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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4700 on: April 17, 2020, 07:28:16 AM »
According to Martin Kippenberger

https://www.phillips.com/detail/martin-kippenberger/NY010606/171

Should that be?



Or "The difference between Casanova and Jesus: the facial expression when being nailed." But we're talking about a title of a work of art, translated from German.
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« Reply #4701 on: April 17, 2020, 07:46:54 AM »
By the way, is being nailed the same as being screwed? Is that what makes Kippenberger’s comment interesting?
No. Nailed is pinned down, in a detrimental way. Who paid for the last supper? Jesus got nailed for it.  Being screwed is just being in a bad position with few options.

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« Reply #4702 on: April 17, 2020, 07:56:13 AM »
No. Nailed is pinned down, in a detrimental way. Who paid for the last supper? Jesus got nailed for it.  Being screwed is just being in a bad position with few options.

Slang usage must be significantly different among different parts of the country.  My experience is that both sets of definitions--KAGA's and the sexual ones--are generally used, although "nailed" often has positive meaning (f.i. "He nailed that assignment" implies a superior result).

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4703 on: April 17, 2020, 08:34:00 AM »


But we're talking about a title of a work of art, translated from German.

Hopefully a German speaker can explain the connotations of Der Gesichtsausdruck beim Nageln which make Kippenberger's remark interesting.

(Not the title, which is Fred the Frog Rings the Bell)



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« Reply #4704 on: April 17, 2020, 08:37:27 AM »
Slang usage must be significantly different among different parts of the country.  My experience is that both sets of definitions--KAGA's and the sexual ones--are generally used, although "nailed" often has positive meaning (f.i. "He nailed that assignment" implies a superior result).

Are for me, being screwed could mean "having sex" -- and that came to mind because of the mention of Cassanova. And I was wondering if, in The States, you could say "being nailed" for sex (you can't in Britain, at least not in my house.)

Also the title is Fred the Frog Rings the Bell. I think when you ring someone's bell, it may mean, you screw nail make love to them.

But as North Star rightly points out, we need to understand the meaning of Nageln.
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« Reply #4705 on: April 17, 2020, 08:43:49 AM »
Who is Fred the Frog?
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4706 on: April 17, 2020, 09:51:45 AM »
By the way, is being nailed the same as being screwed? Is that what makes Kippenberger’s comment interesting?

I didn't think so, in the case of Casanova.  It would be the girl who was, erm, nailed.
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« Reply #4707 on: April 17, 2020, 09:55:40 AM »
Are for me, being screwed could mean "having sex" -- and that came to mind because of the mention of Cassanova. And I was wondering if, in The States, you could say "being nailed" for sex (you can't in Britain, at least not in my house.)

Also the title is Fred the Frog Rings the Bell. I think when you ring someone's bell, it may mean, you screw nail make love to them.

But as North Star rightly points out, we need to understand the meaning of Nageln.

I thought it might mean "dying", like "kick the bucket". Perhaps when at death's door, the moment of death may be symbolized by ringing the doorbell. And there is the most common meaning of evoking a (possibly indistinct) memory ("that picture rings a bell for me"). But Urban Dictionary gives a totally different explanation
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In what is internally referred to as "The Business" (ie. any of the multitude of direct sales offices that sprung out of DS-Max, Cydcor, Granton, Smartcircle, Credico etc.), this is a term referring to hitting ones sales goal of selling enough to earn $100 personal profit for the day. This can equate to a certain number of sales dependent upon the campaign. For example, if one earns $50 commission per sale and then "ringing the bell" entails closing two sales.

This is not only an idiomatic expression as it refers to the literal ringing of a bell after returning to the office from a day in the field. All reps who earned the minimum $100 profit ring a large bell signifying their results and are congratulated by their fellow sales reps in a raucous, high-energy ceremony

And there's the song Ring My Bell, by Anita Ward.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4708 on: April 17, 2020, 10:24:51 AM »
Slang usage must be significantly different among different parts of the country.  My experience is that both sets of definitions--KAGA's and the sexual ones--are generally used, although "nailed" often has positive meaning (f.i. "He nailed that assignment" implies a superior result).
Oh I fully agree, but I thought his context was being the object not the subject. Doing the nailing is good, being nailed not so much.

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« Reply #4709 on: April 17, 2020, 10:27:40 AM »
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screwed could mean "having sex"

That is very common yes.

So can almost any phrase really. My second year textbook had pages and pages of examples.

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« Reply #4710 on: April 17, 2020, 07:33:26 PM »
I took it as sexual and would probably have thought it funny when I was about 14 :-[.
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4711 on: April 17, 2020, 11:39:54 PM »
You guys are wasting too much time analyzing a piece of shit.
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« Reply #4712 on: April 18, 2020, 12:42:48 AM »
You guys are wasting too much time analyzing a piece of shit.

This is true, though it did lead me to the story of Casanova's imprisonment and escape, which I didn't know about (I know nothing about Casanova.)

The CD which led me to the picture which led me to Deleuze's concept of "bare repetition", which may be another piece of shit.
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« Reply #4713 on: April 18, 2020, 12:47:20 AM »
This is true, though it did lead me to the story of Casanova's imprisonment and escape, which I didn't know about (I know nothing about Casanova.)

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« Reply #4714 on: April 18, 2020, 04:22:49 AM »
You guys are wasting too much time analyzing a piece of shit.
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