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Florestan

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Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on March 23, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
The idea that giving it up in order to then actually communicate well with the target audience was a fine and honorable one.

Mass attendance has halved in the last four decades since Vatican II. (1) How can this be [...], when all changes in the Church were made in the name of making the Mass more appealing to the people – changing it from Latin to English, turning the altars around, involving the laity with dialogue and activities, permitting popular songs and guitars?


EDIT: I am Eastern Orthodox not Roman Catholic, but having attended the RC conciliar mass and the RC baptismal service I see where Catholic Tradiionalists are coming from.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

SurprisedByBeauty

Quote from: Florestan on March 23, 2017, 06:39:52 AM
Mass attendance has halved in the last four decades since Vatican II. (1) How can this be [...], when all changes in the Church were made in the name of making the Mass more appealing to the people – changing it from Latin to English, turning the altars around, involving the laity with dialogue and activities, permitting popular songs and guitars?


EDIT: I am Eastern Orthodox not Roman Catholic, but having attended the RC conciliar mass and the RC baptismal service I see where Catholic Tradiionalists are coming from.

1.) Correlation, not causation.  Abetted by incompetence. And guitars and/or sandals were not proscribed by VII. That was part of the local choice. And somehow a lot of Lutheran et al. congregations fared well with it... perhaps that's why it was copied.

San Antone

As much as I appreciate the discussion sparked by my post, my article was more about the St. Gregory Society Schola recordings of Palestrina (also Victoria, Lassus and Desprez) - which are all excellent, especially considering they are an "amateur" choir (they've been doing this for 20+ years). 

Hearing the polyphony with all the surrounding chant and propers offers a unique and contextually accurate experience.  The recordings are highly recommended for those not put off by the liturigical setting.

;)

SurprisedByBeauty

Quote from: sanantonio on March 23, 2017, 07:39:40 AM
As much as I appreciate the discussion sparked by my post, my article was more about the St. Gregory Society Schola recordings of Palestrina (also Victoria, Lassus and Desprez) - which are all excellent, especially considering they are an "amateur" choir (they've been doing this for 20+ years). 

Hearing the polyphony with all the surrounding chant and propers offers a unique and contextually accurate experience.  The recordings are highly recommended for those not put off by the liturigical setting.

;)

We just need the smallest of excuses.  8)

Florestan

Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on March 23, 2017, 07:20:26 AM
1.) Correlation, not causation.  Abetted by incompetence. And guitars and/or sandals were not proscribed by VII. That was part of the local choice. And somehow a lot of Lutheran et al. congregations fared well with it... perhaps that's why it was copied.

Whatever the reasons, it is obvious that the Protestantization of Catholicism was quite detrimental to the latter --- as it was only to be expected. Thank God the Eastern Orthodox Churches eschewed any such sort of doctrinal innovations and aggiornamento.

Sorry for the off topic. Carry on as usual, gents.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini


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Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on March 19, 2017, 09:34:10 AM


80 (!) different Mozart Piano Sonata Cycles exist, by my count.

So I just ordered one of the Tilney disks (Vol 2), see how that goes. He is not an artist whose work I am just overrun with, so I have virtually no preconceptions.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :)

8)
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San Antone

THE HIDDEN BAROQUE : BJÖRN SCHMELZER, PETER PAUL RUBENS AND ORAZIO VECCHI



Schmelzer uses narrative concepts for his recordings and interpretations, spinning webs of associations and cross references between periods, styles and genres.  For his latest, he wishes to contrast the prima prattica polyphony (echoing an earlier time) and the Baroque painting style of Rubens, at whose funeral he posits the music was performed:  "The deceased person inside the coffin was no less than the most famous of all Baroque painters, Peter Paul Rubens, and it is highly plausible that the Requiem Mass performed by the choir of the cathedral at this solemn occasion was an eight-part work including a polyphonic Dies irae, which had been printed in Antwerp 28 years beforehand and written by the Italian composer Orazio Vecchi".

HIPster

Quote from: sanantonio on March 25, 2017, 05:50:17 PM
THE HIDDEN BAROQUE : BJÖRN SCHMELZER, PETER PAUL RUBENS AND ORAZIO VECCHI



Schmelzer uses narrative concepts for his recordings and interpretations, spinning webs of associations and cross references between periods, styles and genres.  For his latest, he wishes to contrast the prima prattica polyphony (echoing an earlier time) and the Baroque painting style of Rubens, at whose funeral he posits the music was performed:  "The deceased person inside the coffin was no less than the most famous of all Baroque painters, Peter Paul Rubens, and it is highly plausible that the Requiem Mass performed by the choir of the cathedral at this solemn occasion was an eight-part work including a polyphonic Dies irae, which had been printed in Antwerp 28 years beforehand and written by the Italian composer Orazio Vecchi".

A wonderful read, sanantonio:)

I can hardly wait to give this recording a spin.  Hopefully soon.  ;)

Thanks.
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