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« Reply #860 on: September 21, 2009, 12:54:03 PM »
I tend to avoid much character description. Not that I make a point of it.

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« Reply #861 on: September 23, 2009, 06:22:31 AM »
lapidarianation?

I'm used to seeing lapidary with wit, metaphorically "cutting stones." Lapidarian would be more like engraved in stone. Not clear to me which you were after.
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My Random House Dictionary does not recognize "lapidarian."  I suppose you could coin the word, and it could also be used as a noun.

A "lapidary style" would mean a very exact and brilliant writing style, parallel therefore with cutting gemstones.

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« Reply #862 on: September 23, 2009, 06:27:22 AM »
A "lapidary style" would mean a very exact and brilliant writing style, parallel therefore with cutting gemstones.

Yeah, that's pretty much the idea I was going for.

I've been thinking further about this whole "show vs. tell" idea. I don't believe the need to show precludes any sort of straightforward description. What it means, I think, is that you want to be specific about a character's traits or feelings. You shouldn't, for example, simply say a guy is cruel. You should show an instance of the cruelty. Or if someone feels sad, you don't just say he felt sad. You show the depressed behavior. Someone, I forget who (but yeah, it was the New Yorker), said that when Woody Allen, in his movies, wants to let us know a character is cold and distant, he'll have another character say, "You're really cold and distant." It's a lazy way of writing. One the other hand, there's a brilliant moment in Shaw's Man and Superman where one of the characters observes that whenever Anne wants someone to do something, she ascribes her desires to someone else. Almost immedately, Anne reponds with something like, "Don't talk like that. You know Violet doesn't like it." I always thought telling, then showing, is kind of a cool thing. It shows, to my mind, the author has a strong grip on what the character is about.
 
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« Reply #863 on: September 23, 2009, 12:20:25 PM »
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You could have him bend over to enter the room and step on everyone's toes (or be careful of them). Then you don't have to mention height or shoe size.

I'd think a hunchback in clown shoes walked in if I weren't reading carefully, and if I were, I might think he bent over because he was in pain. Or weird! :D

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« Reply #864 on: September 23, 2009, 12:50:39 PM »
I'd think a hunchback in clown shoes walked in if I weren't reading carefully, and if I were, I might think he bent over because he was in pain. Or weird! :D

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #866 on: October 27, 2009, 09:26:54 AM »
Cato my good man, would you let me know what you think of this little matter:

"Given the recent press coverage, we would therefore like to be clear Rangers FC is neither operated or run by Lloyds Banking Group"

The little man inside my head feels it should be nor rather than or. Or is it an either/or thing?

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« Reply #867 on: October 27, 2009, 12:42:22 PM »
Cato my good man, would you let me know what you think of this little matter:

"Given the recent press coverage, we would therefore like to be clear Rangers FC is neither operated or run by Lloyds Banking Group"

The little man inside my head feels it should be nor rather than or. Or is it an either/or thing?
I'd say it's a neither/nor thing! ;D

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« Reply #869 on: October 28, 2009, 06:12:32 AM »
'Splain.

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« Reply #870 on: October 28, 2009, 06:13:26 AM »
Just as blue as I can be.

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« Reply #871 on: October 28, 2009, 06:14:09 AM »
Oh, I get it.  ::)

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #872 on: October 28, 2009, 09:44:07 AM »

"Given the recent press coverage, we would therefore like to be clear Rangers FC is neither operated or run by Lloyds Banking Group"

The little man inside my head feels it should be nor rather than or. Or is it an either/or thing?
There is also a 'tautology thing'. Given the word 'given', the word 'therefore' is redundant.

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« Reply #873 on: October 28, 2009, 09:45:59 AM »
Most inelegant.

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« Reply #874 on: October 28, 2009, 11:04:52 AM »
Anyone know any other cool lit sites?

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #875 on: October 28, 2009, 12:28:37 PM »
Anyone know any other cool lit sites?

I suppose you've already heard about Project Gutenberg and what a useful literary resource it is on the Internet? :)
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #876 on: October 28, 2009, 01:01:18 PM »
Cato my good man, would you let me know what you think of this little matter:

"Given the recent press coverage, we would therefore like to be clear Rangers FC is neither operated or run by Lloyds Banking Group"

The little man inside my head feels it should be nor rather than or. Or is it an either/or thing?

Yes, sorry for the late reply, but "nor" is what you want!

And it seems a colon is missing after the word "clear."

Yes, Project Gutenberg is one of the useful and positive aspects of the Internet.
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« Reply #877 on: October 28, 2009, 02:48:06 PM »
I suppose you've already heard about Project Gutenberg and what a useful literary resource it is on the Internet? :)

Indeed.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #878 on: October 29, 2009, 12:54:32 AM »
Not sure if this fits your category, but I use this a lot
www.etymonline.com
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Thanks. :) I have visited the site before but never bookmarked it. I won't make that mistake this time.

And here's another: http://www.phrases.org.uk
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