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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by Ken B on Today at 07:20:42 PM »
Don't worry. French orthography has challenges of its own to an Anglophone, especially that habit of not pronouncing final letters, or even worse, hooking it onto the next word.

Fir and fire are sort of logical, since they derive from different roots in the Germanic family. Although pronouncing the i in fir as u might confuse, it seems to reflect the Old Norse word from which our modern word is said to derive.
However miser/misery is totally illogical, since miser directly derives from misery/miserable (stingy people were thought of as miserable people).

French is worse than English for silent letters. In French entire paragraphs are silent. I think Victor Hugo once wrote an entire novel pronounced é.
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening to now?
« Last post by Daverz on Today at 06:22:16 PM »
D'Indy


Very good music, beautifully recorded.  The SNO winds sound better than I've ever heard them on disc.  Interestingly, Souvenirs reminds me somewhat of Magnard.
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The Diner / Re: Worst looking CD/LP artwork
« Last post by André on Today at 06:21:34 PM »
Schéhérazade? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I tried and tried to do the Schéhérazade thing, but all the versions I listened to were very good. I couldn't pick 'em apart. It was disconcerting – and mighty unhelpful. You really don't want to read one review stating something like "Yep, this is very good," followed by another review that says "Yep, this is very good as well."

If I rashly embarked on another complete CD survey, it would more likely be either The Nutcracker or maybe La Mer – or, if I was feeling especially masochistic, The Rite of Spring.

But I'm pleased to say that I don't need to pester other pieces of music because the Planets thing is still a work in progress. I have about five more Planets CDs sitting at home, waiting for me to listen to them. It's just a matter of getting back in the saddle, putting on the headphones, and listening to the little beasties.

Zarathustra then ?  :laugh:

I like the idea of La Mer. That will cut your job in half, timewise !
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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by André on Today at 06:16:01 PM »
Don't worry. French orthography has challenges of its own to an Anglophone, especially that habit of not pronouncing final letters, or even worse, hooking it onto the next word

Fir and fire are sort of logical, since they derive from different roots in the Germanic family. Although pronouncing the i in fir as u might confuse, it seems to reflect the Old Norse word from which our modern word is said to derive.
However miser/misery is totally illogical, since miser directly derives from misery/miserable (stingy people were thought of as miserable people).

That’s called a liaison. As in "dangerous liaisons »  ;)
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening to now?
« Last post by André on Today at 06:12:47 PM »


Boy, does she ever look ill on that picture  ???. Strange, as the real thing has a sepia colouration. Anyhow, goes with the music, I guess. There is an abruptness in her music that must come from the welsh landscapes, I think. Mind you, I’m just surmising. The program notes do mention "national" influences: these works make no use of folksongs or traditional melodies, but their lines are unmistakably moulded by the rythms and cadences of welsh oratory and poetry. Daniel Jones’ music has that kind of bracing cragginess and unpredictable stride in the musical flow.
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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by JBS on Today at 06:03:34 PM »
What I find especially confusing, sometimes maddeningly so, is the inconsistency in the pronunciation of the vowel "i".

Miser, misery, fir, fire. And direct is pronounced differently if an American or an Englishman says it. Go figure... ???

Don't worry. French orthography has challenges of its own to an Anglophone, especially that habit of not pronouncing final letters, or even worse, hooking it onto the next word.

Fir and fire are sort of logical, since they derive from different roots in the Germanic family. Although pronouncing the i in fir as u might confuse, it seems to reflect the Old Norse word from which our modern word is said to derive.
However miser/misery is totally illogical, since miser directly derives from misery/miserable (stingy people were thought of as miserable people).
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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by André on Today at 05:48:55 PM »
Ghoti, pronounced “fish”.

I had to look that one up ;D.
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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by Ken B on Today at 05:46:46 PM »
What I find especially confusing, sometimes maddeningly so, is the inconsistency in the pronunciation of the vowel "i".

Miser, misery, fir, fire. And direct is pronounced differently if an American or an Englishman says it. Go figure... ???
Ghoti, pronounced “fish”.
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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by André on Today at 05:44:28 PM »
What I find especially confusing, sometimes maddeningly so, is the inconsistency in the pronunciation of the vowel "i".

Miser, misery, fir, fire. And direct is pronounced differently if an American or an Englishman says it. Go figure... ???
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The Diner / Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Last post by Cato on Today at 05:09:43 PM »
If I have a beef with Cato, then I have a beef with Cato. But if I have two of them, why don’t I have two beeves with Cato?
 ;) >:D

Thief - thieves, reef - reefs.   8)  Why is English so messed up?

Mouse goes to mice, and louse goes to lice, yet we say "houses" instead of "hice," and "blouses" instead of "blice."  We could also ask why "mouses" is not possible.

Checking my yellowing linguistics books, I think I can deduce that perhaps gender groups from Old English might be involved.  cf.  Das Haus in German is Neuter, but Die Maus is Feminine.  Their plurals are similar, but not the same: Haeuser vs. Maeuse.  (I have no umlaut capability on this computer.)  On the other hand, it might just be one of those things.   :D

People speak languages, and people are not always consistent and logical.  Therefore, our languages have illogical and inconsistent items.   

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