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« on: February 14, 2006, 10:36:51 AM »

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happy valentines to all. I'm here as a complete newbie! I have had a thing for classical music since I was about 6 (No. 1 Gymnopédie, Erik Satie) but not all classical music pushed my buttons. I have to admit to discarding many as they have connotations of 'Carry on' movies and those damn 'Hovis' ads. Not to mention wedding music. What really gets my juices going is the real agressive stuff, I mean like movie soundtrack pieces like The Aviator (Howard Shore), Godzilla (David Arnold- dreadful movie but the opening titles blew me away- convenient as there was a H bomb exploding!), Star wars (The ever popular John Williams) Rocketeer (Horner). Is this a different genre? I do love chilled albums which have unertones of classical music, they're my favourite but those explosive classics are what blow me away!  Shocked
I've been totally lost and only made the connection between what I was looking for the other month, I was watching my favourite movie Fifth Element. The Blue woman has the most amazing voice in that then she breaks into some sort of weird but enchanting hybrid disco-classical number Roll Eyes

If you have an idea of my tastes please point me in the right direction HMV Oxford street has everything but I cant get them all!

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2006, 10:55:35 AM »

In general, Romantic and early 20th century orchestral works will probably fill the bill.  A few suggestions, with some recommended recordings in parentheses:

Stravinsky: Rite of Spring (Dorati/Decca - this is now on a Penguin Classics CD).
Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet excerpts (Ancerl/Supraphon; remember the play has some fighting between Montagues and Capulets.)
Holst: The Planets
Bartok: Miraculous Mandarin
Janaceck: Sinfonietta (Ancerl/Supraphon)
Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 1 (Rostropovich/Ormandy)
Mussorgsky: Night on Bald Mountain


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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2006, 05:21:45 AM »

In general, Romantic and early 20th century orchestral works will probably fill the bill.  A few suggestions, with some recommended recordings in parentheses:

Stravinsky: Rite of Spring (Dorati/Decca - this is now on a Penguin Classics CD).
Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet excerpts (Ancerl/Supraphon; remember the play has some fighting between Montagues and Capulets.)
Holst: The Planets
Bartok: Miraculous Mandarin
Janaceck: Sinfonietta (Ancerl/Supraphon)
Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 1 (Rostropovich/Ormandy)
Mussorgsky: Night on Bald Mountain

All great suggestions, and welcome, Azrael!

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2006, 06:04:13 AM »

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happy valentines to all. I'm here as a complete newbie! I have had a thing for classical music since I was about 6 (No. 1 Gymnopédie, Erik Satie) but not all classical music pushed my buttons. I have to admit to discarding many as they have connotations of 'Carry on' movies and those damn 'Hovis' ads. Not to mention wedding music. What really gets my juices going is the real agressive stuff, I mean like movie soundtrack pieces like The Aviator (Howard Shore), Godzilla (David Arnold- dreadful movie but the opening titles blew me away- convenient as there was a H bomb exploding!), Star wars (The ever popular John Williams) Rocketeer (Horner). Is this a different genre? I do love chilled albums which have unertones of classical music, they're my favourite but those explosive classics are what blow me away!  Shocked
I've been totally lost and only made the connection between what I was looking for the other month, I was watching my favourite movie Fifth Element. The Blue woman has the most amazing voice in that then she breaks into some sort of weird but enchanting hybrid disco-classical number Roll Eyes

If you have an idea of my tastes please point me in the right direction HMV Oxford street has everything but I cant get them all!

This is the bit where a hologram appears of me on your carpet...."help me GMD you're my only hope!"   Huh
Violent classical! Now that's the stuff!!!!1  Grin

Try Penderecki and Xenakis, too. Best composers who wrote music during the 60s and stuff.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2006, 02:43:07 PM »

For pure and utter violence: Glenn Branca is the only way to go.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2006, 01:55:40 AM »

For pure and utter violence: Glenn Branca is the only way to go.
oh, duh...
how could I forget Branca?  Wink
John Cage called it "devil music." Grin
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2006, 07:27:28 AM »

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Thanks be and Halleluja! thanks for the suggestions a couple I know already so you guys have hit the nail on the head! Cool My partner in crime says I want Opera and not classical Huh Is she right? Am I a fool??! Oh boy this room is great!

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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2006, 07:32:45 AM »

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If you have an idea of my tastes please point me in the right direction HMV Oxford street has everything but I cant get them all!

This is the bit where a hologram appears of me on your carpet...."help me GMD you're my only hope!"   Huh
Tilson-Thomas did a recital of 20th century classical music that absolutely kicks a**!
Ligeti's string quartets on Sony by Arditti will rock you world as well.
Rostropovich's Live LSO rec. of Shostakovich's 5th symphony is dark and the finale is one of the most difficult performances that I've ever listened.
The Schoenberg Quartets by arditti are also great but I think that they are OOP.
The others that I recommended are all about 12.99 in the US.
Good Luck and Enjoy!
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 02:32:26 AM »

i know about an 80th of what other people on this board know, but i would suggest pieces like schuberts unfinished or mozarts requiem? but azreal probably already knwos of these


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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 03:45:03 AM »

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Thanks be and Halleluja! thanks for the suggestions a couple I know already so you guys have hit the nail on the head! Cool My partner in crime says I want Opera and not classical Huh Is she right? Am I a fool??! Oh boy this room is great!

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 Violent opera,try Shostakovich Ledi Makbet of the Mtsensk district,Katerina goes on a killing spree.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 03:52:04 AM »

Violent opera,try Shostakovich Ledi Makbet of the Mtsensk district,Katerina goes on a killing spree.

Also, Richard Strauss; Elektra.

And I am sure there is some Puccini that may fit the bill.

I know Liget has written an opera, but I have yet to hear that.

Schnittke's Life with an Idiot may also fit the bill if you can stand some strong language.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 10:07:24 AM »

Since you like "the real agressive stuff" with a heavy dramatic flair, I think you'll enjoy much of Wagner's orchestral music.  Start with Ride of the Valkyries from Die Walküre.  Try also the Overture to Der Fliegende Hollander; Entry of the Gods into Valhalla (from Das Rheingold); and Wotan's Farewell and Magic Fire Music (from Die Walküre) . . . . . . and there's lots, lots more . . . . . .
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2006, 12:52:23 AM »

I know Liget has written an opera, but I have yet to hear that.

Schnittke's Life with an Idiot may also fit the bill if you can stand some strong language.


Ligeti's opera is called L'Grand Macabre. Haven't heard it either. But from what I hear, I probably don't want to.
How bad is the language in Life With an Idiot? Is the f word used? I know it was used in Powder Her Face, which really caught me offguard.  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2006, 01:25:19 PM »

Ligeti's opera is called L'Grand Macabre. Haven't heard it either. But from what I hear, I probably don't want to.
How bad is the language in Life With an Idiot? Is the f word used? I know it was used in Powder Her Face, which really caught me offguard.  Grin

I don't recall if the F word was used.

Powder Her Face was composed by who?
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 02:49:52 AM »

I don't recall if the F word was used.

Powder Her Face was composed by who?
Thomas Ades.  Smiley
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