Started by Sean, February 22, 2009, 03:13:18 PM
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 22, 2009, 05:40:35 PMSean, you do understand that Leif here is no microcosm of composition, today, generally?
Quote from: Sean on February 22, 2009, 05:53:33 PMYou'd be surprised what I do understand, and what I don't.
Quote from: snyprrr on February 22, 2009, 09:31:50 PMi recently got the old bis recording of the string quartet No.6, which i believe, was his first composition in the "free-pulsative" style that has become his...thing. lief and mrs. segerstam, i believe, play the violins.SEGERSTAM String quartet No.6 (1974):I free-pulsatively 12,46II free-pulsatively 11,12III con moto 7,22IV adagissimo con spirito di gustav mahler 12,08i really didn't know quite what to expect (i used to have a few of the syms), but i knew it was gonna be kinda improvisatory. well, it kinda reminded me of death in venice, very mahlerian/romantic "conservative" material put through some post bergian molasses...ummm....kind of like four musicians "jamming" to late romantic melodic fragments.don't get me wrong, there's really not much here. it's got the length of bloch's first great, inspired quartet, but has the more anonymous melodic curves of bloch's later chamber music.the piece goes through 44min and four movements, and when you don't think you can stand any more 1974 sub mahler revival, the last movement, starts as a nice mahlerian funeral dirge-and then!- out of no where,!!-the tragic low bass chord on a waiting piano comes crashing down, slowing interjecting as the movement dies away.so, i gotta give it to him for his little surprise ending. now, i hated this piece as soon as i heard it, and what's worse is that it's been talking to me lately nd saying, "but you NEED an example of what was happening in the early 70s just to keep things in perspective." nothing sounds quite as depressing as improvised mahler jams from the 70s. so i was actually disappointed that the wild spacey stuff was missing here. i mean it really sounds like regular music, with notes, but you can tell that it's being "communed". i was actually happy about not thinking about segerstam before i saw this post,haha.ok, the next rainy "allan pettersson" day, i'll try it again. either way, i'm leaning towards masterpiece......? i could almost bear to hear the seventh....soon after that though the quartets multiply exponentially just like the symphonies.masterpiece i say
Quote from: snyprrr on February 22, 2009, 09:31:50 PM....well, it kinda reminded me of death in venice, very mahlerian/romantic "conservative" material put through some post bergian molasses...ummm....kind of like four musicians "jamming" to late romantic melodic fragments.
Quote from: Cato on February 22, 2009, 05:37:04 PM $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) Leif! Leif Segerstam! We have you surrounded!!! $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) Put down the pen and the music paper, and come out with your batons up! $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:) $:)
Quote from: Guido on February 23, 2009, 04:54:05 PMWhy does he bother with writing that many? Especially when they're all such anonymous, dull wank? It's clear that he expends a lot of effort on them, so why not focus that effort to try and create something original, concentrated and good as opposed to reams and reams and reams of wank? Someone should ask him.
Quote from: Guido on February 23, 2009, 04:57:23 PMAlso Sean... I think the reason that there seems to be a disproportionate amount obscurity praising is that the obscure stuff that we all hear that isn't so good just doesn't get mentioned. Unless something is really bad, it isn't fun to recount the dullness or unispiredness of some mediocrity or other.
Quote from: drogulus on February 24, 2009, 02:11:25 PM I don't see it that way. Composers are as original as they can be, for the most part. And I'm not sure that a composer's output is more original if it's more "concentrated". And there are a few composers who don't try to be original as others might see it, because what they are hearing in their head isn't evaluated that way. They want to do that, however unoriginal someone else might think it is.
Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 04:51:05 PMBut what I'm saying is that if he "only" wrote 50 and spent 5 times the effort on each he would no doubt have a much more satisfying body of works, no? Original only in terms of finding the most personal form of self expression rather than just whatever crap comes into his head. His pieces sound exactly as you'd imagine they would. There's something really grotesque to me about writing this many symphonies.
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