Starting to open, and quite elegant for a Gratien. Appley fruit with fine balance and very long, but lacks some of the enormous concentration of the 88, still very good.

A Dom Perignon 75 was corked.

Finally a Borgoogno Barolo 64 that was gone, with a nose of furniture polish and broth. Better with air, but still… And a Serafino 64 that was simply superb with absolutely marvellous acids and fine, mature and aromatic Nebbiolo fruit.
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Post by: sound67 on September 08, 2007, 08:59:35 AM
(http://www.winestate.com.au/magazine/julaug05/B_Morambro%20Creek%20Shiraz02.jpg)
Morambro Creek Padthaway Shiraz 2003 (AU), € 10

Having another sip of it hours later the finish has smoothened a bit. Clearly, this is a wine that needs to be decanted an hour or so before consumption.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 09, 2007, 03:34:48 AM
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Thelema Sutherland Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (RSA, Stellenbosch), € 12-13

A fresh but not lightweight sauvignon blanc, with enough mineral notes and tropical fruit in the finish to firmly ground the gooseberry overtones. With plenty of citrus, without making the wine seem acidic. Close to the Babich and Neil Ellis SB's I tasted earlier, with a strong finish. Very good value.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 10, 2007, 11:34:40 AM
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Vergelegen Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (RSA, Stellenbosch), € 13

On the fruitier end of SB's comes this one from South Africa. Grapefruit and passion fruit, with hints of white pepper. Acid is moderate, maybe a bit too moderate - the wine seems less fresh than some. In comparison to Neil Ellis and Babich, rather a bit harmless and nonchalant. Maybe more elegant, but the finish is shorter.

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 10, 2007, 12:42:04 PM
Hello, Thomas - that Aussie Shiraz & the Sauvignon Blancs look like they would be to my liking - unfortunately, I've not seen that Australian label here -  >:(  I have not been shopping for wine in a couple of weeks, so must get out and search for some South African vinos!  :D

Over the weekend, sipping on the newest Concha y Toro Cabernet, 2005 - young, dark, unctous, & tannic - showns great promise - about $14 here, so will likely pick up a few bottles for the cellar, and wait a couple of years; bought the '05 Merlot - these are from the Puente Alto Vineyard in the Maipo Valley - this HUGE Chiliean Winery seems to be just getting better all of the time; I've been exploring these Chilean & Argentinian reds for a while, esp. w/ the outrageous prices of the better California offerings of the same varietals!

Also, sipping on the Rosenblum Viognier, 2005 Kathy's Cuvee - quote below from one review - have to agree completely; about $15 - had some last night w/ scallops (posted in the eating thread) - might finish the rest off tonight - been a long day @ work!  ;) ;D

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possesses beautiful aromas of apricots and peaches gently touched by vanilla and cinnamon. A palate loaded with honeydew melon, apricots, rich vanillas, subtle hints of tropical fruit and just a touch of toastiness complete this elegant wine

(http://www.conchaytorousa.com/images/MarquesCab.gif)     (http://www.carlorussowine.com/images/bn/320/24732.jpg)
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Post by: sound67 on September 11, 2007, 09:25:46 AM
Is this Viognier oaked? Vanilla notes seem to indicate that.

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Land's End Elim Vinyards Sauvignon Blanc 2003 (RSA, Elim), € 12-13

From the very south of South Africa comes this SB with ripe melon and tropical fruit aromas, little gooseberry here. And not much acid either. A mouthfilling SB to be sure, but altogether a little "mainstream-y", i.e. bland. I think altogether I'll prefer the New Zealand SB's over the South African ones, with the notable exception of Neil Ellis.

Two small bottles of d'Arenberg The Dead Arm Shiraz in the mail today (also two highly rated Glen Carlou Syrah's and Palliser Estate Sauvignon Blancs of Marlborough).  Got to have some friends over ...

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 11, 2007, 10:00:18 AM
Is this Viognier oaked? Vanilla notes seem to indicate that.

Thomas - for the '05 the back label was of no help, although I agree w/ your comment, and the wine did taste like one that had seen oak and went through ML fermentation - below is a description of the '06 Viognier - Kathy's Cuvee which has just been released; I'd assume that the '05 was handled in a similar manner - Dave  :)

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Sourced from two distinct vineyards, grapes for this wine were gently whole-cluster pressed and fermented for over two months in a mixture of French, American oak and stainless steel barrels.
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Post by: sound67 on September 12, 2007, 10:03:35 PM
I was asking because SO many whites come unoaked these days. Even more and more reds. Vanilla and oak flavors seem to be unfashionable now for young wines.

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RAKA Biography Shiraz 2003 (RSA, Walker Bay), € 15,-

A characterful Shiraz from SA, rivalling the Aussie competition in intensity of fruit and white pepper aromas. Blackberry notes are particularly strong with this syrah, with above-average concentration for a wine of this price and a long and complex finish. Decanting of 1 hour is recommended. This one's oaked, of course.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 13, 2007, 10:28:32 AM
After all those pleasures from overseas ...

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Laquai Riesling "Classic" 2006 (Germany, Rheingau) € 6

I always consider it wise to follow the advice of wine sellers when you ask them which wines they themselves are drinking. Which lead me to this extremely fruity (apricot and tropical fruit, with very moderate acid) Riesling from the Laquai Brothers, a wine company in  the Rheingau region of southern Germany (http://www.weingut-laquai.de/weingut1.htm (http://www.weingut-laquai.de/weingut1.htm)). They also make high-class "Erstes Gewächs" wines, but this moderately priced white is far better than one would expect. Most Germans prefer their Riesling mean and lean, but those always seem to be too acidic and not altogether approachable. This is the complete opposite, a fabulous everyday drinking white, not very complex perhaps, but with good body. Next bottle, please!

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 13, 2007, 11:00:22 AM
Well, returned from a visit to one of the larger wine retailers in the area a few days ago - picked up some cellar additions, at least for the reds.

Casa Lapostolle Chardonnay - Cuvee Alexandre (2005 vintage) - about $20 - rating of 90 from the Wine Spectator - this Chilean Winery is making some excellent wines, in particular the whites from the more coastal Casablanca Vly have really improved in recent years; probably the third vintage that I've sampled from this special cuvee - of course, sees more oak & has those wonderful tropical fruit flavors that I notice in chardonnays from the Southern Hemisphere.

Shingleback Shiraz (2004) from McLaren Vale - $22 - 91 ratings in the Wine Spectator & Wine Enthusiast - already have several previous vintages aging in my basement cellar - still quite tannic but dark & loaded w/ blackberry flavors; plenty of oak - will let it sit a year & give it a try!  :)

Thorn-Clarke Shiraz - Shotfire Ridge (2005 vintage; not the one shown) - $20 - 90 rating in the Wine Spectator - second vintage in the cellar; plus, the same 2006 vintage was just rated 91, so will likely add that when it arrives in town!  Similar comments to the other shiraz - dark, tannic, highly extracted fruit - might have to leave that one for 2 years?  But hey, I have plenty of '02 - '04s Aussies to drink!  ;D

(http://www.wineanorak.com/blog/uploaded_images/casa_lapostolle-745133.jpg)  (http://www.liffordwineagency.com/wineries/australia/mclarenvale/shingleback/images/shingleback_shiraz.jpg)  (http://www.volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/thorne-clarke-shotfire-ridge-shiraz-2003.jpg)
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Post by: sound67 on September 13, 2007, 11:09:02 AM
How long do you usually keep your Shiraz'es before you drink them? Just bought 6 bottles of the highly rated Mitolo GAM Shiraz of 2004 (95 Parker points), and I wonder whether it makes any sense to drink some of it now.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 13, 2007, 02:28:55 PM
How long do you usually keep your Shiraz'es before you drink them? Just bought 6 bottles of the highly rated Mitolo GAM Shiraz of 2004 (95 Parker points), and I wonder whether it makes any sense to drink some of it now.

Thomas - I no longer subscribe to Parker, so have not read the reviews on the wine above, but sounds like a GREAT choice w/ that rating; with a half case, I'd first look at Parker's review for his suggestions & also give the wine a 'taste' myself (an extra bottle purchase or 1 of the 6 bought), and then make a decision on whether to wait, how long to wait, and then try another bottle in several years depending on your initial impressions - I like my 'reds' younger & tannic (rather than 'over the hill').

In general, I don't keep my Aussie Shiraz wines that long - as stated before I'm drinking the '02 & '03 in my cellar at the moment, so 5-6 years of age would be my limit on most of the ones I purchase; again would depend on the wine and my first impressions - for the less expensive ones which likely are ready to consume immediately, not much 'wait' if any is needed; for the more expensive, tannic, & extracted ones, I might wait a few years.  I guess my 'bottom line' is that for the shiraz that I buy locally, I'll rarely save them beyond their 5-6th vintage year.

But, if you give that one mentioned a taste, please comment - I'd be curious on your own opinions regarding aging these wines.   :D
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Post by: sound67 on September 14, 2007, 07:25:08 AM
Thanks for the tips. I am going to compare some flagship Shirazes (Rosemount's Balmoral Syrah, d'Arenberg's The Dead Arm and Ben Glaetzer's Mitolo) later this year, I don't think I can get the Shotfire Ridge here.

Meanwhile, ...

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Weingut MANZ Grüner Silvaner 2006 QbA (Germany, Rheinhessen), € 6-7,-

Another recommendation from a local wineseller. This Silvaner (a grape once hugely popular in Germany, but now making a comeback) can be compared to some Sauvignon Blanc(s) from RSA and Australia. Lively acid balances the intense fruit flavors (green apple, predominantly), a wine that would go well with many dishes since it is strong and mouth-filling. Unfortunately, I don't cook, so it has to stand on its own, which it does. Great mineral notes, too.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 14, 2007, 10:19:17 AM
Now this. Hmmmmmmhhhh....

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d'Arenberg The Noble Riesling 2002 (AU, McLaren Vale), € 16/half-bottle

Positive proof that there are outstanding sweet wines from down under. Raisins and oranges on the nose, and on the palate, with sufficient acid not to make it appear too sweet. Long-lasting finish. Mouth-filling, heavy, elegant, GREAT!

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 14, 2007, 04:11:15 PM
Now this. Hmmmmmmhhhh....
d'Arenberg The Noble Riesling 2002 (AU, McLaren Vale), € 16/half-bottle.............................

Thomas - that wine looks just delicious!  :P  I've some d'Arenberg Shiraz (have one in the cellar) which has been quite good!

But for those of you who love Aussie wines - the latest book by James Halliday Wine Atlas of Australia (2006) is a MUST acquisition - CLICK on the image for comments - about a third through the book - just outstanding maps, beautiful pictures, concise descriptions of the wine zones/regions, brief descriptions of some of the major wineries, etc. - this is not a guide to picking current wines, but a reference book by the current best writer from this country!

Unfortunately for me, a vast majority of these wineries do not even ship to my area - however, for those who have access to Australian wines, this is a great reference - highly recommended!  8) :D


(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/11ETCN7DS0L._AA180_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Wine-Atlas-Australia-James-Halliday/dp/0520250311/ref=sr_1_1/102-6608891-8512969?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189817515&sr=1-1)
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Post by: sound67 on September 16, 2007, 01:40:48 AM
I'll be looking for that book...  :D

Meanwhile, another French white

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Domaine Bellevue Paul Buisse Touraine Sauvignon Blanc (F, Val de Loire), € 6-8


Upon recommendation from another wine shop here in Frankfurt. This SB reveals its full range of fruit (melon, ananas, apple) and acid best when drunk at 10-11°C, below that it would seem a trifle bland. A fruity one again, just as I prefer my SB's, if not quite on the level of NZ SB's at their best.

Thomas
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 17, 2007, 08:48:38 AM
Recent purchases:

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On vacation with relatives two weeks ago we stopped at Schloss Johannisberg in the Rheingau for lunch and to sample wines, and stood at the top of the very steep Würzgarten vineyard in Ürzig on the Mosel:

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I bought a six-pack of the Johannisberger 2005 Erstes Gewächs (first growth), €32 a bottle. The Dr. Loosen Kabinett I found in the base exchange at Ramstein Air Base near Kaiserslautern: $15 a bottle, one of the most expensive (for this quality level) wines in Germany.

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Also from the base exchange:

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The Gundlach Bundschu is a Bordeaux (Pomerol specifically) style blend: 74% Merlot, 23% Cabernet Sauvignon, 2% Cab Franc and 1% Petit Verdot. A delicious wine redolent of cedar, chocolate, cherries. $20 a bottle.

The Zin from Green & Red is a monster, nearly 15% alcohol. I haven't tasted it yet. $23.

Sarge



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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 17, 2007, 04:47:02 PM
On vacation with relatives two weeks ago we stopped at Schloss Johannisberg in the Rheingau for lunch and to sample wines, and stood at the top of the very steep Würzgarten vineyard in Ürzig on the Mosel:

I bought a six-pack of the Johannisberger 2005 Erstes Gewächs (first growth), €32 a bottle. The Dr. Loosen Kabinett I found in the base exchange at Ramstein Air Base near Kaiserslautern: $15 a bottle, one of the most expensive (for this quality level) wines in Germany.

The Gundlach Bundshu is a Bordeaux (Pomerol specifically) style blend: 74% Merlot, 23% Cabernet Sauvignon, 2% Cab Franc and 1% Petit Verdot. A delicious wine redolent of cedar, chocolate, cherries. $20 a bottle.

The Zin from Green & Red is a monster, nearly 15% alcohol. I haven't tasted it yet. $23.


Sarge - WELCOME BACK!  Glad to see you posting in the wine thread - Thomas & I seemed to be having a 'personal exchange', so love to see others in the mix!  ;D

Hope that you had a great vacation - all of those wines look outstanding - wish that I could sample them - Dave  :D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 18, 2007, 06:12:29 AM
Sarge - WELCOME BACK!  Glad to see you posting in the wine thread

Thanks, Dave. We had some great wine on our travels. In France we drank mostly local wines from appellations almost unknown outside the Auvergne (west of Burgundy, south of the Loire region). The wine was inexpensive, delicious, and complimented the local food well. We did splurge once on a great Chapoutier Hermitage one evening when we ordered Charleroi filets.

While exploring the Mosel we based ourselves in the Ruwer Valley and had superb dry Riesling from the top Ruwer estates: Maximin Grünhaus, Karlsmühle and Karthäuserhof-Tyrell.

Bavaria and Austria: beer all the way  8)

Sarge
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Post by: Harry on September 19, 2007, 06:05:24 AM
Jack Daniels number seven, nothing better against oncoming depression
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Post by: sound67 on September 19, 2007, 09:19:41 AM
Yesterday:

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Neil Ellis Shiraz 2003 (RSA, Stellenbosch), € 12-14
Kloster Eberbach Rauenthaler Riesling QbA (Germany, Rheinhessen), € 7


After my good experiences with Neil Ellis' Sauvignon Blanc I tried their 2003 Shiraz (the regular, not the "Vineyard Selection"). Decanted, it turned out to be solid effort: strong blackberry on the nose, of medium body with substantial white pepper and a good finish.

The second is the regular ("classic") Riesling from Kloster Eberbach, one of Germany's most notable winemaking companies, Hessische Staatsweingüter. Raunethal is one of their highest-rated vineyards. A florid Riesling, too, very fruity, a bit lacking in acid. Will try one of their Kabinett or Spätlese selections some time.

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 19, 2007, 09:41:47 AM
Posted on the previous page about just adding the Shingleback Shiraz 2004 to my cellar, now have vertical vintages from '02 to '04 - think the '05 may have been released recently -   :D

Last night we had dinner @ a colleague's house, and I brought the Shingleback '02 Shiraz, but I noticed that a tremendous sediment had developed (been in my cellar untouched for 2 1/2 yrs or more) - so I decanted the wine, cleaned the bottle, replaced the 'now clear' decanted wine, & re-corked; at dinner, the wine was just superb, still quite dark w/ tons of fruit, but just mellow (despite a high alcohol content) - these wines are getting 90+ ratings, but I'll plan to keep them for a couple of years -  :)

(http://www.liffordwineagency.com/wineries/australia/mclarenvale/shingleback/images/shingleback_shiraz.jpg)
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Post by: sound67 on September 20, 2007, 03:17:07 AM
Yesterday...

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GLEN CARLOU Pinot Noir 2004 (RSA, Paarl), € 13 (Photo shows the 2003 vintage)
2004 - Gold: Veritas Award 2005
2004 - Gold Medal: Classic Wine Trophy 2005
2004 - Bronze - International Wine & Spirit Competition, London, 2005
2004 - John Platter: 4 Stars


One of South Africa's most celebrated winemakers produces this excellent Pinot Noir (along with their year's-best-Syrah of 2004, which is also in my "cellar") with strong black cherry on the nose and palate. It is matured in large, 700l barriques, which accounts for subtler-than-usual oak and roast notes - which suits me fine!  :)

Normally I'm not a great fan of this particular grape (the best I ever drunk was a Fetzer Barrel Select Pino Noir), but I tried the GC for my father before I was going to present him a couple of bottles - and it was a good thing, too, because my trader falsely advertised this wine as "semi-dry" (Germans differentiate between dry, semi-dry, smooth ("lieblich") and sweet wines), which it most certainly is not. While smooth in finish it is nothing like the German variety "Spätburgunder" in its semi-dry incarnation - the dishwater style my father likes so much  $:) So while a very good wine, it is totally unsuitable for the purpose for which I bought it.

Which is just as well. I liked it a lot.  ;D

Today I got a boatful of sweet wines from my favorite trader of "overseas" brands. Two more bottles of the d'Arenberg The Noble Riesling 2002 which I mentioned earlier, as well as two each of these bad bastards:

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ELDERTON Botrytis Semillon 2003, € 14 (375ml)
YALUMBA The Noble Pick Botrytis Viognier 2004, € 16 (375ml)


And what appears to be the most famous sweet wine from South Africa:

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KLEIN CONSTANTIA Vin de Constance 2000, € 36 (500ml)

And a few regular dry whites from RSA, AU and NZ:

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KAURI BAY Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (NZ, Marlborough), € 9-10
BABICH Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (NZ, considered superior to the company's Hawke's Bay), € 10-11
d'ARENBERG The Last Ditch Viognier 2005 (AU, McLaren Vale/Adelaide Hills), € 12-13
KLEIN CONSTANTIA Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (RSA), € 10-12

And a red from RSA that is supposed to be great:

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VERGELEGEN The Flagship 2001 (RSA, cuvée), € 45

One bottle, of course...  :'(

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 22, 2007, 03:14:39 AM
Of these, I tried the Klein Constantia SB first

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KLEIN CONSTANTIA Sauvignon Blanc (RSA, Constantia), € 10-11
John Platter, "The South African Wine Guide": 4 Stars

Directly from the wine fridge, at about 9-10°C this wine seemed a little flat. Fruity at first (melon and grapefruit over gooseberry), but with very restrained acid and a short finish. After the first glass I put it in the regular fridge, at about 7°C, and ironically the acidity seemed to be more noticeable, without of loss of fruit, and the finish improved. Maybe I'm deluded here, but that was my distinct impression.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on September 22, 2007, 05:51:47 AM
(http://www.darenbergwines.co.uk/acatalog/lastditch.jpg)
d'Arenberg The Last Ditch Viognier 2005 (AU, McLaren Vale & Adelaide Hills), € 12-13
Robert Parker: 88 points ("‘Cut from the same mould as the Money Spider, with more apricot, peach, and tropical fruit characteristics, is the fresh, lively, medium-bodied 2005 The Last Ditch Viognier. This excellent, well-endowed Viognier sells for a song.’)

Difficult to compare this Viognier with the three I sampled before (Trentham Estate's and Yalumba's "Y" from Australia and the Chateau de Campuguet from France), since d'Arenberg's take on this florid grape features more pronounced oak notes than the others (Trentham's and Yalumba's aren't oaked at all, the CdC more subtly). The oak deepens rather than lessens the impact of the fruit flavors (contrary to what some people suggested on the web) and make this Viognier a more complex, "meatier" experience than the specimen quoted above. The variety of flavors also includes ginger, which may make it appear "perfumed" to people not inclined to viognier. A mouth-filling, characterful wine that can stand on its own.

Thomas

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Post by: sound67 on September 23, 2007, 03:42:38 AM
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ELDERTON Botrytis Semillion 2003 (AU, Barossa Valley), € 14/375ml
Silver Medal – NZ Liquorland Top 100, 2004
Bronze Medal- Cairns Wine Show, 2004
Bronze Medal – Perth Royal Wine Show, 2004


Quite different from the d'Arenberg The Noble Riesling. Very heavy, concentrated, even oily texture, aromas of apricot and honey, subdued acid. I tried this with aromatic cheese (molded variety with mushrooms) at first, which only emphasized its sweetness. Then with very dark, smoky chocolate (80% cacao) which worked better, as it elevated the underlying citric notes, giving the wine a little edge.

Not as sophisticated as the (slightly more expensive) d'Arenberg, but a good, intense sweet wine.

Thomas
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on September 23, 2007, 05:37:30 AM
How do Rhine Rieslings compare with the Alsace ones?
My favourite white wines are the alsatian gewürztraminer or pinot gris. Then the rieslings
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Post by: The new erato on September 23, 2007, 05:42:30 AM
How do Rhine Rieslings compare with the Alsace ones?
Difficult to answer as the style in Alsatian Rieslings tend to be all over the place concerning eg sugar, and there is no sweetnessbased apellation in Alsace. At least in Germany you have the predikat + trocken markings to go by. As a general rule the Rheingaus are more austere and minerally.
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Post by: sound67 on September 28, 2007, 10:24:16 AM
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KAURI BAY Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (NZ, Marlborough), € 9,-

An unbelievable bargain! Fruity, powerful, mouthfilling SB with citrus notes but not too much acid.

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 28, 2007, 04:40:05 PM
Of these, I tried the Klein Constantia SB first
KLEIN CONSTANTIA Sauvignon Blanc (RSA, Constantia), € 10-11
John Platter, "The South African Wine Guide": 4 Stars

Directly from the wine fridge, at about 9-10°C this wine seemed a little flat. Fruity at first (melon and grapefruit over gooseberry), but with very restrained acid and a short finish. After the first glass I put it in the regular fridge, at about 7°C, and ironically the acidity seemed to be more noticeable, without of loss of fruit, and the finish improved. Maybe I'm deluded here, but that was my distinct impression.


Thomas - thanks for all of those great pics & descriptions of wines in your previous post - would love to give many a try if available to me - I've often had the Babich Sauvignon Blanc (Marlborough ships here) - recent vintage quite good!

I like your description on how these wines can change w/ temps - I usually keep a number of 'whites' in my basement fridge (not sure what the exact temp might be but probably standard USA) for 'quick' selection, when first removed, the wines are too cold, so I love to drink them over a period on an hour or so and many 'warm up' w/ more interesting & pleasant aromas & less acidity (which 'coldness' seems to accentuate) - but just a thought for those concerning 'chilling' of wine - the right temp can make a big difference and these wines will vary depending on their type, vintage, etc.  :D

I've had a bunch of wines since my last postings; currently sipping on a McManis '06 Viognier - I love exploring this grape because it never seems to quite be good enough on many attempts, but when done well, the wine can be just attractive w/ all of the special features described by Thomas; the McManis option is from California & quite inexpensive ($9 for me locally); unoaked & with complex fruit, esp. of the 'tree' variety (pears, apricots, etc.) - check out thier Web Site (http://www.mcmanisfamilyvineyards.com/show/xmlsite/xml-standard.xml/xsl-vintage.xsl/start_id-ocpnccihffldfhhakijldifimaogigfjkfbmbdcm/), if interested!   
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Post by: sound67 on October 02, 2007, 09:13:07 AM
The above-mentioned Klein Constantia SB btw I will not buy again. The first bottle was unimpressive, the second corked. :(

Meanwhile, after the very good KAURI BAY, now on to something truly excellent:

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PALLISER ESTATE Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (NZ, Marlborough), € 15
http://www.palliser.co.nz/notion/site/templates/reviews_popup.asp?pid=114

Forceful SB with peach, grapefruit and lemon on the palate. Good acidity and very appealing mineral notes make this a complex wine, the finish is rewardingly long. Shows that it never hurts to spend a few bucks more if you want to move from good to very good.

Thomas

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Post by: sound67 on October 07, 2007, 08:00:41 AM
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DR. HEGER Grauburgunder "Oktav" Kabinett 2006 (Germany, Baden), € 10

Heger is a well-established winemaker in the Baden region, his company is mentioned favorably in the Johnson Wine Guide. This Pinot Gris is a "Qualitätswein mit Prädikat" and comes off as a likably complex white with substantial mineral notes and dominating apple aroma. A full-bodied, powerful Grauburgunder with a pretty long finish. Should work with many dishes.

Thomas
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 07, 2007, 09:03:05 AM
Last night, Murphy-Goode Merlot 2002 - sitting in the cellar for about 2 1/2 yrs - small amount of sediment, so needed to be decanted; still quite flavorful w/ dark berry aromas but also some bottle bouquet - just have a bottle left (will probably let it sit for another year or so); LOML cooked up some buffalo rib-eye steaks + sauteed broccoli - wine was great w/ that dish!  :)

But I'm not buying much California Merlot these days - the offerings from that state are becoming rather expensive for the better rated producers and the prices have just escalated, similar to cabernets (and their blends); I'm finding better value in searching out the Washington State & Chilean merlots; in fact, the most recent Columbia Crest 'Grand Estates' Merlot that I bought for the cellar was the 2004 vintage @ $11/bottle (90 rating in Wine Spectator - just an outstanding bargin).

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Post by: sound67 on October 07, 2007, 01:57:14 PM
I bought a couple of bottles of the Grand Estates Cabernet Sauvignon 2003 recently. Was well received in some quarters, and trades for around 11 € here. There is a cheaper variety, called "Two Vines", at € 8.

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WARWICK ESTATE Professor Black Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (RSA, Stellenbosch), € 13

An excellent and individual SB from South Africa, all "fire and brimstone", so to speak. A very, very dry white, whith plenty of bite - but not as obviously acidic as e.g. the NZ "Nautilus" SB I drank earlier. Very good value for those who e.g. like especially mean-and-lean Riesling,

Thomas
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Post by: Kullervo on October 07, 2007, 02:08:57 PM
My 21st birthday is coming up. Anyone have any recommendations for a reasonably-priced wine that can easily be found in the supermarket or elsewhere? :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 07, 2007, 03:02:09 PM
My 21st birthday is coming up. Anyone have any recommendations for a reasonably-priced wine that can easily be found in the supermarket or elsewhere? :)

Corey - from your profile, you live in Florida - should be plenty of choices for wine!  :D

What 'type' interests you (red, white, sparkling, etc.) and 'how much' do you want to spend - certainly a special time!  :)
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Post by: Kullervo on October 08, 2007, 07:29:55 AM
Corey - from your profile, you live in Florida - should be plenty of choices for wine!  :D

What 'type' interests you (red, white, sparkling, etc.) and 'how much' do you want to spend - certainly a special time!  :)

Of the wine that I've tasted in the past I've always liked dry red wines the most. Anything in that area under, say, $20?
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Post by: Brewski on October 08, 2007, 07:51:21 AM
If you like Australian shirazes, you should be able to find a good selection of them by producers like Rosemount, Yalumba, Jacob's Creek, Penfolds and Tyrell's, all very reasonably priced (e.g., $10-15).

And heartiest congratulations!  Will there be special music to accompany the wine?  :D

--Bruce
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Post by: Kullervo on October 08, 2007, 07:53:19 AM
If you like Australian shirazes, you should be able to find a good selection of them by producers like Rosemount, Yalumba, Jacob's Creek, Penfolds and Tyrell's, all very reasonably priced (e.g., $10-15).

And heartiest congratulations!  Will there be special music to accompany the wine?  :D

--Bruce

Thank you. I really know nothing about wine, but I have an excuse. Now I have the chance to find out.

No music with dinner, my family doesn't do classical and I don't really like background music. :D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 08, 2007, 08:16:45 AM
Of the wine that I've tasted in the past I've always liked dry red wines the most. Anything in that area under, say, $20?

Corey - I would certainly second Bruce's suggestion of Australian Shiraz - these wines are often excellent value, but can vary from lighter types to much more 'hearty' wines that might need a few years of aging (check my post a page or so back on an aged 'Shingleback' from down under!); California Zinfandel is another good value choice but these can be rather alcoholic (14-15% in some) - 'Seghesio' makes a good one each year; Pinot Noir, esp. from Oregon, is a fav of mine; also consider some of the South American reds from Chile (Cabernet & Merlot & Argentina (Malbec) - these latter are outstanding value; and, finally that 'Columbia Crest' Merlot is not a bad choice for the price, esp. if you're just getting into drinking red wine - might not want one that is too extracted w/ a lot of tannins that need to mellow.

I would suggest visiting a 'good' local wine shop - see what's available, get some advice, and pick up a couple of bottles - good luck & congrats!  :D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 09, 2007, 05:12:17 AM
I don't really like background music. :D

Consider Telemann...that was his reason for being  ;D

Sarge
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Post by: sound67 on October 12, 2007, 10:03:27 AM
Four days, four different reds:

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KILIKANOON Killerman's Run Shiraz 2003 (AU, South Australia) (photo shows 2002 vintage), € 14
CHAPEL HILL "The Vicar" 2001 (AU), € 22
REES MILLER Thousand Hills Late Harvest Shiraz 2003 (AU) (only the vinyard's label is available), € 14
TERRAMATER Reserva 2004 Shiraz (Chile) (photo shows 2000 vintage), € 15

Very different reds, it turns out. The KILIKANOON is a superb bang for the buck: fully loaded all blackberry taste, beautifully concentrated, long finish (92 Parker Points!). CHAPEL HILL's "The Vicar" is a multiple-grapes blend (48% of it Cabernet), and the only one for which decanting is mandatory (which I found out the hard way by not decanting it - with the effect that the white pepper notes were almost pervasive). I fell asleep, and after three hours it was perfect - blackberry, black currant flavors, still a good dose of white pepper, very complex wine - excellent! I ordered a further two bottles the next day, to do this beautiful wine more justice the next time around.

The REES MILLER needs no decanting, but it also a very complex and multi-leveled Shiraz (100%). Less obviousky blackerry-dominated than the KILIKANOON, again with black currant present, too, and some liquorice. The latter is even more pronounced in what is perhaps the "heaviest" of the bunch, Chile's TERRAMATER Reserva Shiraz. This is a wine that tells you to go to sleep after drinking a bottle of it.

Thomas


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Post by: sound67 on October 13, 2007, 12:38:37 PM
(http://www.avenuevine.com/movabletype/archives/Brampton06Shiraz-w.jpg)
RUSTENBERG WINES Brampton Shiraz 2005 (RS; Stellenbosch), € 7 (!)
John Platter, 4 Stars (South African Wine Guide)

Actually, a blend of Shiraz (90%), Mouvédre, Grenache and Viognier. On the softer side, with a little pepper and liquorice, but overall a very smooth wine that betrays its low price. The much-advertised "complexity" though, isn't really there.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on October 14, 2007, 09:53:16 AM
Mount Nelson Sauvignon Blanc 2006 (NZ, Marlborough) again, excellent wine!

Thomas
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 17, 2007, 03:47:36 PM
A very inexpensive Dao from Portugal, Meia Encosta 2005. Very fruity (a portuguese given), with solid yet elegant tannins. Super deal for an everyday red.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 17, 2007, 05:44:56 PM
Hello Thomas & Andre - just returned from a 5-day trip to Philadelphia (medical meeting) - had some superb seafood lunches & dinners (will report in the 'food thread') - drank all whites w/ most meals, nothing special (wine by the glass but plenty of selections) - did mainly Sauvignon Blancs (California, Chile, & New Zealand) & Pinot Grigios (from various sources) - all just fine & excellent value; also had some Scharffenberger sparkling wine w/ a wonderful crab salad @ the Four Seasons hotel for lunch one day - just superb (had to have a second glass!) -  :D
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 18, 2007, 06:54:35 PM
Piont grigio is a wonderful cépage. We happily downed a bottle of an italian PG recently, over chicken breats in a parmesan cheese crust. Classy and plain delicioso !
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Post by: Heather Harrison on October 20, 2007, 02:28:43 PM
I have neglected to pay attention lately to which vintages are best.  Recently, I found out that 2003 was a top year in the northern Rhone region, and I bought two bottles of Cote-Rotie (one of my favorite red wines).  Naturally, I couldn't wait so I drank one of them almost immediately.  Guigal's 2003 Cote-Rotie Brune et Blonde is the best I have had so far of this wine, which I have bought regularly in recent years.  It is powerful and complex, and it should last for many years if stored properly.  This is their basic offering of Cote-Rotie; they also have more expensive bottlings.  The other Cote-Rotie that I bought was Guigal's 2003 "Chateau d'Ampuis".  I have never tried this premium version, but it usually gets very good reviews, and 2003 was supposed to be a great year for it.  I'm going to try to hold onto this one and age it for a while, but I might get tempted and drink it.  The problem with Cote-Rotie is that it drinks well young, so it can be hard to resist the temptation.  So far, I've never been able to hold onto a bottle for more than a few weeks.

I should probably buy more of these before they disappear from the store.

Heather
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 20, 2007, 07:48:06 PM
I have neglected to pay attention lately to which vintages are best.  Recently, I found out that 2003 was a top year in the northern Rhone region, and I bought two bottles of Cote-Rotie (one of my favorite red wines).  Naturally, I couldn't wait so I drank one of them almost immediately.  Guigal's 2003 Cote-Rotie Brune et Blonde is the best I have had so far of this wine, which I have bought regularly in recent years.  It is powerful and complex, and it should last for many years if stored properly.  This is their basic offering of Cote-Rotie; they also have more expensive bottlings.  The other Cote-Rotie that I bought was Guigal's 2003 "Chateau d'Ampuis".  I have never tried this premium version, but it usually gets very good reviews, and 2003 was supposed to be a great year for it.  I'm going to try to hold onto this one and age it for a while, but I might get tempted and drink it.  The problem with Cote-Rotie is that it drinks well young, so it can be hard to resist the temptation.  So far, I've never been able to hold onto a bottle for more than a few weeks.

Heather - thanks for the reviews of some recent (and likely 'expensive') Northern Rhones from Cote-Rotie - although I absolutely love the Syrah grape, I stopped buying these wines a while back - not that because the ratings are ofter superlative, but the prices just seem outrageous for a bottle of the best rated ones - have been looking for Syrahs from 'elsewhere', e.g. Australia (Shiraz - much variety & price variation), California & Washington State, and now even coming out of South America - not that I can't afford a few bottles of these Northern Rhones, but rather buy 3 or 4 bottles of highly rated Syrahs from other countries for the price of these French offerings - hardly buy any French wine @ the moment, but used to be quite a purchaser of the grape from this country - think they are in trouble! Cheers, as usual - Dave  :D
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Post by: The new erato on October 20, 2007, 11:46:22 PM
I have neglected to pay attention lately to which vintages are best.  Recently, I found out that 2003 was a top year in the northern Rhone region, and I bought two bottles of Cote-Rotie (one of my favorite red wines).  Naturally, I couldn't wait so I drank one of them almost immediately.  Guigal's 2003 Cote-Rotie Brune et Blonde is the best I have had so far of this wine, which I have bought regularly in recent years.  It is powerful and complex, and it should last for many years if stored properly.  This is their basic offering of Cote-Rotie; they also have more expensive bottlings.  The other Cote-Rotie that I bought was Guigal's 2003 "Chateau d'Ampuis".  I have never tried this premium version, but it usually gets very good reviews, and 2003 was supposed to be a great year for it.  I'm going to try to hold onto this one and age it for a while, but I might get tempted and drink it.  The problem with Cote-Rotie is that it drinks well young, so it can be hard to resist the temptation.  So far, I've never been able to hold onto a bottle for more than a few weeks.

I should probably buy more of these before they disappear from the store.

Heather
Have had the Ch d'Ampuis 99 - a top rated vintage - twice. Both bottles were corked!

Yesterday: A really superb Cornas Granite 60 2004 frem Vincent Paris. All the usual Syrah trappings, blood, camphor, meat, aniseed, smoke were in place on top of superb, firm tannins with an outstanding length. First bottle (though I've tried it before) from a 6-pack.
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Post by: The new erato on October 21, 2007, 05:15:47 AM
Some Côte-Rôties for Heather and SargeantRock:

Guigal Brune et Blonde 2000
Nice notes of camphor and blood. Hints of tree bark (not cork!), quite firm with nice bite, quite accessible. Easygoing and not the greatest of vintages. Nice.

Guigal Brune et Blonde 1999
Obviously greater and slightly closed. Deeper, more meaty and more red berries on the fruit. Acidic and longer length. Young and primary.

Bernard Burgaud 2005
Reticent nose, this is young. Lots of stuffing with quite warm fruit and liquorice. Promising.

Bernard Burgaud 2000
Red berries, camphor and vanilla on the nose. Quite round mouthfeel, good concentration. Soft in the mouth. Fruity length with fine acidic finish, slightly rustic.

Bernard Burgaud 1999
Perhaps he best vintage of this wine ever? Very well focused with good balance in the finish, lots of dry extract. Whiffs of tobacco and cool forest. Long and very good.

Bernard Burgaud 1996
Meat and leather, intense red fruits. Light style in the mouth, but well balanced. Slightly dry in the finish, don’t hold. A good effort in a non-prime vintage.

Bonnefond Cote Rozier 2001
Cool nose, but slightly sweet fruit in the mouth. Noticeable camphor/aniseed with distinct notes of recently boiled raspberry jam. Acidic and burgundian style, but this wine is quite particular and I’m not convinced.

Gangloff La Barbarine 2001
More meaty/bloody this, cool fruit, sour cherries and quite accessible. Fruity, fine tannins, drinks well, Wonderful on the nose, somewhat meagre in the mouth, good  but I would have preferred more intensity.

Villard La Brocarde 2001
Dark fruits with black olives, medicinal, very fine fruit and balance. Fine acids, very good wine.

Ogier Les Embruns 2001
Raw meats, somewhat tarry. Good structure, slightly muted nose. Needs time.

Jamet 2001
Quite oaky. I am sceptical about the increasing oakyness of Jamets wines, in fact, this is the first wine of the tasting I find overoaked and I don’t remember previous vintages being as oaky young. Closed and lots of stuffing, this obviously needs lots of time, time will tell what happens to the oak which makes this wine hard to evaluate. I have lots and keep my fingers crossed.

Gerin Champin le Seigneur 2000
Slightly lacking in midpalate, typical 2000 lightness, but nice and floral and typical camphory and meaty nose. Drink now I guess.

Jamet 1997
Mature.Camphor and medicinal (bank-aids). The slight note of coffee this wine has had is vanished, well integrated oak I guess. Cool style with wonderful and firm length, very good wine.
 
Jamet 1998
Substantially more primary with blackberries and cool fruit, wonderfull, fruity (red berries) finish. Great.

Delas Seigneur de Maugiron 1998
Very “painted” style with hints of butterscotch. Dry, probably overoaked. Noticeably raisiny on the finish.

J M Stephan 2004
Incredibly reductive out of the bottle. With air very concentrated and pure, cool fruit in a traditional style. Long.

J M Stephan VV 2004
Not as reductive initially. Minerally and complex, lots of red fruits, very linear and pure. Outstanding.

Chapoutier La Mordoree 1989
Beautiful balance. Some smoked meats, exotic woods and spices. Lots of aniseed on the taste, some vanilla. Creamy, burgundian style, velvety.

Chapoutier La Mordoree 1991 mag
Quite similar to the 89. But younger and with lots of sweet cherries on the fruit, simply outstanding. Very fresh.

Jasmin 88 and Guigal Ch d’Ampuis 99 were corked. The last one for the second time out of two! A Chave Hermitage 85 was also noticeably tainted ed by a suspicious cork

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on October 21, 2007, 06:30:39 AM
Thanks for all of the notes; I'll remember this if I happen to run across any of them.  Cote-Rotie is getting rather expensive, but I find the style to be unique and when I get a craving for it, nothing else will do, so I have to pay the price.  Unfortunately, the weak U.S. dollar doesn't help matters.  The 2003 Brune et Blonde was about $80.  A few years ago, this wine went for about $50.  I have always bought it from the state-owned wine stores in Salt Lake City.  Prices could be different elsewhere.  Of course, the 2003 was an especially good vintage, so that probably contributed to the higher price.  Still, I'm tempted to get more so that I can have some to sit on for a few years.

Have had the Ch d'Ampuis 99 - a top rated vintage - twice. Both bottles were corked!

That's a shame.  I've never tried the Chateau d'Ampuis, but I have always heard good things about it.  Hopefully I'll be able to wait a few years before drinking the 2003 that I just bought, and hopefully it won't be corked.  Given that the quality of corks has been going down, I suppose that is a risk.  I'm glad winemakers are investigating alternatives to the venerable old cork; newer technologies (synthetic stoppers; screw caps) may turn out to be more reliable.  I'm not attached to the tradition of the cork if something better can be found.

Heather
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Post by: sound67 on October 21, 2007, 10:30:10 AM
Earlier today: Trentham's biggest-bang-for-the-buck 2005 Premium Range Viognier again (and agan, and again).

And not too shabby a German Riesling now:

(http://www.derweinfreund.de/images/jung1.jpg)
Jakob Jung, Erbacher Steinmorgen Kabinett 2006 (Germany, Rheingau), € 10-11

Very fruity, with peach notes dominating. Moderate minerality, a smooth and silky Riesling. I don't like the mean-and-lean ones anyway.  ;D

My first one with a glass cork.

Thomas
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Post by: sound67 on October 28, 2007, 11:13:22 PM
(http://www.dewitwines.be/shop/images/sophenia%20malbec.jpg)
FINCA SOPHENIA Malbec 2004 (ARG, Mendoza), € 13

Excellent: A smooth, silky, and powerful 100% Malbec, made in the Mendoza valley with assistance from France's wine expert Michel Rolland. A wine at once elegant and intense.

Thomas

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Post by: bwv 1080 on November 02, 2007, 06:21:03 AM
thought this review of studies on wine tasting was quite amusing:

http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/the_subjectivity_of_wine.php

The rules of the wine tasting were simple. Twenty five of the best wines under twelve dollars were nominated by independent wine stores in the Boston area. The Globe then assembled a panel of wine professionals to select their top picks in the red and white category. All of the wines were tasted blind.

The result is a beguiling list of delicious plonk. But I was most interested in just how little overlap there was between the different critics. In fact, only one wine - the 2006 Willm Alsace Pinot Blanc from France - managed to make the list of every critic. Most of the wines were personal favorites, and appeared on only one of the lists.

So much for objectivity. But results like this shouldn't be surprising. I've blogged about this before, but it's such a cool experiment that it's worth repeating. In 2001, Frederic Brochet, of the University of Bordeaux, conducted two separate and very mischievous experiments. In the first test, Brochet invited 57 wine experts and asked them to give their impressions of what looked like two glasses of red and white wine. The wines were actually the same white wine, one of which had been tinted red with food coloring. But that didn't stop the experts from describing the "red" wine in language typically used to describe red wines. One expert praised its "jamminess," while another enjoyed its "crushed red fruit." Not a single one noticed it was actually a white wine.

The second test Brochet conducted was even more damning. He took a middling Bordeaux and served it in two different bottles. One bottle was a fancy grand-cru. The other bottle was an ordinary vin du table. Despite the fact that they were actually being served the exact same wine, the experts gave the differently labeled bottles nearly opposite ratings. The grand cru was "agreeable, woody, complex, balanced and rounded," while the vin du table was "weak, short, light, flat and faulty". Forty experts said the wine with the fancy label was worth drinking, while only 12 said the cheap wine was.

What these experiments neatly demonstrate is that the taste of a wine, like the taste of everything, is not merely the sum of our inputs, and cannot be solved in a bottom-up fashion. It cannot be deduced by beginning with our simplest sensations and extrapolating upwards. When we taste a wine, we aren't simply tasting the wine. This is because what we experience is not what we sense. Rather, experience is what happens when our senses are interpreted by our subjective brain, which brings to the moment its entire library of personal memories and idiosyncratic desires. As the philosopher Donald Davidson argued, it is ultimately impossible to distinguish between a subjective contribution to knowledge that comes from our selves (what he calls our "scheme") and an objective contribution that comes from the outside world ("the content"). Instead, in Davidson's influential epistemology, the "organizing system and something waiting to be organized" are hopelessly interdependent. Without our subjectivity we could never decipher our sensations, and without our sensations we would have nothing to be subjective about. In other words, we shouldn't be surprised that different people like different bottles of cheap wine.
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Post by: toledobass on November 02, 2007, 09:22:37 AM
I've been enjoying a Syrah made by Qupe.  Soft and very delicious.

The wife brought home a bottle called seven deadly zins and we popped it open last night.  Deep and rich fruit no real tannins.  I loved it.


Allan
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Post by: sound67 on November 07, 2007, 12:03:07 PM
(http://www.waitrosewine.com/jl_assets/product/230201295.jpg)
EXCELSIOR ESTATE Paddock Shiraz 2005 (RSA, Robertson) € 7-8,-

Great value! An inexpensive but powerful, concentrated, full-bodied 100% Shiraz from South Africa. Black cherry and chocolate aromas dominating on the palate. The best >10€ red I have ever tried!

Thomas
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on November 17, 2007, 07:21:01 AM
I normally shy away from american, australian and south african wines. My experience with those I can afford is that they are extremely concentrated and lack fruit and subtlety. The better wines are out of my price range here in Quebec. Prices are set by a government agency that impose hefty taxes. This effectively puts good wines way out of reach of the regular customer. That's too bad because wine experts write glowingly of some of those products that are in the 30-60$ range, double the price I see south of the border. That's nuts!

For that kind of stuff I'll go for a Cahors, which are priced around 15-20$.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 17, 2007, 01:37:19 PM
Andre - yes, I feel the PAIN!  I subscribe to three wine publications - Wine Spectator, Conn. Guide to California Wine, & the California Grapevine, and over the years, wines (esp. the reds) that I use to routinely buy from California (and in the price ranges you mentioned) are now just outrageously priced, many over $100 per bottle!  For the red wines, I've migrated to the lesser varieties from the non-North Coast regions of California, Washington State for merlots, and Oregon for pinot noirs (although these are not cheap!); I'm also exploring South America, Chile (cabernets & merlots) and Argentina (malbec), much more - some excellent wines at outstanding prices. 

But a couple of 'inexpensive' wines tried the last few nights - Babich Sauvignon Blanc 2007 - just released & superb value; I've had several other '07 New Zealand SBs which are beginning to ship into my area - these wines are just 6 months old but wonderfully tart and bursting w/ tropical fruit flavors.  Another inexpensive wine, and from California, is the new J Lohr Seven Oaks Cabernet 2005 from the Central Coast (Paso Robles) - lot of good reds coming from that area of California and at good prices; I'll likely pick up some extra bottles of both of these; although, the cabernet is drinking fine now, a year or so in the cellar should soften the tannins!  8)

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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 19, 2007, 07:52:34 PM
Well has been over a month since the last post to this thread although I've been enjoying wine on a just about a nightly basis!  ;D

But just received two wine books that might interest some:

Washington Wines & Wineries by Paul Gregutt (CLICK on both images for Amazon comments) - this book was highly recommended also in one of my wine periodicals (Conn. Guide to CA Wines).

The World Atlas of Wine by Hugh Johnson & Jancis Robinson - now 6th edition!  I've owned every one from the start (1971) - if you just want one book on wine from around the world w/ plenty of pics & maps, this would be my recommendation - not detailed nor tasting notes, but just a wonderful vinous tome to peruse!  ;D

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51orfzDdS9L._AA240_.jpg)   (http://www.amazon.com/Washington-Wines-Wineries-Essential-Guide/dp/0520248694/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198121566&sr=8-1)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5191NqbILpL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/World-Atlas-Wine-Completely-Revised/dp/1845333012/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198122077&sr=1-1)
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Post by: Mozart on December 20, 2007, 09:38:23 PM
Elias just drank a bottle of 2 buck chuck :) BTW how do you take the damn cork off without a corkscrew? I pushed it downwards and it exploded all over my face.. haha
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 21, 2007, 07:37:10 AM
Elias just drank a bottle of 2 buck chuck :) BTW how do you take the damn cork off without a corkscrew? I pushed it downwards and it exploded all over my face.. haha

Elias - LOL!  ;D  At least the wine was only $2 Chuck rather than a 20 year-old Grand Cru Bordeaux!  ;) :D

Well, to answer your first question buy a corkscrew!  I would suggest a 'waiter's type' (although there are dozens of various options), like the one below (left pic) - important features:  1) cutter for the foil; 2) long helical screw (don't buy any w/ a solid metal core); and 3) hinged attachment that provides counter-pressure; the metal ones are cheap (usually $5 or less), but expensive options are available - I've owned a Laguiole one (similar to the pic in the middle below but w/ a bone handle).

Also own a 'cork extractor' (like the one shown in the right image) - just insert into the bottle, grab the cork, and remove - I've only had to use this a couple of times (usually w/ aged bottle & older corks) - if you have a funnel (esp. one w/ a metal mesh filter) & a decanter, you can always just decant the wine - have done that before!  The emergence of screw tops will be interesting - corkscrews may become 'museum pieces'!  ;) :)

(http://www.davidstuff.com/wine/corkscrew.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y6XZCK2GL._AA280_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Lex9MUrTL._AA280_.jpg)
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Post by: Mozart on December 21, 2007, 12:57:33 PM
Awesome, those tools seems pretty complicated though. They should get ride of the corkscrew altogether! Screw tops sound terrific.  ;D
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on December 21, 2007, 08:45:40 PM
I've made my wine shopping for the Christmas supper: Asti spumante with no nothing, then Big House Red (California) with the patés. SüdTirol Gewurztraminer for the crab pie appetizers. With the stuffed turkey I chose a 2003 Bandol. There follows a Champagne and a 2001 (sweet) red Banyuls for dessert and cheese. Santa Pizza! Methink I may be too eclectic, but we'll see what gets the biggest plaudits!
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Post by: uffeviking on December 21, 2007, 08:56:30 PM
André, were on earth did you get the Südtiroler? In a local store, I suppose, wouldn't be so lucky and find it at an internet store. Do I ever envy you, but then it couldn't happen to a nicer person than you. Enjoy it!  :-*
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on December 21, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
Liebling, this Südtiroler gewurztraminer is a newish (late 2006) addition to our benevolent state monopoly for wine, alcohol and liquors supply. It's the 2006 vintage. My local wine guide gave it a very high rating, citing its classical and almost aristocratic bearing, much in contrast to the prevalent free for all that plagues this vintage ("almost clownish in its unbridled exuberance" - a statement that I totally agree with). I love gewurztraminer, an unbelievably wild and spicy vintage. But the acknowledged alsatian stars fetch a very high price and are more or less a curiosity one can only taste when visiting. What's exported is for the tourists ::). So, when this was recommended to me I checked out its credentials and immediately snatched the prize! The euro price is about 8-10, but here what with additional taxes it's almost 20$. Still, a very reasonable price considering.
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Post by: Mozart on December 24, 2007, 07:18:04 PM
Turns out we did have a corkscrew after all. Just curious, how many drinks are they in a bottle of wine? I know it has like 750 ml...but how much is that in booze terms? Like 6 beers is 6...  ;D

I did my own math somehow and I got that a bottle of wine is equal to 6 beers. Is this so? Terrific so i can drink a bottle and I wont get alcohol poisoning right?
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on December 24, 2007, 10:01:43 PM
I don't know what you mean by alcohol poisoning, but a bottle of wine is quite enough to intoxicate seriously. Half a bottle within 60 minutes and you're busting the balloon  $:). The equivalent of a 5% beer is a 125ml glass of 13% wine (that's roughly half a cup, or 4 ounces).
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Post by: Mozart on December 24, 2007, 10:49:03 PM
I don't know what you mean by alcohol poisoning, but a bottle of wine is quite enough to intoxicate seriously. Half a bottle within 60 minutes and you're busting the balloon  $:). The equivalent of a 5% beer is a 125ml glass of 13% wine (that's roughly half a cup, or 4 ounces).

Yes I have discovered this tonight :)

I dunno about wine, it's not the same intoxication as other alcohols. Ok another question :) How long can you leave a bottle of wine open for? Is there a certain pace you should drink at or is ok just to gulp it down?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 25, 2007, 08:23:45 AM
Turns out we did have a corkscrew after all. Just curious, how many drinks are they in a bottle of wine? I know it has like 750 ml...but how much is that in booze terms? Like 6 beers is 6...  ;D

Well, make sure that the corkscrew is a good one!  A bottle of wine has the above amount you quote which translates into about 24 oz - in restaurants in the USA, a 'pour', i.e. glass of wine is usually 4 - 6 oz; the typical 'medical' definition of a 'glass of wine' is 5 oz - thus, a 'bottle' of wine will provide 4 to 6 glasses depending on the amount poured; BTW - a 5 oz glass of wine is equivalent (alcohol content) to 12 oz of beer (of course, this will vary considerably depending on the beer) or 1.5 oz of 80-proof liquor.

The metabolism of alcohol (i.e. ethanol) is primarily done in the liver at a fixed rate, regardless of 'how much' or 'how fast' you consume the chosen liquid (of course, this will also vary w/ sex & genetic factors) - if interested, take a look HERE (http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/alerts/l/blnaa35.htm); the graph is quite instructive - e.g. a glass of wine in a restaurant will be metabolized completely in 2 hrs.

Concerning your question on an 'open' bottle of wine, there is no single response - depends on a lot of factors; for 'better' red wines, decanting & aeration will often improve the wine, so leaving the bottle open for a number of hours will not be a problem; I have a lot of empty 'half' bottles of wine, so I'll pour wine into the half bottles & put on a stopper - this will keep the oxygen out, and red wines will not be harmed for a number of days; these can also be placed in the frig for further protection, but I'll usually try to consume these half bottles w/i a couple of days -  :)
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Post by: MishaK on December 25, 2007, 06:53:50 PM
Drinking right now one of my recent favorites: Lagrein Gries 2004 from Cantina/Kellerei Terlan. Lovely rich, smoky, plummy red from Alto Adige/Südtirol.

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Post by: SonicMan46 on January 10, 2008, 05:49:13 PM
Well has been over a month since the last post to this thread although I've been enjoying wine on a just about a nightly basis!  ;D

But just received two wine books that might interest some:

Washington Wines & Wineries by Paul Gregutt (CLICK on both images for Amazon comments) - this book was highly recommended also in one of my wine periodicals (Conn. Guide to CA Wines).

The World Atlas of Wine by Hugh Johnson & Jancis Robinson - now 6th edition!  I've owned every one from the start (1971) - if you just want one book on wine from around the world w/ plenty of pics & maps, this would be my recommendation - not detailed nor tasting notes, but just a wonderful vinous tome to peruse!  ;D

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51orfzDdS9L._AA240_.jpg)   (http://www.amazon.com/Washington-Wines-Wineries-Essential-Guide/dp/0520248694/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198121566&sr=8-1)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5191NqbILpL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/World-Atlas-Wine-Completely-Revised/dp/1845333012/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198122077&sr=1-1)

Well, quoting myself in this thread again, but 'what the hey'!  The book on Washington State Wineries was excellent! Of all of the states in the USA, I see this one making the most substantial advances in the near future (CA will of course always be a challenge!) - and w/ the possibility of 'global warming' (if you believe in that issue?), southern CA will likely become a dessert, and wine growing/making will shift to the north - in the Northwest, WA State, Oregon, & British Columbia in Canada will become major wine growing areas by the mid-century (of course, if you accept 'global warming'?).  ;)

Just started reading the newest edition of the World Atlas of Wine by Johnson & Robinson - I've owned every edition and each keeps improving!  This one is better than the others - again, I could easily recommend a dozen 'beginning' books on wine, but this would be in a 'short list' of my first 2-3 choices!

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Post by: toledobass on January 10, 2008, 06:43:15 PM
While in NYC I picked up some 2005 Gnarly Head Old Vine Zin from Bacchus (http://www.bacchusnyc.com/index.php).  Also shared a nice bottle of Ravenswood Lodi Zin over an enjoyable, liesurely lunch with Mr. Hodges.

Allan
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Post by: Mozart on January 15, 2008, 09:23:55 PM
How do you enjoy wine? Are you one of those persons that tries to guess whats in the wine? I bought more 2 buck chuck today and it says Valdiguie, and it's rather tasty, specially when you mix it with mentos. But I don't really see a huge difference from the cabaret 2 buck chuck except this one tastes a little better. What is it exactly that you enjoy, or how do you do it?
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Post by: toledobass on January 16, 2008, 09:32:34 AM
How do you enjoy wine? Are you one of those persons that tries to guess whats in the wine? I bought more 2 buck chuck today and it says Valdiguie, and it's rather tasty, specially when you mix it with mentos. But I don't really see a huge difference from the cabaret 2 buck chuck except this one tastes a little better. What is it exactly that you enjoy, or how do you do it?

What I find enjoyable out of a glass of wine is how it makes me slow down.  If I can sit down to concentrate on how the wine interacts in the mouth it can be a really interesting and engaging process.  This includes how it feels in the mouth,  how the flavor develops, how many stages there are to the flavor,  what happens to the wine when it's been in the glass for 10 minutes..........and the nuances all of that entails.  While I don't have a great palette or any sort of wine vocabulary, just paying attention to what happens with the wine leads me to find what it's character is and perhaps what is unique to that wine.

That kind of effort doesn't happen with every glass of wine I drink though.  Sometimes I just simply enjoy a glass of wine that I've had before and would like it with what ever I'm eating, because it enhances the meal.  Or it might be the way a bottle of wine brings together a few friends for some conversation.


Allan
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Post by: Brewski on January 16, 2008, 09:43:12 AM
While in NYC I picked up some 2005 Gnarly Head Old Vine Zin from Bacchus (http://www.bacchusnyc.com/index.php).  Also shared a nice bottle of Ravenswood Lodi Zin over an enjoyable, liesurely lunch with Mr. Hodges.

Allan

 :D  Sorry, missed this post.  I enjoyed that Ravenswood Zin, too (always reliable, IMHO).  And thanks for the reminder about Bacchus, which is just a little north of where I usually hang out, so I don't often think of stopping in there. 

--Bruce
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Post by: Brewski on January 16, 2008, 09:48:31 AM
What I find enjoyable out of a glass of wine is how it makes me slow down.  If I can sit down to concentrate on how the wine interacts in the mouth it can be a really interesting and engaging process.  This includes how it feels in the mouth,  how the flavor develops, how many stages there are to the flavor,  what happens to the wine when it's been in the glass for 10 minutes..........and the nuances all of that entails.  While I don't have a great palette or any sort of wine vocabulary, just paying attention to what happens with the wine leads me to find what it's character is and perhaps what is unique to that wine.

That kind of effort doesn't happen with every glass of wine I drink though.  Sometimes I just simply enjoy a glass of wine that I've had before and would like it with what ever I'm eating, because it enhances the meal.  Or it might be the way a bottle of wine brings together a few friends for some conversation.


Allan

My experience with wine is similar.  I'm not a connoisseur by any means, but I greatly enjoy exploring wines from all parts of the world.  I've also had some great experiences at restaurants, trusting the sommelier to make suggestions.  Inevitably, if I'm honest with him or her about price range, I get great recommendations.

But as for "how" to enjoy it, I'd say just slow down...really slow down, and enjoy it.  One of life's great pleasures is a good meal, with good wine and good friends that lasts say, three or four hours.  Most of us may not have that much time to devote to a meal but it is really worth doing say, once or twice a month.  (And keep those Mentos away from the bottle... :o)

--Bruce
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Post by: SonicMan46 on January 16, 2008, 12:39:51 PM
How do you enjoy wine? Are you one of those persons that tries to guess whats in the wine? I bought more 2 buck chuck today and it says Valdiguie, and it's rather tasty, specially when you mix it with mentos. But I don't really see a huge difference from the cabaret 2 buck chuck except this one tastes a little better. What is it exactly that you enjoy, or how do you do it?

E.L.I.A.S. - you've already received some good suggestions - drinking & savoring wine before, with, and after a meal is the best way to enjoy the beverage.  Sharing wine w/ friends, attending wine tastings, and reading about wines are certainly other options - I can (and I'm sure others) recommend some 'basic' books to get you started, just reply here! 

One of the best ways to start understanding the 'world' of wine is an appreciation & knowledge of the more famous grape varietals, i.e. their origins (many in France) and their spread to other parts of the globe, e.g. the two most important blending grapes for red Bordeaux are Cabernet Sauvignon & Merlot, thus tasting wines from other parts of the world (like California & Chile) made from these same grapes will provide some interesting comparisons; the two important grapes in Burgundy are Chardonnay & Pinot Noir, so sampling these types of wines will provide a similar experience - I could go on w/ other examples, but I feel this is one of the best ways to learn about wines.

Regarding tasting, just a starter course - think ABCs, i.e. A=appearance (look at the wine & appreciate its colors & clarity); B=breathing (smell the wine, esp. after the liquid has been swirled in an appropriate wine glass); C=consume (sip the wine, let the liquid roll around in your mouth - different types of taste buds are located on various parts of your tongue, e.g. sweetness @ the tip & bitter in the back); and s=swallow (swallow the wine and evaluate the aftertaste).  Of course, there are whole chapters (and even books) on this topic - and nothing is better than personal experience!

Finally, if you really want to learn about the numerous aspects of wine, continuing to drink $2 Chuck will not provide the experience needed -  ;).  If you can afford a few more bucks, check out wines w/ varietal labels, i.e. named after the grape - plenty of inexpensive ones around that should get you started.  Good luck in your vinous quest -  ;D
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Post by: Brewski on January 16, 2008, 01:06:47 PM
Finally, if you really want to learn about the numerous aspects of wine, continuing to drink $2 Chuck will not provide the experience needed -  ;).  If you can afford a few more bucks, check out wines w/ varietal labels, i.e. named after the grape - plenty of inexpensive ones around that should get you started.  Good luck in your vinous quest -  ;D

To me one of the great myths about wine is that quality wines are very expensive.  There are tons of bottles around in the $10 range (hey, the price of a movie) that will give you much more pleasure than the $2 one(s).  Just one example: one of my favorites is Wyndham Estates Bin 555 (http://www.wyndhamestate.com/our_wines/index.htm), a deep-flavored Australian Shiraz, and at least here in NYC you can find it for around $10 or even less.

--Bruce
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Post by: BorisG on January 16, 2008, 01:38:01 PM
To me one of the great myths about wine is that quality wines are very expensive.  There are tons of bottles around in the $10 range (hey, the price of a movie) that will give you much more pleasure than the $2 one(s).  Just one example: one of my favorites is Wyndham Estates Bin 555 (http://www.wyndhamestate.com/our_wines/index.htm), a deep-flavored Australian Shiraz, and at least here in NYC you can find it for around $10 or even less.

--Bruce

Right you are about inexpensive wines, and the value is rapidly getting better. We are now seeing quality grape for $10 to $15, that was in the $20 to $40 range a couple of years ago. Grape glut or competition? We will just have to wait and see.

I found early on that most Australian reds provide me with an unpleasant medicinal taste. I still like Australian Chardonnay.

For the past few years I have almost exclusively used Argentine reds.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 05, 2008, 11:15:05 AM
Whoa...this topic had slipped to page six. That just won't do!

For the first time in quite some time Mrs. Rock and I went serious wine shopping. We bought single bottles to test and if we like them, we'll go back and buy by the case:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/gm2/P2052372.jpg)

From left to right:

Australia - Bleasdale Vineyards Langhorne Crossing 2004, a Cab/Shiraz €6.20
Australia - Bleasdale Vineyards Frank Potts Langhorne Creek 2005, Cab/Shiraz from old vines €18.20
New Zealand - Shepherds Ridge Sauvignon Blanc 2007 €13.50
Argentina - Finca el Diamante Cab/Malbec 2004 €7

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on February 09, 2008, 03:32:28 PM
Sarge - we've slipped to the third page again, so must do an update!  ;D  Those wines shown on your recent post look great & right up my alley -  :D

For me this month, doing a 'sampling' of my 1995 Bordeaux, which were bought as 'futures' in '96 and delivered in 1998, so have been sitting in the basement cellar for 10 years; purchased 3 half cases of the following (purchased price first, and current web listing prices adjacent):

1995 Ch. Leoville Barton (St. Julien) - $32 futures price in '96 - now, $120-$168 range in USA

1995 Ch. Branaire Ducru (St. Julien) - $21 futures price in '96 - now, $60-$120 range in USA

1995 Ch. Lafon Rochet (St. Estephe) - $21 futures price in '96 - now, $43-$115 range in USA

Note - pics don't necessarily match the years; as I would expect the Leoville Barton, being a 2nd classified growth has escalated the most in price - having that one tonight w/ some veal!  ;D

(http://www.vintagewinespecialists.com/site/finewinespec/images/items/chateau%20leoville%20barton.jpg)  (https://www.verysecure.co.uk/directresponse/dunimages/thumbs/branaire-ducru.jpg)  (http://www.thewinedoctor.com/images/lafonrochetlabel.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 09, 2008, 04:19:52 PM
Sarge - we've slipped to the third page again, so must do an update!  ;D  Those wines shown on your recent post look great & right up my alley -  :D

We drank the Sauvingnon blanc last night. Mrs. Rock made her famous Shrimp with lemon grass. The food paired beautifully with the wine. We drank the cheap Cab/Shiraz tonight with a beef stew. I was mightily impressed! A real bargain. I'm definitely buying a case of this.


1995 Ch. Leoville Barton (St. Julien) - $32 futures price in '96 - now, $120-$168 range in USA

That's my favorite Bordeaux. Consistently good, even in off-vintages, and reasonably priced....at least compared to most other second growths. Unfortunately, even the price of this wine escalated beyond what I was willing to pay. The last time I invested in a case was in '93, the '91 vintage. A wonderful wine, one of the best of that vintage. As M would say, I chose wisely  ;D I'm rationing them though; drinking a bottle about once every two years since they matured.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 09, 2008, 05:39:21 PM
....That's my favorite Bordeaux. Consistently good, even in off-vintages, and reasonably priced....at least compared to most other second growths. Unfortunately, even the price of this wine escalated beyond what I was willing to pay. The last time I invested in a case was in '93, the '91 vintage. A wonderful wine, one of the best of that vintage. As M would say, I chose wisely  ;D I'm rationing them though; drinking a bottle about once every two years since they matured.

Sarge - yes, my exact feeling as bolded above - the prices have become outrageous - the last 'futures' that I bought were from the 2000 vintage, but have not purchased any further - as w/ you, I'm just infrequently drinking the Bordeaux that I have remaining in the cellar - looking for better value & bargains in reds at the moment (and as we know, there are plenty of excellent offerings, luckily!) - Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 14, 2008, 02:34:10 AM
Great article about the legendary '47 Cheval Blanc:

http://www.slate.com/id/2184371/


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on February 14, 2008, 05:51:54 AM
2005 Chateau du Lort Bordeaux with dinner last night.  The price is good but the wine is little on the lighter side for me.


Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 14, 2008, 07:49:09 AM
Great article about the legendary '47 Cheval Blanc:

http://www.slate.com/id/2184371/


Sarge - thanks for the link - looks like it's time to sell your house & buy a few bottles of the '47 Cheval Blanc!  ;) :D

Last night did a little comparative tasting w/ dinner, which included buffalo filet mignon cooked medium rare.  Sampled what was left of the '95 Lafon Rochet (pictured a few posts back) & opened a newly bought bottle of a decent 2006 Malbec from Argentina - YES, quite a contrast, but both went quite well w/ the filet!  Argentenian Malbec is becoming a favorite 'red wine' of mine - usually excellent value - this one will be a lot smoother w/ 2-3 yrs of age - the Bordeaux was in 'ideal' shape -  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on March 16, 2008, 07:49:05 PM
While the Mrs. was singing out in Sacramento, she used a day off to go out to wine country and ended up visitng the Peju winery and signed us up for the wine club.  We'll be getting something every 3 months and we're expecting our first shipment any day now.  I'll report on what we get and what we try when it arrives.

Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on March 20, 2008, 02:12:58 PM
Tried the 2005 Estate Cabernet-Napa Valley from Peju.  I enjoyed it very much and so did the wife.  She's generally not a big fan of the fuller bodied wines,  but the tannins in this aren't overwhelming.  It's a deep rich fruit that rounds out to some sort of earthy flavor then finishes off with a licorice or toffee kinda thing.   Can't wait to try the next 2 bottles that were delivered.  A 2005 Merlot-Napa Valley and A 2006 Provence-North Coast were also delivered.


Allan 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 08, 2008, 04:49:46 PM
Well, again the 'wine thread' has been inactive too long!  :o  :D

I've been drinking a lot of wines since my last posting, but we're such an 'international' community that it is not easy to make regional or even country recommendations because of availability; but, over the last few days, wife & I have been sipping on a Muscat dessert wine called EOS, 2007 vintage from a winery of the  - SAME NAME (http://www.eosvintage.com/unistore/product-info.fsp?fsp:unistore:product-id=mbjhbfcnpefejocbfpggjjhemkmphgjpgddbdioi&return-to=/unistore/dessertwines.fsp) - made from late harvest muscat grapes (same grape as in Italian Asti Spumanti & Beaume de Venise from the southern Rhone region) - absolutely delicious wine @ a good price - not sure about the availability even in the USA (picked up my bottle @ Costco) - but if you see this wine on the shelf & like dessert offerings, give it a try!  ;D

(http://www.eosvintage.com/externals/36/463bd7fb6c0cad7ef33cbf084c83d677bd05a4.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: uffeviking on May 09, 2008, 08:53:41 AM
It was my lucky day to go shopping for wine in my favorite super market, a Northwest chain, diverse inventory and great service. There were three men standing in the wine isle and one of them, in civilian clothes, not the Top Foods uniform, asked me what I was looking for and offered his help. Another one of the group of three, the store manager, introduced the civilian as a representative of a national wine distributor company. He located my regular Kiona Lemberger, but only 5 bottles left and we joked about the necessary half a dozen. I took advantage of his knowledge and asked him to acquaint me with a change in my taste, how about at Pinot Noir. This is what he recommended and then I learned that huge amounts of juices from France and Germany are being shipped to the US for bottling by our wineries. The Europeans have too much juice, we don't have enough to fill the growing demand, easy solution: ship the juice across the Atlantic in vats big enough to fill a swimming pool!

Now I have a bottle of Pinot Noir from grapes grown in the SW of France and bottled by HMR Rex-Goliath in California. - $9.99 minus $1.40 store discount, and I shall tell you what it's like as soon as I tasted it! -  :D

http://www.rexgoliath.com/rexgoliath/catalog/view_product.jsp?product_id=1005&cat_id=1
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on May 09, 2008, 07:06:33 PM
A full report is expected once you've sobered up, Lis  ;D (I mean, a swimming pool load of pinot noir... ::)).

Meanwhile, I have to be content with the discounted 3L pack of Fish-Eye, an australian shiraz. Not bad, good fruit and some wood. When I'm done woth it I'll indulge again in the nice and veeeeeery affordable Albernoas alentejano red (form Portugal). 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: uffeviking on May 09, 2008, 07:21:46 PM
(I mean, a swimming pool load of pinot noir... ::)).


But André, at $9.90 minus the discount, how could I refuse?  ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on May 21, 2008, 05:23:51 PM
The last wine I drank was a bottle of "Peak White", a proprietary blend from Pahrump Valley Winery.  This winery is located in Nevada, about an hour away from Las Vegas.  I visited there in February, and I found the wine to be of high quality and they had an excellent restaurant, which was quite welcome given that there is little else in Pahrump.  They get their grapes from California and Oregon, but they have planted some zinfandel nearby, and that should do well in southern Nevada's hot climate.  http://www.pahrumpwinery.com/

There are wineries in many unexpected locations.  Next week, I am taking a road trip to explore some of the flat states.  I'll be staying in Sioux City, Iowa, most of the time.  I have found that there are numerous wineries within two hours' drive of Sioux City, and I plan to check out as many as I can.  I'll probably come back with many bottles of wine from Nebraska, South Dakota, Iowa, and Minnesota.  The wines of the northern plains states exhibit a distinctive regional style.  Since they cannot grow the standard European wine grape, they plant European/American hybrids that have unique flavors.  This type of wine may not be to everybody's taste since it often exhibits hints of the distinctive flavor of Welch's grape juice.  In some (i.e. concord wine) that flavor is quite strong, but in others it is barely detectable.  I have found these wines to be the perfect match with certain traditional American foods, such as barbeque, big juicy (and preferably bloody-and-mooing) steaks, and Thanksgiving dinner.  I am almost out of wine from this region, so it is time to stock up.  These wines are seldom available outside of the states where they are made, so one must visit to try them.  I'll report back with recommendations on the best ones I encounter.

Next time you take a road trip through any part of the United States, search the web for wineries.  You might be surprised at how many there are.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bunny on May 22, 2008, 05:47:36 AM
One type of wine that I have always loved, but which seems to be somewhat neglected these days (although it has its devoted fans) is unfortified dessert wine.  I'm curious to find out if there are others here who love these very sweet wines.

So has anyone else discovered these sweet wines?  If so, please post recommendations.

Heather

Although my taste in German wine underwent a radical realignment about 17 years ago (I basically lost my sweet tooth) I still love those concentrated, ultra-sweet categories: Beerenauslese, Trockenbeerenauslese, and Eiswein. I also love the French equivalents, especially those wines from Barsac and Sauternes. I pulled some individual bottles from their cases and racks and had them pose in front of the Bordeaux:

Pride of the pack is probably a rare 1976 Scheurebe Trockenbeerenauslese from a vintner friend of ours who lives in the next village north of us, and, of course, my Chateau d'Yquem:


I could never afford...or rather, would be unwilling to spend the money for one of the great vintages but the 87 d'Yquem was still mind-bogglingly delicious (we only have one bottle left of the six we purchased in 1993) and, at 250FR a half-bottle, "relatively" cheap.

You're right about the current neglect. In some ways these wines are like classical music: only appreciated by a small minority with specialized taste: even in Germany they're a hard sell. My problem now is I have no one to share them with. Mrs. Rock has completely lost her taste for even moderately sweet wine and we have no friends or relatives who are interested in these great bottles. I'm forced to drink them alone...poor, poor, pitiful me ;D

If you ever get to Germany, Heather, we'll open that last 87.

Sarge

Well, I love these wines and have for many, many years.  Heather, Chateau d'Yquem became a favorite of mine after a night in college when we feasted on Roquefort cheese accompanied a couple of bottles.  It was much less expensive then because, if you can believer this, sweet wines were not fashionable!!!

Sarge, if I'm ever in Germany, I'll be sure to look you up so that I can sample some of those trockenbeerenausleses! 


I recently discovered an American wine which stands up to the European wines from the Philip Togni Vineyard (http://www.philiptognivineyard.com/main.html).  It's made from a varietal called the Black Hamburgh grape (also called golden Hamburg, Black Hamburg or Black Muscat).   It had been cultivated in South Africa where it was used to produce the popular 18th and 19th century Constantia wine.  It produces the only unfortified red desert wine in existence.  It's really very special and so far the prices are not killer.  The production is very limited, so it's easier to order directly from the vineyard because it's distribution is so small.

(http://www.philiptognivineyard.com/images/lgca_togni_label.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 22, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
...............Next time you take a road trip through any part of the United States, search the web for wineries.  You might be surprised at how many there are.

Heather - thanks for the info on the Nevada winery (just was in Las Vegas a few years ago!) - as you likely know, virtually all states in the USA are currently making wine (not sure all from grapes?) - but as you state above, for those interested in wine, check out wineries in the states you plan to visit.  For example, in my area, Virginia & North Carolina have probably about 150 wineries in toto!  And, please post here for recommendations regardless of 'where' you plan to visit since we have forum members from so many areas!   ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on May 22, 2008, 03:41:47 PM
(not sure all from grapes?)

There are many wines that are made from something other than grapes, and they are often found at these out-of-the-way wineries.  Wine is frequently made from apples, pears, peaches, cherries, many types of berries, plums, rhubarb, honey, and dandelions.  In the region near Grand Junction, Colorado, there are numerous fruit orchards; some of the wineries there make use of the fruit.  Cherry wine is a specialty of that region.  There is a winery in Mt. Pleasant, Utah, that makes dry wine out of a variety of fruits.  I'm sure I will encounter a number of fruit wines in the plains states.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 22, 2008, 03:53:55 PM
Although I live in North Carolina w/ a rapidly emerging wine industry, I have not posted many comments or recommendations: 1) the wines are unlikely available beyond the borders of this or adjacent states, and 2) the wines are pretty average or even poor (esp. the reds) @ best - now there is likely a great future, but will take a while to decide which 'grapes' are best in this area & 'how' to make the wines!

But, just recently I visited a local winery near my home town of Winston-Salem (Piedmont North Carolina) - Westbend (first vines planted about the time my son was born in 1973) - made a recent visit to the winery and tasted the '05 Chardonnay (barrel fermented) - sampling some @ the moment!  This wine is SHOCKINGLY good!  I would probably rate it in the high 80s (or B+) in a blind tasting - actually there was such a tasting @ a local restaurant in town, and the 'blind' tasters preferred the wine over a California Kistler Chardonnay - not BAD!

Guess my point is that these North Carolina (and Virginia) wines continue to improve, so if you plan a visit to the mid-Atlantic states & enjoy tasting wines, please visit some of the wineries; both states have plenty of info on the web & guides to the wineries - if you plan to visit my area (i.e. Piedmont NC, the only NC AVA is currently the Yadkin River Vly) - my suggestions are:  1) Westbend; 2) Shelton (Dobson, NC); 3) RayLen Vyds; and 4) Childress Winery (Lexington) - all are near Winston-Salem; please 'report back' if you do visit - I'd be interested in your thoughts!  :D

(http://www.southernseason.com/graphics/newsletter/westbendbarrels.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 22, 2008, 04:00:08 PM
There are many wines that are made from something other than grapes, and they are often found at these out-of-the-way wineries.  Wine is frequently made from apples, pears, peaches, cherries, many types of berries, plums, rhubarb, honey, and dandelions.  In the region near Grand Junction, Colorado, there are numerous fruit orchards; some of the wineries there make use of the fruit.  Cherry wine is a specialty of that region.  There is a winery in Mt. Pleasant, Utah, that makes dry wine out of a variety of fruits.  I'm sure I will encounter a number of fruit wines in the plains states.

Hi Heather - of course, you know that I'm well aware of this distinction -  ;) ;D  But for me, a true traditionalist , real wine is made from grapes, and specifically the Vitis vinifera species; now I might accept the American varietals & even the hybrids, but please don't call any fermented products made from other than Vinifera species a wine!  :D  Just kidding, of course, but still my basic feeling! Dave  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bunny on May 24, 2008, 11:23:02 AM
There are many wines that are made from something other than grapes, and they are often found at these out-of-the-way wineries.  Wine is frequently made from apples, pears, peaches, cherries, many types of berries, plums, rhubarb, honey, and dandelions.  In the region near Grand Junction, Colorado, there are numerous fruit orchards; some of the wineries there make use of the fruit.  Cherry wine is a specialty of that region.  There is a winery in Mt. Pleasant, Utah, that makes dry wine out of a variety of fruits.  I'm sure I will encounter a number of fruit wines in the plains states.

Heather

This reminds me of my childhood when we would sneak tastes of blackberry wine (delicious) and Slivovitz (firewater distilled from sloes) at Passover. 

Btw, have you ever seen "Arsenic and Old Lace"?  Perhaps a little elderberry wine might be appropriate. ;)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 26, 2008, 02:30:43 PM
New Zealand 2007 Sauvignon Blanc (SB) - for those interested in a light, 'sour apple', refreshing white wine, the '07 SBs from New Zealand are arriving, so I'm sampling 'many' at the moment - these are made in fairly large volumes and are available at excellent prices; two just added two to my cellar:

Drylands & Kim Crawford - ignore pic dates - talking about 2007 offerings - both from Marlborough (top of the southern island), where a vast majority of these varietal NZ wines are made - about $15 each in my area (ratings are 88 & 91, respectively, in the Wine Spectator); plenty of others now (or coming) - enjoy!  :D

(http://www.volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/images/drylands_marlborough_sauvignon_blanc_2005.jpg)  (http://winesnob.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/kim_crawford_sauvignon_blanc_2006.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 26, 2008, 03:13:40 PM
Well, I love these wines and have for many, many years.  Heather, Chateau d'Yquem became a favorite of mine after a night in college when we feasted on Roquefort cheese accompanied a couple of bottles.  It was much less expensive then because, if you can believer this, sweet wines were not fashionable!!!

Sarge, if I'm ever in Germany, I'll be sure to look you up so that I can sample some of those trockenbeerenausleses! 


Please do! I have a dozen or so in the cellar (and a half dozen bottles of sauternes too, including d'Yquem) but no one to drink them with. Mrs. Rock detests sweet wines and our friends here aren't into them either.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on June 02, 2008, 01:16:28 PM
I'm back from the flat states, and I found a lot of good wine.  So far, I have a few recommendations.

Sugar Clay Winery (western Iowa).  Cedar Ridge Red (blend of Chambourcin, St. Vincent, and Frontenac).  It is a very flavorful and fruity dry red wine.  It is light-bodied, similar to a lighter style of pinot noir (albeit with different flavors).  I bought a few other wines from this winery (including their award-winning Cynthiana).  The Loess Hills region of Iowa, where a few wineries (including this one) are located, is probably worth watching; it seems to be an ideal location to grow hybrid grapes.  http://www.sugarclaywinery.com/index.html

Valiant Vineyards (southeastern South Dakota).  Vermillion Red.  This wine is made from a blend of hybrid grapes grown in South Dakota.  It is very aromatic, much like a Chianti, but has its own unique flavor.  Another interesting wine is the Wild Grape wine, a dry red made from wild Vitis riparia grapes picked on the Rosebud Indian Reservation.  For something made from wild American grapes, it has a surprisingly smooth and balanced flavor.  Their "Ameritage" series of dry red wines was made in 2004, 2005, and 2006 to commemorate the Lewis & Clark expedition.  It is a blend of wild South Dakota grapes with grapes imported from the west coast.  All three were good, but I liked the 2005 best; it is very flavorful and complex, and well-balanced.  Finally, for those who like sweet red wines with a bit of foxy flavor, their "Sweet Red" is a very good choice.  Any wine-lover who visits Vermillion (perhaps to see the excellent music museum) should check out this winery.  http://www.buffalorunwinery.com/

Morgan Creek Vineyards (southern Minnesota).  Saint John Reserve (blend of Millot and Marechal Foch).  This dry red has a good aroma, but it needs time to open up.  At first, it doesn't taste like much, but a wonderful spicy flavor gradually emerges after it has breathed for a few minutes.  Drink this wine slowly; it will reward patience.  http://www.morgancreekvineyards.com/

I tasted many others and found many good ones.  I'll post more recommendations in the future.  In general, I see a lot of potential in the regions near the Missouri River.  The nearby hills provide good places to grow grapes, and the river probably has a significant effect on the climate.  The wineries have learned how to make good use of the hybrid grapes that grow well in this area, and some are beginning to investigate the unique characteristics of small regions.  Perhaps the concept of terroir is beginning to develop here.  I encountered one wine with the regional label "Pierce County" (Nebraska) that was made from a new hybrid developed specifically for the climate there; after I have drunk a bottle I will post a review.

Perhaps sometime in the future, this region will be "discovered", possibly when a wine from a forgotten location near the Missouri River gets a 90-point rating and the critics begin to take notice.  I would like to see what happens in a few years as the best wineries match varietals to particular microclimates.  This wine region is still a work in progress, and there is a lot of experimentation going on, but every time I visit I see signs of improvement.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 02, 2008, 03:43:52 PM
I'm back from the flat states, and I found a lot of good wine.  So far, I have a few recommendations......

I'm back from the flat states, and I found a lot of good wine.  So far, I have a few recommendations........

Heather - thanks for that wonderful summary of your recent wine experience in the ´flat states´!

We have a trip planned to Jackson Hole in September - planning to visit the National Parks, but also I'm looking forward to sampling some of the wines of the surrounding states, such as the Snake River area of Idaho - have had only a few wines from Idaho, but many seem to receive great reviews!

But, the same 'learning process' is happening in North Carolina - now have over 60 wineries here, many centered around the Yadkin River AVA (the first and still only 'American Viticultural Area' in the state) - microclimate adaptations will be very important - personally, I think the more southern European/Mediterranean grapes will likely be the 'stars of the future' - Pinot Grigio & Syrah are two that I'm predicting will be commonplace; however, hybrids (and even the American varietals) have a future here - exciting stuff!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on June 02, 2008, 04:44:24 PM
Idaho has a lot of good wine.  Since I live nearby, I have encountered it often.  Most of the wineries are concentrated near Boise, which is some distance from Jackson.  There is a little wine shop in Pocatello that sells a selection of Idaho wines, and I would guess that stores in Idaho Falls sell it too, but I haven't searched that city for wine yet.

Wyoming and Montana have very few wineries, but it is probably worth watching these states in case more appear in the coming years.  However, the climate isn't exactly ideal even for hybrid grapes, so I would be surprised if world class wines emerge any time soon (unless they are made from imported grapes).  Utah has a few, but onerous state laws make it difficult to start up and sustain a winery.  Given that parts of Utah are suitable for European wine grapes, there should be a more robust wine industry here.

Given that the other states in the region have their problems, Idaho wine is probably your best bet.  Enjoy your trip.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 21, 2008, 07:26:51 AM
Well,  not much activity here most of June -  :o  Of course, the summer is a nice time to sip on some chilled whites or roses -  :D

Earlier this week, I received a half-case order from the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/Categories.bok?category=Wine%3AOregon+Whites) - usually order my Oregon Pinot Noirs from them, but whites are offered, esp. this time of the year.

Arrivals included an Oregon winery new to my 'taste buds' - Owen Roe - purchased a mixed half case of their 2007 Pinot Gris & Riesling - both refreshing & delightful (would rate them in the high 80s) - a little pricey (particularly w/ S&H added to North Carolina); but the Pinot Gris that I've enjoyed from Oregon have been just excellent -  :)

(http://www.cellartracker.com/labels/69758.jpg)  (http://www.cellartracker.com/labels/65468.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: uffeviking on June 21, 2008, 07:27:46 PM
Have to tell you about my latest adventure with red wines! I am buying most of my wines at a local super market with a very big wine section; last week they had a shopping cart sitting in the isle, full of bottles, all on sale for $4.99. I was almost past the cart when the name Hoodsport caught my attention. That's the small town on Hoods Canal, way out on the West coast of our State of Washington, the Canal is just like one of Norway's Fjords. We lived uphill for three years and also uphill is a small vineyard and we became friends with the owner and spent many evenings in their home, always being treated to their products. They never produced enough to go into big time selling; that was more years ago than I am willing to admit to!

Now you can understand my surprise to find their Cabernet Merlot on Sale for a pittance, on the other side of the State. Of course I bought all 6 bottles available, all of 2003 vintage, and yesterday I opened the first bottle. Maybe my brain/tastebuds have been imprinted with the much earlier experience, but it's a good wine! I want to compare it to the red wine I had with meals at small trattorias on Lago di Como. Earthy, dry, and still enough whiffs off the lake to make it a bit mellow. Could the winds off Lake Como and Hoods Canal depart the same fragrance to the wine grown on their shores?

I doubt you'll ever find the Hoodsport wine in your neck of the woods, but then you might pass by it because it's only $4.99! Don't, it's not bad at all!  ;D

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 24, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Have to tell you about my latest adventure with red wines! I am buying most of my wines at a local super market with a very big wine section; last week they had a shopping cart sitting in the isle, full of bottles, all on sale for $4.99. I was almost past the cart when the name Hoodsport caught my attention........

Now you can understand my surprise to find their Cabernet Merlot on Sale ....Of course I bought all 6 bottles available, all of 2003 vintage, and yesterday I opened the first bottle. Maybe my brain/tastebuds have been imprinted with the much earlier experience, but it's a good wine! I want to compare it to the red wine I had with meals at small trattorias on Lago di Como. Earthy, dry, and still enough whiffs off the lake to make it a bit mellow. Could the winds off Lake Como and Hoods Canal depart the same fragrance to the wine grown on their shores?

Lis - great story and I can relate to wines often tasting GREAT (even though it may not be true!) in certain situations or with specific memories.  One of my best (among many) examples is from a while back - after I graduated from medical school, my in-laws treated us to a 3-wk vacation in Italy (my first trip to Europe; that was back in 1971; the trip ended w/ a brief stay at Lake Como - beautiful!).

But in the middle of the stay, we took a train from Rome to Naples, then a car down the Amalfi Coast to Sorrento (for a boat to Capri) - but made a stop at Pompeii to visit the ruins - lunched at a wonderful country inn, sat outside, and had a view of Mt. Vesuvius - our wine for the meal was Lacryma Christi, grown on the slopes of the volcano!  Boy, we had been married just a year, young & adventuresome, and thoroughly enjoying the food & view - that wine tasted FABULOUS!  Well on our return back to the STATES, I must have purchased a dozen or more bottles of this wine, but could never 'relive' that experience - still not sure if the wine was just mediocre or whether I could not find a good example?  Still wondering -  ;) ;D  Dave
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 24, 2008, 04:18:59 PM
Robert Mondavi (1913-2008) Dead!

Robert Mondavi died last month - the most recent issue of the Wine Spectator (July 31) has numerous tributes & stories (most of the editorial pages are devoted to him - an absolute rarity in this publication!) - he was an amazing individual and will be long remembered - if interested, checkout the Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mondavi) or obtain/review a copy of the magazine!

From a personal perspective, Robert Mondavi was an early influence for me in starting to understand & appreciated 'fine' wines - he opened his Napa winery (pic below) in 1966 - I was just getting into wines in the late 60s & early 70s - Mondavi's Fume Blanc, an early 'claim to fame' for him, was one of my first introductions to the concept of 'varietal' wines (of course, the grape was Sauvignon Blanc; Mondavi cleverly reversed the grape's name, i.e. Blanc Fume, as known in the upper Loire Valley of France) - of course, he went on to produce other marvelous wines, esp. Cabernets & Chardonnays.

The first winery that I ever visited in California was that of Mondavi - been to plenty more since those early years, but the experience is still memorable - a great man & a major influence on modern wine history!  :)

(http://carolyntillie.com/mondavi.jpg)  (http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/mondavi_front.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: DavidRoss on June 24, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
And the major donor for the Robert and Margrit Mondavi Center for the Performing Arts at UC Davis:

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Post by: toledobass on July 02, 2008, 11:12:02 AM
2005 Peju Cabernet Franc

Allan
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Post by: The new erato on July 02, 2008, 11:19:50 AM
Lacryma Christi,

Only one decent producer of this Vesuvian wine on Piedirosso grapes; Mastroberadino. Anything else is forgettable.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 02, 2008, 12:16:47 PM
Only one decent producer of this Vesuvian wine on Piedirosso grapes; Mastroberadino. Anything else is forgettable.

Hey, I believe you!  ;D  I've never looked for it again here; don't drink that many Italian whites anymore, there are so many others that satisfy my 'taste buds'!  :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 13, 2008, 03:51:54 PM
Well, our wine thread seems to be in the doldrums again -  :'(

I've been drinking wine just about every day but our forum is so 'international' that it is difficult to post recommendations that are not available to all!

But tonight, I decanted one my 'older' Bordeaux, Ch. Pontet Canet, 1996 - below is a 'tasting note' that I found on the web from 2003; the wine has aged beautifully - for those just getting into storing & tasting Bordeaux, the better wines develop a wonderful bottle bouquet, fruit flavors disappear (but hopefully not completely) & complex aromas of leather/earth/tobacco/etc. add to the enjoyment - the tannins dissipate and the wine is lighter in color and smoother going down - now, this doesn't always happen but in this case (i.e. in my basement cellar since 1999), I must agree w/ the rating below on this particular vintage!  ;D

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Chateau Pontet-Canet (Pauillac) 1996: A moderate colour, and an impressive nose. An intense, complex medley of blackcurrants and other black fruits, with exotic spices and black olives. A lovely structure is the dominant feature on the palate, with integrated tannins and balanced acidity providing a framework for some still somewhat primary fruit, with touches of root liquorice. Developing. Clearly a very good, age-worthy vintage. 18.5+/20 (September 2003)

(http://www.klwines.com/images/skus/110486x.jpg)  (http://www.bonvin.ru/unitsimg/img_5085_3.jpg)
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on July 19, 2008, 05:29:27 PM
I still recall Château Pontet-Canet as being one of the first really good wines I tasted. That must have been some 35 years ago  ::).

No great - or even good - wines tasted recently. It's just too warm to drink a good red. Over 22 degrees it quickly loses fruit and acidity. Thus June to September are typical beer and rosé months :D.

Domaine de Gournier, a vin de pays from the French Cévennes region. Crisp, yet soft on the palate and full of really subtle aftertastes (the 'finale' in wine parlance).
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 20, 2008, 05:41:05 AM
I still recall Château Pontet-Canet as being one of the first really good wines I tasted. That must have been some 35 years ago  ::).

No great - or even good - wines tasted recently. It's just too warm to drink a good red. Over 22 degrees it quickly loses fruit and acidity. Thus June to September are typical beer and rosé months :D.

Fortunately, my basement corner stays in the high 60F, so the Ch. Pontet-Canet was quite good, but I agree that warm red wine just is not tasty!  :-\

Well, I was at Costco the other day and picked up some wine, including a bottle of the Mondavi 2006 Fume Blanc w/ a 40th anniversary stamp attached; a half dozen or so posts ago, I mentioned that Robert Mondavi had died - but 1966 was the year he opened his 'new' winery just off HW 29 in Napa Valley - one of the first Napa wineries that I ever visited!

Although this '06 Fume Blanc from Mondavi (which is no longer owned by the family) is nothing special (ratings of 86 & 88 in two of the three wine publications that I read), the naming of this wine was an early coup for Mondavi (in the upper Loire Vly in France, the Sauvignon Blanc grape is known as the 'Blanc Fume' - Robert just reversed the name obviously & barrel-aged the wine, and it became a hit!) - but for me this wine was really the beginning of my wine education and an understanding of 'varietal' wines & labeling - I probably first tasted this Sauvignon Blanc in the late '60s -  :D

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/2567379236_8667d23eb8.jpg?v=0)
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Post by: uffeviking on July 23, 2008, 10:00:11 AM
I once talked about the Hoodsport Winery we had as our neighbours and friends some years ago. And further, you, Dave mentioned the difficulty of having wine shipped to your State. - Was it North or South Carolina? - Reading the Hoodsport web site I saw their list of States they are shipping to, quite expansive.

Of course I would love for you to try their products, but so far I only tasted their Cabernet Merlot and would hate to see you end up with a case of a collection of their other products and be disappointed. Would we still be friends if I refuse responsibility and give no guarantee to reimburse you? - I am kidding, of course! -

Try it, you might like it!  ;D

http://www.hoodsport.com/
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 23, 2008, 10:36:55 AM
I once talked about the Hoodsport Winery we had as our neighbours and friends some years ago. And further, you, Dave mentioned the difficulty of having wine shipped to your State. - Was it North or South Carolina? - Reading the Hoodsport web site I saw their list of States they are shipping to, quite expansive..............

Lis - thanks for the information - the state laws on wine shipping are changing quickly; my state, North Carolina, is reversing a lot of its previous policies (both being forced & wanting to!) - there are now over 60 wineries in the state, and the legislature has been 'pressured' into permitting shipment of wines 'out of state' (of course, the opposite must be permitted); so I can now receive wines 'legally' from a variety of sources.  The industry has grown to such an extent that a 2nd edition of the book below dedicated to NC wineries was just published a year or so ago!  :D

A great website for those interested in following and checking their state's wine shipment laws is Free the Grapes (http://www.freethegrapes.org/) -  :)  Dave

(http://www.blairpub.com/images/NC_Wineries_2ed.jpg)  (http://www.freethegrapes.org/images/shackles_undone.gif)
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 30, 2008, 06:40:10 AM
OK, let me get some input from you wine aficionados. I'm co-hosting a medium-sized party on August 9 for 36 people, and I am buying the wine. These are not wine sophisticates; I just want some good but inexpensive wines. The food is being catered by a local Italian restaurant. Assuming 4 glasses per bottle, I am thinking of 7-8 bottles each red and white. I don't want to go over $200 in all, which means I'm looking for wines in the $10-12 range. And they should be easy to find in the New York City/Long Island area. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Sfz.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 30, 2008, 07:47:58 AM
OK, let me get some input from you wine aficionados. I'm co-hosting a medium-sized party on August 9 for 36...people, and I am buying the wine. These are not wine sophisticates; I just want some good but inexpensive wines. The food is being catered by a local Italian restaurant. Assuming 4 glasses per bottle, I am thinking of 7-8 bottles each red and white. I don't want to go over $200 in all, which means I'm looking for wines in the $10-12 range. And they should be easy to find in the New York City/Long Island area. Any suggestions?

Hello Sfz - assuming about a half bottle per 'wine-drinking' person is a good beginning (of course, if wine will be served  before & after dinner, then you might want a few more bottles on hand?).

Not sure if you want just 1 white & 1 red or several of each; the latter might be a better choice since you are likely to have quite a 'mix' of people w/ different wine tastes.  My first suggestion would be to checkout the local wines from Long Island, esp. the merlots & chardonnays (my in-laws have house in Montauk, which we no longer visit much, but I use to sample a lot of LI wines) - I've not really kept up on these offerings, so you'll need some advice from a reputable wine merchant.

For whites, the grape varietals to consider might be:  Sauvignon Blanc, Pinot Grigio/Gris, or Chardonnay; the Sauvignon Blancs from New Zealand are tart & excellent for summer drinking (I recommend a few '07 a couple of posts back which are currently in my cellar) - California & Washington State also make fine, inexpensive examples; for Pinot Grigio & Chardonnay, you may have to see what is available in your area (but as one example, the current vintage of Columbia Crest Chardonnay Grand Estates is excellent value).

For reds, the grape varietals to consider could be:  Cabernet, Merlot (or mixtures), Zinfandel, Syrah/Shiraz, or Malbec from Argentina - Zinfandel from California (the current Seghesio is excellent); Shiraz from Australia always interesting; again, advice from a wine merchant & some personal tasting before purchasing may be helpful; the Columbia Crest Merlot Grand Estates is always a good, pleasant bargain.

Of course, you could also offer a domestic sparkling wine or an Asti Spumante from Italy (which is much lighter in alcohol and sweet).  I could provide dozens of more specific suggestions but just not sure 'what' is available in your area; hopefully, some of the 'wine lovers' from around NYC & environs will reply - good luck.  Dave  :D
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 31, 2008, 02:03:16 AM
Thank you, Dave. A good deal to digest here.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 02, 2008, 06:36:46 AM
For those who may be visiting the Carolina Mountains and Piedmont, I just returned from a too short trip to Asheville, NC (posted in the vacation & eating threads, also) - we stayed at the Inn on Biltmore Estate; the Biltmore Winery is worth a visit (and the most visited winery in the USA!) - the tasting room is huge (pic below of just part of the room) & gift shop quite impressive.

Biltmore Winery is somewhat different from other NC wineries in offering a huge assortment of wines made from both local & out-of-state grapes (the labels reveal the obvious differences, i.e. American vs. North Carolina) - the wines vary considerably in price w/ a good number of 'premium' ones being made - I probably sampled well over a half dozen (in the winery & at the 3 dinners we had @ the Inn).

On the way back and just off I-40 in Mocksville is the RayLen Winery, which is located in the only North Carolina AVA (American Viticultural Area), i.e. Yadkin River Valley (very broadly defined) - wineries in this area typically offer wines made from their own grapes or grapes purchased w/i the AVA - currently, many of these wines are not that good but have continued to show improvement over the years, and some are excellent, so at least worth a try & a tasting, if you're visiting the area and enjoy wine.

Other wineries in and around Winston-Salem that I could recommend are: Shelton, Childress, & Westbend, but there are plenty to visit (now over 60 in the state) - CLICK HERE (http://www.ncwine.com/) for a listing!  :D

(http://www.ericandleandra.com/photos/asheville/day3/images/wine_tasting.jpg)  (http://wine.appellationamerica.com/images/reviews/Raylen-Viognier-04%5B1%5D.jpg)
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 09, 2008, 09:54:06 AM
Hello Sfz - assuming about a half bottle per 'wine-drinking' person is a good beginning (of course, if wine will be served  before & after dinner, then you might want a few more bottles on hand?).

Well, tonight's the night, so I went through this thread in detail and consulted with the fellow at the wine store. This is the haul:

3 bottles Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc @$14.50
3 bottles Columbia Crest Merlot 2005 @$11
3 bottles Falesco Vitiano Rosso @$10
3 bottles Ste. Michelle Chardonnay @$10
3 bottles Devil's Marble (Australia) - 2 Shiraz, 1 Chardonnay @$7
1 1.5ML bottle Yago Sangria @$8 for those who want their wine sweet

Grand total: about $165 plus $14 tax. We'll see how these turn out.

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Post by: toledobass on August 09, 2008, 10:37:07 AM
Well, tonight's the night, so I went through this thread in detail and consulted with the fellow at the wine store. This is the haul:

3 bottles Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc @$14.50
3 bottles Columbia Crest Merlot 2005 @$11
3 bottles Falesco Vitiano Rosso @$10
3 bottles Ste. Michelle Chardonnay @$10
3 bottles Devil's Marble (Australia) - 2 Shiraz, 1 Chardonnay @$7
1 1.5ML bottle Yago Sangria @$8 for those who want their wine sweet

Grand total: about $165 plus $14 tax. We'll see how these turn out.



I think it should turn out well!  Looks like a good selection for your guests.

Allan
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 09, 2008, 01:01:46 PM
Well, tonight's the night, so I went through this thread in detail and consulted with the fellow at the wine store. This is the haul:

3 bottles Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc @$14.50
3 bottles Columbia Crest Merlot 2005 @$11
3 bottles Falesco Vitiano Rosso @$10
3 bottles Ste. Michelle Chardonnay @$10
3 bottles Devil's Marble (Australia) - 2 Shiraz, 1 Chardonnay @$7
1 1.5ML bottle Yago Sangria @$8 for those who want their wine sweet

Grand total: about $165 plus $14 tax. We'll see how these turn out.

Sfz - nice varied selection - good luck & hope all enjoy the wine; I'd be very curious about the reactions of the NZ Kim Crawford wine (a perennial fav of mine!) and those from Washington State - have not sampled the others.  Please report back - thanks.  Dave  :D
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Post by: uffeviking on August 09, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
The Columbia Crest Merlot is very dry, caution your guests. I love it, but then my favourite Italian - South Tirolean - wine is the Lagrein Kretzer, rumoured to get blown out of your glass if you stand in a drafty room.  ;D
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 11, 2008, 02:37:17 PM
The Columbia Crest Merlot is very dry, caution your guests.

Too late! they drank it uncautioned. But I'm pleased to say all selections went off quite well. The KC from NZ is very light, crisp, and apply; it did not exactly match the Italian food we had ordered but was fine before dinner to accompany the nuts and crudités. The wine that got the most comments was the Devil's Marble shiraz from Australia (3 for $21)! I decided to bring only one bottle in case it bombed; instead people were disappointed there wasn't more. I didn't get a chance to try it myself but I have my other bottle on the rack waiting for me. And Stew Leonard's (the huge wine store in Farmingdale, Long Island) is only 10 minutes away.
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Post by: uffeviking on August 11, 2008, 06:08:23 PM
Congratulations to a very successful party! Your time now to retreat to your music room for the well deserved relaxing rest with your bottle of Australian Shiraz and your favourite music. Wonder what it'll be!  8)
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 11, 2008, 06:43:47 PM
Congratulations to a very successful party! Your time now to retreat to your music room for the well deserved relaxing rest with your bottle of Australian Shiraz and your favourite music. Wonder what it'll be!  8)

Something by Elliott Carter, or a late LvB quartet.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 12, 2008, 03:40:28 AM
Too late! they drank it uncautioned. But I'm pleased to say all selections went off quite well. The KC from NZ is very light, crisp, and apply; it did not exactly match the Italian food we had ordered but was fine before dinner to accompany the nuts and crudités. The wine that got the most comments was the Devil's Marble shiraz from Australia (3 for $21)! I decided to bring only one bottle in case it bombed; instead people were disappointed there wasn't more........

Sfz - congrats on the party & your (and the merchant's) wine selection - Shiraz from Australia is a favorite red of mine (probably have a dozen different ones in the basement of various ages - the better ones will certainly 'improve' w/ age and lay down a sediment, needing decanting). 

The NZ Sauvignon Blancs continue to be a favorite white, but you are right - saucy red and/or spicy Italian food would not be my first choice -  ;) :D  I do have them w/ fish & foul, and the acidity and apply tartness is quite a nice combination w/ Chinese or Japanese food, such as sushi (I do prefer beer w/ those dishes, but give on of those NZ whites a try some day) - Dave
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Post by: uffeviking on August 20, 2008, 12:47:17 PM
Time to resurrect this topic and I'll do it with a long list, expecting long advisory replies.

I had noticed empty slots in my wine rack and since there was nothing too urgent on my to-do list, I decided to go shopping in my favorite supermarket. Don't gasp, please, it is this small town's best place to find the best selection of wines. It was my lucky day because a wholesaler was restocking the racks and when he saw me standing there, eyes roving from shelve to shelve, he offered advise. I told him I have been wedded to Kiona's Lemberger for years now, love it, still have a big supply, but I feel a change is needed. So he helped me change! Lots of free and excellent advise, plus history of certain wines and more than an hour of pleasant activities. 

2006 Snoqualmie Merlot - Paterson Washington, $6.79
2004 Sawtooth Merlot - Caldwell, Idaho, $10.79
2004 Chateau Faire Le Pont Pinot Noir, - Wenatchee, WA. $24.99 **
2005 Syrah, Saint Laurent, - Rock Island, WA. $21.99 **
2006 Bridgeview Pinot Noir - Cave Junction, OR. $14.99
2004 Firesteed Pinot Gris - Rickreall, OR. $10.99
2001 Trimbach Pinot Gris - Ribeauville, Alsace, $15.92
2004 Trimbach Gewurztraminer, Ribeauville, Alsace, $18.99
2006 Beaujolais-Villages, Louis Jadot, Beaune, France, $11.39
2006 Beaujolais-Villages, Georges Dubeuf, Romaneche-Thorins, France, $10.99
2006 Vouvray Chenin Blanc, Barton & Guestier, Touraine Loire Valley, $10.99
2006 Pinot Grigio, Villa Pozzi, Verolanuova, Italy, $7.99
2006 Pinot Grigio, Mezzacorona, Italy, $7.99
2006 Malbec, Conquista, Mendoza, Argentina, $8.99
2007 Cabernet Sauvignon, Mendoza, Argentina, $9.99
(have two of the Beaujolais, makes it 16 bottles)

As I typed the prizes I now realise that the two most expensive ones are from wineries ten minutes drive from my house! The rest of the prizes are all surprisingly low - I did not pay attention to the prices as I selected, or as the wholesaler put them in my cart; flying blind!

How did I do?  ???
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Post by: uffeviking on August 20, 2008, 01:14:52 PM
Forgot: Total $198.03, that sum includes the tax and the special discount if you buy more than 4 bottles!  :D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 20, 2008, 04:18:56 PM
Forgot: Total $198.03, that sum includes the tax and the special discount if you buy more than 4 bottles!  :D

Hi Lis -  :D

Boy, looks like you purchased a great selection of a variety of wines and at great prices!  Congrats!

Now, you need to invite some of your best GMG 'wine drinkers' to your place for an overnight ORGIE!  ;D

To start the invitation list, I would suggest myself to start, then Andre & Sarge - we three seem to frequent this thread often - but, there may be plenty of others - looking forward to the experience!  ;D

But, on a more 'serious' note - I've enjoyed a number of these wines, and can imagine what most of the others will taste like - so please tell us your 'tasting' experiences; for myself, I've decided to get into more of the Alsatian wines, if I can find them locally @ a good price - Dave  :D  :-*
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Post by: uffeviking on August 20, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
Excellent idea, a Wine Orgie. When I open the first sample I'll run up the photos of my guests on the monitor background - I think I saved them on file from that other Diner topic - and we'll proceed from there. Prost!

Dave, you mentioned Sarge and I realised there is not one German wine in my collection. He won't like that at all. There was no German wine in the entire store inventory! Maybe I should have a talk with the manager!  $:)





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Post by: MishaK on August 22, 2008, 04:23:56 PM
Excellent idea, a Wine Orgie. When I open the first sample I'll run up the photos of my guests on the monitor background - I think I saved them on file from that other Diner topic - and we'll proceed from there. Prost!

Dave, you mentioned Sarge and I realised there is not one German wine in my collection. He won't like that at all. There was no German wine in the entire store inventory! Maybe I should have a talk with the manager!  $:)

There's no need for German wine when you can get perfectly great Rieslings and Pinot Noirs from Oregon and Washington. I've always especially enjoyed Seven Hills and Ransom.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 22, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
Dave, you mentioned Sarge and I realised there is not one German wine in my collection. He won't like that at all. There was no German wine in the entire store inventory! Maybe I should have a talk with the manager!  $:)


Lis - I would guess that Sarge would be quite happy w/ your selection!  :D  You do have some Alsatian wines & Pinot Gris, and from his previous responses, reds seem to be in his inventory!  ;) :)

Plus, you might need to add O Mensch to your 'invitation list' - seems to be an enthusiast of many of these grapes! Dave
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Post by: uffeviking on August 23, 2008, 09:18:18 AM
There's no need for German wine when you can get perfectly great Rieslings and Pinot Noirs from Oregon and Washington. I've always especially enjoyed Seven Hills and Ransom.

Thank you very much! Now all I have to do is find those two wines in a local store.

Or: One would think I can find any wines I wish to sample by simply getting in my car and driving around the immediate neighbourhood! I found this map, look at Eastmont Avenue, I live two blocks West of it and I am literally surrounded by FIVE wineries!  8)

http://www.winesnw.com/north_central_wa_wenatchee_map.html
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 23, 2008, 10:01:27 AM
Dave, you mentioned Sarge and I realised there is not one German wine in my collection. He won't like that at all.

No problem. If I'm invited to the orgy, I'll bring a few bottles with me: Christmann, Bürklin-Wolf, Reichsrat von Buhl, Basserman-Jordan: dry Pfälzer Riesling from the Mittelhaardt, decadent fruit bombs that will fit right in  ;D

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There was no German wine in the entire store inventory!

That's a problem almost everywhere in the States outside the major metropolitan areas. And even where there is a decent selection of German wine, little to none is trocken. A pity because the stuff really is delicious.

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on August 23, 2008, 10:56:18 PM
There's no need for German wine when you can get perfectly great Rieslings and Pinot Noirs from Oregon and Washington.

Seriously? Quite different animals in my opinion (both Rieslings nd Pinots).
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 24, 2008, 03:43:26 PM
Over the last week or so, I've been sampling bottles of my 2003 Zinfandel from my basement cellar - I was surprised in checking my cellar database that my last tastings of these wines was in 2005!

The wines, again all from the 2003 vintage (despite the labels):  Seghesio, Rancho Zabaco, and Cline (Ancient Vines) - these are perennial good values; amazing none of these have thrown any substantial sediment - I call these kind of 'aged' reds 'squeeky clean' and fear that excess filtration may have extracted important aging components; but, all were just excellent (liked the Seghesio & Cline the best).

Zinfandel is a unique California wine (although the grape originated in the area of Croatia, crossing the Adriatic to southern Italy, and known as the Primitivo there; DNA analysis has now proven this ancestry) that still remains an excellent value (although my favs from Ridge have now crossed the $30+ bottle price for many of their offerings - not buying them anymore); so if you can find Zins in your area, give them a try - America's answer to Australian Shiraz!  :D


(http://www.englewoodwinemerchants.com/product_images/03Seghesio.JPG)  (http://bp0.blogger.com/_dMLB8sckWC8/SEbqUKxk1dI/AAAAAAAAATk/IzTivCzdYkY/s320/RanchoZabacoSonomaHeritageZin2005.jpg)  (http://wine.appellationamerica.com/images/reviews/cline-ancient-vine-zin-05.jpg)
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Post by: toledobass on September 29, 2008, 05:14:29 AM
I bought a Whole Foods label Chianti last night.  Boy that sucked.

Allan
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 29, 2008, 07:07:03 AM
I bought a Whole Foods label Chianti last night.  Boy that sucked.

Allan

 ;D :D ;D

One thing I appreciate about Germany is the amount of decent, really low-priced wine. We've been drinking a 2 Euro Vin de pays D.O.C Merlot from Aldi...and really enjoying it. It won't win any prizes but as a basic every day red it fills the bill nicely.

Sarge
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 10, 2008, 08:33:14 PM
Portugal reds are the flavour of the month (year) in this household. Indecently fruity and yet full-bodied with good, elegant tannins. Quite unbeatable at the price.
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 10, 2008, 08:34:47 PM
;D :D ;D

One thing I appreciate about Germany is the amount of decent, really low-priced wine. We've been drinking a 2 Euro Vin de pays D.O.C Merlot from Aldi...and really enjoying it. It won't win any prizes but as a basic every day red it fills the bill nicely.

Sarge

You can count on Aldi to bring forth unsuspectedly good wines at bargain prices.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 15, 2008, 04:53:11 PM
Portugal reds are the flavour of the month (year) in this household. Indecently fruity and yet full-bodied with good, elegant tannins. Quite unbeatable at the price.

André - good evening - and a delayed response to your post above; I've not been drinking wines from the Iberian pennisula for a while, except for the vintage Ports in my basement cellar purchase years ago; wife & I actually did a tour of Portugal in the early '70s, and enjoyed the table wines @ the time - from my readings, particularly in Wine Spectator, these wines have improved dramatically - must search them out in my area, but fear a pacuity will be available.

My first exploration of wine was back in the late '60s - I was pretty 'green behind the ears' then relative to any knowledge of wine and was more use to beer, so my wife & I started by drinking the Portuguese rose sparklers of the times, such as Lancers; we 'honeymooned' in Bermuda in July of 1970 - had a couple of familiar wines from Portugal the first two nights, then ask the wine person for additional recommendations - can't remember what we had, but that was the start of a much more interesting exploration! Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 15, 2008, 05:14:36 PM
I've not contributed to this thread much lately, although I drink wine pretty much on a daily basis (the wines that I drink tend to be repetitive, so not worth repeating, I guess, or just not available - a problem w/ an international forum) - but, for white wines, I've been enthralled over the last several years w/ two offerings from the west coast of the USA - of course, these may not be available in many areas of the world - present cost is just over $15 per bottle USA currency, so kind of in my 'comfort zone' -  :D

King Estate - Pinot Gris (2007) from Oregon - well done w/ excellent tropical fruit flavors; I've purchased this wine for my cellar the last 4-5 years and the '07 vintage is one of the best from this winery - a recommendation, if available to you - also, I order this wine often in restaurants (if available) - good 'per glass' purchase (but, of course, always OVER PRICED in that situation!).

Rosenblum Cellars - Viognier - Kathy's Cuvee (2007) from California - of course, this is the famous white grape from northern Rhone in France, and a difficult varietal to make well elsewhere (and even in Rhone!) - this has been a consistently good wine @ a price similar to the offering above - the current vintage is quite good and refreshing; North Carolina (my home state) is producing a lot of Viognier (much pretty poor), but occasionally is making some decent ones - will keep trying!  :)

(http://www.kingestate.com/images/taste/wines/SPG07.jpg)  (https://www.rosenblumcellars.com/shop/resources/images/AS_Kathy's_Cuvee_Viognier_nv.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 15, 2008, 07:48:01 PM
Hi, Dave! Well, if you can't recall what wine you had during your honeymoon, I guess that's a good sign  ;)

This past weekend, I had a good barolo to go along with the bison meatballs stew. Boy!  That wine is just so much above all the other italian wannabes I know. Curt of nose, deep on the palate, mouthfilling and very aristocratic at the same time. As good as a vintage Hermitage or Châteauneuf-du-Pape.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on October 18, 2008, 05:17:55 PM
Every now and then, I buy Austrian reds, and I have found them to be very good for the price.  There isn't a huge selection in the state-owned wine stores in Utah, but they usually have a few good ones in stock.

Right now I am drinking Zantho 2006 St. Laurent (Burgenland).  It is very smooth and flavorful.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on October 19, 2008, 12:18:22 AM
This past weekend, I had a good barolo to go along with the bison meatballs stew. Boy!  That wine is just so much above all the other italian wannabes I know.
Barolo an Italian wannabe? I learn something new from this site every day.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 19, 2008, 06:57:47 AM
Every now and then, I buy Austrian reds, and I have found them to be very good for the price........

Hi Heather - I've not had much Austrian wine, except for 'dessert' selections, although in my early 'resident' years, I use to buy a lot of eastern European & Balkan wines (Hungary, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, etc.) - cheap & often quite tasty!

But, my 'red wine' buying has taken a drastic turn in the last 10-15 yrs. mainly because the price of my previous choices has escalated to the point of being ridiculous, particularly in today's economy.  My basement cellar 20 yrs ago had multiple vintages of Bordeaux reds, cabernets from California, Burgundy, Italian Piedmont selections, and others - now all are dwindling away - my largest California collection now are Zinfandels & small number of cabernets (only at decent prices); still collecting Australian reds, esp. Shiraz; have added a lot of Chilean & Argentinean reds, plus can't give up on the Pinot Noirs (nearly all from Oregon & fewer from California, again only @ decent prices).

Just as an example, I've recently finished looking @ the most recent issue of Wine Spectator which was largely devoted to California Cabernet Sauvignon - in there selection of the top 100 or so current offerings (ratings from 92-97), the price range was  $45 to $750 per bottle!  However, there were very few wines under the $100 price - there are a lot of new labels being offered, but many of my 'old favorites' were on the list now selling for several hundred bucks a bottle (used to pay 1/10 that amount!).

Not sure 'who' buys these wines, but the more expensive small production ones are often 'sold out' before release - same w/ the French & Italian reds that I use to collect (and often worst w/ the status of the dollar!).  Well, I'll be still looking for good 'red wine' deals - Washington State is one of my current USA havens that seems to be producing some excellent values, but will take suggestions from elsewhere!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on October 19, 2008, 08:09:11 AM
Washington is a good choice.  Also, check out Oregon; the pinot noir there is typically a better value than Burgundy.  Idaho sometimes has decent everyday reds for a low price, but quality is uneven.  I have also found some decent reds from Arizona, but again quality is uneven.  And if you ever get over to the plains states, a few wineries in that region are making some very good reds in the $10 to $20 price range.  As for European wines, I have found good values for everyday red wines from Austria (as I have mentioned) and Portugal.  Lesser-known wine regions of France can also be a good value; I have had good luck with Cahors lately.  Spain still has some good values but prices there are heading up.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on October 19, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
An interesting web site about Austrian wines:

http://www.austrian.wine.co.at/eindex.html

Unfortunately world powers stole from Austria their best wine producing areas and gave them to Italy. - Trying hard not to get political!  >:D - Those great wines, coming from the Alpine regions of Südtirol, are my favourites, and any Lagrein Ketzer is on the top of my list. Hard to get here in this country though, and I haven't found one here in this State. Lucky Lilas Pastia gets them in Quebec!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on October 19, 2008, 10:37:45 AM
See what I mean? Now they brag about being Italian wines!  >:D

Forgive me OT blurb, but it has to be known that Südtirol will always be Austrian and some day we'll be successful in getting this area back to the Heimat!  $:)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on October 24, 2008, 03:23:56 PM
Everybody abstaining? Or did my political rant put you off?

Must have been two months ago when I bought twelve bottles of a variety of wine to wean myself off the Kiona Lemberger habit. Unfortunately medication I had to take was not compatible with alcohol and it was not until today I finally could taste the first one of the twelve.

I chose the Trimbach Pinot Gris, an Alsac wine bottled in 2001. What a surprise, starting with the colour when I poured it: Pure gold, such an intense gold it had a hint of green. And then the taste! Of course I do not have the vocabulary you experts have, but I can say that the first impression was a collection of the fragrance of all my garden flowers concentrated in this small amount of wine in my mouth. As a finish to the sensation was a pleasant, gentle bite left on my tongue.

My first experience with a Pinot Gris!

Now about those twentyfour bottles of Kiona Lemberger. . .  ???
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on October 25, 2008, 12:33:13 AM

Unfortunately world powers stole from Austria their best wine producing areas and gave them to Italy.

When anyone going by the name of Brünnhilde forever says this, the world should listen. If I were Italian I wuld be very scared.

Anyway, the best Austrian wine region would be the Wachau beyond doubt, even if Tirol were Austrian.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on October 25, 2008, 10:52:09 AM
Die Wachau, indeed, good wines, especially the Gumboldskirchner praised in his usual charming way by a Wiener Orginal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HLYVAa2PKA

Erato: have you been listening to Hans Moser recordings??


Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 29, 2008, 06:09:36 PM
Torrontes - a NEW wine grape discovery for me!  :o

Did 'early' voting yesterday - wife & I stopped off @ Harris Teeter in the same shopping center - I picked up a 'mixed' case of wine, and just added a few Argentinian wines, including one that I've never had before, i.e. a white wine from Argentina made from a 'mystery' grape called the Torrontes (probably from Spain - Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torront%C3%A9s)) - the bottle that I bought was inexpensive (about $10) and was absolutely delicious - another 'new' grape for me to explore!  :D

(http://www.kenswineguide.com/images_wine/Trivento%202007%20Torrontes.gif)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on October 30, 2008, 07:44:25 PM
Opened another of my 12 bottle collection and learned a lesson: Don't buy because you like the picture on the bottle! I just wanted to test the truth of the warning; it's true! At least in the case of a bottle of 2005 Barton & Guestien Pinot Noir with the cute picture of two guys enjoying the wine at an outdoor table of a bistro. The label actually says: Bistro Wine.

I always had good experiences with the local, unnamed wines served in Italian trattorias and assumed bistro wines are good too. This one is not! It's nice and red, the fragrances are indiscernible, and it bites the tongue!  :-[
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 12, 2008, 06:06:49 PM
Well, can't believe that the 'wine thread' has DROPPED to page 3 in the DINER!   ::) ;) :D

Just want to add a 'potential' book recommendation - this new release was highly praised in one of my wine periodicals (California Grapevine ) - just ordered & received a copy from Amazon:

Wine Politics: How Governments, Environmentalists, Mobsters, and Critics Influence the Wines We Drink (2008) by Tyler Colman (CLICK on the image for Amazon Reviews - 4+/5* average) - just getting started, but already a 'fun' read - if you're irritated (as I am!) about the cost of wine, distribution in your state, and the reasons you can't get what you want (whether locally or by mail), then this book may be a read for you?  :D

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ikLml6j8L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Wine-Politics-Governments-Environmentalists-Influence/dp/0520255216/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226541030&sr=1-1)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 13, 2008, 04:29:46 PM
Oregon Wine Pioneer Dies!

David Lett (1939-2008)

David Lett was an Oregon wine pioneer who died on October 9, 2008 - he started Eyrie Vineyards (http://www.eyrievineyards.com/journal/) in the Willamette Valley back in 1965 (a year before the opening of Robert Modavi's Winery - both historic events); Lett was not the first grower of Pinot Noir in Oregon but he started that state's ascendency to producing some of this best wine in the world made from this varietal - Pinot Gris was also another 'white' varietal that he help to pioneer in Oregon - both of these grapes are favorites of mine, and I continue to receive wines from the Oregon Pinot Noir Club - the Eyrie Pinot Noirs from the late 1970s-early 80s were my introduction to Oregon Pinot Noir - a revelation!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on November 19, 2008, 10:44:32 AM
Read an informative article about cork, the thing closing bottles of our favourite beverage. Miguel Márquez, a vintner near Valencia, Spain, is talking about the trend to use plastic, screw tops or glass stoppers and he is adamant about such an abuse of the quality of wines. Plastic material is not as dense as cork and will allow oxidation of the wine whereas screw tops are choking the wine causing wine to smell like a combination of garlic and rotten eggs. Natural cork has exactly the proper density to avoid those other problems.

The article goes in detail about the production of natural corks and the danger to Quercus suber the 'cork oak', and the existence of the oak orchards, vital in not only the cork industry but the total environment. In short: Only buy wine with the natural cork crowing the bottle!  0:)

The article does mention a seal of approval of natural cork by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) but does not tell me where I find the seal on the bottle; how can I tell what material is closing the bottle I want to buy.  :-\
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 19, 2008, 03:43:19 PM
Hi Lis - thanks for the comments on cork wine enclosures!  :D  Do you have a web link to the article?

The use of non-cork wine enclosures has been a controversial and often a contentious topic of discussion, as you probably already know.  Cork producers, e.g. those on the Iberian peninsula, want the industry to continue - who wants to lose their livelihood!  But cork can be diverted to other uses, such as in building, i.e. cork floors, walls, etc.

But cork is not necessarily the best wine bottle enclosure to use, as many would argue.  If you collect vintage wines or age bottles yourself (e.g. I have Ports from the late 70s & 80s), corks deteriorate and can be a pain to remove, often just falling apart on attempts at their extraction; also, corks that do not hold up over time can turn an expensive bottle of wine into a disaster only useful as vinegar in a salad dressing.

One of the main problems w/ cork is 'tainted wine', i.e. wine contaminated with TCA (checkout the Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_taint); this is also called a 'corked wine' - although some (esp. those in the cork  business or the 'religious' cork advocates) will state that 'corked bottles' occur in less than 1%, however, I've seen numbers approaching 10% - thus, if you buy a case of expensive wine for say $1000 (not unusual these days for a wine to age!), and 2 bottles are 'tainted', then that is nearly a $200 loss!  Just not acceptable -  :-\

Thus, alternate enclosures have emerged, including screw tops, glass devices, and cork 'substitutes' (which might be cork composites, plastics, etc.) - personally, I have no problem w/ these alternates, particularly for less expensive wines that will be consumed immediately or will be held (or aged) for a few years only.  The 'screw tops' in blind tastings have just not shown a problem over a short time - and I happen to love this enclosure for these wines (New Zealand has pretty much or will switch completely to this option).  OTOH, reservations have been raised for wines that might require some aging, e.g. 5-10 yrs or longer - the plastic enclosures may permit too much air to enter the 'aging' bottle and be detrimental to the wine enclosed; however, a 'screw top' might still be OK?  An important and still 'unknown' consideration in long-term aging of wine is whether the slow entry of air (esp. oxygen) through a cork can impact on the changes that occur in bottle; of course, a 'screw top' will not permit this entry - only time will tell - these wines warranting long-term aging will have to be stored properly in alternate enclosures and then tasted blindly at different periods in their life times - all of this experimentation will take years, if not decades for a resolution as to whether a difference between these enclosures exist or not (OR, if the non-cork options are better!)?.

So, for immediate or 'short term' consumption (say w/i a few years), I have no problem w/ purchasing wines w/ a non-cork enclosure - in fact, I would likely prefer such an enclosure because of the potential problems mentioned above w/ cork.  For wines meant to be aged 5-10 yrs or beyond, the superiority of one enclosure over another has yet to be resolved - my feeling is that a 'screw top' even on a Bordeaux red or a Vintage Port will likely be a better choice, but just an opinion!  Bottom line - if you're buying wines for immediate consumption or just 'short term' storage, don't worry about the type of enclosure (although I'd probably trust the 'screw top' more! -  :D).

Can't comment on the label for a cork in the bottle - a 'screw top' is obvious, but if a bottle has a capsule, then the enclosure could be all cork, cork composite, or a plastic - again, I'd not be that concerned for 'short-term' drinking.  Hope this helps a little - Dave  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on November 19, 2008, 05:43:30 PM
How good is your German, Dave? The article is in the German news magazine Der Spiegel!

Did you know the first person to close a bottle with a piece of natural cork was the Benedictine monk Dom Pierre Pérignon? As you pointed out in your very much appreciated post, cork is not the 100% save topper. Between 5 and 20% of wines suffer from a deposit of Trichloranisol in the bottle, causing a worldwide loss of 2.5 billion Euros. But the brothers Miravet claim wines to be stored up to 20 years are save with their cork.

Dave, I think it has become more of an environmental issue, loss of the oak forests because the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) states those forests are a jewel of multitude and the backbone of an entire industry. The article does not mention other possible uses for cork, like flooring, as you point out.

Personally: I would welcome the screw top because that I can handle easily, whereas uncorking my Lemberger even with the 'Rabbit' is a chore; arthritic thumbs and bottle openers have a strained relationship!  :'(
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 19, 2008, 06:12:05 PM
How good is your German, Dave? The article is in the German news magazine Der Spiegel!...

Lis - LOL  ;D - can't do German @ all! (Latin in High School & Spanish @ the U. of Michigan, undergrad) - and, not fluent in either one in my aging years -  ;) :D

Yep, I underestimated the TCA issue to 10% but estimates have been higher (reason that I chose 2 bottles/case) - cork is going to continue to decline - just cheaper & likely better options; but, I found that removal of some of the other 'cork' substitutes a pain - those replacements, esp. the plastics, are HARD to remove.

The 'screw tops' are just an easier choice for all - simple to operate - not requiring a lot of skill - and replaceable!  If the 'blind tastings' that I mentioned for the wines that might require 'long term' aging prove no difference between corks & 'screw tops' (or if the latter proves superior), then cork will be OUT - I have no problem w/ this paradigm change at all -   :)

Cork is a beautiful product w/ many other uses - the industry will adapt - I'm an amateur woodworker and could easily use cork in my projects, plus the material is very applicable to purchases other than becoming 'corks'!

So, not to worry - don't make you wine decisions based on the enclosures -  ;) ;D   Dave
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: MishaK on November 20, 2008, 04:01:31 PM
Speaking of cork... does anyone know a place to recycle cork in the US? I have piles of corks I have collected for that purpose thinking that it would be a waste to just throw away. Where I used to live in Brooklyn, there used to be a restaurant that collected corks and sent them to a recycling place, but I'm now in Chicago and the Brooklyn restaurant has closed down.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on November 20, 2008, 04:51:41 PM
What on earth did we do before we had google?

That's what I found and I hope it helps you:  :-*

http://corkdork.typepad.com/corkdork/2006/10/wine_cork_recyc.html
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 20, 2008, 05:29:27 PM
O Mensch - looks like Lis already found you a 'recycling' place for corks!  ;D

For years, I kept my corks in big bags - being a woodworker, I was planning to try to make some interesting projects from the corks - never happened, just could not put together a project w/ a bunch of used corks - oh well - think that I threw them away!

But, cork is the 'thick' bark of the cork tree - probably could grind it up and use the remains for many purposes - Dave   :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on November 22, 2008, 11:45:52 AM
Dave, you have been praising Oregon's wine quite a lot and seduced me into trying it. I am in the process of drinking a 2004 Pinot Gris Firesteed, my very first Pinot Gris and am surprised about how sweet the wine is. I actually checked the bottle again, thinking I had mistakenly opened a Gewürztraminer!

Is this the common character of a Pino Gris, sweetness? Could be my palate has been permanently numbed by the dryness of my beloved Lemberger, and going back to glory days of Lagrein Kretzers in Austria!  ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 22, 2008, 12:14:33 PM
Dave, you have been praising Oregon's wine quite a lot and seduced me into trying it. I am in the process of drinking a 2004 Pinot Gris Firesteed, my very first Pinot Gris and am surprised about how sweet the wine is. I actually checked the bottle again, thinking I had mistakenly opened a Gewürztraminer!

Is this the common character of a Pino Gris, sweetness? Could be my palate has been permanently numbed by the dryness of my beloved Lemberger, and going back to glory days of Lagrein Kretzers in Austria!  ;D

Hi Lis - first, glad that you're trying some of those wines that I've been touting from Oregon; some of the Pinot Gris that I've had from Oregon (and also California) has had a touch of 'sweetness' but probably only about 1-2% residual sugar - this has been a minority and I've not had the one you mention above; plus, the year makes the wine a little too aged - I'm currently drinking '06 & '07 white wines.

If available to you, give the King Estate Pinot Gris a try - I've just finished up my '06 bottles, and have added the newly released '07 to my basement cellar; this wine is readily available here in the super markets & on many restaurant wine lists locally; but there are also other Pinot Gris from Oregon that should be on the drier side.  Good luck in your selection(s) and please reply back - can always use more recommendations!  Dave  :D

(http://www.kingestate.com/images/taste/wines/SPG06.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on November 22, 2008, 06:48:43 PM
Dave, that's what I get for staying in a groove with my wine consumption! Sticking with reds and didn't even know that whites don't age the same as reds.  :-[

Mama always ordered a few cases every year from her favourite Mosel region vintner; when we moved to the US I couldn't find any of Mama's selection and was completely at sea. Then I discovered a Lemberger and that was a familiar name, stuck with it, with a few courageous sidetrips. Now that I dared to step outside my GMG Opera domain, I am starting all over again and with your help, - and that of the other nice people here!  :-* - I'll be an eager student.  0:)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Heather Harrison on November 22, 2008, 07:30:21 PM
I discovered Oregon wine many years ago, and I have had a number of good ones over the years.  I have just a few now, so it might be about time to visit the wineries again.

Right now, I am drinking some mead (honey wine) made by Olde Country Winery in Lake Lillian, Minnesota.  Mead has a unique flavor that is difficult to describe.  I have encountered mead in every range of sweetness, from bone dry to very sweet.  This one is sweet but not heavy and it has a floral element to its complex flavor.

Heather
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 27, 2008, 06:14:26 PM
Well, over a month since any posts to this thread, so just to bring it back TTT!  ;D

Just a couple of 'new' white wine recommendations that should be pretty available in the USA:

Kim Crawford 2008 Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand - I've been buying this wine for years now, and the most recent vintage is just excellent; price has gone up (about $17/bottle in my locale now) - for those who have not had NZ SBlancs, these wines are quite tart w/ 'green apple' tastes - personally, I love this flavor; plenty of other options from this Kiwi country, but I must say that this brand has been quite reliable from year to year!

Kenwood 2007 Chardonnay from Sonoma County - just $10/bottle locally - rated */87 in Connoisseurs' Guide to California Wine, a publication that I've subscribed to for years - just tasted tonight and would give this a B+ rating, esp. for the price/value factor; this obviously is not an heavy oaky chardonnay needing a year or so of bottle aging - but would be a perfect choice for the price to serve at a large party.  I've visited this winery multiple times and have enjoyed their wines over the years, esp. the Sauvignon Blancs and the wines from their Jack London Vyds - this winery continues to offer good values vs. the escalating prices of many CA wines -  :D

(http://www.englewoodwinemerchants.com/product_images/KimCrawfordSB.gif)  (http://winelibrary.com/images/36760.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bu on December 27, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
Recently purchased a bottle of St. Francis Merlot, Sonoma County 2005, detailed at their website here:

 http://shop.stfranciswinery.com/?ck=PAWYGJXFEU&pk=8DCB1F237A&SectionID=2296&CatalogID=456&section=shop&Details=6356210 (http://shop.stfranciswinery.com/?ck=PAWYGJXFEU&pk=8DCB1F237A&SectionID=2296&CatalogID=456&section=shop&Details=6356210)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 28, 2008, 08:15:26 AM
Recently purchased a bottle of St. Francis Merlot, Sonoma County 2005, detailed at their website here:

 St. Francis Winery (http://shop.stfranciswinery.com/?ck=PAWYGJXFEU&pk=8DCB1F237A&SectionID=2296&CatalogID=456&section=shop&Details=6356210)

Yep, I've made several visits to that winery in the past; in fact, on Highway 12 just north of the town of Sonoma, and near the Kenwood Winery mentioned in my previous post - for those interested in a 'Sonoma' tour; one option is to visit Sonoma (delightful town of historic interest - was the northern most Spanish mission outpost along the CA coast), then head up HW 12 into the 'Valley', some wineries to consider which are close together include the ones already mentioned, plus Arrowwood & Ch. St. Jean; of course, Sonoma County is huge w/ many different wine areas of fame, so would take multiple trips to really cover the entire county -
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 01, 2009, 05:58:48 PM
Cocha y Toro - one of the largest Chilean wineries & importer to the USA of a wide variety of wines; a recent discovery:

Casillero del Diablo - 2006 Cabernet/Syrah blend (85/15%, respectively) - picked up this wine from a local grocery store for about $14 - rated 89 in a recent issue of Wine Spectator; at the moment this wine is bold & tannic (14% alcohol!) - love the flavors, and will likely buy some bottles for the cellar - I think a year or two of aging would turn this bottle into a quite pleasant experience.

In recent years, I've been searching for excellent value in my red wine selections - French, Italian, and California choices in my area of the USA are no longer a great choice, so I've been exploring other geographic areas; reds from Chile & Argentina (Mendoza Vly, in particular) have become an important consideration - these wines are made often in 'large' volumes so exportation to other areas of the planet may bring them to your notice - I would suggest giving them a try!  :)

(http://www.empirewine.com/images/cartimages/casillero_reserva_privada.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 23, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
Torrontes - a NEW wine grape discovery for me!  :o

Did 'early' voting yesterday - wife & I stopped off @ Harris Teeter in the same shopping center - I picked up a 'mixed' case of wine, and just added a few Argentinian wines, including one that I've never had before, i.e. a white wine from Argentina made from a 'mystery' grape called the Torrontes (probably from Spain - Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torront%C3%A9s)) - the bottle that I bought was inexpensive (about $10) and was absolutely delicious - another 'new' grape for me to explore!  :D

(http://www.kenswineguide.com/images_wine/Trivento%202007%20Torrontes.gif)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/460318640_itiXk-M.jpg)

Well, back in November, I discovered a 'new grape', i.e. Torrontés from South America (above my previous post w/ a new pic added) - today, I was at Total Wine, and picked up a case and a half (one case of 4 reds, 3 bottles each - 2 of each will go in the basement for some 'short term' aging); and a half case of 'whites' from various countries, including a new nation for me - Uruguay; of course, next to Argentina and known for some good wines - this is from the Pisano Winery, a 2008 (now nearly a year old) labelled Rio de los Pajaros Reserve - just delicious and my second try w/ this grape - will look for more because the price is right!

BTW, the 'reds' that I bought (not in large volumes, but for a little cellar aging) are:

Seghesio Zinfandel (2007) from Sonoma; their 'newest' release - rated 93 in 'Wine Spectator' & */88 in 'Conn. Guide CA Wine' - unfortunately now up to $24/bottle in my area; now have about 4 straight years of this wine in my cellar, but the price is starting to irritate!

Terrazas Malbec (2006) from Argentina (Mendoza Reserve) - rated 89 in 'Wine Spectator' - under $20/bottle - these South American 'reds' from Chile & Argentina are pretty much replacing my California Cabs & Merlots; the value is just excellent!

Martin Ray Pinot Noir (2006) from Santa Barbara, CA - don't have a rating, but a HIGH recommendation from the people at the store and $19, which is good for a Pinot Noir (my favorite red grape!) - will taste soon -  :D

Shingleback Shiraz (2005) from Australia - about $17 - have 3 years in a row sitting in my cellar - did not have a review but this has been a consistently outstanding wine that requires a couple of years of aging!  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bu on January 30, 2009, 12:46:32 AM
Bought a bottle of Riunite Lambrusco: Emilia.  Ok, maybe not a big money wine (between $10 to $15) but I'd never even heard of a Lambrusco grape before and thought it was worth the cheap gamble!  Before purchasing, decided to read the back of the bottle and found out the said grape goes back to Roman times; with a little more reading online found out that no pure Lambrusco grape exists today.

Anyways, bought a bottle of this, and was overtaken by the gentle sweetiness. From my little reading it seems it is probably a blend of Lambrusco and Ancellota:
(http://www.americaswineshop.com/images/bn/160/77077.jpg)

After downing the bottle, I felt like I'd just guzzled one too many Coca Colas.   :-\
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Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2009, 06:45:05 AM
Bought a bottle of Riunite Lambrusco: Emilia.  Ok, maybe not a big money wine (between $10 to $15) but I'd never even heard of a Lambrusco grape.........................

After downing the bottle, I felt like I'd just guzzled one too many Coca Colas.   :-\

Hi Bu - yes, good old and plentiful Lambrusco!  Back in the 70s & 80s, this wine was one of the most popular imports into the USA - use to buy some myself (wife kind of liked it) - my main description would be a 'light fizzy red, almost like a sparkling rose wine', but a variety of styles were made.

The grapes indeed go back a ways but likely have changed tremendously and varieties have disappeared - most zones of production are in the Emilia-Romagna region of Italy; back in 1996, I was on a medical trip to Bologna but we first spent a few days in Milan - going by train from Milan through this region, I was astounded by the number of vineyards seen, of course probably many devoted to the making of Lambrusco!

Glad to see you on this thread - please come back soon!   ;D
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Post by: Bu on January 30, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
Hi Bu - yes, good old and plentiful Lambrusco!  Back in the 70s & 80s, this wine was one of the most popular imports into the USA - use to buy some myself (wife kind of liked it) - my main description would be a 'light fizzy red, almost like a sparkling rose wine', but a variety of styles were made.

The grapes indeed go back a ways but likely have changed tremendously and varieties have disappeared - most zones of production are in the Emilia-Romagna region of Italy; back in 1996, I was on a medical trip to Bologna but we first spent a few days in Milan - going by train from Milan through this region, I was astounded by the number of vineyards seen, of course probably many devoted to the making of Lambrusco!

Glad to see you on this thread - please come back soon!   ;D

Thank you, Sonic, for the welcome and response; there's much to learn about good wine from your posts, and I think tonight I'll try to find a bottle or two of the ones you've recommended here.  Hopefully there should be some good sippin'.   :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 30, 2009, 08:19:20 PM
Dave, would you think this (http://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=57593&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=&top_category=) is the same product ?? Or some similar quality variant? I'm surprised to see it seem cheaper here.

In any case, I saw this one (http://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=693003&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=&top_category=) tonight, and I'm tempted to try it. Carmenère is a lovely grape.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2009, 08:34:24 PM
Dave, would you think this (http://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=57593&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=&top_category=) is the same product ?? Or some similar quality variant? I'm surprised to see it seem cheaper here.

In any case, I saw this one (http://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=693003&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=&top_category=) tonight, and I'm tempted to try it. Carmenère is a lovely grape.

André - good evening!  Well Concha y Toro is the largest Chilean wine producer and sources grapes from many areas - I've enjoyed tasting the Carmenere (a lesser Bordeaux grape that has done well in Chile; like Malbec in Argentina) - I've not tasted either of these offerings but from the labels linked seem to be from different vineyard(s) - the prices are virtually identical - I'd probably taste each one and then make a decision on which one to purchase; being of the '07 vintage (and if a little tannic), might be worth a year or two of storage - of course, all speculation w/o me giving them a sampling - tell us what you think, though - these likely may appear in North Carolina if made in large amounts!  Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 30, 2009, 08:44:28 PM
Good evening, Dave! ;)

I suspect they my be different products - even if quite alike. Large maisons like Concha y Toro probably have distinct products for their export markets. In Quebec, Cabernet sauvignon has steadfastly lost ground to more exotic, less 'virile' grapes. Various blends of syrah (shiraz) are popular, as are the lesser-known, more typical southern France local varieties. I don't know about other places, but here women overwhelmingly prefer red to white wines. Many couples go out to dine in 'bring your own wine' restaurants, and red wines of all kinds are what you'll see on all tables. But I digress  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
Pinot Gris or Grigio - an excellent white grape to try!  :)

Years ago, I became tired of the oaky Chardonnays and have avoided many in recent years; thus, I've started to search for other 'white wine' varietals, including Sauvignon Blanc, Pinot Gris/Grigio, Riesling, Viognier, et al, but Sauvignon Blanc & Pinot Gris seem to be my usual choices.

But, for this post, I must encourage those of you that enjoy white wines & are tiring of oaky Chards, to give Pinot Gris/Grigio a try - there are so many offerings, many w/ different tastes and often at good prices - tonight, I sampled an Alsatian Pinot Gris (label shown below) - just getting back in these white Alsatian varietals (others include Pinot Blanc, Riesling, et al) - this is a dry, floral, and mineral tasting wine, just wonderful!

For other examples, the world is your oyster!  Pinot Grigios from Italy have improved dramatically and are being offered at great prices; both California & Oregon (e.g. King Estate I buy yearly) are other areas to explore; and many other areas in the world and the USA are making excellent wines from this varietal, even including pretty good attempts in my state, North Carolina.

If you give this varietal a try, please reply back to this thread - a delicious grape usually @ a good price!  ;D


(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/464770619_3fpkw-M.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 02, 2009, 07:27:12 AM
For other examples, the world is your oyster!  Pinot Grigios from Italy have improved dramatically and are being offered at great prices...

Pinot grigio became quite trendy in Germany a few years ago...and it drove our vintners crazy because the same grape, known here as Grauburgunder (gray burgundy) or Rulander (when sweet), is a major varietal (as it is in Alsace) and makes far superior wine in this northern clime (at least to my taste).

We had a bottle from the southern Pfalz the other night with roast Spanferkel (suckling pig). The combination was outstanding (even though I wept like the Walrus while eating that little piggy  :D )

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/AnselmannGB.jpg)


Quote
(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/464770619_3fpkw-M.jpg)

Yes, Pinot gris is my favorite Alsatian wine...I like it even more than their great Rieslings and Gewurztraminers.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on February 28, 2009, 08:07:14 PM
Seeing that Oscar season just finished up and thanks to a friend had this with our dinner tonight:

(http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00052/tnp_wow0111409_a_52473d.jpg)
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Post by: toledobass on February 28, 2009, 09:44:22 PM
love that stuff bogey.  Kinda of the 'house wine' of sorts here.


Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 01, 2009, 02:56:40 PM
Any of you here have a set of wine glasses that you prefer?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 01, 2009, 05:05:27 PM
Well, a couple of posts back in this thread, I mentioned exploring 'white' grapes other than the oaky chardonnays and concentrated on wines made from Pinot Grigio or Gris - please explore these wines & report back!  ;D

Tonight, I'm sampling a new offering from Bridlewood in California - i.e. the 2007 Viognier Reserve - yet another white grape being cultivated outside its area of origin (i.e. northern Rhone Vly - specifically Condrieu w/ Ch. Grillet being the most famous property - fascinating history, BTW!); this current vintage is good, but this grape can produce some wonderfully complex fruity/tropical flavors - can easily be a 'hit or miss' wine - you just have to try some and see what you think! My home state, North Carolina, now has dozens of wineries, and the 'white' grapes that so far have interested me the most here in this climate have been the two mentioned - the Viognier wines have been decent to pretty good, but there is likely a future for this grape here; so if you're into white wines and want to get away from the usual recommendations, there are plenty of options!  :)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2962743589_5dd78d8fd5.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 01, 2009, 05:35:05 PM
Any of you here have a set of wine glasses that you prefer?

Hello Bill - this is a complex question, as you can imagine - how many different types of wines do you drink, do you want separate types of glasses for different wines, how much do you want to pay, and does all of this nonsense make a difference?  :D

My preference is SIMPLICITY!  My main wine glasses are like the one shown below holding the 'white' wine - the contour is fluted (which helps to concentrate the aromas of the wine to sniff) & the glass is CLEAR (forget colors & decorations); volume of the ones that I use are 12 oz (that's a half bottle of wine), which permits filling the glass less than half fill or less, so that swirling & smelling of the wine can be best appreciated.

Now, the other IMPORTANT issues are the number of shapes of glasses you want & their prices; personally, I just have one main choice for whites & reds - some will argue that certain wines are better appreciated in glasses of different sizes & shapes (mainly those who make expensive glassware, I guess?) - e.g. visit the Riedel Website (http://www.riedel.com/) - they offer innumerable options of hand-blown glassware at exorbitant prices (and there are less expensive offerings from others) - yes, blind tastings have been done implying that these 'different' shapes & sizes makes a difference - I don't know, but am unwilling to pay the prices being asked.

So bottom line for me, obtain a large glass (12 oz or more) & make sure that it is clear & fluted!  :)

Now, for sparkling wine (Champagne et al) - a tall fluted glass as shown below (on the right) is the best, so those are the two main 'shapes' in my collection; now, going beyond standard wines & sparklers into other options (e.g. ports), might require a different type of glassware; but bottom line is that you can keep it simple & cheap!  Dave  :D

(http://philosophyliterature.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/wine-glasses.jpg)  (http://www.julieholmes.co.uk/images/champagne_glasses.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on March 01, 2009, 06:50:17 PM
Thanks Dave.  Down the road, I will try to post a shot of the glasses we have.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: toledobass on March 01, 2009, 07:03:28 PM
If you want something decent for everyday use that you don't have to worry too much about, Target carries a low end line of Reidel that I've been happy with.

Allan
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 01, 2009, 07:04:30 PM
If you want something decent for everyday use that you don't have to worry too much about, Target carries a low end line of Reidel that I've been happy with.

Allan

I will check them out tomorrow, Allan, as I need to hit the big red for some grocery shopping.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 01, 2009, 08:33:56 PM
A glass:

http://www.lindemans.com/au/gifs/our_wines/pdf/reservecabsav2003.pdf
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 02, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
Any of you here have a set of wine glasses that you prefer?

Yes, I like Riedel, an Austrian crystal manufacturer. Here's our collection (the single small glass on the right is a Riedel Single Malt, a birthday present from Mrs. Rock):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/IMG_0363.jpg)


My favorite is the Chianti glass in the Vinum line (the middle of their price range).

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Riedel%20Chianti%20Classico%20180%20416%2015.jpg___300px_.jpg)

It's the perfect size and shape for almost any wine, red or white (except late harvest). In fact Riedel suggests using it for German dry Riesling too. I like the glasses so much I've used them every day for the last dozen years even though that's taken a toll. We've gone through a dozen! (We're using Ikea glasses for everyday use at the moment...until I can afford more Riedel.) I also like their Vinum Bordeaux and late harvest Riesling glasses. The Sommelier line of Champagne flutes (large, hand blown) are magnificent and, I think, worth the price for anyone who really loves Champagne and is a Kennedy...or crazy  ;D

In the next picture the Riesling glass is on the left, then Champagne and Bordeaux (along with the bottles we drank last night with our surf and turf dinner (Chateau Camensac is a fifth growth Bordeaux):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/IMG_0365.jpg)

Schott (German) makes a great line too, much like Riedel but half the price.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: bwv 1080 on March 02, 2009, 01:15:53 PM
Somebody recommend some $10 wines.  I am too cheap to spend more and getting sick of Montes Cab & Malbec, the only wines I can remember in that price range I have liked.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brewski on March 02, 2009, 01:35:11 PM
Somebody recommend some $10 wines.  I am too cheap to spend more and getting sick of Montes Cab & Malbec, the only wines I can remember in that price range I have liked.

I'm a huge fan of Australian shirazes, and many good ones are around that price.  Some good labels: Penfolds, d'Arenberg, Oxford Landing, Wyndham Estate, Jacob's Creek, Lindeman's, Black Opal.  And if you want really inexpensive ones, even some of the really bargain labels aren't bad, e.g., Yellow Tail, Little Penguin.  They taste perfectly good, just without the character that comes with more expensive bottles.

Probably my favorite "everyday" red wine is Wyndham Estate's Bin 555, a very deep-flavored shiraz.

--Bruce
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 02, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
My favorite is the Chianti glass in the Vinum line (the middle of their price range).

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Riedel%20Chianti%20Classico%20180%20416%2015.jpg___300px_.jpg)

It's the perfect size and shape for almost any wine, red or white ........

Hi Sarge - I like that glass above, pretty much the shape of my 'all-purpose' glass, but I could use some replacements and have looked at the 'less expensive' Riedel line - kind of like a 'thicker' stem & 'dish washer' safety; champagne flutes a necessity (have a couple types of those); no longer drink 'single malts' & cognacs, both of which I liked in those big brandy sniffers; also own some port glasses - but again I try to keep the choices simple these days - Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 02, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
Somebody recommend some $10 wines.  I am too cheap to spend more and getting sick of Montes Cab & Malbec, the only wines I can remember in that price range I have liked.

Well, difficult getting much of quality anymore in that $10 or less cost - might have to up your range to $15, which will provide a lot more options -  :-\

But, I agree; also drink a lot of those reds from Chile & Argentina; plenty of other wineries from those two countries seem to be coming into my area; also, there are a few more 'red' options, such as Carmenere to try (if not already done?); also, support Bruce's recommendation on the Australian reds, Shiraz, Cabs, & blends, but even the prices in that market are escalating - the 'Yellow Tail' brand has gotten some good reviews lately in the Wine Spectator -  :)

Washington State (Ch. Ste. Michelle, Columbia Crest, Hogue, etc.) has some great bargains for there more 'generic' reds, usually w/ Columbia Vly appellations; of course, their still are a lot of California reds that are inexpensive, might want to look at the Central Coast wineries, such as those in Paso Robles and adjacent areas, often less expensive; Zinfandel would be another recommendation, but even my favs from the past, such as Ridge, are now going into the $30 range!  :(

Wine Spectator each issue has plenty of 'value' recommendations, if you want to subscribe - they also have an online service to review their ratings, but subscription costs enter; occasionally, I've looked at this site called Cheap Wine Ratings (http://cheapwineratings.com/) - their upper limit is $20 - have not used them that often, but would be interested in how useful the site is for their stated purpose?

Don't know if this will be of much help because these cheaper wines just don't get reviewed much, so 'word of mouth' or personal tastings may be needed - good luck in your search (please report back if you find some great wines in that price range!) - Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on March 02, 2009, 03:53:44 PM



My favorite is the Chianti glass in the Vinum line (the middle of their price range).



Looks as though they go for about $20 a pop, Sarge.  Is that what you experienced?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on March 03, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Some time ago I went through my super market's wine section and bought a selection of twelve different wines. My sampling now brought me to a wine from Chile I have to point out to you.

It's Santa Ema, Reserve, a Merlot  Maipo Valley, the first thing I noticed was not the aroma or fragrance, but the unusual colour as I poured it. Such a deep red, almost on the blue-burgundy side. Yes it is dry, but pleasantly dry, no strong bite, and the chocolate aroma mixed with vanilla is so pleasant! I paid $14.95.

Could the unusual deep colour come from a handful of chocolate beans thrown in the vat?  ;D

Forgot: It's 2006.
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Post by: The new erato on March 03, 2009, 12:07:16 PM
Burlottos Langhe Freisa 2006. Very full and nice with the Freisa's traditional rustic style gracefully handled.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 04, 2009, 08:05:14 AM
Looks as though they go for about $20 a pop, Sarge.  Is that what you experienced?

Yes. They were approxiamately 20 bucks (the DMark equivalent) when I bought them. They're actually cheaper now in Europe. I've seen them offered for as low as €13 ($16).

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 04, 2009, 05:38:06 PM
....It's Santa Ema, Reserve, a Merlot  Maipo Valley, the first thing I noticed was not the aroma or fragrance, but the unusual colour as I poured it. Such a deep red, almost on the blue-burgundy side. Yes it is dry, but pleasantly dry, no strong bite, and the chocolate aroma mixed with vanilla is so pleasant! I paid $14.95.

Could the unusual deep colour come from a handful of chocolate beans thrown in the vat?  ;D   Forgot: It's 2006.

Hi Lis - have not seen you in this thread for a while but remember your purchase!  I've not seen that winery/brand in my area (not a surprise) but those Chilean Cabs & Merlots can be quite tasty, and a bargain!  I'm also 'searching out' more of these South American wines - if not already done, give the Malbec & Carmenere wines from Argentina & Chile a try - and please report back to us -  ;D   Dave
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 04, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
A couple of posts ago, a question was asked about $10 wines, and a number of us responded - one suggestion by me was to give Californian Zinfandel a try - this is a unique grape to the state (probably pages ago, I and/or others outlined the 'history' of this grape based on recent DNA analysis - orginated in the Balkan peninsula and crossed the Adriatric Sea to Italy as the Primitivo, then was brought to California in the 19th century) - bottom line (and if available to you), this remains an often bargain 'red wine' (I don't drink 'white' Zinfandel - that's just not its purpose, sorry but just my attitude, I guess), e.g. Bogle makes an inexpensive and decent wine from this grape.

Well tonight, my wife went to choir practice, and left me an Italian bean/pasta/tomato dish (which I love!) - calls for a fairly robust red wine, so I visited my basement cellar and brought up a Kenwood Jack London Vyd Zinfandel, 2004 vintage - this was purchased in 2006 for about $18 - thus, has been sitting there for 2+ yrs - on opening was still tannic, but after a glass, the next pour opened up into a deeply flavored red w/ a dark berry/currant bouquet - just delicious; Zindandels, if chosen well, will w/ age (and not much) evolve into wines that taste similar to Cabs & Bordeaux - this is a great grape to explore!

I've visited the Kenwood Winery in Sonoma Vly a number of times; their Jack London Vineyard, named after the American author, who lived in the 'Valley of the Moon' and wrote about the valley, the vineyards, and its wines, produces some wonderful wines from a number of different varietals; these are usually a little more expensive that their Sonoma offerings, but worth a try if highly recommended.

For the 'white wine' lovers reading this thread, I can recommend the Sauvignon Blanc from Kenwood Winery - usually made as a standard & a reserve bottling, the regular offering is inexpensive and usually delicious - the style is more 'acidic & grassy' - the current 2007 vintage has received excellent reviews - give it a try (usually made in large amounts & about $10) - enjoy -  :)

(http://www.kenwoodvineyards.com/img/bottles/lg/2003_jack_london__zinfandel.jpg)  (http://frugalmacdoogal.com/wine_features/small/kenwood_sonoma_sauvignon_blanc_2006.jpg)
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on March 04, 2009, 09:08:04 PM
and please report back to us -  ;D   Dave

I have been concentrating on concerts and of course operas, listening, watching and then writing about them; that takes up a lot of my time.  :)
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Post by: Bogey on March 05, 2009, 06:45:03 PM
A glass and a half with a nicely miranated and grilled steak:

(https://store.nexternal.com/kingestate/images/KEPN07lg.jpg)

Thanks for the rec. Dave.  They were out of the '06.

Tasting Notes - Aromas of dark cherry, raspberry, dried floral, and vanilla oak. On the palate dark fruit, blueberry, and oak char dominate. The mouthfeel is rich, with balanced acid and tannins.
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Post by: toledobass on March 05, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
are those your tasting notes B?

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Post by: Bogey on March 06, 2009, 04:25:05 AM
are those your tasting notes B?



Hardly, Allan.  Heck, I was hoping someone here could tell me what they mean. :D 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 06, 2009, 09:38:17 AM
Hardly, Allan.  Heck, I was hoping someone here could tell me what they mean. :D 

Bill - I was going to ask the same question, but from the wording probably off the King Estate website -  ;)  BTW, I was recommending their Pinot Gris, but they do make a nice Pinot Noir, as do many Oregon wineries.

Don't bother too much w/ those descriptions; each grape varietal seems to have a 'jumbo' of terms that seem to get 'regurgitated' in most wine reviews, and certainly by the wineries promoting their own products.  I visit a lot of North Carolina wineries, and the same terms (depending on the grape) seem to 'flow' from the mouths of the people pouring you their wines (of course, this is often pure memorization - not sure these servers have even tasted all the wines poured, and the wines from North Carolina are often just not that good,esp. the reds and will rarely exhibit the 'cornucopia' of aromas, tastes, & aftertastes attributed to them!) - Dave  ;D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 07, 2009, 07:29:09 PM
OK - I'm not sure how available this wine is described below, but just picked it up the other day @ Harris Teeter for about $14:

Novas - Carmenere (80% Carmenere & 20% Cabernet Sauvignon) from Chile; 2005 vintage (Colchagua Valley) - just picked up this red wine from the bottle appearance (below) - this wine for the price is just outstanding - I need to return to H-T and pick up some extra bottles for the cellar; the tannins are already quite smooth (could age easily for a year but pretty much ready to drink now) - worth a try if you like Bordeaux reds or Cabs from CA - please reply back if you give this wine a try -  :D

(http://jerichowine.com/images/products/n/Novas_Carmenere_Cabernet_Sauvignon.JPG)
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Post by: bwv 1080 on March 21, 2009, 05:56:17 PM
A couple of posts ago, a question was asked about $10 wines, and a number of us responded - one suggestion by me was to give Californian Zinfandel a try

Due to some business trips up to Sonoma, I have had too much really good zin to buy any here in TX. particularly the $10 stuff like Gnarly Head.   Try a case of this:

http://www.taltyvineyards.com/wines.html (http://www.taltyvineyards.com/wines.html)

The Chateu ste Michelle recommendation was good, I have added it to Montes on my $10 repertoire

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Post by: Bogey on March 21, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
A nice full glass of:

(https://store.nexternal.com/kingestate/images/KEPN07lg.jpg)

Had it with the "Renfield Salmon".  I actually liked this red with the fish.  Being a newbie at wine, is that OK?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 21, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
A nice full glass of:

(https://store.nexternal.com/kingestate/images/KEPN07lg.jpg)

Had it with the "Renfield Salmon".  I actually liked this red with the fish.  Being a newbie at wine, is that OK?

Bill - a perfect combination!  I eat a lot of fish at home & in restaurants; when I order Salmon or Tuna (the latter always on the 'rare' side), Pinot Noir is my wine of choice; matches the color of the fish & the mellow, less tannic taste of this grape is a perfect choice; so not to worry, a great selection - in Oregon, salmon & Pinot Noir is a MUST combination!  Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on March 21, 2009, 06:41:51 PM
Bill - a perfect combination!  I eat a lot of fish at home & in restaurants; when I order Salmon or Tuna (the latter always on the 'rare' side), Pinot Noir is my wine of choice; matches the color of the fish & the mellow, less tannic taste of this grape is a perfect choice; so not to worry, a great selection - in Oregon, salmon & Pinot Noir is a MUST combination!  Dave  :)

Well, what do you know.  Thanks, Dave.
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Post by: Bogey on March 21, 2009, 06:44:00 PM
Interesting thing happened.  I noticed that the last third of my fairly full glass (7-10 oz?) tasted better than the first two thirds.  In short, it got better during the half hour or so I was drinking it.  Does this make sense?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 21, 2009, 07:04:23 PM
Interesting thing happened.  I noticed that the last third of my fairly full glass (7-10 oz?) tasted better than the first two thirds.  In short, it got better during the half hour or so I was drinking it.  Does this make sense?

Of course, first after a little wine (and its effect) you may just be starting to 'relax' (for want of a better word); plus, depending on the red wine and its age, aeration may affect its taste (i.e. tannins, etc.) - this should not be a major issue w/ Pinot Noir (unless really young & tannic), but some of the more age-worthy reds, e.g. Bordeaux, Cabernets, Rhone-types, Piedmont Italian, etc. - allowing the wine to 'breath' (requiring decanting) often improves the flavors, tastes, and lessens the tannins - often, I've decanted some older 'reds' and have tried them that night & the 'leftovers' the next day, and I must say that the tastes are often different - so, what you're experiencing is one of the wonders of better red wines - Dave  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 22, 2009, 07:29:04 AM
A nice full glass of:

(https://store.nexternal.com/kingestate/images/KEPN07lg.jpg)

Had it with the "Renfield Salmon".  I actually liked this red with the fish.  Being a newbie at wine, is that OK?

As Dave pointed out, yes it's a great combination. We almost always have pinot noir with Salmon....and just last night, in fact: a 2005 German pinot noir (Spätburgunder) from the Deidesheim wine cooperative (Winzerverein Deidesheim).

Interesting thing happened.  I noticed that the last third of my fairly full glass (7-10 oz?) tasted better than the first two thirds.  In short, it got better during the half hour or so I was drinking it.  Does this make sense?

Excellent explanation by Dave. My family in Ohio experienced that for the first time last October the evening before I returned to Germany. We had a farewell dinner at a fine restaurant. I ordered two bottles of a Santa Barbara pinot noir and my brother-in-law, not a wine drinker, commented how each glass tasted somewhat different, with the last glass, the end of the bottle, being the most mellow, even sweet, and more to his taste. It is fascinating to experience this "living" phenomenon of good wines.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on March 22, 2009, 07:48:03 AM
Well, only one more glass left in the bottle, Sarge, so hopeful for tonight's taste.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 22, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
Well, only one more glass left in the bottle, Sarge, so hopeful for tonight's taste.

Bill - well, let us know your thoughts, and glad that you're enjoying the experience!  Dave  :D
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Post by: Bogey on March 22, 2009, 05:58:45 PM
Finished off this bottle:

(https://store.nexternal.com/kingestate/images/KEPN07lg.jpg)

Had this with some grilled pork chops that had a garlic pepper rub.  Also some red and orange peppers stuffed with black beans, rice, and a bit of lime juice, which were also grilled in aluminum foil.  Not only a great tasting dinner, but one that had plenty of color and eye appeal.  The wine worked well, but enjoyed it with the salmon a bit more.  Back to the wine store this week for a brand new bottle.  Maybe I will try that Novas, Dave.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 23, 2009, 02:49:01 PM
......... Back to the wine store this week for a brand new bottle.  Maybe I will try that Novas, Dave.

Bill - yep, give those South American 'reds' a try; usually for $10-$20, you can get an excellent value red wine from Chile or Argentina - try the Malbecs from Argentian & the Cabernets - Carmeneres from Chile.  Two Chilean wineries that ship to my area are Concha y Toro (reallly a MEGA-company) & Casa Lapostolle; The Argentian wineries are many, but the 'biggest' that we see in NC are Norton, Alamos, & Terrazas - let us know your experience!  Dave
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Post by: toledobass on March 23, 2009, 05:54:10 PM
I'll put in a second for the Concha Y Toro Casillero del Diablo Carmenere.  I like to get bottles of this stuff when I'm in the mood for a bigger red. Good thick bodied stuff without being overbearing. 

Allan 
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Post by: bwv 1080 on March 28, 2009, 03:09:45 PM
Tried a cheap Zin  - Deep Purple

Very sweet and somewhat flavorless, should have known from the weak 13.5% alcohol content

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 28, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
Tried a cheap Zin  - Deep Purple

Very sweet and somewhat flavorless, should have known from the weak 13.5% alcohol conten


Well, like I said before, you may have to up your 'cheap' level to $15 - a good red Zinfandel just is not 'sweet & flavorless' - try a current release of Seghesio - 2006 or 2007 (although a couple of years on an older vintage will mellow the wine,  like the one shown below) - my change your mind, but just a suggestion - Dave  :D

(http://www.englewoodwinemerchants.com/product_images/03Seghesio.JPG)
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Post by: bwv 1080 on March 28, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
Well, like I said before, you may have to up your 'cheap' level to $15 - a good red Zinfandel just is not 'sweet & flavorless' - try a current release of Seghesio - 2006 or 2007 (although a couple of years on an older vintage will mellow the wine,  like the one shown below) - my change your mind, but just a suggestion - Dave  :D

Thanks,

That looks more like a $20-30 wine from whats on the internet.  At 15.5% the alcohol content is right though
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 09, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
You mean nobody has been drinking anything RED WHITE or OTHER since the 27th of March? I don't believe it!

There is a new, for me, and enjoyable red wine. The one and only decent restaurant in this town had been opened about three years ago by a an Ukrainian immigrant; redhead, vibrant, lively and very happy lady in her thirties. She introduced me a to a wine from Georgia: Mukuzani, pleasantly dry, more like a mellow Merlot, grown, produced and bottled in Kakheti, Georgia.

If you should ever get near a place selling Russian wines, look for that one, I recommend it highly!  :)
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Post by: Daverz on April 09, 2009, 07:30:19 PM
Well, like I said before, you may have to up your 'cheap' level to $15 - a good red Zinfandel just is not 'sweet & flavorless' - try a current release of Seghesio

At the same price level I'd recommend Rosenblum.  I get it at Trader Joes.

Right now I'm drinking Gabbiano Chianti, which has become a favorite.  From Costco's huge wine selection.
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Post by: Bu on April 09, 2009, 08:10:32 PM
Finished off this bottle:

(https://store.nexternal.com/kingestate/images/KEPN07lg.jpg)

Had a bottle of that the other night with some pasta with marinara sauce as I flipped back and forth between the Dodger-Padres, A's-Angels games.  A good wine; it supplemented the dinner well and enhanced the taste, I think.

Tonight had some of this after supper, and it worked just fine as a dessert all by itself:
(http://www.portukale.com/WebRoot/ce_pt/Shops/233538/4956/6956/D4C1/476B/8DAB/3EC1/CD19/B277/pf_da_reserve.jpg)
Would love to explore more port wines, but feel a little constrained by the prices I'm finding.   :(
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 12, 2009, 06:46:17 AM
You mean nobody has been drinking anything RED WHITE or OTHER since the 27th of March? I don't believe it!

There is a new, for me, and enjoyable red wine. The one and only decent restaurant in this town had been opened about three years ago by a an Ukrainian immigrant; redhead, vibrant, lively and very happy lady in her thirties. She introduced me a to a wine from Georgia: Mukuzani, pleasantly dry, more like a mellow Merlot, grown, produced and bottled in Kakheti, Georgia.

Hello Lis -  :D  I've never had a wine from Georgia, i.e. the place near the Caucasus Mountains  - actually this area is claimed to be the 'historic' origin of wine making!  I have an old VHS set (4 tapes) on the history of wine made by Hugh Johnson (who also wrote & updated a book on the same subject).  But his 'opening' episode takes place in Georgia - quoted below from the Amazon website is a succinct description:

Quote
In the first instalment, he visits the Caucasus mountains, where "the cradle of wine" quite surprisingly turns out to be Georgia. There home-made wine is still done in the traditional way, with juice, skins, stems all allowed to ferment together in earthenware jars buried in the ground. A sample is extracted with a gourd ladle. Johnson tries the foul-looking stuff. His pronouncement? It's "got guts". And so we're off to our flying start....

Now, this set dates from the 1980s - I tried to 'burn it' to DVD, but even copy protected back then (so would need to do a few tricks!) - I've never seen a commercial DVD release of the series, but the production is quite excellent & informative.

BTW - I have been trying a handful of Greek wines at a little bistro in town - the names of the grapes are all unknown to me, but the wine is quite delightful and goes well w/ the food!  Dave  :)

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8f/d7/d10681b0c8a0ff7933229110.L._AA280_.jpg)  (http://www.imec-usa.com/caucasus-mountains-map.gif)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 12, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Just returned from an 'overnight' trip to the Charlotte area (visited some botanical gardens & some 'flower' pics - will post in the vacation thread later; also, attended a travelling exhibit at the Mint Museum from the New Orleans Museum of Art - quite good!).

On the way home yesterday, we came up I-85 North onto HW 52 North to visit the Childress Vineyards - quite an impressive place and just 20 miles south of Winston-Salem, our home town.  Being Saturday & an Easter weekend, the place was packed!  We had a light lunch at the bistro - skipped doing a wine tasting (just too crowded w/ lines waiting), but picked up most some 'white wines' and a Syrah, which they often do quite well; also a dessert wine & a sparlking one!  Will report back in the near future!  :D

BTW, an adjacent complex is being constructed w/ a Holiday Inn Express & shops just beginning to open - Richard Childress seems to want to make this a 'stopover' for those traveling north-south through the mid-Atlantic area; Lexington is nearby, so if you like NC BBQ, there are plenty of reasons for a stop -  :)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/186631345_954c133bc9.jpg?v=0)
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 14, 2009, 12:18:50 PM
This Georgian wine could some day replace my favourite Kiona Lemberger. Goodgosh it's good! So mellow and yet so dry. Even the fact that it was Stalin's favourite wine won't deter me from looking for a source. Sure, I could get a bottle from Inna every time I have dinner at her restaurant, but then I would pay at least three times the price of that at a wine store. Friendship with a new restaurateur from the Ukraine goes only so far!  ;)

http://georgianwines.blogspot.com/2007/04/mukuzani-red-wine.html
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 16, 2009, 09:36:45 AM
I have bragged often enough about Wenatchee's Finest, here is Inna's website. Take a look at her wine list!  0:)

I found a dealer in New Jersey,
linwoodwineco.com
 carrying the Georgian Mukuzani and yesterday they shipped to me the last nine bottles they had of the 2004 vintage! Surprised at the low price, $9.99 and even with hefty shipping of $46.25, it only comes to $15.11 a bottle. At Inna's a bottle at the table is $25.00, of course she is running a restaurant, I only have a friend over now and then.

We'll be at Inna's again tonight and I think I'll try that spinach pie for appetizer, it's her specialty.  8)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 18, 2009, 02:03:53 PM
.... carrying the Georgian Mukuzani and yesterday they shipped to me the last nine bottles they had of the 2004 vintage!

Lis - I'd love to try some wine from that 'historic' area of vino origins!   :D

Childress Vineyards - a few posts back in this thread; picked up a variety of different 'white' wines, a dessert selection, and a sparkling wine - none of these were really that good; even the Chardonnay Reserve was lacking in flavors, uni-dimensional, and just not worth the price - but this has been my usual experience w/ many North Carolina wines, esp. the reds; now, many of these properties are beautiful to visit and the wines will improve (the timing is the trick, i.e. 5 yrs or 2-3 decades?). 

The other day, I received nearly a case of Pinot Noirs from Oregon!  Actually, this included 3 orders from the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (which I've made comments on before in this thread), just delayed shipping until the weather improved - tonight trying the wine shown below, Cardwell Hill Pinot Noir 2006 - this is absolutely delicious; summary ratings HERE (http://www.cardwellhillwine.com/cardwellhillcellarsopening.htm), including a 91 rating from the Wine Spectator - now, this wine was likely made in 'small' amounts, but I'm going to check to see if anymore is available - bottom line is if you like this grape, give Oregon a try!   ;D

(http://dnj.netx.net/view/0182/p_18247.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 18, 2009, 07:13:12 PM
Lis - I'd love to try some wine from that 'historic' area of vino origins!   :D


. . . and yet, after my tasting, liking and ordering I am questioning my wisdom of buying wine produced on the other side of the world, then buying it from a dealer living on the other side of the USA - when I could take a half hour walk up the hill behind my house and get very tasty wine directly at the source!  ::)
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Post by: Senta on April 18, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
I'll throw in a contribution here! Especially since I'm partaking on this rainy Saturday night...

We're trying a round of Barefoot wine this weekend...tonight the Merlot and Pinot Grigio, soon the Moscato. Can't beat the price @ less than $6. Made in Modesto, CA, this is certainly a good value...the Merlot wasn't my favorite but well made...I just prefer a touch less tannin...the Pinot Grig is great though. Fresh and lemony grassy, very easy to drink, lovely floral nose. Definitely recommended!

Site here, available at most local grocery stores:
http://www.barefootwine.com/

(http://www.lasplash.com/uploads/3/barefoot_bottles_cu.jpg)

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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 19, 2009, 06:47:27 AM
I'll throw in a contribution here! Especially since I'm partaking on this rainy Saturday night...

We're trying a round of Barefoot wine this weekend...tonight the Merlot and Pinot Grigio, soon the Moscato. Can't beat the price @ less than $6.....................

Senta - thanks for the recommendation - I've not tried these wines but plenty 'good valued' vinos are being made in the world - another HUGE company putting out the Yellowtail wines from Australia have gleamed some good reviews in the Wine Spectator - please ALL continue to post your bargains!  :D

Just looking at the most recent issue of the Wine Spectator (May 31) - there is a feature article on Chilean wines, now some of the highly recommended ones are quite pricey - but take a look at their ratings from this article HERE (http://winespectator.com/Wine/Free/0,3739,253,00.html); plenty rated well & at good prices, if available in your area - happy hunting!  :)
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Post by: Bogey on April 19, 2009, 01:42:58 PM
(http://cache.wine.com/labels/89515d.jpg)

2006
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 24, 2009, 03:02:33 PM
(http://cache.wine.com/labels/89515d.jpg)  (http://www.ieuwa-wineclub.com.au/images/LimestoneCoastMap.jpg)


Hello Bill, the Greg Norman red & white selections from the Limestone Coast are always worth a try - good value, and usually rated in the mid-80s or higher in Wine Spectator; his Californian offerings are less spectacular, but not bad!

The Limestone Coast is in South Australia; if the map added above were expanded, the upper left corner would lead into the city of Adelaide, and just above that the famous Barossa Vly - thus, you're in one of the most important wine areas for quality 'vinous' products from Australia - Dave  :)
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 26, 2009, 09:05:14 AM
Dave: You have mentioned ordering wine and having it delivered to your home. I am wondering if you - or anybody else receiving shipments - is having the same problems I had here in this State: Washington. UPS requires a signature upon delivery, the recipient has to be over 21. I don't like it, but understand it. A day before delivery I get a voice message confirming the delivery and the time is given as 'between 8AM to 7PM!

If you are living alone do you have to hang around the front part of your house for eleven hours to make sure you don't miss the USP delivery person ringing the doorbell? How do you handle this delivery nuisance?  ???
 
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Post by: Bogey on April 26, 2009, 10:10:14 AM
Dave: You have mentioned ordering wine and having it delivered to your home. I am wondering if you - or anybody else receiving shipments - is having the same problems I had here in this State: Washington. UPS requires a signature upon delivery, the recipient has to be over 21. I don't like it, but understand it. A day before delivery I get a voice message confirming the delivery and the time is given as 'between 8AM to 7PM!

If you are living alone do you have to hang around the front part of your house for eleven hours to make sure you don't miss the USP delivery person ringing the doorbell? How do you handle this delivery nuisance?  ???
 

Not only that, UPS must ask you if you have been drinking before they can hand it over....oh, and I'm not making this up.
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 26, 2009, 10:40:40 AM
Very funny, Bogey I am sure you are making this up because: My UPS delivery person joked about hanging around for the opening of the box and partaking in a glass of that wine! - oh and that I did not make up!  ;D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 26, 2009, 12:47:22 PM
Very funny, Bogey I am sure you are making this up because: My UPS delivery person joked about hanging around for the opening of the box and partaking in a glass of that wine! - oh and that I did not make up!  ;D

Lis & Bill - away on a short medical trip so using my old laptop in the room - some good eats & drinks - will report later!

But, yes for UPS delivery, most of the online wine delivery services state than an adult signature is needed - that's why I rarely use them, unfortunately!  I am often working and Susan does a LOT of volunteer work, so is often not home; plus, we take a lot of short trips.  In the past, I've had a few wine packages brought to my house 3x by UPS, then stored in their local warehouse, ready to be shipped BACK after 3 days if I did not drive across town to pick it up myself; YES, a real PITA!  >:(

Now, the only place that I'm currently ordering online is from the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/StoreFront.bok), which I've belonged to for years; for some reason, I was able to correspond w/ Bob Wolfe who runs the club and he setup my account in which UPS DID NOT require a signature - the wine cartons are simply left at my doorstep - works out fine - since I don't know the exact delivery dates, when we are 'out of town' I have a friend or neighbor just drop by during the weekdays that we are gone.

I don't know if this is 'legal' or a 'legal option' w/ UPS, but I've been getting wine deliveries from this place for a number of years; nor do I know if the other online wine dealers offer a similar option?  If either of you or others find out or have made arrangements like mine, please let us know - I love Pinot Noir to death, but would certainly order from other services - wine availability is just 'so limited' in the area - Dave  :D
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Post by: Bogey on April 26, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
Very funny, Bogey I am sure you are making this up because: My UPS delivery person joked about hanging around for the opening of the box and partaking in a glass of that wine! - oh and that I did not make up!  ;D

Dead serious, Lis.  In fact, he said if he had detected alcohol on my breath then he would not hand over the package.  He seemed sincere.  I asked another UPS employee about this and he said the same thing.  Could it be a Colorado law?
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 26, 2009, 01:16:04 PM
As lunatic as the regulation sounded, I now have to believe you. Maybe it is the Colorado law, if it were the same in Washington surely the charming UPS delivery lady would not have made the remark about the glass to share with me.

 It wasn't even a charming UPS delivery male!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on April 26, 2009, 02:45:16 PM
As lunatic as the regulation sounded, I now have to believe you. Maybe it is the Colorado law, if it were the same in Washington surely the charming UPS delivery lady would not have made the remark about the glass to share with me.

 It wasn't even a charming UPS delivery male!

I will ask him again the next time I see him.   Great guy as well.  It was his third time trying to deliver the package and he decided to change his scheduled drop off a bit and try us at home as late as he could.  He makes all our deliveries and has so for years.  Even brings our basset hounds dog treats!
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on April 27, 2009, 07:26:24 AM
About that UPS/Signature subject: Yesterday I wrote to Linwood Wine Co. in NJ:

Speedy delivery and perfect packaging on my first purchase from you - except one nuisance: Your insistence UPS demanding my signature!
 
I live alone, am way over 21 years old, and UPS sent me voice mail the day prior to delivery and informed of delivery between 8AM and 7PM. I am certainly not willing to hang around the front portion of my home for eleven hours to make sure I don't miss the UPS delivery person ringing my door bell! Driving to their warehouse is an imposition, after all I pay a big sum for Home Delivery.
 
Could you remove the signature requirement, at least in my case?
 
Thank you very much.
Lis


This morning I received their speedy reply:

Hi Lis,

Thanks for your order and your e-mail.  We are required by law to apply an Adult Signature Required label on all of our packages, and attaching that label is a requirement in our agreements with UPS (and was with FedEx in the past; UPS and FedEx are the only two carriers licensed to ship wine).  If we were to ship wine without properly labeling the package, we would be subject to thousands of dollars in wines.

Please do not hesitate to contact me further.  Thank you again for your order.

Best regards,


Matthew Jordan, webmaster
http://www.linwoodwineco.com


Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 02, 2009, 03:30:46 PM
Dead serious, Lis.  In fact, he said if he had detected alcohol on my breath then he would not hand over the package.  He seemed sincere.  I asked another UPS employee about this and he said the same thing.  Could it be a Colorado law?

Hello Lis & Bill - now I'm not doubting your experience & I do not know the laws in Colorado, but I cannot believe that a UPS 'delivery person' has the authority to decide on whether to deliver a package (regardless of its contents) to an adult willing to sign based on the smell of his or her breath!  :o ;D

Just as an example, you have a lunch @ home w/ a beer - what right does a 'delivery boy' have to decide on dropping off a package because he/she smells 'beer' on your breath - I really can't accept this and feel that it's pure BS!

These delivery people are not doctors deciding if you're an 'alcoholic' needing treatment - they have absolutely no legal rights to assume this responsibility - it's all a joke  8)   But, hey just my feeling - Dave  :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 02, 2009, 03:47:05 PM
Bridlewood - Viognier (2007) - had this wine (pic below) tonight w/ some crab cakes & veggies - the winery HERE (http://www.bridlewoodwinery.com/ourwinesreserve.asp?v=VIO&t=24&y=v05) offers some excellent values in both white & red wines; out of California but readily available to me in North Carolina, and quite inexpensive.

The Viognier grape is most famous in the northern Rhone region of France; when well done, the grape can produce a wine w/ complex floral & citrus flavors - the acidity seems to be a little low for my tastes @ times (as in the example below) - but a grape worth exploring; now being grown in many parts of the planet; not only California, but even in the eastern states, i.e. Virginia & North Carolina, where I live!  In fact, I think this grape in the near future will be quite 'well done' here - I've tasted decent & poor examples to date, but have a lot of confidence in its potential future!

Give the grape a try - you might enjoy!  ;D


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2962743589_5dd78d8fd5.jpg?v=0)
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on May 02, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
Today we had a bottle of Muscat de Rivesaltes to go along with the duck rillettes, cheeses and assorted olives and pickles. An exuberantly expansive wine with powerful fruit and flowery scents. This one was a hit. Then for dinner we had a 2004 Château St-Thomas, a lebanese red from the Bekaa valley (cabernet sauvignon, syrah, merlot). Although it is already 5 years old and was decanted for more than 4 hours, it exhibited at once a commanding, almost intimidating structure. Extremely powerful in the palate, but with a welcome fullness that evolved into very pleasing aftertastes. Later on the tannins became rounded yet still firm, and the fruit more apparent. At the end of the meal it was all sweetness and flowery nose. A very complex and rewarding wine.

 (http://www.cazes-rivesaltes.com/images/shop/mid/17.jpg)(http://www.closstthomas.com/images/products_bot5.gif)
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Post by: The new erato on May 02, 2009, 09:43:57 PM
Last night with a small group of friends:

Lanson Gold Label 96
Larmandier-Berniere Vieilles Vignes de Cramant 98
Prager Achleiten Roesling 2005
Trimbach Cuvee Fredrich Emile 98
Dauvissat Chablis Les Preuses 99
Gruaud-Larose 89, St Julienne
Drouhin Clos de la Roche 2001
Giacosa Barbaresco 99

All shining and in perfect condition.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 03, 2009, 01:45:24 AM
Last night with a small group of friends:

Lanson Gold Label 96
Larmandier-Berniere Vieilles Vignes de Cramant 98
Prager Achleiten Roesling 2005
Trimbach Cuvee Fredrich Emile 98
Dauvissat Chablis Les Preuses 99
Gruaud-Larose 89, St Julienne
Drouhin Clos de la Roche 2001
Giacosa Barbaresco 99


 :o :o :o

Wow...I wanna be one of your friends  ;D  Do you belong to a wine club or was this an informal get-together, everyone contributing some sensational bottle?

Spargel season is in full swing. Last night I made pork schnitzels to go with the white asparagus. Silvaner is the recommended wine, and nowhere is better Silvaner made than in Franken:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Silvaner.jpg)


Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on May 03, 2009, 05:08:52 AM
:o :o :o

Wow...I wanna be one of your friends  ;D  Do you belong to a wine club or was this an informal get-together, everyone contributing some sensational bottle?

This was an informal gathering of friends (7) - but most of us are winenuts; members of the same wineclub (I'm chairman for 10 years) and I occasionally (monthly) also blogs about wine in a major national Norwegian newspaper. The Bordeaux and Chablis were mine. Tonight (in a few hours) a club tasting; 18 bottles of 96 Champagne.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 03, 2009, 05:53:03 AM
Today we had a bottle of Muscat de Rivesaltes to go along with the duck rillettes, cheeses and assorted olives and pickles. An exuberantly expansive wine with powerful fruit and flowery scents. This one was a hit. Then for dinner we had a 2004 Château St-Thomas, a lebanese red from the Bekaa valley......
 

André - believe that I would have really enjoy those two wines!  :D  Years ago, I used to buy Ch. Musar from the Bekka Vly (just shipped in here locally), and had a bunch of years in the basement cellar - just an outstanding value & delicious wine, as I recall - now I may need to re-visit some of these wine areas of the world; just don't want to spend the $$$ on the California Cabs & Classified Bordeaux Reds that I use to purchase!

Last night with a small group of friends:

Lanson Gold Label 96
Larmandier-Berniere Vieilles Vignes de Cramant 98
Prager Achleiten Roesling 2005
Trimbach Cuvee Fredrich Emile 98
Dauvissat Chablis Les Preuses 99
Gruaud-Larose 89, St Julienne
Drouhin Clos de la Roche 2001
Giacosa Barbaresco 99


Erato - I'd like to join Sarge for that tasting - and does bring back the 'old times' for me when I did participate in more wine tastings, and the wines listed above were still a reasonable price - believe that I've had about 2/3 of those offerings, likely not those years, but may have had the Gruaud-Larose 89 in my cellar a while back - now working on my mid-90 Bordeaux (and not left after those are gone, sadly) - Dave
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Post by: The new erato on May 03, 2009, 06:13:55 AM
but may have had the Gruaud-Larose 89 in my cellar a while back - now working on my mid-90 Bordeaux (and not left after those are gone, sadly) - Dave
Re Bordeaux, it's the same with me; the collection is petering out, a few 86s (including Lafitte and Margaux  ;D ) still left, a sole Palmer 89, some mid-90-ies stuff, a few 2000s (incl a stash of Dom de Chevalier and Sociando-Mallet); and the occasional bottle of Cantemerle and Pontet-Canet from 2004/5.

Luckily I'm well stocked in the Burgundy and Piemonte department!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 03, 2009, 07:46:01 AM
Erato - I'd like to join Sarge for that tasting - and does bring back the 'old times' for me when I did participate in more wine tastings, and the wines listed above were still a reasonable price - believe that I've had about 2/3 of those offerings, likely not those years, but may have had the Gruaud-Larose 89 in my cellar a while back - now working on my mid-90 Bordeaux (and not left after those are gone, sadly) - Dave

Re Bordeaux, it's the same with me; the collection is petering out, a few 86s (including Lafitte and Margaux  ;D ) still left, a sole Palmer 89, some mid-90-ies stuff, a few 2000s (incl a stash of Dom de Chevalier and Sociando-Mallet); and the occasional bottle of Cantemerle and Pontet-Canet from 2004/5.

Hey, I have 1989 Château Palmer in my cellar too...two bottles left from the half case I bought circa 1993.

Like you guys my collection of cru classé Bordeaux is damn near defunct. For financial reasons, my purchases of Bordeaux are pretty much now confined to cru bourgeois, grand cru Saint-Emilions and Bordeauxs from the areas outside the Haut-Medoc, Graves, and Pomerol; wines under 20 bucks, in other words. They can be tasty but don't seem to age as well...most don't develope into anything sensational.

As you can see by the photographs (left click to enlarge) the space that used to house my cru classé Bordeaux is looking rather sad these days  :(

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/web/Wine%20Cellar%201.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/web/Wine%20Cellar%202.jpg)

I haven't taken stock of the collection in quite a few years. After reading your messages I did a survey. Here's what I have left of my pre-2000 cru classé:

Château Lafite-Rothschild 1990 - 1
Château Lafite-Rothschild 1991 - 1
Château Haut-Brion 1991 - 2
Château Mouton-Rothshild 1993 - 1
Château Ducru Beaucaillou 1990 - 2
Château Gruaud Larose 1975 - 1
Château Gruaud Larose 1978 - 2
Château Léoville Barton 1990 - 1
Château Léoville Barton 1991 - 5
Château Palmer 1989 - 2
Château Cantenac Brown 1990 - 3
Château Beychevelle 1990 - 3
Château du Tertre 1995 - 3
Château Talbot 1983 - 2
Château Baitailley 1989 - 2
Château Grand-Puy-Ducasse 1989 - 3
Château Pape Clement 1990 - 3
Château La Croix de Gay 1990 - 1
Château Calon-Segur 1990 - 1
Château Rausan-Ségla 1985 - 1
Château Montrose 1982 - 1

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on May 03, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
I wouldn't wait too long on those 91-es. My next-to-last Palmer 89 were drunk recently, a light and elegant effort in no need of immediate drinking. I had the Rausan-Segla 85 10 years ago, I thought it relatively ready then.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 03, 2009, 02:50:55 PM
Hey, I have 1989 Château Palmer in my cellar too...two bottles left from the half case I bought circa 1993.

Like you guys my collection of cru classé Bordeaux is damn near defunct. For financial reasons, my purchases of Bordeaux are pretty much now confined to cru bourgeois, grand cru Saint-Emilions and Bordeauxs from the areas outside the Haut-Medoc, Graves, and Pomerol; wines under 20 bucks, in other words. They can be tasty but don't seem to age as well...most don't develope into anything sensational.................


Hey Sarge - I was quite interested in your list & looked at 'what' I had left - not much!  :-\

My last 'futures' purchase (which was the way I acquired Bordeaux for many years) was the 2000 vintage which arrived in 2003.

At the moment, I have what is listed below and will unlikely add much, if any, more (the 'times they are a changing'):

1995 - Ch. Lafon Rochet (2), Ch. Branaire Ducru (2), & Ch. Leoville Barton (2) - will likely be drinking these up in the next few years.
1996 - Ch. Pontet Canet (3), Ch. Lafon Rochet (3), & Ch. Lagrange (3) - will give each of these a 'try' soon.
2000 - Ch. Cantenac Brown (6), Ch. Lascombes (6), & Ch. Franc Mayne (6) - hmmm, 9 yrs - ready to try each one!

That's it guys - this use to be a 'major' part of my wine collecting, but now 'Gone w/ the Wind', I guess, just too damn expensive!  Dave  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 04, 2009, 02:58:15 AM
I wouldn't wait too long on those 91-es.

Yes, I know. I drank one of the Léovilles not too long ago and it was perfect. Time to drink them up. I was saving the first growths to share with my oldest friend (he still lives in our Ohio hometown) but he may not be able to visit Germany anytime soon. I may be forced to drink the '91 Haut-Brion and Lafite all by myself.  ;D


1995 - Ch. Lafon Rochet (2), Ch. Branaire Ducru (2), & Ch. Leoville Barton (2) - willlikely be drinking these up in the next few years.
1996 - Ch. Pontet Canet (3), Ch. Lafon Rochet (3), & Ch. Lagrange (3) - will give each of these a 'try' soon.
2000 - Ch. Cantenac Brown (6), Ch. Lascombes (6), & Ch. Franc Mayne (6) - hmmm, 9 yrs - ready to try each one!

That's it guys - this use to be a 'major' part of my wine collecting, but now 'Gone w/ the Wind', I guess, just too damn expensive!  Dave  :)

I have some Cantenac Brown, too, the 1990 vintage. I inadvertently overlooked it when transcribing the cellar list.

Prices have been coming down somewhat. Perhaps the world-wide recession will depress them further. But you know, at my age I'm not such an optimist any longer and question the wisdom of buying wine that needs to age 10, 15 years. Will I still be around to enjoy them even if I could afford them? Better to spend the money on immediate gratification, eh?  ;)

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on May 04, 2009, 04:12:33 AM
But you know, at my age I'm not such an optimist any longer and question the wisdom of buying wine that needs to age 10, 15 years. Will I still be around to enjoy them even if I could afford them? Better to spend the money on immediate gratification, eh?  ;)

Sarge
At 58 I'm there as well.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 04, 2009, 07:51:18 AM
At 58 I'm there as well.

Well, guys, I'm just past 60 y/o and I'll be buying 'reds' for near-term consumption or possibly ones that might improve over a 2-5 yr period @ the most!  ;D

I use to buy a lot of Vintage Ports, esp. in the 1970s & 80s, but my last purchases of that wine was in the early-mid 90s - still have a couple of cases left from the late 70s/80s, but plan to buy just LBV ones, if I get the urge -  :)
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on May 07, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
Last time I drank cru classés was when I was single. I recall the Gruaud-Larose (73?), Pontet-Canet and Léoville-Barton. Being very green in the matter I drank them as I bought them, so they weren't more than 3-4 year old, most probably missing 75% of their gustative value. Nowadays, 'regular ' Bordeaux are quite substandard (much inferior to many other soutwestern France AOC like Cahors or Saint-Chinian that go for 2/3 of the price). To get the real stuff of legends, one has to fork int the high 2-figures range - well, at least here. A 2004 Château Pontet-Canet, one of the lower grades among the 1855 classement, goes for over 100$, and a Léoville Las Cases goes for mid-3 figures  :P. . Who on earth would have the gall to pay such prices for a bottle of wine ?

Time to 'fess up: a lifelong dream of mine has been to drink a Château d'Yquem. Not the priciest of them all, but still way out of reach for my wallet. Has anyone ever had the chance to taste it ?
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Post by: The new erato on May 07, 2009, 08:04:22 PM
A 2004 Château Pontet-Canet, one of the lower grades among the 1855 classement, goes for over 100$,
I actually have a couple of those and would guess I paid about 70 USD for them (in Norway).
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Post by: DavidRoss on May 08, 2009, 04:06:54 AM
Time to 'fess up: a lifelong dream of mine has been to drink a Château d'Yquem. Not the priciest of them all, but still way out of reach for my wallet. Has anyone ever had the chance to taste it ?
Yep.  Not the nectar of the gods (that would be the '66 Léoville Las Cases or damned near any Margaux!), but pretty good if you like the sweet stuff.  Seems to me that I've had botrytisized Napa wines that are comparable.

Your tale of drinking young wines shortly after bottling reminds me of a sad, sad story, related by a friend who managed a high end wine shop back in the '70s.  The '70s had recently been released.  Some guy kept coming in every month or so and buying a case of Mouton Rothschild.  Turned out this rube was drinking the stuff!  (I had a '70 Mouton--the Warhol label--sometime in the early '80s; it was drinkable but still had a good ways to go.)
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on May 08, 2009, 02:20:31 PM
I love dessert wines. The latest I had was a stunning Muscat de Rivesaltes. Its nose (scents) fairly jumped at you, a heady mix of ripe fruits and flowers. In the mouth it had an almost explosive quality. At 15% alccol content, it's limit for drinking à la soif. With pâtés and nuts it was purrrrrfect.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 08, 2009, 02:22:20 PM
Last time I drank cru classés was when I was single. I recall the Gruaud-Larose (73?), Pontet-Canet and Léoville-Barton. ........

Time to 'fess up: a lifelong dream of mine has been to drink a Château d'Yquem. Not the priciest of them all, but still way out of reach for my wallet. Has anyone ever had the chance to taste it ?

Hi André - well, those classified Bordeaux growths that I listed previously are the LAST in my collection - I'm not planning to buy anymore; the prices are just outrageous (even if one might be able to afford a few!  Same w/ California cabernets) - now there are some 'bargain' reds from France that receive great reviews in the Wine Specatator, esp. from southern France, but the few that may be shipped to my area, I just can't bother searching - I can buy decent Australian, Northeast coastal USA, & Chile/Argentina reds at many of my local grocery stores for less than $20/bottle.

As to Ch. d'Yquem, I've never had the pleasure, although sometimes offered as a 'dessert' glass in a number of restaurants that I have dined, the $50-$60 for a couple of ounces dissuaded me -  ;) :D

Now, back in the 1980s, Susan & I fell in love w/ Sauternes (i.e. the 'real stuff' from Bordeaux) - for a number of years I bought 1/2 bottle 'futures' of many of the better Sauternes in the best years recommended (never any Ch. d'Yquem, just too expensive); I aged these wines for 5-10 yrs, and I must say that nearly all were absolutely delicious; the young oak & brotrytis flavors just meld together beautifully; the acidity must be maintained & the color darkens - these wines were just glorious, and I can imagine that the TOP of this heap would just add onto these flavors.  Most that try a 'young' inexpensive Sauterne from a lesser producer or vintage will just have absolutely no idea what these 'better' wines can offer w/ 10 yrs of age!  Dave  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2009, 02:21:12 AM
Time to 'fess up: a lifelong dream of mine has been to drink a Château d'Yquem. Not the priciest of them all, but still way out of reach for my wallet. Has anyone ever had the chance to taste it ?

I bought a few bottles of the 1987 in the early 90s. I still have one left--along with several other cru classé Sauternes (left click to enlarge):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Sauternes.jpg)

The only reason I could afford the wine was because '87 was not one of the great vintages (anywhere in Europe actually: rotten weather that year). The half bottles cost "only" 300 francs (about $50). Was it worth it? Definitely. I've tasted many late harvest/dessert wines (the Germans make fantastic sweet wine) but even in that off-year, the Yquem was special. To quote Robert Parker: "There is no other wine in the world like it, and there is no other luxury wine that can possibly justify its price as much as Yquem." The amount of sweetness and acid was staggering--huge amounts of both--but perfectly balanced; the taste of vanilla, oak and intense tropical fruit flavors mind-boggling.

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on May 09, 2009, 02:25:51 AM
News for you Sarge, I just came home from the Norwegian state monopoly with the following wines (mostly in 1 bottle quantities but a few 3packs as well):

Gau

Weil Kiedrich Græfenberg Riesling Kabinett trocken 07  240
Weil Kiedrich Turmberg Riesling trocken 05  299,90
Weil Riesling Spætlese trocken 07 265
Weil Kiedrich Græfenberg  Riesling trocken 07  396,20
Breuer Orleans Rudesheim 07 486
Breuer Terra Montosa 2007  232
Breier Berg Rottland Riesling 07 329
Kunstler Hockheimer Hølle GK Riesling 07 449,90
Künstler Hochheimer Hölle Riesling Auslese Trocken 2004  369,90
Künstler Riesling Hochheim Hölle 1. gewächs Trocken 2007 349,90
Künstler Hochheimer Stielweg Riesling "old Vines" trocken 2007  299,90
Kunstler Hockheimer Stielweg Riesling Spætlese trocken 99  269,90
Leitz Rudesheimer Berg Schlossberg 07 209,70
Leitz Rudesheimer Berg Kaisersteinfels 08 209,70

Hessen:

Wagner-Stempel Siefersheim Heerkretz 05   350
Wagner-Stempel Siefersheim Heerkretz 07   356
Wagner-Stempel Riesling trocken 07 148,50
Wagner-Stempel Siefersheim Riesling trocken 07 191,40
Wittmann Westhofen Morstein Riesling GG trocken 07   395
Wittmann Westhofen Morstein Riesling trocken 06   380   
Wittmann Westhofener Riesling trocken S 233
Kuhling-Gillot Quinterra Riesling trocken 07 145
Kuhling-Gillot Nierstein Riesling 06 199,90
Kuhling-Gillot Nierstein Oelberg Riesling 06 299,90
Keller Riesling trocken 2008 169,90
Keller Riesling von der Fels 2007 229,90
Freiherr Heyl zu Herrnsheim Nierstein Pettental Riesling trocken 06 319
Freiherr Heyl zu Herrnsheim Nierstein Pettental Riesling Spætlese trocken 04 279
Freiherr Heyl zu Herrnsheim Riesling trocken 07  159,90

Pfalz
Koehler-Ruprecht Kallstadter Saumagen Riesling Kabinett trocken 07   129,90
Koehler-Ruprecht Kallstadter Riesling Kabinett trocken 07   129,50 
Koehler-Ruprecht Kallstadter Saumagen Riesling Auslese trocken 07   149,50
Koehler-Ruprecht  Philippi Pinot Noir 01  267,30
Koehler-Ruprecht  Philippi Chardonnay 99  251,80
Burklin-Wolf Forster Pechstein Riesling 2001    399
Burklin-Wolf Ruppertsberger Gaisbøhl Riesling 2005  349   
Burklin-Wolf Wackenheimer Riesling Bøhlig 07 249,40
Reichsrat von Buhl Forster Pechstein Riesling trocken 07 300
Reichsrat von Buhl Forster Jesuitengarten Riesling trocken 07 300
Reichsrat von Buhl Deidesheimer Herrgottsacker Riesling trocken 07 178,80
Becker Spætburgunder 2007  189,90
Becker Spætburgunder “b“ 2007  264,90
Knipser Laumersheiner Kapellenberg Riesling Kabinett trocken 07  144,90

The numbers are Norwegian prices. We are gonna do several German tastings, including a Nahe tasting in the near future....
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2009, 03:48:26 AM
I'm familiar with all those vintners except Wagner-Stempel. Great wines! Becker's Spätburgunder is a favorite of mine (love the fox label  :) ). We don't often get to the Weingut--because it's located in Schweigen right on the border with France (Alsace), about a 45 minute drive-- but a restaurant in our area offers his reds.

That you bought some Wittmann and Keller Riesling is interesting. Their estates are very near us: Westhofen 8 km west, Flörsheim-Dalsheim 14. The vinyards in those villages were once thought to be substandard, not capable of producing great wine like the vineyards of the Rheinterrasse (those vineyards that lie close to the Rhine). Wittmann and Keller have proven that wrong...and decisively! I just wish their wine were cheaper! I can't afford to drink their best very often.

The Rheingaus you bought are among my favorites too: love the Riesling produced on the opposite sides of the area: in Rudesheim in the west; Kiedrich/Rauenthal in the east...not forgetting that southern island Hochheim. I really enjoy Künstler's hoch  8)

Have you had wine from the Kallstadter Saumagen before? We like to joke that we've often drunk Saumagen while eating Saumagen while sitting in the Saumagen (a beautiful place to picnic: the vineyard is actually shaped like a sow's belly  :D )

We haven't had a Knipser wine recently. He used to barrique all his wine, even the Riesling  :o  Let me know if you detect oak when you drink that Kabinett. 

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on May 09, 2009, 05:03:09 AM


Have you had wine from the Kallstadter Saumagen before? We like to joke that we've often drunk Saumagen while eating Saumagen while sitting in the Saumagen (a beautiful place to picnic: the vineyard is actually shaped like a sow's belly  :D )


Yes, often. Koehler-Ruprecht is a very interesting producer, doing the Burgundy "thing" with his wines (extended Fuder time, lees contact etc), and superb VFM. They age superbly. I visited in 97. I visited Mosbacher as well, I've drunk quite a lot of his Ungeheuer and Pechstein (a particular favorite) 2004s. I did the Sudliche Weinstrasse and stayed the night in Wackenheim IIRC before going on to Bad Kreuznach and up the Nahe.

Yes, very interesting what Keller and Wittman have achieved, I've had the occasional bottle (of 2004s I think) and they always impress greatly. 
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Post by: Bogey on May 09, 2009, 08:23:37 PM
(http://s7ondemand4.scene7.com/is/image/JohnLewis/230514045?$product$)

A glass tonight with dinner at a local restaurant. Both the wife and I enjoyed it, and she doesn't even like wine....until tonight.
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on May 15, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
I bought a few bottles of the 1987 in the early 90s. I still have one left--along with several other cru classé Sauternes (click on thumbnail):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/icons/Sauternes.jpg) (http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Sauternes.jpg)

The only reason I could afford the wine was because '87 was not one of the great vintages (anywhere in Europe actually: rotten weather that year). The half bottles cost "only" 300 francs (about $50). Was it worth it? Definitely. I've tasted many late harvest/dessert wines (the Germans make fantastic sweet wine) but even in that off-year, the Yquem was special. To quote Robert Parker: "There is no other wine in the world like it, and there is no other luxury wine that can possibly justify its price as much as Yquem." The amount of sweetness and acid was staggering--huge amounts of both--but perfectly balanced; the taste of vanilla, oak and intense tropical fruit flavors mind-boggling.

Sarge

Thanks, Sarge, that confirms some comments I've read. I'll start a savings account to afford a bottle before the year ends !
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Post by: Papageno on May 15, 2009, 03:43:04 PM
(http://www.organic-champagne.co.uk/images/productimages/medium/HSS05.jpg) + (http://www.empire.k12.ca.us/CAPISTRANO/Mike/capmusic/baroque/bach/bach.h1.jpg)
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on May 17, 2009, 04:55:42 PM
Enjoyed this week's issue of The New Yorker and an article of interest to all wine consumers here at GMG.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/18/090518fa_fact_goodyear

I think I'll stay away from low budget California wines even more than I did before reading the article.  :(
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Post by: MishaK on May 17, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
Nowadays, 'regular ' Bordeaux are quite substandard (much inferior to many other soutwestern France AOC like Cahors or Saint-Chinian that go for 2/3 of the price). To get the real stuff of legends, one has to fork int the high 2-figures range - well, at least here.

That's not necessarily the case. You should check out some of the Bordeaux cru bourgeois. There are some excellent values to be found there for well under $25 per bottle. E.g. Chateau Barreyres, Chateau d'Arcins or Chateau Plagnac.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 18, 2009, 09:15:14 AM
Enjoyed this week's issue of The New Yorker and an article of interest to all wine consumers here at GMG.

I think I'll stay away from low budget California wines even more than I did before reading the article.  :(

Yep, Fred Franzia and his Two Buck Chuck have been in the news since the wine was orginally released by the 'outspoken' Franzia - I've never sampled the wine, so cannot vouch for its taste or value at that price!

But, I must say that his statement that no wine should cost more than $10 surely must strike a nerve for many of us who are frequent puchasers and consumers of various vinous products -  :D

I also feel that the escalation of prices for many wines that I use to buy at 1/5 or 1/10 their current costs is outrageous in general and certainly in today's economy - one of the best examples for me are the California Cabernets, of which I use to have a large collection & purchased at reasonable prices, but no longer - in fact, I now have more South American Reds than those from California.  I guess my only 'splurge' wine these days are the Oregon Pinot Noirs (in which I'm willing to spend up to $30 a bottle, and even these are becoming rarer!).

Although I do not plan to consume any $2 Chuck in the near future, the $5-$10 wine market is certainly of great interest to many seeking value in their wine budgets!    8)
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on May 18, 2009, 09:26:10 AM
Thanks for your reply, Dave!

I still get my Kiona Lemberger at $9.99 a bottle, minus a 10% discount at the checkout if I buy more than 4 bottles! I am still searching for North Italian, that is: South Tyrolean wines, especially any Lakrein Kretzer. Should you find any, I'll take them all!  ;D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 18, 2009, 09:55:46 AM


I still get my Kiona Lemberger at $9.99 a bottle, minus a 10% discount at the checkout if I buy more than 4 bottles! I am still searching for North Italian, that is: South Tyrolean wines, especially any Lakrein Kretzer. Should you find any, I'll take them all!  ;D

G'day Lis - you know, I still have not had a Lemberger wine!  :-\

But out of curiosity, just looked a little for info on $2 Chuck line of wines; below (left) are some of the white & red offerings - not sure if these are still being offered at that price or whether the bottle pricing has escalated to $3?  Note - Charles Shaw is the brand name for this wine; and below (right), Fred himself @ the bottling line! Dave  :D

(http://lovemybartender.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/two-buck-chuck.jpg?w=257&h=300)  (http://www.wine-flair.com/faqs/uploaded_images/Fred-Franz-703045.jpg)
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Post by: Brünnhilde forever on May 18, 2009, 10:19:57 AM
And that's how the artist Ralph Steadman at The New Yorker sees him! It's so hilarious, I want to share it with you.
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Post by: bwv 1080 on May 18, 2009, 06:12:17 PM
Was up in the bay area last week and had this zin at a business dinner:

(http://morrellwine.com/images/products/big/172064.jpg)

Great wine, but very unique - lacks the fruityness of most zins, the description below fits pretty well:

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Deep red. Deep, musky aromas of dark fruits, mocha, tobacco and cracked pepper, lifted by sweet spices; this reminded me of Howell Mountain fruit. Sweet, creamy and deep, with a peppery lift but a complete absence of hard edges. Not a fruity style but nuanced and interesting. Finishes quite long, with suave tannins.


http://morrellwine.com/product_descr.php?pid=172064&source=froogle&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=productfeed&utm_campaign=frooglefeed (http://morrellwine.com/product_descr.php?pid=172064&source=froogle&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=productfeed&utm_campaign=frooglefeed)

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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 19, 2009, 04:53:19 PM
Just returned from a long weekend on the Biltmore Property in Asheville, North Carolina, which has many amenities, including the famous Biltmore House - we stayed at the Inn on Biltmore Estate (pic below) - had a room that overlooked the Biltmore Winery (http://www.biltmore.com/visit/winery/default.asp) and of course the wonderful Blue Ridge Mountains -  :D

This winery is the MOST visited in the United States, although not certainly the largest in production; the number of products produced is astounding and also 'atypical' for most of NC wineries in that this winery 'sources in' many grapes from other areas of the country, including California; now, this decision is actually a 'smart' one on their part, i.e. many of their non-NC wines are actually quite good and tasty (and at good prices) - just tonight, I was sampling their 2007 Pinot Noir Reserve w/ Russian River grapes from California; just a superb wine at a great price; so if you are in the western part of North Carolina in the Asheville area, make it a point to visit the Biltmore House and also stop @ the winery for a tasting and possible purchase of some quite decent wine offerings!  ;D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/338842507_gFDoY-M.jpg)  (http://wineshop.biltmore.com/prodimg/105881.jpg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 01, 2009, 02:31:53 PM
Well, let's bring this thread back TTT!  ;D

Now, I've been drinking plenty of wine (and probably true for others) - we just need to discuss more of our vinous experiences, please!  :)

But, for this post, a book about wine that I am reading currently:

The Billionaire's Vinegar: The Mystery of the World's Most Expensive Bottle of Wine (2008) by Benjamin Wallace - about the potentially fraudulent bottle of red Bordeaux from the 1780s owned by Thomas Jefferson - reviews have been generally good but a little mixed; of course, I'm enjoying the read (a lot of historic perspective) - probably would not recommend for the 'beginner' but comments can be found HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Billionaires-Vinegar-Mystery-Worlds-Expensive/dp/0307338789/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243898390&sr=8-1) -  8)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bkUSGHg8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on June 01, 2009, 02:36:53 PM


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bkUSGHg8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Looks fascinating, Dave.  I take it that you have seen this:

(http://qpbs.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2308770reg.jpg)

and this is on my reading list:

(http://www.bookshop247.com/store/avactis-images/pimage_161.jpg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 01, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
Looks fascinating, Dave.  I take it that you have seen this & this is on my reading list:


(http://qpbs.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2308770reg.jpg)  (http://www.bookshop247.com/store/avactis-images/pimage_161.jpg)

Good evening Bill - well, the book is actually on my 'to buy' list, but I've not seen that DVD - would love to though!  However, seems to not be available from Amazon (except for an exorbitant 'used' price) and not offered by Netflix - hmmm!  :-\

Have you seen the DVD?  And if so, is it worth more of a web search for me?  Thanks for any information - Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on June 01, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
Good evening Bill - well, the book is actually on my 'to buy' list, but I've not seen that DVD - would love to though!  However, seems to not be available from Amazon (except for an exorbitant 'used' price) and not offered by Netflix - hmmm!  :-\

Have you seen the DVD?  And if so, is it worth more of a web search for me?  Thanks for any information - Dave  :)

Wonderful overview, Dave.  We bought it for some friends after seeing on PBS, where you also can purchase it.(http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1964.gif)

http://www.shoppbs.org/product/index.jsp?productId=2124838&cp=&kw=wine+jefferson&origkw=wine+jefferson&sr=1
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 01, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
Wonderful overview, Dave.  We bought it for some friends after seeing on PBS, where you also can purchase it.(http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1964.gif)

http://www.shoppbs.org/product/index.jsp?productId=2124838&cp=&kw=wine+jefferson&origkw=wine+jefferson&sr=1

Bill - ya know, I may have seen that when first shown on PBS - thanks for the reminder; guess I'll have to put that one on my 'to buy' list also!  Dave  :D
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Post by: Brewski on June 02, 2009, 08:42:59 AM
I have been increasingly in love with South African wines, mostly reds, and mostly Shiraz and Pinotage varieties.  Last week had a bottle of Durbanville Hills Shiraz from 2006, with a heavenly spicy flavor and beautiful dark purple/magenta color.

I enjoy all kinds of wines depending on the occasion, but if I had to choose, the fullest-bodied reds are what I like the most, e.g. Cabernet Sauvignon and Zinfandel, or others with so much character they smack you in the face (figuratively speaking of course).  :D

--Bruce
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Post by: Bogey on June 07, 2009, 04:28:52 PM
If you want something decent for everyday use that you don't have to worry too much about, Target carries a low end line of Reidel that I've been happy with.

Allan

Are these the ones that go for about $10 per glass, Allan?

Dave, I saw some like these also:

(http://philosophyliterature.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/wine-glasses.jpg)

Heavier than the Reidel and just $10 for a set of four.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 08, 2009, 08:09:19 AM
Are these the ones that go for about $10 per glass, Allan?

Dave, I saw some like these also:

(http://philosophyliterature.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/wine-glasses.jpg)  (http://images.marketplaceadvisor.channeladvisor.com/hi/72/72196/408_00.jpg)

Heavier than the Reidel and just $10 for a set of four.

Hi Bill - I usually use just one type of glass for wine (white or red; but, of course, sizes and shapes can vary depending on the vino!) - the glass I inserted above looks pretty much like the one I use - should be clear, tapered at the top, and about 12 oz (which will allow for a 4-6 oz pour); I also like a heavier stem, esp. if going into the dishwasher - the ones that I own are inexpensive (maybe $2-3/glass) - in the market for some 'new' ones and again will favor the shape shown above; good luck in your selection!  Dave  :D
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Post by: toledobass on June 08, 2009, 08:24:51 AM
Are these the ones that go for about $10 per glass, Allan?



Bog,

It's the vivant line and every target I've been in caries it.  It is about $10 a stem and usually coming in a package of 4 stems.  I have a few and like them.  They're more comfortable than anything else in the price range that I've tried (stuff from places like wiliam sonoma, libby glass, pattery barn..etc)

I'll add that I like my wine glasses to be as light as possible so they vibrate as much as possible with every sip and motion.  Just my preference though.


Allan
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 16, 2009, 07:39:27 AM
The Cultivated Life - a DVD about Thomas Jefferson & wine, concentrating mainly on this relationship; suggested by Bill in a previous post; purchased from PBS for about $20 - 75 minute documentary done quite well w/ great cinematography & excellents interviews.  Could have been longer, of course (at least for me) - there was much discussion on the native American grapes in Virginia and the failure of the European varietals to be raised in the area at the time, but little if anything on the reasons why?  The main culprit was Phylloxera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylloxera), the tiny root louse which later devastated European vineyards in the late 19th century, until grafting of the European varieties onto American rootstock was discovered.  Bottom line - highly recommended, esp. if you are a TJ fan!  :D
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Post by: Bogey on June 16, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Glad you enjoyed it, Dave.  Hope to secure a copy myself.

Allan, took a bottle of this to a dinner party the other night.  Your table wine was a hit!

(http://frugalmacdoogal.com/wine_features/medium/coppola_rosso_2006.jpg)

The gentleman that sold me the bottle said to try and grab some from his Director Cuts line,  so I snagged this:

(http://cache.wine.com/labels/97457l.jpg)

2007 Pinot Noir for about $23.  We are going to save this to drink at the annual Academy Awards Party we have or go to each year. :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 16, 2009, 04:29:57 PM
The gentleman that sold me the bottle said to try and grab some from his Director Cuts line,  so I snagged this:

(http://cache.wine.com/labels/97457l.jpg)

2007 Pinot Noir for about $23.  We are going to save this to drink at the annual Academy Awards Party we have or go to each year. :)

Bill - can't quite see the the origin of the label shown - i.e. country & producer please!  :D

As you may know, my favorite red wine grape is Pinot Noir, so just curious about the history of your wine?  Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on June 16, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
Bill - can't quite see the the origin of the label shown - i.e. country & producer please!  :D

As you may know, my favorite red wine grape is Pinot Noir, so just curious about the history of your wine?  Dave  :)

Here you go, Dave.  Mine is 2007:

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_Za9dUl3jzA0/R1R3JNZIFlI/AAAAAAAAAx8/9AZAH9sVf0E/s400/002.JPG)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp2.blogger.com/_Za9dUl3jzA0/R1R3JNZIFlI/AAAAAAAAAx8/3W-ZouV2u48/s1600-R/002.JPG&imgrefurl=http://passionatefoodie.blogspot.com/2007/12/2006-francis-ford-coppola-directors-cut.html&usg=__8NwT9vibVA6rl9sBpMST1iH-0qc=&h=1600&w=1200&sz=175&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-GUp3sohz9bVTM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoppola%2Bpinot%2Bnoir%2Bdirectors%2Bcut%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 16, 2009, 05:09:51 PM
Here you go, Dave.  Mine is 2007:

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_Za9dUl3jzA0/R1R3JNZIFlI/AAAAAAAAAx8/9AZAH9sVf0E/s400/002.JPG)

Wine Desription HERE (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp2.blogger.com/_Za9dUl3jzA0/R1R3JNZIFlI/AAAAAAAAAx8/3W-ZouV2u48/s1600-R/002.JPG&imgrefurl=http://passionatefoodie.blogspot.com/2007/12/2006-francis-ford-coppola-directors-cut.html&usg=__8NwT9vibVA6rl9sBpMST1iH-0qc=&h=1600&w=1200&sz=175&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-GUp3sohz9bVTM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoppola%2Bpinot%2Bnoir%2Bdirectors%2Bcut%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1)


Bill - have not had that wine, but looks like a good Coppola selection - the 2007 should certainly last until your sampling - let us know then!  Dave  :D
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Post by: Harry on June 18, 2009, 07:46:01 AM
I was given two bottles of Highland single malt 18 years old, from a female friend from Ireland, and its just amazing, so pure and soft.....
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Post by: Bogey on June 25, 2009, 03:27:56 PM
My wife treated me to a few goodies this past Father's Day:

(http://www.cultivatedlife.com/images/dvd_large.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/718ZFRBRHQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.gif)

and three bottles of wine from:

http://www.jeffersonvineyards.com/
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Post by: Bogey on June 27, 2009, 05:11:46 AM
My wife and I just found a little wine shop (they hardly sell anything else) in Old Town Arvada (A small little historic town nearby).  It is family owned and the folks could not be nicer and answer all our newbie questions with enthusiasm.  Their prices run the gambit from $8 -$700 a bottle, but as said here, they pointed out that one does not have to  spend a lot to find an enjoyable wine.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 27, 2009, 05:34:17 AM
My wife treated me to a few goodies this past Father's Day:

(http://www.cultivatedlife.com/images/dvd_large.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/718ZFRBRHQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.gif)

and three bottles of wine from:  http://www.jeffersonvineyards.com/

Hello Bill - as mentioned before, I enjoyed that DVD on Jefferson, and still have that previous book mentioned on my 'to buy' list!

Susan & I do 'short' vacations into Virginia a couple times a year, and to Charlottesville at least every 2-3 years; the Boar's Head Inn (http://www.boarsheadinn.com/) is a great place to stay (think that I may have posted in the 'vacation thread' after our last visit?) - we decided to skip Monticello this time, and visited Poplar Grove further south - Jefferson's 'get away' place just now being restored (and a subject of a show w/ Roy Underhill on PBS) & also Montpelier - Madison's home, also under restoration; in addition, Monroe's home, Ash Lawn, is also in the area!

Of course, no trip into Virginia is complete w/o a visit to a number of regional wineries; many are nestled in the more mountainous areas, thus some beautiful scenery - let's us know you experience w/ those Virginian wines!  Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on June 27, 2009, 05:44:47 AM
Hello Bill - as mentioned before, I enjoyed that DVD on Jefferson, and still have that previous book mentioned on my 'to buy' list!

Susan & I do 'short' vacations into Virginia a couple times a year, and to Charlottesville at least every 2-3 years; the Boar's Head Inn (http://www.boarsheadinn.com/) is a great place to stay (think that I may have posted in the 'vacation thread' after our last visit?) - we decided to skip Monticello this time, and visited Poplar Grove further south - Jefferson's 'get away' place just now being restored (and a subject of a show w/ Roy Underhill on PBS) & also Montpelier - Madison's home, also under restoration; in addition, Monroe's home, Ash Lawn, is also in the area!

Of course, no trip into Virginia is complete w/o a visit to a number of regional wineries; many are nestled in the more mountainous areas, thus some beautiful scenery - let's us know you experience w/ those Virginian wines!  Dave  :)

Dave,
On our last trip out east, we stayed at the Boar's Head Inn.  It was our favorite retiring quarters during our ramblings across the area.  We will be opening a bottle or two of the wines from the Jefferson Vineyards on the 4th!  Just feels like the correct thing to do. ;)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 01, 2009, 06:23:40 AM
Below are several quotes from the 'movie thread' concerning the film Bottle Shock (2008) about the 1976 Paris tasting in which Steven Spurrier pitted California Chardonnay & Cabernet Sauvignon against their French counterparts from Burgundy & Bordeaux in a 'blind tasting' w/ French judges - the top wine in each category was from the Golden State, i.e. Ch. Montelena Chardonnay 1973 & Stag's Leap Wine Cellar Cabernet Sauvignon 1973 - a dramatic outcome that changed the way the world looked at quality wines, and continuing to this day!  Worth a viewing for those interested in this thread -  :D

Quote
Bottle Shock (2008) - movie arrived as a Netflix rental - below is a nice summary of the film from Sarge earlier in the thread; pretty much 'on spot' - but was an enjoyable watch for me despite one-sided dramatization and the distortion of facts.  The story concentrated on the Barrett family, Ch. Montelena, and a winning Chardonnay; of course, there was another MAJOR surprise winner, i.e. Stag's Leap Wine Cellars 1973 Cabernet Sauvignon in the 'red wine' category; made by Warren Winiarski.  But, Alan Rickman as Steven Spurrier is always a joy to watch for me!

If you are into wine and enjoy Rickman, definitely worth a viewing - I'm rating the movie 4/5* on Netflix, but probably not a purchase - lookin' forward to the other film mentioned by Sarge; and don't forget the excellent book on this subject that I posted right after the one quoted below-  :D

I saw Bottle Shock a few days ago too

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/ibottleshock.jpg)

I did enjoy it overall (every scene with Alan Rickman is classic) but I was bothered by the extreme Hollywoodization of the event it was based on: the 1976 Paris wine tasting. The director and writers somehow managed to include sex, violence, racism, the noble minority character, wet t-shirts and police cars in a tale about wine ::) Apparently they had an American Film Cliché Checklist on hand which they ticked off as they made the movie. Only in Hollywood  :D

Two major historical distortions bothered me too: the man who actually made the prize-winning Chardonnay, the legendary Mike Grgich, is not even mentioned. He was Chateau Montelena's winemaker. (The man Bill Pullman's character was based on was a lawyer who owned the property; he didn't make the wine.) Gustavo wasn't employed by the winery until after Steven Spurrier had returned to France. (The film shows him being fired! not hired!) Gustavo had nothing to do with the wine that won. He didn't begin producing his own wines until years later. And it's doubtful he was part of a romantic triangle with the owner's son and a blonde intern :D

Another movie based on the Paris Tasting is due out in 2010: The Judgment of Paris. It promises to stick closer to the historical facts. Whether that will produce a more entertaining movie though...well, we'll see.

Sarge

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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 01, 2009, 06:26:59 AM
P.S. if Bottle Shock as discussed in the previous post stimulates you to want more of the truth of this famous tasting - then the book below (from an older post I placed back in 2007 in this thread) may be of interest - enjoy!  :)


About completed the book below - Judgment of Paris: California vs. France and the Historic 1976 Paris Tasting That Revolutionized Wine by George M. Taber (the only 'reporter' present at the tasting, working for 'Time Magazine').  This is an excellent book of not only the important California characters (esp. Mike Grgich & Warren Winiarski), the event itself, and its aftermath, but an exciting portrait of the re-birth of Napa Vly wines, esp. in the 1960-70s.  Grgich was the wine maker at Ch. Montelena, which had a Chardonnay, while Winiarski of Stag's Leap had a '73 Cabernet - both of these wines were the WINNERS at this blind tasting in Paris w/ completely French judges - nice summary here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)); also, click on the image for reviews of the book from the Amazonians - excellent read, if interested in this subject -  :D


(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0743297326.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_SCLZZZZZZZ_AA240_SH20_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Judgment-Paris-California-Historic-Revolutionized/dp/0743297326/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-4191504-6570256?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177116915&sr=1-2)
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Post by: Mozart on July 09, 2009, 06:47:19 AM
Im sitting here eating cherries and grapes, and I have to say the cherries are much tastier. I wonder if wine can be made from them? Does such a thing exist?
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Post by: The new erato on July 09, 2009, 07:13:44 AM
(http://www.liquorama.net/productimages/kijafa.jpg)
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Post by: Mozart on July 09, 2009, 07:20:14 AM
(http://www.liquorama.net/productimages/kijafa.jpg)

And is it good? Or does it taste like cough medicine?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 09, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
Im sitting here eating cherries and grapes, and I have to say the cherries are much tastier. I wonder if wine can be made from them? Does such a thing exist?

Hello Mozart - pretty much any fruit (or other plant) w/ carbohydrate/sugar can be fermented into an alcoholic beverage, whether good or bad -  ;) :D

Personally, I don't use the term 'wine' except for the beverage fermented from grapes; one could be even more of a 'wine snob' by limiting that definition to the beverage produced from the Vitis vinifera species, i.e. grapes such as Chardonnay & Cabernet Sauvignon, but that would disqualify the American varieties (that you may enjoy from your comments) and the many French hybrids.

Now, despite the above, some wineries make superb beverages from fruits, typically as sweeter dessert wines.  My most recent experience is the Framboise made by Bonny Doon winery (Randy Graham out of California) - this is a raspberry based super sweet dessert FRUIT BOMB!  The flavors are so intense that your nose will spin - really!  So, if you can find some of these specialty products, give them a try!   ;D

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2153/2413023880_2ea77309c9.jpg?v=0)
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Post by: The new erato on July 10, 2009, 12:40:50 AM
And is it good? Or does it taste like cough medicine?
I have not tasted tis version, but they're generally sweet.

Fruit wine doen't taste like wine (ie grape wine).
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 10, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
Eos - late harvest desset wine made from Muscat grapes - went to Costco today and picked up 1 1/2 cases of wines, including two half bottles of the wine shown below (about $15 each) - this is a California product from the Paso Robles area (just north of Santa Barbara); I've been buying this wine from CA for a number of years and it is just delicious!  :P

The Muscat grape is quite ubiquitous; sweet wines are made from the grape in southern France ( Beaumes de Venise), then into Italy (known as the Moscato - grape for Asti Spumante etc.).

If you can find this wine in your area, give it a time!  ;D

(http://www.kenswineguide.com/images_wine/EOS%202006%20Tears%20of%20Dew.gif)
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Post by: The new erato on July 11, 2009, 12:28:24 AM
  but that would disqualify the American varieties (that you may enjoy from your comments) and the many French hybrids.
I wasn't aware of non-Vitis Vinifera varieties/hybrids in use in France (nor in Europe for that matter)?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 11, 2009, 05:50:43 AM
I wasn't aware of non-Vitis Vinifera varieties/hybrids in use in France (nor in Europe for that matter)?

Hi Erato - well, I would think that the European wine laws, esp. in France would likely 'forbid' their use, but in the USA & Canada, their use is quite ubiquitous & popular.

One of my favorite 'white' hybrid varietals is Seyval Blanc (below left) - I prefer the 'dry' types which remind me of Sauvignon Blanc - this is a popular grape in my 'neck of the woods', i.e. Virginia & North Carolina.

Vidal Blanc (below, middle) is another; more common in the northern climates on this continent; popular in making 'ice wine' in Ontario; the Inniskillin 'ice wines' from Ontario are just superb examples, whether from Riesling or Vidal Blanc, but SO expensive!  :-\

Of red wine hybrids, Chambourcin is the one that I've tasted the most, and again produced quite a bit in NC & Virginia - Dave  :D

(http://wine.appellationamerica.com/images/grapes/Seyval-Blanc-wine-grape.jpg)  (http://wine.appellationamerica.com/images/grapes/web_photo-Vidal.jpg)  (http://www.vintages.com/media_common/holiday-gifts-ideas_img/551085.jpg)
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Post by: The new erato on July 11, 2009, 06:28:15 AM
Hi Erato - well, I would think that the European wine laws, esp. in France would likely 'forbid' their use, but in the USA & Canada, their use is quite ubiquitous & popular.

Yes I know, and they are probably of the indigenious American Vitis Lambrusco family, but what threw me was the Europena reference. Have never had any wines from Vitis Lambrusco varietals though..
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Post by: Brünnhilde ewig on July 14, 2009, 08:53:49 AM
Dave, It was some time ago I promised you to fill the empy slots in my wine racks with Oregon wines you have tempted us with. Today's the day I gone shopping for wine in two stores and here is the list of what I found:

Pinot Noir 2007 Bridgeview   $14.95
Pinot Noir 2007 Erath            21.19
Pinot Noir 2007 Firesteed       14.79
Pinot Noir 2006 Firesteed       13.49
Pinot Noir 2006 Duck Pond     19.79
Pinot Noir 2007 Eola Hills         7.99
Pinot Gris 2006 Bridgeview     10.49
Pinot Gris 2007 King Estate    13.99
Pinot Gris 2007 Adelsheim      15.79
Pinot Gris 2007 Erath            13.49
Pinot Gris 2007 Duck Pond     10.79

None of those sound familiar from your list, maybe the King Estate, and none older than 2006. I tried, Honey, I tried! :'(

Lis
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Post by: Bogey on July 14, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
Lis,
Curious to your take on the King Estate.  Please post after you have tried.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 14, 2009, 11:32:03 AM
Dave, It was some time ago I promised you to fill the empy slots in my wine racks with Oregon wines you have tempted us with. Today's the day I gone shopping for wine in two stores and here is the list of what I found:

Pinot Noir 2007 Bridgeview   $14.95
Pinot Noir 2007 Erath            21.19
Pinot Noir 2007 Firesteed       14.79
Pinot Noir 2006 Firesteed       13.49
Pinot Noir 2006 Duck Pond     19.79
Pinot Noir 2007 Eola Hills         7.99
Pinot Gris 2006 Bridgeview     10.49
Pinot Gris 2007 King Estate    13.99
Pinot Gris 2007 Adelsheim      15.79
Pinot Gris 2007 Erath            13.49
Pinot Gris 2007 Duck Pond     10.79

None of those sound familiar from your list, maybe the King Estate, and none older than 2006. I tried, Honey, I tried! :'(

Hi Lis - I've had all of the Pinot Gris listed except for the Duck Pond - you should enjoy; of course, the King Estate is a perennial favorite of mine & a frequent 'restaurant' choice - in fact, have about 3 bottles of the '07 in the cellar @ the moment!

Concerning the Pinot Noirs, I've probably had half of those wineries in the past - not sure of the years; but not to worry, many of the Oregon Pinot Noirs drink quite well when young - in fact, I'm adding the '06 & '07 to my cellar now; I rarely spend much over $30 (and often less) for a bottle of this Oregonian wine, but there are plenty of offerings that are twice or more that price - those might require a couple of years of cellar aging.

But give them a try & let us know your thoughts -  :)  Dave
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Post by: Brünnhilde ewig on July 18, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
Lis,
Curious to your take on the King Estate.  Please post after you have tried.

I have tried it, and want to remind you all, I am not an expert on wine, that is, writing and talking about it; leave that to the expert with the fancy words. My opinion is that of a person enjoying drinking wine with meals and with friends.

The first mouth full of the 2007 King Estate Pinot Gris caused a sizzle on my tongue, feeling as if I am tasting a sparkling wine. Surprised me! Then I tried to discover definitive fruits and could only come up with apples; maybe a bit of a pear, but both of those fruits very sweet. For my taste, this wine is too sweet; it'll go good with chicken dishes, but not with anything more robust, not even fish. Could it be this 2007 wine needs a few more years of storage to loose some of it's sweetness, or is my palate so used to the very dry Lemberger I should develop a liking for anything sweeter?

Maybe any of the other Pinot Gris in my meager collection are different. I'll tell you!  :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 19, 2009, 02:43:01 PM
The first mouth full of the 2007 King Estate Pinot Gris caused a sizzle on my tongue, feeling as if I am tasting a sparkling wine. Surprised me! Then I tried to discover definitive fruits and could only come up with apples; maybe a bit of a pear, but both of those fruits very sweet. For my taste, this wine is too sweet; it'll go good with chicken dishes, but not with anything more robust, not even fish. Could it be this 2007 wine needs a few more years of storage to loose some of it's sweetness, or is my palate so used to the very dry Lemberger I should develop a liking for anything sweeter?

Hello Lis - sounds like from your description that you did not like the King Estate described above?  :-\

Sorry for the experience - this is still a favorite wine of mine and continue to buy & order it - not sure if the 'sizzle' described might have been the acidity and/or some 'fizz' in the wine (I've not experienced the latter over the years, so assume that the acidity was the issue).

'Sweetness' - is always a varied experience for different tasters, i.e. some sense sweetness at lower levels more that others; I've never found that much extra-sugar in this wine - my test is to let a small volume accumulate in the lower front of my mouth and then stick the tip on my tongue into the 'pool' (your tongue 'sweet buds' are located @ the tip and if there is no 'sweet' taste then the flavor is coming from fruit).  Of course, people experience 'sweetness' differently which will impact on their perception of a wine; many wine makers actually add a 'little' sugar to their wines (a good example is the Kendall-Jackson Chardonnay, Vintner's Reserve) to mellow the acidity & the oak; many love this combination - however, if you like 'bone dry' wines (red or white), then this will not be an enjoyable drink.

Now, I still must say that this wine from this vintage is an excellent bargain, and for those who like 'white' wines and are just getting into this experience, the King Estate Pinot Gris is worth a bottle (or restaurant glass) purchase - take a look at their Website HERE (http://www.kingestate.com/wines/wine_portfolio/signature/pinotgris/reviews-07.php) - click on the reviews etc. - this is an acidic wine (thus the 'sizzle') which will match many foods, in my opinion - Dave  :)
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Post by: Brünnhilde ewig on July 19, 2009, 03:27:36 PM
Dave, your excellent reply made me happy because you are deeper into the mysteries of this heavenly liquid than I am. I read the articles you attached and had to smile at the glowing and blowing attributes found in this wine. Taste of stones? Come on now, isn't this a bit too much?

I am aware of the increase of interest in this country on the subject of wine and the class of people setting themselves up as the ultimate connoisseurs of wines, and don't misunderstand me, dear Dave, I admire them for their enthusiasm, but to Europeans wine is as normal a beverage as beer is for Americans. Wine has been served with meals and without them for a long, long time, and has been, and still is being served to minors without creating nations of alcoholics. I had my first sip of wine from my mother's glass when I was maybe 6 or 7!

What I am trying to say, is, that in my opinion all that talk and writing about flowers, fruit, herbs and stones borders on being a wine snob. I never had any problems enjoying a glass of vine ordinarier in a French Bistro, an Italian Trattoria and Austrian Gasthaus!  ;D
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Post by: MishaK on July 19, 2009, 03:35:56 PM
Below are several quotes from the 'movie thread' concerning the film Bottle Shock (2008) about the 1976 Paris tasting in which Steven Spurrier pitted California Chardonnay & Cabernet Sauvignon against their French counterparts from Burgundy & Bordeaux in a 'blind tasting' w/ French judges - the top wine in each category was from the Golden State, i.e. Ch. Montelena Chardonnay 1973 & Stag's Leap Wine Cellar Cabernet Sauvignon 1973 - a dramatic outcome that changed the way the world looked at quality wines, and continuing to this day!  Worth a viewing for those interested in this thread -  :D

I think based on Sarge's review I will skip the movie. But I do have several of Mike Grgich's stellar Chardonnays in the cellar from his current operation Grgich Hills Estate. That winery, part from being absolutely superb, has been biodynamic for a while already and they are aiming for organic certification in the near future.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 19, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Dave, your excellent reply made me happy because you are deeper into the mysteries of this heavenly liquid than I am. I read the articles you attached and had to smile at the glowing and blowing attributes found in this wine. Taste of stones? Come on now, isn't this a bit too much?..........

What I am trying to say, is, that in my opinion all that talk and writing about flowers, fruit, herbs and stones borders on being a wine snob. I never had any problems enjoying a glass of vine ordinarier.......

Lis - LOL about the 'stones'!  ;D  But 'stones', 'steely', 'flinty' etc. are terms that have been applied to some of these white wines, even glorified in the so-called Aroma Wheel (http://www.winearomawheel.com/#whatIs) developed by Ann Noble from the U of CA (Davis) ; many of the white grapes (such as Riesling & Pinot Gris) from Germany & Alsace often have a 'stony' or 'flinty' taste (like smelling 'gun steel' - I know does not make much sense); some of the Sauvignon Blancs from the upper Loire Vly (Sancerre & Pouilly Fume) are other examples.  So, just descriptions that don't often register w/ me when drinking many of these wines.

Now, your other point about drinking wines @ a young age; I really applaud those European cultures that introduce wine to their youngsters as a part of dining - I wish that my growing up was similar (but was not!); wine is a natural beverage of nature and most is meant to be drunk young & w/ food - nothing special or deep, so the comments of Lis are quite applicable - i.e. much wine can be enjoyed as a beverage to go w/ food and even the simplest product is enjoyable!   ;D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 20, 2009, 03:48:07 PM
Montes (2008) Sauvignon Blanc from the Leyda Vyd in San Antonio near the Pacific coast of Chile - this is a 'new' wine for me from this South American country; a number of regions near the ocean have evolved in recent years, probably the most famous is the Casablanca Vly - these white wines are being made from 'cooler' regions close to the water and w/ more modern techniques, i.e. preservation of the fruit, good acidity, etc.

I purchased this wine recently from Costco - CASES were available at about $9 a bottle - this is a delicious wine - no great complexity and no aging potential, but if available in your area, then a recommendation.  These Chilean areas being developed nearer the Pacific Ocean offer great potential (and value!) - below is a map added (right) showing how close the San Antonio area is to the sea - hey, if you see this bottle on the shelf, take a chance!  :D


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2178/2088816501_77032624b0.jpg)  (http://www.thegrapevineblog.com/grapevineblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/chile_color_overview.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on August 05, 2009, 03:59:07 AM
(http://store.hahnfamilywines.com/assets/images/wines//pictures/CYC%5FCLE%5Fpinot%5F07%5Fstore%2Ejpg)

Not bad.
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Post by: Tapkaara on August 05, 2009, 07:40:17 AM
Red, red, red!!! I love red wine (chianti and bordeaux in particular), but I cannot stand white. I never drink it.
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Post by: The new erato on August 05, 2009, 08:01:30 AM
Red, red, red!!! I love red wine (chianti and bordeaux in particular), but I cannot stand white. I never drink it.
Like saying you only listen to even numbered symphonies. Perfectly legitimate, but you'll miss Beethovens 5th and 9th, etc, etc. I'm part of a reasonably hardcore wine "clique" and I guess we consume about 60% white among us....
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Post by: SonicMan46 on August 05, 2009, 08:03:25 AM
Red, red, red!!! I love red wine (chianti and bordeaux in particular), but I cannot stand white. I never drink it.

Well, since you never drink white wine, have you ever had a good one?  ;) :D

I use to drink mainly red wine, but am now probably 60%-40% range w/ the 'white wines' dominating - more likely a reflection of our dietary changes over the years, i.e. fewer dishes in which I would favor a red wine, and more seafood options (although I always pick a Pinot Noir when having tuna or salmon - just a fabulous combination).

Actually, there have been some 'blind tastings' in which the 'color' of the wines were unknown (e.g. blindfold the tasters or use 'black' glasses), and many times the tasters could not tell the difference between a red vs. a white wine - obviously a young tannic red might not present a problem, but seems not to always be the case.  Although I've participated in a number of 'blind' tastings w/ the bottles bagged, I could always seen the color - so, no personal experience, but would be interesting -  :)
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Post by: Tapkaara on August 05, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Like saying you only listen to even numbered symphonies. Perfectly legitimate, but you'll miss Beethovens 5th and 9th, etc, etc. I'm part of a reasonably hardcore wine "clique" and I guess we consume about 60% white among us....

What's wrong with not liking white wine? It's as simple as that...I don't like it. I don't feel I am missing too much, honestly. I'll take an even numbered symphony over a glass of white any day!
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Post by: Tapkaara on August 05, 2009, 08:28:19 AM
Well, since you never drink white wine, have you ever had a good one?  ;) :D

I use to drink mainly red wine, but am now probably 60%-40% range w/ the 'white wines' dominating - more likely a reflection of our dietary changes over the years, i.e. fewer dishes in which I would favor a red wine, and more seafood options (although I always pick a Pinot Noir when having tuna or salmon - just a fabulous combination).

Actually, there have been some 'blind tastings' in which the 'color' of the wines were unknown (e.g. blindfold the tasters or use 'black' glasses), and many times the tasters could not tell the difference between a red vs. a white wine - obviously a young tannic red might not present a problem, but seems not to always be the case.  Although I've participated in a number of 'blind' tastings w/ the bottles bagged, I could always seen the color - so, no personal experience, but would be interesting -  :)

I don't know if I've had a good one. I assume I have. I had a friend who was quite a connoisseur and she drank almost exclusively white. I tried several from her collection and never really liked any of them.
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Post by: Dr. Dread on August 05, 2009, 08:29:24 AM
I only drink wine if it's in my glass.
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Post by: ChamberNut on August 05, 2009, 08:30:52 AM
I'll take an even numbered symphony over a glass of white any day!

 :D That was funny!  ;D
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Post by: ChamberNut on August 05, 2009, 08:33:14 AM
I don't drink anymore, but I did enjoy red wine very much.  Didn't really enjoy white wine though.  :-\
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Post by: Tapkaara on August 05, 2009, 08:36:51 AM
I don't drink anymore, but I did enjoy red wine very much.  Didn't really enjoy white wine though.  :-\

Really ChamberNut, how could you? You are missing out, you fool!
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 02, 2009, 06:58:35 AM
Well, no activity here for a month and not much in the way of recent recommendations -   :)

Washington State Merlot - I've been recommending these wines from the Pacific Northwest for a while; unfortunately, the 'better' ones w/ some of the best ratings just don't leave that state or just don't leave the region.  Ch. Ste. Michelle & Columbia Crest are the largest producers in the state and their wines are quite ubiquitous in my area on the east coast USA.

Last night, I enjoyed a Gordon Brothers Merlot, 2005 vintage - had been in my basement cellar nearly 2 yrs, did not throw a sediment, and was still somewhat tannic but mellowed after a few hours.  Quite tasty - I have their Cabernet Sauvignon from the same year, but will give that one a try in 6 months or so.

For those liking 'red' wines, Washington State offers some excellent values, esp. by the larger producers, e.g. the Columbia Crest 'Grand Estates' bottling usually will receive ratings in the mid-80s up to even 90, and sells for just $10 in the local stores here.  Enjoy -  :D


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NlDpshC5GUg/RyetzzrBCoI/AAAAAAAAAR4/aI98Qh5RYOQ/s400/gordon.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on October 17, 2009, 05:54:45 PM
A glass of this with a prime rib dinner:

(http://vincellar.vinfolio.com/image/label/135770/2005-front-replace.jpg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on October 17, 2009, 07:06:41 PM
Hello Bill - great 'valued' selection, but can't imagine that a single glass was enough to get through a prime rib dinner - how big was the glass?  ;) ;D

Cheers - Dave

(http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/full-bottle-wine-glass-1.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on November 14, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Picked up two bottles, the first for the rack, the second for an Italian dinner at friends' house tonight:

(http://www.winestar.com.au/images/coldhillpin.jpg)

and

(http://edge-images.snooth.com/wine/e/7/c/wine_2089861_full.jpeg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 15, 2009, 07:26:50 AM
Picked up two bottles, the first for the rack, the second for an Italian dinner at friends' house tonight:


Bill - enjoy!  :D

Yesterday, Susan brought home some ostrich fillets from the Hilltop Ostrich Farm in our home county!  Must grill or pan fry quickly, i.e. medium rare @ the most (these have less fat & cholesterol than a chicken breast, but the meat is red & bloody!) - just begging for a light and not tannic Pinot Noir - an inexpensive cellar selection below was just right -  :)

(http://www.kenswineguide.com/images_wine/White%20Horse%202006%20Pinot%20Noir.gif)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 15, 2009, 08:08:30 AM
Well, this thread has been moribund the last few months - some of our usual 'wine enthusiasts' seem to have stop posting -  :-\

Well, maybe a 'new' topic discussion might peak some interest and replies? 

Yesterday (i.e. Saturday) in the New York Times, there was an article on the decline in sales of Champagne (meaning specifically the French made version of the bubbly) - sales down about 33% in Britain & 43% in the USA!

Now, I love 'sparkling wine' made in the French tradition (i.e. 'in the bottle'), but must admit that I rarely buy a French one, largely because of the price difference vs. domestic sparklers or those from non-French sources (e.g. Spain, South America, Australia, etc.) - the domestic sparklers do not receive the ratings of many French Champagnes, but when faced w/ an $18 vs. $60 (typical average in my experience) difference between a California vs. a French bubbly, I'd much rather buy 3-4 bottles of the former!  :D

Obviously, in today's economy and the escalating prices of many wines (whether French or some of the better known California cabernets, which I've pretty much stopped buying), how has your wine habits changed over the last 5-10 yrs?

For me, I'm not drinking any less wine, but I've tried to stick w/i a price range, usually $10-$20 a bottle; this choice has eliminated buying many of the French reds (Bordeaux & Burgundy) & Italian reds that use to 'populate' my wine cellar; in addition, I've stopped purchasing many of the California cabernets that were common in my basement - many of these vainglorious wineries have increased their bottle pricing beyond reason!

My main decisions these days are to look for VALUE w/i the price range mentioned above; yes, I will splurge up to $30+ a bottle for a well recommended Pinot Noir, my favorite red, but I just don't believe that a beverage to go w/ your food should be outrageously priced!

So, how has my cellar changed over the last several decades:  1) Classified Bordeaux about gone; 2) No red or white Burgundies; 3) No Italian reds (i.e. Piedmonte & Chianti); 4) Vintage Ports (about gone) and 5) California Cabernets dwindling. 

My cellar is now well under 200 bottles (maximum was probably 700+ bottles 15 or so years ago); current 'main' contents: 1) California Zinfandels; 2) Oregon (some CA) Pinot Noirs; 3) Australian Shiraz (and a few Cabernets); 4) Chilean & Argentinian reds (Malbec, Cabernet, Carmenere, etc.; the last category has increased most dramatically in the last 5 years.

Now, I do drink much white wine, but just don't keep a lot in the basement - current favorites are mostly non-Chardonnay types, such as Sauvignon Blanc (New Zealand & West coast USA), Pinot Gris/Grigio (many varied places), and Viognier; tasting more of the South American whites, e.g. the Torrontes grape has been a new discovery and liking the Chardonnays, esp. from Chile (Casablanca Vly).

So, how have your wine tastes changed and what prices are you currently willing to invest?  I know that this will generate different responses from those 'across the pond' in Europe, and if I lived there, then my choices and value searches would be quite different; unfortunately, these well priced European wines that I read about in every issue of the Wine Spectator just do not ship to my neck of the woods.  Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on November 15, 2009, 09:12:14 AM
(http://edge-images.snooth.com/wine/e/7/c/wine_2089861_full.jpeg)

Try to snag a bottle of this Washington "red", Dave.  It was excellent (I need to grab another for the rack) and I believe ran me about $22.  In fact, everyone enjoyed it, even the Mrs.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 15, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
(http://edge-images.snooth.com/wine/e/7/c/wine_2089861_full.jpeg)

Try to snag a bottle of this Washington "red", Dave.  It was excellent (I need to grab another for the rack) and I believe ran me about $22.  In fact, everyone enjoyed it, even the Mrs.

Bill - I was curious about the wine above since the name gives little information; however, checking their website HERE (http://www.synclinewine.com/wines/subduction.html), the grapes (and percentages) used are listed as 35%Syrah 21%Mourvedre 16%Grenache 15%Cinsault 13%Counoise - basically, a blended wine similiar to those of the Southern Rhone - I use to have a nice Rhone Vly collection, most from the Southern region, esp. Chateauneuf-du-Pape & Gigondas, but no longer sadly!

Bottom line - I would likely really enjoy this wine, but just 1750 cases were made and may not be shipped to the other side of the continent; the largest 'wine store' in my area did not have the winery listed on their website offerings, so I doubt that the lesser stores that I use will not have the wine - this has been a MAJOR problem for me regarding wines from Oregon & Washington State - now, I belong to an Oregon Wine Club - maybe I should start looking for a 'similar one' for that northern state which makes far more wine, and much of good quality & value.

Thanks for the recommendation - I'd suggest picking up a few bottles if you really enjoyed the wine, and let it sit in your house for a year or more - most wines made w/ these grapes will improve w/ a couple or more years in the bottle (if just Syrah from Northern Rhone, then 5-10 yrs for the better offerings would be a suggestion).  Dave  :D
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Post by: Bogey on November 15, 2009, 03:15:10 PM
Bill - I was curious about the wine above since the name gives little information; however, checking their website HERE (http://www.synclinewine.com/wines/subduction.html), the grapes (and percentages) used are listed as 35%Syrah 21%Mourvedre 16%Grenache 15%Cinsault 13%Counoise - basically, a blended wine similiar to those of the Southern Rhone - I use to have a nice Rhone Vly collection, most from the Southern region, esp. Chateauneuf-du-Pape & Gigondas, but no longer sadly!

Bottom line - I would likely really enjoy this wine, but just 1750 cases were made and may not be shipped to the other side of the continent; the largest 'wine store' in my area did not have the winery listed on their website offerings, so I doubt that the lesser stores that I use will not have the wine - this has been a MAJOR problem for me regarding wines from Oregon & Washington State - now, I belong to an Oregon Wine Club - maybe I should start looking for a 'similar one' for that northern state which makes far more wine, and much of good quality & value.

Thanks for the recommendation - I'd suggest picking up a few bottles if you really enjoyed the wine, and let it sit in your house for a year or more - most wines made w/ these grapes will improve w/ a couple or more years in the bottle (if just Syrah from Northern Rhone, then 5-10 yrs for the better offerings would be a suggestion).  Dave  :D

Dave,
Here is the shop I got it from.  Just email them and I bet they can help you.  Nice little family owned wine shop.

http://www.primovino.net/
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 04:39:52 AM
(http://edge-images.snooth.com/wine/e/7/c/wine_2089861_full.jpeg)

Took your advice and dropped by the little shop in Arvada and grabbed two more bottles of this, Dave.  They have probably 7 or 8 left (?). 

Any other combo reds that you would rec. at this time?

PS Watched the Jefferson wine video again last night.  He only had 300 bottles left when he died. :D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 21, 2009, 05:50:39 AM
Well, this thread has been moribund the last few months - some of our usual 'wine enthusiasts' seem to have stop posting -  :-\

Guilty. I stopped posting for a couple of reasons. The wines I've purchased recently, or drank at home or restaurants, are only available in Germany and France, and many of the purchases only available direct from the vintners. That means I'd be talking to myself, basically, about wine no one else is ever going to sample. The other problem is that my card reader is broken so I can't upload pictures easily. A wine post without showing the bottle and label is a boring post  ;D

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 06:00:37 AM
Guilty. I stopped posting for a couple of reasons. The wines I've purchased recently, or drank at home or restaurants, are only available in Germany and France, and many of the purchases only available direct from the vintners. That means I'd be talking to myself, basically, about wine no one else is ever going to sample. The other problem is that my card reader is broken so I can't upload pictures easily. A wine post without showing the bottle and label is a boring post  ;D

Sarge

Not true about the inability to get the wines you are getting....it is always fun for us to dream on this side of the Atlantic. :D  True about the photos....gotta have pics! :D :D
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 06:02:11 AM
The $20 bottles of Syncline that I am posting come with a screw on cap.  Is this becoming more common?  How about in your parts, Sarge?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 21, 2009, 07:11:36 AM
Took your advice and dropped by the little shop in Arvada and grabbed two more bottles of this, Dave.  They have probably 7 or 8 left (?). 

Bill - glad that you found some more of the wine mentioned!  I'm sure that it is just delicious; again, I love those 'Southern Rhone' style wines using a variety of grapes.  The shipping across the continent to me is a 'killer', esp. if air-mail is used (a necessity this time of the year w/ cold weather), so I've basically just been ordering from my Oregon Wine Club - not sure if you've taken a look at that place, but I've mentioned it before.

Any other combo reds that you would rec. at this time?

Well, more wineries are starting to blend these various grapes - but hard for me to make specific recommendations from this side of the continent, just not sure 'what' might be available to you?  I would just check w/ a bunch of local wine shops and tell them that you like blended 'southern Rhone' style wines; these are being made in many places, including CA, Washington State, South America, etc.  Of course, you can always go to the original source, i.e. Southern Rhone (Chateuneuf-du-Pape, Gigondas, Rhone River Villages, etc.), but the pricing is an issue w/ the strength of the Euro, but plenty of bargains exist - don't know if you receive the Wine Spectator, but there was a large tasting of these southern French wines recently!

PS Watched the Jefferson wine video again last night.  He only had 300 bottles left when he died. :D

I think that is the 'rub' - i.e. pass away after you've taken the last sip from your last bottle of wine - why leave any to others!   ;D 8)   Dave
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 07:20:08 AM
Thanks, Dave.  What is your take on the screw on tops?
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 07:24:42 AM
Well, talk about crossovers.  Check out what this guy's master degree is in! :D


http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/get_know_northwest_wines/66738
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 07:35:19 AM
Maybe I answered my own question. :)

http://www.hoguecellars.com/feature/homework.html
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 21, 2009, 07:42:44 AM
Guilty. I stopped posting for a couple of reasons. The wines I've purchased recently, or drank at home or restaurants, are only available in Germany and France, and many of the purchases only available direct from the vintners. That means I'd be talking to myself, basically, about wine no one else is ever going to sample. The other problem is that my card reader is broken so I can't upload pictures easily. A wine post without showing the bottle and label is a boring post  ;D

Sarge - well, I think it is always interesting to know what others may be drinking, even though specific wines may not be available in other parts of the planet; e.g. the 2007/8 Ch. Ste. Michelle Rieslings from Washington State received some excellent recommendations recently - just picked up a few at my local super market; also love Pinot Gris, esp. from Oregon; so if I lucked out and found one you might have recommended, like a Trimbach from Alsace, then I'd certainly give the wine a try.

Also, still quite interested in changing wine purchasing practices regardless of location - if I lived in Europe, I could see myself looking for a lot more bargains, esp. from Southern France, Italy, and the Iberian Peninsula.

The $20 bottles of Syncline that I am posting come with a screw on cap.  Is this becoming more common?  How about in your parts, Sarge?

Bill - I love screw caps!  New Zealand will (or has maybe by now) gone completely to screw caps; Australia may follow?  And the closure is appearing on many wines from other countries, esp. the less expensive products.  There are plenty of even more costly bottles meant for aging seeing a screw cap closure, and studies are being done in which some reds that will acquire 5+ yrs of aging are being 'closed' w/ several options and will be compared.  I've pulled thousands of corks over the years, but will not miss the experience - others may want to comment, though?  Dave  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 21, 2009, 08:32:52 AM
The $20 bottles of Syncline that I am posting come with a screw on cap.  Is this becoming more common?  How about in your parts, Sarge?

Yes, cork is losing ground in Germany too. Even some of the best wine estates are changing to screw caps or the vino lok, an enclosure made primarily of thick, heavy glass. The firm Mrs. Rock works for manufactures and sells them.

(http://www.bkwine.com/wine_pictures/sweden/helsingborg/images/ah11-224-2439.jpg)

(http://www.ai-amon.at/images/vino-lok.jpg)

Like the screw cap, a bottle with the vino lok can be resealed.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2009, 08:34:14 AM
Great info for a newbie like myself, gents.  Thanks much!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 21, 2009, 09:07:09 AM
Also, still quite interested in changing wine purchasing practices regardless of location - if I lived in Europe, I could see myself looking for a lot more bargains, esp. from Southern France, Italy, and the Iberian Peninsula.

That's where the majority of our red wne purchases are from these days. We have amazing bargains here, with many tasty offereings from the areas you mention, most costing five euro or less. Not necessarily great wines but great for daily drinking. Our current fave is a Côtes du Rhône that's stocked by one of our local supermarkets (a Wasgau for any Germans who may be reading this). It only costs €2.50 but has all the characteristics of a good Rhône wine. I've been grabbing every bottle I see, going back every other day, after they've restocked the shelf, and wiping them out again  ;D  Aldi Sud currently offers a decent 2004 Brunello di Montalcino for €13. Of course it doesn't match the great Brunellos but then it doesn't cost a hundred euros either.

We've bought lots of Spätburgunder (pinot noir) recently. A favorite winery in the Pfalz (Weingut Pfeffigen (http://www.pfeffingen.de/weingut-pfeffingen.html?&L=1) offers pinot in several variations: as a red wine, of course, but also a blanc de noir and a cuvée called Auriga which is pinot blended with cabernet and aged in barriques:

(http://www.pfeffingen.de/fileadmin/bilder/Weine/Auriga.jpg)

All three are delicious. Last Sunday a winery in the village next to ours had their annual tasting. We bought several cases of their Pinot Sekt (German champagne).

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 21, 2009, 12:32:31 PM
Yes, cork is losing ground in Germany too. Even some of the best wine estates are changing to screw caps or the vino lok, an enclosure made primarily of thick, heavy glass. The firm Mrs. Rock works for manufactures and sells them.

(http://www.ai-amon.at/images/vino-lok.jpg)  (http://www.nexternal.com/winesense/images/3155%20sineann%20pinot%20noir.jpg)

Like the screw cap, a bottle with the vino lok can be resealed.

Like the glass stopper also - not only useful to reseal an unfinished bottle, but I use them in my empty 'half bottles' if I have 'leftovers' (a rarity!) - they seem to fit nicely; I've already collected a handful adding one the other day drinking my final bottle of Sineann Pinot Noir - 2006 vintage - which used the vino lok; also, I like the low profile for storing in the frig, as needed.

I used to be a southern Rhone collector, mainly the Ch-du-Papes & Gigondas, but the better ones just became outrageously priced - at one point, I had a 6 year or so vertical collection of Château de Beaucastel, so could let them age up to 10 yrs or so - no more; probably should start searching out some bargains from the area, esp. the Cotes du Rhone, but most just do not ship here, unfortunately!  :-\  Dave
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Post by: Bogey on November 26, 2009, 08:15:02 AM
For today's dinner we are going with a red that Jefferson supposedly had (or a form of):

(http://www.incrediblewinestore.com/images/bn/160/121113.jpg)
Fattoria Buccicatino Montepulciano d'Abruzzo 2006
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 26, 2009, 12:28:32 PM
For today's dinner we are going with a red that Jefferson supposedly had (or a form of):

(http://www.incrediblewinestore.com/images/bn/160/121113.jpg)
Fattoria Buccicatino Montepulciano d'Abruzzo 2006

We drank Italian too with a very non-traditional Thanksgiving dinner of salmon carpaccio and mussels in a tomato/garlic sauce: a Nero d'Avalo from Sicily. I thought it was overripe, too syrupy, but Mrs. Rock loved it.

Sarge
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on December 07, 2009, 02:53:39 PM
These days I find portuguese wines to be what I like most - both for the immediate taste (fruity like few other wines) and for the solid yet refined qualities I look for past the first glass :). For the price they're hard to beat.

When I want a deep colour, mouthfilling taste and strong tannins, my preference goes for the big, elegant reds  of the Bekaa Valley (Lebanon). Half as expensive as californian and australian offerings, and twice as good.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 10, 2009, 02:12:12 PM
FYI - just a repeat below from the reading thread - thought a duplication here appropriate -  :)

From Demon to Darling: A Legal History of Wine in America (2009) by Richard Mendelson, who is a lawyer, has worked in the wine trade for years (on different continents), and is also a winemaker.  This book was well recommended in one of my wine newsletters - really a history of 'alcohol' in the USA -  about half way through and Prohibition has just been repealed; now becoming more interesting regarding the legalities of interstate shipment of wine!  Book is listed at over 300 pgs, but really about 190 of text (plenty of notes & references).  Recommended for 'wine lovers' who can't find what they may want in wine locally and wonder why the 'hell' it can't be shipped!  ;D

(http://www.appellationamerica.com/images/appellations/features/book%20cover.jpg)
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Post by: PerfectWagnerite on December 10, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
These days I find portuguese wines to be what I like most - both for the immediate taste (fruity like few other wines) and for the solid yet refined qualities I look for past the first glass :). For the price they're hard to beat.

When I want a deep colour, mouthfilling taste and strong tannins, my preference goes for the big, elegant reds  of the Bekaa Valley (Lebanon). Half as expensive as californian and australian offerings, and twice as good.
When I went to Portugal about 6 years ago I love Portuguese green wine (the generic kind they serve at restaurants where you get a whole jug for a couple of Euro). I can't seem to find something similar here in NY and NJ. Do you have any recommendations as to what a good Portuguese green wine would be?
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Post by: Lilas Pastia on December 19, 2009, 08:21:59 PM
Definitely. Portuguese vinho verde is easily found here. Typically, it it rather low on alcohol content (9-11 degrees), and has a slightly frizzante (bubbly) quality to it. Vinho verde is easily available and quite cheap to boot. Compared to similarly 'light' french white wines, they have more taste (acidity and fruit)., as well as character - and they're quite affordable. Check various sites http://chicagoist.com/attachments/chicagoist_chuck/2008_04_vinho_verde.jpg]like this one (http://) ot tjhis one - scroll way down for the vinho verdes  (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wine-flair.com/grapes_and_wines/uploaded_images/Vinho-Verde-792754.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wine-flair.com/grapes_and_wines/index.html&h=450&w=350&sz=35&tbnid=Ie8WSQ-c3_vmwM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvinho%2Bverde&usg=__9I-eYTaFl_IoY2UwzcWEnz8kZYs=&ei=HqMtS8nkOtHulAfbuIGcBw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=14&ct=image&ved=0CDwQ9QEwDQ)

(http://chicagoist.com/attachments/chicagoist_chuck/2008_04_vinho_verde.jpg) (http://www.wine-flair.com/grapes_and_wines/uploaded_images/Vinho-Verde-792749.jpg)

Warning to others: these are summer wines, best enjoyed when all you can think of is a tart/fruity ice-cold beer. They are inexpensive, immensely refreshing and therefore potentially deceptive!
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Post by: Bogey on December 24, 2009, 06:46:50 AM
Need your advice, folks.  This bottle was given to me as a gift last night from a close friend.  Way out of my league, but very pleased to own it.  How long can I let this "puppy" set?

(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.vinfolio.com/image/label/45752/2007-front.jpg&usg=AFQjCNG-ZytIxFuzps2a5ITHx7QVx2m6fQ)

http://www.jjbuckley.com/p~2007~358~750

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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 24, 2009, 07:23:31 AM
Need your advice, folks.  This bottle was given to me as a gift last night from a close friend.  Way out of my league, but very pleased to own it.  How long can I let this "puppy" set?

(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.vinfolio.com/image/label/45752/2007-front.jpg&usg=AFQjCNG-ZytIxFuzps2a5ITHx7QVx2m6fQ)

Hello Bill - that's an excellent cabernet - check some tasting notes HERE (http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=678191) - I've visited Caymus several times and use to buy their standard cabernet sauvignon often when the prices were reasonable, but that was yesteryear when I was willing to purchase the better Napa producers - the prices have just escalated too much for me.

Now, when I did have a lot of California cab in my basement cellar (and keep in mind that these were typically well recommended wines meant for some aging), 5-10 yrs of age was my 'general' standard; however, I usually tasted a bottle (bought 4-6 bottles per wine back in those days) at about 4-5 yrs of age just to determine if I wanted to drink the wine(s) earlier (you just never know & depends on 'where & how' the wine is stored?).

These days wineries are making their reds w/ softer tannins that might not warrant prolonged cellar aging and that may taste fine when young, esp. if decanted and allowed to sit for an hour or so; in reviewing those tasting notes, several suggest early drinking but others recommended waiting; thus, not an easy decision particularly w/ just one bottle.

If I had a number of bottles of this wine in my cellar, I'd probably wait at least 2-3 yrs, and then give one a try - but you'll have to decide since this is a one-time choice in your situation.  Also, keep in mind that this is a ripe & rich wine suggested by its alcohol content of 15% (more like a Zinfandel!).  Bottom line - great gift!   :D  Dave
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Post by: Bogey on December 24, 2009, 07:38:00 AM
Thanks much!  Waiting two or three years from this date, Dave, or from when it was bottled?
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 24, 2009, 08:02:18 AM
Thanks much!  Waiting two or three years from this date, Dave, or from when it was bottled?

Yep!  If I had a handful of bottles of that wine, I'd likely put away and try the first one in 2011-12 when the wine would then be 4-5 yrs of age; of course, completely up to you - but if you decide on 'longer term' storage, keep the bottle on its side and in a quiet light subdued area and at a fairly constant temperature (of course ideal temp recommended is 55 F; my basement corner is in the mid-60s F throughout the year - i.e. the wine will age somewhat faster; try not to let the temp get above 70 degrees F - constant & lower is best).  Dave  :D
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Post by: Bogey on December 24, 2009, 08:20:04 AM
Thanks again! ;D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 24, 2009, 08:24:55 AM
Couple of red wine additions to the cellar yesterday - found at Harris-Teeter (decent offerings here):

Louis Martini - Cabernet Sauvignon (Napa) - 2006; picked up 3 bottles @ $18.50 each - wine received an 88 rating in the California Grapevine - I'd go a little higher, thus good value in today's Napa Vly market for cabs!  Tasted last night - excellent fruit, mildly oaky, and light tannins - will drink the remaining 2 bottles in 2010.

Acacia - Pinot Noir (Napa-Carneros blend) - 2007 (not year on pic!); picked up 3 bottles at $21 - will try one soon - I usually drink Pinot Noir when young (at least the ones that I buy) so likely will be consumed over the next year; rated */87 in Connoisseur's Guide to California Wine - suspect my tasting will put the wine in the high 80s (I've just had this so often from various years - consistent).  :D

(http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/the941/files/2009/04/27fooddrink_winereviews1-2.jpg)  (http://prime.premiergroup.net/store/images_products/acacia_pinot_06.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on December 29, 2009, 12:51:04 PM
Fun stuff, especially the second half:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6027178n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 29, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
Fun stuff, especially the second half:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6027178n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0

Bill - LOL on the last half of that video!  ;D  That's what I sound like when people ask me about wines at parties - some good advice there - Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on December 29, 2009, 05:55:18 PM
Bill - LOL on the last half of that video!  ;D  That's what I sound like when people ask me about wines at parties - some good advice there - Dave  :)

You should watch his latest Christmas show, Dave.  Just Google Wine TV.

Tomorrow, we will be serving this to our guests witha honey glazed ham:

(http://www.garyswine.com/media/fine_wine/italy/08370b.jpg)
(http://www.garyswine.com/media/fine_wine/italy/08370.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on February 20, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
Had this Pinot a week or so back.  Wonderful:

(http://www.winelog.net/images/wines/L3RtcC9waHBpMlQ3d2gxMTk3NDMzNzcw.jpg)

Tonight, toting these to an Italian dinner at a friend's house.  It will be interesting to see if they can tell the difference, or for that matter, myself:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2190/2463718838_731173d86b.jpg)

vs.

some Sangiovese Il Calcinaio LA CALONICA, Toscana 2007
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Post by: SonicMan46 on February 21, 2010, 03:52:52 PM
Bill - please let us know how you enjoyed those wines - I don't buy much Italian wine anymore (use to have a great collection of Piedmonte & Chianti Classicos wines, but my cellar has just shrunk!).

But for those who may be able to purchase California wines, the Seghesio Zinfandel has been almost a yearly purchase for me - just picked up the '08 bottling from Costco for about $18 (YES, the price has gone UP w/ their fame!) - tasting this wine over the last few nights - just excellent w/ plenty of fruit and some oak - tastes great at the moment - a year might improve the wine, but not much more - believe that I've gone into the history of Zinfandel in previous posts (can't remember) - but this is a great red for Italian replacements -  :D


(http://www.klwines.com/images/skus/1050321x.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on February 21, 2010, 04:31:48 PM
The Sangiovese Il Calcinaio LA CALONICA, Toscana 2007 at about $12 was a hit for a few last night.  The Casa Sola at $33 was pleasing to about as many.  My wife preferred the less expensive wine because she thought the other too strong.  I enjoyed the Casa.  The other wine, as pointed out by one of our friends was a bit dry.  All first tastes were done in a blind manner.  I have a Pinot on tap for this weekend.  Should be a beauty, but then one never knows until it hits the mouth.  Making a Thanksgiving dinner for Oscar night. 

I may have to track down a bottle of the Seghesio Zinfandel, Dave.  Should be one out here somewhere. :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 03, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
Well, looks like Bill and I are the only ones drinking wine lately!  ;) ;D

The Chilean wine industry, esp. the coastal areas near the epicenter of the recent earthquake, suffered substantial damage which will be difficult to estimate presently, i.e. not only damage to current tanks/casks/bottles but potential damage to future production - sad note for those wanting fair wine prices - see NYTimes HERE (http://thepour.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/chilean-wine-industry-damaged-by-quake/).

So, I've been sipping on a Novas 2005 Carmenere-Cabernet Sauvignon blend (80-20%) the last few nights - has been in my cellar about a year or more - mellower now but could use even another year or so!

For those liking red Bordeaux & California Cabernet, both wines now so overpriced (for the excellent ones) that I'm no longer buying any, finding similar but good reds has become a challenge; however, the South American wines (from Chile & Argentina) - two 'minor' Bordeaux red grapes seemed to have found a new life in these countries; Malbec in the Mendoza Vly of Argentina & Carmenere in Chile - both grapes used in Bordeaux reds as minor percentage blends (if at all!) - but in the 'new world' each has flourished!

So, first let's hope that the Chilean wine industry has not been too severely damaged?  Second, if you like red wines made from Bordeaux varietals, give the ones from Chile a try - might help to support the recovery of this country - drink up!  Dave  :D

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Post by: Bogey on March 08, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
We served a "Thanksgiving" dinner last night at our Oscar party.  (See Blind Side reference).  Two bottles were open:

(http://www.cellartracker.com/labels/72924.jpg)  (http://www.gottwines.com/wines/GOTT/2005/05GOTT_label_web.jpg)

Though two different wines, I predicted that the Pinot would be superior with the meal.  I was wrong.  The Gott was lush, and smooth from start to finish and complimented the meal wonderfully.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 09, 2010, 06:47:49 AM
Well, looks like Bill and I are the only ones drinking wine lately!  ;) ;D

In fact I've had very little wine since Christmas. I didn't even drink on New Year's Eve. A chronic stomach problem flared up and I've had to be careful what I eat and drink. I'm feeling better now (after undergoing some very pleasant foot reflexology with an attractive therapist  8) ) I should start making contributions to this thread soon.

Sarge
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 09, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
We served a "Thanksgiving" dinner last night at our Oscar party.  (See Blind Side reference).  Two bottles were open:
Though two different wines, I predicted that the Pinot would be superior with the meal.  I was wrong.  The Gott was lush, and smooth from start to finish and complimented the meal wonderfully.

By Thanksgiving dinner do you mean roast turkey? Yeah, pinot is my favorite varietal with that bird but really, any wine will do nicely. Turkey complements everything.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 24, 2010, 04:44:36 AM
Well maybe time to reactivated this thread to see what people may be drinking at the moment & to stimulate some current recommendations!  :D

Last night, I had the 2004 Shingleback Shiraz from South Australia (McLaren Vale) - has been sitting in my cellar for 2+ yrs and keeps improving (unfortunately, I have just 1 bottle left, so will wait until next year, although this wine could go on much longer) - believe that I have at least a 3-yr vertical collection of this particular brand.

My Australian collection has become quite low - use to collect many more of their reds, esp. the Shiraz; the country is now in a major 'wine glut' and is importing too many cheap wines to the USA, at least judging from the volume and prices at my local shopping areas - in today's economy, I suspect a major 'shakeout' in the wine industry w/ likely pricing dropping - but we'll see - so, recommendations, comments, wine industry in your 'neck of the woods', etc. -  :D


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2254/2096501104_eb9de4acfa.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 24, 2010, 04:47:27 AM
By Thanksgiving dinner do you mean roast turkey? Yeah, pinot is my favorite varietal with that bird but really, any wine will do nicely. Turkey complements everything.

Sarge

Yes.  Yes. And, yes. ;D

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Post by: Bogey on April 02, 2010, 05:08:41 PM
(http://www.frederickwinehouse.com/images/barrel-room/da-vinci-pinot-grigio.jpg)

Believe it or not, better the second day.  Just drinking it on its own with a couple of Dove chocolates on the side.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 02, 2010, 05:46:07 PM
(http://www.frederickwinehouse.com/images/barrel-room/da-vinci-pinot-grigio.jpg)

Believe it or not, better the second day.  Just drinking it on its own with a couple of Dove chocolates on the side.

Bill - really not an unusual reaction, esp. for young or aged reds; in fact, always a nice test to taste the reds, in particular,  at least a few hours later or the next day!  Dave   :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on April 02, 2010, 08:31:12 PM
Bill - really not an unusual reaction, esp. for young or aged reds; in fact, always a nice test to taste the reds, in particular,  at least a few hours later or the next day!  Dave   :D

This is actually a white, Dave.  The Pinot is misleading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinot_gris

Still yummy, though. :)

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 03, 2010, 04:19:18 AM
This is actually a white, Dave.  The Pinot is misleading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinot_gris

Still yummy, though. :)

Understand Bill, just saying that this phenomenon is more common w/ reds; I've kept 'partially finished' bottles of whites in the refrigerator for a number of days but many don't seem to change much; some w/ 'off flavors' (like a little too much sulfur to prevent oxidation) will certainly change, and some of the more complex whites (e.g. barrel made/aged chardonnays) certainly might show a difference.  In general, always an interesting learning experience to drinks wines, regardless of their color, at different times following pulling the cork, whether in a few hours or the next day.  In addition, letting whites (esp. more complex ones) warm up a little closer to room temperature can be a revelation.  Happy drinking!  Dave  :D
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Post by: Bogey on April 03, 2010, 06:12:40 AM
Got it.  Thanks. This echoes what the wine dealer I get most of my wine from said last time I was in.  In fact, he jots down notes about different wines and how they taste after a few hours and a day or two.  Sometimes they drink better the next day.  In that case, when he opens the next bottle, he really gives it some time and usually uses a decanter.  However, he did say after about three days rarely is a wine nearly as good.  Has that been your experience?
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Post by: Bogey on April 03, 2010, 06:30:33 AM
In addition, letting whites (esp. more complex ones) warm up a little closer to room temperature can be a revelation.

Another great point and totally agree.
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Post by: Peregrine on April 03, 2010, 09:53:07 AM
Just poured a bottle of Pfaffenheim Riesling down the sink. Corked, absolutely rancid smelling and tasting

(http://static.adnams.co.uk/images/products/medium/712664.jpg)

Now drinking a delicious meaty, animal like Pinot from Otago - Domain Road (2006)

(http://davidwallphoto.com/images/%7BA891F72A-4327-4C63-A561-22FCEC50AD93%7D.jpg)



Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on April 03, 2010, 11:59:02 AM
Yup.  Grabbing a Pinot to go with the Easter ham tomorrow.  Sorry about the corked wine.
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Post by: Peregrine on April 03, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
Yup.  Grabbing a Pinot to go with the Easter ham tomorrow. 

Nice  ;)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 03, 2010, 01:53:28 PM
Got it.  Thanks. This echoes what the wine dealer I get most of my wine from said last time I was in.  In fact, he jots down notes about different wines and how they taste after a few hours and a day or two.  Sometimes they drink better the next day.  In that case, when he opens the next bottle, he really gives it some time and usually uses a decanter.  However, he did say after about three days rarely is a wine nearly as good.  Has that been your experience?

Agree w/ the reds that have some 'youngness' or some age, decanting aerates the wine which often tastes more flavorful and less tannic after an hour or so.  Some even like to decant whites, esp. is there might be a little too much 'sulfur' on the nose or some volatile acidity (i.e. a little acetic acid) - often aeration and waiting will help dissipate these objectionable flavors.

Now, as to 'how long' a wine will last, I usually like to consume mine by the next day (exception for me would be ports - 20% alcohol, which can be kept around a little longer).  If I'm planning to keep some wine for much longer than a couple of days (or even overnight), I'll put the remainder in 'half' bottles - best to fill to the top - to avoid excess exposure to air; these smaller bottles can be then put in the refrigerator, even the reds - just let them warm up some - these will usually last and taste similar for 3-4 days or so; never have done any experimentation but not sure if I'd want to keep them around much longer than that amount of time.

Years ago, I used to use those cans of nitrogen gas and re-corked the bottles, but a rather crude concept that was a pain to use and doubt that it preserve wine any better than my 'smaller' bottle method in the frig!  The Cruvinet wine bar systems seen in restaurants and/or at bars certainly works, but a rather expensive choice for the home.  Of course, another solution is the 'wine in a bag' option which does not permit contact w/ air - great solution, but the wines are often pretty mediocre (but improving!).

Dave -  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Saul on April 04, 2010, 05:17:56 AM
I have two favorite wines, both are red and Merlot.

First the Georgian Kindzmarauli about 13.5 Alcohol, fruity and rich with a pleasant aroma and character, goes well with Steak and Salad, or with cheese, breads and pastries...

The Kosher Version of the wine is sold for $17.50 a bottle.

(http://www.corus-us.com/images/wine/kindzmarauli.jpg)

(http://www.tbilvazi.ge/images/kindzmara.jpg)

My second favorite is the Israeli Yarden, Merlot. Very intense character, strong flavor and rich, winner of the Gold Medal in France. Goes well, with a fish/salad dinner, or roast chicken, and steak.  Goes from 13.5 to 15 percent alcohol.


Price : $31.50 for a bottle

(http://buywine.co.il/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_7_11.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 04, 2010, 05:41:23 AM
I have two favorite wines, both are red and Merlot.
First the Georgian Kindzmarauli... My second favorite is the Israeli Yarden, Merlot.

Interesting. I'd like to try those. The farthest east I've ever been was a Bulgarian Merlot, purchased a few years after the Wall came down. It was ridiculously cheap (DM 3.50) but tasted great: well structured, vanilla scented from the barrique aging. Of course those post-Commie bargains didn't last long  :D

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 04, 2010, 05:45:03 AM
Just poured a bottle of Pfaffenheim Riesling down the sink. Corked, absolutely rancid smelling and tasting

That's the primary reason more and more German vintners are turning to other types of closures.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 04, 2010, 06:01:28 AM
Now, as to 'how long' a wine will last...

In our house, less than an hour after the bottle is opened  ;D

Seriously, the most impressive, long-lived white wine I've tasted was a 1990 Brudersberg Riesling Spätlese trocken (dry) from Heyl zu Herrnsheim in Nierstein (Rheinhessen). It was our first time at this famous winery. We showed up after 5 p.m. (after business hours) but the owner invited us into the house and served several wines, including the last dregs from a bottle of that 1990--which he said had been open for 7 days! It tasted so good we bought two cases.

This winery has one of Germany's most famous labels:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/feb2010/3342308048_0ce9f279e3.jpg)

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on April 04, 2010, 06:07:41 AM
In our house, less than an hour after the bottle is opened  ;D

Seriously, the most impressive, long-lived white wine I've tasted was a 1990 Brudersberg Riesling Spätlese trocken (dry) from Heyl zu Herrnsheim in Nierstein (Rheinhessen). It was our first time at this famous winery. We showed up after 5 p.m. (after business hours) but the owner invited us into the house and served several wines, including the last dregs from a bottle of that 1990--which he said had been open for 7 days! It tasted so good we bought two cases.

This winery has one of Germany's most famous labels:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/feb2010/3342308048_0ce9f279e3.jpg)

Sarge

Hope you are able to enjoy more wine again, Sarge.  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 04, 2010, 06:11:57 AM
Hope you are able to enjoy more wine again, Sarge.  :)

I helped Mrs. Rock down a really good Super Tuscan the other day. Felt good afterwards. I'm still avoiding my favorite German whites for the moment (too much acid for my present condition).

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 04, 2010, 07:31:00 AM
I have two favorite wines, both are red and Merlot.

First the Georgian Kindzmarauli about 13.5 Alcohol, fruity and rich with a pleasant aroma and character, goes well with Steak and Salad, or with cheese, breads and pastries...

The Kosher Version of the wine is sold for $17.50 a bottle.


Saul - agree w/ Sarge - those wines indeed look interesting (and delicious!) - I used to collect a 'vertical' of the reds of Ch. Musar (http://www.chateaumusar.com.lb/english/home.aspx) from Lebanon (in the Bekka Vly) - used to be written up in the Wine Spectator a lot; have not had the wine in years and not even sure if it ships into my area any more?  But cannot remember the grape proportions used - seemed to be a Bordeaux-type blend and quite tasty after a few years in the cellar.

For years, I've owned this old 4-volume VHS set by Hugh Johnson on the History of Wine (he had a book come out about the same time) - I can't even play it anymore (no longer have a VHS player in the house, and could not 'burn' it to DVD, was copy protected!)  The the first episode starts out w/ him in Georgia & the Caucasus Mountains, where he felt wine making started (at least historically - I'm sure that the process was 'stumbled upon' by man years/centuries before!  ;D) -  :)



(http://www.chateaumusar.com.lb/Photos/Ch_Rouge_thumb_2.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31OYPu%2BMd4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Saul on April 04, 2010, 10:03:01 AM
Saul - agree w/ Sarge - those wines indeed look interesting (and delicious!) - I used to collect a 'vertical' of the reds of Ch. Musar (http://www.chateaumusar.com.lb/english/home.aspx) from Lebanon (in the Bekka Vly) - used to be written up in the Wine Spectator a lot; have not had the wine in years and not even sure if it ships into my area any more?  But cannot remember the grape proportions used - seemed to be a Bordeaux-type blend and quite tasty after a few years in the cellar.

For years, I've owned this old 4-volume VHS set by Hugh Johnson on the History of Wine (he had a book come out about the same time) - I can't even play it anymore (no longer have a VHS player in the house, and could not 'burn' it to DVD, was copy protected!)  The the first episode starts out w/ him in Georgia & the Caucasus Mountains, where he felt wine making started (at least historically - I'm sure that the process was 'stumbled upon' by man years/centuries before!  ;D) -  :)



(http://www.chateaumusar.com.lb/Photos/Ch_Rouge_thumb_2.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31OYPu%2BMd4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Sonic and Sarge,

I was wowed by the Georgian Kindzmarauli, I was thinking can wine taste so good…?

This wine is so wonderful that you want to fill your glass time after time, thinking that it wont effect you, but then the alcohol kicks in, 13.5 and you can get drunk, so I suggest to have a good meal when you drink this and no more then 2 glasses, and let few hours pass if you still want to drive afterwards.

In the non Kosher wine stores here in NY there are over 20 different Georgian wines, so it seems its popular. The Kosher stores carry a number of Kosher Georgian wines, of course my favorite is Kindzmarauli, then comes the Alazanis, and they also have the Saperavi.

The Alasaniz is a very good wine but stronger then the Kindzmarauli, and its also red. The interesting thing about the Saperavi wine was that when I first drank it, I thought that I was transported back in time , like 2000 years back, it felt ancient, natural, and totally amazing. Very dry red wine, and the flavor stays on in your mouth for a while. Though Kindzmarauili won the day for me, highly recommended to any wine lover out there.

This past Passover Seder I wanted to try a new Israeli wine, so I got the Tidhar. It’s a semi dry red Merlot. 13 percent alcohol, it was worth every penny.
Bottle : $15.95

Next Israeli wine I want to try is the Yogav, its fairly new, also red and the price is $35 dollars a bottle, it should be good.

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Saul on April 04, 2010, 10:21:58 AM
Another wine that I enjoyed was the Israeli Barkan Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve.

This wine is one word DELICIOUS.

Price : $20.76 a bottle

Our aim in Cabernet Reserve is to create the harmonious whole, where neither the barrel nor the fruit is overpowering- but rather balanced, complex and supple. The grapes come from our vineyards in the Golan and Northern Galil. Our emphasis is on harvested at exactly the right point � to create big firm wines that maintain their fruit character without being overly alcoholic. Fermentation is traditional- where prolonged skin contact and management are custom "tailored" to each lot and its own needs. Barrel aging of 20 months, mostly French oak, brings the wine to the balanced character we seek. After barrels have been selected, they are blended and the "assemblage" is carefully prepared for bottling. The result is elegant, rich, dark and which will improve in the bottle for many years.

Then there is the Barkan Superieur Cabernet Sauvignon

The superieur version of the above mentioned (like how can they make it even better hehe)

Bottle : $58.97

This wine is Barkan's flagship Cabernet Sauvignon. It is only made in vintages of the highest quality, when our winemakers feel the wine, while in barrels, warrants producing Superieur. To date, Cabernet Sauvignon Superieur has only been released in 1995, 2000 and 2003.
The grapes originate from selected portions of our best vineyards in the Upper Galilee and the Golan Heights. Typically fermented in small batches with prolonged maceration on the skins, the wines are then aged for 16 to 18 months; mostly in new, French oak. The winemakers then select individual outstanding barrels and compose the final blend, creating a complex harmonious whole. The wine is then returned to new barrels, for a further six months. Following this aging, the wines is very gently fined and filtered before bottling. The bottles are laid down to rest for an additional six months before being released.
Typical tasting notes:
Dark, almost impenetrable royal purple, firm, concentrated. Full-bodied, with soft, gently mouth coating spicy tannins, showing intense aromas and flavors of black currants, blackberries and black cherries, with hints of dates, sage and near-sweet cedar wood. The wine finishes long with a burst of minerals and black fruit. This is a wine with finesse and harmony, yet rich and concentrated: a truly hedonistic delight

Then there is the Merlot version of this Barkan called : Barkan Merlot Superieur

Bottle :$52.50


This wine is sourced from our best plots in the Upper Galilee, with its core coming from a mountainous vineyard, 700m high, right on the Lebanese border.
Several elements have joined together to create this unique wine: a great terroir, in a great vintage, materialized through the know-how and passion of Barkan's winemaking team.
Just as with the Cabernet Sauvignon Superieur, the Merlot Superieur isn't made every year; until now 1998, 2000, 2002 and now 2004, gave us wines of the quality and statement we look for in our Merlot Superieur.
The different lots composing this wine were picked at the height of maturity and fermented in small batches, with 3 weeks of maceration allowing a full extraction of the grapes' riches into the wine. After malolactic fermentation, the wines were put in barrels, mostly of new, French oak. At the final blending, executed after 16 months of aging, 10% of Cabernet Sauvignon wine from the Dishon Vineyard was included.
The wine was bottles after light fining and filtration.
Typical tasting notes:
The robe is deep crimson with a fresh, purple hue.
The nose boasts deep, focused, sweet black berries: smoky blackberry, black cherry and cassis fruit, ripe plums with some sweet, oriental spices and elegant oaky notes.
It is a complex bouquet, with the oak receding to leave the centre of the stage to beautiful, lush fruit.
The palate is massive, endowed with concentrated, powerful fruit enveloping a firm tannic structure. Redolent of black berries and cherries, those on a light background of red peppers and vanilla, as well as an earthy-mineral note, all leading to a long smooth, mouth-filling finish.



Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Peregrine on April 04, 2010, 10:41:06 AM
That's the primary reason more and more German vintners are turning to other types of closures.

Sarge

I can honestly say that the day all wine is sealed by stelvin type closures, then I will be a happy man...
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: MishaK on April 05, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
...

Saul, you might be interested to know that the first and foremost grower in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York, Dr. Konstantin Frank (http://www.drfrankwines.com/), grows a magnificent Rkatsiteli up there - another very interesting Caucasian varietal comparable perhaps to a very aromatic Gewürztraminer. It's a superb and very unique wine.

(http://www.drfrankwines.com/assets/client/Image/Labels/Dr%20F%202007%20Rkatsiteli.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on April 05, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
(http://www.winelistaustralia.com.au/PLU/Coldstream/hillsPinotNoir.jpg)

 2007 for this Australian bottle (Coldstream Hills).  This is the pinot I brought to dinner last night to go with the ham.  No other takers so brought half a bottle back and having a glass as I type.  Not fruity at all, IMO.  The grapes alone(?) come through with a hint of smokiness (as advertised).  About $20-25 for this one, so want to enjoy it without wasting and today it drinks better than yesterday and is smoother.  Seems to have a fuller flavor, if that makes sense.  Could also be that I am enjoying it without food, but either way, I am enjoying it.  Note stelvin type closure on this bottle, Peregrine. ;)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Peregrine on April 05, 2010, 08:23:32 PM
Note stelvin type closure on this bottle, Peregrine. ;)

Duly noted  ;)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Saul on April 07, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
Saul, you might be interested to know that the first and foremost grower in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York, Dr. Konstantin Frank (http://www.drfrankwines.com/), grows a magnificent Rkatsiteli up there - another very interesting Caucasian varietal comparable perhaps to a very aromatic Gewürztraminer. It's a superb and very unique wine.

(http://www.drfrankwines.com/assets/client/Image/Labels/Dr%20F%202007%20Rkatsiteli.jpg)

Very interesting.

Thank you.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 22, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
I can honestly say that the day all wine is sealed by stelvin type closures, then I will be a happy man...

Agree!  Alternates to the standard cork enclosure are being proven the better option in preventing premature aging of the wine, oxidation, and 'corking' - in the May 31 2010 issue of the Wine Spectator (pg. 14), a brief summary from a 10 yr study by the Australian Wine Research Institute showed that wines kept in a 'screw top' vs. other numerous alternates best preserved the flavors of the wine and even the aging potential!

Now I've been pulling plenty of corks for decades but 'screw tops' are fine w/ me! And now at my age, I'll no longer be aging wines, such as vintage ports, for15-20 yrs -  ;) ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 01, 2010, 12:37:19 PM
North Carolina Wine!

Susan & I just returned from a 2-day overnight tour of the Yadkin River Valley AVA (American Viticultural Area), which was the first in the state to be named; there are now two others, Swan Creek & Haw River Valley.  In  addition the number of wineries now in the state is approaching 100!  This is still a 'trial & error' industry here w/ all sorts of grapes being used to make a WIDE variety of wines - the wines are improving and more seem to be winning state and regional medals.

Our little tour covered only 120 miles in 2 days (indicating the closeness of the AVA to our home in Winston-Salem); we stopped at a couple of previously visited wineries (list below - all have websites, if interested) and four newer ones (both NEW & new to us!).  Our overnight stay was at an inexpensive hotel chain close to the Shelton winery - we had dinner at their restaurant, the Harvest Grill  (http://www.sheltonvineyards.com/default.aspx?shelton=40)- I had a wonderfully juicy sauteed local trout and Susan had duck breast w/ pad thai noodles.

Our last stop (almost home) was at an East Bend winery Divine Llama (http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/aboutus.html#) (just opened their tasting room a year ago); started by two Winston-Salem architects who have known each other since 1975 during their schooling at Virginia Tech.  They are not only making wines from some interesting grape hybrids, but also raising llamas & miniature horses; another couple offers llama treks, i.e. a little hiking w/ the llamas including a luncheon w/ wine - couple of pics below from their website; we might give that trek a try soon - just a 30 min drive from our house!

Wineries visited:  Stony Knoll Vineyards, Hutton Vineyards, Shelton Vineyards, Sanders Ridge Winery, RagApple Lassie Vineyards, and Divine Llama Vineyards - google for more details, if planning a visit; had dinner at Shelton and lunch the next day at Sanders Ridge.

(http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/images3/Harveting%20grapes%20with%20llama.jpg)  (http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/images3/Our%20first%20bottle.jpg)

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on May 01, 2010, 04:30:16 PM
Really cool, Dave.  Just went to a little wine tasting down at the local shop in Old Arvada that I like to frequent.  They opened four Spanish wines and I walked out with two of them:

The first:

(http://www.gomersmidtown.com/images/La_Cana_Albarino.jpg)

Fruity up front and a bit of pineapple taste to finish it off.  Smooth.  The Mrs. also enjoyed this one, so probably should have gotten two or three bottles.

The next sold out while I was there:

(http://www.bn-image.com/images/bn/320/141472.jpg)
2009

This one did not bite and had a wonderful dryness to it at the finish. 

I believe my total tab was $26 for the two. 

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 02, 2010, 02:40:10 PM
Really cool, Dave.  Just went to a little wine tasting down at the local shop in Old Arvada that I like to frequent.  They opened four Spanish wines and I walked out with two of them: ................

Bill - I use to have a nice little Spanish collection in my cellar (Riojas & Ribera del Dueros), but have really cut back on my collection & more 'widespread' purchases - the European wines are obviously numerous, many just outstanding, and some at great bargains, but not always easy to find in my locale, probably an issue w/ others; for those living in a LARGE city w/ numerous widespread wine imports and local tastings, then a much easier choice - just not so where I live (and I'm still in a fairly large cosmopolitan area!).

But if one is to explore Spain for wines then the two areas mentioned above are obvious choices, esp. for reds worthy of aging; also check along the Spanish coast near Barcelona and south - look for values!  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 02, 2010, 02:57:20 PM
Pertinent to my recent post on visiting some local NC wineries - tonight sampling the Chardonel grape offering by the Divine Llama Vyds (http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/) just 30 mins from my house - this is a hybrid grape, a cross between Chardonnay & Seyval, the latter a more hearty grape against the colder spring temperatures of the Eastern USA climate; information HERE (http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/hort/faculty/reisch/bulletin/chardonel.html), if interested!  :)

The wine industry in North Carolina is in a state of development and flux, i.e. adaptation of the specific grape varietals (whether European, hybrids - such as Chardonel, or even American - latter yuk for me) will take a number of years for each vineyard area and wineries to resolve - just amazing that such progress has been made here in such a short time!

BTW - the label on the Divine Llama bottlings is beautiful - just wonder if anyone who has visited (or lived) in North Carolina can offer a guess?   ;) ;D

(http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/hort/faculty/reisch/Varietyphotos/chardonel.JPG)  (http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/images3/wines/whites/dlv_Chardonel.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 03, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
BTW - the label on the Divine Llama bottlings is beautiful - just wonder if anyone who has visited (or lived) in North Carolina can offer a guess?   ;) ;D

(http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/images3/wines/whites/dlv_Chardonel.jpg)

Do you mean, Dave, what does the label depict? Chimney Rock?

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 03, 2010, 04:52:29 AM
Do you mean, Dave, what does the label depict? Chimney Rock?


Hi Sarge - good choice, but Chimney Rock is more in the western part of the state, near Lake Lure -  :)

The view in the background is Pilot Mountain (pic below) which is just off HW 52, north of Winston-Salem and south of Mt. Airy (birthplace of Andy Griffith) - thought the label was clever w/ the llama in the foreground and a local landmark instead of the Andes Mtns - Dave  :D

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 03, 2010, 05:58:51 AM
...thought the label was clever w/ the llama in the foreground and a local landmark instead of the Andes Mtns - Dave  :D

It is a great label. You didn't give the wine a review. How did find it? I've had a couple of bottles from the Biltmore Estate (early-00 vintages)...wasn't impressed. Reminded me of certain Ohio wines that even this Ohio boy can't summon much enthusiasm for.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 03, 2010, 09:12:55 AM
It is a great label. You didn't give the wine a review. How did find it? I've had a couple of bottles from the Biltmore Estate (early-00 vintages)...wasn't impressed. Reminded me of certain Ohio wines that even this Ohio boy can't summon much enthusiasm for.

Sarge

The wine was dry and rather austere with little nose - a pleasant drink but one that I'd probably rate in the low 80s if a reviewer for the Wine Spectator.  I did buy a half case of their wines (I usually buy at least a couple of bottles on these visits just to support the industry in the state) - a couple of reds, Cabernet Franc & Merlot, these will probably end up w/ low 80s ratings when tried at home (always seem to taste better at the wineries, esp. when talking to the wine maker!).

Also picked up a Chardonnay (non-oaked) - should have some more flavor than the Chardonel but will still be austere; in addition a couple of different wines made from a new hybrid called Traminette, a cross between a Seyve varietal & Gewurtztraminer - more info HERE (http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/wines.html) - one was dry & the other had a little sugar (2%) - definitely had a Gewurtz nose! 

The North Carolina wine industry has a ways to go - the wines are improving all of the time and I've had some over the years that I would rate in the high 80s but not a common event for me!   Dave  :D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 04, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
The wine was dry and rather austere with little nose - a pleasant drink but one that I'd probably rate in the low 80s if a reviewer for the Wine Spectator.  I did buy a half case of their wines (I usually buy at least a couple of bottles on these visits just to support the industry in the state) - a couple of reds, Cabernet Franc & Merlot, these will probably end up w/ low 80s ratings when tried at home (always seem to taste better at the wineries, esp. when talking to the wine maker!).

Also picked up a Chardonnay (non-oaked) - should have some more flavor than the Chardonel but will still be austere; in addition a couple of different wines made from a new hybrid called Traminette, a cross between a Seyve varietal & Gewurtztraminer - more info HERE (http://www.divinellamavineyards.com/wines.html) - one was dry & the other had a little sugar (2%) - definitely had a Gewurtz nose! 

The North Carolina wine industry has a ways to go - the wines are improving all of the time and I've had some over the years that I would rate in the high 80s but not a common event for me!   Dave  :D

The wines sound drinkable anyway, and wouldn't offend with a meal. The Ohio and Biltmore wines I was thinking of were like semi-sweet Kool-Aid: bland and generic, with no varietal character.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 04, 2010, 03:34:59 AM
The wines sound drinkable anyway, and wouldn't offend with a meal. The Ohio and Biltmore wines I was thinking of were like semi-sweet Kool-Aid: bland and generic, with no varietal character.

Sarge

Yep, each of these wineries makes a range from dry to sickening sweet, the latter even more unpleasant to me if made from native grapes - although Susan seems to like a lot of these styles - so, guess the reason each is made -  :D

The Biltmore Winery is kind of atypical for the state - out in the western mountains near Asheville - it has long existed and is the MOST visited winery in the USA; we just returned from a trip on the Biltmore property - stayed at their lovely inn w/ a view of the winery.  The production is massive and unique to the state's wineries in that Biltmore 'sources in' many of their grapes from outside, including Oregon and California; also, wines are made elsewhere (either by others, such as in California, or by a Biltmore-owned winery, and then their label is attached).

On my last visit (a few months ago), I brought home a case of Biltmore wines - had a couple of bottles of Pinot Noir made in the Russian River Vly of California - actually quite good; also, a couple of Chardonnays, one made from Sonoma grapes and the other from grapes grown on the Biltmore NC grounds (and the later an oaked reserve) - liked the Biltmore Chard the best.  So Biltmore does offer some decent wines, but they often are not from NC grapes - label usually makes that pretty clear, but I'm not sure that many of the visitors understand the differences?  Dave  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 04, 2010, 03:51:03 AM
Although I've been to Asheville several times...even spent six days there once...I've never been to the Biltmore Estate or winery (I'm a really lousy tourist  ;D ) The Biltmore bottles I drank came from a supermarket and I'm pretty sure they were homegrown grapes, not imports. That they buy grapes from Cali is interesting. I'll keep that in mind when next I vist NC.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 07, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
Well, I was NOT planning to bring up the North Carolina wines since most are not available outside of the state, but I did bring home about 18 bottles or so on my recent local trip to 6 wineries (purchased at 5) - but, the last couple of nights, I've been enjoying two Chardonnays, 2008 vintage, from Shelton Vineyards (http://www.sheltonvineyards.com/) in Dobson (stayed at their hotel, a franchise chain; and ate a wonderful meal at their restaurant - previously described) -  :)

One is labeled Bin 17 (below left) - no oak or malo fermentation - so, an acidic fruity drink - quite pleasant - w/ warming more toward room temperature, I'd probably rate this wine in the mid-80s based on the Wine Spectator scale - believe that '08 was felt to be a good year for the white grapes!

The other is their Estate bottling - don't have a pic - a little more expensive (i.e. $12 vs. $16) - full description HERE (http://www.sheltonvineyards.com/default.aspx?shelton=70&objId=139); more Burgundian in concept, i.e. fermented 'sur lies' and aged in various oak containers - actually liked this one best, and could consider a larger purchase; rating mid to high 80s - not BAD at all for a regional Yadkin River appellation - becoming more impressed w/ these wines!  :)

Now I know that these are not going to be available in most of your areas and furthermore that the pricing just does not match the often excellent values from say South America or Australia, BUT if you plan to visit North Carolina for whatever reason, and have some 'extra time' to spend, then a visit to the local wineries is a GREAT option -  :D  Dave

(http://www.sheltonvineyards.com/resources/images/product_large/w_bin17_chardonnay_2005.png)  (http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/imager/trail_of_cheers/b/original/170667/25cb/cover1-4_20070613.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on May 08, 2010, 04:39:18 PM
(http://www.gomersmidtown.com/images/La_Cana_Albarino.jpg)

Took your advice Dave and went back and bought two more bottles of this, that is, if you really enjoy a wine, get multiple bottles.  They sold out last week during the tasting, but the owner was there and had an extra case put aside, so.... ;D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 12, 2010, 03:01:04 AM
There's an interesting article on Burgundy and Thomas Jefferson in the NYTimes

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/travel/13footsteps.html


Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on June 12, 2010, 03:37:45 AM
There's an interesting article on Burgundy and Thomas Jefferson in the NYTimes

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/travel/13footsteps.html


Sarge

Thanks, Sarge!
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 14, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
There's an interesting article on Burgundy and Thomas Jefferson in the NYTimes

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/travel/13footsteps.html

Sarge - thanks for the link; a lot of recent discussion of Tom J. and wine - need to check my wine book collection since several have been written in recent years - Dave  :D

Tonight, I decided to decant a bottle (last one) of a Noval LBV Port (LBV = Late Bottled Vintage) from 1997; bought in 2004, so has been laying in my basement cellar for 6 yrs+ (notice the dust on the bottle!). 

Not sure that there are authentic 'port fans' here, but a fortified red (and sweet) wine from Portugal - 20% alcohol content - check the Wiki Article HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_wine) for definitions of the various types; if you like 'vintage port' but cannot afford the price or willing to wait for years if not a decade or more, then the LBVs might be your best option?

LBVs come from a single year and are aged somewhat longer before bottling (i.e. compared to the 'true' vintage ports); many are 'filtered' then bottled and ready for drinking; however, there is quite a variation in the quality and the taste of the LBVs; e.g. if the wine comes from a good year & the right vineyards, is aged to the minimal requirement, and then bottled unfiltered (as in the port that I decanted tonight), the result might just be an inexpensive port w/ a vintage taste!

Well, this is what happened tonight!  I decanted the Noval LBV 97 Port using my usual stainless steel funnel w/ a mesh filter - process went fine; a tremendous amount of sediment was left in the bottle - now for the taste, as good as a number of much more expensive (and longer aged) vintage ports - BOTTOM LINE is that there is an overlap between these two port styles; read the labels carefully & check the reviews - you are likely to find a LBV port w/ many of the qualities of an aged vintage option at a much reduced price!   :)
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Post by: Saul on August 02, 2010, 03:34:41 AM
This past weekend, I purchased three bottles of wine. All three were Georgian, one of them was my favorite, Kindzmarauli, and two new ones that I never tasted before, they are Akhasheni and Pirosmani.

All three are Semi Sweet Red wines, ranging from 12 to 13 % alcohol. Amazingly rich and delicious, each wine had its own unique and different character, taste, and flavor. I enjoyed all three very much and I highly recommend them to any wine lover out there.

Akhasgeni
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Pirosmani
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Kindzmarauli
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 10, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Off on a quick 'overnight' trip to visit some North Carolina wineries in the middle of the Yadkin River Vly & Swan Creek AVAs (American Viticultural Areas), 2 of the 3 now in this state which has reach about 100 wineries total!

Staying at a nice 'inexpensive' Fairfield Inn & Suites in Elkin and about to have dinner at Twenty One & Main Restaurant (http://www.twentyoneandmain.com/) in the historic downtown area - our first experience but the menu looks good and the owners are originally from Charleston, SC!

Visited 3 wineries today and will do 3 more tomorrow and then head back to Winston-Salem - will have been gone just over 24 hrs - wines still need improvement!  But we tasted some pretty good ones today -  :D


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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 11, 2010, 10:02:51 AM
Just a follow-up of the second day of our stay in the Yadkin Vly wine region of North Carolina - just did 2 wineries on the second day - the one that fascinated me the most was Raffaldini Vyds; picture below shows the tasting building w/ adjacent vineyards & beautiful landscaping; also not as well shown are the Blue Ridge Mtns in the background; indeed a gorgeous location for the tasting!

The other interesting aspect of this property is the emphasis on Italian & Mediterrean grapes, some grown only here along the entire east coast USA; I bought a half case of their wines, each different:

Pinot Grigio, 2008 - a grape that does well in North Carolina; this one an excellent example.
Vermentino, 2009 - white varietal from Sardinia; new to me - will try tonight w/ Susan's calamari dish!
Bella Misto, 2008 - typical Bordeaux blend w/ mainly Cabernet Sauvignon/Merlot - just released & tannic.
Sangiovese Riserva, 2008 - classic Chianti grape; extended oak aging.
Oenotria, 2008 - Malbec/Tannat blend; latter prominently used in Uruguay; so a South American style!
Montepulciano, 2008 - prominent Italian grape from Abruzzo; quite dark & intense.

These reds are quite young and likely would improve w/ a number of months or a year of aging - at 1 bottle each, may not last long in my house -  ;D  I've been reluctant to buy a 'small' red sampling of NC wines to age but this winery may change my mind.

For those who may be visiting the Carolinas and want to see some wineries, just leave a post here - I can certainly recommend a variety of locations and styles - the wines here are definitely getting better!  :)


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Post by: bwv 1080 on September 11, 2010, 11:44:33 AM
Really cool, Dave.  Just went to a little wine tasting down at the local shop in Old Arvada that I like to frequent.

you mean the area by St Anne's church?  (I grew up in Arvada - moved to TX in Jr high)
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Post by: bwv 1080 on September 11, 2010, 11:55:22 AM
There is too much wine out there for me to spend my money to challenge my prejudice that decent wine can only come from a mediterranean climate (there are 4 outside the namesake - the US Pacific Coast, Chile / Argentina, Australia & South Africa). 

Had some more Turly zin (don't remember the year or type) at a business dinner recently which confirmed my opinion that it is the best of its type

on my own dime, been liking this alot (about 1/10 the price of a bottle of Turley)

(http://www.thewinebuyer.com/labels/P46825.jpg)

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Post by: Bogey on September 11, 2010, 07:30:39 PM
you mean the area by St Anne's church?  (I grew up in Arvada - moved to TX in Jr high)

Yes!  One street over.  My wife and I love the area.  They have redone much of it and added a few shops and restaurants.  On a side note, I attend Communion Service every Friday morning at St. Anne's Shrine, so know it fairly well. :)
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Post by: The new erato on September 12, 2010, 01:17:38 AM
There is too much wine out there for me to spend my money to challenge my prejudice that decent wine can only come from a mediterranean climate (there are 4 outside the namesake - the US Pacific Coast, Chile / Argentina, Australia & South Africa). 

Pedantic here: Bordeax, Loire, Champagne, Mosel etc are most definitely not examples of Mediterranean climate, something that are very obvious if you travel in these areas. It's very instructive to travel from eg the North of France, through Lyons, and note how you suddenly on most occasions just south of Lyons you suddenly find yourself in another world with regard to temperature, dryness/moisture,  cloudyness etc. The same experience is very noticeable on most occasions when you go from Bordeaux (which is definitely Atlantic) to eg Agde/Perignan which I have done on a number on occasions.



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Post by: bwv 1080 on September 12, 2010, 05:54:22 AM
Yes!  One street over.  My wife and I love the area.  They have redone much of it and added a few shops and restaurants.  On a side note, I attend Communion Service every Friday morning at St. Anne's Shrine, so know it fairly well. :)

I have taken communion there too (but was not supposed to, as the lone episcopalian in the 7th grade class at St. Anne's school)
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Post by: Harpo on September 13, 2010, 03:52:49 PM
Off on a quick 'overnight' trip to visit some North Carolina wineries in the middle of the Yadkin River Vly & Swan Creek AVAs (American Viticultural Areas), 2 of the 3 now in this state which has reach about 100 wineries total!


One of the wineries we visited was called "Slightly Askew." They make their wines from grape concentrate and do not have a vineyard. They offer reds, whites, and 8 kinds of fruity dessert wines. I, a semi-teetotaler, liked all 8 and bought 3 bottles from them.  Another winery made a "strawberry shortcake" wine, which I also purchased. True oenophiles are probably gagging by now, but these wines are refreshing and actually not overly sweet.

(http://www.slightlyaskewwines.com/index_files/image316.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 20, 2010, 06:24:58 AM
Just a follow-up of the second day of our stay in the Yadkin Vly wine region of North Carolina - just did 2 wineries on the second day - the one that fascinated me the most was Raffaldini Vyds; picture below shows the tasting building

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/RaffaldiniVydsWeb/1003266529_rfT7m-O.jpg)

That's the tasting building? Wow...magnificent. I think I could happily live there  :D  Mrs. Rock and I both love Italian reds. We'll have to make an effort to visit that winery.

Ate supper twice this weekend at a favorite Rheinhessen winery, Weingut G.A. Schneider in Nierstein. The third weekend in September every year they and other Nierstein vintners have an "open house" (Tag der offenen Winzerhöfe), featuring cellar and vineyard tours, tastings, and home-made food (Frau Schneider's specialty is Backeskartoffeln, kind of like scalloped potatoes with ham, heavy on the cinnamon--really quite delicious and goes well with either red or white wine). I bought several cases of dry Riesling. He elminated the vineyard names on the label (why, I don't know: a marketing mistake, I think). Anyway, the Riesling vom Kalk (chalk) is from the Paterberg; the Rotliegenden is from the superb and very steep Hipping (the soil red slate).

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The Paterberg tastes great now but the Hipping will need a year in the cellar before it starts showing well, I think. That's been the case in the past anyway. Interesting in that the wine ready to drink now comes with a screw cap; the one for cellaring with cork.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 20, 2010, 08:03:31 AM
Sarge - well, if you two are ever in this area, we'll meet you at the winery (and possibly others) - BTW, I did buy a half case of their wines, and so far several are rather tasty - still a ways to go for North Carolina, but I find improvement w/ each coming year -  :D

That's the tasting building? Wow...magnificent. I think I could happily live there  :D  Mrs. Rock and I both love Italian reds. We'll have to make an effort to visit that winery.

Trocken of course means dry (if not 'bone' dry!) - so, I'm curious if the alcohol content is higher than in the 'sweeter' Rieslings?  I use to collect German Rieslings but my cellar is now a 'shadow' of its former self! Still drinking plenty of wine but as I've gotten older (and the prices of many of the wines I use to buy have escalated into the heavens), I'm purchasing much less to 'lay away' except for short term.

BTW - the dining (and wine) experience sound fabulous!  Finally, I'm all for screw tops, even on wines to be laid down for a while; I'm glad I never got that interest in collecting antique corkscrews -  ;) ;D  Dave

Ate supper twice this weekend at a favorite Rheinhessen winery, Weingut G.A. Schneider in Nierstein. The third weekend in September every year they and other Nierstein vintners have an "open house" (Tag der offenen Winzerhöfe), featuring cellar and vineyard tours, tastings, and home-made food (Frau Schneider's specialty is Backeskartoffeln, kind of like scalloped potatoes with ham, heavy on the cinnamon--really quite delicious and goes well with either red or white wine). I bought several cases of dry Riesling. He elminated the vineyard names on the label (why, I don't know: a marketing mistake, I think). Anyway, the Riesling vom Kalk (chalk) is from the Paterberg; the Rotliegenden is from the superb and very steep Hipping (the soil red slate).

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/july2010/P9202952CROP2.jpg)

The Paterberg tastes great now but the Hipping will need a year in the cellar before it starts showing well, I think. That's been the case in the past anyway. Interesting in that the wine ready to drink now comes with a screw cap; the one for cellaring with cork.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 20, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
Trocken of course means dry (if not 'bone' dry!) - so, I'm curious if the alcohol content is higher than in the 'sweeter' Rieslings?

Yes, higher. For example, Schneider's 2008 Hipping Riesling Spätlese has 55g/l sugar and 9.5% alcohol. The Hipping Riesling Spätlese trocken has 6.3 g/l sugar and 13% alcohol.

The non-dry Mosels are a delight to drink. Because of the sugar/acid ratio they don't necessarily taste sweet (especially Kabinetts) and go well with food, and yet only have 7 or 8% alcohol. You can drink a lot and not feel the effects. Nice  8)

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on September 20, 2010, 09:55:33 AM

The non-dry Mosels are a delight to drink. Because of the sugar/acid ratio they don't necessarily taste sweet (especially Kabinetts) and go well with food, and yet only have 7 or 8% alcohol. You can drink a lot and not feel the effects. Nice  8)

Sarge
I agree, but IMO  they need several years laying down to move beyond the sugary stage and develop complexity - as well as to get rid of all the sulphur necessary to stabilize such a sweet wine. Dramatic airing (I think several days here) ususally helps, but there's really no substitute for some serious cellaring time (3-4 years for Kabinetts. 7-10 years or more for Spætleses).
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 20, 2010, 10:22:10 AM
I agree, but IMO  they need several years laying down to move beyond the sugary stage and develop complexity - as well as to get rid of all the sulphur necessary to stabilize such a sweet wine. Dramatic airing (I think several days here) ususally helps, but there's really no substitute for some serious cellaring time (3-4 years for Kabinetts. 7-10 years or more for Spætleses).

I agree. Mosels not only can age well, they should be aged. Still, some producers make wine that can be enjoyed fairly young, like Fritz Haag, probably my favorite vintner on the Mosel proper (my absolute favorite "Mosel" wines come from the Ruwer and Saar). The famous J.J. Prüm, though, needs years in the cellar. His young wine can smell like the bowels of hell, the sulphur so strong  >:D   :D

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on September 20, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
I've tasted with Wilhelm Haag a few years ago (as well as with Ernie Loosen and Rheinhold Haart on another occasion). I also am somewhat partial to the Saar Ruwer, Maximin Grunhaus of course (I've met Carl von Scubert as well), and Zilliken (where I narrowly missed an appointmeint in 2004). Egon Mullers wines are wonderful, but waaaaay to pricey unfortunately.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on November 02, 2010, 02:28:49 PM
Well, not much going on here for six weeks or so -  :-\  I'm sure that we are all still drinking wine -  ;D

Concerning my wine cellar, I've mainly added some reds from South America & Oregon - the latter were some excellent recommendations w/ most in the mid-$20 range - will be glad to list the wines for those interested who may be able to purchased them - just respond -  :)

But main reason for this updated post relates to the purchase of a couple of wine books relative to 'tasting wines':

Making Sense of Wine Tasting: Your Essential Guide to Enjoying Wine, Fifth Edition by Alan Young - as indicated, this is the 5th ed; I've owned at least several earlier ones - just started my read (and nearly half way done) - this is an excellent and short book w/ plenty of illustrations; however, there is considerable technical  discussion regarding physics of light, anatomy of tasting/smelling, and molecular organic chemistry - not a problem for me being a past reader (and also a physician who took organic chemistry) - might want to take a look at this book in a local shop before a purchase?

How to Taste: A Guide to Enjoying Wine by Jancis Robinson - now in third edition (I've own at least one previous publication) - another short book w/ Robinson's usual easy writing; this book (which I've not started yet but know from previous experience and the author's style) will be an easier introduction than the previous one discussed above - this should be an enjoyable read, as usual.

For those just getting into wine who want a book on 'tasting', then I would definitely such Robinson; otherwise if your wallet has enough $$, then buy both -  ;D

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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 09, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Well, I'm sure that many of us are still drinking wine regularly, but not much action here in recent months!  :-\

As in my last post in this vinous thread, a couple more books that I am now ordering off Amazon:

Washington Wines and Wineries - Essential Guide, 2nd ed. (2010)  by Paul Gregutt - I own the first edition and want this one, too!  Washington State is the 2nd largest producer of wine in the USA (of course, way behind California) - this state offers some of the best bargains around from the West Coast (although in a delayed fashion, the prices are escalating which has turned me off to purchasing many California favorites from the past); but if you have access to wines from this state, then this new edition is a recommended buy (just written up in the California Grapevine, December 2010-January 2011 issue as 'highly recommended).

The New Connoisseurs' Guidebook to California Wine and Wineries (2010) by Charles Oaken & Joseph Furstenthal - although not listed as a 'new' edition, this is an update!  From the pens of another wine newsletter, i.e. The Connoisseurs' Guide to California Wine, which I've subscribed to for years; again, well recommended in the same Grapevine issue mentioned above - just ordered a copy from Amazon; for those who have access to a lot of CA wines, another recommendation (same rating from the Grapevine as above for the other book) - looking forward to receiving both of these new editions!  :D

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CtL-BiOWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)  (http://www.1winedude.com/wp-content/uploads/51qTRxsI3BL-8x6.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 13, 2010, 10:50:17 AM
ended).

The New Connoisseurs' Guidebook to California Wine and Wineries (2010) by Charles Oaken & Joseph Furstenthal - although not listed as a 'new' edition, this is an update!  From the pens of another wine newsletter, i.e. The Connoisseurs' Guide to California Wine, which I've subscribed to for years; again, well recommended in the same Grapevine issue mentioned above - just ordered a copy from Amazon; for those who have access to a lot of CA wines, another recommendation (same rating from the Grapevine as above for the other book) - looking forward to receiving both of these new editions!  :D

Hey, Dave. I bought wine this weekend, including some California reds at the PX (army store) in Wiesbaden: Frei Brothers 2007 Dry Creek Valley Reserve Merlot ($17.95) and Louis M. Martini 2006 Napa Valley Reserve Cabernet ($23.95). Bought blind, six bottles each. Does your book mention them? Did I choose wisely?  :D  (Actually, there wasn't much choice; they've essentially stopped offering many wines above the 10 buck barrier.)

In a wine shop in Worms, I picked up a couple bottles of Champagne produced by a "boutique" vintner, the 2003 Tarlant Reserve Brut. 1/3 chardonnay, 1/3 pinot noir, 1/3 pinot meunier. 30 Euro a bottle.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 13, 2010, 02:35:32 PM
Hey, Dave. I bought wine this weekend, including some California reds at the PX (army store) in Wiesbaden: Frei Brothers 2007 Dry Creek Valley Reserve Merlot ($17.95) and Louis M. Martini 2006 Napa Valley Reserve Cabernet ($23.95). Bought blind, six bottles each. Does your book mention them? Did I choose wisely?  :D  (Actually, there wasn't much choice; they've essentially stopped offering many wines above the 10 buck barrier.)

In a wine shop in Worms, I picked up a couple bottles of Champagne produced by a "boutique" vintner, the 2003 Tarlant Reserve Brut. 1/3 chardonnay, 1/3 pinot noir, 1/3 pinot meunier. 30 Euro a bottle.

Hi Sarge - the books have not arrived yet, but I don't recall a rating on the Frei Brothers 2007 Merlot - but a simple google would likely bring up some sites w/ comments and ratings; now concerning the Louis Martini 2006 Cabernet, I do have some of their 2006 'regular' cabernet which did receive a very good rating, so I suspect that reserve bottling will be quite excellent!  Hope that you enjoy both -  :)

I picked up a couple of sparkling wines for the holidays (actual the same one) - Mumm Napa Brut Rose (non-vintage and just $15 a bottle) (pic below right) - in the Conn. Guide, holiday issue, this wine received a **/90+ rating, so just an outstanding value;  for those who may have access to this wine and need some seasonal bubbly, pick up a bottle (or more!) - Dave  ;D

(http://www.menusarang.com/xe/files/attach/images/801/014/009/Mumm_Napa_Sparkling_Trio.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 14, 2010, 10:07:32 AM
now concerning the Louis Martini 2006 Cabernet, I do have some of their 2006 'regular' cabernet which did receive a very good rating, so I suspect that reserve bottling will be quite excellent!  Hope that you enjoy both -  :)

We'll be trying the Martini reserve cab tonight with filet mignon.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on December 25, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
Prime rib and Yorkshire pudding, complimented by garlic mashed potatoes and brussel sprouts cooked in olive oil and fresh garlic.  Chose this wine (2009) to go with the meal.  Just my wife and I will be drinking it, but we are most pleased with very modest sweet and dry finish.

(http://www.ninenorthwines.com/images/rightart_20bench.gif)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 26, 2010, 04:21:22 AM
A Christmas gift from Mrs. Rock's parents: a case of Knipser reds:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/oct2010/knipse.jpg)

Six bottles of the 2004 Großkarlbacher Burgweg Spätburgunder (pinor noir), three bottles of 2007 St. Laurent (an old varietal related to pinot noir, grown primarily in Germany and Austria) and three of the 2007 Gaudenz, a blend of cabernet sauvignon and Dornfelder.

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on December 26, 2010, 06:28:59 AM
Hope they're not too heavy on the oak, a fate seeming to occur to most ambitious German reds (and the reason I often prefer the cheaper bottlings).
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 26, 2010, 07:44:41 AM
Just started to order wine online from Wine Access (http://www.wineaccess.com/); now I've been a long time member of the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/StoreFront.bok), but just received my second order (half case - and need to sign @ the door) of some interesting Malbecs (about $14/bottle) - tried the Patagonia wine last night - excellent (I'd go into the high 80s close to 90); Robert Parker rated the other bottling a 91 - my first order was a Chad Pinot Noir from California (tasty and rich depth) - think that I'll peruse their website today and place another order!  ;D


(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/MalbecsWineAccess/1137128523_QiEfv-O.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 27, 2010, 05:59:35 AM
Hope they're not too heavy on the oak, a fate seeming to occur to most ambitious German reds (and the reason I often prefer the cheaper bottlings).

I know what you mean: either an excess of vanilla, masking the fruit, or, in less ripe, less concentrated wine, so much bitter wood you fear getting a splinter in your throat  ;D  Knipser's use of oak (and Lingenfelder's too, in the neighboring Weinort, Großkarlbach) is usually judicious. Even his whites are nicely balanced (he produces an outstanding Chardonnay Auslese trocken: here's a review of the 2003 (http://www.winerambler.net/wine/knipser-chardonnay-trocken-2003)). The Gaudenz is closer to a traditional German red because he uses used oak barrels rather than new. Makes the wine a relative bargain too.

Sarge
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 27, 2010, 06:30:45 AM
(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/MalbecsWineAccess/1137128523_QiEfv-O.jpg)

Looks like an outstanding buy, Dave. I love Malbecs.

Sarge
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Post by: Peregrine on December 27, 2010, 06:37:47 AM
(http://static.vinopedia.com/labels/64133.jpg)

Drinking the 2002^

A Cabernet Sauvignon dominated drop I think and still has plenty of life in it. May have to ask the other half for some more for my birthday!

Had much wine over Christmas - the stand outs being the Trimbach Gewurz' 2007 and Riesling Reserve. Great estate.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 27, 2010, 10:09:02 AM
Had much wine over Christmas - the stand outs being the Trimbach Gewurz' 2007 and Riesling Reserve. Great estate.

It is. We haven't been to Alsace, though, or bought any Trimbach wine since I took my sister and her husband to the region more than a year ago. I bought Gewurztraminer vendanges tardive then specifically to satisfy their American sweet tooth.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on January 08, 2011, 05:48:58 PM
We needed a bit of white wine to mix with the extra cheese from the holidays that we are going to throw in the  fondue pot tonight.  This was the rec for a wine that would work nicely for cooking and then for drinking with the chicken picatta dish that will follow tomorrow night.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UIXOn06Pz70/SQ-ITgHkH3I/AAAAAAAAFPw/FQY9hDnmOio/s800/Chicken+Piccata+500.jpg)

(http://blogs.gangofpour.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/pierre_grange.jpg)

A 2010 NY Times article on Muscadets here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/dining/reviews/01wine.html
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 12, 2011, 04:06:43 AM
This may interest Dave the most: Jacques' Wine Depot--the largest wine shop in Worms--received a shipment of 2010 sauvignon blanc from Marisco Vineyards (http://www.marisco.co.nz/): The Ned. The shop's owner opened a chilled bottle for us to sample. It was stunning, one of the best New Zealand whites I've ever had: grassy with gooseberry and citrus notes plus a huge tropical fruit finish. Good acidity. We bought two six packs (€13 a bottle). We also bought a bottle of the 2009 Ned pinot noir.

After we got home I checked out reviews on the internet: uniformly positive, including first place in a tasting done by Cuisine Magazine of 185 2010 NZ sauvignon blancs. Dave, if this is available in your area check it out. I think you'll like it.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/oct2010/P1112989.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/oct2010/P1112990.jpg)


Sarge

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Post by: SonicMan46 on January 12, 2011, 04:25:29 AM
Sarge - well, as you know NZ Sauvignon Blanc is one of my current favorite whites - was just sipping on some Kim Crawford last night for dinner - not sure if the Ned ships to my area (BUT, plenty more well rated ones reach North Carolina) - Marlborough on the northern part of the south island has a capacity to make 100,000s of cases of this delicious stuff!  Dave  :D ;D

P.S. Don't you love those screw caps!  I do -  ;D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 12, 2011, 08:31:48 AM
....not sure if the Ned ships to my area (BUT, plenty more well rated ones reach North Carolina)...

They aren't so plentiful here...at least not the great ones. It's pretty exciting to come across a NZ sauvignon blanc like The Ned that hasn't been sitting on a shelf too long...long past its "use by" date.

P.S. Don't you love those screw caps!  I do -  ;D

For this type of wine, yeah, love 'em. The bottles store easily too: no need to lay them on their side.

Sarge
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 19, 2011, 06:32:02 AM
Scarlett Johansson and Moet. Now this is how to sell champagne! Moet & Chandon is my least favorite of the grande marques but I'm going to buy a bottle anyway just to show my appreciation for their advertising style  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/scarlett-johansson-moet-and-chandon-ad-05_600.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/scarlett-johansson-moet-and-chandon-ad-03_500.jpg)


Sarge

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Post by: SonicMan46 on January 19, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
Scarlett Johansson and Moet. Now this is how to sell champagne! Moet & Chandon is my least favorite of the grande marques but I'm going to buy a bottle anyway just to show my appreciation for their advertising style  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/scarlett-johansson-moet-and-chandon-ad-05_600.jpg)  (http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/scarlett-johansson-moet-and-chandon-ad-03_500.jpg)


Sarge

LOL -  ;D  Saw that offered (sans Scarlett) @ Costco the other day - almost picked up a bottle!  Dave  :)
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Post by: The new erato on January 19, 2011, 09:24:50 AM
So now we havve white wine, red wine, and scarlet wine?
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 20, 2011, 08:14:49 AM
An article about 2008 Oregon pinot noir:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/dining/reviews/19wine.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage


Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2011, 09:02:30 AM
An article about 2008 Oregon pinot noir:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/dining/reviews/19wine.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage

Sarge - thanks for the link on the 2008 Oregon Pinot Noirs - just took a look in the basement; I've been acquiring this vintage since March of last year and now have about 16 bottles of 7 different ones, most purchased from the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/StoreFront.bok) and several locally - prices for me (w/o S/H) varied from $23-$32 per bottle - I won't go much for $30 which often excludes the best rated wines, so finding value & bargains is part of the fun!

For those who have access to these wines, review the link because '08 is a fabulous year & I plan to purchase more - I usually just buy 3 bottles of each wine, drink one immediately to decide on potential aging and put the others in the cellar; most of these less expensive pinots will not need much aging (I drink mine w/i a year or two).  Also keep in mind if you want to use the PN club in my link, the owner, Bob Wolfe, often just gets a handful of cases of some of these rarities, so buy quickly if you have an interest.

Dave -  :)

P.S. 2008s that I have currently are: Cooper Mtn, Patricia Green, Roco, Ponzi, Cardwell Hill, Longplay, & Ransom - all can be recommended in their price range, and none were included in the NY Times review, but again availability is always an issue in Oregon!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 20, 2011, 09:10:39 AM
Sarge - thanks for the link on the 2008 Oregon Pinot Noirs - just took a look in the basement; I've been acquiring this vintage since March of last year and now have about 16 bottles of 7 different ones, most purchased from the Oregon Pinot Noir Club (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/StoreFront.bok) and several locally - prices for me (w/o S/H) varied from $23-$32 per bottle - I won't go much for $30 which often excludes the best rated wines, so finding value & bargains is part of the fun!

For those who have access to these wines, review the link because '08 is a fabulous year & I plan to purchase more - I usually just buy 3 bottles of each wine, drink one immediately to decide on potential aging and put the others in the cellar; most of these less expensive pinots will not need much aging (I drink mine w/i a year or two).  Also keep in mind if you want to use the PN club in my link, the owner, Bob Wolfe, often just gets a handful of cases of some of these rarities, so buy quickly if you have an interest.

Dave -  :)

P.S. 2008s that I have currently are: Cooper Mtn, Patricia Green, Roco, Ponzi, Cardwell Hill, Longplay, & Ransom - all can be recommended in their price range, and none were included in the NY Times review, but again availability is always an issue in Oregon!

The PXs in Germany used to stock some of the better Oregon wineries but no longer. All I can do is read...and dream   :'(

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on January 20, 2011, 09:42:59 AM
The PXs in Germany used to stock some of the better Oregon wineries but no longer. All I can do is read...and dream   :'(

Sarge
Yeah - like living in Sahara and dreaming about sand.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 20, 2011, 09:51:00 AM
Yeah - like living in Sahara and dreaming about sand.

 ;D :D ;D

Yeah, well there is no shortage of great pinot noir in Germany, of course. In fact we're having a bottle of Dr. Wehrheim's Spätburgunder tonight with roast chicken. But the Oregon variety is unique and I do miss drinking it.

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on January 20, 2011, 10:00:58 AM
I was thinking more along the lines that in an 3-4 hour trip along the Autobahn you have the greatest Pinot Noir territory in the world (do I need to spell it out?) and can stuff your car to your hearts delight.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 20, 2011, 10:06:36 AM
I was thinking more along the lines that in an 3-4 hour trip along the Autobahn you have the greatest Pinot Noir territory in the world (do I need to spell it out?) and can stuff your car to your hearts delight.

If I were willing to spend the kind of money it takes to buy the great Burgundies, yes, I'd agree with you. But at a comparable price point (i.e., one that I can reasonably afford) I find German pinot usually better than the cheaper burgundies.

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on January 20, 2011, 10:10:25 AM
Yeah, but then try Beajoulais; there's tons of cheap and beautiful stuff that does a great impersonation of juicy Pinot.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 20, 2011, 02:34:25 PM
Yeah, but then try Beajoulais; there's tons of cheap and beautiful stuff that does a great impersonation of juicy Pinot.

We used to drink Beaujoulais often--not so much in the last ten years. There's been a resurgence in quality, I hear, so I'll have to give it another try.

Tonight's dinner wine : pinot noir from one of the best vintners in the southern Pfalz:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/oct2010/P1202996.jpg) 


Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on January 21, 2011, 04:57:56 AM
We used to drink Beaujoulais often--not so much in the last ten years. There's been a resurgence in quality, I hear, so I'll have to give it another try.

Tonight's dinner wine : pinot noir from one of the best vintners in the southern Pfalz:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/oct2010/P1202996.jpg) 


Sarge

Can you send me a link that would allow me to show my wine seller this and see if I can get it in the states, Sarge?
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 22, 2011, 04:43:28 AM
Can you send me a link that would allow me to show my wine seller this and see if I can get it in the states, Sarge?

There's actually an importer located in Colorado that deals in Dr. Wehrheim. Here's the link:

http://www.magellanwineimports.com/german_wines/dr_wehrheim

They don't seem to carry his pinot noir though. If you like white wine, try the Weissburgunder (or Weisser Burgunder)....exceptional. I notice they also import Knipser wines. He's one of the best, some think the best, maker of German pinot noir (Spätburgunder). My parents-in-law traditionally give me Knipser wine for Christmas and my birthday.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/oct2010/knipse.jpg)


Link here: http://www.magellanwineimports.com/german_wines/knipser

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on January 22, 2011, 07:16:02 AM
Thank you!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 25, 2011, 07:05:14 AM
chicken picatta dish that will follow tomorrow night.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UIXOn06Pz70/SQ-ITgHkH3I/AAAAAAAAFPw/FQY9hDnmOio/s800/Chicken+Piccata+500.jpg)

Hey, Bill, you inspired last night's supper. I made chicken piccata for the first time. I've mentioned before that I don't like capers but in the last few weeks I've forced myself to eat them. I'm finally acquiring the taste. The recipes I found online say to use either chicken stock or white wine for the sauce. I used both: 2/3 stock and 1/3 sauvignon blanc (The Ned from NZ which we drank with the meal too). I added a couple cloves of minced garlic which most of the recipes I saw didn't include. Mrs. Rock was happy with the results (she's a caper lover). The wine was perfect with this dish.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on January 30, 2011, 04:17:04 AM
Glad that you enjoyed the meal, Sarge!

Last night we went over a friends house with a number of other couples and had Chinese take-out.  So I did some digging and came up with this:

http://kathleenlisson.blogspot.com/2008/04/chinese-takeout-and-red-wine-pairing.html

So, I brought a bottle from this guy's winery:

(http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs13/fesshead.jpg)

and went with:

(http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=220&uid=1805563745)

Excellent pairing!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2011, 07:08:18 AM
So, I brought a bottle from this guy's winery:

(http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs13/fesshead.jpg)

and went with:

(http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=220&uid=1805563745)

Excellent pairing!

I've enjoyed Fess's wines on a number of occasions: merlot from the nineties with Mrs. Rock's roast duck; merlot again with my sister's fabulous venison (she shot herself); a 21st century pinot noir we drank with fresh Alaskan wild salmon grilled by my best friend in Ohio; and this "Mélange," a gift from that same friend when he came to Germany in 2000. I kept that bottle:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/FessParkerMelange.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/FessParkerMelangeLabel.jpg)

Love the coonskin cap logo  8)

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on January 30, 2011, 08:36:15 AM


Love the coonskin cap logo  8)

Sarge

Absolutely key! ;D

We got a bottle for a friend and had this added:

http://shop.fessparker.com/browse.cfm/4,2.html
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2011, 08:49:54 AM
Absolutely key! ;D

We got a bottle for a friend and had this added:

http://shop.fessparker.com/browse.cfm/4,2.html

  ;D :D ;D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on February 02, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Bill - you & Sarge have taken over this thread recently!  ;) ;D

A couple pages back in a discussion of different geographical Pinot Noirs, Erato brought up Beaujolais as a 'less expensive' substitute; of course this rather large area south of the Pinot Noir producing Burgundian appellations uses the Gamay grape for its lighter and fruitier red wines often thought to be for immediate consumption, e.g. 'Beaujolais Nouveau' - however, Beaujolais is much more complex w/ different levels of complexity as shown by the map below - the Village appellations and even more specific producers make wines that are much more complex and actually may age for a few years.

Well, I use to collect these village Beaujolais wines a number of years ago; some of my favorite ones were Morgon, Moulin a Vent, and Fleurie; in Morgon, a wine released by the ubiquitous Georges Duboeuf was Jean Descombes - I use to buy this nearly on a yearly basis and age about a year or so - wonderful stuff!

Today, I bought the 2009 version (label below, right) - plenty of tannin for a little aging and the usual Gamay fruitiness that reminds one of the lighter berries (e.g. raspberries) - price was right - and received a 92 rating in the Wine Spectator - as I've gotten older, lighter reds appeal to be more, so I believe that I will start re-exploring the Village wines of this southern Burgundian area -  ;D


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Carte_vignoble_beaujolais.png/445px-Carte_vignoble_beaujolais.png)  (http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/82/37/GD_Morgon_JeanDescombes_NV_750ml_LBL_0.jpg)
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Post by: The new erato on February 03, 2011, 11:10:10 PM
the www.winedisorder.com site contains a lot of useful Beajolais discussions from guys that are really knowledgeable; let me just say that quality Beajoulais form people like Brun and Lapierre are among the wine worlds best bargains for reds.

Edit: Link fixed; thanks SonicMan.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on February 04, 2011, 07:29:01 AM
the www.winedisorder.com site contains a lot of useful Beajolais discussions from guys that are really knowledgeable; let me just say that quality Beajoulais form people like Brun and Lapierre are among the wine worlds best bargains for reds.

Erato - thanks for that link (added an 'e' above) - I'll take a closer look soon; but we finished off the Beaujolais shown previously last night - even a little more mellow but definitely some tannin that 6-12 months would likely soften - Dave  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 06, 2011, 07:10:36 AM
Thanks, guys, for the disccussion and links about Beaujolais. We used to consume vast quantities in the 90s. I particularly liked the  wines from Saint Amour and Fleurie. With the arrival of the new century I perceived a drop in quality. That, along with the scandals that hit the area, turned me off the wine for quite a few years. I would like to start drinking Beaujolais again. Just need to find a source. I went to Jacques' Wine Depot yesterday but they don't stock cru Beaujolais.

I did buy wine yesterday. Six bottles of Amarone della Valpolicella, and one bottle of a rather expensive Greek Cabernet Sauvignon we found in a Turkish shop where we were buying lamb for a stew Mrs. Rock is going to make tonight.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/P2063018.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/P2063017_crop1.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/P2063018_crop1.jpg)


Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on February 06, 2011, 07:15:01 AM
I went for a bottle of the real thing last night (this being Saturday): Daniel Rion Vosne Romanee Les Suchot (one of the better Premier Crus in Vosne) 2001. Yes, it was heavenly with that typical Vosne Christmas spices that Pinot Noir never aquires anywhere else.   
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 21, 2011, 04:56:13 AM
Bought wine this weekend. The brothers Peter and Fritz May of Weingut Karl May (http://www.weingut-karl-may.de/aktuelles.php) in Osthofen (the village next to ours in the Rheinhessen wine region) are finally capitalizing on their winery's name by offering a red wine blend (80% cabernet and 20% regent) called Blutsbruder (Blood Brother...alluding to the Winnetou books). We also bought the 2009 Spätburgunder (pinot noir) and dry Riesling from grapes harvested from the Osthofener Goldberg and Bechtheimer Geyersberg. Click pics to enlarge

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/wine_karl_may.jpg)
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/wine_karl_may_crop.jpg)


Sarge
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Post by: kaergaard on April 07, 2011, 12:41:14 PM
Busting with pride! Less than half an hour pleasant drive from the house to this winery:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/weblogs/winemakers-journal/2011/apr/06/lake-chelan-winery-scores-big/
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Post by: SonicMan46 on May 13, 2011, 07:33:00 AM
Long Island wine!  Just returned from a trip to Long Island, NY, specifically Montauk to see Susan's mother - had an 'off' day on Monday & a rental car, so Susan & I took an all day trip to the North Fork, where there are now dozens of wineries (last visit probably 20+ yrs ago - maybe 6-8 wineries at that time!) - decided to do the Shelter Island ferries to Greenport (see map below along w/ a larger one of the entire LI); East Hampton to Sag Harbor and then across the island) - the North Fork is much more rustic and somewhat of a 'time capsule' back to yesteryear - a recommended visit for those who may find themselves touring the area -  :D

We visited 4 wineries (Pindar, Bedell, Peconic Bay, & Duck Walk w/ lunch in-between in Mattituck (almost all the way back to Riverhead where the island forks).  The wines are mainly made from Vitis vinifera, i.e. European, grapes w/ some unusual combinations that the French would never do (or not be allowed to do w/ their AOC laws); there are some non-grape fruit wines which Susan seems to enjoy. 

The wines have definitely improved in quality and a number were quite excellent - the island in the early 1970s became somewhat famous for its Merlot and the red samples made from the Bordeaux grapes were often quite good.  At Pindar, we did buy an half bottle of 'late harvest' Riesling ($35) which was just superb - drank it w/ family the next day in Montauk as an afternoon apertif - unfortunately did not buy any wines to take home (liquids on planes issue, of course).

So, to re-emphasize if you are visiting the Long Island area and want a pleasant day trip that combines some scenic beauty, New England-style architecture, and wine drinking (along w/ some wonderful shellfish!) - a STRONG recommendation -  ;D


(http://www.topoftheworldlimo.com/images/map-11-03a.jpg)

(http://www.loving-long-island.com/image-files/map-of-long-island.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on May 14, 2011, 04:46:13 AM
Being a Universal Monster fan, I could not let this one pass:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0mb4tIz7z1qb9gvn.jpg)

http://www.lugosiwines.com/
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 14, 2011, 06:27:14 AM
Being a Universal Monster fan, I could not let this one pass:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0mb4tIz7z1qb9gvn.jpg)  (http://www.carolinaharvestwines.com/Images/halloween.jpg)

http://www.lugosiwines.com/

Bill - LOL!  ;D  The Old North State Winery has its tasting room in downtown Mt. Airy, NC (birthplace of Andy Griffith) - they offer many wines but 2 fun labels appropos to your listing are shown above, i.e. Restless Soul & Bare Bones; the red is a blend of merlot, cabernet sauvignon, and chambourcin, the latter a French-American hybrid grape that is not doing too badly in North Carolina!  Dave  :)
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Post by: Bogey on May 14, 2011, 06:50:26 AM
Ha!  I will have to look into both!  the Bela was not cheap....50 bones (if you will), but would have kicked myself when they ran out.  I need to have a bottle of each of these.  I will look into it.  The nice thing is, I can have them shipped to my local wine store and do not need to be here  to sign.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on June 02, 2011, 05:40:17 PM
These two bottles of wine to add to the Lugosi one I received this year:

ORIN SWIFT 2009 CABERNET SAUVIGNON "PALERMO" NAPA VALLEY

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZ-HYxfTWk1QRXKqkwR0yjc-l8tnXtvofudfuxY1hoeLiC54Zg7Q)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cBdlB_8wi0w/TciJB-oN6tI/AAAAAAAABa0/YwSSm7bjoZ0/s1600/palermo.jpg)

and

The Prisoner 2009 Napa Valley Red Wine

(http://thehouseofglunz.com/images/products/detail/orin4real.JPG)

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7vavYXTzvQNMXrDKgLZJFNUSjzoz3Ha_faYpT4zMDcHOnMl52wQ)

I will continue to look for labels like these. 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 09, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
BOY, over a month w/o any posts to the wine thread!  :o

Well, I've been drinking wine virtually daily but the problem as always w/ our world-wide community is availability of wines in all areas of the planet -  ::)

But lately I've acquired a couple of Australian Shiraz, some of the latest vintages in my local stores (pics shown below may not match the years) - I've bought many of these in more previous vintages - pricing is excellent and the wines are super dark & extracted - often delicious on release w/ a 'fruit bomb' experience on the palate, but would likely age for a number of years - worth a look if available in your area -  ;D

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_G0tDcvxNNNM/TBUGmSD3o1I/AAAAAAAABBU/Ug5LI5iCejs/s1600/Thorn+Clarke+Shotfire+Shiraz.jpg)  (http://www.mcnees.org/winesite/labels/labels_australia/lbl_AU_Shingleback_D_Block_shiraz_02_remc.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on July 09, 2011, 03:57:26 PM
BOY, over a month w/o any posts to the wine thread!  :o

Well, I've been drinking wine virtually daily but the problem as always w/ our world-wide community is availability of wines in all areas of the planet -  ::)

But lately I've acquired a couple of Australian Shiraz, some of the latest vintages in my local stores (pics shown below may not match the years) - I've bought many of these in more previous vintages - pricing is excellent and the wines are super dark & extracted - often delicious on release w/ a 'fruit bomb' experience on the palate, but would likely age for a number of years - worth a look if available in your area -  ;D

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_G0tDcvxNNNM/TBUGmSD3o1I/AAAAAAAABBU/Ug5LI5iCejs/s1600/Thorn+Clarke+Shotfire+Shiraz.jpg)  (http://www.mcnees.org/winesite/labels/labels_australia/lbl_AU_Shingleback_D_Block_shiraz_02_remc.jpg)

Have had Shiraz a number of times this year....still not a fan.  A lot of merchants say it is good with BBQ.  I have started to sway to a new way of pairing wines.  That is, do not pair wines with food, but pair them wit who will be drinking it.   ;D 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 10, 2011, 04:39:25 AM
Have had Shiraz a number of times this year....still not a fan.  A lot of merchants say it is good with BBQ.  I have started to sway to a new way of pairing wines.  That is, do not pair wines with food, but pair them wit who will be drinking it.   ;D

Hi Bill - well, many of the Aussie Shiraz that ships to North Carolina tend to be the less expensive bulk stuff (not the limited production ones the receive great ratings in mags like the Wine Spectator) - the 2 that I pictured are kind of in the 'middle' of that price arrange (about $18 each here) - these tend to be pretty extracted and powerful - a few years of age softens them.  Like Zinfandel, the wines can be quite high in alcohol, so a little 'hot' on the finish - BUT, both varietals make such varied wines that one has to just give a lot a try - if you're a red wine drinker, then there is a Shiraz out their for you to enjoy (try the inexpensive Rosemount in a decent year - cheap & made in bulk but often an excellent value) - Dave :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 24, 2011, 12:23:17 PM
Well, over a month since the last post and it was mine!   :o

On driving back from our recent mountain trip, we stopped at RayLen Vineyards (http://www.raylenvineyards.com/), just 15-20 mins from home off I-40 - ended up buying a mixed case w/ a few bottles of their current sparkling wine (made w/ the Champagne method).

Well, I'm sipping on probably the best RED wine that I've sampled from North Carolina - the 2007 Eagle's Select (shown below) - this is a Bordeaux blend w/ a lot of French oak used - not cheap for a local beverage (mid-$20) - a GREAT wine, well no - I'd probably rate it in the high 80s which for the NC reds that I've drunk over the years is a 'relative' excellent rating for me - improvement?  Surely - ended up joining their case club (costs nothing but 15% off on case purchases and the tastings at the winery are free).  Dave  :)

(http://www.cellartracker.com/labels/65492.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on August 24, 2011, 12:33:51 PM
Have had Shiraz a number of times this year....still not a fan.  A lot of merchants say it is good with BBQ.  I have started to sway to a new way of pairing wines.  That is, do not pair wines with food, but pair them wit who will be drinking it.   ;D
Oh - I missed this comment! I love Shiraz, but BBQ is not necessaily a good combo, especially if there isn't much sauce and it is on the mild side (depends on spiciness for me). And just grilling - well I'd go for something lighter.  Shiraz goes well, in my experience, will either a spicier/full tasting dish OR a richer meat. I like to pair it with Indian. I like it with rich/heavy sauces. With simple dishes (meaning light in taste and such), I could see it being possibly overpowering.

A pretty good one for the money, and fairly drinkable out of the bottle has been Peter Lehmann Barossa Shiraz.Looks like this (and consistent as well, so you can buy earlier years with confidence):
(http://www.hesscollection.com/trade/pl_shiraz/images/08_PLW_SZ_Bttl.jpg)

But if you are not a fan, I would not lose any sleep, after all, there so many other good bottles of wine to be tried!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 08:18:03 AM
I wouldn't wait too long on those 91-es.

I probably did wait too long. In a few hours we'll know. I'm braising a leg of lamb. We're planning to drink the '91 Lafite-Rothschild with it. We're debating whether to bring up an alternate from the cellar now (giving it time to warm up) just in case the Lafite is undrinkable.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 03, 2011, 08:47:34 AM
I probably did wait too long. In a few hours we'll know. I'm braising a leg of lamb. We're planning to drink the '91 Lafite-Rothschild with it. We're debating whether to bring up an alternate from the cellar now (giving it time to warm up) just in case the Lafite is undrinkable.

Sarge
Awesome! We'll be crossing our fingers for you! Should be an outstanding wine! I hope you aren't disappointed or surprised (either by oxidation or taste)...
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on December 03, 2011, 08:49:43 AM
If there's any 91 Medoc to have stood the ravages of time, it will be Lafite. And the nose will be great I guess, however light the style may turn out to be.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 03, 2011, 09:06:11 AM
Anyone else grab a bottle of this:


(http://ballymote.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/georgesdubouf-2011.jpg?w=384&h=540)

Story here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=851967
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 09:09:24 AM
Awesome! We'll be crossing our fingers for you! Should be an outstanding wine! I hope you aren't disappointed or surprised (either by oxidation or taste)...

If there's any 91 Medoc to have stood the ravages of time, it will be Lafite. And the nose will be great I guess, however light the style may turn out to be.

Thanks, guys. I've been doing some online research. A bottle is currently retailing for between 400 and a 1000 Euro  :o  That gives me some hope the wine is at least drinkable. But I did bring up another bottle as a backup: my next to last 1990 Château Ducru-Beaucaillou (a St. Julien second growth).

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 03, 2011, 09:11:57 AM
Reminds me that i should turn my bottles, Sarge.  Thanks!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on December 03, 2011, 09:18:23 AM
I had a 1943 (!) Borgogno Barolo last Sunday - and it was great  (though obviously absolutely mature). So hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 09:51:58 AM
I had a 1943 (!) Borgogno Barolo last Sunday - and it was great  (though obviously absolutely mature). So hope springs eternal.

I'm envious! I've never had a mature "old style" Barolo...I mean the kind of Barolo you actually couldn't drink for 20 years. Every modern Barolo I've had has been too enjoyable young. Pleasant but nothing like the tough old Barolos I've read about.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 10:01:27 AM
Anyone else grab a bottle of this:

We haven't had Beaujolais nouveau in many, many years. If it's true they are attempting to give us a better product now, I may buy a bottle or two.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 10:19:05 AM
The lamb should be done in about twenty minutes. I opened the Lafite. The nose: minerals, dust, lead pencil. The first taste: very light body and slightly medicinal; the second sip mint and green pepper detected. Still a bit tannic but soft. Short finish. So, not great but not a disaster either. Debating now whether to decant or not. Will air open it up or destroy it?

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 03, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
The lamb should be done in about twenty minutes. I opened the Lafite. The nose: minerals, dust, lead pencil. The first taste: very light body and slightly medicinal; the second sip mint and green pepper detected. Still a bt tannic but soft. Short finish. So, not great but not a disaster either. Debating now whether to decant or not. Will air open it up or destroy it?

Sarge

Can we get a pic, Sarge?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 01:30:23 PM
Can we get a pic, Sarge?

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/PC030183_crop.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/jan2011/PC030183_label.jpg)

I didn't decant it but it did get better within 30 minutes of opening the bottle. The last half was really tasty. The wine even gained weight  ;D  It went well with the lamb.

Sarge 
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 03, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
Just lucky we are not pirates of old, Sarge.....thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 03, 2011, 01:59:09 PM
The lamb should be done in about twenty minutes. I opened the Lafite. The nose: minerals, dust, lead pencil. The first taste: very light body and slightly medicinal; the second sip mint and green pepper detected. Still a bit tannic but soft. Short finish. So, not great but not a disaster either. Debating now whether to decant or not. Will air open it up or destroy it?

Sarge
Sorry I did not see this earlier. Usually, it (decanting) can help an old wine. But you will want to make sure not to splash it around like you can a younger wine.

The decanting will help more for older wines as it will also allow you to get rid of much of the sediment. Some people, when they have chosen a wine, will allow it to stand upright for a while so that the sediment will collect at the bottom (while it is also reaching room temperature). If there is a lot of sediment or you cannot see it, you can use a candle or other light so see through the bottle to know where the sediment is (so you know when to stop).

But with an older wine like yours, it can be a riskier thing, mostly because the wine's taste will 'evaporate' away faster than you can drink it. Your description, however, implies it held up well, so probably would have been safe to decant. It can be a bit of an art with the older wines though, and there is disagreement even within the 'wine community' on what to do.

PS: Glad it went well in the end!!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 02:22:34 PM
Usually, it (decanting) can help an old wine....But with an older wine like yours, it can be a riskier thing, mostly because the wine's taste will 'evaporate' away faster than you can drink it.

Yes, I am aware of that. Hence my dilemma: to decant or not to decant. I poured a glass (the picture) and let it stand, taking a sip every few minutes to guage it's progress while the lamb finished cooking. The wine improved rapidly in the glass...too quickly perhaps--which is why I decided to let it remain in bottle. There was enough air to open it up but not enough to send it to wine heaven.

Quote
Some people, when they have chosen a wine, will allow it to stand upright for a while so that the sediment will collect at the bottom (while it is also reaching room temperature).

That's what I did. Brought it up from the cellar three hours before dinner. The sediment settled and the wine warmed up. I opened it a half hour before we began eating. I poured the last glass very carefully. The sediment stayed in the bottle. My last sip was crud free  ;D

The wine cost the equivalent of $35 when I bought it in 1994 (French Franc 170). Definitely worth it.

Sarge

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 03, 2011, 02:37:31 PM
Yes, I am aware of that. Hence my dilemma: to decant or not to decant. I poured a glass (the picture) and let it stand, taking a sip every few minutes to guage it's progress while the lamb finished cooking. The wine improved rapidly in the glass...too quickly perhaps--which is why I decided to let it remain in bottle. There was enough air to open it up but not enough to send it to wine heaven.

That's what I did. Brought it up from the cellar three hours before dinner. The sediment settled and the wine warmed up. I opened it a half hour before we began eating. I poured the last glass very carefully. The sediment stayed in the bottle. My last sip was crud free  ;D

The wine cost the equivalent of $35 when I bought it in 1994 (French Franc 170). Definitely worth it.

Sarge


Always good to have crud free wine!! :) With a Bordeaux, I might have taken the risk. But the Lafite being more gentle/elegant, I think I would have left it too. Glad it worked out!!! It's so much fun to drink those types of bottles (especially when purchased for such reasonable sums)!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 03, 2011, 02:46:14 PM
It's so much fun to drink those types of bottles (especially when purchased for such reasonable sums)!

Man, those were the days (the '90 Lafite was only 50 bucks!). Unfortunately we had little disposable income then (the 90s) and couldn't acquire nearly as much as we wanted to. By the time we were debt free Bordeaux prices had skyrocketed. Such a shame. Oh well...drinking what we have left, slowly, a bottle every few months, just makes it that much more special.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 09, 2011, 01:30:32 PM
We had a surprisingly good white with dinner tonight (surprising because I don't usually get excited about whites from southern Europe). On the strength of this, and a Cab/Merlot blend from the same winemaker we had recently, I'd call Nico Lazaridi one of the  best wineries in Greece. It was his 2008 Chardonnay. Like drinking liquid apricots. We ate pork tenderloin in a mild horseradish/cream cheese sauce.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/PC090200_crop_1.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/PC090200_label_1.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 16, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
Just grabbed a bottle of this from the local shop:

(http://images.winecommune.com/lotImage/602233941.jpg)

Had a sample of this '85 and enjoyed....probably passed its prime.  Hard to say with a grand reserve.  Anyways, $30 to drink something made a year after I graduated from high school was too cool to pass up.  Now that '43 posted earlier....wow!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 17, 2011, 07:09:13 AM
Just grabbed a bottle of this from the local shop:

(http://images.winecommune.com/lotImage/602233941.jpg) (http://www.thevintageportsite.com/static/6195_Warre-Vintage-1977.jpg)

Had a sample of this '85 and enjoyed....probably passed its prime.  Hard to say with a grand reserve.  Anyways, $30 to drink something made a year after I graduated from high school was too cool to pass up.  Now that '43 posted earlier....wow!

Hi Bill - still drinking plenty of wine but not posting much here - need to catch up! :)

But your story reminded me of having wines from years w/ a personal memory - bought a half case of the Warre's Port 1977 (pic added above) in the early 1980s (almost 30 yrs in my basement!); have just one bottle left - but that was the year I joined the faculty at Wake Forest and now having retired in June after 34 yrs, that bottle does have a special meaning - probably will wait until my son returns to visit and decant it for us (he was 4 y/o at the time of its production) - Dave  :D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 17, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
Just need to watch that drinking time frame, Dave.  Wait too long and it becomes a conversation piece and no more. :D  The Spanish Riojas that I am starting to enjoy more and more are tagged frequently with a "barnyard" aroma.  Interestng, but fairly accurate. ;D   
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 19, 2011, 10:13:12 AM
Just need to watch that drinking time frame, Dave.  Wait too long and it becomes a conversation piece and no more. :D  The Spanish Riojas that I am starting to enjoy more and more are tagged frequently with a "barnyard" aroma.  Interestng, but fairly accurate. ;D   

Hi Bill - well that term barnyard smell has been around for a long time and has always been a debated and controversial issue for wine tasters, i.e. is the smell/aroma a positive or a negative attribute?  And a corollary is if present 'how much' is enough; the latter probably up to the person drinking the wine and their feelings toward that particular aroma?

The issue traces back to a common yeast called Brettanomyces or 'Brett' for short - whether this is a contaminant to be avoided in the wine cellar or a possibly positive component in a wine is the center of the debate; basically the term barnyard is kind of a euphemism for basically the smell of manure (or S&%T!) - there are other terms in this category, such as 'saddle sweat'.  For me a little 'brett' goes a LONG way and I like the aroma(s) (BUT hey I love those smelly blue cheeses a LOT!).

In the past, my wine cellar was much larger (700+ bottles) and I had a nice collection of red Burgundies and Rhones (both northern and southern areas) - and I must say that the 'brett' aroma in those aged bottles was quite pronounced; in more recent years I've been getting into more lighter & younger reds (just has become my preference) - for a little more information on 'brett' - Check HERE (http://www.wineloverspage.com/questionary2/brett_whats_that_barnyard_smel.php) - Dave :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 19, 2011, 10:16:26 AM
I tell you, that '85 introduced me to it....very clearly.  As for the blue cheese, we are truly brothers. :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 19, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
Ah, the bleu cheese fraternity!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 19, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
I don't mind a little barnyard in my reds. I think it was Parker who wondered about the barnyard element in one of his favorite boutique Pomerols (Le Pin, I think) which was run for decades by two French spinsters who actually made their wine the old fashioned way, in an open vat, inside a barn full of animals. He wondered just how much of the barnyard actually went into the wine  ;D

Other smells/tastes can have negative or positive connotations depending on who's drinking it. Rotten red meat and asparagus for example. I recall an 83 grand cru Burgundy, a Corton from Bouchard père et fils, that had an aroma like a steak that'd turned green  ;D  I loved it. Mrs. Rock took one sip and was done with it. But she loves wine that reeks (to me) of asparagus. We're Jack Spratt and wife.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 19, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
Ah, the bleu cheese fraternity!

So, all that is left to do is each cut a slice, press them together and then enjoy with a cracker. ;D
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 19, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
So, all that is left to do is each cut a slice, press them together and then enjoy with a cracker. ;D

Bleu cheese has divided a mother from her daughter ; )  Mom has taken a liking to it, but we can enjoy it together only when the missus is out of the house . . . she cannot abide it . . . .
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 19, 2011, 02:28:15 PM
Bleu cheese has divided a mother from her daughter ; )  Mom has taken a liking to it, but we can enjoy it together only when the missus is out of the house . . . she cannot abide it . . . .

Sorry I have to be firm here, Karl, but no Raccoon Lodge membership for your mother-in-law. :)

(http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/fraternities/raccoons.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 19, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
Well, I guess that my comments would stimulate some interest -  ;D 8)

But are us humans any different from other animals?  And, do some 'wine aromas' stimulate us as much?   ;) :D

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LaiPD68ZwMA/RrcQgfpDeII/AAAAAAAAAjY/PYzQdpUJLj4/s400/dog+smelling+butt.bmp)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 06, 2012, 01:17:40 PM
I've been restocking the cellar. Lots of Champagne and a case each of these reds:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/PC170208_800.jpg)


From the Chilean Errazuriz estate the 2008 Max Reserva Carmenère (a spicy, peppery varietal that exists, as far as I know, only in Chile) €13.95

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/_Max.jpg)


2006 Chateau German, a Pomerol style blend from the Cotes de Castillon €6.60

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/_german.jpg)


From Argentina, Dieter Meier's 2010 Ojo de Agua Malbec €9.50

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/_Ojo.jpg)


Chateau Nico Lazaridi 2005 Regional Drama Red, a blend of Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot €12.95

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/_Nico.jpg)


And the 2007 Columbia Crest Syrah.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/_columbia.jpg)

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 07, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
At the supermarket today (the German equivalent of a Walmart superstore) I found an interesting looking dry Riesling from the Winzerverein Deidesheim, one of Germany's best wine cooperatives. (A co-op is a group of vintners with small parcels of vineyards who band together to jointly produce and offer their wine under one label.) The wine is the 2010 Deidesheimer Paradiesgarten Riesling Spätlese trocken (dry).

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/P1070229_crop_500.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/P1070229_label.jpg)


It won a Golden prize from the state. 2010 was a tough year, with small yields and excessive acidity. Proving the contention that Deidesheim vineyards excel in poor and mediocre years, this really is an excellent wine. But it needed to breathe. It was, at first, disappointing with little taste and almost no bouquet. It's one of those rare whites that, like a red wine, needs air and time to reveal itself. By the time the bottle was half empty it was exhibiting delicious notes of lime, gooseberry, paraffin wax and stone, the texture utterly creamy on the tongue. It has a golden color not usually seen in a wine so young. Not overly acidic, it was well balanced for the vintage. At €4.99, a fabulous bargain, and the best 2010 Riesling I've had so far.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2012, 05:04:59 AM
Tesch is an old winery in the Nahe (a wine region between the Mosel and the Rheingau both geographically and stylistically). I recall reading about Tesch 20 years ago but the founder's stern countenance on the label turned me off. I never tried the wines. A few weeks ago I read a blog entry in The Wine Rambler about the young son who's now in charge; who, against the wishes of his father, modernized the way the wine is made and marketed (the strategy aimed at the under-30 crowd). He vinifies all his wine dry and 90% is Riesling. He's a member of the VDP whose members must conform to strict quality control rules. The wine is labeled like Grand Cru burgundy with only the vineyard name on the front. According to the article, he's been wildly successful. (He's the second vintner profiled in the article):

http://www.winerambler.net/blog/death-dreams-destiny-place-family-obsession-rock-n-roll-german-winemaking

I decided to order a Probierpaket. It arrived this afternoon: six bottles of 2010 Riesling, one from each of their vineyards plus the black label called Riesling Unplugged.

Along with wine they included a CD called Riesling People. It's part history, part wine review, and part music, including a song by my favorite German punk band, Die Toten Hosen (The Dead Pants ;D ) I've uploaded another of the songs here (you can download it or listen at the website):

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/A2QoInHi/RieslingIsCool.html

Even though it's mostly in German, all wine lovers should hear it. The relevant words are sung in English. For those, like me, who think Riesling in the greatest white varietal in the world (because it is  8) ) the song is a must hear. It's not actually called "Riesling is Cool" but if I gave you the true title, it would spoil the fun  ;D

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Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 13, 2012, 05:25:02 AM
Even though it's mostly in German, all wine lovers should hear it. The relevant words are sung in English. For those, like me, who think Riesling in the greatest white varietal in the world (because it is  8) ) the song is a must hear. It's not actually called "Riesling is Cool" but if I gave you the true title, it would spoil the fun  ;D
We love Riesling in our house. We were recently in Alsace and had a wonderful time drinking the wines. The Pinot Gris was a particular standout as I had never had this before. We like the German wines too, though only the major brands get to us here (Loosen and the like). I'd say that roughly 70-80% of all the white wines we drink are Riesling.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2012, 05:50:59 AM
The Pinot Gris was a particular standout...

Pinot Gris is my favorite Alsatian varietal. It's been a love affair for over forty years. My first first wife studied at the university in Strasbourg and brought back her love for all things Alsatian, including the wine. (In Germany the grape is called Grauburgunder.)

We like the German wines too, though only the major brands get to us here (Loosen and the like). I'd say that roughly 70-80% of all the white wines we drink are Riesling.

Excellent  8)  Have you found any trocken (dry) Rieslings in your area? When I visit Ohio (the Akron area), they are impossible to find. A few halbtrocken but probably 90% are sweet. Although Mosels (like Loosen) needn't be dry. Some would even say they shouldn't be--that they become unbalanced.

It's a pity the world remains essentially ignorant about the quality of German dry Riesling. On the other hand, if the world ever discovers it, prices would skyrocket. Maybe it's better (for me) that it remains a closely guarded secret  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 13, 2012, 06:37:17 AM
Pinot Gris is my favorite Alsatian varietal. It's been a love affair for over forty years. My first first wife studied at the university in Strasbourg and brought back her love for all things Alsatian, including the wine. (In Germany the grape is called Grauburgunder.)
Well, we are now hooked. It's good to know the German name. I will write that one down. We were headed to Geneva to visit with friends after our Alsace sojourn, and I picked up a couple of bottles as a present for them. In the store (in Colmar), they offered us a few to try before we bought. It was a real learning experience (and good fun)! More places should offer tastings like that (though maybe it is common in that area - I don't know).

Excellent  8)  Have you found any trocken (dry) Rieslings in your area? When I visit Ohio (the Akron area), they are impossible to find. A few halbtrocken but probably 90% are sweet. Although Mosels (like Loosen) needn't be dry. Some would even say they shouldn't be--that they become unbalanced.

It's a pity the world remains essentially ignorant about the quality of German dry Riesling. On the other hand, if the world ever discovers it, prices would skyrocket. Maybe it's better (for me) that it remains a closely guarded secret  ;D

Sarge
The ones where I am are mostly sweeter (which we like), such as Joh. Jos. Prum or Loosen. I'm happy to get the simple Dr. L, which is a solid wine for a good price. But probably I just need to widen my search to other stores, though they are usually more costly.

I think that Chardonnay has had such a marketing job done for it - it will take a long time to overcome it. But I do what I can - I vote with my checkbook! :)  I think one problem for some German labels is that foreigners don't always know how to read it. I know it isn't that hard and there is a logical method behind it, but some are intimidated. And some of the words can get quite long too (imagine seeing 'Trockenbeerenauslese' for the first time on a label in a cursive font). Of course the associations with some cheap, sweet wines from years ago is still out there, but I actually think that is behind us for the most part.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2012, 06:54:47 AM
I think one problem for some German labels is that foreigners don't always know how to read it. I know it isn't that hard and there is a logical method behind it, but some are intimidated. And some of the words can get quite long too (imagine seeing 'Trockenbeerenauslese' for the first time on a label in a cursive font).

Hence a winery like Tesch simplifying his label, reducing it to vineyard and varietal; simplifying his offerings (all dry). Of course I prefer the old style: more choice and the label told you exactly what was in the bottle: vintage, region, village, vineyard, level of ripeness at harvest, amount of residual sugar (dry, medium-dry, sweet, really sweet, diabetic-coma-inducing sweet  ;D )

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 13, 2012, 07:27:28 AM
Hi Sarge & Neal - must 'chime in' on the white grapes from Alsace & Germany.  I use to be mainly a Chardonnay & Sauvignon Blanc enthusiast for my white wines; still buy the latter, especially from New Zealand (just love the biting appley acidity of those wines), but I've migrated in recent years AWAY from Chardonnay.

Pinot Gris has also become one of my favorite whites - in North Carolina, the ones from Alsace & Germany are just in short supply (and samplings are not a possibility despite the confusion w/ labels for many unaccustomed to buying wines from these areas) - but I now routinely pick up an Alsatian Pinot Gris or Riesling.  One of my favorite American Pinot Gris is from King Estate in Oregon, which makes some excellent ones - the King Estate invariably receives ratings in the high 80s into the low 90s and is fairly priced.  Pinot Gris/Grigio is also a popular grape in the emerging wine industry in my state; Raffaldini is a NC winery about an hour from my home that concentrates on Italian & Mediterranean grapes - their Pinot Grigio seems to improve each year.  So an excellent option to Chardonnay (popular saying here is 'ABC', i.e. 'Anything BUT Chardonnay' or '...Cabernet' - :))

Riesling is also a favorite white for me but one that again is not readily available and usually of the sweeter types if imported from Germany - I prefer the dry ones and invariably just the sweeter less expensive producers seem to ship to my locale, unfortunately.  But I will pick up an occasional Alsatian or German Riesling and enjoy their often steely mineral flavors; just a much different experience from the ones I buy from the USA (mainly Washington State for me; Ch. Ste. Michelle is making some excellent Riesling in a variety of styles - their Dr. Loosen Eroica is superb!).

The Australians make some great Riesling but much of the best seems to stay in that country - I've had just a handful, but over the years of reading about wines and watching plenty of videos on wine, often the so-called 'wine gurus' (the likes of Hugh Johnson & Jancis Robinson) when asked about their TOP white grape will often pick the Riesling - thus, a misunderstood grape and one that just does not receive the respect it certainly deserves - may go out today and pick me up some Rieslings!   ;D   Dave


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Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 27, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
How did this thread drop to page 7.... ;D

My friend just presented me with this beauty for my birthday.  Good until 2023:

(http://www.cellartracker.com/labels/201768.jpg)

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1150052

I have another Caymus bottle from him, a 2007.  Saving that as well.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 27, 2012, 06:15:47 PM
Hey Bill - you have some special wines there! Probably in the 1980s I visited Caymus in Napa Vly and the 'tasting hosts' were none other that Charlie Wagner & his young son then, Chuck - I always had some Caymus Cabernet aging in my cellar, but then the prices started to escalate so not an option for me anymore.

Always nice to have a half case of those special wines, then one can taste periodically so that the wine does not plateau and then go 'downhill' - read those tasting notes closely; I tended to drink my better CA cabs before their 10th year; yes some will last longer but you might exchange a 'loss of fruit' for a bottle bouquet that will please (or possibly not?) - since you have just a single bottle from each of those years, my feeling would likely be to consume them earlier than later but really up to you!  Dave :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 27, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
'ning Dave.  Yup, no generous friend, no Caymus in my basement. ;D  I just had some tacos and this I paired:

(http://www.wallywine.com/images/PRODUCT/large/114432.jpg)

I do not seek out South African wines, but this one is yummy, GREAT finish (which is my most critical point to liking a wine) and only set you back about 20 bones.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on March 27, 2012, 10:17:19 PM
I've always liked the wordplay on Cotes du Rhone in that series of wines.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 28, 2012, 09:46:37 AM
How did this thread drop to page 7.... ;D

Too busy drinking the wine to write about it I guess! :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on March 28, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Too busy drinking the wine to write about it I guess! :)

Huzzah!
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 28, 2012, 11:01:48 AM
The right priority.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on May 19, 2012, 05:31:13 AM
A NEW wine experience for me! :)

Susan & I just returned from a short trip to Chincoteage Island, upper eastern shore of VA (home of the wild horses and the yearly July swim from Assateague Island) - also oyster, clam, & blue crab heaven, basically our subsistence food (along w/ some fish) for 3 days!  :D

Well after crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnels (about 20 miles) onto the eastern shore we stopped for lunch in Cape Charles at the Aqua Restaurant - beautiful views of the bay (see pics below of Susan gazing across the bay and the far shoreline where our clams were harvested!) - basically shared a salad & a dozen each of oysters & clams on the half shell!

I had a glass of an excellent wine that was just right w/ the shellfish and made up the road:

Church Creek Chardonnay fermented and kept in just stainless steel, so no oak - fresh & fruity w/ a nice acidity - made at Chatman Vineyards (http://Chatman Vineyards) - we visited the winery and I brought home 4 bottles (2 whites & 2 reds) - just 3 wineries on the eastern VA shore but likely to increase - reminded me of the tip of Long Island & the North Folk, a much longer established wine region, and one that we've been visiting since the 1980s!


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Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: fridden on May 19, 2012, 09:21:13 AM
Me and my friend are part of a circle of friends who meets 4 times a year and take turns in arranging these tastings.
Last sunday it was our turn to arrange the tasting.
Lucky for me my friend has a huge cellar so all the wines this time came from his!  :P

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From left to right:
1985 Bollinger RD
2003 Hermitage Blanc, Domaine Etienne Guigal
1997 Clos Windsbuhl Pinot Gris Zind Humbrecht
1996 Brand Riesling Zind Humbrecht

1997 Brunello di Montalcino, Fattoria Poggio Antico
1994 Ornellaia, Tenuta dell'Ornellaia, Bolgheri
1988 Amarone della Valpolicella
1982 Barolo Valletta, Marchesi di Barolo

2002 Keyneton Estate Euphonium, Henscke Wines
1998 McCrae Wood, Jim Barry Wines
1996 Armagh Jim Barry
1988 Command Shiraz, Elderton Wines

We welcomed the guests with some champagne, and then had a tasting diveded in 3 flights

Among the whites the Zind-Humbrecht are never a disappointment, and not this time either. Clos Windsbuhl Pinot Gris 1997 was among the best of the evening and I did enjoy the white hermitage a lot as well.

The italians began to show their ages in some cases but still very interesting and with lot of flavours. I particularly enjoyed the Amarone, and Ornellaia.

Finally, the aussie. The Command Shiraz from Elderton were the winner, but the Henschke and Jim Barry wines tasted gooood!  :P

Overall it was a great tasting!   ;D

/fridden
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 24, 2012, 07:18:23 AM
From left to right:
1985 Bollinger RD
2003 Hermitage Blanc, Domaine Etienne Guigal
1997 Clos Windsbuhl Pinot Gris Zind Humbrecht
1996 Brand Riesling Zind Humbrecht

1997 Brunello di Montalcino, Fattoria Poggio Antico
1994 Ornellaia, Tenuta dell'Ornellaia, Bolgheri
1988 Amarone della Valpolicella
1982 Barolo Valletta, Marchesi di Barolo

2002 Keyneton Estate Euphonium, Henscke Wines
1998 McCrae Wood, Jim Barry Wines
1996 Armagh Jim Barry
1988 Command Shiraz, Elderton Wines


Wow, that was some tasting. Zind Humbrecht! Ornellaia! Guigal! Guigal is one of my favorite Rhone estates (even his inexpensive Côtes du Rhône is special). And it all began with Bolly, my favorite Champagne! Wish I'd been there.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 24, 2012, 07:25:56 AM
Purchased wine yesterday; six bottles each: a cabernet franc from the Loire; a cabernet franc rosé from the same producer; The Ned, a New Zealand pinot noir; and dry Rheingau Riesling from the great Weingut Künstler based in the home of hoch, Hochheim  8)

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Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 24, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
Mrs. Rock made a great braised leg of lamb for dinner, and I raided the wine cellar and brought up one of my dwindling bottles of cru classé Bordeaux, a third-growth Margaux, Chateau Palmer 1989, rated 95 by Parker in the third edition of his Bordeaux guide.

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Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on June 24, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
Mrs. Rock made a great braised leg of lamb for dinner, and I raided the wine cellar and brought up one of my dwindling bottles of cru classé Bordeaux, a third-growth Margaux, Chateau Palmer 1989, rated 95 by Parker in the third edition of his Bordeaux guide.

Left click to enlarge.

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Sarge
Palmer 89 is flat out wonderful whatever points the Monkton lawyer assigns, and I was lucky enough to have the 90 a couple of months ago courtesy of a friend - marvellous too. On a related note I also had the Z-H Brand 89 the same evening, a real stunner. But the wine of that particular night still was the Jaboulet Hermitage Chapelle 89; the kind of stuff vinous dreams are made of.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 24, 2012, 12:09:04 PM
But the wine of that particular night still was the Jaboulet Hermitage Chapelle 89; the kind of stuff vinous dreams are made of.

I can only imagine. I've not had Jaboulet's Hermitage (I have had Guigal's). But I did have an interesting dinner, once, that featured one of his wines. Must have been in the fall of 2004. I was visited my hometown in Ohio. My oldest friend and his wife cooked dinner (grilled filet mignon). I brought two bottles of wine: both were 1999 Châteauneuf-du-Papes. One Jaboulet, one Guigal (the wine that was Wine Spectator's Wine of the Year in 2002). The Guigal was more friendly, more immediately appealing. The Jaboulet seemed built to last and I prefered it with dinner.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on July 29, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Purchased wine yesterday; six bottles each: a cabernet franc from the Loire; a cabernet franc rosé from the same producer; The Ned, a New Zealand pinot noir; and dry Rheingau Riesling from the great Weingut Künstler based in the home of hoch, Hochheim  8)

Left click to enlarge.

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Sarge

Reds from the Loire Valley are among my recent discoveries. Saumur-Champigny, Anjou Villages: wonderfully fresh and balanced. Like a countryside sunrise with dew still covering the verdant fields.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 22, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
WELL, how much would you pay for wine in a restaurant?  :o

Susan & I just returned from a 3-night trip to the southern Virginia mountains (just 90 min drive from home) - a first stay at a 12,000 acre resort called Primland - pic of the Lodge below where we resided (cabins & home rentals also available); a gorgeous 18-hole mountain golf course and a fabulous restaurant (will post in the eating thread).

This place seems to attract a rather wealthy clientele (does not include us!) - the first night in the 'fancy' restaurant, I noticed a bottle of Dom Perignon ordered by an adjacent table (could not see the vintage); then, another bottle of a red wine which looked like Ch. Petrus to me - told Susan that the Petrus was likely @ least $1K - well, an hour or so after dinner we saw the waiter who had served the wines mentioned (and also us), so I casually asked him if that red wine was Ch. Petrus, he said yes - year?  2004 (well not ready) - how much? $1600 - WOW!  How about the Dom Perignon?  $600!  Thus, a $2200 wine bill for the night - my 2 glasses of Pinot Noir & Susan's single coctail, about $30 total - OH, nice to be really RICH, I guess?  Dave :)


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Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on August 22, 2012, 10:11:28 PM
The Dom Perignon sounded expensive as new releases ought to be below 200 USD from retaliers. OTOH the Petrus seemed cheap (though from a less than stellar vintage) as new releases are closer to 1000 USD ex cellars..... :-).

Conspicuous consumption indeed. Or as we call it; having such a large income that there is a problem making the costs sufficient.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on September 08, 2012, 02:28:54 PM
Re conspicuous consumption - had a wonderful dinner tonight with the usual assortment of winous friends. Wonderful wines were everywhere, after an easys start woth a couple of 96 champagnes, Molitor Rieslign01 and Loosen 02, as well as a Brand 07 (Alsace); the heayhitters struck:

Dauvissat Chablis Preuses 2000
Chablisienne Chablis Les Clos 1988 from magnum
Trimbach Gewurstraminer Vendange Tardive 1976 (flat out outstanding)
Huet Cuvee Constance 1989
Huet Clos des Bourg Moulleux 1959

and the reds:

Chateau Margaux 1981
Chateau Mouton Rotschild 1979
Chateau Meyney 1975
Chateau L'Arroze 1986
Cote-Rotie 1998, Jamet
Volnay Tailepieds 1995, d'Angerville

and food to match from one of my most food savvy friends.

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 13, 2012, 03:11:04 AM
Weingut Pfeffingen released their 2011 Grosses Gewächs (grand cru) this month. We picked up our pre-order yesterday: the Herrenberg Riesling GG and Herrenberg Weissburgunder GG along with the Scheurebe "SP" trocken and the regular Scheurebe trocken. Six bottles each.

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Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 20, 2012, 03:38:11 AM
More German Riesling purchases from the new vintage and VDP vintners. From the Nahe, Dr. Crusius Riesling Rhyolith trocken (dry) (€10.55). From the Rheingau, Künstler Rüdesheimer Bischofsberg trocken Alte Reben (old vines) (€19.90). Six bottles each.

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Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 20, 2012, 04:10:05 AM
More German Riesling purchases from the new vintage and VDP vintners. From the Nahe, Dr. Crusius Riesling Rhyolith trocken (dry) (€10.55). From the Rheingau, Künstler Rüdesheimer Bischofsberg trocken Alte Reben (old vines) (€19.90). Six bottles each.

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Sarge
I love it when you post these - we love the German Rieslings! On the other hand, I want to try it too! And I can't (very little selection where I am currently). Boo hoo.

Drink one for me! :)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 20, 2012, 09:17:55 AM
Sarge - I'm in the same situation as Neal, i.e. love Riesling but just not much availability in Piedmont North Carolina, but I do try a few from Germany & Alsace on occasion.

But for those in North America, I've been buying more Washington State Merlot - just find better value and softer wines (vs. the California offerings); a good example is the one shown below sourced from a large AVA called Horse Heaven Hills or H3 as shown on the label; Columbia Crest has a lot of different grape offerings and Ch. Ste. Michelle also (love the latter's H3 Sauvignon Blanc) - just picked up 3 bottles of the Merlot @ Costco for $12 a bottle (an 89 rating in a recent issue of the Wine Spectator).  Dave

(https://wineforidiots.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/horse-heaven-hills-ava.jpg)  (https://wineforidiots.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/columbia-crest-h3-merlot-horse-heaven-hills-usa-10262843.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 21, 2012, 05:58:34 AM
Columbia Crest has a lot of different grape offerings

We've come to trust Columbia Crest (sporadically available in Germany). Always a decent drink, no matter what the varietal. We're currently enjoying a case of 2007 Syrah.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 21, 2012, 05:59:45 AM
I love it when you post these - we love the German Rieslings! On the other hand, I want to try it too! And I can't (very little selection where I am currently). Boo hoo.

Drink one for me! :)

I'll drink several for you!...and Mrs. Rock will volunteer a bottle or two also  ;D ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 21, 2012, 06:08:21 AM
I'll drink several for you!...and Mrs. Rock will volunteer a bottle or two also  ;D ;)

Sarge
That's the spirit!  :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 21, 2012, 06:28:29 AM
(Un-chillfiltered @ 46.3%.)

That's a mighty powerful wine  ;D

I think you want to post it in this thread  ;)

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2069.0.html


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: North Star on September 21, 2012, 07:53:41 AM
That's a mighty powerful wine  ;D

I think you want to post it in this thread  ;)

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2069.0.html


Sarge

Ahh - thanks.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 14, 2012, 10:42:27 AM
LAst night, we had a wonderful Chianti - Fontodi Chianti Classico 2009 Riserva. We all agreed it was excellent - soft smooth, with a gentle aftertaste. It was not cheap at $29.99, but it is a wonderful wine as a gift (which it was). I would seek this out again for sure.
(http://www.dolcetradizione.it/286-607-large/chianti-classico-2009-docg-fontodi.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 17, 2012, 11:32:57 AM
LAst night, we had a wonderful Chianti - Fontodi Chianti Classico 2009 Riserva. We all agreed it was excellent - soft smooth, with a gentle aftertaste. It was not cheap at $29.99, but it is a wonderful wine as a gift (which it was). I would seek this out again for sure.
(http://www.dolcetradizione.it/286-607-large/chianti-classico-2009-docg-fontodi.jpg)

Sounds good. We drink a lot of Chianti. There are eleven Italian restaurants within five miles....three within a mile. We always order a bottle of wine, usually Chianti. One restaurant got wise and imported some expensive stuff to tempt us. It worked  :D

Sarge
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 19, 2012, 12:35:56 PM
This evening we picked up a case of Chianti we ordered last week from our local wine merchant. Noticed he had the 2011 Würzburger Stein Sylvaner Kabinett trocken in stock and bought a case. Würzburg, the Juliusspital wine estate, and this vineyard (the Stein) are famous for their wine made from the Sylvaner grape. €16.50 a bottle. Screw caps are ideal for storing the oddly shaped bottle (Bocksbeurtel). No need to lay them down now (which was always a hassle with these fat, round containers) to keep a cork wet  8)

The vineyard:


(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/W_rzburgerStein.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/w_rzburgerstein2.jpg)


The wine:


(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/PA191822_crop.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/PA191821_label.jpg)

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on October 20, 2012, 12:22:06 AM
Beautiful wines these Sylvaners. I spent a night in Würzburg a few years ago.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 25, 2012, 07:17:11 AM
We just returned from a trip to Montauk near the tip of the South Fork of Long Island, NY; as we did nearly a year & a half ago, we visited about a half dozen wineries on the North Fork, where nearly all but 3 are located (see map below) - from Montauk, the trip includes going first to Sag Harbor, then taking 2 ferries across Shelter Island to Greenport; then you're ready to explore the wineries!

Map below shows the geography of the eastern portion of Long Island, which forks like a serpent's tongue; the famous Hamptons (and other villages) are located on the South Fork.  Our last stop was @ Castello di Borghese where the LI wine industry pretty much began (under a different name & ownership) - my first visit and I MUST say the best wines tasted on this adventure; in fact, I ordered a half case (3 bottles each) of their Pinot Noir Reserve & Merlot Reserve; after probably a half dozen visits to this area over several decades, these were the BEST red wines that I have tasted from the island.

For those in the vicinity & who enjoy wine, a visit is highly recommended - if coming from NYC, just head to Riverhead and then the North Fork; if in the Hamptoms, then the Sag Harbor/ferry option is a delight - Dave :)

(http://mappery.com/maps/Long-Island-Wineries-Map.mediumthumb.pdf.png)

(http://www.castellodiborghese.com/images/CDB_40th_Art2.jpg)

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 25, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
We just returned from a trip to Montauk near the tip of the South Fork of Long Island, NY; as we did nearly a year & a half ago, we visited about a half dozen wineries on the North Fork, where nearly all but 3 are located (see map below) - from Montauk, the trip includes going first to Sag Harbor, then taking 2 ferries across Shelter Island to Greenport; then you're ready to explore the wineries!

Map below shows the geography of the eastern portion of Long Island, which forks like a serpent's tongue; the famous Hamptons (and other villages) are located on the South Fork.  Our last stop was @ Castello di Borghese where the LI wine industry pretty much began (under a different name & ownership) - my first visit and I MUST say the best wines tasted on this adventure; in fact, I ordered a half case (3 bottles each) of their Pinot Noir Reserve & Merlot Reserve; after probably a half dozen visits to this area over several decades, these were the BEST red wines that I have tasted from the island.

For those in the vicinity & who enjoy wine, a visit is highly recommended - if coming from NYC, just head to Riverhead and then the North Fork; if in the Hamptoms, then the Sag Harbor/ferry option is a delight - Dave :)

(http://mappery.com/maps/Long-Island-Wineries-Map.mediumthumb.pdf.png)

(http://www.castellodiborghese.com/images/CDB_40th_Art2.jpg)


I know this area well. We've never been particularly overwhelmed with the wineries on Long Island (don't get me wrong, it is a lot of fun, they want to be better known and try really hard, some of the views are exceptional, etc.), but they are still on the young side and should start to hit maturity soon (which means vines should start aging nicely too). But as an activity mixed in with the general views and such, it is tremendous fun. And I cannot tell you how many time the crowds have been nearly non-existent and the proprietors willing to show you practically everything (and try lots too). On the other hand, tasting wines (and a region) that is still developing is an exciting adventure as well. I cannot but agree how much fun it is. Glad you enjoyed it!!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 25, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
I know this area well. We've never been particularly overwhelmed with the wineries on Long Island (don't get me wrong, it is a lot of fun, they want to be better known and try really hard, some of the views are exceptional, etc.), but they are still on the young side and should start to hit maturity soon (which means vines should start aging nicely too). But as an activity mixed in with the general views and such, it is tremendous fun. And I cannot tell you how many time the crowds have been nearly non-existent and the proprietors willing to show you practically everything (and try lots too). On the other hand, tasting wines (and a region) that is still developing is an exciting adventure as well. I cannot but agree how much fun it is. Glad you enjoyed it!!

Hi Neal - well, as mentioned, I've probably made a half dozen visits over several decades to the North Fork; the wines have expanded in their offerings and certainly have improved (40 yrs is a good time period to narrow down the options & the grapes/techniques needed).  But, the wines are still quite variable in quality w/ a number being rather mediocre.  However, there were a handful of good to excellent ones, and the two reds that I purchased were certainly in that category (or I least I hope so w/ the price paid + S/H to North Carolina!).

North Carolina is in the same state of flux - 100 or so wineries now, one of the top 10 states in the nation for wine production, and now 3 AVAs (Yadkin River Vly near me being the first and the one most populated w/ wineries).  As to quality, the variability is striking w/ many poor to mediocre wines that I've tasted over the years - occasionally several will stand out & surprise.  The whites seem to be doing the best here, but there are many years ahead for further experimentation & improvements; and I suspect this is true in many states outside the Pacific coastal area w/ emerging wine industries.  Dave :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 26, 2012, 06:15:52 AM
Hi Neal - well, as mentioned, I've probably made a half dozen visits over several decades to the North Fork; the wines have expanded in their offerings and certainly have improved (40 yrs is a good time period to narrow down the options & the grapes/techniques needed).  But, the wines are still quite variable in quality w/ a number being rather mediocre.  However, there were a handful of good to excellent ones, and the two reds that I purchased were certainly in that category (or I least I hope so w/ the price paid + S/H to North Carolina!).

North Carolina is in the same state of flux - 100 or so wineries now, one of the top 10 states in the nation for wine production, and now 3 AVAs (Yadkin River Vly near me being the first and the one most populated w/ wineries).  As to quality, the variability is striking w/ many poor to mediocre wines that I've tasted over the years - occasionally several will stand out & surprise.  The whites seem to be doing the best here, but there are many years ahead for further experimentation & improvements; and I suspect this is true in many states outside the Pacific coastal area w/ emerging wine industries.  Dave :)
You've said what I wanted to say better than I did! I agree there are some good wines, it's the variable quality thing that frustrates. I have heard very positive things about NC wines, though I have only ever tasted them in classes. I think most non Califonia and Northwest wines are simply unfamiliar to most people, partly due to name recognition and partly due to availability. It's a shame really, although it can be hoped that as the wines improve, so will their popularity.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on October 27, 2012, 04:09:39 AM
Another night with a circle of friends:

Ch Mouton-Rotschild 81
Ch Mouton-Rotschild 83
Ch Pichon-Longueville deLalande 81
Ch Palmer 88
Ch Leoville-Barton 2001
N Potel Clos de la Roche 99
G Barthod Chambolle-Musigney Les Cras 95 (rough and tannic on its own, but wonderful with boeuf bourgignon)
Koehler-Ruprecht Kallstadter Saumagen Auslese trocken R 2001
Trimbach Riesling Friedrich Emile 98
Bruno Sorg Muscat 2010 (wonderful with cheeses)
Dauvissat Chablis Foret 2002
Anne Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet Les Clavoillons 2005 (incredibly fine)

and a few more ..... :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on November 03, 2012, 02:23:36 PM
One of the bottles that will be opened tonight:

(http://sa3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/26/50/10122650t.jpg)

2003

More here:

http://www.ciaccipiccolomini.com/

One of the cheeses that will be offered on top of Welsh and Cabot cheddar:

(http://www.sunnymorning.com/sites/default/files/styles/350x350/public/z4247.jpg)

This unforced aged gouda is incredible.  Has those little amino acid crystals that crunch a bit.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on November 03, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
One of the bottles that will be opened tonight:

(http://sa3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/26/50/10122650t.jpg)

2003

More here:

http://www.ciaccipiccolomini.com/

I think I have a couple of bottles of the 2004 of this. I also believe I've had the 2001; this is good stuff.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 03, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
Hi Bill & Erato - drinking some good wines, esp. that list from E! - boy, I remember owning some of those Bordeaux (not the top ones) - BUT, all of mine have been consumed and @ my age not planning to buy any more to age (would have to pass them on to a future generation -  ;D).

Yesterday, I received my half case purchase of two reds from Castello di Borghese (North Fork, Long Island), i.e. two reserves, a 2008 barrel fermented Pinot Noir Reserve & a 2007 Merlot Reserve - now I've drank red wines in the eastern USA (Long Island, Virginia, & North Carolina) for decades, but must say that these were some of the BEST reds that I've tasted @ the wineries - of course, these do not always please @ home in a larger amount -  :-\

BUT, over the last few nights, I've been sipping on the Pinot Noir and maintain my initial opinion - this is one of the best red wines that I've had from the eastern USA areas mentioned (NOTE - this does not include Oregon or California) - the bottom line for me is that good red wine is certainly a reality on the east coast of the USA - NOW, these bottles were not cheap, so can 'decent' red wine be made in these locales at a reasonable price?  Don't know but time will tell - Dave :)   P.S. the image below is a year off the one that I bought, i.e. 2008!

(http://www.empirestatecellars.com/images/0143.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: ChamberNut on November 03, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
Does anybody else enjoy Malbecs from Argentina?  My favourite is the Don David.

I love how the taste changes as you sip it and let it air longer.  Goes great with dark chocolate!  :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on November 04, 2012, 04:42:19 AM
I think I have a couple of bottles of the 2004 of this. I also believe I've had the 2001; this is good stuff.

We never opened it, but will next visit.  He already had a bottle of this open:

(http://www.bevmo.com/Handler.ashx?Size=L&PhotoID=135)

and he gave me a bottle to take home! :)  We also had a French wine,but I do recall the name.  I meant to bring the bottle home, so will text him for the label later today.  The urgency comes from the fact that it was one, if not the best, wine I have ever had.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on November 04, 2012, 04:53:02 AM
Does anybody else enjoy Malbecs from Argentina?  My favourite is the Don David.

I love how the taste changes as you sip it and let it air longer.  Goes great with dark chocolate!  :)

Here is one I enjoy that will not set you back much, Ray:

(http://static3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/16/30/catena-zapata-catena-malbec-mendoza-argentina-10141630.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 04, 2012, 05:16:30 AM
Does anybody else enjoy Malbecs from Argentina?  My favourite is the Don David.

We love 'em. The price/quality ratio is usually favorable. Our local wine merchant, Jacques Wein-Depot, stocks a few. Their latest arrival, and our latest Malbec purchase, was this one:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/_Ojo.jpg)


€9.50 a bottle.


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 04, 2012, 06:05:13 AM
Does anybody else enjoy Malbecs from Argentina?  My favourite is the Don David.

I love how the taste changes as you sip it and let it air longer.  Goes great with dark chocolate!  :)

Hi Ray (Bill & Sarge) - I am now buying more wines from Chile & Argentina, and Malbec is the red that I have most of from South America; I can only get the 'usual' brands (like the Catena shown) and at good prices; newest additions to my now modest cellar are the Catena (2010) & Norton Reserva (2008).

I also receive the Wine Spectator and there are always reviews of Chilean & Argentinean reds that receive great reviews (ratings in the 90s) but are usually expensive and made in small volumes, so unlikely to see any shelf space in North Carolina - would like to taste some of these offerings!

Reds from South American & Washington State have largely replaced the reds from my past (i.e. Bordeaux, Rhone, & California), but I guess my largest 'red proportion' is now Pinot Noir mainly from Oregon & California, but trying the New Zealand ones that reach my state (again similar situation to the better rated Malbecs) - one reason that I was rather 'shocked' by the Long Island P. Noir commented on by me a few posts ago - this side of the USA just does poorly w/ this grape!

Concerning the Malbecs that come my way, most are in the $10-$20 range, and are usually good (to my taste) to even excellent - believe that Norton I bought had a 90 rating in Wine Spectator; the young ones can be tannic and 1-2 yrs in my basement cellar seems to mellow them, as expected; I'm sure that those more expensive and rarer Malbecs would require much more aging.  Well my 2 cents!  Dave :)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on November 20, 2012, 09:07:54 PM
Here is the French wine I had a couple weeks back.  I would rank it the best wine I ever tasted.

(http://static3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/49/95/domaine-bruno-clavelier-la-combe-d-orveaux-vieilles-vignes-chambolle-musigny-premier-cru-france-10334995.jpg)

The "grape" just came through like nothing I have ever tasted. 

On tap for Thanksgiving dinner, back to Spain:

(http://www.karl-kerler.de/upload_sr03_alless01/detail_lan-rioja-reserva-weinversand_8098.jpg)

Dry with sweetness absent.  Both Linda and I fell for it at a wine tasting.
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Post by: The new erato on November 21, 2012, 02:41:40 AM
Here is the French wine I had a couple weeks back.  I would rank it the best wine I ever tasted.

(http://static3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/49/95/domaine-bruno-clavelier-la-combe-d-orveaux-vieilles-vignes-chambolle-musigny-premier-cru-france-10334995.jpg)

The "grape" just came through like nothing I have ever tasted. 

Interesting coincidence here. I was at at Burgundy tasting last Sunday of 22 reds from between 1990 to 2002 vintages, and this wine was present in both the 2002 and 1999 edition. Clavelier is a producer that "punches above his weight" and well worth buying (though Burgundy at this level never is inexpensive), and this is why I have a few bottles of 2002 and 2006 of this in my own cellar.

The two vintages we tasted came through with flying colors, I have notes, but not here, and not yet written up for publication. The 1er Cru portion of Combe d'Orveaux where Clavelier's plot is situated (there's also a part merely classified as village where among other Anne Gros makes a fine village wine) is neighboring Musigny, and the vineyard have been called a "mini Musigny" by many by virtue of its class and style.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2012, 05:45:39 AM
Interesting coincidence here. I was at at Burgundy tasting last Sunday of 22 reds from between 1990 to 2002 vintages, and this wine was present in both the 2002 and 1999 edition. Clavelier is a producer that "punches above his weight" and well worth buying (though Burgundy at this level never is inexpensive), and this is why I have a few bottles of 2002 and 2006 of this in my own cellar.

The two vintages we tasted came through with flying colors, I have notes, but not here, and not yet written up for publication. The 1er Cru portion of Combe d'Orveaux where Clavelier's plot is situated (there's also a part merely classified as village where among other Anne Gros makes a fine village wine) is neighboring Musigny, and the vineyard have been called a "mini Musigny" by many by virtue of its class and style.

Coolness!  Dop your notes when you can. :)

Also, note one of the few "flags" where you can buy this vintage. ;)

http://www.wine-searcher.com/wine-94883-2006-domaine-bruno-clavelier-la-combe-d-orveaux-vieilles-vignes-chambolle-musigny-premier-cru-france
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 21, 2012, 05:46:20 AM
Bill! Happy Thanksgiving to you & your'n!
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Post by: Bogey on November 21, 2012, 05:47:29 AM
Bill! Happy Thanksgiving to you & your'n!

And to yours, Karl.  Hope you have today off and are enjoying it.  If not, then tomorrow.
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 21, 2012, 05:52:45 AM
In the cube farm, but it will be a short day, so it already feels most agreeably holiday-making-like.
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 21, 2012, 05:53:48 AM
I'm not at all sure that listening to the Shostakovich Fifteenth [Symphony] is at all suited to Thanksgiving, but it was what my ears itched for this morning . . . .
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on November 21, 2012, 06:02:53 AM
I'm not at all sure that listening to the Shostakovich Fifteenth [Symphony] is at all suited to Thanksgiving, but it was what my ears itched for this morning . . . .
Perhaps after listening to it you will give thanks you weren't born in the Soviet Union under the crook, rapist and highway robber Dzhugashvili.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on December 01, 2012, 02:47:58 AM
Coolness!  Dop your notes when you can. :)

Also, note one of the few "flags" where you can buy this vintage. ;)

http://www.wine-searcher.com/wine-94883-2006-domaine-bruno-clavelier-la-combe-d-orveaux-vieilles-vignes-chambolle-musigny-premier-cru-france
My notes on the Clavelier Combe d’Orveaux 2002:
Beautiful wine, fine concentrated fruit. Slightly earthy, cherries and fruit stone (pips?). Fine lngth, a nice, slight bitterness to the finish, well integrated oak. Dark color, delicious, showing the slightly sweet fruit core of many 2002 red Burgundies.

And the 99: Somewhat cooler style, perhaps slightly less concentration, pretty minerality here, in a less open and generous place than the 02, and the fruit tends more towards red berries (raspberries, redcurrants) than the 02. In need of more time.

4 guys and 14 wines last night (we are prone to not empty all bottles though and drink lots of water); of which the more memorable were:

Salon 97 BdB Champagne
Trimbach Riesling Cuvee Friedrich Emile 2002
Chateau La Louviere blanc 2000
Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle 1996
Muga Prado Enea 2004
Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanee Clos du Chateau 2002
Les Forts de Latour 2002
Rene Engel Grand Echezeaux 2003
Huet Vouvray Clos de Bourg 2005 Sec
Huet Vouvray Les Haut-Lieu 2005 Moilleux

The Clos des Lambrays 2002 was very disappointing, and a half bottle of d’Yquem 96 showed way too young.

Another appointment with another bunch of guys (with wives this time) tonight. A hard life.

 
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Post by: The new erato on December 03, 2012, 12:32:27 AM
Im afraid Saturday was another vinous night with another circle of friends, this time me and four other guys that goes back 20 years as to wine drinking, this time with wives so 10 persons in all.

Pol Roger Rose 2002
Noble Cuvee de Lanson 1989
Maximin Grünhauser Herrenberg Riesling Spätlese 1988
Pouilly Fuisse La Roche 2002, Guffens Heynen
Riesling "Cuvée Frédéric Émile" 1992
Riesling Ried Klaus Smaragd 2002, Prager
Pinot Gris Hengst 2009, Albert Mann
Chateau Grand Puy Ducasse 1982
Cornas Reynard 2000, Allemand
CdP Cuvee Reservee 2001,Domaine de  Pegau
Gevrey Chambertin Clos St. Jacques 1996
Clos de la Roche 2001, Drouhin
Niepoort Vintage 1997

Overall, this was a weekend to keep the Norwegian winter cold at bay!
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Bogey on December 05, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
My notes on the Clavelier Combe d’Orveaux 2002:
Beautiful wine, fine concentrated fruit. Slightly earthy, cherries and fruit stone (pips?). Fine lngth, a nice, slight bitterness to the finish, well integrated oak. Dark color, delicious, showing the slightly sweet fruit core of many 2002 red Burgundies.

And the 99: Somewhat cooler style, perhaps slightly less concentration, pretty minerality here, in a less open and generous place than the 02, and the fruit tends more towards red berries (raspberries, redcurrants) than the 02. In need of more time.

4 guys and 14 wines last night (we are prone to not empty all bottles though and drink lots of water); of which the more memorable were:

Salon 97 BdB Champagne
Trimbach Riesling Cuvee Friedrich Emile 2002
Chateau La Louviere blanc 2000
Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle 1996
Muga Prado Enea 2004
Liger-Belair Vosne-Romanee Clos du Chateau 2002
Les Forts de Latour 2002
Rene Engel Grand Echezeaux 2003
Huet Vouvray Clos de Bourg 2005 Sec
Huet Vouvray Les Haut-Lieu 2005 Moilleux

The Clos des Lambrays 2002 was very disappointing, and a half bottle of d’Yquem 96 showed way too young.

Another appointment with another bunch of guys (with wives this time) tonight. A hard life.

 

Thanks!
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Post by: Bogey on March 03, 2013, 05:41:33 PM
(http://sa3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/02/32/10150232t.jpg)
2007 Louis Jadot Les Fuees, Chambolle-Musigny Premier Cru, France

Just got a bottle of this from 2007....pricey for my pockets.

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/louis+jadot+les+fuees+chambolle+musigny+premier+cru+cote+de+nuit+burgundy/2007

Why such the variation for this "look" of label?

Seems to be a small plot:

http://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-chambolle-musigny+les+fuees
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 03, 2013, 05:58:34 PM
(http://sa3.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/02/32/10150232t.jpg)
2007 Louis Jadot Les Fuees, Chambolle-Musigny Premier Cru, France

Just got a bottle of this from 2007....pricey for my pockets.

Why such the variation for this "look" of label?

Seems to be a small plot:  http://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-chambolle-musigny+les+fuees

Hi Bill - well, you guys are really splurging! :)  I used to have a nice collection of red Burgundies (i.e. when they were much less expensive for a good year & producer); of course, you know this is Pinot Noir, which is a grape that I've loved for decades (probably my favorite red wine), but now I buy mostly Oregon & California PNs. 

BTW, the appearance of that label is pretty typical of those from Burgundy at least when I was buying them - can't remember if 2007 was a good year but now @ 6 yrs of age likely will be tasting just fine - enjoy!  Dave
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Post by: Bogey on March 03, 2013, 06:02:10 PM
Thanks, Dave.  It was for our 20th year of Oscars with our friends that enjoy wine.  However, a blizzard made it stay on the rack.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 03, 2013, 06:17:18 PM
Inventing Wine: A New History of One of the World's Most Ancient Pleasures (2012) by Paul Lukacs - just over 300 pages of text; the author (who has written a number of wine books that I've read) does a great job of covering the 'historic' development of wine from the BCE to the present - a difficult task and objections will be made, but this is a good read for those interested in the history of wine - having read many books over the decades on wine history (and watched a number of videos), this is a well done and concise book - a recommendation, especially for wine lovers not knowing much of the history or just getting into enjoying the 'beverage' - Dave :)

(http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_r/Boston/2011-2020/2012/12/31/BostonGlobe.com/Arts/Images/wine.r.jpg)
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Post by: Bogey on March 03, 2013, 06:19:25 PM
Inventing Wine: A New History of One of the World's Most Ancient Pleasures (2012) by Paul Lukacs - just over 300 pages of text; the author (who has written a number of wine books that I've read) does a great job of covering the 'historic' development of wine from the BCE to the present - a difficult task and objections will be made, but this is a good read for those interested in the history of wine - having read many books over the decades on wine history (and watched a number of videos), this is a well done and concise book - a recommendation, especially for wine lovers not knowing much of the history or just getting into enjoying the 'beverage' - Dave :)

(http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_r/Boston/2011-2020/2012/12/31/BostonGlobe.com/Arts/Images/wine.r.jpg)

Sounds like a book for me!

I also found this on the bottle I posted:

http://www.louisjadot.com/en/index.php

Fun to dig into the site to discover more about the wine. 
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Post by: Brian on March 03, 2013, 06:25:11 PM
Sonic Dave, speaking of pinot noir from Oregon, I just picked up a bottle of 2011 Ponzi 'Tavola' pinot noir. Don't know much about wine but it came highly recommended... recent enough that I think I would be wise to keep it a while?
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Post by: Bogey on March 03, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
Sonic Dave, speaking of pinot noir from Oregon, I just picked up a bottle of 2011 Ponzi 'Tavola' pinot noir. Don't know much about wine but it came highly recommended... recent enough that I think I would be wise to keep it a while?

Here is a bit on it.

http://ponziwines.com/assets/uploads/general/11_Ponzi_Tavola_PNR_Notes.pdf

I am guessing it will go for a few years, Brian.
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Post by: Bogey on March 03, 2013, 06:34:52 PM
Dave, concerning the book, is it ALL text?  Or are there plenty of illustrations?
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 24, 2013, 06:02:45 AM
In the last two weeks I've opened two bottles of my dwindling cru classé Bordeaux stash: a 1995 fifth growth Margaux, Chateau du Tertre, and a 1991 second growth St. Julien, Chateau Léoville Barton. I was afraid I might have waited too long. The last time I opened a bottle of the Léoville it seemed on the edge of oblivion. But this bottle was great. Mature and still concetrated and complex, lovely cedar notes. The du Tertre was good too, but along with the red berry it had a slight vegetal taste and was very earthy...in a good way. Both times we drank the wine with a steak dinner: filet medium rare, roasted rosemary potatoes and broccoli with garlic slices.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3091869_400.jpg) (http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3091869_label.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3221871_400.jpg) (http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3221871_label.jpg)


Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 24, 2013, 08:13:09 AM
In the last two weeks I've opened two bottles of my dwindling cru classé Bordeaux stash: a 1995 fifth growth Margaux, Chateau du Tertre, and a 1991 second growth St. Julien, Chateau Léoville Barton. I was afraid I might have waited too long...........

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3091869_label.jpg)

Sad to say that my last classified Bordeaux were consumed a few years ago - nada now!  ???

BUT, I did have originally a half case of that Ch. Léoville Barton 91 bought as futures probably in 1993-4?  My last bottle went @ 20 yrs of age - Dave :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 24, 2013, 11:06:46 AM
Sad to say that my last classified Bordeaux were consumed a few years ago - nada now!  ???

BUT, I did have originally a half case of that Ch. Léoville Barton 91 bought as futures probably in 1993-4?  My last bottle went @ 20 yrs of age - Dave :)

I bought my full case of Léoville, not as futures but still shortly after it was released. So, twenty years in the cellar. I can't believe my patience ;D  I have one bottle left. Also one bottle remaining of the du Tertre (bought a half case in the late 90s).

Sarge
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Post by: MishaK on March 25, 2013, 10:15:28 AM
Nice. I still have a 2002 du Tertre in my cellar.
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Post by: The new erato on March 25, 2013, 10:31:15 AM
My mature Bordeaux Reserves are dwindling as well (I'm still holding on to my single Lafitte 86!), but I have kept on buying the occasional bottle through the 90ies and 2000s. But the prices are getting sillier and siller, my Grand Puy Lacoste 2004 were $75 (bought 3), the 2009 were $120 (2), and the 2010 are $150 (0). I have some Leoville Barton 1994/2001/2004, some Pontet Canet from a couple of vintages, some Cantemerle from various vintages, some Dom de Chevalier (99, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006), Dominique 2005 and assorted odds and ends. Nothing really major.
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Post by: Brian on June 20, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
Sonic Dave, speaking of pinot noir from Oregon, I just picked up a bottle of 2011 Ponzi 'Tavola' pinot noir. Don't know much about wine but it came highly recommended... recent enough that I think I would be wise to keep it a while?

Cracked this one open with a friend last night and we had almost the whole bottle. After sitting out a few minutes, it developed into a very fine wine - smooth, well-rounded medley of berries, pepper perhaps, a bit of a tart "fold" (for some reason I think of flavors as shapes a lot of the time).

Octave, when you click through to this thread - I'm a bare-bones beginner and just learning my way. As you can see, I don't know the vocabulary or tasting notes anything like our experts, but am trying to do the same thing they do - just report on what they taste.

A book I highly recommend is Oldman's Guide to Outsmarting Wine. And a price range I recommend is $16-24, with a little research and diligence you can find very very satisfying stuff there. The Ponzi pinot was one such - $24 for a 2011 I think. I'll be going back to buy another bottle and keep it a year or two (something I've never done before, gonna be an experiment).
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Post by: Octave on June 20, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
Thanks Brian for bumping this and Sonicman-Dave for the pointer.  How could I mess up a keyword search for 'wine'?   :-X
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Post by: kishnevi on June 20, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
I've been exploring what is probably a niche market--inexpensive Israeli wines (in this case, defining inexpensive as being under $20US) , and having discovered that the Israeli equivalent of Gallo is Recananti and Yasmin wines,  and that overall there's a wide variation in both quantity and price,  I've stumbled over a nice red wine, from Dalton Winery, a blend they call Canaan wine (it comes in both red and white versions;  I've only had the red),  for about $17 a bottle.  What's now available seems to be the 2010 vintage.
(http://www.dalton-winery.com/Products/ProductUploadedImages/Big/new_red_can10_large.jpg)

The winery website is here:
http://www.dalton-winery.com/

Their own write up follows.  The 'tasting notes" match my own impressions rather closely.
Quote
Red Canaan

WINEMAKING:
 Red Canaan is a blend of Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Petit Sirah and a little Shiraz and some mourvedre, the proportions of which may vary from year to year.

 Close proximity to the winery allowed for immediate crushing and fermenting. The colour of the wine is extracted by a rigorous regime of pumping over and warm fermentation. The Canaan wines are our earliest release wines and do not see influence of oak before bottling.


TASTING NOTES:
 Canaan is an easy drinking medium-bodied red wine with sweet fruit, with notes of black pepper, cherries and plums, low tannins and soft vanilla tones. This is a wine with very few pretensions and is made for immediate consumption.

 

SUGGESTED SERVING TEMPERATURE:
 16-18〫 Celsius but can also be served slightly chilled.

 

SERVING SUGGESTIONS:
 The Canaan wines were made with the Israeli climate and cuisine in mind so they particularly suitable for Mediterranean cuisine. The Red Canaan is a good accompaniment to pasta, pizza, poultry, and mixed grills, it is also an excellent party wine.

The reference to "warm fermentation" is probably a reference to the mevushal process used for almost all kosher wines.  (Non Mevushal wine is rendered non-kosher if the bottle or drinking vessel which contains it is touched by a Gentile or a not so observant Jew like myself;  if it sounds bigoted,  remember that this rule dates back to the days when Gentiles worshipped Bacchus and poured wine libations to the pagan gods, and therefore one could assume that any jar of wine handled by a Gentile had been involved, if only incidentally, in idol worship.  Full explanation can be found on Wikipedia under the term "mevushal".  In my experience, the mevushal process as now practiced has little or no effect on the quality of the wine.)

Another winery which seems to have good quality control,  but is even less expensive (starting at $11 or $12US a bottle), is Barkan;  they produce a series of wines, the worst of which can be called "decent"--certainly not as cheap tasting as other brands might be..  (They also have some higher end, higher priced wines which I have not tasted.)
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Post by: jlaurson on June 20, 2013, 10:45:57 PM
Checking into the wine-room with a report of a recent order of quality German whites.


(http://www.weingutwittmann.de/static/images/wittmann_logo_transparent.png)

http://www.weingutwittmann.de/home (http://www.weingutwittmann.de/home)

Sarge: Put in my first oder with Wittmann day before yesterday...

Silvaner trocken, 2012

Weißer Burgunder trocken, 2012

Grauer Burgunder trocken, 2012

Riesling trocken, 2012

Riesling 1l , 2012



Didn't go for Scheurebe & Rosé ... for no particular reason except that I can always get more Rosé when a woman that has a penchant for Rosé frequents my place on a regular basis...
a few boxes of the basic stuff... plus one box "Vom Schiefer" of his wife's stuff. Not usually (or until now at least not) a fan of slate (shale/shist)-taste... but I suppose a well made Riesling could well convince me. Aside, I like to surprise the palate. Which makes me wonder why I didn't go for the Scheurebe...

If those tickle my explorin' buds, without satisfying them, I'll try their Ortsweine. But mainly I was interested in their Pinot Blanc...
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 21, 2013, 09:39:45 AM
Cracked this one open with a friend last night and we had almost the whole bottle. After sitting out a few minutes, it developed into a very fine wine - smooth, well-rounded medley of berries, pepper perhaps, a bit of a tart "fold" (for some reason I think of flavors as shapes a lot of the time).

Octave, when you click through to this thread - I'm a bare-bones beginner and just learning my way. As you can see, I don't know the vocabulary or tasting notes anything like our experts, but am trying to do the same thing they do - just report on what they taste......

Hi Brian - well, if you liked the Ponzi Pinot Noir, then explore the grape - probably my favorite 'red' as I've gotten older; although my 'wine cellar' has dwindled over the years, I probably have a dozen cases @ the moment w/ over 2 cases of different '09-'11 Oregon pinots - yesterday, after sharing some woodworking projects w/ a few friends, we had a little wine & cheese over some OR PN below.  As I've likely mentioned before, the OPNC (Oregon Pinot Noir Club) HERE (http://www.oregonpinotnoir.com/StoreFront.bok) is an excellent source from some OR wineries that may not have a national distribution - been shipping to me for years now.  Dave :)

(http://vinecraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2010-Alloro-Pinot-Noir-Estate.jpeg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 21, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
Below a series of pics sent to me from a 'wine' friend - gave me a chuckle and certainly approve of the dosages suggested - :)  Dave

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-58JBgFs/0/O/WineCellar0.png)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-Cv3PrZw/0/M/WineCellar1-M.jpg)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-JdhxLxb/0/M/WineCellar2-M.jpg)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-HSjvfFP/0/M/WineCellar3-M.jpg)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-cJJsRHg/0/M/WineCellar4-M.png)
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Post by: jlaurson on June 21, 2013, 09:57:13 AM

Got completely drenched earlier, from filling up the cellar with white & gray burgundy, riesling, and sylvaner. My favorite kind of workout! My rack is full now... so I have to do some work!

One bottle, as a reward for hard labor, went with me upstairs and awaits its decapitation now.

Arrived two days after above order... alongside a few beer orders because I'll be having a 'gentlemen's evening' (except afternoon, grilling on the river) in july for which everyone brings some of their favorite beers. Time to expose those Austrians and Germans (and other assorted internationals of that crowd, with a slight emphasis on musicians) to some of the better Anglo brews. Or at least those I enjoyed. Couldn't get Dogfishead here, but got a few ones one would and could drink with assurance, abroad. Anchor Liberty Ale (a favorite at CATO, not just because of the name but also because of the SF origin of both), Sierra Nevada (bit plain-Jane choice, but a staple in my days), Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale, Newcastle Brown Ale, Boddingtons (my favorite to have on a Saturday, breaking the law by way of public consumption strolling about Eastern Market in DC),
and perhaps the best German "Helles" I've ever had... Kloster Irsee Urtrunk. Rumor has it that the beer was the reason Bruno Weil used to choose Irsee for his annual performances in Germany. :-)
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Post by: MishaK on June 21, 2013, 11:13:16 AM
Below a series of pics sent to me from a 'wine' friend - gave me a chuckle and certainly approve of the dosages suggested - :)  Dave

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-58JBgFs/0/O/WineCellar0.png)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-Cv3PrZw/0/M/WineCellar1-M.jpg)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-JdhxLxb/0/M/WineCellar2-M.jpg)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-HSjvfFP/0/M/WineCellar3-M.jpg)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-cJJsRHg/0/M/WineCellar4-M.png)

Oooh! There is a store in the city of Bordeaux that looks like that, but bigger. It's just one big spiral staircase with wine all around.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 21, 2013, 04:59:09 PM
Oooh! There is a store in the city of Bordeaux that looks like that, but bigger. It's just one big spiral staircase with wine all around.

Well had to 'google' that one!  ;D   I think the pic below is really impressive - remains me of the stacks in my medical school libraries, but w/ delicious libations rather than old smelly books!   Yeh - :)

(http://www.picturescolourlibrary.co.uk/loreswithlogo/2178707.jpg)
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Post by: Brian on June 22, 2013, 12:19:32 PM
Dave, what's the name of that shop in Bordeaux? Looks like a must-visit!

~

Made an exciting discovery today. Dallas has a first-rate Italian grocery with four aisles of wines from every province in Italy - the Piedmont to Calabria, Friuli to Sardegna. I'd never seen a single one of the bottles or wineries before. So... anyone want to offer some Italian wine advice? Varieties or specific names to try.
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Post by: jlaurson on June 22, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
So... anyone want to offer some Italian wine advice? Varieties or specific names to try.

My favorite varietal of red is, currently at least, Lagrein, which is special to Alto Adige and maybe a bit of the Trentino. It's a complex red wine with fine body ... in some ways combining the intriguing sides of Pinot Noir with the mouth-smacking satisfaction of Tuscan Cuvees and Amarone.

If you like a heavy wine like an Amarone, but your wallet has limits and it need not always have the last word in sophistication, a Ripasso is usually a good idea. A souped up (almost literally) Valpolicella with lots of full bodied oompf. Like a hot girlfriend... that's not so smart. You move on, before she starts discussing philosophy.
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Post by: Sean on June 22, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
Bai jiu is this Chinese national drink, made from a crop called sorghum, colourless and very strong. I drink a 56% brand but you can get 65%; regardless of strength it's smooth and drinkable. It's the best alcoholic drink in the entire world as it's free of impurities, likably pungent and very cheap seemingly without any tax. You can buy litres of it in huge plastic bottles for a few dollars or pounds if you like, enough to kill you many times over. It's pronounced By Jo but lost in transliteration.

All this drivel here about expensive wines and their fake sophisticated aftertaste- why not drink cherryaid you pompous morons? All that matters is how strong it is and how fast it intoxicates you, or why drink it?

In the last few months I've taken out dozens of groups of early 20s students to the restaurant and they might try bai jiu but are usually politely horrified by it; boys are sometimes more robust and outgoing but I guess I find there to be something missing in terms of conviviality by the end of the meeting...

I remember what it was like when I was that age but the readily availability and lack of fetishization of alcohol, plus the stoic principled need to get back to work is quite an observation...

(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080507/0004230fa7cc098b55e31d.jpg)

(http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/lifestyle/files/2011/10/BAIJIU-FACTS.jpg)

(http://cimg22.163.com/2008/2008/1/26/2008012613571524ffb.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/China%20Zhuhai/004_zps3ef92601.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/China%20Zhuhai/007_zps12c3fe13.jpg)

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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 22, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
Dave, what's the name of that shop in Bordeaux? Looks like a must-visit!..........

Hi Brian - just did a Google search on a 'spiral wine cellar' in Bordeaux - this LINK Came UP (http://www.picturescolourlibrary.co.uk/hybrid/data.svt?viewpage=picture_details_np.jsp&pclref=2178707) - take a look - been to France three times but never Bordeaux - BUT, would be a FUN visit, me thinks! :)  Dave
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Post by: Brewski on June 24, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
All this drivel here about expensive wines and their fake sophisticated aftertaste- why not drink cherryaid you pompous morons? All that matters is how strong it is and how fast it intoxicates you, or why drink it?

Um...maybe because wine tastes good? Oh sorry, I forgot: "pompous morons" wouldn't know anything about that.  ::)

--Bruce
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Post by: mc ukrneal on June 24, 2013, 07:38:18 AM
Dave, what's the name of that shop in Bordeaux? Looks like a must-visit!

~

Made an exciting discovery today. Dallas has a first-rate Italian grocery with four aisles of wines from every province in Italy - the Piedmont to Calabria, Friuli to Sardegna. I'd never seen a single one of the bottles or wineries before. So... anyone want to offer some Italian wine advice? Varieties or specific names to try.
There are so many good Italian wines, I don't even know where to start. Last one I had was a reasonably priced Tommasi Poggio al Tufo Rompicollo 2010. Not top the line or anything, but an everyday type of wine that we enjoyed.
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Post by: Sean on June 24, 2013, 11:13:43 AM
Um...maybe because wine tastes good? Oh sorry, I forgot: "pompous morons" wouldn't know anything about that.  ::)

One of us has much to learn.
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Post by: jlaurson on June 24, 2013, 10:43:20 PM
Um...maybe because wine tastes good? Oh sorry, I forgot: "pompous morons" wouldn't know anything about that.  ::)
--Bruce

Don't be feeding the trolls, Bruce. That's what the convenient "Ignore List" is for!k

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Post by: CaughtintheGaze on June 24, 2013, 10:45:30 PM
Don't be feeding the trolls, Bruce. That's what the convenient "Ignore List" is for!k

I don't know if a Mod can actually do that and still be a mod.  >:D
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Post by: Sean on June 24, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/001_zps564dbdef.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 25, 2013, 02:52:04 AM
Made an exciting discovery today. Dallas has a first-rate Italian grocery with four aisles of wines from every province in Italy - the Piedmont to Calabria, Friuli to Sardegna. I'd never seen a single one of the bottles or wineries before. So... anyone want to offer some Italian wine advice? Varieties or specific names to try.

Banfi makes consistently good Chianti for a reasonable price. I especially like the Riserva. Should be around $15 a bottle.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/chiantibanfi.jpg)

I love the wines of Piedmont. Barbaresco and Barolo are usually quite expensive, though. Look for Barbera d'Asti and Barbera d'Alba for affordable reds.

My current favorite Italian white is Lugana, a wine from a small northern region of Italy on the southern banks Lake Garda.

"Lugana is hardly a household word for most wine enthusiasts, but perhaps it ought to be: This region's white wines, luscious, full-bodied and surprisingly ageworthy, deserve ranking among the world's great whites for their balance, beauty and food-friendly style.

I expect it's no coincidence that the wine evolved on the shores of one of Italy's largest freshwater lakes makes a stunning companion with just about every kind of fish.

All Lugana is white; a small amount is sparkling, but the lion's share is made as a dry, still wine. The grape is Trebbiano, a variety that in most of the rest of Italy (and in France, where it's known as Ugni Blanc) is lightly regarded at best. In Lugana, however, Trebbiano is different, a serious grape making a serious wine. Luscious and "transparent," exceptional for showing minerality and "terroir."


Ca dei Frati makes a great example:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/Luganalabel.jpg)

Although the above review notes the wine's aging potential, Mrs. Rock and I prefer it young and kicking.

Sarge
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Post by: mc ukrneal on June 25, 2013, 03:44:40 AM
Banfi makes consistently good Chianti for a reasonable price. I especially like the Reserva. Should be around $15 a bottle.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/chiantibanfi.jpg)

I love the wines of Piedmont. Barbaresco and Barolo are usually quite expensive, though. Look for Barbera d'Asti and Barbera d'Alba for affordable reds.

Banfi are pretty dependable, but I find the Riserva sometimes too tanic and strong tasting. The Banfi Centine is quite similar and roughly 2/3 the price (and lighter in character). Antinori are pretty dependable too, thoug,h I had a strange run of bad bottles from them one year. Oh, and I remember someone raving about the Da Vinici Chianti Riserva (2007 I think, 2006 was good but not great). I love their labels, which is why I mention them.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 25, 2013, 04:38:14 AM
Oh, and I remember someone raving about the Da Vinici Chianti Riserva (2007 I think, 2006 was good but not great). I love their labels, which is why I mention them.

I've had Da Vinci's basic Chianti and enjoyed it. Will have to hunt down the Riserva.

Poggiopiano is another maker from Tuscany I find reliable, from top to bottom. We drink the wines often (a local supermarket carries the entire line). We did have a problem with some corked bottles last year but that seems to have passed.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/poggiopiano.jpg)


Sarge
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Post by: Brewski on June 25, 2013, 04:38:28 AM
Don't be feeding the trolls, Bruce. That's what the convenient "Ignore List" is for!k

Sorry, had a momentary outage, and you are quite right. However, as Philo notes, mods cannot ignore anyone.  8)

I don't know if a Mod can actually do that and still be a mod.  >:D

You are correct (meaning, the software does not allow it, even if we wanted to). And now, apologies for the slight derailment and back to wine - one of life's great pleasures. (As with many threads, I read and learn more than I contribute.)

--Bruce
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Post by: SonicMan46 on June 25, 2013, 05:24:25 AM
Sorry, had a momentary outage, and you are quite right. However, as Philo notes, mods cannot ignore anyone.  8)

You are correct (meaning, the software does not allow it, even if we wanted to). And now, apologies for the slight derailment and back to wine - one of life's great pleasures. (As with many threads, I read and learn more than I contribute.)

--Bruce

Yes, Bruce - would do well to get back to wine (defined here by a grape fermented beverage w/ 20% or less alcohol - must include the ports - and would accept some non-grape products to be fair to my wife who seems to enjoy these drinks). 

For Sean there is another thread that covers the 'stronger' alcoholic beverages or maybe a new one, such as Binge Drinking would be of interest?   ;) :D  Dave

BTW - years ago a Chinese friend (originally from Shanghai) returned from a trip there and brought back some 'fiery' beverage (believe 80% alcohol) - one taste was enough for me - :)
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Post by: Sean on June 25, 2013, 08:58:20 AM
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/China%20Zhuhai/003_zpsa74155e0.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 25, 2013, 10:32:59 AM
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/China%20Zhuhai/003_zpsa74155e0.jpg)

Dude, you photoshopped that picture. I know you have better taste than that. I did a google search; found the original. So it was really Lafite Rothschild you were glugging! Ha!....busted!

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/febgmc/seanlafite.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brian on June 25, 2013, 10:34:51 AM
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EDIT: Thanks all for the Italian wine ideas. I'll be back to the shop probably next week with a list and your generous advice to guide me.  :)
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Post by: jlaurson on June 25, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
Dude, you photoshopped that picture. I know you have better taste than that. I did a google search; found the original. So it was really Lafite Rothschild you were glugging! Ha!....busted!
Sarge

I almost don't know which one is more offensive. 

I'm off to the balcony now, to joint these little friends (after they'd been sitting in olive oil, chilies, and a bit of lime juice, and then gotten the heck fried out of them) on the balcony, with a Wittmann Riesling and a big salad.

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Oh, and the new LISTEN Magazine finally arrived here!!
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Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 25, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
What's the Cantonese for rotgut?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sean on June 25, 2013, 04:40:07 PM
Sarge

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Dude, you photoshopped that picture. I know you have better taste than that. I did a google search; found the original. So it was really Lafite Rothschild you were glugging! Ha!....busted!

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/febgmc/seanlafite.jpg)

Okay Sarge, I'm really a closet wine drinker- one to you...
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Parsifal on June 26, 2013, 06:53:46 AM
Bai jiu is this Chinese national drink, made from a crop called sorghum, colourless and very strong. I drink a 56% brand but you can get 65%; regardless of strength it's smooth and drinkable. It's the best alcoholic drink in the entire world as it's free of impurities, likably pungent and very cheap seemingly without any tax. You can buy litres of it in huge plastic bottles for a few dollars or pounds if you like, enough to kill you many times over. It's pronounced By Jo but lost in transliteration.

In other words, it is cheap Vodka, so cheap that a glass bottle would be a superfluous luxury.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brian on June 26, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
In other words, it is cheap Vodka, so cheap that a glass bottle would be a superfluous luxury.
Man, I just wasted like 5 minutes trying to find a Youtube clip of the Scene in Top Secret! where the waiter pours out a bottle of wine and the glass melts. Alas. Not online.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sean on June 26, 2013, 08:23:50 PM
Man, I just wasted like 5 minutes trying to find a Youtube clip of the Scene in Top Secret! where the waiter pours out a bottle of wine and the glass melts. Alas. Not online.

Remember the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster? Briton Douglas Adams comic sci-fi books and film from early 1980s- the drink burns a hole in the table top while the consumers are referred to rehabilitation organizations...

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 27, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Remember the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster? Briton Douglas Adams comic sci-fi books and film from early 1980s- the drink burns a hole in the table top while the consumers are referred to rehabilitation organizations...

And in your own drinking you've been trying to achieve that effect ever since. Finally, we understand you  ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
'tis the season for Riesling, preferably in its dry form. It's been a few years since we tasted a Niersteiner. This 2012 Guntrum is a very good and inexpensive (€7.50) example. The grapes were grown in the renowned Roten Hang (the vineyards adjacent to and north of the village, and named for the red slate soil).

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P7161902_crop.jpg)

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Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sean on July 16, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
Eh?
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on July 16, 2013, 11:35:51 PM
'tis the season for Riesling, preferably in its dry form. It's been a few years since we tasted a Niersteiner. This 2012 Guntrum is a very good and inexpensive (€7.50) example. The grapes were grown in the renowned Roten Hang (the vineyards adjacent to and north of the village, and named for the red slate soil).

Sarge
This is not "Eh?". I've recently had a couple of wonderful Gunterloch 02's from Der Roter Hang.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 17, 2013, 01:54:11 AM
This is not "Eh?". I've recently had a couple of wonderful Gunterloch 02's from Der Roter Hang.

Yes, Gunderloch makes sensational wine.

If you're ever in the area in June, check out the Weinpräsentation which takes place in the vineyards overlooking Nierstein and the Rhine.

http://www.youtube.com/v/qRLIxe4OVqY


Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 17, 2013, 01:57:24 AM
Eh?

I crave Riesling in the warmer months. Nothing quite so refreshing as a chilled jolt of fruit and acid.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brian on July 17, 2013, 10:11:58 AM
The American market is saturated with sweeter rieslings - I might head to the local wine warehouse (!) this weekend to see if I can find one or two more suitable examples of the art.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: The new erato on July 17, 2013, 12:08:50 PM
The American market is saturated with sweeter rieslings - I might head to the local wine warehouse (!) this weekend to see if I can find one or two more suitable examples of the art.
Nothing wrong with sweeter Rieslings, try a Mosel (or even better Saar/Ruwer) kabinett suitably cooled. The slatey, limey aromas will drive you nuts, the acids will balance the slight sweetness perfectly, and the low alcohol will be an added bonus.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: jlaurson on July 18, 2013, 01:15:16 AM
Nothing wrong with sweeter Rieslings, try a Mosel (or even better Saar/Ruwer) kabinett suitably cooled. The slatey, limey aromas will drive you nuts, the acids will balance the slight sweetness perfectly, and the low alcohol will be an added bonus.

While it's true that there's nothing wrong with sweeter Rieslings necessarily, it should be noted that sweet white wines, Rieslings especially, are what gave German wine a bad name in the US in the first place, and rightly so, because of the sadly dominant position of bonafide swill like "Liebfrauenmilch" and "Blue Nun".

It's not fool-proof, and exceptions obviously exist in either direction, but an inexpensive sweet Riesling is too likely to be of low quality for it to be worth risking it if you think that you're attitude towards Rieslings as such might be influenced by a (too-likely) bad experience.

The high quality German white wines that are sweet are almost all crowded together in the mid-expensive to very-expensive range... whereas superb (within reason), clean, quality Germans whites (Riesling and otherwise) can be had for very reasonable prices with a very reasonable chance of success.
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Post by: The new erato on July 18, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
God beware us all from wine like Liebfraumilch, generic Piesporter and their likes.

I'm thinking more of wines along the lines of eg this:

(http://sr4.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/19/29/10391929t.jpg.pagespeed.ce.PtCnfuaar_.jpg)

which can be had in the US for around 20$.

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Post by: kishnevi on July 18, 2013, 06:46:37 AM
Liebfraumilch may be swill, but it's superior swill in comparison to some other wines that used to populate the wine aisles of the grocery store two decades ago--and usually far better than the stuff Italian American pizza and spaghetti places were given to serve under the title of "house wine'.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: jlaurson on July 18, 2013, 07:15:59 AM
Liebfraumilch may be swill, but it's superior swill in comparison to some other wines that used to populate the wine aisles of the grocery store two decades ago--and usually far better than the stuff Italian American pizza and spaghetti places were given to serve under the title of "house wine'.

But unlike Liebfraumilch & Co., Thunderbird et al. didn't ruin the name of a whole wine industry on an entire continent for a solid 30-50 years. :-)

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Post by: kishnevi on July 18, 2013, 07:20:34 AM
But unlike Liebfraumilch & Co., Thunderbird et al. didn't ruin the name of a whole wine industry on an entire continent for a solid 30-50 years. :-)

The culprit I had in mind was Gallo.
And there was a time when the words "New York State vineyard" could be translated as "run away!"
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: jlaurson on July 18, 2013, 07:24:36 AM
The culprit I had in mind was Gallo.
And there was a time when the words "New York State vineyard" could be translated as "run away!"

But that's when they deserved that sobriquet, not?

I remember my Virginia wine-tasting days, in the late 90s, early Oughts... 19 out of 20 bottles were just atrocious. Woodchip solvent with overtones of Chardonnay...   :-[
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Post by: kishnevi on July 18, 2013, 07:28:52 AM

I remember my Virginia wine-tasting days, in the late 90s, early Oughts... 19 out of 20 bottles were just atrocious. Woodchip solvent with overtones of Chardonnay...   :-[

Ah, the wines that were a step above Gallo....
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2013, 07:31:40 AM
The German Rieslings at my local shops - at least, those which aren't primarily dedicated to fine wine imports - tend to be the $8 kind with garish pink, green, or blue glass. One even actually says "TRY ME!"
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: jlaurson on July 18, 2013, 07:44:30 AM
The German Rieslings at my local shops - at least, those which aren't primarily dedicated to fine wine imports - tend to be the $8 kind with garish pink, green, or blue glass. One even actually says "TRY ME!"

Always judge a wine bottle by it's cover! (When you have nothing else to go by on.) You know enough to stay away, then.  :P

Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2013, 07:02:37 AM
The American market is saturated with sweeter rieslings - I might head to the local wine warehouse (!) this weekend to see if I can find one or two more suitable examples of the art.

Dry German Riesling (look for trocken on the label) is a rarity in the States. Great dry Riesling even rarer. Good luck to you; you've taken on quite a quest. Maybe even mission impossible.

Sarge
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Post by: kishnevi on July 19, 2013, 09:00:44 AM
The German Rieslings at my local shops - at least, those which aren't primarily dedicated to fine wine imports - tend to be the $8 kind with garish pink, green, or blue glass. One even actually says "TRY ME!"

Give it to a non friend and see how their height changes.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 25, 2013, 05:10:05 AM
Went to Jacques' Wein-Depot last night. Sampled several Sauvignon blancs and bought three "six packs." From Bordeaux Le Blanc de Monsieur Henri from Famille Ducourt, a Sauvignon-Semillon blend (€6.90 a bottle). From Slovenia (!) Pullus from Ptujska Klet (which translates, I think, as the Wine Cellar of the city of Ptuj), a Sauvignon-Riesling blend (€6.90). And from a local vintner (located a few kilometers to the west of us) Weingut Winter's pure Sauvignon blanc (€7.50). They all have that typical Sauvignon grassiness and are bone dry except for the Bordeaux, which has some noticeable residual sweetness.

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Sarge
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Post by: Parsifal on July 25, 2013, 05:17:09 AM
Feeling left out, since I'm not a wine freak.

However, we've recently become obsessed with fancy olive oils.

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Castillo de Danena comes in two varieties, but we prefer the Picual.

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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 25, 2013, 05:24:33 AM
Went to Jacques' Wein-Depot last night. Sampled several Sauvignon blancs and bought three "six packs." From Bordeaux Le Blanc de Monsieur Henri from Famille Ducourt, a Sauvignon-Semillion blend (€6.90 a bottle). From Slovenia (!) Pollus from Ptujska Klet (which translates, I think, as the Wine Cellar of the city of Ptuj), a Sauvignon-Riesling blend (€6.90). And from a local vintner (located a few kilometers to the west of us) Weingut Winter's pure Sauvignon blanc (€7.50). They all have that typical Sauvignon grassiness and are bone dry except for the Bordeaux, which has some noticeable residual sweetness.

Hi Sarge - Sauvignon Blanc has been a long term favorite grape ever since Robert Mondavi came out w/ his version backed in the '60s w/ the name Fume Blanc (i.e. taking one term each from Pouilly Fume & Sauvignon Blanc) - I don't drink the European ones as much as decades ago, but my usual choice is the Upper Loire Valley (Pouilly Fume & Sancerre) and, of course, Bordeaux - in my area, the quality offered seems to favor the Loire Valley, so my usual choice - love the often 'mineral' flavors of that region.  Dave :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 25, 2013, 05:58:01 AM
Hi Sarge - Sauvignon Blanc has been a long term favorite grape ever since Robert Mondavi came out w/ his version backed in the '60s w/ the name Fume Blanc (i.e. taking one term each from Pouilly Fume & Sauvignon Blanc) - I don't drink the European ones as much as decades ago, but my usual choice is the Upper Loire Valley (Pouilly Fume & Sancerre) and, of course, Bordeaux - in my area, the quality offered seems to favor the Loire Valley, so my usual choice - love the often 'mineral' flavors of that region.  Dave :)

Sauvignon blanc was the first wine I was really crazy about. My best man gave me two bottles of Graves which my bride and I drank on our honeymoon (in 1971). It was delicious. Never had anything like it before. Unfortunately, as you alluded to, finding good let alone great white Bordeaux/Graves isn't easy. Cru classé white is rarer, and just as expensive as red. Worth the hunt...and sometimes worth the price. Sauvignon blanc is not a traditional German varietal, but some vintners are planting it. I'm seeing it more and more. It usually tastes German  :D  The 2012 Winter I just bought actually tastes more like a New Zealand example.

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on July 25, 2013, 06:06:16 AM
Sauvignon blanc was the first wine I was really crazy about. My best man gave me two bottles of Graves which my bride and I drank on our honeymoon (in 1971). It was delicious. Never had anything like it before. Unfortunately, as you alluded to, finding good let alone great white Bordeaux/Graves isn't easy. Cru classé white is rarer, and just as expensive as red. Worth the hunt...and sometimes worth the price. Sauvignon blanc is not a traditional German varietal, but some vintners are planting it. I'm seeing it more and more. It usually tastes German  :D  The 2012 Winter I just bought actually tastes more like a New Zealand example.

Sarge

Boy, close dates - we married in July 1970 and spent a week in Bermuda (at the Sonesta Beach below - then & now known as the 'honeymoon' hotel) - my wine knowledge at the point was embarrassing limited - first night we shared a bottle of Lancer's & the second, Mateus - after that I had the wine steward make the recommendations; BUT, I did quickly learn after that point -  ;D  Dave

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Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 25, 2013, 06:15:24 AM
Boy, close dates - we married in July 1970 and spent a week in Bermuda (at the Sonesta Beach below - then & now known as the 'honeymoon' hotel) - my wine knowledge at the point was embarrassing limited - first night we shared a bottle of Lancer's & the second, Mateus - after that I had the wine steward make the recommendations; BUT, I did quickly learn after that point -  ;D  Dave

I was married a year later: July 1971.

Ah, Lancers, Mateus. Add some Lambrusco to the mix and you've just written my early wine history  ;D  So you can imagine what a revelation that Graves was. That best man (my oldest friend, actually, met him in 1955, in first grade) also introduced me to Cotes du Rhone a year or two later, thereby weening me off Lambrusco.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 25, 2013, 07:05:36 AM
I was married a year later: July 1971.

Ah, Lancers, Mateus. Add some Lambrusco to the mix and you've just written my early wine history  ;D  So you can imagine what a revelation that Graves was. That best man (my oldest friend, actually, met him in 1955, in first grade) also introduced me to Cotes du Rhone a year or two later, thereby weening me off Lambrusco.

Sarge

Boy - another coincidence - in the summer of 1971 (may have been June or July or an overlap?) - for my medical school graduation that year, Susan's parents arranged a 3-week trip to Italy (my first to Europe) - we discovered plenty of excellent & inexpensive wines, including Lambrusco, which we continued to buy a home (well, at least for a couple of years as our 'vinous tastes' changed - ;) ) - Dave
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Post by: mc ukrneal on July 25, 2013, 07:32:09 AM
Cool stories. The first wine I ever bought was a Marquees de Caceres. I lived with a guy from Spain and he was proud of wines from there, though they were less well known in those days.  I went with him to the local store, and that was the only Spanish wine, but it's perfectly fine and quite reasonably priced (still). We shared with out other housemates, who I think enjoyed it more than I did. But as I got used to the stronger (tanic) taste of it, I really started to like it.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 25, 2013, 07:59:56 AM
Boy - another coincidence - in the summer of 1971 (may have been June or July or an overlap?) - for my medical school graduation that year, Susan's parents arranged a 3-week trip to Italy (my first to Europe) - we discovered plenty of excellent & inexpensive wines, including Lambrusco, which we continued to buy a home (well, at least for a couple of years as our 'vinous tastes' changed - ;) ) - Dave

Another coincidence :) Our European trip (hippie trek) happened a year later, June and July 1972. We traveled to England, Scotland, Belgium (I had to see the Waterloo battlefield), France, Germany, Switzerland and Italy, with about three weeks spent in Alsace (where my wife had studied during her junior year of college) and where I discovered wine that would become lifelong addictions (pinot noir, riesling, pinot blanc). One of her college buddies was somewhat of a wine expert. Although he was now a banker, his family owned a winery.

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 25, 2013, 08:10:55 AM
Cool stories. The first wine I ever bought was a Marquees de Caceres. I lived with a guy from Spain and he was proud of wines from there, though they were less well known in those days.  I went with him to the local store, and that was the only Spanish wine, but it's perfectly fine and quite reasonably priced (still). We shared with out other housemates, who I think enjoyed it more than I did. But as I got used to the stronger (tanic) taste of it, I really started to like it.

Making the transition from a sweet, fizzy red (like Lambrusco) to a more serious, drier and tannic red didn't happen overnight for me. The only wine I'd ever had prior to college was a sip of homemade rotgut a neighbor and his hunting pal dared me to taste when I was seven (apparently the sour look on my face was hilarious; it's a wonder I ever touched wine again  :D ) and the horrible communion stuff I drank every Sunday from age 14. Going from soda pop to Lambrusco was easy. But going from Lambrusco to something dry was tougher, partially because really cheap reds (all I could afford then) were usually pretty bad. Luckily I never gave up  :D

Sarge
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Post by: SonicMan46 on September 13, 2013, 09:42:56 AM
Hey Guys - finally got my sink fixed -  ;D
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 13, 2013, 01:43:35 PM
Hey Guys - finally got my sink fixed -  ;D

Turn both faucets on and you get rosé?   :D

Sarge
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Brian on October 08, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Okay Sarge, fess up about that Barbera and I'll see if my Italian grocery happens to have it.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 08, 2013, 01:54:54 PM
Okay Sarge, fess up about that Barbera and I'll see if my Italian grocery happens to have it.

A 2010 Barbera d'Asti from Olim Bauda. I'll be posting more in the eating thread.

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Sarge
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Post by: jlaurson on October 10, 2013, 12:45:05 AM
The arrival of new friends!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mGdn5YU6tgg/UlZn8Up6KeI/AAAAAAAAHS8/BwEcgsElXV8/s1600/Arzio_0.JPG) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FdTs4ykZc6Y/UlZn9AceR3I/AAAAAAAAHTE/BIijprnRCWM/s1600/Arzio_1.JPG)

Baron di Pauli
Alto Adige (South Tyrol)
3 x 2006 "Arzio" (Cuvee) (http://www.barondipauli.com/downloads/arzio_2006_en.pdf)
1 x  2007 "Arzio" (Cuvee) (http://www.barondipauli.com/downloads/arzio_2007_en.pdf)

The 2006 was an enormous treat at a fabulous Dinner this summer... the 2007, which as a year (though I don't know about that particular wine) was even better in South Tyrol, was substituted for the fourth 2006 that was no longer available.
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Post by: The new erato on October 10, 2013, 01:46:49 AM
I'm a great fan of the Alto Adige wines though I usually prefer their native grapes for the personality and character, Schiava, Lagrein and Teroldego give wonderful reds wines with a profile usually not found eleswhere.
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Post by: jlaurson on October 10, 2013, 02:23:29 AM
I'm a great fan of the Alto Adige wines though I usually prefer their native grapes for the personality and character, Schiava, Lagrein and Teroldego give wonderful reds wines with a profile usually not found eleswhere.

Yes, indeed... and that Cuvee I only picked, because the wine menu didn't have a Lagrein on it. That it turned out quite as well as it did...well, that was a bit of luck perhaps. As long as one stays away from Kalterersee Vernatsch and other Raspberry Juices...
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Post by: SonicMan46 on December 06, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
Some wine cartoons that have been emailed to me in the last week or two - Dave  :laugh:

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(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-X2qpZnm/0/L/Wine3-L.png)
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Post by: Florestan on December 06, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
Anyone growing his own grapevine and making his own wine? 
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Post by: mc ukrneal on December 06, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
Anyone growing his own grapevine and making his own wine? 
When I was a kid, we had a neighbor (who was from Romania) and he grew his own vines and made his own wine (right there in suburbia). It was...invigorating! :)
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Post by: Gordo on December 06, 2013, 12:41:10 PM
Today at lunchtime:

(http://www.evinoteca.ro/produse-imagini-b/misiones-de-rengo-carmenere-varietal.jpg)

An excellent Chilean Carmenère for just $7. 
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Post by: North Star on December 06, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Anyone growing his own grapevine and making his own wine? 
My dad and brother have made wine from cloudberries, apples and crowberries, very successfully too. Too bad distilling them is illegal here.
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: Gordo on December 06, 2013, 12:59:13 PM
My dad and brother have made wine from cloudberries, apples and crowberries, very successfully too. Too bad distilling them is illegal here.

I like those guys!
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Post by: North Star on December 06, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
I like those guys!
:)
I would be the one doing the distillation if it wasn't illegal  :-X
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Post by: Gordo on December 06, 2013, 01:01:31 PM
:)
I would be the one doing the distillation if it wasn't illegal  :-X

Me too... but I like those guys!  :D
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Post by: Florestan on December 07, 2013, 03:07:13 AM
When I was a kid, we had a neighbor (who was from Romania) and he grew his own vines and made his own wine (right there in suburbia). It was...invigorating! :)

Nice.  :D

My dad and brother have made wine from cloudberries, apples and crowberries, very successfully too.

I guess it was very good.  :)

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Too bad distilling them is illegal here.

Even for your own, personal use?
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Post by: North Star on December 07, 2013, 04:04:10 AM
I guess it was very good.  :)

Even for your own, personal use?
Different wines from each, and yes they all have been excellent.
Well it's not exactly illegal, but very strictly controlled, and you have to have a license, even if you only distill for your own use,
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Post by: jlaurson on December 07, 2013, 04:48:57 AM
Amazing Chardonnay (Morillon) yesterday, after making it the waiter's choice what to bring me. "Fruity [Fruchtig in German has less of a connotation of sweetness or cuteness], by all means... but not necessarily light"

I had one sip and thought: Boy, I hope it's not as expensive as it is good. Well, it was still the second most expensive open wine on the menu, but at a low-key place so it didn't break the piggy bank.

Gross, Suedsteiermark. http://www.gross.at/weine__lagen/startin (http://www.gross.at/weine__lagen/startin)
http://www.gross.at/jart/prj3/gross/resources/dbcon_def/uploads/downlaods/datenblaetter/Startin/Morillon_Startin_2011.pdf (http://www.gross.at/jart/prj3/gross/resources/dbcon_def/uploads/downlaods/datenblaetter/Startin/Morillon_Startin_2011.pdf)

(http://netwein.com/media/catalog/product/cache/img/3202_morillon_startin_weingut_gross.jpg)

I think -- I hope -- it was this one. Although I suppose it could have been this one, too: "Morillon Ratscher Nussberg" In which case I just ordered a case of the wrong one. :-)
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Post by: Florestan on December 07, 2013, 06:21:44 AM
Well it's not exactly illegal, but very strictly controlled, and you have to have a license, even if you only distill for your own use,

I see. AFAIK, here in Romania one does not need any license for producing less than a certain amount of self-made alcoholic drinks --- don't ask me the exact amount for I ignore it completely and so does anybody else.  ;D

As for control, neither the government has any means to implement it, nor the people will ever submit to it.  :D
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Post by: North Star on December 07, 2013, 06:35:38 AM
I see. AFAIK, here in Romania one does not need any license for producing less than a certain amount of self-made alcoholic drinks --- don't ask me the exact amount for I ignore it completely and so does anybody else.  ;D

As for control, neither the government has any means to implement it, nor the people will ever submit to it.  :D
One can make as much alcoholic beverage by fermentation as one wants, as long as one doesn't sell it. And of course one could distill too without the authorities knowing about it..
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Post by: The new erato on December 07, 2013, 07:06:39 AM
Fermenting stuff (wine, beer, cider) is allowed as long as one doesn't sell, distilling is forbidden (here in Norway),
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Post by: North Star on December 07, 2013, 07:12:15 AM
Fermenting stuff (wine, beer, cider) is allowed as long as one doesn't sell, distilling is forbidden (here in Norway),
Maybe if we built the distillation system at Treriksrøys...  :laugh:
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Post by: The new erato on December 07, 2013, 07:16:50 AM
Maybe if we built the distillation system at Treriksrøys...  :laugh:
So you know that!
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Post by: North Star on December 07, 2013, 07:21:53 AM
So you know that!
Why, I've been there, around ten years ago, on snowmobiles.
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Post by: Bogey on December 25, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
(http://static.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/18/50/the-infinite-monkey-theorem-cabernet-franc-grand-valley-usa-10341850.jpg)

This Colorado Cab with our prime rib dinner.  It is actually quite flavorful and finishes nicely.
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Post by: Bogey on March 01, 2014, 12:57:51 PM
To go along with our annual Oscars' party tomorrow:

(http://ct-static.com/labels/134681.jpg)
Title: Re: WINE - Red, White, or Other - Discussed Here!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 02, 2014, 10:52:47 AM
(http://static.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/18/50/the-infinite-monkey-theorem-cabernet-franc-grand-valley-usa-10341850.jpg)

This Colorado Cab with our prime rib dinner.  It is actually quite flavorful and finishes nicely.

Bill - I've been to Colorado just twice (Denver, Aspen, Colorado Springs, etc.) but both trips were a while back and wine production there was probably in its infancy at the time?  But, which parts of the state are making the wine since you're up a mile in Denver - curious?  Dave

P.S. that Mt. Veeder Napa Cabernet should be nicely aged and delicious (might want to decant an hour or so before consumption - :))
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Post by: Bogey on March 26, 2014, 03:13:56 PM
My wife is making some chicken fricassee and needed a little white.  This one was suppose to have been opened back as far as 2011, but it is still wonderful.  Reminds me not to get too snooty about reds and why I need more whites on the rack.  How far do you folks push your white wines with aging?

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/IMG_1338_zps2f7cc09b.jpg)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 26, 2014, 03:28:42 PM
How far do you folks push your white wines with aging?[/font][/size]

Mrs. Rock likes whites as young as possible; I can take some aging. But it depends on the varietal, style and producer. Riesling can age forever. I've had German (Pfälzer) Riesling from the '59 vintage recently, and it was still kicking with upfront lime flavors. A '95 grand cru Alsatian I opened last year was one of the best whites I've ever had, a perfect match for a spicy, coconut infused Indian dish. On the other hand, Sauvignon Blanc from NZ is best in its first year, going downhill rapidly after that (to my taste). Ami Chardonnay has never aged well for me...but I think the style and producer is critical here and I may not have had the best exemplars. I'm glad the Ferrari worked out for you.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on March 26, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Mrs. Rock likes whites as young as possible; I can take some aging. But it depends on the varietal, style and producer. Riesling can age forever. I've had German (Pfälzer) Riesling from the '59 vintage recently, and it was still kicking with upfront lime flavors. A '95 grand cru Alsatian I opened last year was one of the best whites I've ever had, a perfect match for a spicy, coconut infused Indian dish. On the other hand, Sauvignon Blanc from NZ is best in its first year, going downhill rapidly after that (to my taste). Ami Chardonnay has never aged well for me...but I think the style and producer is critical here and I may not have had the best exemplars. I'm glad the Ferrari worked out for you.

Sarge

Fingers were definitely crossed on this one.  I try to  get them open the week I buy them.
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 26, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
Fingers were definitely crossed on this one.  I try to  get them open the week I buy them.

Hi Bill - well Sarge has already given you some great advice!  My first response is also 'it depends' - at my age, most of the whites I buy are for 'immediate' consumption, i.e. will not save much more than a year or two, especially the less expensive ones - now I use to buy a LOT of F-C Chard & Sauvignon Blanc - probably had the one you pictured and would have consumed it w/i a couple of years.

NOW, some that I use to save that did improve w/ age included chardonnays from Burgundy (the better ones) and those from CA which where age, and even fermented in oak on their lees; German Rieslings meant to be aged a while; Sauternes (use to buy those on release and waited until their 8-12th birthdays - BOY, made a big difference) - at present, I'm not buying those wines any more (OH, another was Hunter Vly Semillon - those greatly improved after a half dozen or more years).  There are other examples (e.g. some Chenin Blancs from the Loire Vly) that I have no experience in aging or tasting.

Bottom line is that the vast majority of white wines, especially the dry table types are meant to be consumed pretty much on release or w/i a couple of years.  Dave :)
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Post by: Bogey on March 26, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a large glass left for tomorrow's pork dish and that almost did not happen. ;D  I need to buy a few bottles to have on hand as we have more chicken and pork than red meat anymore and I love how the whites pair.  However, reds work in a pinch. >:D
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Post by: SonicMan46 on March 26, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
Only a large glass left for tomorrow's pork dish and that almost did not happen. ;D  I need to buy a few bottles to have on hand as we have more chicken and pork than red meat anymore and I love how the whites pair.  However, reds work in a pinch. >:D

Bill - well, I don't know if you've gotten much into Pinot Noir, but my choice for a pork tenderloin, and also tuna & salmon, so don't be leery of mixing 'reds & whites' w/ different dishes, the old saying 'white wines w/ white meats' & 'reds w/ red meats' is a very general rule meant to be broken!  Dave :)
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 28, 2014, 05:13:17 AM
Went wine shopping yesterday. Bought 30 bottles: 12 bottles of a Bulgarian Merlot ("Enira" from Domaine Bessa Valley, €9.90 a bottle) and dry Riesling from three different regions and three different VDPers, six bottles each.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3280059_crop.jpg)


From the Mosel winery Grans-Fassian, Fuder 12 (€9.50):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3280059grans.jpg)


From the Rheingau estate Kloster Eberbach Hessische Staatsweingüter, the Hochheimer Kirchenstück (€11.95):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3280059kleberbach.jpg)


And from the Pfalz, Meßmer's (Burrweiler) Schäwer Riesling trocken (€16.90):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P3280059mesmer.jpg)


Kirchenstück and Schäwer (pronounced shaver) are vineyards. A Fuder is a wooden wine cask that holds about 1000 liters:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/nov2013/Fuder.jpg)



Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on April 13, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
Is that last photo from your basement, Sarge? ;)

Tonight:

(http://www.catenawines.com/fotos/catena-mb-2008-label.jpg)
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Post by: SonicMan46 on April 13, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
Is that last photo from your basement, Sarge? ;)

Tonight:

(http://www.catenawines.com/fotos/catena-mb-2008-label.jpg)

Hi Bill - I'm sure that I've had that Catena Malbec - you've been saving that one for a few years, I assume?  Currently, I have their 2010 & 2011 in my basement; great value in those Argentina Reds!  Dave :)
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Post by: Bogey on April 13, 2014, 05:57:29 PM
Hi Bill - I'm sure that I've had that Catena Malbec - you've been saving that one for a few years, I assume?  Currently, I have their 2010 & 2011 in my basement; great value in those Argentina Reds!  Dave :)

When I checked out the price of the 2008, I kept the cork in and texted my friend that gave it to me that we needed to share this one.  Went with plan B.  Another from Colorado:

(http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/QUL3PNA5ptpq2bCTsPpoiA/o.jpg)
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Post by: The new erato on April 13, 2014, 09:04:51 PM
Last week I bought a 6-pack of Georg Mosbacher's 2012 GGs. (2 each  of the Ungeheuer, Pechstein and Freundstuck). I'm sure the Sarge knows them. As well as a single bottle of Keller's Abtserde ..... (at 90 USD a pop......, anyhow those were rationed and the single bottle was what were available - one of the great Riesling icons). Now to give them 4-6 years in the cellar. As well as 3 bottles of my favorite Beajoulais, Foillard's Morgon Cotes de Py in the same vintage. Now I'm pondering going back for some Schæfer-Frøhlich.....
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2014, 03:37:17 AM
Last week I bought a 6-pack of Georg Mosbacher's 2012 GGs. (2 each  of the Ungeheuer, Pechstein and Freundstuck). I'm sure the Sarge knows them.

Oh yeah. I've walked those vineyards and have consumed hundreds of bottles of Forsters, including a couple of Mosbacher's GGs. I love especially the wine from the Ungeheuer. I still recall how sensational von Buhl's 1990 Ungeheuer Spätlese trocken was--the "Gipfel" wine (chosen for and served at a Summit meeting in the early 90s). Mosbacher is one of the great vintners in the Pfalz. I've never bought from him directly but have purchased the occasional bottle in wine shops and often order his wine at a Weinstube in Mrs. Rock's hometown. Our favorite restaurant in Kallstadt (the Kallstadter Hof) also offers Mosbacher.

http://www.kallstadter-hof.de/deutsche-weinstrasse-pfalz.htm

You're correct to let them rest in the cellar a few years. The Pechsteins can be pretty severe in their youth.

As well as a single bottle of Keller's Abtserde ..... (at 90 USD a pop......, anyhow those were rationed and the single bottle was what were available - one of the great Riesling icons).

Keller's wines are mindboggling (as are his prices  ;) ). Germany's greatest vintner? He might get my vote. His estate is a ten minute drive from our house.

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on April 14, 2014, 04:42:34 AM
His estate is a ten minute drive from our house.

Sarge
I kind of guessed so. I drove just by the exit from the Keller's estate (in Dalsheim?) a couple of years ago, it may have been in 2011 on my return from Italy. I remember the sign vividly, the temptation to call on the door was very pronounced. I have a Kirchspiel 2007 in the cellar that might well be ready (though probably a days aeration would do it good before drinking).

In 1997 I stayed in a bed & breakfast in Forst with wife and two kids just a few hundred meters from Mosbacher. I've walked the vineyards in Forst and have driven the Weinstrasse a couple of times.

The von Buhl as well as the Burklin-Wolf Rieslings are regular visitors to my cellar, I've stopped and bought from the Burklin-Wolfs on occasion. Magnificent estate!
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 14, 2014, 05:34:46 AM
I kind of guessed so. I drove just by the exit from the Keller's estate (in Dalsheim?)

Yeah, Flörsheim-Dalsheim, in the Rheinhessen hinterlands.


The von Buhl as well as the Burklin-Wolf Rieslings are regular visitors to my cellar, I've stopped and bought from the Burklin-Wolfs on occasion. Magnificent estate!

Of the famous B's (Biffar, Basserman-Jordan, von Buhl, Bürklin-Wolf) in that area of the Weinstrasse (Wachenheim/Forst/Deidesheim) B-W has been, I think, the most consistently good the last two decades; at least the producer most pleasing to my taste.

Of course von Buhl has the coolest labels though  8)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P4140073_label.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/foodandwine/P4140073_250.jpg)

Sarge
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Post by: The new erato on April 28, 2014, 02:02:57 AM
I added a very few single bottles of 2012s from Schæfer-Frøhlich (Kupfergrube), Dønnhoff (Dellchen), both Nahe, and Wittmann (Brunnenhäuschen).
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Post by: jlaurson on April 28, 2014, 02:27:51 AM
I have become very fond of the Alois GROSS wines from South (East) Styria... their Morillions (Chardonnay) especially. Really restored my faith in Chardonnay, which was left crushed after too many years in the US and not the pocket-depth to enter the Chardonnay range where the US produces the good stuff rather than the Oak-swill that bears that name.

http://www.gross.at/weine__lagen (http://www.gross.at/weine__lagen)
http://gross.at/weine__lagen/sortimentsuebersicht/ratsch_morillon_startin (http://gross.at/weine__lagen/sortimentsuebersicht/ratsch_morillon_startin)
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Post by: The new erato on April 28, 2014, 02:30:32 AM
Oak swill is the main problem. I drink mainly Chablis or the occasional reasonably oaked lower end Bourgogne Blanc when I crave Chardonnay.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 28, 2014, 02:41:22 AM
Oak swill is the main problem. I drink mainly Chablis or the occasional reasonably oaked lower end Bourgogne Blanc when I crave Chardonnay.


My American wine-loving friends gave up Chardonnay many years ago for the reasons you and Jens give (too oaky, too expensive for good bottles). Like me, when they choose an American white, it's usually Sauvignon blanc.

Sarge

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Post by: jlaurson on April 28, 2014, 02:52:26 AM
There is one 2011 Chardonnay (even by that name, not Morillion, because it was exclusively bottled for two restaurants, one in Vienna and one in Hamburg) from Gross that I am *this* close to getting the last 12 bottles. If and when acquired, and if and when one of you are in whatever town I live in then (Vienna for the time being), you must join me for a bottle or two.
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Post by: The new erato on April 28, 2014, 02:58:50 AM
There is one 2011 Chardonnay (even by that name, not Morillion, because it was exclusively bottled for two restaurants, one in Vienna and one in Hamburg) from Gross that I am *this* close to getting the last 12 bottles. If and when acquired, and if and when one of you are in whatever town I live in then (Vienna for the time being), you must join me for a bottle or two.
I have the Wachau on my preliminary schedule for summer 2015  :-) Been there thrice before, last time in 2008 so it is overdue. A favorite spot.

This year it is Northern Spain and the Douro + Madrid.
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Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 28, 2014, 03:00:47 AM
There is one 2011 Chardonnay (even by that name, not Morillion, because it was exclusively bottled for two restaurants, one in Vienna and one in Hamburg) from Gross that I am *this* close to getting the last 12 bottles. If and when acquired, and if and when one of you are in whatever town I live in then (Vienna for the time being), you must join me for a bottle or two.

Thanks...I'll take you up on it if I'm able.

Sarge
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Post by: Bogey on May 04, 2014, 02:44:18 PM
(http://ct-static.com/labels/225764.jpg)

Tonight.Hope I am not too late on this bottle.
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Post by: Brian on July 22, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
My sadly rather small haul from France will hopefully make up, in quality, what it lacks in quantity.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtLt2NuCYAAHyhq.jpg:large)

WHITES
Julien Labet - Fleur de Savagnin '12 - savagnin, Jura. Never heard of this grape at all, and never had a wine from this region. This comes from a single acre vineyard planted in 2003.
Clos Saint-Vincent '12 - bellet (vermentino), just outside Nice. Reputedly age-worthy. (He told me one of the whites was ageable, and I'm 90% sure this was the one.) 6000 bottles, 5 magnums, and 5 jeroboams produced.

REDS
Sebastien Bobinet - Ruben '13 - cabernet franc, Saumur. We don't get Rhone EDIT: Loire reds in Texas. The cheapest bottle at 13 euros.
Francois et Fils '12 - syrah, Cote Rotie. "Smooth and refined, almost like a great pinot," said the shopkeeper.

Plus a crop of jams and a probably very bad beer from the Alsace.
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Post by: The new erato on July 22, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
Savagnin is pretty interesting stuff, and Labet a pretty good producer. Be aware that Savagnin ins not for beginners though, it's dry and pretty demanding stuff! I love it though...., and I will be interested to read your impressions in due time! How did you find France? I spent a couple of days there last week myself (lunching in Sancerre and Champagne among other things).
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