Mozart a fraud?

[Haffner]

He kept private messaging me. I was amazed that he didn't seem to have anything better to do. I tried to be polite but...'nuff said.

[eyeresist]

As to Newman turning up at Magle, I was among the first to engage him there. This was because I'd always assumed he was the more reasonable of the long-running double-act that is Corkin & Newman. However, now everything Rod told me about Robert in private - Newman's wild conspiracy theories and multiple forum bans - appears to check out. Maybe I should email Rod and apologise for once saying I'd rather have dinner and conversation with Robert than with him ...

You can't always immediately tell who the loonies are (as I recently found out).

[Gurn Blanston]

Reading Holly's and Sorin's posts in this thread has reminded me of the exchanges I witnessed between Rod and Robert over at Classical Music Mayhem when I was there briefly as a member. My leaving that forum had nothing to do with the ridiculous arguments the pair seemed to enjoy having (Newman making unbelievable claims, thus goading Corkin into threats of a ban), but because I asked to be deregistered when Rod started editing - inaccurately - my perfectly legitimate posts. He and I then traded a few choice words by email before I put his address into a anti-spam filter. Even then, I kept getting mails once a month from his forum.

As to Newman turning up at Magle, I was among the first to engage him there. This was because I'd always assumed he was the more reasonable of the long-running double-act that is Corkin & Newman. However, now everything Rod told me about Robert in private - Newman's wild conspiracy theories and multiple forum bans - appears to check out. Maybe I should email Rod and apologise for once saying I'd rather have dinner and conversation with Robert than with him ...

FK

I've known Rod for 7 years, and Newman for about 3. Your final conclusion is a far closer mirror of the reality of the situation than your earlier one. Rod would hate to see me say this, and many who don't know him would disagree, but he is actually a nice guy, albeit ferociously opinionated. Despite the veneer of civility that glosses the Newman persona, I see nothing to value there.



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Listening to:
RV 610 Magnificat in g - Vivaldi, Antonio - RV 610 Magnificat in g pt 08 - Allegro ma non poco: Sicut locutus est

[Kuhlau]

I've known Rod for 7 years, and Newman for about 3. Your final conclusion is a far closer mirror of the reality of the situation than your earlier one. Rod would hate to see me say this, and many who don't know him would disagree, but he is actually a nice guy, albeit ferociously opinionated. Despite the veneer of civility that glosses the Newman persona, I see nothing to value there.

Dammit. I feel an apology email coming on ...

FK

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Dammit. I feel an apology email coming on ...

FK

I need a tissue. 

[Kuhlau]

Anyone?

FK

[Holly]

Anyone?

FK

That thread has been locked, as also has the Original thread. There were a few other posts on the KV 448 thread but they have been deleted, and all that's left remaining is Newman's opening piece.  It seems clear that Magle management don't want any of this to develop any further. 

[sporkadelic]

What did these people do before the Web?  Ah, the mysteries of the human mind.

[Haffner]

What did these people do before the Web?  Ah, the mysteries of the human mind.

Aye.

[robnewman]

My first thread here.

Just to confirm that after almost 15 years I'm close to finishing a book on the life, career and reputation of W.A. Mozart. Which is of course the best reply to critics, both learned and foolish.  I hope my work makes a small contribution to music lovers realising that the icons of Easter lsland have their exact equivalent in the musical realm with the official careers of W.A. Mozart, Joseph Haydn, and even Ludwig van Beethoven - figures about which we are largely ignorant but which tower over the field of music, musicology and cultural history as icons to an absurd, even ridiculous degree. But questioning the 'gods of the state' and challenging the vast industry that surrounds and has always has surrounded them is no easy thing.

Anyway, best wishes and thanks.

R.E. Newman
'The Manufacture of Mozart'

[Christie]

Hello Rob.

I find your theory very interesting. I know you will be unable to supply all or even a great deal of your evidence to us here for the purposes of preserving the integrity of your forthcoming book, and also to avoid copyright issues with prospective publishers. However I hope you will be kind enough to give us some "teasers" so to speak with a few suggestions of your argument. The reason I say this is that I have actually, working independently (obviously we don't know each other) come to similar conclusions. My research has led me to the M. F. Shaffer wing of the Institute Library at the Mozarteum, Salzburg, where for the past several years I have been engaged in observation of primary materials related to Herr Mozart's alleged Life-work. I am not publishing my results, and certainly have not begun to incorporate them into anything like the body of work you are working on, but I am thrilled to hear that your research has led you to a similar conclusion. I hope that our exchange here can be mutually supportive and that we can compare records, so to speak, in this matter.

After all it is, as they say, better to have two Goliaths than One.

I hope to hear from you soon.

[matti]

Sometimes it happens. You notice nobody will play wíth you, so you decide... well, to play with yourself. Nothing wrong with that.

[Dr. Dread]

Sometimes it happens. You notice nobody will play wíth you, so you decide... well, to play with yourself.

[karlhenning]

Don't knock masturbation! It's sex with someone I love.

[snyprrr]

I did actually have a Mozart question. Will the real Mozart thread please stand up?

[robnewman]

Speaker ....''and there is the distinct possibility that people will have, and may even get used to, more than one version of Mozart''.   - (nervous giggling) - (guest speaker fades out as his picture breaks up) -

Producer -  'Quick' ! - (Nervous waving of his hands) - Commercial break - Cornflakes ad -

Return to studio from Cornflakes Ad  -

Guest 1 - (nervously) - 'That was a close shave, Fred' !

Guest 2 - ''Attacking experts like that - why, it's scandalous - let's crack a joke '' !!!

Producer - 'Fred ! Steady with that St Nepomuk icon - you almost dropped it !'. - continues -

'And now, even more culture and education.......'

Camera shakily pans to Rome -

'It was here where the boy, from memory, wrote down an entire mass. And wrote an opera... before breakfast'.

lol !

//




http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/03mar/RICR-090329.php

[karlhenning]

Speaker ....''and there is the distinct possibility that people will have, and may even get used to, more than one version of Mozart''.   - (nervous giggling) - (guest speaker fades out as his picture breaks up) -

Producer -  'Quick' ! - (Nervous waving of his hands) - Commercial break - Cornflakes ad -

Return to studio from Cornflakes Ad  -

Guest 1 - (nervously) - 'That was a close shave, Fred' !

Guest 2 - ''Attacking experts like that - why, it's scandalous - let's crack a joke '' !!!

Producer - 'Fred ! Steady with that St Nepomuk icon - you almost dropped it !'. - continues -

'And now, even more culture and education.......'

Camera shakily pans to Rome -

'It was here where the boy, from memory, wrote down an entire mass. And wrote an opera... before breakfast'.

lol !

//

Nothing to see here, folks. Move on.

[Opus106]

Nothing to see here, folks. Move on.

I wouldn't have come here in the first place if you had not posted that.

[DavidRoss]

Oh, this is that fruitcake who pops up on sites like this from time to time to peddle his crackpot claims.  Too bad his material is so stale that it's not even good for a chuckle, let alone the guffaws it merits.

[Dundonnell]

The lunatics are taking over the asylum