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« on: March 06, 2007, 11:15:17 AM »

He's one tough nut to crack but once you get used to his style, ho man. He makes everybody else seem almost redundant. I generally get that feeling only with the likes of Bach, or late Beethoven. Maybe i'm a wierdo, but i'm starting to think this guy is on the same irk, even if his output is pitifully small (particularly if you take out the lieder, which is not exactly one of my favored genres).

Maybe i'm no longer sane...  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 11:41:35 AM »

To a certain extent, I agree with you: once I "got" Webern and listened quite a lot, the music (at least to me) seemed incredibly "right" and beautiful and I listened obsessively for several months. The high Webern concentration did lead to me listening a lot less to other, less tightly-focused and crystaline composers, but after a while that faded.

I'm no longer Webern-obsessed but I still love his music greatly: ultimately there are a few (only a few) 20th century composers I would rank above him.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 11:53:05 AM »

No.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 12:01:56 PM »

No.

Damm!  Todd beat me to my response!  Cry  Too many other options and too difficult a choice -  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 12:04:14 PM »

Albert Einstein merits consideration, among other rather more important people.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 12:20:28 PM »

Albert Einstein merits consideration, among other rather more important people.

Like Joyce Hatto?
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 12:22:46 PM »



I'm no longer Webern-obsessed but I still love his music greatly: ultimately there are a few (only a few) 20th century composers I would rank above him.

Let us know who they are  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 06:03:21 PM »

He makes everybody else seem almost redundant

Hey - that's my standard Janacek line! Angry Grin (Though I like to vary 'redundant' with 'irrelevant' Grin). I can see the case you are making, though, and like edward, part of me agrees with you...until I think about some of the other options.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2007, 07:57:52 PM »

Certainly not. For a start, there are Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Sibelius, Bartok, Shostakovich, Janacek. Webern wasn't even in the same league.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 08:22:30 PM »

I wouldn't consider Webern at the level of Stravinsky, Schönberg, Bartok or Debussy. All these composers were more diversified and to me with a much greater creative dimension.

But Webern is, no doubt, one of the composers I would put immediately after those four, with Berg, Hindemith, Prokofiev, Ravel, Enescu, Frank Martin and some others.

I love above all his music for string quartet: the opus 5, 9 and 28, very pure but also very expressive, with the power of the silence, the art of the allusion.
His works for orchestra, like the opus 6 or 21, although never far from the expressionism, have a purity of colours, even an elegance, that seem very fresh when we compare them to Strauss, Mahler or Shostakovitch. The purity of crystal, but always human, with a strange poetry.

And some of his Choral Works, like the two Cantatas or Augenlicht are on the top of Choral music in the 20th century.

The only part of Webern's production I cannot like are the Lieder. He seems to compose with total indifference for the text. So, why chose an extraordinary poet like Trakl? Why not chose only sounds with no words, no meaning?

This said, after listening to works like Heldenleben or Shostakovitch's 7th, hearing Webern's Symphony opus 21 it is like to feel fresh and pure water, after being submerged in a swamp. Grin
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2007, 09:45:36 PM »

Certainly not. For a start, there are Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Sibelius, Bartok, Shostakovich, Janacek. Webern wasn't even in the same league.


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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2007, 09:48:36 PM »

See what happens if one does NOT compose a violin concerto?

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2007, 10:33:32 PM »

...once I "got" Webern and listened quite a lot, the music (at least to me) seemed incredibly "right" and beautiful...

That's how I feel about Elgar's music.

Webern I haven't explored, unfortunately.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2007, 10:49:48 PM »

That's how I feel about Elgar's music.

Webern I haven't explored, unfortunately.

You should find the time to explore Webern's music, db...and you won't need much time: ten minutes or so and you'll be finished  Grin

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 10:59:44 PM »

He's one tough nut to crack but once you get used to his style, ho man.

I didn't find him anything of a tough nut;  just liked the sound of his music first I heard it.

It is a wonderful wealth in the musical twentieth century, that there were so many musical geniuses, each with his own particular character.  I should have trouble considering any one of them "the greatest";  I might, perhaps, have a bit more trouble considering Webern "the greatest."  But there is no denying his great genius, as a general matter IMO.
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