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Karl Henning

Quote from: Karl Henning on January 17, 2025, 08:33:25 PMI've listened to the first disc, which is the speculatively "reconstructed" album itself. Enjoyable, plenty of good stuff. I'm suppressing a weak tendency to prejudice against the project. After all, in the first place, recordings/performances which are worth hearing have been made available to us. And in the second, the methodology is on the same lines of Burnt Weeny Sandwich and Weasels Rip My Flesh. I'm still mulling.
Welp, and when we got to track 12, the sound cut out several times. Defective disc? I've ripped it, and am now listening to the track via Media Monkey to check. The problem may be my machine? It's very old, to be sure. And now, it won't even receive the disc to play at all. Other discs still play fine. And the erstwhile uncooperative track plays on Media Monkey fine. Do I really care if that one disc and my machine don't get along?...
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Well, it looks like the 50th anniversary Over-Nite Sensation box will land today, exactly a week earlier than expected. That's obviously cool. Watch This Space.

Separately, much as I love Zappa's œuvre, a short list of songs which, if I never heard them again, I'm not sure I'd ever miss "em:
"Titties 'n' Beer"
"Honey, Don't You Want a Man Like Me?"
"Bobby Brown"
"Dinah-Mo Hum"
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Karl Henning on January 22, 2025, 10:58:28 AMWell, it looks like the 50th anniversary Over-Nite Sensation box will land today, exactly a week earlier than expected. That's obviously cool. Watch This Space.

Separately, much as I love Zappa's œuvre, a short list of songs which, if I never heard them again, I'm not sure I'd ever miss "em:
"Titties 'n' Beer"
"Honey, Don't You Want a Man Like Me?"
"Bobby Brown"
"Dinah-Mo Hum"
Also:
"Punky's Whips"
"Stevie's Spanking"
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Karl Henning on January 22, 2025, 10:58:28 AMWell, it looks like the 50th anniversary Over-Nite Sensation box will land today, exactly a week earlier than expected. That's obviously cool. Watch This Space.

Separately, much as I love Zappa's œuvre, a short list of songs which, if I never heard them again, I'm not sure I'd ever miss "em:
"Titties 'n' Beer"
"Honey, Don't You Want a Man Like Me?"
"Bobby Brown"
"Dinah-Mo Hum"
Quote from: Karl Henning on January 22, 2025, 10:58:28 AMWell, it looks like the 50th anniversary Over-Nite Sensation box will land today, exactly a week earlier than expected. That's obviously cool. Watch This Space.
Et voilà!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Karl Henning on January 18, 2025, 11:11:02 AMDo I really care if that one disc and my machine don't get along?...
They actually made access to customer svc pretty easy. They're going to send a fresh copy. (Not to be a Darryl Downer, but we shall see if the new discs behave as they ought.)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

The recto of the CD 3 sleeve of the Over-Nite Sensation box. Lo! the master tape containing "Funky Nothingness." My curiosity is piqued by "Ponty March," sure
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

AnotherSpin

Over-Nite Sensation manages to cram in almost everything I find off-putting about Zappa: cringeworthy, childish humor that barely scrapes the bottom of the barrel, simplistic little ditties played with mechanical precision, and an endless, hollow posturing as if it's all oh-so-clever and profound. It's almost fitting that Tina and the Ikettes weren't credited — one imagines they preferred to spare themselves the secondhand embarrassment. Revisiting the album after so many years, I couldn't help but feel a peculiar mix of nostalgia and regret, as though dusting off an old joke book only to realize it was never funny to begin with. At least it's mercifully short — small blessings, I suppose.

Karl Henning

Quote from: AnotherSpin on January 23, 2025, 06:56:14 PMOver-Nite Sensation manages to cram in almost everything I find off-putting about Zappa: cringeworthy, childish humor that barely scrapes the bottom of the barrel, simplistic little ditties played with mechanical precision, and an endless, hollow posturing as if it's all oh-so-clever and profound. It's almost fitting that Tina and the Ikettes weren't credited — one imagines they preferred to spare themselves the secondhand embarrassment. Revisiting the album after so many years, I couldn't help but feel a peculiar mix of nostalgia and regret, as though dusting off an old joke book only to realize it was never funny to begin with. At least it's mercifully short — small blessings, I suppose.
There's much to object to, certainly. 
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

AnotherSpin

Curious if anyone's ever explained why the material recorded at the same time got split between two albums—especially when the second always struck me as far more interesting? At least, that's how I've felt for years. Now I'm almost afraid to prove myself wrong ;)

San Antone

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Quote from: AnotherSpin on January 23, 2025, 06:56:14 PMOver-Nite Sensation manages to cram in almost everything I find off-putting about Zappa: cringeworthy, childish humor that barely scrapes the bottom of the barrel, simplistic little ditties played with mechanical precision, and an endless, hollow posturing as if it's all oh-so-clever and profound. It's almost fitting that Tina and the Ikettes weren't credited — one imagines they preferred to spare themselves the secondhand embarrassment. Revisiting the album after so many years, I couldn't help but feel a peculiar mix of nostalgia and regret, as though dusting off an old joke book only to realize it was never funny to begin with. At least it's mercifully short — small blessings, I suppose.

Too bad.  I don't feel that way at all. 

I remember hearing it for the first time and really enjoying the humor and attitude.  "I'm The Slime" was my favorite since at the time I was going through an anti-television period (which lasted for a number of years).  I also like "Montana" quite a bit, still do.  I enjoy the entire album, and really like how he sequenced the songs.

I tire more easily of the long jams, I much prefer his concise songs - but I like most of what he did, I just don't listen to it much anymore.  I should, since every time I dip my toe in a smile appears on my face.  Generally a good sign.

Oh, and from what I read, Tina Turner was into it, and enjoyed the challenging music. It was Ike who didn't want anything about him (including Tina who he thought of has his property) to be linked to Zappa.

Karl Henning

Quote from: San Antone on January 23, 2025, 07:12:08 PMToo bad.  I don't feel that way at all. 

I remember hearing it for the first time and really enjoying the humor and attitude.  "I'm The Slime" was my favorite since at the time I was going through an anti-television period (which lasted for a number of years).  I also like "Montana" quite a bit, still do.  I enjoy the entire album, and really like how he sequenced the songs.

I tire more easily of the long jams, I much prefer his concise songs - but I like most of what he did, I just don't listen to it much anymore.  I should, since every time I dip my toe in a smile appears on my face.  Generally a good sign.

Oh, and from what I read, Tina Turner was into it, and enjoyed the challenging music. It was Ike who didn't want anything about him (including Tina who he thought of has his property) to be linked to Zappa.
Thanks! I've enjoyed the album overall better than I quite expected. (Among Zappa's albums I don't often reach for this 'un.) "I'm the Slime," "Zomby Woof" and "Montana" are all great. 
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

AnotherSpin

Quote from: San Antone on January 23, 2025, 07:12:08 PMToo bad.  I don't feel that way at all. 

I remember hearing it for the first time and really enjoying the humor and attitude.  "I'm The Slime" was my favorite since at the time I was going through an anti-television period (which lasted for a number of years).  I also like "Montana" quite a bit, still do.  I enjoy the entire album, and really like how he sequenced the songs.

I tire more easily of the long jams, I much prefer his concise songs - but I like most of what he did, I just don't listen to it much anymore.  I should, since every time I dip my toe in a smile appears on my face.  Generally a good sign.

Oh, and from what I read, Tina Turner was into it, and enjoyed the challenging music. It was Ike who didn't want anything about him (including Tina who he thought of has his property) to be linked to Zappa.

I played I'm the Slime on endless repeat when I first brought the LP home in the mid-'70s. Back then, I was hooked on Zappa — he was so bizarre and miles apart from the run-of-the-mill rock music I was into at the time. But now? Time's marched on, and let's just say my take on him isn't quite the same anymore.

Crudblud

I think the album (along with Apostrophe) overall pales in comparison to One Size Fits All, which might be Zappa's best "rock" album, but Montana will always be fantastic, and the Tina Turner/Ikettes cameo is spectacular in my opinion.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Crudblud on January 24, 2025, 10:46:58 AMI think the album (along with Apostrophe) overall pales in comparison to One Size Fits All, which might be Zappa's best "rock" album, but Montana will always be fantastic, and the Tina Turner/Ikettes cameo is spectacular in my opinion.
Agreed on all points. 
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

AnotherSpin

During the time I was into Zappa, I really liked One Size Fits All as well. I'd probably agree that, along with Apostrophe, these are my favorite Zappa albums from the '70s. Plus Joe's Garage.

AnotherSpin

I'd also add Bongo Fury and Zappa in New York (LP version).

Karl Henning

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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot