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« on: August 04, 2006, 04:14:51 AM »

I would like to investigate HIP recordings of Haydn symphonies (any)
Who would be your recommended conductor??

As far as I can see these are some of the options:

     Brüggen (Philips)                                       Kuijken (Virgin)                                     
 

Harnoncourt (Teldec/DHM)                                Weil (Sony)
   

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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2006, 05:26:41 AM »

If HIP is an acronym for historical informed performance (just my guess) then I would go for the Pinnock/English Concert Sturm und Drang set. Lean & mean performances but with great dynamism and insight. I also recommend the Hogwood sets especially the early symphonies vol 1-3.



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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2006, 04:41:00 PM »

If HIP is an acronym for historical informed performance (just my guess) then I would go for the Pinnock/English Concert Sturm und Drang set. Lean & mean performances but with great dynamism and insight. I also recommend the Hogwood sets especially the early symphonies vol 1-3.

Right on! Smiley
Thanks for the recommendations.

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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2006, 05:27:39 PM »

My suggestion:

Symphonies 6, 7 and 8 / Harnoncourt, Concentus Musicus

Symphonies 35, 38, 39, 42, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49 51, 58, 59 and 65 / Solomons, L'Estro Armonico

Symphonies 44, 51 and 52 / Bruno Weil, Tafelmusik

Symphonies 60, 70, 90 / Rattle, Birmingham

Symphonies 82 to 87 / Bernstein, NYPO

Symphonies 92 to 98 / Szell, Cleveland

Symphony 94 / Toscanini, NBC

Symphonies 93 to 104 / Jochum, LPO
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2006, 10:15:53 PM »


Kuijken’s Paris symphonies are HIP and very good and available dirt cheap in this special two-fer ($8 from Amazon!).  Try it.  If you like it, then you can go for more from him or Brüggen.  Bernstein, Szell, et al, are hardly HIPsters.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2006, 11:31:03 PM »

I have the complete Solomons set of Sturm & Drang symphonies, and 3 volumes of Hogwood middle-period symphonies.     I am very impressed with all of them.      HIP performance really shines a new light on these works ..... strings, winds and brass so bright and clean.

I especially like the Solomons discs, and he was the first Haydn HIP'ster.      Symph 39 and 45 (Farewell) receive stunning performances;  the dissonances in the brass parts are quite startling !
But I'm not sure if they are still available   (same goes for the Hogwood volumes).

I have heard a lot of good things about the Bruggen London symphs, but I've not managed to find a set.    I'd be interested to hear other opinions about these.         Harnoncourt is also much praised for non-HIP but very original and vivid set of Paris symphonies.    I hear No 82 on the radio and it was wonderful (except for a few typically Harnoncourt foibles with some of the phrasing).

If you can find a Solomons version of the S&D's, don't hesitate!
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2006, 11:43:48 PM »

Kuijken’s Paris symphonies are HIP and very good and available dirt cheap in this special two-fer ($8 from Amazon!).  Try it.  If you like it, then you can go for more from him or Brüggen.  Bernstein, Szell, et al, are hardly HIPsters.

Second David's recommendation on the Kuijken double CD set of the Paris Symphonies - I have that one plus 2 more sets by this conductor, much of which overlaps the larger box set on Virgin shown in the OP - the latter looks like a great deal.  Looking forward to some other recommendations, esp. from the HIPsters on the London Symphonies?  laugh
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2006, 12:11:18 AM »

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I have heard a lot of good things about the Bruggen London symphs, but I've not managed to find a set.   


They are easily available at amazon.com:

try this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005LKEI/sr=8-1/qid=1154700548/ref=sr_1_1/103-8286188-9191850?ie=UTF8

and this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005O840/sr=8-4/qid=1154700548/ref=sr_1_4/103-8286188-9191850?ie=UTF8
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2006, 12:32:56 AM »

Thanks for the links.      I live in France and I was trying through my local online store (FNAC) who don't have these discs.       Amazon will take a little longer to arrive but that's fine.      Have you listened to Bruggen's London Symphs?
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2006, 12:36:22 AM »

Yeah, go for the Toscanini and Jochum. Wink

The selection you have is fine.

Harnoncourt's is the most recent and, as far as I am concerned, a revelation. He includes all the repeats and it works a treat!
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2006, 12:43:03 AM »

Thanks for the links.      I live in France and I was trying through my local online store (FNAC) who don't have these discs.       Amazon will take a little longer to arrive but that's fine.      Have you listened to Bruggen's London Symphs?

I only have 101 and 103 on a single CD. I didn't think there is anything special about it but then again I am not a HIP fan either. I don't like the Philips sonics too much. For some reason both Bruggen and Gardiner have the same murky boxy sonics. Maybe Philips thinks that is the right sound for HIP, who knows. For the London Symphonies my favorites are still Szell, Jochum, Bernstein, and even Colin Davis.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2006, 04:49:48 AM »


Kuijken’s Paris symphonies are HIP and very good and available dirt cheap in this special two-fer ($8 from Amazon!). 

That's a really great set of Paris symphonies!!! Perhaps my favorite Haydn performance of all time. This is Haydn (pardon the expression) with balls!
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2006, 04:36:49 PM »

Bruggen's Londons are wonderful.    Great sound and playing.  You can get these on 2 Philips twofers if you don't want all of his other Haydn.  I didn't like Bruggen's Paris set as much, but the Harnoncourt set is fantastic.  H's other Concentus Musicus recordings are probably worth looking for.  Kuijken is pretty good in the Sturm und Drang ones that I've heard, but I really love the Pinnock set here.  So I guess my recs are London: Bruggen, Paris: Harnoncourt, S&D: Pinnock

Not HIP, but every Haydn fan should get Blum's recordings when Artemis gets around to reissuing these.

I haven't heard any of Solomon's or Weil's recordings nor Kuijken's Paris set.  I have a few Fey discs, but don't really have an opinion yet.
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2006, 01:07:40 AM »

That's a really great set of Paris symphonies!!! Perhaps my favorite Haydn performance of all time. This is Haydn (pardon the expression) with balls!

I second that!  The accounts of the "Channel" Symphonies (the ones between Paris and London) are fantastic too.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2006, 01:30:13 AM »


I especially like the Solomons discs, and he was the first Haydn HIP'ster.      Symph 39 and 45 (Farewell) receive stunning performances;  the dissonances in the brass parts are quite startling !
But I'm not sure if they are still available

I agree about Solomons' Hadyn. I also have Brüggen's Sturm und Drang symphonies as well as Weil, Goodman, Pinnock and Lubbock but it's Solomon I'd take to the desert island. Unfortunately I believe only one disc is currently in print. But really, all these conductors and orchestras are good and you can't go wrong with any HIP version (well, I think Weil can be a tad breathless; he's the least recommendable in my opinion). Harnoncourt rules in the Paris symphonies.

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