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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #400 on: March 16, 2009, 10:25:39 AM »
I can accept that!

Orwellian language alert: the Catholic diocese of Cleveland announced the closing of over 10% of its parishes, and called the event "an occasion for joy" because it would lead to a better diocese.   :o

The real reason for joy, 10% fewer child molesters.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #401 on: March 16, 2009, 10:29:59 AM »
Not a grammar grumble, per se, but . . .

One makes allowances for typos, no problem.  But when it's in the subject header, so that as the thread generates replies . . . and you see forty iterations of accesible and muscial . . . .

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #402 on: March 16, 2009, 10:49:26 AM »
The real reason for joy, 10% fewer child molesters.


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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #403 on: March 16, 2009, 11:07:44 AM »
Karl: I keep hoping one of the moderators will fix those problems!

*[waves magic wand]*

Voila!

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #404 on: March 16, 2009, 11:10:28 AM »
O thrice-worthy waver of the wand!  ;D

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble: LESS is not FEWER!!!
« Reply #405 on: March 16, 2009, 04:54:13 PM »
Okay, I just saw an ad about some so-called "energy drink" (Orwellian Language Alert: Energy Drink = Sugar Water) with "Less Calories."

AARRGGGHHH!

If you cannot count it singly, you want "less."  e.g. This puddle has less mud than that one.

vs.

This drink has fewer calories than that one.  The drink therefore must have less energy than that one.

This distinction is mangled daily by all sorts of people, with politicians being the worst offenders: "Less taxes for the bottom 95%!"

(Believe that, and then see me for a great deal on land in Nova Scotia!)   8)

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #406 on: March 16, 2009, 04:56:02 PM »
Yeah, that's a tricky one sometimes.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #407 on: March 16, 2009, 06:22:22 PM »
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble: LESS is not FEWER!!!
« Reply #408 on: March 16, 2009, 11:18:08 PM »
Okay, I just saw an ad about some so-called "energy drink" (Orwellian Language Alert: Energy Drink = Sugar Water) with "Less Calories."

AARRGGGHHH!

If you cannot count it singly, you want "less."  e.g. This puddle has less mud than that one.

vs.

This drink has fewer calories than that one.  The drink therefore must have less energy than that one.

This distinction is mangled daily by all sorts of people, with politicians being the worst offenders: "Less taxes for the bottom 95%!"
(Believe that, and then see me for a great deal on land in Nova Scotia!)   8)

(Grumble (Morons!) grumble grumble!)

Could you clarify here? I assume you mean the politician should say, 'Less tax...' rather than, 'Fewer taxes....' The latter has an altogether different meaning.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble: LESS is not FEWER!!!
« Reply #409 on: March 17, 2009, 04:05:20 AM »
Could you clarify here? I assume you mean the politician should say, 'Less tax...' rather than, 'Fewer taxes....' The latter has an altogether different meaning.

Mike

It is the politician (a local one) who needs to clarify, because you are quite right!  Either he is guilty of incompetence, or deliberate obfuscation.

 
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #410 on: March 17, 2009, 04:51:56 AM »
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part."

 --- Claude Debussy

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #411 on: March 17, 2009, 05:11:21 AM »
dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1162384/EU-bans-use-Miss-Mrs-sportsmen-statesmen-claims-sexist

Our era is beyond satire!  We live in a satire!

Allow me to address a question on the other topic about English and double negatives.

Some are illiterate: "That won't do no good."   :o

But this is quite fine: "He is not inexperienced."  This allows one to say that the experience-level of the person is a slight step away from being "experienced."

"He is not unintelligent."   $:)
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #412 on: March 17, 2009, 05:25:39 AM »
Our era is beyond satire!  We live in a satire!

That is nothing, actually! The EU has regulations for the curvature of bananas and the length of flowers' stalks...
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #413 on: March 17, 2009, 05:26:37 AM »
Newspeak alert!  :o
Neither the titles nor their use is sexist.  Sexism is an attitude, these days apparent in those who deny real differences between genders just as much as in those who imagine false differences, and the essence of which is prejudging individuals as embodiments of stereotypical attributes of various classes (in this case, gender) to which they may belong, i.e. female, blonde, tattooed, gum-chewing, high-heeled, bejeweled, Hispanic, attorney.
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble: 20-somethings! Oy!
« Reply #414 on: March 18, 2009, 06:37:28 AM »
Neither the titles nor their use is sexist.  Sexism is an attitude, these days apparent in those who deny real differences between genders just as much as in those who imagine false differences, and the essence of which is prejudging individuals as embodiments of stereotypical attributes of various classes (in this case, gender) to which they may belong, i.e. female, blonde, tattooed, gum-chewing, high-heeled, bejeweled, Hispanic, attorney.

Amen!   0:)

And speaking of saints...

Every day our 20-something principal   ???   reads a mini-biography of a saint over the P.A.  (I politely term many of these hagiographical exercises "pious fictions."   0:)  )

The man means well, but...

Today he reads the students a life of "Saint Sy Rule."

Sy might rule until his wife Esther comes back home.  Otherwise...

There is no such saint in Heaven or elsewhere, but listed among The Elect might be a certain Saint Cyril of Alexandria.

Oy!  More evidence why nobody under 35 should be allowed to become a principal.
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #415 on: March 18, 2009, 06:53:01 AM »
A twenty-something principal?  Good God!  He must have started teaching at puberty to have gained the classroom experience qualifying him for the position.  Or maybe he's effing brilliant (although Saint Sy Rule suggests otherwise)...?

Hmmm...young, inexperienced, not brilliant (but not un-intelligent, either), and has good intentions...what next?  President?  (Or would the almost-real-world administrative experience in his present job make him overqualified for the position?)
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #416 on: March 18, 2009, 08:35:32 AM »
A twenty-something principal?  Good God!  He must have started teaching at puberty to have gained the classroom experience qualifying him for the position.  Or maybe he's effing brilliant (although Saint Sy Rule suggests otherwise)...?

Hmmm...young, inexperienced, not brilliant (but not un-intelligent, either), and has good intentions...what next?  President?  (Or would the almost-real-world administrative experience in his present job make him overqualified for the position?)

The danger of a democracy is that it receives the government it deserves. 
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #417 on: March 18, 2009, 08:41:16 AM »
The danger of a democracy is that it receives the government it deserves. 
A sense of humor is essential if we are not to go mad.  And a sense that life is about personal spiritual growth--rather than progressive secular perfection--is essential if we are not to be mad (as in red-faced perpetually pissed-off apoplectically angry!--which, of course, is a form of madness in both senses of the word).
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #418 on: March 18, 2009, 10:01:01 AM »
That is nothing, actually! The EU has regulations for the curvature of bananas and the length of flowers' stalks...

Most of these infamous bonkers Euro-regulations are made up by the Eurosceptic press to scare/wind up a gullible public that likes nothing more than a good harrumph. The banana one is such a myth.  ::)

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #419 on: March 18, 2009, 10:04:15 AM »
The danger end of a democracy is that when it receives the government it deserves. 

Fixed.  ;D
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