Two Shoes

[drogulus]

     I think about 80,000 French Jews were sent to the camps and something over 2,000 survived. The Germans did help out on some occasions, but most of the work was done by the French officials.

     Ah, the Free Zone....you could say the French occupied themselves before we occupied them.

     Gertrude Stein had an interesting war in France. She wrote an introduction to Pétain's speeches. A Jewish Lesbian American writer compared Marshall Pétain to George Washington. What can one say? I hope she and Alice got their investment back. They weren't bothered during the war, so it looks like they did.
     

[Dundonnell]

The French surrended to the Germans while England kept fighting, The English and French have allways distrusted each other and even to day there is little love lost this is a map of France under occupation

With the greatest respect......."while Britain kept fighting"! The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish were involved as well

[Dancing Divertimentian]

     For the sake of brevity we might start with a film. That OK with everyone? The documentary by Marcel Carne The Sorrow and the Pity (Le Chagrin et la pitié) tells the story of the Resistance and the collaborators. Louis Malle made a slightly fictionalized treatment of the French roundup of Jews (schoolchildren), Au revoir les enfants.

     

     Here you see members of the 33. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS Charlemagne (französische Nr. 1). They were volunteers. There was no draft for the German army in France.

     For books this looks good, but I haven't read it.

     

     I'm at a slight disadvantage with recommending books since my knowledge comes from a lifetime fascination with the Second World War rather than some earth-shaking revelation recently encountered. I'm one of those sons of fathers who witnessed history and participated in it. Anyway people who know about that period in history know what I'm talking about. For most of you I might as well be talking about the Wars of the Roses, I guess. Anyway the info is there if you want it. Then you can come back and dispute my interpretation. Of course by then you'll know better.

What I see here is a classic example of bullocks. You can't possibly claim the numbers you do and then come back with "I'm a WWII buff so you should believe me".

I hate to break it to you but this is classic troll material.

[Andante]

With the greatest respect......."while Britain kept fighting"! The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish were involved as well

I said Britain aka Great Britain, that is England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales

[Dundonnell]

I said Britain aka Great Britain, that is England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales

No...sorry. Your original post read "The French surrendered to the Germans while England kept fighting". I should have been clearer!

I was simply making the point that it was not just England that remained in the war. The other parts of the United Kingdom get a little upset by the use of 'England' in this sort of context

[Andante]

No...sorry. Your original post read "The French surrendered to the Germans while England kept fighting". I should have been clearer!

I was simply making the point that it was not just England that remained in the war. The other parts of the United Kingdom get a little upset by the use of 'England' in this sort of context

I apologise,  I don't know why I said England, I meant and thought that I had said Britain. A Freudian slip perhaps, if that is what you call it.

[Dundonnell]

I apologise,  I don't know why I said England, I meant and thought that I had said Britain. A Freudian slip perhaps, if that is what you call it.

No problems

[knight66]

Not to worry, the English do it all the time.

Mike

[Dundonnell]

Not to worry, the English do it all the time.

Mike

Unfortunately, that is true Never mind, with a Scottish Prime Minister and a Scottish Chancellor of the Exchequer and a Scottish Speaker of the House of Commons we do tend to leave our mark

[knight66]

Yes, The Tartan Mafia; I think the English could argue that we have been wrecking our revenge on them. Even if justified, I think it has gone a bit far.

Mike