A composer for each period

Started by Mark, May 26, 2007, 08:52:28 AM

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Mark

Let's say you're asked to pick the composers who broadly represent each of the (generally agreed upon) periods in Western Art Music.

But you're only allowed one composer per period.

Who do you choose?

For me:

Renaissance - Palestrina
Baroque - Bach (JS)
Classical - Mozart
Romantic - Beethoven*
Modern - Shostakovich
Contemporary - Schoenburg

I wouldn't necessarily conclude that these composers are the representatives of each period. They're just the 'archetypes' that spring to mind for me, personally.




*Yes, I appreciate this one is technically inaccurate. But I see Beethoven as the birth of the Romantic period, and therefore its representative.

johnshade

#1
I'm not clear on the differece between modern and contemporary.

Baroque - Bach
Classical - Mozart
Romantic - Beethoven
20th Century 1 - Stravinsky
20th Century 2 - Strauss
20th Centruy 3 - Bartok
20th Century 4 - ?
The sun's a thief, and with her great attraction robs the vast sea, the moon's an arrant thief, and her pale fire she snatches from the sun  (Shakespeare)

Mark

As I understand it, 'Modern' runs from about 1910-1960, and 'Contemporary' is from 1960 onwards.

A generalisation, obviously. :)

Bonehelm

Can we split Romantic into Early and Late?

Middle Ages: Hildegard von Bingen
Renaissance: I don't care
Baroque: Bach
Classical: Mozart
Early Romantic: Beethoven
Late Romantic: Mahler
20th Century: Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Webern, whatever

Wendell_E

Quote from: Mark on May 26, 2007, 09:00:09 AM
As I understand it, 'Modern' runs from about 1910-1960, and 'Contemporary' is from 1960 onwards.

A generalisation, obviously. :)

You do realize Schoenberg died in 1951, while Shostakovich wrote quite a bit of music after 1960?

Renaissance - Don't care
Baroque - Bach (JS)
Classical - Mozart
Romantic - Berlioz
Modern - Berg
Contemporary - Carter

Bonehelm

Quote from: Wendell_E on May 26, 2007, 09:31:08 AM
You do realize Schoenberg died in 1951, while Shostakovich wrote quite a bit of music after 1960?

Renaissance - Don't care
Baroque - Bach (JS)
Classical - Mozart
Romantic - Berlioz
Modern - Berg
Contemporary - Carter

Wheres the love for LvB?  :( :(

longears

Renaissance - Dowland
Baroque - Bach (JS)
Classical - Haydn
Romantic - Berlioz
Modern - Stravinsky
Contemporary - Adams

Mark

Quote from: Wendell_E on May 26, 2007, 09:31:08 AM
You do realize Schoenberg died in 1951 ...

Actually, I didn't know that. But as I said, I'm not saying my representatives are the representatives. :)

George


Renaissance - Josquin
Baroque - Bach (JS)
Classical - Mozart
Romantic - Brahms
Modern - Schoenberg
Contemporary - Part

longears

Quote from: johnshade on May 26, 2007, 08:58:28 AM
I'm not clear on the differece between modern and contemporary.

In the arts, "modern" refers to that movement of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries during which the artist became a cultural hero lionized in proportion to his success in shattering and remaking traditional forms.  The aesthetic was generally direct, economical, theoretical, individualistic, and highly influenced by the materials, technologies, and social changes wrought by industrialization...often fueled by a new faith in man as the measure of all things and the promise of a technological Utopia just around the bend.

Contemporary, on the other hand, means present day.

Mark

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Here's the timeline I was using:


As to why Schoenberg under 'Contemporary', I think I hear his influence the most in works by later composers like Lutoslawski or Penderecki, both of whom I consider (rightly or wrongly) as contemporary.

BachQ

BAROQUE - Bach/Handel
CLASSICAL - Haydn/Mozart
CLASSICO-ROMANTIC - Schubert/Beethoven
ROMANTIC - Wagner/Brahms/Mahler/Tchaikovsky
MODERN - Schoenberg/Stravinsky/Shostakovich/Bartok
CONTEMPORARY - Ligeti/Schnittke/Xenakis/Carter

Mystery

Renaissance - Palestrina
Baroque - Bach
Classical - Mozart
Romantic - Brahms
Modern - Stravinsky/Schoenberg/Debussy


Mystery

Quote from: johnshade on May 26, 2007, 08:58:28 AM

Post Modern - Bartok

I don't get this postmodernism malarky - want to help me out here? How can anything be postmodern if modern is by nature be now? As you may have seen in some of my other posts, I have exams soon and one of them is twentieth century, part of it perhaps mentioning postmodernism but not sure I've quite grasped it :-S

Mozart

Renaissance: Palestrina
Baroque: Vivaldi
Classical: Mozart(is there any others?)
Early Romantic: Beethoven
Late Romantic: Brahms

aquablob

Renaissance -- Palestrina, Monteverdi, or Gesualdo (the wife-murderer)
Baroque -- Bach
"Early" Classical -- Haydn or Mozart
"Late" Classical -- Beethoven
Early Romantic -- Schubert, Schumann, or Chopin
Late Romantic -- Debussy
20th Century -- Prokofiev or Shostakovich

This is silly!

greg

Baroque- Bach
Classical- Paganini
Early Romantic- Brahms
Late Romantic- Mahler
Early 20th Century- Prokofiev
Modern- Penderecki/Xenakis (hard to decide)

johnshade

Quote from: Mystery on May 26, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
I don't get this postmodernism malarky

I don't get it either. After reading about postmodernism online, I have changed the designation of Bartok.

JS
The sun's a thief, and with her great attraction robs the vast sea, the moon's an arrant thief, and her pale fire she snatches from the sun  (Shakespeare)

Sergeant Rock

Once again, sigh, I must point out that Beethoven's music is not Romantic but thoroughly Classical. His music is the culmination of the Classical Style. Mozart/Haydn/Beethoven...the Trinity of Classical Music.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

George

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 26, 2007, 01:33:24 PM
Once again, sigh, I must point out that Beethoven's music is not Romantic but thoroughly Classical. His music is the culmination of the Classical Style. Mozart/Haydn/Beethoven...the Trinity of Classical Music.

Sarge

I couldn't agree more, Sarge.  :)