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Quote from: Todd on March 04, 2023, 11:40:21 AMThe best things in life are free.
Quote from: Tori AmosI remember a couple of years ago when one of the musicians said to me, "I think music should be free." And I was just not in the mood to deal with yet another genius, but I did, and I said, "Well, you have made the question bout where to send your check easy for me to answer." "Um," said the musician, "what do you mean?" I answered, "We weren't sure whether to send your check to your address or to your girlfriend's address, but now you've answered my question for me." "I'm not quite following you, Tor," he said. "Well, obviously since you believe that music should be free, then we won't need to send you your check." The musician looked at me incredulously, and with shock in his voice said, "But I've just played my heart out." I looked at him very calmly and said, "So you think you should get paid but music should be free?" "Well, yeah," he said. "And so who do you think is going to pay you if music is free?" I asked. And therein lies the problem -- everybody wants free stuff but nobody wants to work for free. The truth is, all the people who have ever told me that music should be free still believe that they should be paid for their job, whatever that job may be. They are completely insulted when I suggest that they work for free as well. People usually get quite defensive at this point and say, "If I don't get paid for a day's work, then basically I'm being cheated." And I look at them and say, "That is basically right." This musician sheepishly looked at me and said, "I guess I sound pretty hypocritical... but Tor, you're kidding, right?" And I said, "You mean about you not getting paid? Of course I'm going to pay you, because I value what you do. But do you want to know what scares me, and I mean really scares me?" And he looked at me completely baffled and said, "No, what really scares you?" "The fact," I said, "that you weren't kidding." [Tori Amos: Piece by Piece]
Quote from: DavidW on March 04, 2023, 08:37:19 AMI found this video really helpful, watched it awhile ago. David Bruce is a classical composer and we see an insider look into these questions we are currently exploring on this thread.
Quote from: vandermolen on March 04, 2023, 11:40:36 PMExcuse my ignorance but what is the difference between 'streaming' and 'download'?
Quote from: Madiel on March 04, 2023, 11:56:53 PMA download is a file in your possession. A stream is sent to you as you listen. Like a broadcast, only it isn't necessarily broad, often it's just going to you personally when you've chosen it.You can buy downloads just as you would buy physical media. Streaming services are generally where you pay a monthly fee for access.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on March 05, 2023, 12:19:44 AMAs someone who has spent their entire life as a performing/professional musician I actually find the Tori Amos story slightly hard to believe. In the sense that I do not recognise the position of the band colleague ("Music should be free") as coming from a player. For sure we want EVERYONE to be able to experience the music we perform (and hopefully love) but not for "free".
Quote95% at least of the Bosworth catalogue was literally junked - I mean LITERALLY thrown into skips with them cherry-picking the tiny part of the catalogue they felt could still be monetised. Since there was no economic benefit in UMP keeping an archive or record of the music that was not considered commercially viable almost overnight a whole raft of music was lost. My guess is that this is the fate of Hyperion and similar labels that have been bought out. Of course it must be a business and not a charity but the concern must be that material is lost simply because it is deemed not financially viable to maintain.
Quote from: Madiel on March 05, 2023, 01:21:14 AMI always took that this was a somewhat thoughtless remark he made in a larger conversation where he was very much thinking about the music that he listened to, not the music that he performed.This might well happen to physical CDs and we'll never see another physical Hyperion product. But I do wonder, though, whether it would make any sense to pull down the downloads - not necessarily the Hyperion website, but their stuff is available to buy on iTunes for example. How much does it cost to keep things like that uploaded? I wouldn't have thought it was much. I'm not entirely certain how much of Hyperion's catalogue is already for sale that way. While relevant companies will happily tell us how much is available online, they've often been shockingly bad at going back to capture things that were released prior to when the fancy online system went live. But, for example, a Hyperion Medtner album where the physical discs are long deleted and I paid excessively for about the only copy I could find on the globe... I could have had it easily enough on iTunes.These days it's a lot harder for things to become completely lost, thanks to the internet. Heck, there's always filesharing. But even with all that it can be a challenge for relatively niche things.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on March 05, 2023, 01:27:58 AMNow of course there is a poacher/gamekeeper thing there that such sharing does not give the composer/artists a royalty in recognition of their work but the truth is without such sharing much would literally be lost.
Quote from: Madiel on March 03, 2023, 05:14:02 PMThere is a serious underlying issue here about how cheap people want their music to be and yet still expect creators to be able to afford to create.
Quote from: aukhawk on March 05, 2023, 03:44:24 AMFortunately musicians are addicted to making music. And there are other people with microphones. And then there are lawyers.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on March 05, 2023, 12:19:44 AMThe simple truth is that for any composer/performer you will NEVER receive a fee that is commensurate with the amount of time it has taken to produce the composition or the recording of that composition.
Quote from: aukhawk on March 05, 2023, 03:44:24 AMFortunately musicians are addicted to making music.
Quote from: DavidW on February 27, 2023, 07:05:40 AMIs the set finally complete? It seems like they were still recording them. The cds are mostly oop, including even recent releases so I'm about to bite the bullet and start buying digital downloads.
Quote from: DavidW on March 06, 2023, 06:15:07 AMI just discovered that I bought one of the Simpson SQ cds from BRO and forgot!
Quote from: DavidW on March 06, 2023, 06:15:07 AMI just discovered that I bought one of the Simpson SQ cds from BRO and forgot! I pulled it out ready for a listen when I have the time.
Quote from: Todd on March 06, 2023, 06:41:09 AMYou have arrived at the point where you have forgotten you own recordings. There is but one cure for this: buy more recordings.
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